“There was only a perforation of the armor”: the Polish press refuses to acknowledge the loss of the Ukrainian Armed Forces of the American Abrams tank

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“There was only a perforation of the armor”: the Polish press refuses to acknowledge the loss of the Ukrainian Armed Forces of the American Abrams tank

Filmed footage appeared on social networks. drone video documenting the destruction of the first copy tank M1A1SA Abrams, which is in service with the Ukrainian Armed Forces. However, the Polish press is not ready to admit this loss, since in this country Western, especially American, technology is considered an unsurpassed standard. Therefore, Polish authors are not ready to admit the obvious - that any tank will sooner or later be knocked out on the battlefield, including the American one.

It is important to note that the tank was not destroyed. There was only perforation of the armor of the rear niche of the turret, in which there are two isolated ammunition magazines for the gun

- says the publication Defense24.



As indicated, the ammunition rack on the side of the fighting compartment is isolated by sliding armored panels, and above it there are so-called blow-out panels. They allow the release of pressure, flames and gases resulting from the combustion of powder charges. Thus, the energy is directed outside the vehicle and not into the combat compartment.

The available materials show that the tank, apart from damage to the rear niche of the turret and the burning remains of powder charges, did not receive serious damage

- they think in the Polish press.

As the author notes, open hatches suggest that the crew managed to evacuate the vehicle. Attempts to finish her off with drones may be unsuccessful, since there are no shells inside the fighting compartment. Throwing grenades inside through open hatches will result in additional damage, but not destruction of the vehicle.

Western tanks are definitely superior in survivability and crew safety to designs created in the USSR. Considering the fact that the M1 Abrams family of tanks offer an unrivaled level of protection and crew survivability, the purchase of these vehicles for the Polish army should be considered a shot at the bull's eye.

- the author argues.

According to him, in the Ukrainian Armed Forces, losses of equipment and people often arise due to “bad combat practices,” especially due to the fact that armored vehicles do not work in a wider system as part of joint actions. In recent months, images of lone military equipment or infantry without cover have often appeared in publications. They move independently, do not interact, and do not have a protective umbrella from air defense and electronic warfare systems.

In such conditions, even the best equipment will sooner or later be effectively hit by the enemy

- concludes the Polish author, who refuses to come to terms with the loss of the first Abrams.

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  1. +72
    26 February 2024 20: 48
    There was a slight perforation of the armor by the cumulative, after which there was a short-term heavy defecation of the crew, after which the crew, by unanimous decision, turned into minced meat and went into the astral plane. And so, it’s okay, the wunderwaffle is on the battlefield, performing the task of replenishing scrap metal to restore cegabonium.
    1. +39
      26 February 2024 20: 53
      M1 Abrams family tanks offer unrivaled levels of protection and crew survivability

      Blessed is he who believes... However, who will now allow the psheks to buy some other equipment... Serfs, s....laughing
      1. +41
        26 February 2024 21: 29
        Well, I’m satisfied with the results of the past day!
        -Lastochkino
        -Rothschild
        -Abrams
        -NASAMS
        -Archer Yes
        1. +13
          26 February 2024 22: 23
          Quote: LIONnvrsk
          Well, I’m satisfied with the results of the past day!
          I’ll also add to satisfy the results of the day. Deprivatization is easy.
        2. +5
          27 February 2024 00: 02
          And Caesar... They also worked in metal scrap
      2. +9
        26 February 2024 22: 29
        Quote: Lev_Russia
        However, who will now allow Psheks to buy some other equipment... Serfs, s..

        So the money for an “Abama” is three times higher than a “Leopard”. And suddenly they smashed it like a leopard.
        The rating is rising, higher and higher - buy the Abrams, it’s invulnerable, but it burns beautifully.
        1. +3
          27 February 2024 00: 32
          Quote: carpenter
          The rating is rising, higher and higher - buy the Abrams, it’s invulnerable, but it burns beautifully.

          Normal Ragul logic.
          The Americans ordered to say that he was invulnerable - that means invulnerable. Just a perforation. And what burns, well... Everything burns if you set it on fire...

          In general, there is no logic in the normal sense of the word. And there is no understanding of the words spoken either. Why understand something if it’s not a question of understanding, but of marketing? Moreover, someone else's.
    2. +19
      26 February 2024 20: 54
      Each "Abram" gets a half-ton FAB!
      hi
      1. +24
        26 February 2024 21: 16
        Armor perforation?

        "The sturgeon was... Second freshness!" (With)
        1. +11
          26 February 2024 22: 02
          But a bunch of memes went viral: about yet another “Babchenko’s corpse” found (I dreamed of driving an Abrams and driving along Tverskaya) and for example:
        2. +9
          27 February 2024 00: 31
          ATGM - Tank Perforation with a Guided Missile. Or in common parlance - Hammer:
      2. +12
        26 February 2024 21: 31
        15 -20 kg is enough. It's important where you go.
        But, of course, a tungsten or uranium core is better. Uranium is, of course, in adjacent territories, such as Poland, Finland, the same Bulgaria, that’s the thing, “brothers” that’s the thing!
        1. +9
          26 February 2024 22: 34
          Quote: Vlad.by
          in neighboring territories, such as Poland, Finland, the same Bulgaria, that’s it, “brothers” that’s it!

