By popular demand: in Russia, a new combat vehicle for the Marine Corps is being created

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This year will begin research work on a new combat vehicle for the Marine Corps (BMMP). Such a machine is objectively necessary, especially given the increased role of the marines in the development plans of the Armed Forces.

It is worth noting that the problem of armored vehicles for the Marine Corps (MP) is no less acute than the problem of equipping airborne units. And, if the commander-in-chief of the Airborne Forces nevertheless managed to secure the adoption of a new combat vehicle (BMD-4M), the MP units still have to make do with wheeled and tracked armored personnel carriers. And this is despite the fact that the need for a combat vehicle with more serious weapons has not been challenged for a long time.

Naval and airborne landing operations have the same features: units have to operate at a distance from their bases and use a limited set of fire support equipment. Of course, the Marine Corps is less limited in weight and dimensions of its armored vehicles than the Airborne Forces. Armed with Tanks (one battalion in the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleet). But in general, the firepower of the MP does not correspond to the tasks that face it.

A machine that had serious firepower was needed for a long time, since the “boat with a cannon” - the PT-76 amphibious tank was withdrawn from the MP states in 1989 year. And such a machine was even created - BMP-3F, naval modification of the BMP-3. However, the marines did not receive this vehicle. In the opinion of the leadership of the Armed Forces, it did not meet modern requirements, although the marines participated in the creation of this vehicle, tested it, was satisfied and spoke in favor of its early adoption. Already assembled cars, the Ministry of Defense refused to buy. And they, together with the built ones, were additionally sold to Indonesia - the car was considered quite modern and even necessary for the state located on the islands.

It is difficult to say how the assessment of the BMP-3F was objective. On a prolonged epic with an airborne assault vehicle and the abandonment of the BMP-3F was affected by several circumstances. And above all - the desire to get a common car for all the armed forces, as unified as possible, and possessing better characteristics compared to what was available at that time. Such a machine is being created now in the framework of the ROC Kurganets. But to make a car truly universal is difficult.

One of the main requirements for a promising machine, is to improve the quality of its security. This can be achieved in three ways: design features, increase in armor protection and the use of technical means of protection (dynamic protection - DZ, active protection complexes - KAZ, optoelectronic suppression complexes - COEP, masking, etc.). The last two ways inevitably entail an increase in the mass of the machine, which is in conflict with the requirements of the Airborne Forces and the MP. The Airborne Forces have mass limitations associated with air transportation of equipment; for MPs, a vehicle needs not just a “floating” machine, but a good floating one. And this quality also directly depends on the mass of the machine. It is possible to make the car better protected constructively without increasing the mass. For example, the engine compartment (MTO), located in front, increases the protection of the crew from firing into the front projection of the vehicle and allows the troops to dismount behind the vehicle, rather than through the upper hatches. This layout was used on the BMP-1 and BMP-2, this layout is adopted for the new "Kurgan". However, it affects the distribution of weight and loads in different positions of the machine: a heavy “nose” does not have the best effect on the ride quality on the water, and also affects some properties of the machine on the road.

The BMP-3 MTO is located behind the combat and airborne units. And the center of its mass is as close as possible to the lower point of the body. Therefore, the car has excellent driving performance at different locations and confidently behaves afloat. This arrangement is quite comfortable with the Airborne Forces and the MP, since their driving performance is more important than security. This is the most mobile kind of troops that require mobile and most transportable equipment.

The main requirement for them is high firepower. And with this, the BMD-4M and BMP-3F armament complex is all right. The famous "triad", consisting of a machine gun, 30-mm automatic cannon and 100-mm rifled guns, capable of firing both conventional shells and guided missiles, has long been the hallmark of domestic military vehicles. For firepower and versatility with this complex for a long time can not match the best examples of foreign technology. It can be easily upgraded by creating improved ammunition and improving the control system. weapons (FCS), which will allow it to remain quite modern for a very long time. And the Airborne Forces succeeded in obtaining a combat vehicle, which they consider optimal for themselves.

As for the BMP-3F, it is most suitable for conducting combat operations in the coastal zone, on the coast and during the landing of the amphibious assault. It is capable of driving at a sea of ​​three points, conducting aimed fire from the water at a wave of two points, staying afloat for a long time, towing a machine of the same type through the water, loading itself from the water onto landing craft and landing craft, and even move behind them in tow. I want to note that this is not just a vehicle designed to get the marine corps ashore or to transport it by land — it is a complete combat vehicle. The BMP-3F can also be called a “boat with a gun,” like the good old PT-76. In general, you can be happy for the Indonesian marines.

