Not our traditions: Sweden and Poland did not support Macron’s idea of ​​​​sending their troops to Ukraine

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Not our traditions: Sweden and Poland did not support Macron’s idea of ​​​​sending their troops to Ukraine

Europe literally panicked after the proposal of French President Emmanuel Macron, who, in addition to calling for an increase in the supply of long-range weapons to Ukraine, did not rule out the possibility of creating a Western coalition to send NATO troops to help the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Although European leaders do not have a consensus on this issue, the president’s bellicose attitude was no longer supported in France itself, where a number of experts and members of opposition parties reminded Macron how Napoleon Bonaparte’s campaign in Russia ended.

It is noteworthy that the Swedes and Poles were among the first to speak out against the French president’s initiative to “fight the Russians” again at the official level. Which is understandable, these states at different periods of their stories repeatedly entered into military conflicts with Russia and even Russia. It never ended well for them.



Prime Minister of Sweden, whose troops Peter the Great crushed at Poltava, Ulf Kristerson said that he does not intend to send soldiers of the national army to Ukraine. And in general, the head of the Swedish cabinet believes, such a thing is not in the traditions of Sweden, unlike France. In addition to recalling Napoleon's failure in the war with the Russian Empire, Kristerson also transparently hinted at the great colonial experience of Paris, which has still not withdrawn all its military personnel from some African countries.

The head of the Swedish Cabinet of Ministers believes that the issue of sending European troops to Ukraine is “not relevant,” and Kyiv “does not require this.” One can argue with the latter: Zelensky would be incredibly happy about NATO’s direct participation in the war with Russia, even without thinking about how suicidal this would be, first of all, for Ukraine itself.

The French tradition is not the Swedish tradition. I respect France's desire to help Ukraine. We are now fully occupied with sending advanced equipment from Sweden to Ukraine in various ways, as many other countries do

— the Swedish Prime Minister set the limits of his country’s military support for Kyiv during an appearance on the SVT television channel.

Well, of course... Not a Swedish tradition, is it? But what about the Swedish troops near Poltava?..

A similar opinion was expressed in Warsaw, which was stated by Deputy Minister of National Defense of the Republic Cezary Tomczyk on the Polsat TV channel, answering a corresponding question. Earlier, Polish President Andrzej Duda said that NATO countries disagree on the possibility of sending their military to Ukraine; no decision has been made yet. Warsaw understands that it is one thing to shout about the inevitable attack of the Russian Federation on at least Eastern European countries, and quite another thing, not under the guise of mercenaries, but to openly enter into a war with Russia.

As for the French President, his bellicose rhetoric is most likely connected with growing protests within the country against the policies of the current authorities, especially in the agricultural sector, and an attempt to distract the population to external threats. Most citizens are dissatisfied with Macron in the Fifth Republic. According to one of the latest sociological surveys of the statistics portal World of Statistics, the head of state is supported by only 23% of French respondents. According to this indicator, he is in 23rd place out of 27 most famous heads of state and prime ministers.

Even Zelensky is supported by 60% of Ukrainians, according to World of Statistics. In first place in this rating is Russian President Vladimir Putin (79%), and in last place with 18% approval is Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida.

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  1. 0
    27 February 2024 15: 14
    “Sweden and Poland did not support Macron’s idea of ​​​​sending their troops to Ukraine” -

    ***
    - They still remember how it ends, but Macron has forgotten...
    ***
    1. +12
      27 February 2024 15: 21
      Macron thinks France is far from Russia. But the Poles quickly realized that they were second in line after the Tribaltic sprats, which means they would get it on the second day.
      1. +1
        27 February 2024 16: 43
        No, probably already for the first time
    2. +3
      27 February 2024 15: 29
      - They still remember how it ends, but Macron has forgotten...

