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Russia and Georgia: close contacts of the third degree

Russia and Georgia: close contacts of the third degreeThe last decade of January was very fruitful in terms of the appearance of information about the relationship between Russia and Georgia. It can be said that during these few days more positive events took place in the Russian-Georgian contacts than in the last 4-5 years. And the more often these events manifested themselves, the more criticism came from the camp of the current Georgian President Saakashvili.

At first, Saakashvili and his closest comrades in the party were alarmed by the words of the Prime Minister of Georgia, uttered during the visit to neighboring Armenia. Bidzina Ivanishvili made a number of statements, which caused a strong reaction among those who in recent years have become accustomed to consider the only correct and productive opinion of Mikhail Saakashvili. One of such statements by the head of the Georgian Cabinet of Ministers was that Tbilisi should follow the example of Yerevan in terms of establishing foreign policy relations. According to him, Armenia has been able to build a policy in which it has quite close contacts with both Western partners and Russia.

By the way, the words that Georgia should take an example from Armenia caused a rather controversial, if not to say negative reaction from the Azerbaijani diaspora in Georgia. Obviously, Ivanishvili, saying that it’s time to take an example from the multi-vector foreign policy of Yerevan, didn’t keep in mind the political disputes between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and had in mind only the choice between the West and Russia, but this did not interest his critics literally hit the head of the Georgian government.

During his visit to Armenia, Ivanishvili expressed another thought, which sounded quite ambiguous from the point of view of opposition politicians. The prime minister, in particular, said that Georgia’s course towards North Atlantic integration will not change in the near future. It remains a mystery whether the Georgian Prime Minister meant that these relations will change somewhat later, or the words “in the near future,” as they say, flew out by sheer chance ... But anyway, the calls for Georgia to follow the example of Armenia and the words about the immutability of the “in the near future” of the pro-Western course gave the reason for the main opponent of Ivanishvili, President Saakashvili, to express the words that the prime minister is flirting with “militarist Russia, which occupies about 20% of Georgia’s territory”

For natural reasons, a number of media outlets that are guarding the interests of the current Georgian president jumped at the said words of Ivanishvili and put them almost proof that Ivanishvili is a protege of the Kremlin and the FSB. Further, conspiracy theories about the Russian trace in the fate of Ivanishvili were only gaining momentum, and intensified even after the prime minister spoke with his Russian counterpart on the sidelines of the summit in Davos for a short time.

After this short dialogue, Ivanishvili even had to justify himself to a certain extent, saying that they only met Medvedev as politicians and did not discuss any important issues from the point of view of Russian-Georgian bilateral relations.

However, Saakashvili and his pretty thinner regiments of supporters no longer heard these “excuses” from Ivanishvili, and indeed could they have heard when the Catholicos-Patriarch of All Georgia also added fuel to the fire. The chief hierarch of the Georgian church arrived in Moscow, where he received the award of the Foundation for the Unity of Orthodox Peoples, met with Patriarch Kirill and President Vladimir Putin. At the same time, Elijah II, addressing the Russian leader, said that he sends greetings from the Prime Minister of Georgia and hopes that relations between the Russian Federation and Georgia will overcome the political impasse. At the same time, Elijah II allowed himself to say that the relations between the two countries were stalled not because of the fault of Russia or Georgia, but solely through the fault of individuals taken separately.

Mikhail Saakashvili’s supporters of the United National Movement party in Georgia immediately afterwards stated that the Catholicos-Patriarch of All Georgia takes on too much and forgets that he says such words while in the “occupying state”. Most of all, the Georgian parliamentarians from the UNM, headed directly by Mikhail Saakashvili, were outraged by the statements of Ilia II. In particular, deputies Sergo Ratiani and Zurab Dzhaparidze said, quote:

“A conversation with exaggerated respect with the first person of the enemy state will be to the detriment of Georgia’s sovereignty.”

At the same time, Ratiani and Japaridze highlighted the words of the Catholicos about who is to blame for breaking the ties between Georgia and Russia. According to the version of these parliamentarians, Ilia II obviously hinted at Mikhail Saakashvili and thereby denigrated his honest and immaculate name ...
After all these described perturbations, to one degree or another relating to Russian-Georgian relations, a very interesting interview with the BBC Russian Service was given by the Minister of Defense of Georgia, Irakli Alasania. The same Alasania, who during the South Ossetian conflict of the 2008 model of the year, was the ambassador of Georgia to the UN and actively participated in the most powerful political pressure on Russia, using, among other things, non-original disinformation flows ... Today Alasania heads the military department of Georgia, entering simultaneously with this (together with his party) into a coalition with the “Georgian Dream”.