          "Good car . even very much, just an M1A2 Abrams - 635 million rubles, a trifle, but how it burns!!!
          1. +3
            27 February 2024 06: 44
            Quote: carpenter
            "Good car . even very much, just an M1A2 Abrams - 635 million rubles, a trifle, but how it burns!!!

            from the article: “A video shot from a drone appeared on social networks, documenting the destruction of the first copy of the M1 tankA1SA Abrams"
            nevertheless, A1 differs from A2 as T-72 differs from T-90 and A2 was not supplied to Ukraine... but yes, it burns well hi
        2. -6
          27 February 2024 03: 15
          The uranium core is not radioactive. It is heavy and expensive.
          1. +7
            27 February 2024 08: 41
            It has at least 4 disadvantages (but depending on how you look at it, there may also be advantages):
            1. Chemically toxic (heavy metal after all);
            2. Pyrophoric, after and during penetration it ignites (oxidizes) with the formation of a volatile oxide (and here we look at the first point, inhaling is extremely unhelpful);
            3. No matter how “depleted” it is, there are still traces of U235 and other isotopes, and therefore alpha decay (here we look at the 2nd point, inhalation is also highly not recommended)
            4. In the event of a nuclear war, under the influence of fast neutrons it becomes clearly radioactive.
            1. +1
              27 February 2024 22: 28
              1 Weakly reactive metal
              2 here without comments any metal vapors are harmful
              3 y235 in it is 0,72%, I think for nature this is not critical.
              4 in the event of a nuclear war, it will no longer matter whether the hardness of tungsten or the weight of uranium was used.
              Let me note that I am an amateur nuclear scientist and my assessments are based on logic.
              1. +2
                28 February 2024 09: 23
                We will be happy to continue:
                1. It’s weak, as you look at it, many times more evil than lead.
                2. Pairs heavy Metals are almost always a sentence to a short and unhappy life.
                3. This is much more than in granite, if anything. And we’re not talking about nature (it will digest it, of course, but the activity of agricultural products will increase by some becquerels), but about the people nearby (including in the repair area, if the tank is restored).
                4. The survivors will have more problems.
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      3. +1
        27 February 2024 11: 51
        This is overkill! What semitone is it? There are enough drones...
        1. 0
          27 February 2024 18: 58
          Agree. But a direct hit on the FAB-500 camera would look epic.
    3. +16
      26 February 2024 20: 57
      Quote: evgen1221
      There was a slight perforation of the armor by the cumulative, after which a short-term heavy defecation occurred among the crew

      The crew had a bowel movement a little earlier, remember he was kind of maneuvering, they were cleaning the steering column from shit
    4. +10
      26 February 2024 21: 42
      Yes, perforation is a useful and even in some cases a necessary solution, when through it the crew can leave the tank under unfavorable conditions on the battlefield. Perforation is a new feature in modern tanks; if it is not there, then the tank is considered to be of low quality.
    5. +6
      26 February 2024 22: 19
      Quote: evgen1221
      There was a slight perforation of the armor

      And the tank received a full punch.
    6. +2
      26 February 2024 22: 25
      Quote: evgen1221
      And so, it’s okay, the wunderwaffle is on the battlefield, performing the task of replenishing scrap metal to restore cegabonium.

      Yes, it’s simple, the American truck was hit with an RPG and a big Boo-Boo!
    7. +5
      27 February 2024 10: 33
      What can we say here? For some figures, a through-the-head shot is also not critical. So-so, an ordinary perforation of the skull, the brain was not affected due to the absence of it. As Kozma Prutkov said: “Any stupidity can be justified.” Let them keep writing to themselves, for your health.
    8. +1
      27 February 2024 12: 39
      Quote: evgen1221
      There was a short-term heavy defecation among the crew, after which the crew, by unanimous decision, was processed into minced meat and went into the astral plane.

      According to unconfirmed reports, the crew survived. This means that, at a minimum, there is no reliable data on the death of the crew. Judging by the photos and videos available online, the fire on board the lamb is localized in the area of ​​the ammunition stores, i.e. there is no data on the destruction of the electronic filling of the tower. From all this we can draw several conclusions: 1. The tank will probably return to the battlefield after repairs; 2. It is necessary to beat tanks, be it an abrash or a leopard, until the guaranteed destruction of the hull or, at least, the transmission zone. It is most desirable to set fire to fuel tanks. After a long burning inside the tank, the body is scrapped and the electronics are scrapped. 3. The layout of the ammunition rack worked in principle. The crew remained alive (pants can be changed or washed wink ). Westerners broadcast interviews with the leopard crew, who survived a similar hit on their tank. The reliability is questionable, but nevertheless, the experience of moving the ammunition rack outside the habitable space can be examined more closely. 72-k towers, separate from the hull, were more common on both sides. I think the experience of the combat use of Western technology should be considered without euphoria.
      1. +1
        27 February 2024 14: 41
        The tank may still return to the battlefield after repairs;

        After repairs, it will return to Kubinka.
        How are you going to evacuate it from a practically surrounded village?
        1. +1
          27 February 2024 19: 08
          Quote: bk316
          After repairs, it will return to Kubinka.

