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"Trilinek" for a hunter in uniform

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In early 1917, the GAU gave the Obukhov plant an outfit for the sights of Hertz. But the extremely limited financial opportunities and the resource base of the state hardly even covered the needs fleet and artillery, so the Russian army never received a sniper rifle. Only in the 30s in our country began the production of our own sights from domestic optical glass, the production of which was already being established. This allowed to abandon the previously used German sights, to begin wide arming of the army with sniper rifles.


In the Infantry Battle Manual of 1942, which incorporated the difficult and diverse experience of the Red Army in the Great Patriotic War, much attention was paid to the actions of snipers. The charter stated: “A sniper - a well-aimed shooter - has as its main task the destruction of snipers, officers, observers, gun and machine-gun crews (especially flanking and dagger machine guns), the crews stopped tanks, low-flying enemy aircraft and generally all important, appearing for a short time and rapidly disappearing targets ... The sniper should also be able to show the infantry, artillery, mortars and anti-tank rifles with important tracer bullets and other means that are not vulnerable to the bullet: tanks, bunkers ( Bunker), guns. ”

It must be said, the Soviet snipers really became a curse for the Hitlerites and an extremely valuable "weapon" for their troops. The names of snipers M. Budenkova, N. Galushkina, P. Goncharova, F. Dyachenko, V. Zaitsev, N. Ilyin, V. Medvedev, F. Okhlopkov, M. Passar, I. Sidorenko, G. Simanchuk, F. Smolyachkov, L. Pavlyuchenko, M. Polivanova, Z. Popova and others became widely known. Ilyin, for example, counted 496 soldiers and officers of the enemy (one of the best indicators in the Great Patriotic War), Sidorenko - around 500, Budenkova - 437, Okhlopkova - 429, Goncharova - 380, Medvedev - 342, Pavlyuchenko - 309, Passara - 237. The active involvement of snipers by Soviet units and the growth of their skills was also recognized by the enemy. A number of German authors after the war noted the "cunning" and good training of Soviet snipers.



But the “hunter in uniform”, “the master of one shot,” as the snipers are also called, besides special training is required and weaponcorresponding to the problems to be solved.

The main armament of the Soviet snipers during the Great Patriotic War was the shop sniper rifle, made on the basis of the famous “trilinea”, or rather, its modification of the 1891-1930 model. During this period, sniper rifles were almost universally created on the basis of regular military. Rifles were either selected from among the most accurate gross ones, or were produced specifically with more accurately made barrels and better debugging, adapted for mounting optical sights, made with military requirements. This generation also included the 7,62-mm sniper rifle, which entered service with the Red Army in 1931. It should be noted that by that time foreign experience of sniping had been thoroughly studied, various models of optical sights were tested, forms and methods of organizing “sniper business” in the Red Army were developed.

The rifle completely repeated the “three-line” scheme: a rotary longitudinally sliding bolt with two lugs on a combat larva, a drummer cocked when the bolt was unlocked, a simple trigger mechanism providing “no warning”, no manual fuses (except for the possibility to pull back the trigger drummer and fix by turning), single row middle magazine on 5 cartridges with cut-off reflector, solid box with straight butt neck. The sniper mount was distinguished from a conventional 1891-1930 model rifle, a rifle mount, a barrel and a receiver quality, and mechanisms debugging. The shutter handle was bent downwards so that when reloading it does not cling to the optical sight. Unlike a linear sniper rifle, it was shot without a bayonet and did not have it - hand-to-hand combat was considered an extreme case for a sniper. Therefore, the front sight - in case of using an open sight - was slightly higher than that of conventional rifles.

"Trilinek" for a hunter in uniform


The development of an optical sight for a sniper rifle began in 1925 year. Several models were created, but the main rifle for the 1891-1930 model was the “rifle sight of the 1931 model of the year” (also known as PE) with magnification 3,87x and 5-30 'field of view. It was based on the German “Bush” sight, produced by PE Plant No. 69 (Krasnogorsk), and then “Progress” (Leningrad). To mount the sight on the left side of the receiver, the base was mounted, on which a dovetail mount was mounted and fixed to the sight bracket. The telescopic sight made it problematic to equip a magazine from a clip, so you had to equip it for one cartridge - again, not so significant for a sniper who does not need a high rate of fire. The production of a sniper rifle sample 1891-1930's and mounts for sights with 1932, led the Tula arms factory.

