It is futile to maintain the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ defense in Orlovka and Tonenky even due to the terrain

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It is futile to maintain the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ defense in Orlovka and Tonenky even due to the terrain

The Ukrainian army, whose units were tasked by the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Syrsky, to hold Orlovka, left regular positions above the approaches to this village. The distance between the forward detachments of the Russian Armed Forces and the eastern outskirts of Orlovka is shrinking literally every hour.

Military experts, analyzing the situation in this direction, note that neither Orlovka nor Tonenkoye, through which the so-called second line of Ukrainian defense to the west of Avdiivka passes, are suitable for conducting long-term defensive battles. The main reason is that these settlements are located in lowlands relative to the territories from which the Russian army is attacking. The terrain alone will not allow the enemy to organize a powerful defense.



For example: the height difference from the Avdeevsky coke plant to the central part of Orlovka is about 90 meters. Moreover, to the north of the 3rd Michurinsky Pond, to which Russian troops have already reached, there is actually the last “height” in this direction. It’s difficult to call this area high, but the positions of Ukrainian troops are even lower

Height distribution on the map:



This is how Ukrainian media depict the situation at the front:



The enemy already admits that the territory adjacent to the 3rd Michurinsky Pond has come under the control of the RF Armed Forces, although just an hour or two ago the RF Armed Forces had only just reached the pond. That is, using, among other things, the terrain, our troops are moving west on the flank of the previously liberated Avdeevka.

In such a situation, the Ukrainian Armed Forces may begin to build defenses at heights located west of the Karlovskoye Reservoir. And this means a retreat another 14-16 km to the west.
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  1. +7
    26 February 2024 21: 36
    It is futile to maintain the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ defense in Orlovka and Tonenky even due to the terrain

    And judging by the names, it’s even more unpromising... Orlovka... Thin... Well, these are purely Russian names!!! There are not even dozens of these in Russia... Hundreds!!!
    1. +7
      26 February 2024 21: 46
      Quote: Lev_Russia
      It is futile to maintain the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ defense in Orlovka and Tonenky even due to the terrain

      How so, since Sirsky swore. what prepared a second line of defense similar to the “Surovikin line”?
      1. 0
        26 February 2024 22: 52
        Quote: LIONnvrsk
        How so, since Sirsky swore. what prepared a second line of defense similar to the “Surovikin line”?

        And to whom did Syrsky swear, Zelensky, or God? Although his god is different now.
        1. 0
          27 February 2024 18: 22
          If Zelensky is a Jew, then to God winked
    2. +4
      26 February 2024 21: 59
      Take it higher, Lviv was a Russian voivodeship within Poland.
      1. +19
        26 February 2024 22: 52
        Yes, Lvov may not even fucking NEED Russia, but Chernigov, Odessa, Nikolaev...and Kyiv, accordingly, cannot be left behind.

        In general, we still need passage to Kaliningrad.

        And I myself come from East Prussia. I would not mind restoring statehood within the Russian Federation.
        1. +7
          27 February 2024 01: 28
          Quote from JÜRGEN WEGNER
          Yes, Lvov may not even fucking NEED Russia, but Chernigov, Odessa, Nikolaev..

          Odessa, Nikolaev, and all the ports of the Black Sea are Russian ports that have never been Ukrainian. This is Russia, there were and there will be. This is the history of Russia.
  2. +7
    26 February 2024 21: 43
    It is futile to maintain the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ defense in Orlovka and Tonenky even due to the terrain

    Well, that's their problem. And as you know, Russians don’t care about dill problems.
    1. 0
      27 February 2024 16: 11
      So, in addition to the terrain of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the weather and bushes also interfere laughing hi
  3. +5
    26 February 2024 21: 45
    On this section of the front, after the fall of Aviika, the greatest progress was observed, and significant territorial successes were achieved.
  4. +6
    26 February 2024 22: 02
    The question now is: how long will Tonenkoye and Orlovka hold out under the onslaught of Russian troops? After all, fighting is already taking place inside these villages.
  5. +7
    26 February 2024 22: 09
    Let them not suffer, retreat straight to the Dnieper, the terrain there is suitable.
  6. 0
    26 February 2024 22: 15
    Quote: alystan
    The question now is: how long will Tonenkoye and Orlovka hold out under the onslaught of Russian troops? After all, fighting is already taking place inside these villages.


