Unknown persons derailed a train with 155 mm shells and missiles for the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Vinnytsia region

Not far from the village of Serebriya in the Vinnytsia region, a train carrying 155 mm shells was derailed and rockets, which were supposed to be delivered to the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

The authors of the telegram channel “Welders” report in particular that

The train was derailed by Ukrainian partisans

According to our data, the train with ammunition actually went off the rails. He came from the direction of Romania. As for the “Ukrainian partisans,” this fact has not yet been confirmed. True, the Ukrainian side does not refute it.

Whether the Ukrainian partisans, or someone else, helped the Ukrainian Armed Forces get rid of such a significant amount of ammunition and weapons is still an open question. However, it is almost unmistakable to assume the following: if these Ukrainian partisans committed one such successful sabotage against Bandera’s army, then, most likely, it will be followed by other sabotage actions, no less significant.

Let us recall that the Ukrainian side constantly talks about the lack of ammunition for combat operations against Russia. Accordingly, the destruction of any batch of artillery shells and missiles is of significant importance. This means that this batch of ammunition will definitely not reach the warehouses and the front line and will not be used against Russian military personnel or civilians.

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[rocket757]

Whether the Ukrainian partisans, or someone else, helped the Ukrainian Armed Forces get rid of such a significant amount of ammunition and weapons is still an open question.

. Exactly, the question is open...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: rocket757

Whether the Ukrainian partisans, or someone else, helped the Ukrainian Armed Forces get rid of such a significant amount of ammunition and weapons is still an open question.

. Exactly, the question is open...

Who wouldn't "help". Regardless of their own carelessness, or even the partisans, the “Russian DRG” will still be to blame. Inciting spy mania is also a plus for Ukraine. The external enemy has been concocted, now the internal enemy must be created to be no less terrible.

America did not spare several thousand people on September 21 for the sake of foreign policy goals. I will not list all the self-inflicted provocations of the owners of Ukraine. I’ll just say that, knowing their indiscriminateness in means and the Ukrainian indiscriminateness in goals, I don’t even rule out a crossbow - why not derail the ammunition? We will then reload the shells, and the fact of “Russian sabotage” is here. Is Ukraine alone a terrorist country?
I apologize in advance for the second part of the comment. Like an old conspiracy theorist, he couldn’t resist poking at the obvious with his finger, trying to discover the incredible underneath...

[Bayun]

As a conspiracy theorist to a conspiracy theorist. "Conspiracy theories" have become PRACTICE everywhere. And we continue to discuss “theories”.

The authorities of ALL countries destroy peoples. This is the 3rd civil world war: the war of the upper classes of Rulers, Businessmen and Servants against their own lower classes and other classes.

[rocket757]

Do you have anything to offer?
Anarchy is the mother of order or something else?

[ALCA056000]

It’s not his business to propose, it’s his business to blow into a puddle in one place.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Bayun

The authorities of ALL countries destroy peoples

Russia does not yet have problems with overpopulation.
So we don’t need state support for same-sex marriage or blocking the production of cheap drugs, everything is fine with us.
But in general, yes, the world is very overpopulated. And they are fighting this as best they can.
But man is part of nature. And nature has mechanisms to combat overpopulation.
Even if the Americans do not create another, more deadly, “coronavirus”, some kind of “ebola” will appear. With such a huge number of people it is inevitable.
Although, most likely, the virus will be artificially created. So that the “diamond hundred million” can create a medicine in advance, before the pandemic.

[Plate]

Quote: Bayun

The authorities of ALL countries destroy peoples.

Yeah. The authorities of all countries destroy those who pay them money. Understood.

[Essex62]

They make money on the cruel exploitation of these very lower classes, and they pay these lower classes, not the other way around, and the lower classes then pay them back. But with the development of scientific and technological progress, fewer and fewer living workers are needed. What do immoral profiteers do with extra mouths at all times and everywhere? Look at the tractor marches in Gayrope from that very "opera". Globalism does not take into account the interests of the natives. Go broke and die out.