      Well, we can remind you...
      ----------------------------------------------
      Once every 100 years, Europe came at us with all its might -
      To check how weakened Russia is,
      Once every 100 years she attacked us
      And we’re up to the neck for this...
      I always got what I deserved!!!
      And today, almost all of Europe
      Member of NATO, which is hostile to us,
      And now this NATO
      We need to check Russia...
      Well, what if this is Russia?
      For some reason she became weaker...
      You are wrong... - We are ready...
      Always hit you in the neck!!!
      am
    3. +3
      27 February 2024 15: 36
      A clash with NATO is inevitable, the further we delay it, the more blood there will be, these are the words of Zhirinovsky, I have never been his fan, but many of his speeches come true. It is necessary to understand that the West will never reconcile with Russia, only the fear and anger of a mangy dog ​​driven into a kennel will force them to live next to Russia relatively peacefully.
      1. -2
        27 February 2024 20: 02
        Quote from Silver99
        It is necessary to understand that the West will never reconcile with Russia,

        They will never reconcile themselves with an independent, strong Russia. They will live in peace with a colony that has no interests of its own and provides income to the shareholders of the Federal Reserve System. And also - in Russia only Jews can be oligarchs - Berezovsky, Abel, Abramovich, Friedman are examples of this. The world of capital belongs to the Rockefellers, Rothschilds... and any war brings them super profit. hi
  2. +4
    27 February 2024 15: 18
    Well, timid, then confident, arms supplies began in the same way. Let me remind you of one example: Germany was afraid to even send helmets with armor plates. Then the countries of Europe became bolder and began supplying the so-called. non-lethal weapons and went as far as supplying air defense, tanks, and missiles. I think either NATO will officially enter Ukraine, or the troops of some coalition of NATO countries will go not under its auspices.
    1. Msi
      +2
      27 February 2024 15: 26
      I think either NATO will officially enter Ukraine

      Oh, these blue dreams of Ukrainians... lol where will they go? "collect" nuclear mushrooms? We need to pump up the topic of a nuclear pre-emptive strike more, then they will definitely start squealing...
      1. +2
        27 February 2024 18: 40
        Quote from Msi
        nuclear mushrooms "collect"

        I think that for starters, our people will be happy to attack logistics centers and reconnaissance aircraft.
      2. -1
        27 February 2024 18: 52
        Where to collect mushrooms? What mushrooms? We are afraid to fly/enter in neutral, we send the mercenaries home without noise and dust.
    2. +2
      27 February 2024 15: 38
      Yes, you are right, Poland itself does not hide the fact that every step is incremental after the lack of reaction from Russia in relation to the West.
      1. +3
        27 February 2024 18: 41
        Quote from Silver99
        after the lack of reaction from Russia towards the West

        What should be the reaction so that there are no incremental steps?
      2. -3
        27 February 2024 18: 50
        Yes, but there are still people who hope for nuclear weapons/TNW. Who would have thought that we would start the SVO? Who would have thought that our cities were under attack from NATO missiles? Who would have thought that the Black Sea Fleet would actually flee from Crimea? And now there are dreamers who think that NATO will not follow its line? We allowed them too much, we missed too much for them to take our red lines seriously. They simply either laugh in the faces of our diplomats or simply ignore them. Our Foreign Ministry should have practiced eloquence with opponents 10 years ago, and not given diplomatic, almost apologetic interviews.
        1. +2
          27 February 2024 20: 08
          Quote: Fatalist
          And now there are dreamers who think NATO will not follow through

          So far, I see a dreamer who believes that NATO will definitely start a war and will put pressure on Russia.

          Quote: Fatalist
          they missed too much that they took our red lines seriously. They either simply laugh in the faces of our diplomats or simply ignore them

          Yes, in fact, from our side the situation is symmetrical - we put a bolt on their “red lines”, ignore their diplomats and laugh in their faces.
          And the funny thing is that on the other side they also moan and even at times become hysterical that Russia has lost fear and respect, does not value the West and its wishes, does what it wants and brazenly destroys the rules-based world order.