So, the question was asked to Alasania about why Georgia still does not want to sign an agreement on the non-use of force with Russia? The subtext of the question obviously sounded: if Georgia does not sign an agreement on the non-use of force against Russia, does this mean that Georgia still keeps in mind a military solution to the issue of returning South Ossetia and Abkhazia to its womb?
In response to this, Alasania stated that Tbilisi was ready to sign the declaration on such terms as the Russian Federation admits that it occupies 20% of the territory of Georgia. At the same time, Alasania solemnly assured all those who followed the course of his interview that Georgia today has no plans to resolve issues with territorial problems by military means. Translating all this into a more comprehensible language, Alasania “encouraged” everyone by the fact that he didn’t intend to repeat Tbilisi like adventures like the one that Mr. Saakashvili had arranged for 2008 in August. They say Georgia will not attack Russia ... No more, no less ...

Well, for now the politicians and religious figures of Georgia only speak about the possibility of positive contacts with the Russian Federation, the business of the two countries decided to go on a more rapid schedule. In particular, in the near future, such goods from Georgia as wine and mineral water may appear again on the shelves of Russian stores. Only upon closer examination of these products, it turns out that for some time the same mineral water of the famous brand “Borjomi” is not so Georgian. No - of course, it expires from sources located in Georgia, but only to whom does it now belong? .. The fact is that the widow of businessman Badri Patarkatsishvili, Mrs. Gudaladze, decided to sell a certain percentage of IDS Borjomi shares. According to Forbes, a controlling stake in this company, which owned the right to use the Borjomi brand, now belongs to the Alfa Group Financial and Industrial. And Alfa-Group is a Russian company, which already includes such structures as Alfa-Bank, Rosvodokanal, Russian Technologies, Turkcell (the cellular operator of Turkey), Belarusian trade network BelMarket, etc. that Borjomi will now come to the Russian market in the format of products manufactured by the Russian company. And if you consider that Russian business is also interested in Georgian production of alcoholic beverages, it becomes clear that, despite Saakashvili’s desire to isolate the Iron Curtain from Russia, this curtain turns out to be large economic gaps ...

It is obvious that the more such points of contact between Russia and Georgia manifest, the less chance for their destructive rhetoric is left to those who claim that an irresistible gulf has grown between the Russian and Georgian peoples and there is no sense in overcoming it. In the end, even through the most impressive abysses, hinged bridges are built - let for the beginning shaky, but quite capable of eventually turning into something more. But there’s a lot of work to do. On the part of Tbilisi, especially ...
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  1. YARY
    YARY 1 February 2013 08: 20
    angry Paaaaaashashli they forest between the stumps! angry
    1. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 1 February 2013 11: 23
      08.08.08 they showed everything ... maybe in the Soviet era they had a good relationship, but now I personally feel extreme hostility bordering on hatred for them ... I am 25 years old and for my conscious age, Georgians only do what they’re shitting on us ....
    2. Civil
      Civil 1 February 2013 12: 12
      Mishiko will leave, it will be possible to establish relations ... they had a fight and that's enough
  2. older
    older 1 February 2013 08: 29
    Georgia is frantically looking for channels to replenish its budget ... The bet on the West and the USA turned out to be a myth ... Transformation-a myth, improvement of life-a myth ...
    I’m not sure that info about selling Bargomi to us is a plus ... We have a saying, not by washing, so by skating ... but it means by any means to achieve our goal ... And the main goal of Georgia is to enter the huge Russian market again .. .
  3. fenix57
    fenix57 1 February 2013 08: 38
    All of it would be good, only Ivanishvili’s communication with DAM should be limited.
    1. Mitek
      Mitek 1 February 2013 09: 49
      Yes, I wouldn’t let DAM out of the Kremlin at all .. what if he wanders into his fragile mind ... an iPhone he is an iPhone.
      In general, the amers, as predicted, scattered Georgia, used it to the fullest, highest quality, with all the perversions and safely abandoned ...
      1. omsbon
        omsbon 1 February 2013 13: 04
        Well, we don't need "apple bits" either..
        There is no faith betrayed and deceived. Remember the raging crowds in Tbilisi supporting the galacto-eater in his dog attacks on Russia.
        1. Mik rybalko
          Mik rybalko 1 February 2013 22: 23
          Yes, I agree, once betrayed and betrayed a second time. Now let them run and lick Turkey’s ass, and so on condescending, let others think before shitting on the Russian flag.
          Nobody forgave anything to Bendera and the police during the Second World War, but sent them there to where they should be put on the gallows ..
        2. wax
          wax 2 February 2013 02: 08
          This is not about faith, but about the consolidation of the Caucasus on the basis of friendly relations with our country. After 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, the United States realized that making Georgia a second Israel is more expensive for itself.
      2. PDM80
        PDM80 1 February 2013 13: 49
        I support. And now we need to put them quietly under ourselves, but only so that we would know whose bread they eat and before the stake. At the same time, Abkhazia will live more calmly. In general, Russia continues to develop the victory of 2008 good
      3. George
        George 1 February 2013 17: 14
        Mitek hi
        The Yankees Georgia otsaakashvili. What, however, is still being done.
        That's just the fruit of this unhappy and short-lived love will come to the Georgians sideways.
  4. Natalia
    Natalia 1 February 2013 09: 21
    Good morning everyone !!!
    Yeah, at one time, Mr. GEORGE BUSH used Mr. Saakashvili to quarrel neighbors and create unnecessary tension on the borders of Russia. Mr. Saakashvili’s mistake is that he believed that he was a cowboy. For which he paid with wet pants and a tie for breakfast, as well as worldwide shame.
    1. SSR
      SSR 1 February 2013 11: 48
      Quote: Natalia
      that he believed that he was a cowboy