It should be said that the adoption of the BMD-4М by the Airborne Forces has already brought some frustration to the unification of the average tracked platform by type of troops. Perhaps this, like the not perfect layout of the Kurgants for the requirements of the MP, has led to the fact that a new machine is being created for the marines. In terms of the procurement of the MoD for 2013, the research project is called “Platform-BMMP” - a study to create a promising BMMP platform for the units of the Marine Corps. The word “platform” means that a whole range of combat vehicles will be created on a common base. And this base will differ from the BMP-3 (on which the BMD-4М was created) and from the Kurgan. This is probably correct, since it will allow better to take into account the peculiarities of the combat missions of the MP and to get a machine that has really better characteristics than what it is now. Here are just a few years to wait for her appearance, as the paratroopers were waiting for at one time.

It should also be added that the new BMPP should not be confused with the machine, which had the same name, but was created simultaneously with the BMP-3F Kurganmashzavod. Then it was a "budget" version of the same machine on the BMP-3 platform, but with lightweight armament - a turret with an 30-mm gun from the BMP-2. Now we are talking about a new platform. Probably, it will have the best seaworthiness not at the expense of security. As for the weapons complex, it can be any of the existing or only being created - the possibility of deploying various weapons on a common platform is now provided at the technical assignment stage.

And further. In some publications, the beginning of work on BMMP was referred to as “floating infantry fighting vehicles for the Mistral.” In some ways this is true, since the Mistral class DVKD is also intended for the marines (and therefore for its combat equipment). But one should not assume that this combat vehicle is created specifically for a particular ship or, moreover, is its functional part. It will be a combat vehicle for the Marine Corps, which has been waiting for a long time and which has long been needed.
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  1. +8
    1 February 2013 07: 33
    The title is not fully laid out ... It is necessary to add the word "... workers". Then it will be - "At the numerous requests of the working people ..." And it is customary and - true.
    1. YARY
      +4
      1 February 2013 07: 39
      Valera with a compliment!
      Have fun! laughing
      1. +3
        1 February 2013 08: 10
        Quote: Ardent
        Have fun!

        Andrew, welcome! hi I am in a fighting mood today - there will be a "beyka" with partners, coffee pouted in the morning and adrenaline presses the roof laughing But optimism also increased. That's it - flew to the meeting.
        Have a nice day everyone! drinks
    2. +3
      1 February 2013 07: 59
      laughing Advertise the factory? The need for a new machine is ripe for everyone ... Only now the developers are constantly faced with changing requirements of the army ... But 3F is not a bad option
      1. +2
        1 February 2013 17: 49
        It’s, let’s say, that they came across the Stool, and not the changes, now it will be easier.
  2. YARY
    +6
    1 February 2013 07: 37
    One thing is a topic. Marine Corps and its needs, rises in the context of technical special equipment is a step in the right direction.
    Not only the Airborne Forces and the infantry need equipment, but the MP is the first elite of the Army after the officer corps.
    1. FATEMOGAN
      +4
      1 February 2013 15: 08
      It's great, of course, that they care about the Marine Corps and the Airborne Forces, but what about the concept of a unified platform "Kurganets"? it "roughly speaking" already turns out to be a nifiga not unified, if, as I understand it, only BMPs will be made on its basis, and the other branches of the armed forces will have their own platforms. will we not step on the same rake? that the USSR crushed - a large number of combat platforms and, as a consequence, high costs for their maintenance and repair.
    2. bask
      +1
      1 February 2013 22: 29
      Quote: Ardent
      e only the Airborne Forces and infantry need equipment, and the MP is the first elite of the Army after the officer corps.

