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The Israeli Air Force hit the suburbs of Damascus

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The Israeli Air Force hit the suburbs of DamascusThe target of the aircraft was the military research center of the Ministry of Defense of Syria in Gemray near Damascus. According to preliminary data, two people died, there are wounded. The building of the center and one of the neighboring buildings were completely destroyed. There is no explanation from Israel yet.


Israeli airplanes entered Syrian airspace on a low altitude on the north side of Mount Hermon on Wednesday morning and were not detected by radar. The communiqué refuted reports previously reported by foreign media that Israeli pilots allegedly attacked a military convoy, which followed from Syria to Lebanon.

"The destruction of the facility in Gemrai is a blatant violation of the sovereignty of Syria," the Syrian military command said. This attack, the statement notes, clearly proves Israel’s direct involvement, along with Turkey and Qatar, in the terrorist campaign against Syria.

"The new aggressive action will add to the list of Israeli crimes against Arabs and Muslims, but it will not weaken Syria and its role, it will not force the Syrian people to refuse to support liberation movements, the just cause of Arabs and Palestinians," the document says.

Recall that at the beginning of the week, Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Silvan Shalom announced that the Jewish state would be forced to use force if chemical weapon will fall into the hands of Syrian or Lebanese militants, "This would be the intersection of all the" red lines "that would require a different approach, including even a preventive operation. In principle, this should not happen," the Israeli politician said then.

Chemical weapons can be stored at the fired military facility near Damascus

Chemical weapons can be stored in a military research center near Damascus, which was hit by the Israeli Air Force, reports Reuters news agency referring to diplomats from three countries on Thursday.

"In Jamray (between Damascus and the Lebanese border), allegedly, chemical weapons are stored, and perhaps the convoy of trucks that Israel claims was hit was near this object when it was attacked," the agency reports. At the same time, sources exclude that chemical weapons could be transported directly on convoy vehicles, adds Reuters. One of the Western diplomatic sources told the agency that the purpose of the attack was a truck with weapons, in particular, with missiles or anti-aircraft complexes, heading for Lebanon.

Other sources in the United States confirmed to the Associated Press that the attack was on a convoy that, according to Israel, could carry weapons to destroy air targets.

At the same time, the UN has no information about the impact of the Israeli air force on Wednesday in Lebanon and Syria. This was announced on Wednesday by the deputy spokesman for the general secretary of the world organization Eduardo Del Buay.

According to him, the UN peacekeepers deployed in southern Lebanon drew attention to the increased activity of the Israeli Air Force. "The UN forces recorded many incidents of intrusion into the airspace of the country. This is all the information that we have," said Eduardo Del Bui.

Meanwhile, the news Al-Watan service reported Wednesday of fierce fighting in the southern outskirts of Damascus - in Kadam, Hajr al-Aswad and Tadamuna, as well as in the northern part of the Yarmouk refugee camp. Armed extremists, the newspaper notes, are trying to expand the war zone on the outskirts of the capital. Army units pursue their formations in Mlikh, Sbein and Duma.

Due to the deterioration of the situation, the military postponed the process of returning residents to the suburb of Harastu, most of which was released at the beginning of the week.

The political sensation was the statement by the head of the National Coalition of Syrian opposition and Revolutionary Forces (NKORS) about their readiness to engage in dialogue with government officials. Sheikh Ahmed Muaz al-Khatib, published on Wednesday on his page on the social network Facebook a statement in which he explained that he was taking such a step "in the name of stopping the bloodshed and saving the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians."

"I received news that the Syrian government invited the opposition to dialogue and instructed the Prime Minister to lead it. Therefore, given the plight of my country and people, I declare that I am ready to sit at the negotiating table in Cairo, Tunisia or Istanbul directly with the representatives of the Syrian regime, "- said the leader NKORS. He called his decision a gesture of "goodwill", demonstrated in order to arrive at a political settlement of the crisis and the beginning of the transition period.

At the same time, al-Khatib set forth two preliminary conditions. Firstly, this is the release from 160 prisons of thousands of participants in the uprising, "first of all, arrested women and political prisoners in Sednaia", and, secondly, the issuance of new passports by Syrian embassies to emigrants or at least two years .