      Yes, he didn’t believe that))) he thinks so, he studied in America, he speaks English and he is the president of the American state of Georgia.
      Having heard from the world media about the blockade by Russia of something called Georgia, some American Internet users found themselves in a difficult position.
      The outrage at the fact that Russian troops inexplicably ended up on the state’s territory even led to proposals to expose Georgia to a nuclear strike.

      As evidenced by the bulletin board on Yahoo! News, they were most interested in the question of what Russian troops are doing in Georgia. "
      What are the Russian troops doing in Atlanta (the state capital)? "- ordinary Americans are perplexed.
      "I need answers, dammit," one asks demandingly.
      "The Russians are out of the USA," replies another.
      “This is really awful, God willing, they will leave,” a third tries to reassure.
      Another, apparently not fond of the state of Georgia, exclaims: "So this means the Georgians have sold out to the commies? Let's strike them with a nuclear strike!"
      - Here Russian wrote something in his own language. Can no one translate?
      - I tried to learn the Russian alphabet, but did not master. It has too many letters. Almost like in Chinese.

      I read and cried crying ))))
      1. Kubanets
        Kubanets 1 February 2013 12: 04
        Thanks for the humor from the amers. Once again I am convinced of the dense dullness and ignorance of the Yankees. And their reaction to information is generally on the verge of a clinic.
    BARKAS 1 February 2013 09: 22
    Most of the major Georgian businessmen Ivanishvili, including those who have interests in Russia, so they solve problems in their own interests in other areas of change is not worth waiting for.
      SASCHAmIXEEW 1 February 2013 09: 41
      Let’s wake up, we have nothing to share with the Georgians, but if their elite looks in our direction, that’s bad! We even have neutrality in their hands!
  6. Mik rybalko
    Mik rybalko 1 February 2013 09: 34
    Georgia as a bankrupt state, the Americans acted with them as they deserved, took advantage and left to their own devices, acted like with used toilet paper ..
    And they want to go back to Russia, but why do they need Russia, what can they offer?
    A pragmatic approach is needed, or they again want to be a parasite on the body of the Russian people, enough Chechens have already had with the Dagestanis ..
    1. botur
      botur 1 February 2013 10: 09
      Quote: Mik Rybalko
      And they want to go back to Russia, but why do they need Russia, what can they offer?

