Lenin and religion: realities and fakes

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Lenin and religion: realities and fakes

It’s sad, but the palm among anti-Leninist myth-makers today is held by some hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church.

Of course, the highest circles of the church consist overwhelmingly of highly educated people, not only in theological terms, but also in general cultural terms.



Take, for example, Alexey Ilyich Osipov, whose videos I enjoy watching on the Internet. He gives explanations on church practice, on the interpretation of the New and Old Testaments, based not only on the meaning of these great books, but also citing facts of worldly life and global culture. For me, A.I. Osipov is one of the highly gifted figures who educate the peoples of our country.

Perhaps he also spoke out on the topic of Lenin and the Soviet regime, but, in any case, I have not yet come across this. But some leaders of the Orthodox Church allow themselves, to put it mildly, to be disingenuous. Let's try to understand this issue.

First, let's take a look at the well-known fake.

Fake


So, Lenin is credited with the following instruction: “It is necessary to put an end to priests and religion as quickly as possible. Popovs should be arrested as counter-revolutionaries and saboteurs, and shot mercilessly and everywhere. And as much as possible. Churches are subject to closure. The temple premises should be sealed and turned into warehouses. Chairman of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee Kalinin, Chairman of the Council. Nar. Commissars Ulyanov (Lenin)".

The well-known A. Latyshev, posing as an impartial historian, is the author of the book “Declassified Lenin” and articles like “On the declassification of Lenin’s works. On the occasion of the 132nd anniversary of his birth,” he wrote about his “difficult but productive” work in the archives: “after the August events of 1991, I was given a special pass to familiarize myself with secret documents about Lenin. The authorities thought to find the reason for the coup in the past. I sat in the archives from morning to evening, and my hair stood on end. After all, I always believed in Lenin, but after the first thirty documents I read, I was simply shocked.”

I will not hide that I was also shocked that church leaders willingly follow the lead of the authors of fakes, without bothering themselves with the simplest verification. Let's do this work for them, let's see what's so sophisticated here, and how the annals stories turn into a trash heap.

The first and most important argument against.

During the entire period of their activity, the All-Russian Central Executive Committee and the Council of People's Commissars did not issue a single document with the title “Instruction”, only resolutions and decrees signed by the heads of these bodies. Anyone can verify this personally by looking at the collections “Decrees of the Soviet Power”. Moreover, in the practice of Soviet party and state office work, there never existed documents with the title “Instruction”.

On May 1, 1919, M.I. Kalinin was physically unable to sign any “instruction”, since at that time he was making a trip to the Eastern Front. Probably, according to the authors of the fake, Kalinin sent his signature via Whatsapp. Or maybe on Telegram? Who knows them there, these Bolsheviks, maybe they were carrying out such programs with all their might?

The serial number 13666/2 implies the presence of many thousands of such “instructions” in government records. Dear fakers, could you please provide at least a dozen such instructions, please?

According to the director of RGASPI K. M. Anderson, all documents of the Lenin Foundation have been declassified and are available to researchers, since they do not contain state secrets. "Lenin's Directive of May 1, 1919" is not available in RGASPI. Among Lenin's papers dating back to May 1, 1919, there are no anti-religious ones - these are several resolutions of the Small Council of People's Commissars signed by him, and they all relate to minor economic issues.

Missing “Lenin’s Directive of May 1, 1919” and in the State Archive of the Russian Federation, where the funds of the Council of People's Commissars and the All-Russian Central Executive Committee are stored, the Central Archive of the FSB of Russia and the Archive of the President of the Russian Federation gave a negative review of the presence of this “document” in their official letters.

The ever-memorable Latyshev also wrote that supposedly in the newspaper Pravda there was a certain decision of the Politburo of November 11, 1939, which canceled this instruction from Lenin. And then we see that there was a decision on that day! The sun of truth has risen, hasn't it? But the trouble is, on November 11, 1939, the decisions of the Politburo actually took place. However, they did not concern church issues.

Let's go back some time and see what Vladimir Ilyich thought about religion and the hierarchs of the church.

About religion and church hierarchs


Long before the revolution, while studying the works of great philosophers, Lenin left many notes in the margins of books. For example, while studying Hegel, Lenin leaves a remark that reveals his interest in smart opponents: “Smart idealism is closer to smart materialism than stupid materialism.”

It should be noted that Lenin's articles on Christianity do not contain criticism of the Gospel or church dogmas. For him there was no problem of the historical Jesus, since there was no problem of the existence of God or religious quest.

Religion, according to Lenin, is just a way to deceive the working people and an opportunity for the rich to keep the poor in submission. And if we take not the teachings of Christ itself, but the activities of the official church, then we will see that yes, the church stood and stands guard over the interests of big capital. The great Russian writer Leo Tolstoy wrote approximately the same thing.

Lenin's attitude towards the Orthodox Church, and religion in general, is a very complex topic. Here you need to draw conclusions only on the basis of facts and documents. Yes, sometimes he is irreconcilable in his statements. But it should be taken into account that such escapades by Lenin on this topic were isolated.

In addition, one should keep in mind the fact that there was a Civil War in which the intransigence of the parties reached ugly extremes. Let us recall, for example, the church detachments, which consisted of armed church leaders who did not hesitate to use weapon against their own people.

But even the circumstances of the fierce Civil War did not deprive the leader of the ability to think soberly and practically. Historian Valery Alekseev established: in the fall of 1919, thanks to Lenin’s personal intervention, Bishop Micah (Alekseev) was released.

It turns out that Lenin fought not so much with specific people, but with the official ideology of Orthodoxy. Let us not talk now about the fallacy or correctness of his ideals. Let us rather remember his great plans to raise a new man with a worldview based on positive knowledge, to which the church was a real and potential opponent. Note that Lenin's approach to the development of a new personality was based on an interpreted version of the Ten Commandments.

Of course, some readers will try to refute me, that is their right. But if you carefully analyze the legacy of Lenin and the legacy of the New Testament, you will find that the ultimate goal is the education of a free person. If we remove articles related to communism from the code of the builder of communism, then in many respects they will coincide with the teachings of Christ.

What did Lenin write about people of faith?


Working to attract workers to the party, he wrote: "We are certainly opposed to the slightest insult to their religious beliefs." He even allowed priests to become members of the Bolshevik Party if they were inclined to conscientiously participate in party life. You can find these quotes in the complete edition of Lenin's works (5th ed. Vol. 17, p. 422).

For Lenin, the Marxist understanding of freedom of conscience was the starting point for resolving the question of the attitude of the proletariat to religion. Freedom of conscience was understood simultaneously as freedom of religion and as freedom to renounce any religion. And in order to exercise this freedom, legislation should not restrict the rights of citizens in religious terms depending on their religious beliefs.

Have Vladimir Ilyich’s principles changed after coming to power?


Yes and no. Yes, in the sense that he began to act based on changed conditions. And the fact that Lenin was a great theoretician and pragmatist is beyond doubt. The lack of fundamental changes in methods and policies towards the church was clearly expressed in his speech at the First All-Russian Congress of Working Women in 1918, where he said:

“We must fight religious prejudices with extreme caution: a lot of harm is done by those who bring insults to religious feelings into this fight. We need to fight through propaganda, through education.”

The full text of the speech can be found in PSS (5th ed. T. 37, P. 186).

In 1919, when developing the program of the Russian Communist Party (Bolsheviks), he wrote that it was necessary to avoid “any insult to the feelings of the believing part of the population.”

In 1921, he wrote to the Secretary of the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks, Vyacheslav Molotov, explaining the fallacy of haste or extremes in religious matters:

“The newspapers published a letter or circular from the Central Committee regarding May 1, and it says: expose the lies of religion or something similar. This is impossible. It's tactless. It is precisely on the occasion of Easter that something else should be recommended: not to expose lies, but, of course, to avoid any insult to religion.”

In the book by V. T. Loginov, “This Victory”, other facts are given that speak about Vladimir Ilyich’s attitude towards religious people, in particular with regard to allowing the celebration of Easter. Those who want to know more details can always read about it.

Another significant fact that you simply cannot ignore.

In April 1919, workers of the Kursk Railway turned to Lenin with a request to cancel the closure of the church. Lenin addressed a petition to the People's Commissariat of Justice with the note that it would be dealt with fairly and impartially. As a result, the VIII Department of the People's Commissariat of Justice informed the Administration of the Council of People's Commissars on April 23, 1919 that

“If the railway church at the Kursk station is a separate building, then there are no obstacles to transferring it to the disposal of groups of believers.”

In 1922, a huge disaster awaited the Soviet government - famine occurred. Desperately seeking funds to purchase food abroad, a special decree was issued to confiscate church valuables. At the same time, the state tried to approach the solution of problems based on the interests of all parties.

We will not touch on the excesses that occurred during the implementation of this resolution, since this is a topic for another article; we will mention only one well-known event: the city of Shuya, where believers resisted the confiscation of church valuables, and the blood of participants in the Bolshevik campaign was shed.

Here we agree with Lenin’s critics that the response to these events was very harsh. Let's see what exactly Lenin wrote.

“It is now and only now, when people are being eaten in starved areas and hundreds, if not thousands of corpses are lying on the roads, that we can (and therefore must) carry out the confiscation of church valuables with the most furious and merciless energy and without stopping at the suppression of any resistance.” .

Let's try to understand the logic of Vladimir Ilyich.

A terrible famine broke out in a destroyed and bloodless country, for which there were no significant funds to eliminate it. And at this very moment, funds were needed not only to help the starving, but also for state and economic construction. But in any case, Lenin proceeded from the need to avoid more bloodshed.

After all, liberals and anti-communists savor with pleasure the executions of October 1993, when in the struggle for power Yeltsin was not afraid of blood and demanded that as much as possible be shed. And he shed it much more than the Bolsheviks did in the events in Shuya in 1922.