The initiative of the sheikh, who belongs to a prominent family of Muslim theologians, according to unofficial sources, caused a positive response in Damascus. The irreconcilable opposition in the person of the Syrian National Council, which is part of NKRS, however, immediately rejected the decision of al-Khatib, stressing that his move "does not share the rest of the coalition leadership."
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 31 January 2013 08: 18
    +3
    Well, has it started?
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 31 January 2013 08: 21
      +4
      It's time to say:

      - Slavik, Choi I’ll kill you.
    2. Hammer
      Hammer 31 January 2013 08: 40
      27
      I'm afraid you're right ... Apparently this is the beginning of the last act of the "great Marlison ballet" conducted from Washington, called "bending over the recalcitrant Assad" ... In general, this is not a bell, but a whole alarm .... shitty.
      Under the pretext of "not allowing chemical weapons to fall into the hands of terrorists," Tel Aviv and apparently soon both Turkey and then the United States will begin to provide direct fire support to the rebels. They will strike at the administrative and military command centers. As I understand it, the Syrians have a weak point, this management is there and they will hammer ...
      In general, now everything will depend on the position of Russia in this matter. Now I think everyone is really looking forward to what Moscow will say ... we are also waiting ....
      1. YARY
        YARY 31 January 2013 08: 55
        +6

        In the meantime, this
        1. YARY
          YARY 31 January 2013 09: 00
          22
          The question is, where is the air defense?If the "strike" was in the suburbs of Damascus, then this is just an amazing thing. There the air defense would "rock" the flyers. But judging by the applications, they walked through the "easy" and bombed. There are a lot of questions. I'll call and find out.
          1. YARY
            YARY 31 January 2013 09: 06
            +9
            Syrian "opposition": No weapons, no money. Even Hillary didn't come ...
            In Paris, an international conference was held in support of the governing body of the Syrian opposition - the National Coalition of Opposition and Revolutionary Forces (NCORS).
            It was attended by French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius, 3 vice-chairmen (maybe vice-chairperson?) Of the NKORs, as well as senior officials from more than 50 countries and regions of the world, as well as international organizations.
            At the opening ceremony, L. Fabius and Deputy Chairman of the NSCOR Riad Seif made speeches, calling for financial and material support to the NSCOR, to fulfill the commitments undertaken during the 4th meeting of the Group of Friends of Syria, which took place on December 12 in Marrakesh / Morocco /.
            “We need at least $ 500 million to form a workable government,” said the head of the National Syrian Council, George Sabra, to reporters. - Also we need weapons, weapons and weapons again. ”
            "Kislyarsky still today had such a delicious and calm dinner, ate chicken navels, broth with nuts and knew nothing about the terrible" Union of the sword and plowshare "...
            - Citizens! - said Ostap, opening the meeting. - Life dictates its laws, its cruel laws. I will not tell you about the purpose of our meeting — you know it. The goal is holy. Everywhere we hear groans. From all over our vast country cry out for help. We must lend a helping hand, and we will extend it. Some of you serve and eat bread and butter, others engage in latrine and eat sandwiches with caviar. Both of them sleep in their beds and hide in warm blankets. Only small children, street children, are without a prize. These flowers of the street, or, as the proletarians of intellectual labor put it, flowers on asphalt, deserve a better fate. We, gentlemen of the jury, must help them. And we, gentlemen of the jury, will help them ...
            MORE
            1. YARY
              YARY 31 January 2013 09: 07
              +1
              Ippolit Matveyevich did not even try to understand anything. He had long given up on everything and sat silently, puffing out his cheeks ...
              The owner of Fastpack was extremely pleased. "Nicely composed," he decided, "under such a sauce, and you can give money. In case of success - honor! It didn't work out - my work is the sixteenth. I helped the children - and that's the end of it" ...
              Kislarsky was in seventh heaven. The head of gold, he thought. It seemed to him that he had never loved so much
              street children like this evening.
              - Comrades! - continued Ostap. “I need immediate help.” We have to wrest the children from the tenacious clutches of the street
              tear them out of there. We will help the children. Let us remember that children are the flowers of life. I invite you to make your contributions right away and help children, only children and no one else. Do you understand me?
              Ostap pulled a receipt book from his side pocket.
              “I'll ask you to make contributions.” Ippolit Matveyevich will confirm my authority ...
              - Have to serve the Fatherland. The West will help us. Brace yourself. The complete secret of contributions, that is, organizations!
              “They have been following us for two months already, and, probably, tomorrow we will be ambushed at the safe house. We'll have to shoot back "...
              1. YARY
                YARY 31 January 2013 09: 08
                +2
                Do you understand now what level this conference is in Paris?
                Here are the press confessions.
                They write Izvestia. Article "The West is afraid to give weapons to the Syrian opposition":
                "The conference of the Syrian opposition, which was attended by about 50 countries and international organizations, was held on January 28 in Paris and did not bring results.
                The Syrian National Coalition of Opposition and Revolutionary Forces, which the West has already recognized as the legitimate representative of the Syrian people, has failed to convince their partners to allocate money to them and provide them with modern weapons. (Ostap was more fortunate - he collected as much as 500 rubles).
                The opposition has not yet succeeded in forming a transitional government, and this has repeatedly been called by the French president François Hollande a condition for providing assistance to the NKORs.
                Moaz al-Khatyb, the chairman of the NKORS, was not at the conference in Paris, who apparently considered that the working level of the forum and the absence of top officials, especially Hillary Clinton, were not for him. (!)
                Instead, his deputies arrived - Sunni Riad Safe and Christian Georges Sabra.
                Last December, Qatar raised the issue of supplying arms to the Syrian opposition, but then the “Friends of Syria” referred to the current EU embargo on arms supplies to the conflict zone. Then it was extended for three months.
                In February, EU foreign and defense ministers will review it again.
                However, fears that anti-aircraft systems will fall into Syria into the hands of Islamic radicals such as the gathering force of the Al-Nusra Front group are now worrying not only Europeans, but also the United States.