          Quote: Fatalist
          Our Foreign Ministry should have practiced eloquence with opponents about 10 years ago

          In fact, absolutely any Foreign Ministry’s job is to practice eloquence. This is what all diplomats do. The only exception is the head of European diplomacy, Josep (not my fault - that’s his name) Borrell. But, strictly speaking, he is not a diplomat, but the High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy as part of some European Commission von der Leyen.
          1. -1
            27 February 2024 21: 16
            You should read more carefully before speaking in slogans again.) You are outright lying: I am not a dreamer who expects NATO to crush us. It’s written that NATO will push its line and start a war with the Russian Federation. Regardless of our “lines.” For we have made a lot of goodwill gestures. And now all hope really lies in nuclear weapons. Because the size of the army does not correspond to the threats on the perimeter. The VKS are inferior to NATO in terms of calls. factor of. Do you really think that after everything that has been done in and around Ukraine, NATO will simply say take it? Even what is happening now SVO_ is a direct consequence of our next gesture of goodwill, when we didn’t put the squeeze on in 14. And believe me, in the West there is a manic confidence that we will not be the first to use nuclear weapons or tactical nuclear weapons. And our leadership convinced them of this with their friendly concessions everywhere. This is clear. Well, I don’t think it’s necessary to comment on the rest of your speech, because it’s from the category: but we, but we have wow.
            1. 0
              27 February 2024 21: 28
              Quote: Fatalist
              NATO will push its line and start a war with the Russian Federation

              Why will he start a war with Russia? To ̶p̶r̶o̶s̶r̶a̶... lose it or, nevertheless, in the hope of winning with all the ensuing consequences?

              Quote: Fatalist
              and I don’t consider it necessary to comment on the rest of your speech, because it’s from the category: and we, but we have wow

              You spoke as if your speech was about how bad everything is with us, but with them it was so meaningful.
              1. 0
                27 February 2024 22: 09
                He will start a war so that he can “see Russia the way” the Nulands wanted. No one, anywhere is thinking of starting a nuclear war, remember once and for all. Their expectations: a strike on Kaliningrad, put the squeeze on Transnistria, and launch massive missile strikes on all strategic targets to neutralize the Political Command and the Armed Forces. I hope that at least our people will have enough confidence to press start on everything. Colleague, you can prove something to me until you’re blue in the face (I hope you at least believe in what you’re saying), but the question is blunt: either we or us. Neocons and leftists did not build strategic plans for 40 years (with our full connivance) so that now they could simply admit defeat.
                1. 0
                  28 February 2024 10: 03
                  Quote: Fatalist
                  Their expectations: a strike on Kaliningrad, put the squeeze on Transnistria, launch massive missile strikes on all strategic targets to neutralize the Political Administration and the Armed Forces

                  In other words: you think that their task is to start and win a war with Russia, which will be nuclear-free, because... Why, by the way? And what stopped them from starting this war two years ago or even ten?
                  But, in general, I see that they are reporting to you about the plans of leftists and neocons directly from the Joint Staff Committee.
  3. +2
    27 February 2024 15: 18
    Macorona is suspected by everyone in Europe. These are Western values ​​- “pride parades”, please, but fight with Russia, let the “prides” fight.
  4. old
    +2
    27 February 2024 15: 19
    The eventual enemy turns into a real one.

    The US Army's Combined Arms Center has published a 280-page report on the Russian military. The document is called “Russian Tactics”, it is devoted to the “tactics, organization and actions of the armed forces” of Russia. Its publication is accompanied by the phrase “Do you know your enemy?”

    At the same time, according to Western so-called military analysts, Russia will continue efforts to strengthen its international position as an adversary of the United States, NATO and the liberal international system. To achieve this, the Russian authorities intend, in particular, “to establish strategic partnerships in regions of the world where the United States lacks a strong position, as well as to provide political, economic and military support to countries friendly to Russia.

    It is no secret that the West, by manipulating the information environment, is trying to present Russia to the world community as an aggressor.

    In addition, as soon as the Ukrainian Armed Forces began to conduct “successful” military operations, advancing with their backs to Russian troops, the rhetoric in NATO became even more radical. A number of European politicians have made statements indicating their intentions not to send troops to Ukraine, or about achieving some kind of consensus on this issue. Here it should be understood that there is no smoke without fire. The alliance is ready to send military forces to Ukraine, and the Steadfast Defender 2024 exercise is being conducted to cover NATO military preparations against Russia.

    Previously, we considered the likely scenario for the development of events in the Western theater of operations, which in key points correlates with the NATO combat plan published in Western sources.