      They may offer to yank at the geyropu, or so whoever they point their finger at.
  7. lexa patriot
    lexa patriot 1 February 2013 09: 35
    HOW Mister MEDVEDEV WILL NOT WHAT ANYTHING, I am more afraid of stupid things and MRAZMA from the side of the KREMLIN They'll take and let Ossetians be given to the Georgians for spiritual kindness.
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 1 February 2013 09: 43
      They will not give, not for that they recognized their independence.
  8. DEfindER
    DEfindER 1 February 2013 09: 51
    The relations of Georgia with the West have led to the fact that the country's external debt with respect to GDP is almost the largest in the world .. how it would be given to Srakošvili it did not bother him at all, he only borrowed more and more for his presidency. The Georgian people felt that they would have to give something back, and Srakoshvili was just a temporary figure, which the amers used for their purposes and would be thrown out as waste material .. Now, there is only one way to solve economic problems, this is cooperation with Russia, because there is no longer anywhere in the world such a market where Georgian products are in demand, except for Russia.
    1. Zlyden.Zlo
      Zlyden.Zlo 1 February 2013 11: 02
      I’m not going to buy Georgian goods from the princes if they appear
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 1 February 2013 22: 00
      Yes Yes. We preserve the "North Atlantic integration", but you Russians, give us the money for living and the return on "integration" of debts! Friedman is too cunning for his own good. I really hope that Onishchenko will still be told not to let all kinds of rubbish enter our market, no matter how it pretends to be "Russian". We, to put it mildly, are not interested in the well-being of such a famously oriented Georgia. No benefit from it, except harm. The border must be fortified, that's what ...
  9. Natalia
    Natalia 1 February 2013 09: 53
    By the way, considering how many business Mr. Sahak has done, not only abroad but also domestically, after the resignation of the president’s powers, he could be threatened with reprisal from his own people.
    He really can go to America with his American wife (by the way, there is Georgia, the state too). Or maybe KUM (Yusch) will provide him with political asylum, by the way, he also has an American wife (he’s going some way, he couldn’t find a wife in Ukraine, it’s impossible that there wouldn’t be beautiful women there).
    1. Skavron
      Skavron 1 February 2013 10: 45
      Well, Yushchu may soon be remembered too ... so that as if the two of them had to go to Georgia))
    2. Geokingxnumx
      Geokingxnumx 1 February 2013 10: 46
      Quote: Natalia
      american wife

      1. PDM80
        PDM80 1 February 2013 13: 52
        Then he chewed a tie! Probably the wife brought the pies from the mother-in-law the wrong ones wassat
    3. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 1 February 2013 10: 48
      Quote: Natalia
      (he’s coming, he couldn’t find a wife in Ukraine

      Well, here it is whom the State Department appointed, that and the wife, let him say thanks that, according to legend, he is not blue.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 1 February 2013 11: 22
        Haaa sure !!!!))))))) laughing good
      2. Prokop
        Prokop 1 February 2013 15: 13
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Well, here it is whom the State Department appointed, that and the wife, let him say thanks that, according to legend, he is not blue.

        He is not blue, only according to legend!
        1. Geokingxnumx
          Geokingxnumx 1 February 2013 15: 38
          Quote: Prokop
          He is not blue, only according to legend!

          are you sure?
    4. Egoza
      Egoza 1 February 2013 13: 45
      Quote: Natalia
      РљРЈРњ (Р®С ‰) предостР° РІРёС ‚РІРѕР» РёС ‚СѓР ± РµР¶РёС ‰ Рµ,

      The godfather's ground burns under his feet, his own party wants to get rid of him. And about his wife - in vain ... She is a native of the Ukrainian diaspora in the United States, a descendant of those very Bandera who managed to scuffle, and in the White House she worked in the "security", had the rank of major. So just right for our nationally preoccupied one.
  10. tan0472
    tan0472 1 February 2013 09: 58
    Until Georgians recognize the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia political rapprochement, in my opinion, is not worth it. What kind of communication can there be with a person (people) who has "a pebble in his bosom and a fig behind his back"?
  11. Natalia
    Natalia 1 February 2013 10: 19
    After the collapse of the USSR, the United States tried to fuck all the former Soviet republics one by one, and that the people were disunited, every one of his own heads .... and they did it a little less than half. In this regard, neighbors simply need to be friends, this is not only a guarantee of stability, it is also a guarantee of security. Because we live here, everything is close, for hundreds of years ... we know each other's problems, we know what we want and how to achieve this ... but sometimes the very same individuals come to power, and under their influence the people forgets that once, that neighbor over there, he gave tea at a party, and now he took grenade launchers, pulimeters, MLRS, and began to kill him with wild joyful screams ... ... not realizing that the new overseas " friends "thus decided to mock all of us.