The Russian "trilinek" was a reliable and unpretentious military weapon, but as a basis for a sniper rifle, it required a number of improvements. The rifle had a rather tight descent. Although the sniper rifle trigger mechanism and debugged for less effort (2-2,4 kgf), it was not as convenient as a descent with a warning. The stock with the straight neck of the butt was not as comfortable as the stock with the pistol protrusion (as, for example, in the German Mauser G.98). Often, snipers with the accumulation of experience themselves debugged their rifles in order to improve the accuracy of the battle. Apparently, a deeper modernization of the base rifle would give the best basis for the sniper (especially since the relevant proposals and experiments were made), but they were abandoned in the USSR, because an automatic rifle was expected to be adopted soon, the work on which was launched from the end of the 20- s. On the eve of the war, it was expected that the self-loading rifle of the SVT, FV Tokarev, would be the main infantry weaponry. Accordingly, the SVT rifle of the 1940 model of the year (SVT-40) received its sniper version.



And if in the 1939 year, the Tula plant produced 35 376 sniper rifles of the 1891-1930 model, then in the 1940-m - only 7970, the production was transferred to a self-loading rifle.

Sniper SVT went into production, played a role during the war (many snipers became known using this particular rifle), but in terms of shooting accuracy, it was noticeably inferior to the shop. In addition, it was harder and more expensive to manufacture, which in the conditions of war meant a lot.

At the beginning of 1942, at Izhevsk Plant No. 74 (Izhevsk Machine Building Plant), and since 1943 of the year, and at Tula Plant No. 536, production of a sniper rifle of the 1891-1930 model was resumed. And since October, 1942-s was removed from production sniper SVT (although conventional SVT continued to produce). At the beginning of the war rifle was upgraded, but not to increase shooting accuracy, but to simplify production: the receiver was made without upper edges, the trigger button was reduced, the brass parts of the device were replaced with steel, the finish of steel parts was simplified, the bed was not polished or varnished . Affected by the fighting qualities of a rifle and the transition to the manufacture of boxes of birch blanks, more fragile than the old nut, and gave a leash under the action of moisture, and the variation in the characteristics of the wartime release cartridges.

In 1943, Izhevsk Plant No. 74 released 159 600 shop rifles, Tula Plant No. 536 - 59 112, in 1944-m - 127 020 and 24 362, respectively. From the total output of rifles and carbines, this amounts to: 1943% for 5,7 a year, 1944% for 7,3. Figures indicating great attention paid to sniping in the armed forces.

TACTICAL-TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF SNIPPING SCREW OF THE SAMPLE 1891-1930 OF YEARS

7,62 caliber mm
Cartridge 7,62x54R (rev.1908 g.)
Mass of weapons 4,7 kg (with PE sight)
Weapon length 1232 mm
Barrel length 729 mm
Initial bullet speed 865 m / s
Sighting range with a telescopic sight to 1300 m
5 Magazine Capacity

The magazine rifle was “inherited” from the sniper SVT and the “optical rifle sight of the 1940 model of the year” (PU) developed with it, with the 3,5-multiple magnification and 4-30 field of view. The decision to install the launcher on the 1891-1930 model rifle was made in the spring of the 1942, the corresponding bracket was soon developed. PU became the main sniper optical sight during the war. Its production was carried out by plants No. 357 (Progress plant, evacuated from Leningrad to Omsk), No. 296 in Berdsk, No. 237 in Kazan, No. 297 in Yoshkar-Ola, No. 393 in Krasnogorsk (the sight during the war years was made in blockade Leningrad) .