          When he appears in Kubinka, then we need to talk about it. In the meantime, the small amount of information about the defeat of Abrashka is not a reason for general delight. The fate of the crew is not clear, and this is one of the most important indicators of the protective properties of an armored vehicle.
      2. 0
        27 February 2024 16: 23
        There are many consequences of a casual hit by a cumulus without penetrating the armor; inside, although the crew is alive, a lot of things are torn off their fastenings, broken out and distorted. So Abrashka is unlikely to be an exception. And before repairs, he still needs to be dragged, but with his carcass that’s a different story.
        1. 0
          27 February 2024 19: 15
          Quote: evgen1221
          So Abrashka is unlikely to be an exception.

          This is the main thing. There are only assumptions. We must wait until the results of the defeat become clear and only then try to evaluate the car for its durability. Of course, it would be desirable to “trophy” it... Although I think that this sample is not very interesting to our military-industrial complex. A bit old...
    9. +1
      28 February 2024 11: 22
      the purchase of these vehicles for the Polish army should be considered as a shot at the bull's eye

      These are the main words here. The owner said - he’s a prodigy, so you have to buy it!
    10. 0
      28 February 2024 12: 08
      Penetration has occurred. And don't make reservations...
  2. +17
    26 February 2024 20: 49
    Well, show him how he drives with this perforation, give him a good video from all sides, close up, Full HD 1080p, then we’ll believe it. May be. Although it will be easy to take someone else off of you and pass him off as the victim.
    1. +14
      26 February 2024 20: 58
      There are probably some guys sitting inside and pointing fingers up at selfies, saying, just think, the shells burned out, we didn’t even notice!
      1. +18
        26 February 2024 21: 22
        Quote from alexoff
        There are probably some guys sitting inside and pointing fingers up at selfies

        yeah, through deflowered holes
        and at the factory this prodigy will undergo hymenoplasty
        but anyway, the tank is no longer a girl
        1. +3
          27 February 2024 05: 51
          M1A1 has become an adult.)
          As a fan of visual novels aimed at adults, I find this performance erotic)
    2. +18
      26 February 2024 21: 09
      Quote: Al Manah
      Well, show him how he drives with this perforation

      They won't show it. There was definitely defloration of the armor there, not perforation. They chose the wrong term. lol
      1. +4
        27 February 2024 11: 53
        The Psheks learn from the farmers. Those have counter-indentation, these have perforation... linguists laughing
  3. +15
    26 February 2024 20: 49
    hmm I remember the Houthis burned a captured Saudi Abrams with just ordinary garbage and it burned perfectly
    1. +7
      26 February 2024 20: 53
      Well, they say, it and does not burn and does not sink. lol
  4. +9
    26 February 2024 20: 51
    It turns out this is perforation - you need to remember)))
    I wonder, after the drone, what kind of hammer drill ours planted, that the bloomers were blown out of the tank)
    1. +9
      26 February 2024 21: 09
      “There was only a perforation of the armor” - analogue: “operator of clearing equipment.” But in essence - “holes in the armor” and “cleaner”.
    2. 0
      28 February 2024 11: 25
      Moreover, after perforation they were blown away with defecation))
  5. +28
    26 February 2024 20: 52
    What is the beauty of destroying this prodigy? laughing The beauty is in the aftertaste. When buyers and manufacturers begin to write all sorts of heresy and order articles, trying to refute, justify and explain the uselessness of their bandura with a trunk. You read their mumbling and your soul rejoices.
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  7. +17
    26 February 2024 20: 53
    Well done Polish author... licked Uncle Sam's ass... the owners will pat him on the head.
  8. SSR
    +7
    26 February 2024 20: 54
    There was only perforation of the armor of the rear niche of the turret,