As a result of the trial, three people were shot in Shuya. And if we take the total number of victims throughout the country, then, according to the latest data, this amounts to several dozen people. Much less than in the events of 1993.

At the same time, historians have not found evidence that Lenin insisted on executing believers and church ministers for their mere beliefs or belonging to the church, although archival funds have long been open. What is not there is not there, don’t blame me. Learn materiel.

But there were also cases when the Soviet state and the church interacted normally. I’m not even talking about the Great Patriotic War, when the Orthodox Church made a worthy contribution to our Victory, as well as about 1943, when Stalin, as a faithful disciple of Lenin, restored the Patriarchate.

The archives contain interesting data about how, by the verdict of the Cheka, repeat offender Alexander Vasiliev, who robbed the chapel of the Alekseevsky Monastery in Arzamas, was detained and shot. By the way, in 1920, the nuns of this monastery carried out a large-scale collection of funds and donations in favor of wounded soldiers of the Red Army, for which they were even publicly expressed gratitude on behalf of the Soviet authorities.

And when I read Dmitry Smirnov’s statement that under Stalin, approximately 300 thousand priests alone were shot, I feel ashamed of this worthy church figure, who, unfortunately, left our world several years ago. Here again we have to learn the materiel.

What conclusions should be drawn based on the above facts?

Conclusions


Without denying that the Church really suffered from the actions of the Soviet government, including through extrajudicial executions, in many ways Lenin was not so much an anti-Christ enemy who wanted the destruction of the Church now and immediately, but rather a pragmatist trying to educate a free person. People will argue about this for a long time, but I would like to end with a statement from Patriarch Tikhon (in the world Vasily Ivanovich Bellavin).

But before the quote, it should be especially noted that Tikhon was a very active anti-Soviet. As a result, at one of the trials held in Moscow, he acted as a witness. Trying to evade responsibility for those excesses that were provoked by the clergy in fulfillment of his instructions, he shifted all the blame onto the direct participants in the excesses.

However, the facts and documents presented to the court irrefutably proved that the malicious sabotage of the Soviet government’s measures to combat hunger was carried out by the episcopate and clergy on the direct orders of the head of the church. An investigation began into the case of Patriarch Tikhon, and he himself was isolated. However, despite all this, Patriarch Tikhon came to the conclusion that it was quite possible to find a common language with the Soviet government.

And now that same quote.

“The Holy Synod of the Russian Orthodox Church expresses sincere regret on the occasion of the death of the great liberator of our people from the kingdom of great violence and oppression on the path of complete freedom and self-development. May the bright image of the great fighter and sufferer for the freedom of the oppressed, for the ideas of universal true brotherhood live continuously in the hearts of those who remain and shine brightly for everyone in the struggle to achieve complete happiness of people on earth. We know that the people loved him dearly...

May the coming centuries not erase in the people's memory the road to his grave, the cradle of freedom of all mankind. The great dead often, over the course of centuries, speak to the minds and hearts of those who remain more than the living. May this now silent grave also be an unceasing tribune from generation to generation for those who wish themselves happiness. Eternal memory and eternal peace to your long-suffering, kind and Christian soul."

The patriarch's will stated the following:
“Invoking the Blessing of God on the archpastors, shepherds and our faithful children, we ask you with a calm conscience, without fear of sinning against the Holy Faith, to submit to Soviet power not out of fear, but out of conscience...

We call on all beloved children of the God-protected Russian Church in this important time of building the common well-being of the people to unite with us in fervent prayer to the Almighty for sending help to the Workers' and Peasants' government in its labors for the common good.

Calling on parish communities and especially their executive bodies not to allow any attempts by ill-intentioned people towards anti-government activities, not to harbor hopes for the return of the monarchical system and to make sure that Soviet power is truly the people’s Workers’ and Peasants’ power and therefore strong and unshakable.”


You can talk as much as you like about the fact that he was “forced” to write something like this, but the whole life and deeds of the patriarch do not allow us to agree with this. He was not that kind of person; he did not bend under power, but did what he considered important and necessary.

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In conclusion, several works by Lenin, in which those who wish can find some answers to the question of Lenin’s attitude to religion:

1. Classes and parties in their relation to religion and the church.
2. “Liberals and clerics” // PSS. 5th ed. T. 21. P. 469.
3. “Clergy and politics” // PSS. 5th ed. T. 22. P. 80. 1912.
4. He perceived the state-church alliance of the Russian Empire as acutely critical. “We demand,” he wrote, “a complete separation of church and state in order to fight the religious fog with purely ideological and only ideological weapons...” (PSS. 5th ed. T. 12. P. 145). No violence was intended.
5. “Socialism and Religion,” published in 1905, the leader debunked the charity of large owners, performed for religious reasons, as an attempt to justify predatory business (PSS. 5th ed. T. 12. P. 143).
6. On the attitude of the workers' party to religion.
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  1. +3
    28 February 2024 05: 48
    I will not hide that I was also shocked that church leaders willingly follow the lead of the authors of fakes, without bothering themselves with the simplest verification.
    Yeah, they will be surprised that people who strive for maximum power over other people using fictitious, illogical and cruel fairy tales for this will not use other, newer fairy tales; this is naive, to put it mildly.
    1. +5
      28 February 2024 06: 21
      What is not there is not there, don’t blame me. Learn materiel.
      Briefly and clearly.
  2. +14
    28 February 2024 06: 30
    This is a complex topic, even if we greatly simplify it, then Lenin’s relationship with religion should be conditionally divided into two parts.
    1) Theoretical. Lenin was a materialist and a communist (and as we know, dialectical materialism is the basis of communism). And as a materialist, he critically assessed all forms of idealism as such, and, accordingly, all religions without exception. For him, these are socially motivated forms of false consciousness. But these forms of consciousness are historically inevitable at a certain stage of human development. At the present stage of human development in the most developed and cultural countries, man (for his own and public good), according to his thoughts, must gradually chew out these forms of consciousness . Where he really did not tolerate such forms of consciousness was in the communist party (since it is called upon to become the vanguard of humanity).
    2) Practical. Regarding the attitude towards церкви , and not to religion, then it was pragmatic and varied depending on the country, its level of development, the specific moment, the relationship of social and class forces at that moment. The acute and tragic conflict that the Soviet regime had with the church was not predetermined either by the ideology of socialism (in Cuba it was easily avoided) or by Lenin’s guidelines. There were other reasons.
    As for the slander of modern churchmen, everything here is boring to the point of yawning.
    a) Direct material interest of the church. b) No less direct interest of the modern authorities of the Russian Federation, who, being absolutely atheistic (much more atheistic than the Soviet regime), are extremely interested in supporting the churchmen (and they don’t care which Christians or Muslims) in order to retain power and property.
    1. +5
      29 February 2024 23: 10
      The conflict with the church occurred not only (or maybe not so much?) in the Soviet regime. After the February Revolution, when the Soviets were unheard of, peasant pogroms began against landowners' estates and churches. Some landowners and priests were simply dealt with. This means that they deserved it in some way (though not all of them; the “good” landowners and priests were not touched).
      1. +1
        7 March 2024 13: 49
        shikin
        And you will also remember Pushkin’s fairy tale “About the priest and his worker Balda” - From the first click the priest jumped up to the ceiling.
        There was even a word then - “world eater” - that’s what they called priests
  3. +24
    28 February 2024 06: 35
    In 1922, a huge disaster awaited the Soviet government - famine occurred. Desperately seeking funds to purchase food abroad, a special decree was issued to confiscate church valuables. At the same time, the state tried to approach the solution of problems based on the interests of all parties.
    Don’t you want to remember the Mamantovo raid in 1919? Here is the entry in the white newspaper “Priazovsky Krai” dated August 27, 1919:
    All rears and councils were destroyed. We send greetings, bring rich gifts to family and friends, 60 million rubles to the military treasury. General Denikin rejoiced in response to this report: He brought enormous valuable booty. What was there in it - thousands of gold and silver items, icons in gold frames, church vessels, pearls and diamonds. Where did these church values ​​come from in Mamontov's train? It's simple - he completely robbed about 80 churches. He didn’t rob, as they would say now, but saved valuables from the Bolshevik villains. Yep.
    1. +11
      28 February 2024 09: 13
      Quote: parusnik
      It's simple - he completely robbed about 80 churches. He didn’t rob, as they would say now, but saved valuables from the Bolshevik villains. Yep.

      Yeah, “save” it, and a little later sell it as scrap to the Americans, so that you have something to spend later in Istanbul and Sofia, in Paris and Harbin... Wrangel there also “earned a lot of money” from the “expropriation” of cathedrals...
      1. 0
        13 May 2024 23: 15
        Cristo no tenía donde reclinar la cabeza y sus adoradores viven rodeados de objetos de valor y rayando en la opulencia mientras siguen febrilmente acumulando bienes materiales, muchos de ellos, pura idolatría.
        Muy cristiano no parece eso.
    2. +15
      28 February 2024 10: 54
      Yes, I know about this raid, and how the Czechoslovaks robbed the gold reserves of the Russian Empire, and how Wrangel, together with his allies, stole steamships, not to mention the plunder of Russia by the allies. But given the small volume of the article, it is impossible to provide even a hundredth of the facts. Do you agree?
    3. +14
      28 February 2024 11: 50
      Quote: parusnik
      It's simple - he completely robbed about 80 churches. He didn’t rob, as they would say now, but saved valuables from the Bolshevik villains. Yep.
      Absolutely right, for it is said: JUDGE THEM BY THEIR WORKS. Whites were mostly the vanguard of Western colonialists...punishers of their own people...
    4. +6
      28 February 2024 15: 27
      Quote: parusnik
      Where did these church values ​​in Mamontov's train come from?