    In particular, NATO will be ready to launch a first strike against Russia (defensive, of course), mobilizing a huge number of troops and equipment under the guise of large-scale exercises. Then, after a massive cyber attack, with the help of the WTO, the system of state and military control is suppressed, and nuclear weapons warehouses in the western part of Russia are damaged. The next phase will be the application of MRAUs to critical facilities, air bases, and air defense systems. Further, during the ground part of the operation, the ground group will begin an invasion of Belarus.

    At the end, the cherry on the cake is the statement of the so-called. experts: “The war will last only a few hours, but the number of casualties will be enormous, perhaps millions on both sides. Russia is the biggest threat to NATO's global dominance."

    Thus, NATO does not hide its intentions, openly calling us an enemy and preparing for a full-scale war.

    Pavel Kovalev (BelVPO)
    1. +2
      27 February 2024 15: 47
      Let's start with the first point, cyber attack. Our strategic forces have nothing to do with cyber space. Neither the submarine fleet, nor the silo installations, nor the missile carriers. There is no Internet connection there. The notification goes through other channels, and they are duplicated. So NATO can bring in as many soldiers and tanks as possible, it won’t help. There will be a nuclear war.....but about how many victims there will be, and whether it is even possible to live in London and Washington after everything is the question....
    2. +2
      27 February 2024 16: 03
      Pavel Kovalev from BelPVO also wants to eat, and the NKVD Finnish products sell poorly if you don’t pump it up. But at the same time, Pavel Kovalev doesn’t really want to think with his head in order to come up with something plausible.

      In turn, there are people who cannot subject his reasoning to critical reflection and drag it all to other sites in order to disperse the riot.

      Now to the essence of the question: what is the result of the proposed strike on Russia? In Europe and most likely North America, there is a mass extinction of the population, radioactive contamination of soil, fresh water, and fertile lands. Europe and the states are ceasing to be economically prosperous states and are trying to survive in new conditions.

      China, which has been standing on the sidelines all this time, is taking under its wing the territories of Siberia and the Far East that remained virtually unharmed, because they were practically uninhabited, while the Europeans are pupating after an oncoming nuclear strike and are trying to figure out who is alive and who glows in the dark. And since his main opponents were either destroyed or suffered greatly, he automatically becomes the head of the surviving humanity.

      Is this really NATO's plan? Or has China already bought them all?
  5. 0
    27 February 2024 15: 20
    It’s very nice how the Czechs treat their head of state; relations between peoples are absolutely not identical to the relations between the ruling elites of these peoples
  6. +1
    27 February 2024 15: 23
    You don't have to believe them. They can say whatever they want. It was in vain that the exercises were carried out against us.
  7. +4
    27 February 2024 15: 24
    Why do the Poles make girls out of themselves? In the last two years in Poland, funeral companies have started to “chop the cabbage” and all the middle-aged men have been buried. Maybe they've started to get wiser? Although unlikely. Not the contingent who are friends with brains. sad
  8. +3
    27 February 2024 15: 26
    Europe literally panicked after the proposal of French President Emmanuel Macron, who, in addition to calling for an increase in the supply of long-range weapons to Ukraine, did not rule out the possibility of creating a Western coalition to send NATO troops to help the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    And there is something to panic about. Russia automatically has a free hand to use the entire available arsenal of weapons....
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  10. 0
    27 February 2024 15: 31
    It is strange that Viktor Orban is not in this ranking. I thought that in Hungary the majority was for him...
  11. -1
    27 February 2024 15: 35
    Czech Prime Minister Fiala is in last place, which is good news. It would be interesting to also look at the rating of the Czech President PePa.
  12. +1
    27 February 2024 15: 36
    This is not a royal matter. Let the long-haired slaves die in the trenches. Their royal lords and majesties are interested in their subjects making money, and not perishing all at once in the Zaporozhye steppes.
  13. +4
    27 February 2024 15: 40
    Macron raffole des "coalitions" il en voulait une contre le Hamas (avant de vite dire son contraire) il en veut maintenant une contre la Russie ...c'est normal Macron adore faire parti d'une coalition surtout à l'Élysée. ..:-) [media=http://https://resize.elle.fr/article_webp/var/plain_site/storage/images/people/la-vie-des-people/news/la-fete-de- la-musique -al-elysee-les-incroyables-photos-d-emmanuel-et-brigitte-macron-qui-font-la-fete/88009193-1-fre-FR/La-fete-de-la-musique- al-Elysee -les-incroyables-photos-d-Emmanuel-et-Brigitte-Macron-qui-font-la-fete.jpg]