    Posterior defloration is a Western “innovation”.
    Is there a deflop, is the tank sad?
    That's all for now - deflation drives.
  9. +22
    26 February 2024 20: 54
    Well - if the door was not closed, then everyone is definitely screwed... If it is still closed, then the rest is debatable. I have some doubts about the fact that a tank with such a torch from the turret remains combat-ready... Repairable at the factory - perhaps. But the piece of iron still needs to be dragged to it somehow...
    1. +3
      26 February 2024 22: 02
      And then replace the tank half. It is economically feasible. Maybe cut it into ferrous metal and not waste time, money and effort? It won't be new anyway.
    2. +1
      27 February 2024 08: 48
      It’s even more interesting, the curtain only saves you if the gunpowder in the ammunition rack is BURNED, if you’re unlucky and at least one HEAT detonates, then that’s it, the crew is dead. Although there is only a kilogram of explosives in this HEAT (this is if it’s new, there’s noticeably more in the old one, and most likely it’s old).
  10. +9
    26 February 2024 20: 55
    Well, that's it, as long as the catch on the back is intact - it didn't fall
  11. +7
    26 February 2024 20: 55
    On the VO website they already knew that 11 years ago there was an article with an analysis of the Abrams’ reservation. The only thing that the author did not expect was that UAVs and EVP drones would appear en masse. So the abrashka has 62 mm steel in the forehead, 500 mm composite dimensions and 101 mm internal steel tower leaf.
    1. +7
      26 February 2024 21: 12
      So it didn’t hit him in the forehead, but in the back of his head.
      1. +7
        26 February 2024 21: 15
        So the author talked about vulnerable places where you need to hit. He said this about the roof - the dream of cluster munitions. 50-80 mm.
    2. +12
      26 February 2024 21: 24
      Abrams has a characteristic feature: if it blazes well, it tends to sit on the bottom; the suspension cannot withstand the weight of the fire.
      1. +3
        27 February 2024 10: 38
        From the article
        Attempts to finish her off using drones may be unsuccessful, since there are no shells inside the fighting compartment. Throwing grenades inside through open hatches will result in additional damage, but not destruction of the vehicle.....
        On both sides of the driver there are tanks with almost a ton of kerosene, so throwing a grenade into the tank hatch will most likely lead to the ignition of this fuel. And then the tank burns down to the level of scrap metal.
  12. +7
    26 February 2024 20: 57
    The question arises, why the Ukrainian Armed Forces have not yet used such “invulnerable” equipment.
    1. +14
      26 February 2024 21: 13
      What are you writing? Were they given them for war? Wipe it with rags, hide it securely, praise it to the whole world, scare the Russians and..... save and save scratch! There are a lot of people out there who will have their anuses ruptured because of this event....
  13. +5
    26 February 2024 20: 58
    In such conditions, even the best equipment will sooner or later be effectively hit by the enemy

    Polanoid speaks the truth Yes
  14. +9
    26 February 2024 20: 58
    Ah, so this is how Zee and his Reich Headquarters calculate losses, in Polish! “Only the carcass and head were perforated. He comes to his senses and is back in action. Write to the missing.”
  15. +19
    26 February 2024 20: 59
    Perforation of tank armor, slight deformation of gun barrels, unsuccessful landing of aircraft, slight deviation of the flight path of cruise missiles, planned withdrawal from insignificant settlements. A magnificent summer offensive, more than 3% completed...
  16. +18
    26 February 2024 21: 01
    Here on TV an American general said that Russian tanks can be repaired right in the field with the help of a sledgehammer and such and such a mother, but the Abrams must first be connected to a computer. They also showed our guys who carry out repairs not far from the LBS in field workshops, and in the west they have a personal mechanic with a pneumatic impact wrench attached to each bolt, and taking a two-meter wrench from a rusty pipe is a problem for them!
    1. +1
      26 February 2024 22: 04
      Don’t tell us all the details about how you can repair equipment in the field, otherwise your enemies will find out all the secrets! laughing
      1. 0
        27 February 2024 08: 52
        So this knowledge will not help. After all, no one will read the small footnote “finish with a file” laughing
  17. +9
    26 February 2024 21: 02
    . allow the release of pressure, flame and gases resulting from the combustion of powder charges.

    How does prolonged heating of metal affect the quality of armor? This is how we anneal steel wire, after which it becomes knitting. The crew survived - yes. And I think the tower needs to be replaced. And in general, why did the crew run away if everything was not so bad. Why didn't you leave? request
    1. +6
      26 February 2024 22: 05
      The driver didn't want to go.
  18. +9
    26 February 2024 21: 10
    A funny thing happens. For the Poles to understand that they “shot the bull’s eye” by buying these tanks from the Yankees, they simply had to be burned in Russia. wassat L. Logic!!
  19. +9
    26 February 2024 21: 10
    No, well, the scribe came to the tank without mincing words, how fun it is that the ammunition is burning out, the crew may still be alive, but this temperature does not go away without leaving a trace, and then the logistics will be taken care of, the fuel and hydraulics will be wasted, plus there is an auxiliary engine somewhere nearby in the turret , oh, it will also turn up the heat.
    1. +11
      26 February 2024 21: 18
      [/quote]but this temperature does not go away without a trace, [quote]

      In addition to the hydraulics, all the electrics need to be replaced. That is, there will be only one armored hull left. And that one is burnt, and, most likely, deformed.
      1. ANB
        +14
        26 February 2024 21: 35
        Yes, whatever. Quite a whole tank.
        We change: engine, suspension, hydraulics, electronics, well, the body, just in case.
        But the original rollers and tracks remain.
        Easy repairs and the tank is back in service.
      2. +4
        26 February 2024 21: 53
        Quote: Eugen 62
        but this temperature does not pass without leaving a trace,

        most likely deformed.
        Well, it clearly says - PERFORATED bully
      3. +3
        26 February 2024 22: 07
        For cutting into ferrous metal. Unfit for more after such a turn.
  20. +5
    26 February 2024 21: 16
    There was only perforation of the armor
    and those who wrote this even know what perforation is?!
    1. +10
      26 February 2024 21: 27
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      There was only perforation of the armor
      and those who wrote this even know what perforation is?!

      Why do they need to know? In the West, knowledge is not held in high esteem. In Naglia over there the rocket returned back to the submarine - anomaly, these abrashka burned out - armor perforation. They are all perforated anomalies there. Yes
    2. +4
      26 February 2024 22: 17
      I specifically looked for what it is.
      Perforation (English perforation, Latin perforo - I punch) is the result of perforation, that is, the provisional production of a significant number of correctly located holes of the correct shape in sheet and other material.