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                1. YARY
                  YARY 31 January 2013 09: 09
                  +4
                  French diplomats are not commenting on the prospects for arms supplies to Syria.
                  “The lifting of the European embargo rests on Brussels' negative attitude towards radical Islamist groups,” Philippe Migo, an expert on military-political issues at the French Institute of International Relations and Security, told Izvestia. “Obviously, French troops in the Sahara-Sahel zone are fighting against the well-equipped and well-funded Al Qaeda units.”
                  The experience of the Libyan conflict shows that the supply of modern weapons to the opposition can lead to the opposite effect, Izvestia writes.

                  It is not even funny.
                  "12 chairs" is funnier.
                  This meeting is a sign that soon NKORS will be struggled not for millions of dollars, but for cents.
                  And to fight not for a war for power in Syria, but for one’s own food.
                  Exactly such a prospect for the activists of the "Union of the Sword and the Ora ...", excuse the NCORS, was lucidly drawn in Paris.
                  Their boss knew everything beforehand, and therefore he stayed at home to eat chicken bones like Kislyarsky.


                  Sergei Filatov
                  1. Papakiko
                    Papakiko 31 January 2013 10: 35
                    +2
                    Oh, not without reason did not return one of the four “Italians”.
                    It is not in vain that Israel buys high-precision "Zhidovsky" bombs from the United States.
                    Oh hard time begins for the Syrians.
                    So they do not fight with gangs in the suburbs of Damascus
                    and in the Dutch heights before the New Year, the "fuss" went like a publicity.
                    Everything, as in 08.08.08. started over the heights and continued ............................
                    GDP with Shoigu and Gerasimov yesterday and this was discussed (including).

                    Who will tell Tartus which ship from the interconnected connection has entered for "repair"?
                    1. aksakal
                      aksakal 31 January 2013 11: 55
                      +2
                      Quote: Papakiko
                      Everything, as in 08.08.08. started over the heights and continued ............................ The GDP from Shoigu and Gerasimov yesterday discussed this (including).
                      - what did they discuss there? That's all, this blow clearly shows - the no-fly zone will be tomorrow! And it was precisely at this moment that Russia was disbanding the Sredizmenomorskaya squadron - they did not even have time to sail! Have you handed over? What arrangements? Was it worth it? What can it cost as much as the shame of Russia to surrender Assad and further consolidate the status of Russia as an extremely unreliable power, ready to betray for thirty geopolitical pieces of silver? Aw. Russians, we, Kazakhstanis, are watching the situation! And I don’t even like the silence of Russian officials about this attack!
                      1. Papakiko
                        Papakiko 31 January 2013 12: 37
                        +1
                        Native heart, why are you starting to wave your sword?
                        Maybe you need to be sent to Syria and you bare-foot show how to destroy tanks and fighters with fireballs from your ass and shoot down planes from the same place with lightning bolts?
                        You, as an independent state of KAZAKHSTAN, what have you done in 20 years for what happens to happen and will happen (Libya, Egypt, Syria, Mali, Iraq, Iran, etc.) to prevent this from happening?

                        Quote: aksakal
                        What can it cost as much as the shame of Russia to surrender Assad and further consolidate the status of Russia as an extremely unreliable power, ready to betray for thirty geopolitical pieces of silver? Aw. Russians, we, Kazakhstanis, are watching the situation! And I don’t even like the silence of Russian officials about this attack!