[Evil_critic]

Probably meant 11?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Evil_critic

Probably meant 11?

Pardonema, ochepatka...

[Evil_critic]

Yes, everything is fine, it happens, and we’re not in the exam) I just thought maybe I missed it.

[rocket757]

Guess, don’t guess... let it suit us on its own!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: rocket757

Guess, don’t guess... let it suit us on its own!

Let it be... But still, deep down, I would like “Samo” to be noted in the closed award list.

[rocket757]

Well, yes, an old Soviet joke about two crocodiles!
Although, now there are plenty of new ones.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Let it just...

I have seen freight trains derailed. In both cases, only 2 cars came off. There were no capsizes.
So, the news is so-so. If the partisans had tried, they probably would have taken a photo and posted it online. And so... all that remains is to guess on the tea leaves. Most likely a duck.

[VSO-396]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Quote: Zoldat_A

Let it just...

I have seen freight trains derailed. In both cases, only 2 cars came off. There were no capsizes.
So, the news is so-so. If the partisans had tried, they probably would have taken a photo and posted it online. And so... all that remains is to guess on the tea leaves. Most likely a duck.

Destruction of ammunition is their detonation. Everyone would have heard the explosion. And the shells don’t detonate; aren’t they transported with fuses screwed in?

[Zamira]

Quote: Zoldat_A

We will then reload the shells, and the fact of “Russian sabotage” is here. Is Ukraine alone a terrorist country?

Is the destruction of enemy ammunition during war considered terror?
In my opinion, this shouldn't be the case...
Well, maybe I don’t understand something... in “international” law...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Zamira

Is the destruction of enemy ammunition during war considered terror?
In my opinion, this shouldn't be the case...
Well, maybe I don’t understand something... in “international” law...

You are absolutely right, but it seems to Ukrainians that they understand “international” law not only better than you, but also better than anyone in the world.
Firstly, the cargo is military, but the rails are peaceful.
Secondly - “What do we care about?..”
It's not so simple ...

[fruc]

the train was derailed by Ukrainian partisans

It would be nice to add a strike from the sky on the train and make a fireworks display using detonated ammunition.

[ALCA056000]

Well, otherwise the farmers will gather them up and take them away.

[sgrabik]

It is strange and annoying that we know about these trains with ammunition, but for some reason we do not destroy them, but rather we hope for some mythical Ukrainian partisans, as they say, hope but do not fail yourself.

[your vsr 66-67]

Quote: rocket757

Whether the Ukrainian partisans, or someone else, helped the Ukrainian Armed Forces get rid of such a significant amount of ammunition and weapons is still an open question.

. Exactly, the question is open...

Was there a train? Or is a couple of carriages already a train?
ps. I don’t know how many carriages there were, but I know how our journalists make mountains out of molehills!

[rocket757]

And this can happen... alas, alas, one can only regret the quality of journalism.

[fif21]

Quote: rocket757

. Exactly, the question is open...

A joke from the USSR: A man comes out of the forest and asks an old woman from the last hut: Granny! Are there Germans in the village? Oh, what are you saying, my dear! The war ended 40 years ago! Oh, granny! And we're still derailing trains!

[rocket757]

And this only confirms that folk art is the most... eternal. Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!

[al3x]

Very good. Great! XXXLs recruit our “sympathizers” through the Internet to commit sabotage. I hope ours are also working in this direction. Why not. I think there will be people in Ukraine who, for a good reward, will be able to derail a train.

[neworange88]

And what’s great. The shells are not destroyed. They can be collected and taken to the front, but if we finally had analogues of the Harop UAV (ala Lancets, only with a larger warhead and a destruction radius of about 1000 km), then they could would work on the composition with ammunition and the ammunition would detonate, and not just go downhill along with the train. Orion, after all, has control via a broadband channel. So what’s the problem? Is it expensive? Or is there no desire?