      Troubles. Cossacks. Church robbery. Nothing has changed in three hundred years. request
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      1. +2
        1 March 2024 03: 21
        And during the Empire, there were even non-believing chief prosecutors of the Russian Orthodox Church..... And they didn’t rob anything. Cossack believers served Hitler during the Second World War. And it’s like nothing, right?
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          1. 0
            3 March 2024 10: 22
            The extermination of the Cossacks as a class was Trotsky’s idea, not Stalin’s, but regarding the looting of churches by whites, were they lying to themselves in their press?
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              1. P
                +1
                5 March 2024 06: 30
                I suggest using Kolobok and Chicken Ryaba as a source; these materials are equivalent. Further, the Cossacks lived quite well in the Union. They were not a class and did not have special rights, as it should be
                1. 0
                  5 March 2024 08: 16
                  this shows how serious an opponent you are here.
                  And comrade Stalin physically destroyed the Cossacks, there were 11 Cossack troops, not a single one remained, for example the Orenbur Cossack army, Lake Borovoe army, the village of Kuturkul is my homeland, now there are not even Russians there, let alone Cossacks.
  4. -25
    28 February 2024 07: 07
    The title of the article simply aroused “fiery” interest, and the hopes were justified - the author is simply “having a blast”
    Dear author, V.I. Lenin hated the Church with some kind of fierce, demonic hatred, which can be discussed here.
    And, good advice - don’t get carried away with reading all the writings that Professor Osipov composes, otherwise there will simply be complete chaos in your head.
    1. +14
      28 February 2024 10: 55
      Apparently, a demonic fire is simply burning in you, otherwise there would not be such anger, not based on any fact
      1. -11
        28 February 2024 11: 04
        Quote: roosei
        Apparently, a demonic fire is simply burning in you, otherwise there would not be such anger

        Well said, in a Christian way.
        And who doesn’t have this very demonic fire burning? All people, believers, Marxists, and atheists. There are no kind people, as such, there are good people, or those who mistakenly consider themselves kind, or “mow” themselves as such.
        1. -3
          29 February 2024 08: 51
          Quote: bober1982
          And who doesn’t have this very demonic fire burning?
          That is, this demonic fire burns among the churchmen too? How else, where does the silver and gold come from in the churches, why don’t the “servants of God” follow the commandments of Christ? The fact of the matter is that faith and religion are not the same thing; clergy have essentially become “pimps of faith,” arrogating to themselves the right to truth and the monopoly of communicating with God. So they earn money on faith, although who gave them the authority to be mediators before the Creator is a big question.
          God does not need intermediaries, and existing good and evil, like light and darkness, cold and heat, are equal creations that give rise to the development of life.
          Paradise, with “eternal bliss,” is the same absurdity in priestly fairy tales as eternal orgasm in sex.
          The only positive thing that can be noted about religious cults is that, willingly or unwillingly, it is part of the culture and general mentality that unites the people. That is why Christianity is closer to some and Islam to others; the geography of religions clearly demonstrates this, as well as the fact that people invent religions to suit their nations, their customs and culture.
          God undoubtedly exists, DNA will not appear by itself, just as a computer program will not be written by itself, without a programmer.
          The whole question is why we were created, who we are to God, sheep from whom wool is sheared, pigs who are raised for meat, or goldfish that are admired. Why are souls needed, both good and evil (without a difference in potential there is no current, no movement).
          1. +1
            29 February 2024 09: 51
            Quote: Per se.
            That is, this demonic fire burns among the churchmen too? How else, where does the silver and gold come from in the churches, why do the “servants of God” not follow the commandments of Christ?

            The clergy are sinful people just like you and me, and they know this well, the great saints cried about their posthumous fate, not knowing what kind of judgment awaited them. Well, what can we say about us.
            Gold and silver in churches means love and respect for God; you might as well walk around in rags and rags.
            1. -1
              29 February 2024 10: 37
              Quote: bober1982
              great saints cried about their posthumous fate, not knowing what kind of judgment awaited them

              Vladimir, maybe they cried at the thought that their holy relics would not be buried according to Christian customs, but would be torn into pieces and displayed in front of believers, in order, again, to make a profit?
              How are clergy not sinners if at communion wine and bread are compared to drinking blood and eating flesh, how is this ritual vampirism and cannibalism combined with love for Christ and his teaching? Simply, these are the roots, each new religion declared the previous one as paganism, another as heresy, but at the same time it itself flowed from the previous one, with an invariable bloody sacrifice. So, from belief in the spirits of the lake and the holy stump, to the gods of Olympus with their “specialization”, then Christ appeared for us.
              As society develops, religion also changes, for which Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake, now a scientific fact that the Church does not dare to deny. Christ, without a doubt, is a real philosopher and humanist, a healer of his era, who was misrepresented in understandings and translations, money was made from his teachings, and power was strengthened. Konstantin and Elena successfully came to the rescue here, Byzantium rose on a new faith, gave rise to the confession, plus, based on its example, Islam was born, adapted to local customs.
              You say, gold and silver are love and respect for God, maybe with “god” - the Golden Calf? The Church is mired in vices, and the “priest on the Gelika” is already a collective image of clergy. Priests don’t need to wear “rags,” but a golden cassock doesn’t bring them closer to God, maybe it would be better if they shared with the poor and were an example of righteousness and modesty?
              For me personally, the code of the builder of communism is closer to God and the commandments of Christ than the “commandments” of the priests to endure and suffer in preparation for Paradise. At the same time, they themselves seem to prefer to have this same gold and silver, solely “out of love for God,” and here and now, and not in heaven.
              1. 0
                3 March 2024 16: 46
                You have a great mess in your head, dear....
            2. 0
              1 March 2024 04: 35
              Quote: bober1982

              Priests are sinful people just like you and me.......
              Gold and silver in churches means love and respect for God; you might as well walk around in rags and rags.

              Heh.. heh... Party workers are just as sinful people.. And their wonderful district and regional committees are a tribute to great ideas laughing What, should the Secretary of the Central Committee wear rags?
              1. +1
                1 March 2024 06: 29
                Quote: ivan2022
                And their wonderful district and regional committees are a tribute to great ideas

                District and regional committees cannot compare with golden domes and church utensils. Here, rather, there are regional committee dachas and closed feeding stations. This, among other things, led to the degradation of the party and the discrediting of socialism. However, Joseph Vissarionovich had gold only on the shoulder straps of the generalissimo in his clothes, and lived very modestly. The degradation of the party began after his death. Who is now in United Russia, the new party in power? All the same opportunists who destroyed the CPSU, renegades who discredited the idea of ​​socialism and communism. Therefore, the topic of morality remains...

                Speeches have been heard more than once by fashionable
                Like changes are coming...
                Only as before, folk servants
                Better hosts live.
            3. 0
              7 March 2024 13: 54
              bober1982
              Protestant churches are very modest. Protestants precisely opposed the luxury and wealth in which the Catholic Church was mired. But no one wears rags either
      2. 0
        29 February 2024 09: 01
        No facts. In addition to thousands of bombed churches and repressed priests.
    2. -1
      1 March 2024 03: 23
      Quote: bober1982
      V.I. Lenin hated some kind of Church... .
      How is it known?
      Were you sitting under his bed?
    3. P
      +1
      5 March 2024 06: 27
      hated him so much that he handed over the buildings and objects of worship to the believers themselves. I removed the parasite with pleasure, yes. I partially confiscated the valuables, yes. But many rulers did this. But the fact that he wrested education, registration and other government functions from the hands of the parasite and transferred them to self-sufficiency is why they hate him.
  5. +4
    28 February 2024 07: 11
    Very interesting material, Andrey! You should always rely on documents and these are the best arguments against any lie. It's just a pity... not all archives are open and accessible. There is no access to Hitler's archive, but it is kept with us. WWII documents, many of them, are being declassified right now. We won! So what prevented them from opening, say, in 1975, 85, 95... Now 2025 is coming... But I read that they will be closed until 2045. What is the point? And then we are still surprised that young people are not interested in history. But she doesn’t really like the old one, she wants to add something of her own to it. But as? So the flag is in your hands, Andrey, and continue to write the same articles in the future!
    1. +10
      28 February 2024 07: 20
      Quote: kalibr
      But I read that they will be closed until 2045. What is the point?
      What’s the point of hiding information about Hess’s flight to Scotland, since more than 80 years have passed? What about the Kennedy assassination? And what about the case of the actress Chekhova, who was supposed to contribute to the murder of Hitler? And there are many such examples
      1. 0
        28 February 2024 09: 24
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        What’s the point of hiding information about Hess’s flight to Scotland, since more than 80 years have passed? What about the Kennedy assassination? And what about the case of the actress Chekhova, who was supposed to contribute to the murder of Hitler? And there are many such examples

        Why do we need THEIR EXAMPLES? Why do we always point out HOW THERE IS, and take far from the best examples from “them”? Fuck this! Let's talk not about how it is "there", but HOW WE WILL DO GOOD HERE.
        1. +3
          28 February 2024 09: 30
          Quote: kalibr
          Why do we need THEIR EXAMPLES? Why do we always point out HOW THERE IS, and take far from the best examples from “them”?
          These are not examples at all, but common practice when you need to hide something from the public
          1. 0
            28 February 2024 11: 48
            Quote: Dutchman Michel
            simple practice

            Bad practice, anti-people in essence. What did Lenin say about the masses who know everything and go to work consciously? And unconsciously - this is to the sheep!
            1. +2
              28 February 2024 13: 19
              Quote: kalibr
              Bad practice, anti-people in essence
              This practice protects the state, and therefore the people, from the consequences of some uninformed government decisions
    2. +6
      28 February 2024 10: 58
      Sometimes the opening of documents is prohibited by certain facts, such as state secrets. It is not for nothing that the materials of the operation “Berezino” and “Monasterb” are still classified as “secret”. But many materials could actually be declassified. Show the role of the “allies” in bringing the Fuhrer to power
  6. -16
    28 February 2024 08: 06
    Some reasoning in the article is nonsense!!! There is the fact of the destruction of Orthodoxy in the country in the year of Communism, and the killing of hundreds of thousands of citizens of the country who served in churches! Now there are some other insinuations about this fact, this is all - blurring the eyes!!!
    1. +11
      28 February 2024 10: 59
      Be so kind as to provide documents. Otherwise, barking without facts is a sign of stupidity, don’t complain
    2. 0
      7 March 2024 13: 57
      RusGr
      How do you know? Did they personally kill “hundreds of thousands of citizens in churches”?
  7. +2
    28 February 2024 08: 10
    Take, for example, Alexey Ilyich Osipov, whose videos I enjoy watching on the Internet. He gives explanations on church practice, on the interpretation of the New and Old Testaments, based not only on the meaning of these great books, but also citing facts of worldly life and global culture. For me, A.I. Osipov is one of the highly gifted figures who educate the peoples of our country.