                        These lines can clearly describe your possible future behavior.
                        Although, in the situation with Baikonur, everything is very clearly visible for the further development of the independent Kazakh people. It is not annoying to see all this. hi
                      2. Beck
                        Beck 31 January 2013 13: 16
                        +6
                        Quote: Papakiko
                        Maybe you need to be sent to Syria (Aksakala)


                        Quote: Papakiko
                        You, as an independent state of KAZAKHSTAN, what you have done in 20 years,


                        Dear, do not disturb the porridge with your finger. And why are you confusing Aksakal’s personal opinion with the official policy of Kazakhstan. You are not responding to the Prime Minister of Kazakhstan. These are very big Differences.

                        Roughly speaking, why should government levels be introduced into confrontation? Our governments will find a way out. What are the other enemies missing?
                      3. Papakiko
                        Papakiko 31 January 2013 13: 51
                        -2
                        Quote: Beck
                        Dear, do not disturb the porridge with your finger. And why are you confusing Aksakal’s personal opinion with the official policy of Kazakhstan. You are not responding to the Prime Minister of Kazakhstan. These are very big Differences.Roughly speaking, why should government levels be introduced into confrontation? Our governments will find a way out. What are the other enemies missing?

                        Taki Aksakal "rude" or did he cross the road to the Government levels? The opinion of the Aksakal is very clear and clear on that the answer with questions and conclusions was written.
                        And you confuse "warm with soft" and "finger porridge", moreover, constantly.
                        And again, I have many friends of a family of Kazakh nationality, and I live in the Urals and Kazakhs, by the way, also live here and not in Kazakhstan. love
                      4. Beck
                        Beck 31 January 2013 14: 04
                        +1
                        Quote: Papakiko
                        Taki Aksakalu "was rude" or


                        Oh well. I did not mean to offend you in any way. This is for imagery. Simply, I agree with someone, so answer him. And why because of one to collect everything in a heap.
                    2. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 31 January 2013 16: 10
                      0
                      Quote: Beck
                      Dear, do not disturb the porridge with your finger. And why are you confusing Aksakal’s personal opinion with the official policy of Kazakhstan. You are not responding to the Prime Minister of Kazakhstan. These are very big Differences.

                      I support your opinion !! +++
                    3. Beck
                      Beck 31 January 2013 19: 07
                      0
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      I support your opinion !!


                      Greetings!
                2. aksakal
                  aksakal 31 January 2013 17: 52
                  +1
                  Papakiko,
                  Quote: Papakiko
                  Although, in the situation with Baikonur, everything is very clearly visible for the further development of the independent Kazakh people. It is not annoying to see all this.
                  “Dear, what does Baikonur have to do with it?” Officially for you the decisions on Baikonur were announced by the Ministers of Foreign Affairs of both countries and would like to get acquainted. It is these positions that are official, and all notes from Roskosmos come from the evil one and it is not clear why.
                  As for the Sabzh, Russia’s ally is being bombed, and insolently and emphasized, Russia has been silent for two days! There are a lot of questions about this. Where is the Russian radio intelligence stationed in Syria? What did they do during the bombing? Did you pick your nose?
                  Bombed, here below is given, 7 km from the Assad Palace. The palace cannot but be guarded by shells, why were they bought then? Is it logical? The range of destruction of the Shell is 12 km, the detection itself is even further. Where are the downed planes? Even if they flew very low, in front of the object, the planes should soar upwards by love! Or am I wrong? Because there is no way to bomb from such a height - and the ground is too close, flashing at breakneck speed, and the pilot simply will not have time ... And the danger of being hit by his own bomb and so on. There is also a method of bombardment from ultra-low frequencies, which requires considerable skill - before the goal is to soar upwards, as it were, into a loop, a bomb is separated in the ascending section of the trajectory. The plane goes back in a loop, the bomb still flies upward by inertia and hits the object along a flat trajectory. In short, in any case, the planes rise to a tangible height even for a short time. Why didn't they see the potential danger for the President of the country from the armor that guarded the President's palace? Did the Israelis forge "friend or foe"? Have you forgotten everything again by interference? Do carapaces with noise immunity have problems? In short, some questions and no answers.
                  And the silence of the Russian Foreign Ministry is at least puzzling. The speeches of Russian Oriental scholars working in the Russian Academy of Sciences, calling Assad a dictator, are puzzling. Medvedev's performance in Davos is puzzling.
                  Papakiko, instead of insinuations about Baikonur (I repeat, the official position has already been voiced), you will answer these questions in detail. At least your version. What's happening?
                3. Papakiko
                  Papakiko 31 January 2013 23: 15
                  0
                  You are so intelligent and educated, you know "friend or foe", "self-discovery", "shell", for answers to your questions we need to contact you directly. ... Enlighten us, tell us what is happening in Syria and around the world.
                  And then there are many questions, like TWO summer children, and you ask answers from us, from Russia.
                  I will repeat to you mine, which you ignored and there are only TWO of them:
                  Maybe you need to be sent to Syria and you bare-foot show how to destroy tanks and fighters with fireballs from your ass and shoot down planes from the same place with lightning bolts?
                  You, as an independent state of KAZAKHSTAN, what you have done in 20 years so that what happens is happening and will happen (Libya, Egypt, Syria, Mali, Iraq, Iran, etc.) so that this does not happen
                  ?
                4. aksakal
                  aksakal 1 February 2013 09: 52
                  0
                  Quote: Papakiko
                  Maybe you need to be sent to Syria and you bare-foot show how to destroy tanks and fighters with fireballs from your ass and shoot down planes from the same place with lightning bolts?