      Ardent GRU - special forces, airborne forces, infantry, in this order. Four teams for the entire Navy, but is it advisable to create a new BMP for such small forces. increase the number of MPs to the number of airborne forces or adopt BMP-3f.
  3. +4
    1 February 2013 08: 02
    The marine corps with us are quite small .. And that means the trebets is not so much money for weapons ... 3F had to be adopted for a long time .. and to develop a new model ...
    1. nagual
      +1
      1 February 2013 10: 59
      Our MP is already increasing numerically. Here’s the 200th Ombre who passed the Northern Fleet, they are taught to operate from ships, relocate equipment by sea. Just have not yet received black berets, but, I think, over time, and it will be.
  4. predator.3
    +14
    1 February 2013 08: 25
    "... And such a machine was even created - the BMP-3F, a naval modification of the BMP-3. However, the Marine Corps did not receive this vehicle. In the opinion of the leadership of the Armed Forces, it did not meet modern requirements, although the Marine Corps participated in the creation of this vehicle. , tested it, was satisfied and spoke in favor of its early adoption. The Ministry of Defense refused to redeem the already assembled vehicles. And they, together with the additionally built ones, were sold to Indonesia - there the car was considered quite modern and even necessary for the state located on the islands. "

    It would be interesting to know the names of this "leadership of the Armed Forces"! Well, it's clear with Serdyukov, if only he could sell an infantry fighting vehicle, an airplane, a land plot, the Motherland is all indifferent! But who are the other members of the commission there?
    1. +2
      1 February 2013 09: 45
      Yes, everything was very simple there: the engine was not adapted to the "Mistral" fool
    2. Marine One
      +4
      1 February 2013 10: 24
      Quote: predator.3
      It would be interesting to know the names of this "leadership of the Armed Forces


      Why should we find out ... Vladimir Popovkin, Deputy Defense Minister for Armaments, now the head of Roscosmos. In 2010, he said something like the following: “We really need to take care of the soldiers. Today everyone drives the BMP upstairs, because no one wants to go in this“ coffin. ”We need to make another car.” This is where the story of the BMP-3 (in any form and modification) and its deliveries to the troops actually ended.
      1. nagual
        +3
        1 February 2013 11: 01
        He is! And - personally.
        1. Sergh
          +7
          1 February 2013 11: 33
          Quote: Marine One
          Why find out something ... Vladimir Popovkin, deputy defense minister for armaments

          Yes, he is! I personally read his refuseniks. I demand a one-way rocket in Roskosmos for "respected Popovkin to Mars", will arrive, let him radiate the situation with the local population. And, well, yes, I will concoct a house for Martian life for him personally from fresh boards. Well, why ruin science?
          I went to the garage, started a chainsaw, worked out a lot, pulled the descent vehicle, yeah, right now I’m running away for fuel, I’m not sure that 40º, I know where to get it, but this is a moot point, space is not khukh-mukhra !
          1. +2
            1 February 2013 17: 52
            Have pity on Mars, master, and he will be pushed to the left, and the system will remain without a planet, and "snickers" without a partner lol
  5. +7
    1 February 2013 09: 17
    It is strange to hear about the need to re-equip the Marine Corps units with new models. The requirements for the machines of such units as Special Forces, Airborne Forces and MP are in principle identical, speed, firepower and engineering equipment. Somewhere, the requirements for a capacity of up to 15 people were vaguely voiced, which in my opinion is absolutely wrong and will lead to large losses. The main principle of landing operations is concentration of firepower and dispersal of personnel. Otherwise, the entire unit may be covered. The concept of actions is not actually clear here. The MP should have its own heavy assault units (reinforcement units) equipped with non-floating heavy infantry fighting vehicles and MBTs, and light units, those who land on the shore and provide, again, the landing of "heavy" ones.
  6. +2
    1 February 2013 10: 05
    here is the paradox, the Marine Corps, it is a separate kind of troops, as it were, with their highly specific tasks and tactics of action. And they do not have their own special, good and fast floating, protected, powerful equipment. I am with two hands for creating such a technique.
  7. +4
    1 February 2013 10: 06
    So let's start with the fact that the landing range of the pezhzhi is beyond the horizon. If a tank reaches the shore on its own, how many boils will it eat? And what for on the shore need a standing pillbox? So there will be a landing from pezhiki only on Dugongs. In fluorine, a BMP-3F was created specifically for the fleet. Although this technique is of course needed. Only first decide why you will plant it, and only then those tasks and all the garbage.
    1. +2
      1 February 2013 13: 14
      Quote: Mechanic
      Only first decide why you will plant it, and only then those tasks and the whole FIG


      Zhenya is a plus. Golovnyakov began with the Mistral.