    Yesterday the USSR was here, and now they are killing each other and tearing to pieces .....
    The most interesting thing is that in America itself and near its borders there was no warrior for about 200 years, maybe that's why they succeeded. And now they are going crazy out of boredom, buying m-4 and m-16 in stores, and shooting each other in schools.

    For this, Georgians in general need to think about it, because it is not for nothing that there is a proverb: An OLD FRIEND IS BETTER THAN TWO
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 1 February 2013 10: 32
      Here we discussed a lot, how Russia forced Georgia to peace ..... How wrong was Mr. Sahak that he attacked a peaceful sleeping city, and even during the Olympics .... Georgia discussed what kind of bad guys we are (girls) that they were occupied by .... and some claimed that it was Russia who attacked first.
      Russia has won. Georgia lost, but meticulously counted down fighters. BUT ......... I’ll tell you a secret, Russia didn’t win this war, much less Georgia. But only the mountains, it’s not clear why, the killed people who were compatriots yesterday, and went to visit each other, celebrated holidays together.
      And in this sense, America has achieved its ......... she has split
      After all, America does not want us to be friends, so we will become stronger .......
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 1 February 2013 10: 39
        America remembers well the times when we were together, and it really does not want to allow this anymore ..... but you know why, because it is COOL
        (even at the level of independent states)
        1. Pit
          Pit 1 February 2013 11: 28
          Oh beautiful girl verb, already wanted to call married love
        2. Vanek
          Vanek 1 February 2013 11: 30
          Quote: Natalia
          and she really doesn’t want to allow this

          So it should be:
          1. Natalia
            Natalia 1 February 2013 11: 51
            Yes ....... YOU are absolutely right, but I (as I am sure of you) in the field would have had enough of this. And I will pray day and night that it would be less than this, SHE did not .....
            1. Vanek
              Vanek 1 February 2013 12: 01
              Quote: Natalia
              Yes ......

              Young lady, you are as always irresistible. love
              1. Natalia
                Natalia 1 February 2013 12: 21
                Thank you))) I try wink
          2. Nikopol
            Nikopol 2 February 2013 02: 23
            I hope you accept constructive criticism - this demotator, frankly, is perplexing. Firstly, who told you that the United States (Nuclear Power) will give up almost 1/3 of its territory - i.e. Alaska Secondly, how it is possible to achieve such indicators of the population that are given in this demotivator. And thirdly - do you yourself believe in such an option for the development of history?
        3. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 1 February 2013 22: 07
          Alas, there are such neighbors ... Until you smash the snout, you will shit on the rug under the door. And if you speak politely, give different arguments, he will crush your cat and will smile in the face. So most of the good neighbors will come to us on their own, we are waiting for them and we feel bad without them. And some will have to be harsh and faced with a tough choice. "If the door is closed in the heart ... you have to knock on the liver."
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 1 February 2013 22: 12
            What happens to those who are rude to the Russian officer ...
            1. Vanek
              Vanek 1 February 2013 22: 44
              Quote: Alex 241
              What happens to those who are rude to the Russian officer ...

              Bravo !!! am
              1. Yoshkin Kot
                Yoshkin Kot 2 February 2013 12: 05
                well done, and Georgians were always weak in spirit
            2. Natalia
              Natalia 3 February 2013 12: 44
              Haaaa Great they broke)))) lol laughing
              Bpavo, bravo)))
      2. Skavron
        Skavron 1 February 2013 10: 47
        And there’s nothing to add ... just + ...
    2. Kubanets
      Kubanets 1 February 2013 12: 20
      Natalia Friendship is good when friends are real and selfless. And when one of the friends suddenly exclaims - "Get out the invader" We saw, passed, were convinced. And therefore it is necessary not to be friends, but to keep on a short leash. In today's world, only strength is respected and even if they are not friends, at least they do not shit.
  12. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 1 February 2013 10: 48
    Although Russia and Georgia tied a tight knot of problems, I believe that with mutual desire everything can be solved.
    I would not delay, I have already invited Georgia to direct negotiations.
    Pride to remove and resentment and consider the prospects of rapprochement and possible unification. He would reach out and give the opportunity, without humiliating the Georgian people, to return to the union.
    Better a bad world than a good war.
    The trouble is that the Kremlin is simply eager for public repentance and humiliation from Georgia, and this is absolutely impossible, this is a stumbling block.
    By the way, if in the end everything goes fine, this relationship story can be successfully used for informational purposes (wars).
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 1 February 2013 12: 06
      Actually, what is the problem, I think that Russia is unlikely to hinder the normalization of relations with Georgia. It's just that Georgia is waiting for us to accept the return of the "occupied territories" ...... but what does it have to do with us, first of all we need to ask the peoples of Abkhazia and South Ossetia themselves (whether they want to return to Georgia) or not, and we just guard them their own request.