The PU sight allowed shooting at a distance from 100 to 1300 m at the most effective range up to 600 m. Using the PU on a 1891-1930 rifle of the model proved itself to be true, although there were complaints about the need for the shooter to pull the neck forward when shooting - the sight in terms of its dimensions and the distance to the exit pupil was calculated for another mount, so that for individual shooters the eyepiece turned out to be too far from the eye. Sniper V.N. Pchelintsev recalled: “We had no complaints about the combat sniper rifle of the 1891-1930 model. The main remarks concerned optics. Based on the combat experience, we expressed the wish that the sight be somewhat modernized and some necessary equipment on the front be made for it ... We proposed the development of a special aiming net and a more convenient location of the aiming handwheels. Of the devices, we were interested in two elements: a sun visor on the lens and a corrugated rubber tube on the eyepiece of the sight. ” In addition, experienced snipers offered to develop and put into production in small batches a sniper cartridge, which would ensure better accuracy. However, this element, as well as the mentioned adaptations to the sight, will appear only after the war in a fundamentally new sniper weapon complex. In the meantime, snipers tried to select for the shooting and firing cartridges of one gross party.



The 1891-1930 sniper rifle continued to serve for two decades and after the war. The Trekhlineyka also served as the basis for the sports X-NUMX-mm AV and AVL rifles, used not only by athletes, but also for training snipers.
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  1. Fox
    Fox 16 February 2013 11: 11
    +2
    interesting ... and again, well, where does it come from that the accuracy of the SVT was much inferior to Mosinka? They had already been shot both along and across, well, the same accuracy and accuracy.
    1. Just
      Just 16 February 2013 12: 19
      +2
      When the reloading mechanism is operating, different moments arise that cause the barrel to deviate in the horizontal plane. In bolted rifles, which is a mosquito, deviation (caused by barrel heating, which also occurs in the SVT), occurs only in the vertical plane. The laws of physics, nothing more. It should be understood that not every mosquito is sniper.
      The difference in 1 MOA per 100m gives 4 MOA (10cm) per 400m. And this is a lot for sniper weapons.
      1. Fox
        Fox 16 February 2013 13: 07
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        I wrote not about theory, but about practice: they took rifles (not fired) from storage and compared them. No physics.
        1. smprofi
          smprofi 16 February 2013 14: 58
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          Quote: Fox
          but about practice