[al3x]

Well, at least that's good. Anything is better than the unhindered supply of all these weapons to the frontier.

[Andrey Moskvin]

Well, if there had been a detonation in one carriage, the rest of the shells would have just as easily scattered. Remember the fires in warehouses. They burn for days, and explosions are only caused by heating.

[Poplar]

That's what I thought too. It was necessary to at least jump away from the grenade launcher. I understand that this, of course, is much riskier, and yet more effective. Well, at least this way. Maybe at least the missiles received damage that is incompatible with use.

[neworange88]

Quote: Poplar

That's what I thought too. It was necessary to at least jump away from the grenade launcher. I understand that this, of course, is much riskier, and yet more effective. Well, at least this way. Maybe at least the missiles received damage that is incompatible with use.

If there were enough Orions, they could work out ASP on train cars with ammunition.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Poplar

It was necessary to at least jump away from the grenade launcher.

Where to go?

[fif21]

Quote: Poplar

It was necessary to at least jump away from the grenade launcher.

Maybe they were waiting for Macaroni there?

[dmi.pris1]

Most likely it’s a matter of intelligence. You can also kill it with the Iskander.

[neworange88]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Most likely it’s a matter of intelligence. You can also kill it with the Iskander.

Yeah, from Iskander. Maybe it would be better to start with Sarmat? There won't be enough Iskanders for each wagon with ammo, and it will be unreasonably expensive. It is not yet known what costs more, an Iskander or a wagon with ammo. We need low-visibility UAVs with a flight radius of 1000-1500 km with the ability to use ASP or, at worst, carry out drops like the same Baba Yaga, made by reworking an agricultural drone. We need a relatively inexpensive UAV, mass-produced, but with a large flight radius, the ability to use ASP. Something like Geraniums in price, but reusable. Maybe the Iranians have something similar?

[dmi.pris1]

You don’t have to do anything at all. Because what you are talking about is simply not available or tested in combat conditions. And yes, comparing the cost of the car and the troubles that it can cause from the car is at least incorrect

[neworange88]

Well, what about Orion-RU with ASP? It has been used since 2022. And the price of its ASP is not that high and using them on the same wagons with BC is quite economically justified. But for this, it is necessary to launch serial production of Orion-RU in order to reduce the production cost and have them available in the required quantity. It is possible to create an economy version of Orion, if only to maintain a large flight radius, control over a broadband channel and the ability to use relatively inexpensive but powerful ASP.

[Alex777]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

You don’t have to do anything at all. Because what you are talking about is simply not available or tested in combat conditions. And yes, comparing the cost of the car and the troubles that it can cause from the car is at least incorrect

I support. I think that our DRG worked.
Unexpectedly deep, but my friends went to
404 raids up to 2 weeks.

[fif21]

Quote: Alex777

Unexpectedly deep, but my friends went to
404 raids up to 2 weeks.

Russians have long arms, let those who like to travel to Kyiv by train know this.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

neworange88, Where and how long will the Orion fly from, if we are talking about the station Serebriya near Mogilev-Podolsky? It is about 500 km from Crimea and where can I catch this train? Maybe the Transnistrian partisans have become more active, it is a stone's throw from them to this station. But for now, there is a greater chance that the train simply derailed without external influence, which happens.

[neworange88]

But to obtain information, satellites or the same agents are needed, again reconnaissance from the same UAVs that can patrol enemy territory for days, preferably with a large flight radius and quickly transmit information.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

UAVs that can patrol for days over enemy territory,
Does this happen in this war and deep in enemy territory? You are an optimist, however! There are also self-defense posts with slingshots and bows all around. , which will not allow our Orions to fly.