      By the way, the whole world believed that we would annex these territories, but we did not. And now these are two independent states. It was they who were bombed yesterday by BM-21 (city) and 9P140 (hurricane), rolled out on T-72 asphalt (modernized in Israel), and Georgia must first of all apologize to them ........

      And Russia ....... it just provides order.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 1 February 2013 12: 15
        And Russia has never set its goal to humiliate someone (this is not our principles and rules), especially our closest neighbors (Georgia).
        Russia simply poured a belt on a conceited relative (who contacted the wrong company), but to kill her, to humiliate ..... Russia would never dare to do this.
        Georgia had once asked for help from Russia (protection from Turkey), and you know that ...
        if suddenly Georgia needs help again, Russia will come ........ and help (the Americans don’t give a damn). But we lived in peace and harmony, and Russia will not demonize Georgia in order to humiliate it, our task consists in order to slaughter itself on the nose: there will always be forces that want to quarrel us, DO NOT be carried on their propaganda ..... ....
      2. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 1 February 2013 13: 13
        Quote: Natalia
        but what does it have to do with us, we must first of all ask the peoples of Abkhazia and South Ossetia themselves (they want to go back to Georgia) or not, and we simply protect them at their request.

        No problem! return to Abkhazia 250 000 the person who caught the signals from their ladies (Georgians Russian Ukrainians Jews, etc.) and in South Ossetia, also return 50 000 citizens to your home and then choose)
        Quote: Natalia
        It was they who were bombed yesterday by BM-21 (city) and 9П140 (hurricane), rolled out on the asphalt of the T-72 (modernized in Israel), and Georgia must first of all apologize to them ........

        where is the hurricane? everyone should apologize!
        Quote: Natalia
        And Russia ....... it just provides order.

        I do not agree !!!
        1. wax
          wax 2 February 2013 02: 25
          Let them come back, there they are waiting for them to pay for two wars. Or do you want Russia to return them and protect them from local residents. Crap one's pants, so don’t ask Russia to wipe your ass, wipe yourself.
    2. Apollo
      Apollo 1 February 2013 22: 27
      Quote: Samsebenum
      Pride to remove and resentment and consider the prospects of rapprochement and possible unification. He would reach out and give the opportunity, without humiliating the Georgian people, to return to the union.

      I welcome you Valery hi I would say so, the interests of Russia and Georgia require this. Politicians come and go and peoples and friendship last forever. So it happened, history, fate ordered that Russia without Georgia. And just like Georgia without Russia, it’s impossible. History, culture , the relations between the two countries and peoples are so intertwined. To break them, it’s the same as cutting it alive. IMHO
      1. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum 1 February 2013 23: 12

        My regards Apollo .
        Everything that you have written is indisputable.
        We will pray for peace and sound mind.
        From me "+".
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 1 February 2013 23: 20
          Quote: Samsebenum
          Everything that you have written is indisputable.
          We will pray for peace and sound mind.