          one guy, who met in the vastness of the tyrnet, in the 90s dashing served in Central Asia, in a hot spot. according to the results of "test" shooting, upon arrival at the permanent service unit, he and a couple were identified as a sniper. and they were given a service weapon ... "mosinki". yes, not just "mosinki" but with a two-headed eagle and a clew of His Imperial plant ...
          there you have it.
        2. Just
          Just 17 February 2013 10: 53
          +2
          For those who are not in the know, not any mosquito was identified as a sniper, but SPECIALLY CREATED OR SELECTED BY THE RESULTS OF SHOOTING (immediately after manufacture). Those. sniper samples have long been selected, used and are not in storage. Is that clear or not?
          For the uninitiated - domestic hunting bolt rifles of the same brand give accuracy from 2 to 5 cm per 100 m. Those. the difference is 2,5 times. And these are samples made of the same material, on the same machines.
      2. major1976
        major1976 16 February 2013 22: 55
        -1
        The SVT gas piston began to move only after the bullet took off from the barrel (like the SVD and other self-loading and assault rifles)! The laws of physics and nothing more than a colleague! And tell me why the barrel is heated in the SVT or other self-loading weapons? In my opinion, only from intense shooting or maybe if a fighter fell asleep near a fire and the rifle fell out of his hands fell into the fire!
        1. Just
          Just 17 February 2013 10: 42
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          This is with what fright reloading begins after the bullet takes off? After all, the gas outlet is located in the bore, and not behind it. As soon as the bullet passes the gas outlet in the barrel, immediately the reloading mechanism starts to work and forces arise that lead the barrel away from the aiming line.
          1. major1976
            major1976 17 February 2013 13: 10
            +1
            Just like that: this is physics, brother, simple physics (read what is the initial bullet velocity of a cartridge 7.62x54 or another and the rate of gas propagation (gas dynamics), this process is a millisecond faster than the reaction of mechanics)! models in different ways, depending on the power of the ammunition, design, etc.)! In the first sample of the German self-loading rifle G41 of the Great Patriotic War, the gas vent mechanism worked from the muzzle of the barrel (which is why it did not go into a wide series)! to hit a target with a single shot (not to mention a burst) is possible only by accident, and there would be two bullets in the barrel at the same time, and this is already nonsense and a disaster! Learn physics, as well as materiel and ballistics! when the trigger is pulled and the trigger mechanism is triggered !!! Do not play sports with me on the "Shot" course, the dog ate on this fact !!!
            1. romandostalo
              romandostalo 18 February 2013 09: 48
              +1
              Sorry, but if you shoot from Kalashnikov single without special weapons, then there will be no automatic fire at all.
          2. oldcud
            oldcud 18 February 2013 23: 34
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            Learn physics! The mass of the bolt is several times greater than the mass of the bullet. The mass of the weapon and the mass of the shooter are added to the mass of the bolt. All together has tremendous inertia and therefore the weapon tends to return to the place where it was before the shot. Athletes use it with might and main, there is no need to look into the pipe after each shot.
    2. major1976
      major1976 16 February 2013 23: 13
      +3
      Comrad is 100% right! Accuracy with the same (heavy sniper barrel, well-oiled mechanism, fitting wood to metal) performance is equivalent! SVT equipped with a telescopic sight was the favorite weapon of German jaegers from anti-guerrilla teams! It was in service with the Wehrmacht! for one reason, yesterday's peasants did not have enough education for its development and operation in combat conditions (weapons-any-loves caress, cleanliness and lubrication)! Another thing with the Marine Corps (the Navy and other "technical" troops did not call on young people below 6 grades of secondary education, familiar not by hearsay with technology)! They stopped production during the period of heavy losses of weapons at the fronts, it was not up to SVT! And in general, at the beginning of World War II, only two states of the USA and the USSR were in service and produced massive self-loading rifles! The Germans with their "miracle designers", "miracle workers
      1. Just
        Just 17 February 2013 10: 56
        -3
        No need to repeat nonsense after others. The army of Germany and its allies fought peasants and artisans who did not have the school education that all young people had in the USSR.
        1. major1976
          major1976 17 February 2013 13: 40
          +2
          My grandfather in 1939 was drafted into the army in the signal troops and had 6 classes of high school !!! Dear, do not fuck you nonsense !!! I did not speak for the German satellites Romania or Italy, etc., I wrote that a German soldier excelled in the level of possession of one or another technique and often in the level of education of a soldier of the USSR, whether it be the ability to drive a car, motorcycle, tractor, possession of a weapon, etc.! This is due to the mentality of peoples, and with the number of population, and the area of ​​countries, technical equipment of states! The Germans, unfortunately, were always more technically educated than the Russians both in the First World War and in the Second World War, a fact universally recognized by all! No need to climb anywhere open EM Remark and his fiction novel "All Quiet on the Western Front" (there are others), he is not a historian, but everything is clearly and interestingly described! And I said, let's say all our fighters had education, but how many classes and which school, in which of the republics? Imagine a Kazakh or Kyrgyz with SVT in their hands, yes he is not belmes in Russian, a hoe from the hands of roofing ko released, tears from the donkey, and here he has a high-tech sample in his hands, which must be looked after, cleaned, disassembled, assembled! And then do not forget that the soldiers of the Wehrmacht fought since 1939, and conquered all of Europe, that is, they accumulated enormous combat experience! And one more thing: the German infantry squad was built on the principle of 8 around 2, that is. 7 riflemen, 1 sergeant (squad leader), 1 assistant machine gunner and machine gunner! the main role was played by the two most experienced, strong soldiers - the crew of the machine gun, the rest covered them in battle! This makes up the composition of the weapons, if the main machine gun in battle, the Germans did not need SVT-type rifles (for the time being)!
          Regards and more, read the correct literature !!!
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny April 23 2013 20: 34
            +2
            Quote: major1976
            Imagine a Kazakh or a Kyrgyz with SVT in his hands, but he isn’t a Russian helper in Russian, he just released a hoe from his hands, he got out of a donkey, and here he has a high-tech model in his hands that needs to be looked after, cleaned, disassembled, collected!