[neworange88]

Are you suggesting relying on partisans? Not a good prospect. As they say, trust in God, but don’t make a mistake yourself. The same Ukrainian Baba Yagas cause a lot of problems, although it’s just a converted agricultural drone from Ali Express and yes, it gets shot down too, but it creates a lot of problems and there’s not much control over it at the front They laugh, just as you are now laughing at the idea of ​​the widespread use of inexpensive UAVs. No one is laughing at the same FPV drones.

[neworange88]

There should be a lot of UAVs and their price should not be high, so as not to be afraid of losing them, but to use them as consumables like the same Geraniums, Lancets, FPV drones.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

And from the very beginning I was interested in the question, why are there no saboteurs in the rear?
With modern means of sabotage, when timers and remote detonations are no problem, planting 2 kg of TNT on a rail is not much of a conspiracy. Even in densely populated Ukraine, there are many places where the railway runs far from sight and any control. And I won't even mention the Carpathian passes, an ideal place for sabotage on the railway.

[neworange88]

Until recently, we at the top did not have a basic idea of ​​what was really happening in Ukraine and what the mood was there until 2022, all the information was received from supposedly “pro-Russian” Ukrainians, and you want us to have partisans/saboteurs in Western Ukraine.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

No, I'm not even talking about Kovpak and Medvedev, I'm talking about our trained saboteurs from the GRU and special forces, who can be sent to the rear and brought out after the sabotage. Perhaps this is how it was from the very beginning. It's just that such work will never be advertised in the media, it should be quiet and unofficial, with a complete denial of our involvement.

[solar]

I'm talking about our trained saboteurs from the GRU and special forces, who can be sent to the rear and taken out after sabotage

Where to take them? To Berdichev? Vinnitsa is far from the Russian border and the local population is not very friendly. Even with "dropping them off" there will be big problems. I'm afraid you have too cinematic-romantic ideas about saboteurs and their capabilities.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

Sergey, take the example of N. Kuznetsov, who was given documents of the German officer Paul Siebert, and with them he freely passed all the posts and patrol checkpoints....
Maybe, on the contrary, you have too primitive an understanding of the work of the GRU and special forces behind enemy lines? And I am sure that now is simply not the time to write about all the exploits and actions behind enemy lines, so as not to harm this unique work.

[ln_ln]

Collect?
What if the fuses go off?
When striking steel against steel, the accelerations can be very high.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote from: ln_ln

Collect?
What if the fuses go off?
When striking steel against steel, the accelerations can be very high.

There are two points.
1. The projectile with the fuse must withstand a fall onto a concrete floor from a height of 5 meters.
2. Shells are transported by railway without fuses. More precisely, the shells are separate, the fuses are separate.

[Normann]

So you answered your own question.)

[VPK-65]

Quote from: neworange88

The shells were not destroyed. They can be collected

And in order to “NOT collect” you need fall on the bridge, you can’t lift it from the bottom...

[Horn]

This can cause damage to the railway. And this is “not our method”, firstly, losses will be caused to shareholders - secondly. And most importantly, this whole mess does not serve the purpose.

[VPK-65]

Quote: Horn

And this is “not our method”

Bridges from Romania and Moldova to Ukraine "this is different" ))
https://topwar.ru/197168-predstavleny-kadry-s-udarom-po-mostu-cherez-dnestrovskij-liman-v-odesskoj-oblasti.html

[Irokez]

Quote: al3x

I think there will be people in Ukraine who, for a good reward, will be able to derail a train.

I suspect that these are still surviving Kovpak detachments. Well, comrade denazified the Nazis. And we need to support.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

Cool, I remember in the Philippines, 30 years after WW2, Japanese soldiers came out of the forest, having not received the orders to surrender. And our Kovpak is still fighting!!!

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Saburov_Alexander53

our Kovpak is still fighting!!!

Kovpak Sidor Artemyevich was born in 1887.
According to the established version, he died in 1967.
But this, of course, is for conspiracy purposes. He's on duty.
Why did you wait for two years and not touch the trains with shells?
So the age is 137 years old. While I got off the stove, I remembered where I got the explosives...