          Good evening, Valery hi
          God grant that relations between Russia and Georgia are improved. good
    3. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 2 February 2013 12: 06
      it’s impossible, it will only encourage them, according to their concepts this is a sign of weakness
  13. anchonsha
    anchonsha 1 February 2013 10: 55
    Yes, Georgia has been walking around American and European freedoms for some time and will understand that nobody really needs it. And she plays the role of a small ball with a poor delivery by Bush Jr., who watched condescendingly how the not-so-smart tie-eater made a really bloody regime in the country. One of the American politicians said that in choosing partners it would be preferable for Georgia to dwell on Russia rather than the USA. Russia is near, and the USA is overseas.
  14. Natalia
    Natalia 1 February 2013 11: 42
    But really ..... after the collapse of the USSR, the United States was almost sure that it was a hat. But it was necessary to get even closer to it (to Russia) (Baltic, Ukraine, Georgia = NATO, ideally Belarus). And for this it is necessary to quarrel Russia with its neighbors, so that the process goes faster, so that the former Soviet Socialist Republics begin to hate Russia.
    And the United States began to show them (and us too) what the American dream was about on our shelves; sneakers, Mars, bounties, Pepsi began to appear ..... McDonald's became fashionable .....
    The process went like that, slowly ...... they were still friends (it’s even more theirs than the CIS), here they came up with projects of color revolutions, leaders were selected who spit on their peoples (Sahak, Yusch).
    And when Russia attempted rapprochement, namely:
    1. make more of the CIS
    2. common economic space
    3. customs union
    4. CSTO ........... etc.
    then the pro-Western leaders had to scream at the top of their lungs: - anxiety !!! They want to return us to the USSR, the imperial ambitions of Russia ......... and America immediately picked up: yeah, democracy is in danger.

    Ehhhhhhh ...... how is it all mean and low ....
    1. wax
      wax 2 February 2013 02: 29
      Ehhhhhhh ...... how is it all mean and low ...

      Here, it is clear that not only is the female nickname, but also the woman behind the nickname. But why did you pick up a weapon?
    2. krisostomus
      krisostomus 2 February 2013 05: 24
      Look at the problem from the other side. Except for the enthusiastic screeching of jingoistic patriots about a "great victory" over such a "great military power" as Georgia - everything else turned out to be a political "puff" - since the political pluses turned out to be much less than the minuses.
      First, in the eyes of the absolutely overwhelming majority of the population of Georgia, as well as the world community, Russia is today viewed as an "occupier" state that has supported the separatist-criminal regime of Kokoity. Secondly, even partners and allies in the Customs Union, the CIS and the CSTO reacted very coolly to Russia's actions, to put it mildly, and even Belarus, a member of the "united state", did not accept the recognition of Ossetia with Abkhazia. Is this not a failure of foreign policy to build relations with neighbors? The only goal of this policy was considered to be a plus - to prevent Georgia from joining NATO because of the "unresolved border problem", but as it turns out, Russia did not achieve this goal either. So what is the result? It seems that nothing but a noticeable cooling of relations between Azerbaijan and Russia and the increasing orientation of Azerbaijan towards Turkey, a NATO member.
      1. Allegedly
        Allegedly 2 February 2013 06: 11
        Quote: krisostomus
        the pros turned out to be significantly less than the minuses

        You will probably be surprised, but Georgia or Ossetia is more indifferent to me than even to you. And what is it like when one country prevented the second country from organizing genocide against a third country? There is a UN charter, and one country has the right to end the lawlessness of another. In general, why Belarus had to accept something, this is absolutely not her business. Why should someone be bothered by someone’s unresolved border issues? Personally, I consider Georgia a more gangster state than Ossetia. What is the story of the Turkish captain of the ship, which for 25 thousand dollars was forgiven 19 years in prison? And everything is official and legal. Where do these prices come from? The whole world has heard about atrocities and torture in Georgian prisons. Do you have this in Estonia too?

        Doesn’t it seem to you that you were four and a half late for Georgian lawyers? It is not Estonian genes that make you not at all? But judging by the phraseology, I dare to assume that you are not Estonian. Although IP is Estonian, say hello to Eesti Telekom. Do you have a couple of blogs, troll a couple of sites to get Estonian citizenship? Is it really so cheaper? Believe me, I am familiar with a sort of people like you, and these people are not aware of honor, conscience or justice ...

        Or maybe this is the only one recently appeared tank in the Estonian army that inspires her (Estonia) that she has messianic obligations to my little blue planet? ...
        1. krisostomus
          krisostomus 2 February 2013 13: 16
          No, dear, I will not be surprised, because you are indifferent not only to Georgia and Ossetia, but also to Russia, because judging by the flag of the country, you are broadcasting from Germany, where, obviously, you moved because of your "lofty" concept of honor, conscience and justice.
          As for the concrete actions of Georgia in relation to South Ossetia, I am absolutely sure that its actions are no more "illegal" than the actions of Russia in Chechnya with exactly the same criminal-separatist regime both in the "style of execution" and in the use of types weapons.
          As for Belarus, it goes without saying that it is her business to recognize someone or not to recognize, but this speaks of completely different views on the foreign policy of the two states trying to build a "single state", as well as the attitude of neighboring states to Russia's foreign policy, which Russia is trying to "integrate" in one way or another under different guises.
          I will note that I also know people like you with "high" ideas about honor, conscience and justice and now living outside Russia - Madame Baturina, Sir Berezovsky and others like them.
      2. Corneli
        Corneli 3 February 2013 17: 29
        Quote: krisostomus
        And look at the problem from the other side.