    Have you ever wondered why the history of mankind has a great variety of faiths and religions throughout its history? And I can explain it to you. It is a person’s weak mental abilities that give rise to inexplicable fears.
    What is it that Alexey Osipov preaches that is so sacred with such zeal and enthusiasm, as if he was personally present at the events of two thousand years ago? Where does such knowledge come from that neither Jesus himself nor the apostles could convey to him?
    For example, it seems very strange to me that the Jewish people easily gave humanity the real God, and in Russia there were followers for whom this confession became a panacea for ills...
    Slave confession, slave psychology. And the idea of ​​asking God, who, in principle, does not need anything, by lighting candles, buying “something” (making gratuitous donations) with real money, looks very unsightly... The same Osipov did not explain what it is: “God’s things are God’s,” and to Caesar what is Caesar’s” - and why things happen differently in life...
    Most likely, there are great forces in the Universe whose actions are beyond the control of the human mind. No matter how far we go, we began to consider the Moon as a source of income:
    On the Moon, where there is no atmosphere, helium-3 from the solar wind and the interplanetary medium reaches the surface and is stored in the regolith.
    According to various estimates, its content in lunar soil can be from 0,5 to 2,5 million tons. This energy source would be enough for the population of our planet for five thousand years. And the price of one gram of helium-3 today is 17,5 thousand dollars.

    As for Lenin, I can only say that the volumes he wrote are evidence of his knowledge and wisdom.
    What are they telling us today? That's right...Watch "Spas TV" and "Soyuz" and you will be happy in the afterlife...But no one will know about it and no one will be able to check...
    1. -4
      28 February 2024 08: 21
      weak mental abilities of a person give rise to inexplicable fears

      Many scientists were believers (Newton, Pascal).
      And the materialists - the Marxists - the Bolsheviks came up with a new religion - the veneration of their leader, built a ziggurat for him and placed figures in all the cities... and in what ways are they more intelligent than the pagans who worshiped idols? And most importantly, why???
      1. +2
        28 February 2024 08: 41
        Quote: Vladimir80
        And most importantly, why???

        What is the correct answer? These are symbols of the ideas of communism. Pillars of ideology. If a person loses the meaning of life, he becomes an animal. BUT!!! No one forced them to light candles or make gratuitous donations... The very idea of ​​a socialist image is real, because it is based on social justice. And it differs from Religion in that it offers a fair and decent life in the present tense...
        I myself believe in God. But I don’t go to the Temple and don’t fast. I don’t see the need for this, and God hardly needs it. Something closer to me is this:
        1. +1
          28 February 2024 09: 37
          If a person loses the meaning of life, he becomes an animal

          And if the whole point of a modern person’s life is to eat better and sleep longer, to work less and have more pleasure - then what can we say about it???
      2. 0
        7 March 2024 14: 04
        Vladimir80
        Newton was also a clergyman. This is not surprising, because the most educated people were in the church. Actually, universities also appeared within the church. But then the Enlightenment, which resulted in materialism and communism, finally rejected religious ideas.
        By the way, many popes were accused of not believing in God - it would seem...
        By the way, Lenin was in every possible way against his cult of personality, but this cult was created by the PEOPLE, and not by the Bolsheviks. When Lenin died, people came to him for 3 days to say goodbye.
        And what kind of religion did the Bolsheviks invent? Maybe someone wanted it, but it doesn’t look like a religion - there are no attributes.
        Monuments, in general, were erected to great people. If you did something great, they would give it to you... And so, all that remains is to envy...
    2. +2
      28 February 2024 09: 26
      Quote: ROSS 42
      But no one will know about it and no one will be able to check...

      My article about Ancient Egypt will be coming soon. There, “The Harpist’s Song” will be given as an epigraph. Everything is said very well there.
    3. -3
      28 February 2024 10: 29
      Quote: ROSS 42
      weak mental abilities of a person give rise to inexplicable fears
      Weak human mental abilities give rise to primitive atheistic “explanations” of the origin of religion and thousands of years of its existence, starting with the Neanderthals, who made ritual burials, which indicates a developed form of belief. They are designed for proletarians, for whom a tavern is dearer than a temple.
      1. 0
        28 February 2024 13: 14
        Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
        They are designed for proletarians, for whom a tavern is dearer than a temple.

        And I see the broad knowledge that has been spreading for the last quarter of a century from the heads of the enlightened into the heads unencumbered by theory, through hands that know the secrets of physical labor. And, if we assume that the proletarians do not drink, or drink noticeably less than those slackers who are used to earning their living in a big way by producing nothing but waste...
        Maybe you really deny biological decomposition? Or do you prefer reincarnation?
        With God!
        1. -4
          28 February 2024 13: 27
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Maybe you really deny biological decomposition?
          Not on your nelly. It is you who deny that a person has an immortal soul, the future of which depends on the righteousness (honesty, justice, humanity) of his earthly life. Honest and kind people do not feel worse from such a faith, but deceitful and cruel people cannot accept it, but try to pass themselves off as smart in front of “stupid” believers.
          1. +2
            28 February 2024 13: 37
            Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
            Honest and kind people are not made worse off by such a faith, but deceitful and cruel people cannot accept it.

            And ordinary citizens do not canonize bloody murderers according to the principle of some special royal breed.
            Millions of sinners lived in worldly life, whose intelligence, talent and deeds glorified the activities of mankind. And hundreds of dubious occupations of people are ranked as saints due to death for... We will leave the reasons, because Lenin himself did not write down all the sins before the Church...
            Has something changed in the lives of ordinary people due to the massive construction of churches? Are there fewer murderers, rapists, thieves, and scammers? Or is it God’s providence to place at the helm of the country people whose conscience has been tested by the Oath to a godless state, the adoption of an ungodly party program and false public promises?
            1. -6
              28 February 2024 14: 05
              Quote: ROSS 42
              And ordinary citizens do not canonize bloody murderers according to the principle of some special royal breed.
              Nicholas 2 and his family were canonized as passion-bearers, killed without trial only because they were born heirs to the throne, and the Bolsheviks were afraid of losing power, seized by an armed coup.
            2. +2
              29 February 2024 08: 44
              Regarding canonization, it is typical: the Royal family is canonized, while those executed along with them are not canonized.
            3. 0
              29 February 2024 09: 08
              Quote: ROSS 42
              And ordinary citizens do not canonize bloody murderers according to the principle of some special royal breed.

              Of course not. “Ordinary citizens” canonize bloody murderers based on their membership in the Communist Party.
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          3. +1
            7 March 2024 14: 11
            Stanislav_Shishkin
            Is it okay that many churches in Russia were built with gangster money? And there will be more believers among them than among non-criminal people.
            Religiosity and decency have nothing to do with each other, and they should not be confused.
            Example. I have encountered different women in my life. And I noticed an amazing pattern: the more dishonest she behaves, the more often she goes to church
        2. -1
          29 February 2024 06: 33
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
          They are designed for proletarians, for whom a tavern is dearer than a temple.
          And, if we assume that proletarians don’t drink
          You might assume that the earth is flat as a pancake. I know that proletarians are different: there are proletarians - specialists, whom the bourgeois value more than socialist leaders, since they see direct benefits from their work, and there are proletarians for whom a tavern is nicer than a temple, about whom I wrote. If you understand, nod.
          1. 0
            29 February 2024 08: 45
            for whom a tavern is dearer than a temple

            These are not proletarians, these are lumpen
            1. 0
              29 February 2024 08: 58
              Quote: Ady66
              These are not proletarians, these are lumpen
              laughing
              Arise, branded with a curse, The whole world of hungry and slaves
              Is this about a proletarian engineer who sells his labor to a capitalist, about a skilled worker, or about a lumpen who is also a proletarian?
              1. 0
                29 February 2024 09: 08
                The lumpen proletariat does not belong to workers, employees, engineers or any other category - it is a state of mind or rather complete lack of spirituality.
              2. +1
                29 February 2024 09: 10
                PS For a year, while studying in the evening department, I worked in a team of loaders, where about a third of my colleagues were typical Soviet lumpen-proletarians.
    4. +6
      28 February 2024 11: 00
      Let's proceed from the principles of Vladimir Ilyich - everyone is free to profess what he wants
      1. +2
        28 February 2024 13: 17
        Let's proceed from the principles of logical thinking and the availability of concrete evidence. But to believe in them or not is a personal matter... Otherwise we will slide into the necessary zombification of humanity for a good purpose...
        1. -2
          28 February 2024 13: 48
          Quote: ROSS 42
          we will slide into the necessary zombification of humanity for a good purpose
          They slipped into this at the end of the 19th century in order to zombify the believing German proletarians and raise them up in a civil war against the bourgeoisie, which would ignite new civil wars in all countries of the world, so that a world revolution would take place, which would completely destroy the social institutions of enslavement: family, private property and the state.
          1. +1
            28 February 2024 13: 55
            Don't collect Trotsky's slogans. The world revolution was supposed to change the ideas of working people (people of productive labor) about good kings and fair factory owners. This is not a call to take away and divide according to thieves’ principles. The process of creation and the process of accumulation is long and difficult. Moneylenders and bourgeoisie have come up with ways to shorten this path for a separate group of owners. And the church contributed to instilling in a person a sense of servility and humility (God endured and commanded us) ...
            Let's finish this topic of oral Jewish folk art.
            1. +1
              29 February 2024 06: 59
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Don't collect Trotsky's slogans.
              Let's go straight from Trotsky to the primary sources. Are you talking about the “Manifesto of the Communist Party” and Engels’ work “The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State”?
              Quote: ROSS 42
              Let's finish this topic of oral Jewish folk art.
              I didn't start it, finish it.
  8. +2
    28 February 2024 08: 25
    . Osipov is one of the highly gifted figures who educate the people of our country.