      You can't argue with a significant number, but with their correct shape and location - an ambush.
      1. +7
        26 February 2024 22: 19
        Quote: Pavel_Sveshnikov
        but with their correct shape and location - an ambush.

        that is, it’s still defloration?
  21. +10
    26 February 2024 21: 20
    . According to him, in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, losses of equipment and people often arise due to “bad combat practice”,

    I especially liked this one. The Polish army, which has not smelled gunpowder and has not had any particular military successes over the past 100 years, wants to advise something?
    1. +6
      26 February 2024 21: 23
      Quote: South Ukrainian
      who has not had much combat success over the past 100 years, wants to advise something

      But what about 4 tankers and a dog?!!
      1. +6
        26 February 2024 22: 56
        [/quote]what about 4 tankers and a dog?![quote]

        There was a Georgian driver there. And our dog, the Far Eastern one. In general, historians write that the Polish Army lacked specialists. That’s why the commanders and driver drivers there were often citizens of the USSR. Psheki there were more like “bring it, give it, go to hell... don’t interfere.”
        1. 0
          26 February 2024 22: 59
          Quote: Eugen 62
          There was a Georgian driver there

          but there were two Poles there
        2. +2
          26 February 2024 23: 14
          Of the 40 thousand officers of the Polish Army during the war, 20 thousand, incl. 36 generals were commanders of the Red Army.
          1. +2
            27 February 2024 05: 34
            Yes, even after the war, Defense Minister Rokossovsky was there!
            1. 0
              8 March 2024 01: 11
              As witnesses of those events said, the actual reason why he was asked from Poland was that during the Poznan events, the Polish analogue of the Hungarian ones, he withdrew the bulk of the Polish Army units, which turned out to be unstable, from the cities for exercises, introduced Soviet units, which allowed military units and law enforcement units that remained loyal to the Polish communists to suppress armed uprisings quite harshly, with bloodshed. And Gomulko, who came to power, made him extreme. The decision to leave for the Union and the departure itself took place on the same day.
              At the same time, he played a huge positive role in the creation of the modern Polish army.
      2. 0
        27 February 2024 09: 25
        The tank and the dog were Russian. So success is doubtful.
  22. +2
    26 February 2024 21: 28
    How is that? In a small hole, like in a car seat?
    1. +2
      26 February 2024 21: 31
      depending on what kind of “tool”...
      and even hymenoplasty will not help
      1. +2
        26 February 2024 22: 16
        After such a “perforation”, it is unlikely that the required amount of biomaterial will remain suitable for performing such a delicate surgical procedure. It might still work for Dr. Frankenstein...
  23. +3
    26 February 2024 21: 28
    “There was only perforation of the armor”: in the Polish press...


    she died so she died
  24. +1
    26 February 2024 21: 30
    Throwing grenades inside through open hatches will result in additional damage, but not destruction of the vehicle.

    The crew will especially like this. God, what idiots...
    1. +4
      26 February 2024 22: 25
      Quote: Bulrumeb
      Throwing grenades inside through open hatches will result in additional damage, but not destruction of the vehicle.

      The crew will especially like this. God, what idiots...

      So the crew is being replaced, along with the electronics. They're disposable. The main thing for them is to weld the perforated hole later. wassat
      1. DDR
        +2
        26 February 2024 22: 57
        Quote: K-50
        The main thing for them is to weld the perforated hole later

        belay to whom? The crew? laughing
    2. 0
      27 February 2024 09: 43
      Quote: Bulrumeb
      Jesus

      There is no need to pray for national terrorists. A terrorist has no Faith, no race, no nationality. am soldier
  25. +3
    26 February 2024 21: 32
    Exactly guys!!! This tank can easily withstand hits from two or three nuclear loaves, the fall of the moon, meteorites and asteroids, the movement of geological platforms, and probably only an explosion of the galaxy can damage it a little.....
    1. +4
      26 February 2024 22: 11
      The paint will peel off here and there. Blow from a can and “unbroken, unpainted, low mileage, grandma went to church (three thousand km one way
  26. Pol
    +5
    26 February 2024 21: 32
    This is perforation! Perforation, whore! I'm a perdole....
  27. +3
    26 February 2024 21: 32
    Akhmat strength! Allah Akbar! Victory will be for the Russians! soldier
  28. +6
    26 February 2024 21: 38
    Where is this tank now? Is it in the field? Or the ukry dragged him away. Or ours to ourselves? Much could be explained/showed...
  29. +4
    26 February 2024 21: 38
    It is important to note that the tank was not destroyed. There was only perforation of the armor of the rear niche of the turret

    A hedgehog sits and meditates:
    “I won’t fart, I won’t fart, I won’t fart.” Oh! This is not me, this is not me, this is not me...
  30. +10
    26 February 2024 21: 41
    An example of Abrams after the fire.