        Quote: krisostomus
        Except for the enthusiastic screeching of jingoistic patriots about a "great victory" over such a "great military power" as Georgia - everything else turned out to be a political "puff" - since the political pluses turned out to be much less than the minuses.

        Well, about the "squeal", let's say) And about the victory, at least one plus ... Russia, except in Chechnya, did not wage wars, so the "small victorious war" och even in the subject was ... revealed as shortcomings ... so and showed the whole world sho "the bear is not dead yet" and not everything rusted.
        Quote: krisostomus
        Firstly, in the eyes of the absolutely overwhelming majority of the population of Georgia, as well as the world community, Russia is today viewed as an "occupier" state that has supported the separatist criminal regime of Kokoity.

        It is strange that nothing was said about the "regime" of Abkhazia) In addition, under Saakashvili, in the eyes of the above-mentioned, Russia was already not amber ... nothing has changed) Sahak will be removed from the press and very likely that his regime will become "separatist criminal"
        Quote: krisostomus
        Secondly, even the partners and allies in the Customs Union, the CIS and the CSTO reacted to the actions of Russia, very mildly speaking, very cool

        They reacted, how did they react ... in relations with each other, something has changed a lot? And the fact that other countries are eager to support such resonant matters ... yes, yes ... Russia is big, fight off ... And for those who are smaller and weaker, they hang dogs
        P.S. mb I do not know ... where does Azerbaijan?
  15. crambol
    crambol 1 February 2013 12: 01
    Russia and Georgia: close contacts of the third degree

    The economy rules the world. So it was and it will be so!
    1. wax
      wax 2 February 2013 02: 31
      Only the economy has become global, in which the economies of small countries play the role of a bargaining chip.
  16. gen.meleshkin
    gen.meleshkin 1 February 2013 15: 35
    It’s good that the Georgians will not attack Russia, otherwise fear makes me feel from such a perspective. The Georgians were already replenished.
  17. cumastra1
    cumastra1 1 February 2013 16: 13
    As Comrade Sukhov said, the east is a delicate matter. Mishiko came to power in the wake of a revolution, not an election. i.e. he is not a legitimate president. and stick in with him is not worth it. New people will come - we will cook porridge. not all life to fight.
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 2 February 2013 00: 29
      Quote: cumastra1
      New people will come - we will cook porridge. not all my life to fight

      Of course, you don’t have to fight, but you also have to trust them, and even more so make porridge, you’ll just make a haemorrhage again. With this lying and arrogant neighbor, the tougher the better in all areas of cooperation, nor any joint projects and investing money.
  18. homosum20
    homosum20 1 February 2013 20: 24
    I remember a song from a movie about Pinocchio: "field, field, field of miracles - in the land of fools ....".
  19. Stavros-dok
    Stavros-dok 1 February 2013 21: 23
    No one doubted that the cooling of relations between Russia and Georgia would last for one presidential term.
    1. wax
      wax 2 February 2013 02: 34
      Already three, however.
  20. SEM
    SEM 1 February 2013 22: 17
    How not to twist the world, and America can be said that it was wasted in vain, there was no sense and it will not, thanks for the fact that it’s better to see the traitors, now the reunion will go even faster))
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 3 February 2013 19: 19
      Well, it may have been invested in vain, but nevertheless, a split has been introduced in relations between our countries. And they have such a policy in the post-Soviet space for a long time. Here, it’s not even the main thing that Mr. Sahak was able to defeat or not, they nevertheless fulfilled their task; they managed to embroil us ..... and there’s already no way to break them ......
  21. Nikopol
    Nikopol 2 February 2013 02: 30
    The article is of course interen. But the prospects for mutual relations between Georgia and Russia can be quite interesting if both sides make an effort. As they say - under a lying stone, water does not flow.
  22. Ducksar
    Ducksar 3 February 2013 01: 03
    Excuse me, but to "one place" this Georgia ... so that they can return !!! 67 men cannot be returned, not to mention the peaceful population of South Ossetia.