[carpenter]

Quote: Captain Pushkin

Kovpak Sidor Artemyevich was born in 1887.

Such people are not born now. My grandson is in the first grade, and there is only one Ukrainian student there, and he says straight to the teacher’s face, “how I hate you.”

[carpenter]

Not far from the village of Serebria, Vinnytsia region, a train with 155 mm shells and missiles, which were supposed to be delivered to the Ukrainian Armed Forces, was derailed

Why didn’t the Russian Aerospace Forces notice earlier?

[Shtyn dwarf]

Maybe because they are opposed by NATO, which has x100 times more satellites??? Still can’t figure out who Russia is fighting with?

[carpenter]

Quote: Shtynsky Dwarf

Still can’t figure out who Russia is fighting with?

You know, I figured this out back in 1990.

[Shtyn dwarf]

and what is your recipe for Victory if you “figure it out”?

[carpenter]

Quote: Shtynsky Dwarf

and what is your recipe for Victory if you “figure it out”?

May 9, 1945. Two grandfathers were at the Victory Parade.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

Why didn’t the Russian Aerospace Forces notice earlier?
We don’t fly that far behind the front. But for a cruise missile you need absolutely accurate and preferably stationary objects. Or the movement schedule of trains with ammunition, I’m working on this... I already asked Yandex, but he sent me...

[nikolas 83]

Off topic. Sorry. Koksohim in Avdeevka is also ours. Guys, low bow to you. https://t.me/sashakots/45042

[alexey sidykin]

Quote: nikolas 83

Off topic. Sorry. Koksohim in Avdeevka is also ours. Guys, low bow to you. https://t.me/sashakots/45042

Great if so. Low bow to them. But so far only the flag has been raised. It’s still a long time before “Koksokim everything” happens.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

“As for the “Ukrainian partisans”” -

***
- Just wish there were less than three Ukrainians in this partisan detachment...
***

[paul3390]

The late Chorovol used to say that the classic joke about a Ukrainian partisan detachment of three people with a traitor was incorrect. There's not one traitor there...

[Vladimir M]

The news is certainly good and we can rejoice.... But I would like to see photo (video) confirmation. And also, Dima Batut and citizen Konashenkov manage to "calculate" individual guns and MLRS installations. What prevents them from "calculating" and striking trains. A train cannot move constantly - it still makes stops at railway sections... I fully understand that now the "hurray-patriots" will get excited.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

But the note contains two messages at once: derailed and derailed...
Which message is correct? After all, going off the rails does not always mean serious damage...

[ASM]

Well, I sincerely congratulate the heirs of our partisans from the Great Patriotic War. Beat the bastard on Russian lands, beat him without pity! The main thing is that the technical and technical parts are delivered on time.

[Incvizitor]

We need to caliber it while there.

[Leshak]

The longer no one knows who did it, the better.
For such cases, the popularity of the procedure is unnecessary.

[alexey sidykin]

He could have easily gotten off on his own... probably the sleepers haven’t been changed since the 80s, just like the Yankees

[Fizorg]

Quote: Vladimir M

The news is certainly good and we can rejoice.... But I would like to see photo (video) confirmation. And also, Dima Batut and citizen Konashenkov manage to "calculate" individual guns and MLRS installations. What prevents them from "calculating" and striking trains. A train cannot move constantly - it still makes stops at railway sections... I fully understand that now the "hurray-patriots" will get excited.

For now you can watch video and photo confirmation from Avdeevvka

[zloybond]

The shells will not reach if they are detonated. Which is not mentioned in the article. Otherwise, they will waste time getting ready. and they will take you further. so now is the time to send airplanes there or something else.

[Wayfarer_2]

Come on, they all exploded or something. They will collect it, load it into a new train, and that’s it. Postponement only. The locomotive may have shut down, that's a good thing. Still, not bad. Next time it would be good to derail a train with artillery or tanks. Those can be damaged in a crash.