            These are some pages from the book "Study captured weapons" (in Kazakh), 1942. The Kazakh soldier who "got off the donkey" was not only versed in Soviet weapons, but also knew German weapons.
            And how many Kazakhs and other steppe inhabitants (Kyrgyz, Buryats, Kalmyks, Yakuts, etc.) gave the Red Army snipers - we’ll take it easy to count.
        2. oldcud
          oldcud 18 February 2013 23: 37
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          However, among the snipers and rangers of the yagdkommandy there were few illiterate peasants.
  2. smprofi
    smprofi 16 February 2013 14: 44
    +2
    some more videos



  3. 4fedor1
    4fedor1 16 February 2013 18: 03
    +3
    in 1990, before being sent to Karabakh, we were armed with a sniper mosin 42 years old.
    1. Gato
      Gato 22 February 2013 16: 30
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      In 1988, the KzakVO personally saw about fifty mosin in the art warehouse of our unit, separately sights for them.
  4. kot11180
    kot11180 17 February 2013 03: 00
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    How many advantages have the SV-98 (it took so long), in front of the mosquito, this question has long interested me, who thinks what?
    1. major1976
      major1976 17 February 2013 03: 23
      +1
      SV98 piece expensive sample! Sniper heavy barrel-high-precision manufacturing, with minimal tolerances, "hung out" in the stock, flash suppressor, bipods, more modern sights, adjustable butt! Ideally, there should be a special cartridge - it is, but in the army it was previously a rarity (if memory does not change 7N21)! Rifles are not comparable at all, with the exception of the principle of action (sliding bolt action) and purpose! The advantages are obvious! But the point is natural in the preparation of the shooter! However, I am sure that SV98 will hardly fall into the hands of an ordinary sniper from the infantry, or not at all Soon! The sniper version of the Mosin rifle, in my opinion, is morally and in time outdated! And you rarely come across a Mosin model with an unworn barrel now! I hunt myself with such a sample of 1944! place! It's time for us to go forward with her!
      1. kot11180
        kot11180 17 February 2013 10: 54
        +1
        Thank you, a detailed answer. I’ll fix it, there are sniper cartridges in the troops, and we have ordinary snipers, but I was convinced that for a military sniper there is nothing better than SVD. I am writing about VV.
        1. major1976
          major1976 17 February 2013 13: 42
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          I'm glad that finally the time has come for good equipment! Regarding the SVD, I agree, this is a weapon of a military sniper! SV98 for specialists!
      2. Just
        Just 17 February 2013 10: 59
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        If we are not ahead, then we certainly are not behind. - http://weapon.at.ua/load/240
      3. bullet
        bullet 22 February 2013 21: 36
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        7Н14, and 7Н21 is a pistol cartridge 9 * 19
  5. ramsi
    ramsi 17 February 2013 07: 52
    0
    once seen in a popular show - like when firing from SVT in slow motion
    shooting, it was visible how the trunk bends, as the bullet passes
    1. major1976
      major1976 17 February 2013 10: 41
      -1
      This happens when firing from any weapon (tank guns, for example, are removed in special cases, one of the tasks of which is to fight this phenomenon)! Sniper rifles have "heavy" specially made or selected barrels, where the effect of oscillation is lower in all projections of the barrel!
      1. ramsi
        ramsi 17 February 2013 15: 06
        0
        major1976,
        in smoothbore something should not be? ..
        1. major1976
          major1976 17 February 2013 20: 08
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          Why shouldn't it? Any shot is an "explosion", increased temperature and pressure on the barrel walls - as a result, the expansion-stretching of the barrel walls and their oscillation in all planes! In a firearm, oscillations are visible in slow motion, when fired from a long-barreled tank or other guns with the naked eye! The presence of grooves in the barrel increases friction and vibrations more strongly! For a smooth one, everything is the same (pressure, temperature, friction) minus friction along the grooves! Even if you shoot a smaller caliber projectile from the gun, the barrel vibrations will not go anywhere! You won't hit the target! Tell me, what about a sub-caliber projectile, I will answer: exaggerating a sub-caliber projectile is a "scrap" made of high-strength steel (tungsten, molybdenum, if necessary, even processed with depleted uranium, etc.) placed in a container made of polymer, etc. ... equal to the caliber of the gun! Purpose: to set the balance-centering, not to spoil the barrel bore with the "crowbar", to stabilize the flight of the "crowbar" to the target at the initial stage, does not take part in penetrating the armor!