                  - Your first question is completely empty and insignificant. Will we move on to this tone or will we speak essentially? Answer it yourself, I’m not going to comment on your fantasies about my naked ass. If you so allegorically point to the helplessness of Syria’s air defense, I’ll answer - it’s not so helpless in terms of armaments, it has air defense, and it is not armed with fingers. Here the numbers have already been voiced. Those S-200s are not so old that they would be completely helpless.
                  Quote: Papakiko
                  You, as an independent state of KAZAKHSTAN, what have you done in 20 years for what happens to happen and will happen (Libya, Egypt, Syria, Mali, Iraq, Iran, etc.) to prevent this from happening?
                  - Read the news at least occasionally. Kazakhstan has expressed concerns and other issues in Syria. What else can Kazakhstan do? Are you really looking at the world? Kazkhastan is a small power with a population of 15 million, the armed forces are not standing with a gulkin nose and next to the Syrian troops, well, maybe air defense is more powerful, because there is a training ground where the S-300 mass can be practiced from the heart, now they are integrating with the Russian air defense system into the unified system, in all other respects, they are amateur self-defense forces.
                  Therefore, only Russia can resist. But Russia can resist only by acting as a single monolithic force, but this is not observed. The statements of the ceasefire diverge sharply from the statements of the Russian Foreign Ministry and the actions of the Russian fleet - I have already pointed all this out. And asked questions. If for you these are questions of a two-year-old child - answer so, deign, it will not be difficult for you.
          2. Bashkaus
            Bashkaus 31 January 2013 15: 26
            +1
            If a man is silent, then he has nothing to say, if there is nothing to say, then the man hits his face (In any case, in Russia). Now for one look, what kind of men are sitting in our power, our Ali mishandled?
            And further on the situation, we will think ...

            If a man is silent, then he has nothing to say, if there is nothing to say, then the man hits his face (In any case, in Russia). Now for one look, what kind of men are sitting in our power, our Ali mishandled?
            And further on the situation, we will think ...
          3. ViPChe
            ViPChe 3 February 2013 12: 31
            0
            They have no time .... They think how to "smear" the stool and come out of the water clean themselves. Shoigu is not a strategist, but an excellent performer. He will do what they say. But there is nothing to say, and even more so, nothing !!!! angry what
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 31 January 2013 10: 40
        +4
        Quote: Ardent
        The experience of the Libyan conflict shows that the supply of modern weapons to the opposition can lead to the opposite effect, Izvestia writes.

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  • atalef
    atalef 31 January 2013 09: 10
    +6
    Quote: Ardent
    "Kislyarsky still had such a delicious and calm dinner today, ate chicken navels, broth with nuts, and knew nothing about the terrible" Union of the sword and plowshare "..

    Handsomely !!!!!!!!!
    I really like subtle analogies (+)
    Syrian "opposition": No weapons, no money. Even Hillary didn't come

    Apparently, in fact, the position of the States is quite in tune with the position of Israel. Do not help (except for verbal statements) to anyone and let them cut each other there. It’s clear that the SSA is worse than Assad
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 31 January 2013 10: 22
      +6
      Quote: atalef
      Do not help (except for verbal statements)

      And 150 million bucks is not like helping? Communications, training and distribution of weapons, the creation of the Syrian government, spit on the opinion of the Syrians. Israel and the USA have a good position
      1. atalef
        atalef 31 January 2013 11: 19
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And 150 million bucks is kind of not help?

        Alexander, from statements to money - such a distance. He promised - not yet married.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 31 January 2013 11: 25
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          He promised - not yet married.

          And already allocated 200 million is a type of pre-wedding gift wink
          1. atalef
            atalef 31 January 2013 13: 18
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And already allocated 200 million is a type of pre-wedding gift

            Alexander, if you bought weapons with this money (ascet demonstrated in his post, with photos, of course, and a video (if you remember with PPSh and Diagteri) I can say one thing, the States again bred like suckers. laughing
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 31 January 2013 16: 15
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            And already allocated 200 million is a type of pre-wedding gift

            Hi Sanya!
            This is all talk !!
            The main sponsors of Wahhabi gangs are the Saudis and Qatar !!
            Billions do not spare there !!
      2. nagi
        nagi 31 January 2013 11: 40
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And 150 million bucks is kind of not help?