    They say that Vladimir Ilyich was very simple. He simply gave land to the peasants, factories to the workers and peace to all the peoples inhabiting our large country.
    1. -6
      28 February 2024 08: 33
      , Vladimir Ilyich was very simple. He simply gave land to the peasants, factories to the workers and peace to all the peoples inhabiting our large country.

      You are an intelligent person, why write lies? Where did the workers become co-owners of the factories, and the peasants of the land??? Everything was different; under these slogans, the Soviet state became the owner of “everything” within the country.
      1. +10
        28 February 2024 08: 43
        Quote: Vladimir80
        the owners of “everything” within the country became Soviet state.

        Now there is a decent distance and difference of interests between the state and ordinary people. After all, the state reflects the interests of the ruling class. But in Soviet classless times it was different.

        I had a book when I was a child. It was called "The State is us." By the way, this was Lenin’s phrase at the XI Party Congress in 1922.
        1. 0
          28 February 2024 09: 45
          “When I was a child, I had a book. It was called “The State is Us.””

          At least the majority of people believed it. Now such a principle is not even declared. And this is understandable - capitalism.
          The times of socialism have passed for a long time, so it would be better to focus efforts on improving people's lives under capitalism rather than on fruitless dreams.
          The workers missed their chance, another one will not come soon.
        2. -1
          28 February 2024 11: 27
          Quote: Stas157
          But in Soviet classless times it was different.

          Good joke!
        3. +1
          29 February 2024 10: 00
          Quote: Stas157
          But in classless Soviet times it was different... “The state is us.” By the way, this was Lenin’s phrase at the XI Party Congress in 1922.
          Not very far from the thesis of Louis XIV: “The State is me.” Classes in Soviet society were and were called “non-antagonistic.” And the CPSU is the “guiding and guiding force.” Lenin did not address all communists - the “avant-garde of the working class,” but a select few. Even earlier, he could think to himself in the words of Louis, because he did not see the builders of a new state in his associates, but he gave Trotsky all government structures capable of transferring the flame of revolution to Europe. These “first of the first” - “avant-garde” - in the later times of the USSR already had a very good (albeit petty-bourgeois) standard of living and so wanted not so much to go to Europe, but to live like the big bourgeoisie, who disposed of the state at their own discretion .
      2. +12
        28 February 2024 08: 48
        Where did the workers become co-owners of the factories, and the peasants of the land???
        What kind of state was it? Workers' and Peasants'...And did the Bolsheviks take away the land from the peasants? And after 1991, the benefactors distributed the land taken from them to the peasants? Explain why the main farmland is currently owned by five Russian land oligarchs?
        1. +4
          28 February 2024 08: 58
          What kind of state was it? Workers' and Peasants'

          And now the Constitution says that the Russian Federation is a social state, but these are all words, paper will endure anything
          1. +4
            28 February 2024 09: 21
            Russian Federation social state
            - This is a model of a state whose policy is aimed at the redistribution of material wealth. And did you receive a lot of material benefits through distribution? smile
        2. +4
          28 February 2024 09: 34
          Quote: kor1vet1974
          Explain why the main farmland is currently owned by five Russian land oligarchs?

          Because the state allowed the sale of arable land...
          And how do you like this:
          1. +2
            28 February 2024 09: 38
            The state allowed the sale of arable land..
            .And they all sold it in joy..And then they went back to the same place, to the one who bought it to work. We have arable land that is simply resold, but not cultivated. (The video does not open)
        3. -1
          28 February 2024 10: 57
          Quote: kor1vet1974
          Did the Bolsheviks take away the land from the peasants? And after 1991, the benefactors distributed the land taken from them to the peasants?
          For example, Grudinin lost a large piece of the “golden mile” of the Moscow region, from which he sold off common land plots without notifying other shareholders. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation even nominated him for president money communist beliefs, only he forgot about some of his accounts in foreign banks.
          1. +3
            28 February 2024 12: 10
            Tkachev suffered a lot, and even in Crimea, in addition to lands in the Krasnodar Territory... True, he does not interfere with the presidency because of accounts in foreign banks, his children live abroad
          2. 0
            28 February 2024 16: 17
            Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
            His Communist Party of the Russian Federation even put forward communist beliefs for president for money

            In vain they put forward! In Russia the slogan is not for money and not for beliefs.......If it were like that, it would be great progress......In Russia the only slogan is: "...And for whom else?..."
            1. -1
              29 February 2024 10: 37
              Quote: ivan2022
              In Russia the only slogan is: "...And for whom else?..."
              You probably got it mixed up with the USSR; there we had no choice, but there was an uncontested vote, if you remember.
              1. -1
                29 February 2024 10: 59
                What about voting against? There is always a choice. For those who are capable of self-organization. Thieves, bandits and obvious traitors also seemed to have “no choice,” but they took power in 1991.
                1. -1
                  29 February 2024 11: 18
                  Quote: ivan2022
                  What about voting against? There is always a choice.
                  How could I, a young Soviet guy, vote against a candidate whose photo I first saw in the newspaper next to an idyllic description of his career? Think for yourself.
                  1. 0
                    29 February 2024 14: 49
                    Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                    Quote: ivan2022
                    What about voting against? There is always a choice.
                    How could I, a young Soviet guy, vote against a candidate whose photo I first saw in the newspaper next to an idyllic description of his career? ....

                    So were you a sincere supporter of the CPSU or not? I realized that you were deceived...And then, as is usual with our compatriots, “the eyes opened” and...... Well, this is the usual state of our people, who all their lives either close or open their eyes....the next stage of yours development was, of course, during the time of privatization.... You are what you were, and will remain so and will never change. BUT what do the ideas of communism and Soviet democracy have to do with it? Understand, this is generally “from a different opera.” And these ideas are of no interest to you, because you haven’t read a single book from beginning to end......then what are your complaints about them?
                    1. -1
                      29 February 2024 15: 34
                      Quote: ivan2022
                      Were you a sincere supporter of the CPSU or not?
                      You can compose as much as you like, but the word “absolutely” doesn’t make you look like a seer. I was not a supporter of the CPSU at all. I wrote about the photo of a candidate for city council, etc. You piled up a bunch of lies and nonsense, as usual.
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                      2. 0
                        29 February 2024 15: 53
                        Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                        Quote: ivan2022
                        Were you a sincere supporter of the CPSU or not?
                        You can compose as much as you like, but the word “absolutely” doesn’t make you look like a seer. I was not a supporter of the CPSU at all. I wrote about the photo of a candidate for city council, etc. You piled up a bunch of lies and nonsense, as usual.

                        Refute logically and specifically. Where did I say about the “seer”? Are you out of your mind, my dear?
                        If you followed propaganda at all times, and then your eyes were regularly “opened”, your problems. But neither Soviet nor cadet power, nor any power at all.

                        You write one thing; “In the USSR I made my choice...”, then another; “how could I vote against if I saw the photo.”..... In general, you have to be not quite full-fledged in order to determine from a photo who you should vote for and who you shouldn’t. hi
                      3. -2
                        29 February 2024 15: 58
                        At least choke: you’ll have less time to lie in other comments. Liars try to “look logical”, and this is why your logic suffers.
                      4. 0
                        1 March 2024 03: 57
                        Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                        You piled up a bunch of lies and nonsense, as usual.

                        As the writer said, “Ostap got carried away”... laughing or something like that.
                        Making labels on your opponents is your second profession? Or the first?

                        I see that there was another “sage” who, with great intelligence, saw the troubles of the people NOT from thieves and traitors, but from the ideas of justice......
                        It is said about such people: “Do not give what is sacred to the dogs..... For they will turn and trample...”
                2. -1
                  29 February 2024 11: 28
                  Quote: ivan2022
                  There is always a choice.
                  In the USSR, I made my choice - not to participate in this bad representation of my will.
                  1. -1
                    29 February 2024 14: 32
                    Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                    Quote: ivan2022
                    There is always a choice.
                    In the USSR, I made my choice - not to participate in this bad representation of my will.

                    So be logical. Don't even participate in this forum. In a sense, the air will be cleaner.
                    1. -2
                      29 February 2024 15: 45
                      Quote: ivan2022
                      So be logical. Don't even participate in this forum.
                      You are in complete trouble with logic if you find analogies between the forum and the Soviet vote. Here they even give pros and cons (sane, but silent participants) for agreeing or disagreeing with the comment. And it starts to infuriate you when there are no arguments, and proceed to direct throwing of feces. Is this for “air purity”?
                      1. 0
                        1 March 2024 03: 38
                        Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                        Quote: ivan2022
                        So be logical. Don't even participate in this forum.
                        You are in complete trouble with logic if you find analogies between the forum and the Soviet vote. Here they even give pros and cons (sane, but silent participants) for agreeing or disagreeing with the comment. And it starts to infuriate you when there are no arguments, and proceed to direct throwing of feces. Is this for “air purity”?
                        And I just don’t have a reason to get angry when I see that I’m right.
                        There is nothing to cover for you and such “participants”! And it really pisses you off. So they give “silent” minuses.