    Macron is delighted with "coalitions", he wanted one against Hamas (before quickly declaring otherwise), now he wants one against Russia...that's normal Macron loves being part of a coalition, especially in the Elysee Palace...:-)
    https://resize.elle.fr/article_webp/var/plain_site/storage/images/people/la-vie-des-people/news/la-fete-de-la-musique-a-l-elysee-les-incroyables-photos-d-emmanuel-et-brigitte-macron-qui-font-la-fete/88009193-1-fre-FR/La-fete-de-la-musique-a-l-Elysee-les-incroyables-photos-d-Emmanuel-et-Brigitte-Macron-qui-font-la-fete.jpg
  14. 0
    27 February 2024 15: 43
    Not our traditions: Sweden and Poland did not support Macron’s idea of ​​​​sending their troops to Ukraine
    . Not traditions, ha, ha, but they don’t want to get kicked on the horns anymore, that’s all they have now.
  15. +2
    27 February 2024 16: 22
    The main job of a rooster is to crow, and then at least it’s not dawn. And it doesn’t matter if it’s a Gallic rooster or a Hamburg rooster. Macron doesn’t care: he won’t go to war, and his children, whom, if I’m not mistaken, he doesn’t have, won’t go either.
  16. +2
    27 February 2024 16: 49
    Macarona needs to remember its history. The Berezina River is for the French what Stalingrad is for the Germans.
    After the defeat of the French on the Berezina, the very name of the river became significant for them, and the mention of it became a real tragedy or disaster.
  17. 0
    27 February 2024 17: 41
    It seems that these were the fantasies of Macron alone.
  18. -1
    27 February 2024 17: 52
    Macron is bluffing. Europeans are still afraid to even send fighters and long-range missiles, let alone about the flow of coffins of their soldiers and a potential nuclear conflict.
  19. 0
    27 February 2024 17: 58
    That they all call on each other and call on each other, let Macron send and set an example
  20. +1
    27 February 2024 18: 09
    I think the West expected that a hungry Europe would rush at Russia after the latter introduced countermeasures

    But the Russian Federation continues to trade and is open to negotiations, and the architects of the decline in the quality of life of the European citizen are not sitting in the Kremlin, but in the capitals of European states.

    And now these clown European rulers seriously believe that their people, whose interests they betrayed for Western banknotes, will also go to die for Bendero scum, but no, Europeans are not Ukrainians, it’s easier for them to put characters like Macron on pitchforks than their husbands and sons send to war for other people's interests
  21. +2
    27 February 2024 19: 14
    Not our traditions: Sweden and Poland did not support Macron’s idea of ​​​​sending their troops to Ukraine

    These are the times. But from the pages of VO it is not clear that the Poles are asleep and see how to capture western Ukraine.
    1. +2
      27 February 2024 20: 14
      Quote from solar
      Poles sleep and see how to capture western Ukraine

      It’s all like this - they sleep and see in their dreams how they can grab Kresy in the first place, but only in such a way that they don’t get killed. It works out in a dream, but not so much in reality.
      By the way, at the very beginning of the war, the Poles tried to send a little bit of their money to Ukraine, but the American owner said that there was no problem, but at his own peril and risk - in which case neither America nor NATO would join the Poles. After which the idea died out and never came up again.
  22. 0
    27 February 2024 22: 15
    Not our traditions: Sweden and Poland did not support Macron’s idea of ​​​​sending their troops to Ukraine

    If even the main Russophobes did not support Macron in his Russophobic call.
  23. 0
    28 February 2024 19: 46
    By the way.....Makaron apparently doesn’t “know” that the bastards in Russia raked in the same place - Borodino TWICE!!! When, during Napoleon’s time and, later, during Hitler’s invasion (yes, the bastards, like prostitutes, were part of his troops)
    1. -2
      28 February 2024 22: 57
      Did Napoleon lose at Borodino? What a news. But they retreated and surrendered Moscow, apparently to celebrate the great victory.