        If gangsters opposition, do not give money for weapons, then all hostilities will stop, and so they slowly fuse them with weapons and the SA and the opposition kill each other.
      3. PSih2097
        PSih2097 31 January 2013 11: 46
        +2
        Communications, training and distribution of weapons,

        Well, probably the price tag for all this is also not frail, and most likely they didn’t give money in plain sight, they created contracts for the supply of weapons and ammunition, paid instructors that they wouldn’t like Libya, they gave money, and the next day they are gone, as well as weapons, ammunition, etc ...
  • older
    older 31 January 2013 09: 13
    +4
    [quote = YARY] Question, where is the air defense? If the "strike" was in the suburbs of Damascus, then [/ quote Good question ... Only it seems to me that the area is unattended and the missilemen just got a little freaked out ... I think today they will get stupid heads from commander and will do their job as expected ...]
    1. atalef
      atalef 31 January 2013 11: 20
      +1
      Quote: older
      .I think today they will get blunt heads from the commander and will do their job as expected ...]

      Generals are always ready for past wars.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 31 January 2013 11: 28
        +3

        atalef
        Alexander, from statements to money - such a distance. He promised - not yet married.

        How is it, Alexander Romanov, are you still a bachelor ?! belay
        Urgently marry and immediately and take a walk at your wedding good
        1. atalef
          atalef 31 January 2013 13: 24
          +2
          Quote: Apollon
          How is it, Alexander Romanov, are you still a bachelor ?!
          Urgently marry and immediately and take a walk at your wedding

          Yes, he was still a womanizer, he abandoned Odessa, then Nastya sent a bouquet. Alexander, what's up. So would come to Israel, (for Odessa) could meet, kebabs. hummus, warm sea ..
          Again, here I am (I already changed my wife) I don’t know which one to take, either Honda or Toyota - I would advise. drinks
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 31 January 2013 16: 22
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Again I’ve got a car here (I’ve already changed my wife) I don’t know which one to take, either a Honda or a Toyota -

            I think Toyota))))
            Honda something dumb sounds)))))))))))))
            1. VAF
              VAF 31 January 2013 16: 29
              +3
              Quote: Yarbay
              I think Toyota


              AlikBek, dear, welcome, +! I think the same way. And Honda is more expensive to operate. but with toyotas it is necessary to do the same .. to a clever one. "adopted" cunning German technology - the suspension unit is only assembled recourse
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 31 January 2013 17: 40
                +2
                Quote: vaf
                AlikBek, dear, welcome, +!

                Greetings dear and priceless Sergey !!
                To Toyota, I began to be anxious after a trip to Afghanistan!
                I saw there that these cars drive for 20 -25 years in the absence of normal roads and are still convenient in operation!
                As for modern Tayot, I don’t know, I try to ask the price of those to whom I can at least theoretically acquire))))))))
              2. PatriotizTAT
                PatriotizTAT 1 February 2013 07: 57
                0
                doing ... Honda and Toyota are different, I would have taken Honda they are simply cheaper! hi
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 31 January 2013 16: 20
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        Generals are always ready for past wars.

        There are exceptions to the joy of Israeli citizens, often these exceptions live in your state!
    2. atalef
      atalef 31 January 2013 13: 20
      +6
      Quote: older
      . Just as it seems to me, the area is ownerless

      There are no homeless people, Research center for the development of chemical weapons, base and in 6-7 km. The main presidential palace. Well, just the backyards of Syria, I would say.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 31 January 2013 16: 37
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        There are no homeless people, Research center for the development of chemical weapons, base and in 6-7 km. The main presidential palace. Well, just the backyards of Syria, I would say.

        It is obvious))))))))))))))))))
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 31 January 2013 16: 19
      +2
      [quote = older] [quote = YARY] Question - where is the air defense? If the "strike" was in the suburbs of Damascus, then [/ quote Good question ... Only it seems to me that the area is unattended and the missilemen just got a little frightened ... I think today get stupid from the commander and do their job as expected ...]
      [/ Quote]
      The right to read you funny)))
      Are you crazy?)))))))))
      It is a fact that Israel, like the United States, usually very carefully prepares its strikes, especially air strikes, and if the Syrian missiles had a good chance to bring down these planes, they would not go for it !!
  • Vadivak
    Vadivak 31 January 2013 09: 42
    +7
    Quote: Ardent
    The question is, where is the air defense?