          1. ramsi
            ramsi 19 February 2013 08: 13
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            Vseravno not very clear. In a rifled, the main twisting moment with a maximum in the middle of the trunk, provokes rifling; but in a smooth-bore something, even with a thin-walled barrel, this should be the maximum - uniform bloating immediately behind a passing projectile
    2. Just
      Just 17 February 2013 11: 05
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      Therefore, ultraprecise samples always have a thick barrel. But the weight, you know, is higher.
  6. Just
    Just 17 February 2013 11: 10
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    For those interested - http://enotus.blog.tut.by/2009/04/09/kuchnost-strelkovogo-oruzhiya-zasile-debilo
    v/
  7. Just
    Just 17 February 2013 11: 14
    0
    Link for those interested -
    enotus.blog.tut.by/2009/04/09/kuchnost-strelkovogo-oruzhiya-zasile-debilov/
  8. bistrov.
    bistrov. 17 February 2013 14: 51
    +2
    I want to express one opinion: - even though the rifles, as they say, were not the same, and people, they say we were not quite literate, although my father was drafted into the army in 1936 from the 3rd year of the institute of physics and mathematics, served 4 years in the naval fleet, then 2 years on an over-the-clock, mechanic-driver of the tank, he fought the whole war in the tank troops, where it’s harder, there he is, Sevastopol, Stalingrad, and yet the son of a simple peasant, stove-maker, a neighbor lived next to him, a military pilot of bomber aircraft, also the son of a simple peasant, and hundreds of thousands of others like them, they broke the back of fascism and set the stage for the post-war rapid jerk of the USSR, there was no need to cast a shadow over the wattle fence and we had people, wonderful, selfless patriots, and the technique was first-class, but there have always been problems with the leadership, that’s what you always need to emphasize on the education of command personnel, class specialists in their field and patriots of their people, if it is, Russia is invincible and she is not afraid of any economic disasters. As for the Tokarev rifle, this is an excellent weapon; subsequently, taking into account its operation, masterpieces of the weaponry art of SKS and AK were created.
    1. major1976
      major1976 17 February 2013 18: 18
      +1
      Dear, learn to read something right !!! What did I write about my people that he is not literate? A military pilot, even if the son of a peasant, by default had to finish flying school and then fly and beat Germans !!! I did not speak for everyone ! I said that IN THE INFANTRY AT THE MAIN BODY (EXCEPTION OF PEOPLE'S SECURITY, SNIPERS, AND MANY OTHERS) CALLED OUT PERSONS WITH A LOW LEVEL OF EDUCATION OR WOULD NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO BE EVERYTHE ANYTHING TO BE DISAPPEARED! -4 grades and above were called up in the navy, communications, aviation, tank troops, artillery, etc., i.e. it’s still an axiom when conscripted, at least in Russia! The information that the Germans were peasants, artisans and other sections of the population were more technical savvy (unfortunately ) taken not from the ceiling !!! I answer for every word !!! Otherwise, I would not write on my reputable site and would not powder my readers’s brains !!!
      1. vyatom
        vyatom 18 February 2013 17: 45
        0
        Major Major 1976, you make a mistake all out of place, and then you also make excuses.
        1. major1976
          major1976 18 February 2013 23: 30
          -1
          What are you literate about?
      2. loft79
        loft79 18 February 2013 21: 15
        0
        Do not be aggressive. In people, patriotism speaks. My grandfather told me (in adolescence) how sorry he pissed on ppsh. and after 90 and his death, they said that he was in the penal battalion. One granny was with the KhAI "tower", the other was a simple one from the village with my any expressions "Avos", "Davicha", "Eva". )))
  9. sdf23wesdgg
    sdf23wesdgg 17 February 2013 19: 28
    -2
    Imagine, it turns out that our authorities have complete information about each of us. And now she has appeared on the Internet http://trunc.it/m8pnt Very surprised and scared,
    my correspondence, addresses, phone numbers, even found my nude photo, I can’t even imagine from where. The good news is that the data can be deleted from the site, of course, I used it and I advise everyone not to hesitate
  10. Just
    Just 17 February 2013 20: 31
    -2
    major1976,