    They took Lastochkino in a week, and it will probably continue like this - a week for the village.
  7. -5
    26 February 2024 23: 03
    Our soldiers fight, honor and praise to them.
    But why were our generals, as always, unprepared for modern war?
    Now everyone understands that UAVs are a real discovery. That now any pimply user with a cheap drone is the owner of a high-precision weapon. Did at least one general from the Defense Ministry or General Staff foresee this? Yes, they laughed at this 3 years ago.
    If we have already started, then we need to stun the enemy with new weapons, new methods. And we went in tank columns, just like 80 years ago. And a million shells for the guns in the train.
    What do they teach them in academies? Anything but not think.
    Now, comrade generals, you have the only chance to redeem yourself - to come up with 146% protection from all enemy drones.
    1. 0
      26 February 2024 23: 46
      “...Comrade generals, the only chance you have to rehabilitate yourself is to come up with 146% protection from all enemy drones...” (c) A very deep remark. And what’s also interesting is that all the outstanding specialists in the field of economics, defense, medicine, pedagogy and agriculture are either taxi drivers or cooks, or are in a permanent state of looking for work? laughing
    2. 0
      27 February 2024 13: 49
      Let's be completely objective. Doesn't this apply to all other armies (generals) in the world? Or were the NATO armies, before our Northern Military District, full of different drones everywhere? Yes, there were large Bayraktar strikers or Reaper-type reconnaissance aircraft and that’s it... I don’t remember anything like that with small drones. They began to be used in combat sabotage not by regular armies, but by all sorts of militants in Syria and Iraq, using ordinary household quadcopters or similar aircraft models, attaching grenades to them.
      1. 0
        27 February 2024 14: 19
        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
        Doesn't this apply to all other armies (generals) in the world?

        No, it doesn't apply.
        Who expected the Wehrmacht to strike armored wedges and then encircle the enemy? Until we got too tired. Due to underestimating the enemy.
        Yugoslavia, Iraq - they leveled the landscape with planes for 2 weeks until they achieved their goal, and the infantry went to Iraq, and Milosevic went straight to the scaffold..
        These are examples of the new strategy of the initiators of hostilities.
        Even Baku won thanks to a new strategy.

        And here, I apologize, we use the WWII, WWII method. A change in tactics/strategy is already in progress. request
        1. 0
          28 February 2024 07: 49
          So are we talking about drones or anything military in general? I only noted that in other armies of the world, until recently, such a focus was not placed on unmanned aerial vehicles and drones. You can, of course, compare the number of large ones, such as Bayraktar, which played their role in Karabakh. But somehow they quickly disappeared from the battlefield, encountering normal air defense.
          And about tank columns at the beginning of the Northern Military District, instead of “razing enemy cities to the ground”....You live in the wrong country. We saved the alien Krakow, and did not burn it like our allies Dresden. Here I agree with you - we are different!
  8. +2
    26 February 2024 23: 14
    The tick beetle is also in the lowlands, and they have been fighting for it for a year now. They are fighting not for the village itself, but for the heights around it
    1. +2
      27 February 2024 01: 59
      Kleshchevka has a good defense of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, which relies on Ivanovskoye and Chasov Yar with Konstantinovka. Where do they keep artillery and MLRS. Plus there is a good forest belt in which it is good to hide drone operators
  9. +3
    26 February 2024 23: 38
    Go to the Carpathians, forelocked. Build a defense there. winked
  10. +5
    27 February 2024 01: 46
    It's not even a matter of heights, but of geography. If you look at satellite maps, you can see that these two settlements are surrounded by lakes and fields. Those. their supply will be in full view and only in certain directions. Plus, there are no other large settlements that the Ukrainian Armed Forces could make a transshipment point for supplying Tonenky and Orlovka. The Armed Forces of Ukraine, as expected, will contribute quite a bit of their soldiers to the defense of settlements that are completely unpromising for defense.
  11. 0
    27 February 2024 09: 18
    Another thing is that whoever holds them will have to go to the next dominant heights