    It is very clearly visible that the fire was not only in the ammunition rack, but throughout the entire habitable space.
    Soldiers' rumors say that in the name of the rate of fire and saving the loader's limbs, the ingenuity of American tankers is as follows - the curtain is simply blocked in the open position.
    And also, spiteful critics who do not recognize the “genius” of American tank building, which is a symbiosis of the Teutonic heritage and the desire to fight without getting off the toilet, whisper in the kitchens that this same genius was never able to produce a sufficiently reliable curtain to protect the crew. Therefore, he acted simply and unpretentiously and completely excluded HE shells from the ammo kit. And since there is nothing to detonate, then safety is higher. wassat
    And they have to fight with hole punchers (sub-caliber needles), and against manpower they came up with hypertrophied shotgun cartridges.
    1. +1
      26 February 2024 22: 30
      “And since there’s nothing to detonate,...” Why, there’s nothing, but charges?!
      1. +1
        26 February 2024 22: 45
        “And since there’s nothing to detonate,...” Why, there’s nothing, but charges?!


        Propelling charges burn, albeit quickly.
        1. -1
          27 February 2024 08: 56
          Yes, there is a HE in the form of HEAT. If it detonates, the curtain will not hold hi
          1. 0
            27 February 2024 18: 36
            Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
            An example of Abrams after the fire.
            This is "Leopard-2" - the engine has 2 round radiator grilles, Abrams does not have them
            1. 0
              27 February 2024 18: 47
              Abrams tank, top view
    2. +1
      26 February 2024 22: 59
      The ammunition stowage includes multi-purpose cumulative ones. They must explode well; a shell, even a cumulative one, is packed with explosives.
      1. +2
        26 February 2024 23: 37
        The ammunition stowage includes multi-purpose cumulative ones. They must explode well; a shell, even a cumulative one, is packed with explosives.


        Let's take the domestic 125-mm high-explosive fragmentation projectile 3OF26.
        The caliber is 125 mm.
        The span of the stabilizers is 356 mm.
        Shot weight - 33 kg.
        Projectile weight - 23 kg.
        Type BB - hexal (A-IX-2).
        Weight BB - 3,4 kg.

        What do the Americans have there?
        M830A1 High Explosive Anti-Tank Multi-Purpose Tracer (HEAT-MP-T, or MPAT)
        Length: 38,7 inches (983 mm)
        Shot weight: 50,1 lb (22,7 kg)
        Contents and brand of explosives - 0,966 kg Composition A3 Type II
        1. +1
          27 February 2024 08: 58
          Well, I wrote myself that there is a castrated OF. And this is a relatively new projectile, the one supplied in Ukrolo is most likely an old version, there are more explosives there and the price is several times lower.
    3. 0
      27 February 2024 05: 22
      This is somehow incomprehensible, for the US colonial wars, HE shells seem to be needed first of all, to drive the natives, against such an enemy, hole punches are useless, like shooting a sparrow from a cannon, it is clear that initially they were preparing to fight with the USSR, with its armored power, but Well, for how long he had been resting in God’s life, they were never able to enter the OP into the bookmaker, or they vaguely suspected something...
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  32. +3
    26 February 2024 21: 46
    But what will the Poles say? Ha ha ha ha
  33. +6
    26 February 2024 21: 51
    Yes, what kind of curtains are there, it is clear that it is not gunpowder that is burning, it has already either burned out or detonated, but it is the guts and all sorts of liquids that give the torch. Some kind of "perforation"...
  34. +9
    26 February 2024 21: 58
    Considering the fact that the M1 Abrams family of tanks offer an unrivaled level of protection and crew survivability, the purchase of these vehicles for the Polish army should be considered a shot at the bull's eye.

    In this case, the Poles shot themselves not in the bull's eye, but right in the testicle! It is right to say that you can piss in the eyes of a Pole or a boar and they will scream - God's dew! fool
    ps Congratulations to us! With the first abrash - God forbid not the last! drinks
  35. +8
    26 February 2024 22: 06
    Apparently the Poles began to realize that it was in vain that they sent Ukraine 260 of their T-72s in very good condition, receiving some Abrams in return. wassat

    In total, the United States, under an agreement with Poland, must supply, as Polish Defense Minister Mariusz Blaszczak previously stated, 116 M1A1 Abrams tanks.

    Well, let them wait for supplies and bite their elbows or whatever they can reach...
  36. +4
    26 February 2024 22: 20
    Give this fucker a slight perforation of the head with a couple of bullets and say it’s no big deal tongue
  37. +1
    26 February 2024 22: 22
    It is important to note that the tank was not destroyed. There was only perforation of the armor of the rear niche of the turret, in which there are two isolated ammunition magazines for the gun

    Well, just write - "Abram" exploded.
  38. +7
    26 February 2024 22: 27
    Should I admit that I screwed up with the purchase of expensive bullshit? Days for what!
  39. -1
    26 February 2024 22: 39
    Previously, you could post a video on VO, but now I can only make a link. Badly.

    https://youtu.be/QCwngnsuWNc
    1. -1
      26 February 2024 22: 53
      Quote: carpenter
      https://youtu.be/QCwngnsuWNc

    2. 0
      26 February 2024 22: 57
      Quote: carpenter
      Previously, you could post a video on VO, but now I can only make a link. Badly.