    Well, why are you lying? Where did the more literate foot soldiers come from in Europe, when the USSR already had universal education, but did not have it in Europe? Yes there were engineers, yes there were aristocrats, but the bulk of the population are dark uneducated people. Yes, everything was taken from you from the ceiling. Sucked out of a finger.
    No need to pass off their fantasies and ignorance of history as reality.
    By the way, in the United States, on the Army Hammers, as you know, there are only automatic transmissions. They refused the manual transmission because most of the people who come to the service are corny not able to drive cars with mechanics. Needless to say that in Russia even the lady drivers laugh at these?
    1. major1976
      major1976 18 February 2013 08: 09
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      Dear, you are more careful with expressions, for this you called to a duel earlier !!! And why should I lie? And what if everything was written a long time ago, I'm just stating a historical fact? And here the gearboxes on Hummers? (Automatic transmission is certainly more convenient, and my lady driver prefers her, but in general a matter of taste)! And why is there no example in the case? Well I repeat again for those who are on the "Hummer" with the handbrake on !!! First, learn to read and analyze what you read, otherwise I start doubt the level of your education and mental abilities !!! Secondly: I don’t put my fingers in my mouth since childhood and I don’t advise you (there may be worms)! Thirdly: I wrote about the level of use and possession of TECHNOLOGY, and did not write that all my compatriots were illiterate !!! And dark illiterate people are somewhere in Italy, Romania or Hungary! But not in Germany, there is "Ordung" in everything and, first of all, in education !!! First, I will teach you a little history: Chancellor Germany Otto von Bismarck said that the war with France in 1870-71. a simple Prussian teacher won, not Krupp's steel cannons! Do you know why? By the end of the 19th century, Germany had become the FIRST country in the world with a UNIVERSAL LITERACY! When World War I recruited illiterate recruits (from 100%): the Russian Empire has 61% , Germany 0,04%, England 1%, France 3,4%, USA 3,8%, Italy 30% !!! According to the 1939 census with a total population of 194 million people, among the male population of mobilization age from 16 to 59 years old, they had education of 7 classes and above 15%, higher education 1,7% !!! At the end of 1939. with a population of 70 million people, 1 million 416 thousand passenger cars and more than 500 thousand motorcycles (no one counted bicycles) were in private use of German citizens, 120 thousand freight cars were in service with the Wehrmacht, with 1000 pieces monthly (who is all this Used and repaired? Yes, it went on autopilot itself) On 01.06.41/XNUMX/XNUMX.
  11. romandostalo
    romandostalo 18 February 2013 23: 45
    +1
    Imagine a Kazakh or Kyrgyz with SVT in his hands, but he isn’t a Russian helper in Russian, he just released a hoe from his donkey, he got out of his ass, but here he has a high-tech model in his hands that needs to be looked after, cleaned, disassembled, collected! And this sometimes and in the cold and in the trenches, I lost one part, incorrectly assembled and all this is a stick, not a weapon !!!

    I'm sorry, I recently inserted a wrong quote here
    1. major1976
      major1976 18 February 2013 23: 46
      -1
      Hunter-professional killers !!! It’s a pity they weren’t even in the army anymore, you’ve lost more Fritz and you’ve finished the war before! I wrote about recruits!
  12. redwar6
    redwar6 25 March 2013 21: 40
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    Quote: Simpleton
    No need to repeat nonsense after others. The army of Germany and its allies fought peasants and artisans who did not have the school education that all young people had in the USSR.

    Ridiculous. You mixed up a bit, it was exactly the opposite. An educated Germany is against poorly educated Soviet soldiers.