                        A society that is unable to resist thieves and traitors will inevitably disappear. And it will become a breeding ground for others. No matter how much they rage, go mad, and look in their delirium for “the red gentleman to blame for everything.” . Here this is what pisses you all off
              2. -1
                29 February 2024 11: 15
                Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                Quote: ivan2022
                In Russia the only slogan is: "...And for whom else?..."
                You probably got it mixed up with the USSR; there we had no choice, but there was an uncontested vote, if you remember.
                1. 0
                  29 February 2024 11: 24
                  I didn't mix anything up. The slogan "..And for whom else..?" I have heard and read many times since the time of “Tsar Boris”.
      3. +10
        28 February 2024 09: 14
        And the truth is very simple. The question is not in the form of ownership, but in whose favor the profit is alienated. Is not it? Well, so in whose favor did the profit go in the Soviet state? Isn't it the people? Then - what are we talking about?
        1. 0
          28 February 2024 09: 34
          in whose favor did the profit go in the Soviet state? Isn't it the people?

          For the benefit of the people? So I remember my grandmother, the Kingdom of Heaven to her, after 91. there was a stack of loan bonds left (from the 60s), which turned into just paper... And I also understand that part of the funds earned by the ordinary Soviet people went to the countries of Africa, Asia, to the establishment of social power in Afghanistan, to the CMEA and other harmful projects ....
          1. +9
            28 February 2024 09: 39
            You have some very strange understanding of profit... Definitely in the form of a stocking with banknotes. And what - free housing, medicine, education, roads, recreation, etc., etc. - do not count?? And what does the Soviet government and the actions of its liquidators have to do with it??

            Yah?? Why then are our smart bourgeoisie still building everything they can on credit in all these same countries? Clearly understanding that they will never be given back? Avon - how many nuclear power plants have we set up? And everything is on your own, by the way. Why does the West pour loans into the former CMEA countries? How much has been pumped into Poland alone! What do you think - why is all this? Ass?
            1. 0
              28 February 2024 09: 58
              And what - free housing, medicine, education, roads, recreation, etc., etc. - do not count??

              You know, my parents were not very lucky with this - the organizations in which they worked did not provide free housing, vacation, or pioneer camps...
              1. +6
                28 February 2024 10: 02
                I have a very strange feeling from communicating with you - we were definitely born in the same country?? Because for me, and absolutely all my friends, for some reason all this happened... Maybe you just forgot because of how long ago it was? Or are you just being cunning?
                1. 0
                  28 February 2024 10: 10
                  Maybe you just forgot due to the passage of time? Or are you just being cunning?

                  The fact of the matter is that I’m not lying... people just have the ability to “idealize” something of their own, material... and when all this material disappears, then a person is left only with memories of the “happy past”
                  1. +4
                    28 February 2024 10: 15
                    Well, here I am - I have three rubles from my native plant. Two years in a sanatorium in Pitsunda after contracting severe pneumonia at the age of 7. Direction to Polytechnic from the plant. And so on and so forth... Everything, everything I have in life was given to me by the Soviet government. What did the bourgeoisie give me? Nothing other than extortions...
                    1. 0
                      28 February 2024 10: 21
                      Everything, everything I have in life was given to me by Soviet power

                      strange, my parents gave me almost everything (in material terms)...
                      1. +1
                        28 February 2024 11: 18
                        Hmm... And the parents - where did they get everything from?
                    2. -5
                      28 February 2024 11: 44
                      Quote: paul3390
                      Two years in a sanatorium in Pitsunda after contracting severe pneumonia at the age of 7. Direction to Polytechnic from the plant. And so on and so forth...

                      The sanatoriums were not for rural teachers, like my wife and I, and not for ordinary teachers of the history of the CPSU and lecturers of the Republic of Kazakhstan and OK, again ordinary ones. Only for the big shots. I wrote about my difficulties with medicine. The apartment was received for demolition of the house. That is, no one gave me everything that I have in life - unlike you, I snatched everything from power, with my intelligence and cunning. I wrote about this too. What did the bourgeoisie give me? Excellent treatment. Publications in Australia, England, Czech Republic, USA, Japan. Publishing books in England, Germany and Singapore. Grants from the Russian Humanitarian Foundation, which were completely absent in the USSR. Excellent service in my current holiday destinations. Freedom to visit Poland, the Czech Republic, Croatia, Germany, Austria, Hungary, Italy, France, Spain, and Cyprus. In the best museums in the world and the opportunity to get almost any information “from there”. And exchange it for money. I remember the crumbs of information that I had under the Soviets. Now the whole world is at my service! Agree, this is a lot. And let’s compare your profits under the Soviet Union and mine under the bourgeoisie. They'll outweigh, eh? I just needed information to become - for you, from Hong Kong. I took it, wrote it, received it... I wish I had gotten it in the USSR.
                      1. +5
                        28 February 2024 11: 53
                        Well, yes - my father, a designer of KB-3, and my mother, an engineer in one of the workshops, of course they were big shots.. Just the elite of the country.. Isn’t it funny yourself?

                        Well, enjoy your type of freedom. I'll try to get mine back.
                      2. -3
                        28 February 2024 11: 59
                        Quote: paul3390
                        Isn't it funny yourself?

                        You have your own life, Pavel, I have mine. Something to laugh about. I respect your life experience. Why don't you respect mine?
                        Quote: paul3390
                        I'll try to get mine back.

                        For whom am I publishing articles about PR here? Without money or help from above, I made the whole region do things my way. What will happen to the money, specialists, and... the forces of the Russian Guard? Forget even thinking about it. You will need to know and be able to do too much in order to bring our era even a little closer. And all my imagination is not enough to imagine how you personally will take on this. This is where I start to feel funny. But I don’t laugh. I feel sorry for smart and well-read people who believe in fairy tales.
                      3. +2
                        28 February 2024 13: 20
                        They also laughed at the Bolsheviks at the end of the 19th century - like dreamers...
                      4. -6
                        28 February 2024 13: 59
                        Quote: paul3390
                        They also laughed at the Bolsheviks at the end of the 19th century - like dreamers...

                        Take comfort in this at least. But there is a difference. there were no video cameras, quadcopters, or six-barreled machine guns back then. And experience... what such flirtations with nakedness lead to. There was no book "1984", there was no book "Red Star". There were many things that did not exist that exist now. May the Tsar introduce the death penalty for mere membership in the Socialist Revolutionary Party and the RSDLP. and there would be no revolution.
                      5. +2
                        28 February 2024 18: 43
                        “The sanatoriums were not for rural teachers, like my wife and I, and not for ordinary teachers of the history of the CPSU and lecturers of the Republic of Kazakhstan and the OK, again ordinary ones. Only for bigwigs.”
                        “You know, my parents were not very lucky with this - the organizations in which they worked did not provide free housing, vacation, or pioneer camps...”


                        "...were we definitely born in the same country?? ... ."
                        The plant where I started working had two rest houses, one now in a NATO country, and a recreation area by the sea. And, this is in addition to the state provision of sanatoriums... .
                        Lies, the article is about the same thing.
                      6. 0
                        28 February 2024 21: 15
                        [quote=There was a Mammoth][i]"Yes, the workers had a 13th salary and vouchers to sanatoriums and apartment houses. It was necessary to show them the advantages of real socialism. Roughly speaking, they bought them as... But then they stopped buying, so they ran away from ism. And now they whine... But I had a good time in the USSR, but worse than now, and now better than then. Much better. So it has always been like this and will be: “Someone lost , and some are lucky, others are carried out feet first. We all play one way or another, because life is a game where the money is in advance." Song from the television play "Smoke Bellew and Jack the Kid."
                      7. +1
                        28 February 2024 21: 37
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Yes, the workers received the 13th salary and vouchers to sanatoriums and apartment houses.

                        So, are the workers or the bigwigs nuts? wink
                        All we had was a friendly team and a trade union.
                        I suppose you didn’t have a trade union, a party organization, or, at worst, party committees or Soviet control? wink

                        PS Oh, we also allocated one chervonets to visit a sick person. wink Added. It really rallied the teams and contributed to recovery. wink Remember how much weight 10 rubles had in the 70s.
                      8. -2
                        28 February 2024 21: 49
                        Quote: There was a mammoth
                        I suppose you didn’t have a trade union, a party organization, or, at worst, party committees or Soviet control?

                        Everything was. But it was somehow... difficult to use, or what? Mostly the wives of aging professors ran to the party committee to complain that they were looking at young students.
                2. -5
                  28 February 2024 13: 02
                  If you were born on a collective farm, would you receive trips to the sea, apartments, etc.?
                  1. +2
                    28 February 2024 13: 24
                    Would you have been born a slave in Rome?

                    Out of illiteracy, as always, you confuse warm with soft - the collective farm IS NOT a state enterprise. This is the collective property of collective farmers. Why should the state then provide them with something? How much the collective farm earns, it will distribute within itself. If he considers it necessary to send children to a sanatorium at the expense of the profit, then he will send them. If he thinks that Uncle Vasya needs a new hut, he will build it. Well, no, no, all questions are for the elected board.
                  2. 0
                    1 March 2024 04: 04
                    Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                    If you were born on a collective farm, would you receive trips to the sea, apartments, etc.?
                    We received vouchers. True, in the winter, since on the collective farm the main work is in the summer. And an apartment in the city is also not paradise.... Especially if there is a good house in the village.

                    Some people have troubles from thieves and traitors, but you, my dear, have troubles from the ideas of justice, collective farms and the State Planning Committee..... Are you in your right mind?
            2. -3
              28 February 2024 11: 11
              Quote: paul3390
              What does Soviet power and the actions of its liquidators have to do with it??
              Despite the fact that the highest elected leaders of the bodies of Soviet power became its liquidators.
              1. +1
                28 February 2024 18: 08
                Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                Quote: paul3390
                What does Soviet power and the actions of its liquidators have to do with it??
                Despite the fact that the highest elected leaders of the bodies of Soviet power became its liquidators.