      https://youtu.be/QCwngnsuWNc

  40. +5
    26 February 2024 22: 39
    It is difficult to completely destroy armored vehicles. But after such a hit, medium and large repairs equal destruction. If it is impossible to repair it during combat operations without sending it to the manufacturer, and this is at best to Poland, then there is no point in talking about perforation and observation, the tank is lost, well done drone pilots.
  41. +2
    26 February 2024 22: 52
    Thus, the energy is directed outside the vehicle, and not into the combat compartment
    Both the Abrams and the Leopard have a common ancestor and their first models are structurally similar in many ways, and therefore have similar shortcomings. Such a massive fire of ammunition on the Leopard 2A4 definitely leads to its loss, although outwardly it seems to be intact, but inside it burns out. So, there is great confidence that this tank cannot be restored either.
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  43. +1
    26 February 2024 22: 56
    It seems the Poles have even more dementia than the Cossack Baida, oh, US President Biden. It was necessary for the Psheks to screw themselves like that with the Abras. But the Psheks bought a lot of Abrams for their army.
  44. Uno
    -5
    26 February 2024 22: 58
    Now will they be running around with this tank for another year and taking pictures from all angles?)
    1. +4
      27 February 2024 00: 52
      No. In just a couple of days, new photos of new tanks will appear. And then they’ll let you touch it in person, undamaged. Logic leads to this. Unless the Abrams are urgently hidden deep in the rear again, so as not to spoil the owner’s image.
  45. 0
    26 February 2024 23: 02
    Quote: alystan
    Apparently the Poles began to realize that it was in vain that they sent Ukraine 260 of their T-72s in very good condition, receiving some Abrams in return. wassat

    In total, the United States, under an agreement with Poland, must supply, as Polish Defense Minister Mariusz Blaszczak previously stated, 116 M1A1 Abrams tanks....

    But this is serious - shelling out a huge pile of money for something worse than what they had, i.e. They no longer have T-72. And staying with this hardware, which in this region is qualitatively worse than the Russian one for many years, is downright evil!
  46. 0
    26 February 2024 23: 03
    As the Polish author notes, open hatches suggest that the crew managed to evacuate the vehicle
    Let them not worry about the crew - they finished them off with rifle butts lol
  47. +4
    26 February 2024 23: 20
    The abrow was deflowered, and then perforated and dissected
  48. +2
    26 February 2024 23: 45
    It’s in vain that the Americans and dill relied on American superiority and its toughness only because this “Abrasha” is a product of the USA - it’s in vain that they didn’t put the usual “barbecue” on top of it - against the drones that we put on our tanks and infantry fighting vehicles / armored personnel carriers!
    1. -1
      27 February 2024 00: 27
      You can't scratch something that's made by American hands.
  49. +3
    26 February 2024 23: 50
    Trouble, trouble, the gentleman was offended!..
    These are stupid Polish people. Their sycophancy knows no bounds. They also convince themselves that they will no longer be slaves (when they have been slaves for a long time!).
  50. +5
    26 February 2024 23: 56
    Abrams are produced immediately with perforations, like rolls of toilet paper.
  51. +3
    27 February 2024 00: 25
    The Psheks came out with a good meme "perforation"
  52. +1
    27 February 2024 00: 30
    Considering the fact that the M1 Abrams family of tanks offer an unrivaled level of protection and crew survivability, the purchase of these vehicles for the Polish army should be considered as a shot in the bull's eye, the author argues.
    Polish military and apples, find the difference. request
  53. +3
    27 February 2024 00: 30
    An ordinary tank, heavy and not the most successful, essentially a self-propelled gun, but our guys are great. And the Poles are traitors
  54. +3
    27 February 2024 00: 48
    I then propose a toast: “To perforation!” So that more often and closer to the Polish border.
  55. +3
    27 February 2024 01: 17
    Now the ammunition will definitely appear - the Perforator.
    1. 0
      27 February 2024 05: 41
      If there is a Drill aerial bomb, then why not a Perforator projectile?
    2. +3
      27 February 2024 06: 53
      there are already... For example, 203-mm self-propelled guns 2S7 "Pion", which were put into operation in 1975. Low-power tactical ammunition “Kleschevitsa”, “Sazhenets” and “Sapling” were specially created for them.drill”, with which self-propelled guns “processed” targets at a distance of up to 45 kilometers.. smile
  56. +1
    27 February 2024 01: 29
    It was a plywood tank to lure our drones, like everything else from the Ukrainians. Only real meat.
  57. 0
    27 February 2024 04: 39
    There is a theory that the curtain between the fighting compartment and the ammunition exists not to protect the crew from fire and detonation of ammunition, but to provide legal protection to the US Department of Defense from lawsuits by crews regarding illnesses due to prolonged contact with depleted uranium projectiles in the future.
  58. +1
    27 February 2024 04: 56
    Kinda like suggesting a tire is only flat on the bottom......................
  59. 0
    27 February 2024 04: 59
    All that remains is to “try” Merkava. And there will be an almost complete set!
    1. +1
      27 February 2024 08: 03
      All that remains is to “try” Merkava. And there will be an almost complete set!