      Treshka car is good, though not new. The first time I saw her, he wrote in Chirchik at the training ground in the year 90. experienced in central Asia. And after all, there is still no analogue - the Chinese have a bad copy.
      1. +2
        1 February 2013 18: 00
        Good day, friends! I have a question, but what to create on the basis of BMD-4M for the marines? That's unification .... Or some kind of new car for the Airborne Forces and the MP, their requirements are similar, well, of course, due to the different specifics of the machine, they will differ, but the "platform" will be one ... Or is it not real ??? Who can tell?
        1. +2
          1 February 2013 20: 09
          Quote: sniper
          Good day friends! I have a question, but something to create on the basis of BMD-4M for marines? Here is the unification ....
          Greetings, Nikolay. Yes, you can do everything. Only who needs it? Correctly below they wrote that the Marines did not have Shamanov.
          1. +2
            1 February 2013 23: 43
            Quote: Mechanic
            Correctly below they wrote that the Marines did not have Shamanov.

            It's sad ... But maybe everything will change? If we already started talking about new cars, well, should Mistral carry something? Although Mistral doesn’t need it, you can only carry boats there ...
  8. +7
    1 February 2013 10: 15
    The word "platform" began to be elevated to some kind of absolute. By and large, on the basis of the same T-72, T-90, there is already a family of combat vehicles. If the basis of the chassis platform, then there is a reasonable limit in unification. Specialized equipment will always be better for a specific task than wide-profile equipment, this primarily applies to airborne combat vehicles. If the BMP-3F suits the fleet, why the hell repeat the situation with the BMD-4M, it's a pity the Marines don't have their own Shamanov.
    1. +5
      1 February 2013 10: 22
      Quote: Per se.

      The word "platform" began to be elevated to some kind of absolute. By and large, on the basis of the same T-72, T-90, there is already a family of combat vehicles. If the basis of the chassis platform, then there is a reasonable limit in unification. Specialized equipment will always be better for a specific task than wide-profile equipment, this primarily applies to airborne combat vehicles. If the BMP-3F suits the fleet, why the hell repeat the situation with the BMD-4M, it's a pity the Marines don't have their own Shamanov.
      I agree to all 100. Marines now only serve their homeland. And there is no one to defend their interests.
      1. Sergh
        +8
        1 February 2013 11: 57
        Quote: Mechanic
        I agree to all 100. The Marines now only serve allegiance to their homeland.

        Bro, well done! in this tinsel of new developments, of course, I have already begun to get lost. Either morphlot, now aviation, then after vodka, I ran into the store after work. Everything seems to be in a bundle, but the BEGINNING makes me happy, yes, it’s only the beginning today, here it is, you can touch it with your hands, even take a photo!
        Enough to make it sound, well, it’s hard, well, there’s no dough, I see how my Chkalda gets up on her feet in Novosibirsk, I remember men and women in the 90s, their sufferings, sometimes they gathered together at a holiday. Two or three times a week I drive past (on purpose) along the checkpoint. There were a lot of people and one young, well, I told earlier, I repeat, A LOT. compared to the 95th.
        In short, I wanted to spit on all the bazaars, but I believe in my BALLS, because I’ve been living here for more than half a century.
        Thanks to all! I’ll pump another hundred for the Marines. Only quietly and to no one, the SU-34 are already two almost assembled, the rest are very far away and we could not identify
        I went for a glass.
        1. +4
          1 February 2013 13: 06
          Quote: Sergh
          Only quietly and to no one, SU-34 are already two almost assembled, the rest are very far away and we could not identify
          I'll tell you more. Recently, our employee came from SibNIA Chaplygin. Also pleased with the plans for MC21, IL, SU30 MKI, and the Berievians are also great. We ordered an additional slipway. But just why I didn’t understand the stand bought from the MOOG mattress toppers under Т50, everyone says that we have the best drives, but here they offended the very tomatoes.
        2. +1
          1 February 2013 17: 22
          I went for a glass.

          Friday, you can and drinks
          But taking into account the revival in the defense industry, it’s even necessary.

          Although today a rocket with an American satellite was dropped crying . They are now sorting out who is to blame - we or the ones who are not. It seems that our only overclocking unit, but it didn’t reach him. But - Popovkin, it's time to go to the cellar, to sit out.
  9. 0
    1 February 2013 11: 25
    Due to the fact that Japan does not calm down about the Kuril Islands, the presence of such equipment in the Far East will slightly cool the ardor of its eastern neighbors. am
  10. 0
    1 February 2013 11: 43
    No wonder, probably in the "Military Secret" recently showed a story about American landing vehicles. smile
  11. PiP
    +2
    1 February 2013 12: 00
    "A matter of paramount importance and extremely successful. With communist greetings, Lenin"
    Written July 13, 1921