                And for Christ, his disciple became a liquidator..... And who is to blame for being betrayed or who betrayed? They only betray their own...
            3. -1
              29 February 2024 09: 17
              our smart bourgeois nonecha

              Well, if you think the current Russian bourgeoisie is smart, it’s not surprising that you are a fan of the wretched socio-economic system of the Soviet Union.
          2. +8
            28 February 2024 09: 48
            Quote: Vladimir80
            So I remember my grandmother, the Kingdom of Heaven to her, after 91. there was a stack of loan bonds left

            Among our presidential candidates there is a milk sucker who recalls his difficult childhood in 1988... I also remember my childhood in the 50s, when a piece of bread with butter spread on it and sprinkled with sugar was tastier and healthier than the current cake, and a sandwich with sausage - hamburger.
            * * *
            When I was little, I also had a grandmother who worked on a state farm as a milkmaid...Then the state gave her a quarter of a brick house completely free. The water was supplied and there were 40 acres of land in use for potatoes and several acres for mowing...
            We lived cheerfully and happily until the bourgeoisie returned...
            1. 0
              28 February 2024 10: 02
              I also remember my childhood in the 50s, when a piece of bread with butter spread on it and sprinkled with sugar was tastier and healthier than the current cake, and a sandwich with sausage was a hamburger

              my parents lived poorer in the 50s, there was just a piece of bread sprinkled with sugar (to prevent sugar from falling onto the bread, a few drops of water were dripped)
              1. -3
                28 February 2024 11: 37
                Quote: Vladimir80
                it was just a piece of bread sprinkled with sugar (to prevent sugar from falling onto the bread, a few drops of water were dripped)
                In the early 60s we called it “cake”: children’s imagination increased the degree of pleasure.
                1. +1
                  1 March 2024 04: 13
                  Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                  In the early 60s we called it “cake”: children’s imagination increased the degree of pleasure.
                  Are you furious and hate the Soviet “red master” because he didn’t personally feed you cakes, like in the United States?

                  In the early 60s it was only 15 years after the War.... And in the early 70s cakes became cakes. And from natural products. Not like today...
          3. +1
            28 February 2024 09: 56
            other malicious projects...
            Now, there are no harmful projects like CMEA, VD, and those that are now simply working for the benefit, and there are only two friends nearby, the army and the navy and that’s all..
            1. +2
              28 February 2024 10: 04
              There are only enemies all around, friends are only those who are next to you in the rank of the phalanx! (c)
              1. +1
                28 February 2024 10: 13
                I'm talking about this, somehow it's a phalanx and not a phalanx...
          4. 0
            28 February 2024 16: 23
            Quote: paul3390
            Well, so in whose favor did the profit go in the Soviet state? Isn't it the people? Then - what are we talking about?


            Quote: Vladimir80
            For the benefit of the people? So I remember my grandmother, the Kingdom of Heaven to her, after 91. There was a stack of loan bonds left (from the 60s), which turned into just paper.

            Grandmother did not take into account that the CPSU was banned back in 1991, right before the division of the Soviet state....Your grandmother should have moved her brain faster and thought about where everything was going, and not sit on the packs..
          5. +1
            29 February 2024 10: 59
            Quote: Vladimir80
            part of the funds earned by the ordinary Soviet people went to the countries of Africa, Asia, to the establishment of social power in Afghanistan, to the CMEA and other harmful projects....
            The only thing I would disagree with is Afghanistan. This was a project akin to the Northern Military District: the United States was preparing to move its base there from Pakistan.
          6. -1
            5 March 2024 11: 32
            What about almost free housing, kindergartens, sanatoriums and dispensaries? and completely free education and medicine? What about free clubs for children? almost free summer camps? oh, you critic, you teach materiel
    2. 0
      28 February 2024 16: 11
      Quote: Stas157
      They say that Vladimir Ilyich was very simple.

      They say that chickens are milked. laughing
    3. 0
      29 February 2024 07: 41
      Quote: Stas157
      Vladimir Ilyich... simply gave... peace to all the peoples inhabiting our large country.
      Are you talking about Civil? Straight out from Orwell you say: “Peace is war.”
      1. +1
        29 February 2024 07: 57
        Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
        Are you talking about Civil?

        That's how your whites started it. Moreover, the Entente was invited!
        1. -1
          29 February 2024 08: 02
          Quote: Stas157
          Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
          Are you talking about Civil?

          That's how your whites started it. Moreover, the Entente was invited!
          I see the rhetoric of hoxloreich. The war in Ukraine was also “started by the Donetsk people, and they even invited Russia”? Or part of the people of Ukraine did not accept the armed coup in Kyiv. Decide.
          1. -1
            29 February 2024 08: 05
            Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
            I see the rhetoric of hoxloreich.

            This is not for me. She's closer to you.
            1. 0
              29 February 2024 08: 07
              The soup is baked, the stench is gone
          2. 0
            5 March 2024 11: 34
            My dear, did you study history using Ukrainian textbooks or American ones?
            1. 0
              5 March 2024 14: 31
              Quote: roosei
              My dear, did you study history using Ukrainian textbooks or American ones?
              According to textbooks and monographs, my dear. Are there any substantive objections? Or just throw it on for the smell.
  9. +3
    28 February 2024 09: 41
    Whether this is true or not is not important.

    Atheism took place as the basis of the ideology, and churches were cordoned off by vigilantes during church events.

    Often there were more vigilantes than those inside. I myself was a vigilante for time off (or 2, I don’t remember).

    Making Lenin an angel or a devil is equally unhistorical and harmful. In the end, any politician cannot be an angel by definition.
    1. +4
      28 February 2024 10: 04
      Atheism took place as the basis of the ideology, and churches were cordoned off by vigilantes during church events.
      Making Lenin an angel or a devil is equally unhistorical and harmful. In the end, any politician cannot be an angel by definition.

      very reasonable comment, thank you!
  10. +2
    28 February 2024 10: 50
    The codes of a communist and a Christian are close in content, not because the first grew out of the second, but because they were both born from the historical and cultural heritage of mankind.
    1. +1
      28 February 2024 13: 12
      “The codes of a communist and a Christian are close in content, not because the first grew out of the second, but because they were both born from the historical and cultural heritage of mankind.”

      And yet one grew out of the other. There was nothing left to grow from - communism is a European ideology, Christianity is a European religion, and those people who created communist theories and led the USSR had a European education. There was no other one.

      If you take China, you can be horrified by their moral standards, which, fortunately, we hardly know. This is a very alien value system to us. There is only one and insignificant difference between the ideologies of communism and Christianity, and there is an abyss with Chinese ideology.
      1. +3
        28 February 2024 13: 19
        I didn’t know that Jerusalem was in Europe, and Christ was a European. The birthplace of all Abrahamic religions is the agricultural crescent in the Middle East and its ancestors were not residents of Europe. Christianity came to Europe only because of the then existence of the Roman Empire.
        1. 0
          28 February 2024 14: 35
          “I didn’t know that Jerusalem was in Europe, and Christ was a European.”
          "Christianity came to Europe only because of the existence of the Roman Empire at that time."

          You yourself answered your question.
          Jerusalem was part of the Roman Empire, and European culture is the heir to the culture of this empire. From there we have law, religion, and morality - including communist, which is not very different from Christian.
          1. -1
            29 February 2024 11: 45
            What does a bridge have to do with a car? The same as the Roman Empire to Christianity. The Empire did not create Christianity, but only facilitated its spread.
            1. 0
              29 February 2024 16: 09
              The Roman Empire was the soil on which Christianity grew. On this same soil, modern civilization has grown, which some narrow-minded minds call Western.

              I would replace the word “facilitated” with the word “provided”, so it is more accurate.
    2. +1
      29 February 2024 08: 17
      Quote: Yuras_Belarus
      The codes of a communist and a Christian are close in content, not because the first grew out of the second, but because they were both born from the historical and cultural heritage of mankind.
      You jumped too high from the particular to the general. If you go back to history, the first communities of Christians were communes. In the most literal sense of the word.
  11. -1
    28 February 2024 11: 37
    Lenin himself, without realizing it, created a new religion of communism that rejected the afterlife. The archetype of God is embedded in our collective unconscious. Having removed faith in the living God, Lenin filled this vacuum with his teaching. No religion tolerates competitors. Hence such persecution of Orthodoxy and other Christian teachings.
    1. -2
      28 February 2024 12: 01
      Quote: Glock-17
      Lenin himself, without realizing it, created a new religion of communism that rejected the afterlife. The archetype of God is embedded in our collective unconscious. Having removed faith in the living God, Lenin filled this vacuum with his teaching. No religion tolerates competitors. Hence such persecution of Orthodoxy and other Christian teachings.

      Very well you said!
    2. 0
      28 February 2024 13: 08
      “Lenin himself, without realizing it, created a new religion of communism, which rejected the afterlife.”

      Why don't you understand? Do you think he didn’t know about Robespierre?

      "No religion tolerates competitors."

      Not at all. Polytheism was often very tolerant of foreign gods. But monotheism is yes, because there is one God, and this is our God.

      “Hence such persecution of Orthodoxy and other Christian teachings.”

      Don't think. Lenin was a practical man, there was a Civil War, all the ruling classes of the previous government, including the clergy, were opponents, so he destroyed them as a class. Not just Christians, but everyone.

      You should not look at Lenin as a person who was guided by some kind of ideology - on the contrary, he used ideology for his own purpose, namely to seize and retain power. This is his genius as a politician. And in this, Stalin was his faithful student - not in ideology, but in the utilitarian approach to it.
    3. 0
      28 February 2024 16: 27
      Quote: Glock-17
      Lenin himself, without realizing it, created a new religion of communism that rejected the afterlife.