      why try it? Merkavas are not exported or transferred outside of Israel
      and how they are being perforated by Palestinians from October 2023 there is a full video in excellent quality
    2. 0
      28 February 2024 11: 48
      There's still Leclerc left... But Makroshka won't give it yet.
  60. +3
    27 February 2024 07: 56
    Perforation... shops!!... Actually this is a penetration of armor and ammunition racks. Oh, these gentlemen are experts. We are waiting for statements from British scientists and experts.))
  61. 0
    27 February 2024 08: 14
    There's just one caveat. If the crew did not close the curtain separating the ammunition storage area from the tower, then everyone there was fried. And even the Americans, and certainly the lazy Ukrainians, won’t always close this curtain after each removal of a shell during a battle.
    1. +1
      28 February 2024 18: 54
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      There's just one caveat. If the crew did not close the curtain separating the ammunition storage area from the tower, then everyone there was fried. And even the Americans, and certainly the lazy Ukrainians, won’t always close this curtain after each removal of a shell during a battle.

      The fact of the matter is that, as far as I know, the curtain closes itself automatically. I just don’t know whether I need to press the button or whether closing the shutter will activate this very curtain.
  62. +1
    27 February 2024 08: 28
    It burns well and it’s not clear what’s going on here. the doctor said to the morgue, that means to the morgue.
  63. +3
    27 February 2024 08: 49
    Do not confuse perforation with penetration :))
    But in general ....
  64. +1
    27 February 2024 11: 21
    since there are no shells inside the fighting compartment.

    What are you saying? But the men don’t know! What then, it would be interesting to know, lies in the right rear part of the fighting compartment?
    Even in Abams, the driver sits between two healthy fuel tanks. He leans his shoulders straight. The side armor of the M-1 is only 1,5".
  65. +1
    27 February 2024 11: 22
    Quote: Single-n
    perforation with penetration :))

    Yeah! And with defloration laughing!
  66. +1
    27 February 2024 11: 29
    Quote: Grossvater
    since there are no shells inside the fighting compartment.

    What are you saying? But the men don’t know! What then, it would be interesting to know, lies in the right rear part of the fighting compartment?
    Even in Abams, the driver sits between two healthy fuel tanks. He leans his shoulders straight. The side armor of the M-1 is only 1,5".

    Quote: Grossvater
    since there are no shells inside the fighting compartment.

    What are you saying? But the men don’t know! What then, it would be interesting to know, lies in the right rear part of the fighting compartment?
    Even in Abams, the driver sits between two healthy fuel tanks. He leans his shoulders straight. The side armor of the M-1 is only 1,5".

    Damn it! I inserted the wrong picture, but I can’t delete it!
  67. 0
    27 February 2024 11: 36
    An ammunition rack is visible in the rear right corner of the fighting compartment. M-1
  68. +3
    27 February 2024 11: 43
    Very similar to: There was only defloration, but the girl is absolutely innocent!
  69. +4
    27 February 2024 11: 51
    the girl did not lose her virginity; she only had perforation of the hymen laughing
  70. +3
    27 February 2024 12: 13
    Yeah, perforation... They made a colander out of it.
  71. +1
    27 February 2024 13: 04
    The next division of Poland will be into atoms...
  72. +4
    27 February 2024 13: 09
    Now comes the fun part.
    Hunting for a tank evacuation group. Our guys have a chance to excel again.
  73. +3
    27 February 2024 18: 11
    It's something like: No, I was fucked, there was just a perforation.
  74. -2
    27 February 2024 19: 51
    Western tanks are definitely superior in survivability and crew safety to designs created in the USSR.


    You can try to make fun of the Poles as much as you like, but in this case they are 100% right. Western tanks are more durable, the same applies to infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers.

    Yes, they have drawbacks, but the fact that they provide greater survivability of crews is a fact!!!
    1. +3
      27 February 2024 20: 56
      This is all conditional. The T-90 can hold many times more than this Abrams and remain combat-ready. The disadvantage of our tanks (the location of the ammunition) is due to their advantages - a three-person crew, an automatic loader and one and a half times less weight with the same protection.
  75. 0
    28 February 2024 10: 53
    Meanwhile, - "There is an interesting point in this Abrams story. As blogger Mark Barovsky reported in hot pursuit, “journalist (non-Vlasovite) Arkady Babchenko died. He turned out to be a driver in the Abrams destroyed today"..." (c) A rather strange "perforation" of the turret (with an unsurpassed level of protection), during which the tank driver died. belay
  76. +2
    28 February 2024 11: 31
    Perforation of armor, defloration of a tank, defecation of the crew.
    How many terms have appeared in the military sphere thanks to this incident!
  77. +1
    28 February 2024 13: 04
    These stupid psheks - they have Abrams, let them conduct an artillery examination of the Abrams at the training ground and understand everything themselves. What’s funnier is their replacement of 240 T-72 tanks with 40 leopards and sending these T-72s to Ukraine - they traded an awl for soap!
  78. +1
    28 February 2024 14: 37
    Perforation... sounds good to Abrams, almost like penetration.
  79. +1
    1 March 2024 12: 10
    Perforation is just perforation... the main thing is the tank - that's all.
  80. 0
    4 March 2024 22: 51
    Even so, but still the dog licked Uncle Sam between the two halves....