    Well, if you walked around the relief at an altitude of 100 meters, the S-200 might not have been able to see it, although knowing the selfless love of Eastern citizens for dollars (to take at least how they selflessly surrendered flights of our MiGs in Egypt) ......
    1. YARY
      YARY 31 January 2013 10: 18
      +7
      Vadim
      They went out to the Gollan ridge, and along to Damascus "walk-don't want" and then from the U-turn you can cover any target.
      I described below. After occupation, the Syrians from this direction are almost undisguised.
      That’s why they are trying to return these mountains to politics. But the skinny ones know that this is an open door to Damascus and they will not give anything better. Now they’ve proved-sssss-ki
      1. atalef
        atalef 31 January 2013 11: 28
        +3
        Quote: Ardent
        I described below. After occupation, the Syrians from this direction are almost undisguised

        What does it mean that they are not covered? Andrei, the Golan Heights is the only border between Israel and Syria, and you want to say that it is not covered by air defense? But what, then, to cover the border with Lebanon, or something? The object was only 6-7 km from Assad’s palace, was there the same air defense?
        Russian President Vladimir Putin in an interview with Israeli television said that after deliveries of Russian weapons to Syria, Israeli planes will not be able to fly over the palace of the country's president Bashar al-Assad.
        This statement was made in response to a journalist's question about whether "Israel has cause for concern" in connection with the deal between Moscow Damascus on the supply of Russian air defense systems to Syria.

        The width of the Golan heights is -14 km (60 length) and 400m is not enough (except for the city of Hermon 1200 m), there are no obstacles for the Air Force.
        1. Sandov
          Sandov 31 January 2013 20: 09
          0
          atalef,

          In order to shoot down planes, Alexander also needs to learn this matter in the present way. Not until now Damascus. Rats need to be destroyed. And Israel seized the opportunity. As a result, rats benefit.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 1 February 2013 22: 29
            +1
            http://www.newsru.co.il/mideast/28jun2006/assad.html

            2006 - Israeli planes flying over Assad Palace

            2007 - destruction of a nuclear reactor in Syria

            Well and so, on trifles - to me to dig everything about the good moments?
            1. Strategy
              Strategy 2 February 2013 00: 22
              0
              Confirm your aggressive nature!
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 2 February 2013 00: 29
                0
                To live with wolves ...
              2. Strategy
                Strategy 2 February 2013 11: 30
                0
                Your nation will always come true. But, actually, wolves are Zionists!
    2. postman
      postman 1 February 2013 19: 39
      0
      Quote: Ardent
      They went to the Gollan Ridge, and along to Damascus "walk-don't want"

      ?

      S-200 and stand on the "golan"


      Bases and airdromes

      The number of air defense: 55,000 people (about 60,000 according to IISS).
      200 PU SAM 2K12 "Kvadrat" (export version of SAM "Kub" 11 brigades - 27 batteries -;
      60 PU = 14 batteries - SAM 9K33 "Osa"
      480 launchers (11 brigades - 60 batteries) - C-75 "Dvina" / C-75M "Volga" and C-125 "Neva M1A" / C-125M "Pechora"
      48 PU S-200 "Angara" (2 brigades - 8 batteries)

      2060 anti-aircraft guns 23mm, 37mm, 57mm, 100mm
      AND:
      (as part of the ground forces):

      20 PU SAM 9K31 "Strela-1";
      35 PU SAM 9K35 "Strela-10";
      more than 4,000 9K32 / 9K32M "Strela-2 / 2M" MANPADS + a small amount of 9K34 "Strela-3"


      Air Force: 40,000 (plus 70,000 reservists)
      48 (40) x MiG-29 (including 6 combat training)
      32x MiG-25P (including 2 combat training MiG-25U)
      86 x MiG-23MF / MS / ML / MLD (including 6 combat training MiG-23UM) -
      245 x MiG-21
  • DEfindER
    DEfindER 31 January 2013 09: 45
    11
    Quote: Ardent
    The question is, where is the air defense? If the "strike" was in the suburbs of Damascus, then this is just an amazing thing. There, the air defense would have "rocked" the flyers. But judging by the requests, they walked through the "easy" and bombed. There are a lot of questions. I'll call and find out.