      It’s very nice to talk to a person who is smarter than the founder of the RSFSR and the USSR... laughing
      But even in the 18th century, there were atheists among the chief prosecutors of the Russian Orthodox Church. Historical fact.
      And even among the ancient Jews, contemporaries of Christ, there were Sadducees who also did not believe in the afterlife. By the way, A.S. Pushkin, who, although he was neither a Sadducee nor an atheist, also very much doubted the existence of an afterlife.
      1. +1
        29 February 2024 11: 03
        So you yourself, without noticing it, attribute to Lenin the attributes of God: perfection and omniscience. But he was a mere mortal and could also make mistakes. What can we do, the school taught us that he studied with straight A's and lived on crackers and tea without sugar.
        1. -2
          29 February 2024 11: 29
          Quote: Glock-17
          So you yourself, without noticing it, attribute to Lenin the attributes of God: perfection and omniscience. But he was a mere mortal and could also make mistakes. What can we do, the school taught us that he studied with straight A's and lived on crackers and tea without sugar.

          Are being smarter than you “attributes of God”? I beg you... do not write such things here again... laughing
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  13. +1
    28 February 2024 17: 42
    Everything is stated correctly. Facts are such facts that you can slander them, but sooner or later the lie is revealed. I will add on my own behalf - during the famine of 22, the Soviet authorities began negotiations with the church hierarchs about the voluntary transfer of part of the church valuables to the famine relief fund. And they didn’t seem to mind, but they put forward such demands and conditions that you involuntarily think about the common sense of these people. Just think about the demand for compulsory teaching of the word of God in all Soviet schools. There was a lot there. Meanwhile, people were dying. Well, they didn’t want it for good, it had to be for bad. The act is completely justified even from the point of view of Christianity.
    1. +1
      28 February 2024 18: 12
      They were deprived of their legal rights. property. This is the trick.
    2. 0
      29 February 2024 08: 54
      That is, the Bolsheviks starved millions of people to death, and robbed others in order to save the first.
      And who is to blame for this, according to the local unruly brethren? Well, of course the Church! And therefore it is necessary to shoot clergy and blow up churches.
      Quote: oleg Pesotsky
      The act is completely justified even from the point of view of Christianity.
      1. 0
        29 February 2024 11: 33
        Quote: Wacht an der Spree
        That is, the Bolsheviks starved millions of people and robbed others

        Heh...heh.. Hitler wrote exactly this in the book, and then his services were written in leaflets... BUT, I must admit, he was still smarter than you. And he drew a conclusion about a mentally handicapped people who, on their own land, are not capable of creating a normal State for themselves. And you... ? Or say “B” when you said “A” - or back up... curious, what other options do you have? hi
        1. -5
          29 February 2024 12: 05
          If the red-assed people have nothing to justify their crimes, they immediately remember Hitler. Because only he was able to catch up and surpass them in killing people.
          1. +2
            29 February 2024 14: 27
            Quote: Wacht an der Spree
            If the red-assed people have nothing to justify their crimes, they immediately remember Hitler. Because only he was able to catch up and surpass them in killing people.

            Well, my dear, you didn’t answer the arguments......
            Why did the “red-assed” people commit crimes? Where is the benefit? Ration from the regional committee buffet and pants with stripes?
            And who organized the people and defeated Hitler? Do you know that only talented leaders can win such a war? And also - why?

            Then I stop throwing beads...
            because besides the crazy vysers
            I don't see anything... hi
          2. 0
            5 March 2024 11: 36
            Are you swearing? This means you feel that there is no truth behind you
  14. 0
    28 February 2024 23: 34
    I read a few church publications in the 90s...
    Liars like them are not so easy to find...

    And there are many more interesting things if you dig.
    For example, no one has ever canceled the decree on burning heretics at the stake (Radio Radonezh in the 90s, it just wasn’t used for a long time)
    1. -1
      29 February 2024 11: 38
      Quote: Max1995
      I read a few church publications in the 90s...
      Liars like them are not so easy to find...

      And there are many more interesting things if you dig.
      For example, no one has ever canceled the decree on burning heretics at the stake (Radio Radonezh in the 90s, it just wasn’t used for a long time)

      laughing ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    2. P
      0
      5 March 2024 06: 37
      The Russian Orthodox Church serves its masters in maintaining power, for which it has financial benefits, orders, handouts and the opportunity to rob real estate that never belonged to it
  15. +1
    29 February 2024 14: 18
    Without whitewashing anyone, I will say that I personally do not understand the official position of the Russian Orthodox Church at that time. The Russian Orthodox Church should be extremely grateful to the Bolsheviks for being able to cleanse itself of rubbish and slag. And it was thanks to the communists that she gained at least some authority. At the end of the reign, the church enjoyed authority only among a few. The statements of the hierarchs of those years are amazing. It's surprising that people didn't kill everyone at all.
    The clergy themselves were the first to wear a red bow in February.
    Yes, and in general, isn’t all power from God? God sent you trials in order to purify yourself and overcome them, and you call these trials an atheistic government and persecutions unprecedented since the times of Rome. We would say “thank you” for this opportunity.
    The picture of the events of the revolution and civil war was multifaceted and ambiguous. Everyone got it there. And rightly so. And for some it’s not even enough. And present yourself as some kind of particularly victimized.... It would be better if they remembered those who were slaughtered under the tsars. And child mortality.
    Although, I’m probably in vain... The Church serves any power. And she says that she likes it. Kolchak said something about artists, coachmen and some other people.
  16. +1
    2 March 2024 12: 10
    Ilyich was right, religion is the opium of the people, now the oligarchy and its henchmen are brainwashing people again, even the under-guarantor constantly appears in churches, and Shoigu for 6 billion destroyed a temple that was useless for the country’s defense, they could build ships for the fleet or modernize shipyards (although We could have bought a lot of things we needed) but no....
  17. -1
    3 March 2024 15: 20
    However, despite all this, Patriarch Tikhon came to the conclusion that it was quite possible to find a common language with the Soviet government.


    The only conclusion that Patriarch Tikhon came to and why he left this message was the desire to preserve the remains of the church and the lives of priests and believers. If he had not written this message, the repressions would have only intensified and Lenin and the Bolsheviks would have destroyed many more innocent people who were unable to defend their lives. They were simply destroyed just in case and there is no excuse for this.
  18. 0
    4 March 2024 19: 37
    The topic - Church and Power is always relevant.
  19. 0
    4 March 2024 19: 40
    “Ilyich was right, religion is the opium of the people, ....”

    The opium of the people is a figurative definition of religion, which became widely known thanks to Karl Marx, who used it in his work “A Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right” (1843).
  20. 0
    4 March 2024 20: 25
    It's not about Lenin and his legacy. The point is the anti-state position of some church hierarchs who collaborate with the fifth column. The guys are fighting under the red banner in Donbass, and some churchmen continue to curse Stalin. Certainly today’s priests cannot know more about the USSR than veterans of the Northern Military District.
    1. 0
      4 March 2024 20: 37
      “Nevertheless, after the revolution of 1917, the Bolsheviks tried to restore statehood, the Civil War broke out, ....” GDP 06.02.2024/XNUMX/XNUMX
  21. 0
    5 March 2024 01: 48
    They are fooling our brother. (Arkady Raikin)
  22. 0
    5 March 2024 09: 19
    ... both these and these - and all the others! (Mayakovsky)
  23. 0
    5 March 2024 12: 49
    Let the old women pray to God. (Mayakovsky 1923)
  24. AB
    0
    7 March 2024 11: 56
    If we remove articles related to communism from the code of the builder of communism, then in many respects they will coincide with the teachings of Christ.
    At one time I was surprised to learn that there is such a thing as Christian communism.
  25. 0
    7 March 2024 13: 47
    After the revolution, the Church took an anti-state position and strongly supported the enemies of the Soviet state. What kind of state will tolerate this? At the same time, a considerable number of priests supported the Soviet government, and there were even attempts to create a new Orthodox Church, which was supposed to actively participate in the construction of a new society.
    As for the confiscation of church valuables during the famine, the Bolsheviks turned to the church with requests for help, but were refused. It should be noted that a small part of the church still participated in the fight against hunger.
    So everything is legal and everything is justified.
    By the way, it was not so much the Bolsheviks who destroyed the churches, but the common people, on their own initiative - before that, people did not like churchmen.
    Only when the church found consensus with the new society was it able to return.
    In general, our church is a big paradox. On the one hand, there are many decent, sincere and dedicated people in it. Priests play a vital role at the front.
    On the other hand, entering a modern church... Well, we are not in Palestine 2000 years ago... I had the opportunity to enter churches of other faiths... Why do people stand in the Orthodox Church? And even in a crowd, during the holidays?
    In Kotor, Montenegro, I went to the oldest Catholic church in Europe. Quiet, calm, light, easy to breathe. You sit down on a bench and don’t want to leave.
    I went into the Orthodox cathedral - everyone was standing, stuffy, hot, I couldn’t breathe because of the smoke of burnt incense. Almost fainted...
    I went into an ORTHODOX church in Egypt and sat down on a bench. Cozy, cool, fresh air. Bright icons (not dull ones, like ours).
    Why is that? Is it any wonder that people (namely ordinary people), and not the authorities, treated the church this way?
  26. 0
    8 March 2024 15: 46
    It is enough to look at the Western left to understand what the Trotskyist communists were leading to - the destruction of traditional society and the family. Globalist bullshit about world domination, the destruction of the human soul, because there is no soul in the material world.
  27. 0
    30 March 2024 07: 45
    Lenin did not touch Orthodoxy during the Civil War because he wanted the support of the population. After the victory in the Civil War, persecution of the church began, since the church is an ideological competitor of the communists, and communism is a form of religion.
  28. 0
    April 3 2024 15: 04
    My father-in-law told me... His grandfather served in the police all his life, from the mid-20s. And more than anything else in the world, he couldn’t stand the priest. He said that he could understand and forgive the White Guards or spies. But he couldn’t understand and forgive the priests - they, he says, rotted the bread. It's better to rot in a hole than to share with neighbors.
    I used to think that we only came up with this in films, but it turns out there are witnesses...