[guest]

However, it is almost unmistakable to assume the following: if these Ukrainian partisans committed one such successful sabotage against Bandera’s army, then, most likely, it will be followed by other sabotage actions, no less significant.

It seems that this has already happened in Odessa, then this was the second train.

[75 Sergey]

Well done, otherwise ours is tighter, and then it’s puffing up there.
At least not through one gate

[abrakadabre]

As rightly noted here, the main question is whether there was detonation during the derailment. The missiles, let's say, are damaged in this case. But I don’t care about shells.

[voffka]

We wish the unknown to continue to remain so

[Volunteer Marek]

Downhill is good. Was there detonation? Otherwise, they will collect and deliver. Just delayed. So now the detonator should be delivered there immediately. A missile or a drone.

[NakedMan]

Not bad idea. Although, probably, entire carriages have already been driven away, but simply scattered ammunition is not so easy to detonate.

[aleks700]

Wow! Not Dnepropetrovsk from the east, but western ones from Vinnitsa! This means that we were unable to bomb the railway tracks, but the partisans were able to. If not fake, these guys are real heroes.

[Alexey G]

the train was derailed by Ukrainian partisans

But this is a rail war. Possibly organized by Russian Defense Ministry intelligence!
If so, well done! We've been waiting for a long time! We need a detachment of Medvedev and Kuznetsov behind enemy lines!

[bone1]

We can only rely on the partisans - ours, because it’s a pity to bomb a piece of iron or something.

[mc1aren]

did the shells detonate or what?..

[solar]

If they had detonated, not only welders, but also turners, milling operators and others would have reported it.

[fiv]

At the farm seance, instead of the spirit of Bandera (so that he would burn in hell), they disturbed the spirit of Kovpak. Now hold on, banderlogs!

[Nord11]

Well, that’s it, that means Kyiv will send Sonderkommandos there to restore order and punish the perpetrators. Yak was started under Bandera’s grandfathers..

[alebdun2000]

What will happen to the shells? The paint will only be scratched. The detonators in the shells are not screwed in, so they won’t go off, but they will be collected and sent further. A bit late

[Ig sura]

The best thing in this case is to remain silent or remain silent

[solar]

Actually between

the train was derailed

и

the ammunition train really went off the rails

very big difference. The author of the article, it seems, himself does not really believe in the welders’ statement about partisan sabotage.

this fact has not yet been confirmed. True, the Ukrainian side does not refute it.

Perhaps they simply don’t read the telegram channel “Welders”.

[olerich]

I think everything is much simpler, the PMS workers were mobilized, or they themselves went elsewhere. There is no one to monitor the railway tracks. Here is the result.

[solar]

PMS workers mobilized

Are these gynecologists, or what? :))
I think that derailments of cars happen in all countries, even if none of the railway workers are mobilized.
Moreover, the article was written based on the OBS source. :))

[stankow]

Well, if it's true. But in such an incident, not all the cars come off. And not all the shells fall out and are rejected. And not all the cars carry shells. An explosion is needed for a good result.

[Prisoner]

Don't they look like Petrov and Bashirov?

[Victal]

At the crash site, the Russian command was obliged to strike with Geraniums and Daggers. And so they will load it and take it to the front

[Yuri L]

A recent story. An old partisan: Granny, are there Germans in the village? Like Germans, you fool, the war has been over for almost 80 years. Oh, I'm old, I'm still tearing up trains on the railroad. Wait a minute, in Kyiv it's been 10 years since Bandera has been sitting back. You brought me back to life, it turns out I'm doing everything right.

[bug120560]

Personally, what worries me is not who helped, but why from Romania, Poland, etc., such “good” gets to Ukraine with virtually no obstacles?

[storm]

The SVO should have started with the blocking of the western transport corridor, and not boasted of one-time actions for the first time in two years..

[_KM_]

It looks like a fire in a warehouse on the eve of an audit, and not like partisans.