    The device is really needed. Ideally, this should be a whole line of equipment, both tracked and wheeled. And they should not only swim, consider the transfer of aircraft, too.
  12. +3
    1 February 2013 14: 25
    I would like to note that as a kind of army, our Russian marines are older than the American, they are almost the same age as the Semenov and Preobrazhensky regiments, well, a little younger, and therefore the attitude towards the marines should be appropriate. It seems to me that in the coming years it is the marines who will project the strength of Russia in other territories. The Mediterranean with Syria is a fresh example. And that means the equipment of the bros in black berets should be appropriate, i.e. powerful and mobile. News is definitely a plus.
  13. 0
    1 February 2013 14: 43
    There is no need to elevate unification to an absolute. The best is the enemy of the good, but the criterion "efficiency-cost" has not been canceled either.
  14. Biznav
    0
    1 February 2013 15: 31
    The best technique is the one in the troops.
    Tryndet about the duper platforms of the Kurgan-armada "do not roll sacks", and if tomorrow is a war? (bit his tongue) How will Hitler tell everyone about the miracle weapon that we are about to create and defeat everyone?
    Zadolbali morons in the MO.
  15. 0
    1 February 2013 16: 42
    Quote: Per se.
    If the basis of the chassis platform, then there is a reasonable limit in unification.

    I agree.
    The desire for total unification is generally fraught. Should a potential adversary determine the vulnerabilities of the "platform" - that's it, hello to all clones.
    Unification looks especially trump in the most expensive and significant defense projects (Strategic Missile Forces, for example).
    Otherwise, I cannot explain this as a desire to save money on development and production. Both the product was manufactured and the customer was satisfied - there is no need to spend much on maintenance.
    Things are good. Only before the start of real hostilities ...
  16. USNik
    +2
    1 February 2013 16: 43
    We wanted the best, to create 3 new platforms and bring everything to them, but it turned out as before: BTR 70 \ 80, BMP 1 \ 2 \ 3, BMD 1 \ 2 \ 3-4, T64 \ 72 \ 80 \ 90, Kurganets, Armata, Boomerang, plus a zoo of lynxes, bears with wolves ... And now BMMP? In principle, such an abundance is good, and we prepare specialists and load production and there is something to offer for export, but in one army it is too much.
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    1. bask
      +3
      1 February 2013 22: 33
      Quote from rudolf
      ika. They could change their shoes on this car for a long time without significant damage to the budget

      Yes, it’s nothing that doesn’t interfere. They simply do not want or harm Russia. 100 Pieces in two years can be made, we have money.
      1. 0
        1 February 2013 23: 01
        But there you have to work, make? There is practically no chance for cutting state money. Is it a matter of purchasing abroad ... kickbacks ... kickbacks ... Money directly to foreign accounts ... Cap ... Cap ...

        Nothing will change until half of the officials are put up against the wall. That the rest would begin to be afraid and work. It is not stupid or inconvenient to admit, but without the 37th year there would not have been the 45th
        1. +1
          1 February 2013 23: 05
          In our native military-industrial complex "there is practically no chance for cutting the state money" ???
          Well you, my friend, and bent.
  18. +5
    1 February 2013 18: 13
    You give a universal platform for universal soldiers, but seriously, for the sea, land and surface, a single platform is an unattainable dream and there is nothing to fence in the garden. We need to unify the weapons system, aiming, automatic loading (if necessary) ammunition, communications, fire extinguishing systems - work to unify the pond - a dime.
  19. +2
    1 February 2013 18: 44
    About one thing, don’t repeat the mistakes of past years: at the end of the 70, the medium tanks of the 810 BrMP Black Sea Fleet were sent for modernization. We did everything according to the full scheme: new sights, communications, active protection, mounted screens on board, etc. The engines were replaced, the hodovka was recaptured ... in short - a full compress ....
    The Marines received the cars, they were happy - thanks for the care ... Yes, it’s bad luck - they started loading in the KFOR, but the tank doesn’t pass in size ..... It seems that the infantry, but no longer "sea", it seems that they did a good job, but it turned out "as always."
    In what happens in our military-industrial complex.
  20. Ilyukha
    +1
    1 February 2013 18: 51
    Something did not understand the meaning of the article at all. The topic of the new BMP for the Marines is not disclosed. Everything has long been known about the troika, and this is not entirely new.
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