    Apparently the mossad worked and turned off the radar .. but that’s not the point, I can’t stop wondering how much terror and bandit education Israel is, even the states do not risk acting around the UN, and they don’t give a damn about everything, all international rights, sovereignty and life all people except Jews (even Hitler did not see all the nations like that, but only a few) The obvious question is still ripening - where are the Syrian Air Force’s response, if you keep silent then the bombing will not stop ..
    1. Manager
      Manager 31 January 2013 11: 05
      0
      Quote: DEfindER
      even Hitler did not see all the nations so, but only some


      This moustached starfish grabbed this parasite, and the chosen people will answer for everything whenever. The question is, who will this punishing hand be? I think those who wish every day and month in the world more and more. So to speak, the Chosen ones do not understand that, they sign their own sentence. You can’t go against everyone. As you correctly put it, even the United States does not allow such a thing.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 31 January 2013 11: 12
      -9
      Syria is well aware that there can be no talk of any retaliatory strikes. Syria and Israel are still officially at war. So ... From a legal point of view, there are no questions. Syria supplied weapons to Hezbollah, Israel struck at a military facility that was engaged in this.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 31 January 2013 12: 00
        +4
        Quote: Pimply
        officially at war. So ... From a legal point of view, there are no questions. Syria supplied weapons to Hezbollah, Israel struck at the military facility that the sim was engaged in.

        - lying, dear! A blow was struck at a research center in Damraye. Just rehearse, at the same time reconnaissance in battle and show NATO that you can enter a no-fly zone.
        1. atalef
          atalef 31 January 2013 13: 29
          +4
          Quote: aksakal
          lying, dear! Damray to Damraye Research Center

          And what was this center doing? After Israel bombed a reactor in Syria, they also stated that there was an agricultural facility. Just for some reason, they dug up all the remnants and 2 meter layer of land in addition. And for some reason, IAEA inspectors discovered plutonium there. And so, of course --- a warehouse of shovels and rakes.
          1. Andrey57
            Andrey57 31 January 2013 18: 13
            +2
            Of course, this is an excuse for the bandits with a six-pointed star on their wings to invade a foreign country and kill the citizens of this sovereign country. Maybe these bandits will fly to Russia to bomb something that Israel doesn't like? They will not arrive, even in the form of scraps of their planes. And the Syrians are doing the right thing, that they support everyone who is at war with the bandit state called "Israel"! Even amers have already counted when this viper will come to an end and voiced in their reports. Let's say it's not long left hi
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 31 January 2013 14: 15
          -2
          And what kind of research did this center do?
    3. atalef
      atalef 31 January 2013 11: 31
      -2
      Quote: DEfindER
      and they don’t give a damn about everything, about all international rights, sovereignty and the lives of all people

      Syria attacked us 5 times, we are in a situation of ceasefire (not even a ceasefire) Syria all the years supported terror against Israel and kept Hamas, Jihad, PLO, PLO (gene command), Fatah, contains Hezbollah, on their conscience the thousands of lives of Israelis --- to us, what is Syria in love explaining for this?
      1. Beck
        Beck 31 January 2013 12: 08
        11
        [i] "The destruction of the Jemrai facility is a flagrant violation of Syrian sovereignty," the Syrian military command emphasizes.

        Id ... ot. It would be better to be bashfully silent, the Syrian military command, in a rag. Such statements are appropriate for politicians. And then the military. Everyone missed, missed, cheated. There is no way to silently, urgently establish order in the air defense, so they climbed the rostrum with a barefaced hail - "a flagrant violation of Syria's sovereignty." What was screaming was criminal neglect of their duties in these same military. It was necessary to shoot down the invading planes. But they didn’t bring down by themselves to rip off shoulder straps and appear, with a guilty head, to the court.

        So who, for a hundred years, needs such a military ally?
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 31 January 2013 18: 02
          +1
          Quote: Beck
          Id ... ot.

          Beck, welcome. That's a plus, I have the same opinion! There is a concept of combat duty, I’ve been on duty in the Soviet Army in two, there is everything in this concept — how to carry combat duty, what to do, and so on. Do Syrians have such a concept? I asked questions above - if they bombed 7 km from the Presidential Palace, how could these planes not have noticed? The Palace must be guarded by Armor! It's a shame!
          The most annoying thing is that they themselves are dishonored and they are pulling Russian air defense systems into it!
        2. Cynic
          Cynic 31 January 2013 18: 09
          0
          Quote: Beck
          All spoiled, missed, laughed at.

          Morning prayer is a holy thing!
          wink
          1. Beck
            Beck 31 January 2013 19: 00
            +3
            Quote: Cynic
            Morning prayer is a holy thing!


            True remark. Yes, five more times a day.

            He was a young man, but I remember how Soviet people were joking about five prayers in connection with the defeat of the three Arab armies from the Israelis in 1967, in just 6 days.

            To the front line of the Arab trenches, through the village, are Soviet advisers, captain and colonel. Colonel with an inspection. In the middle of the village is a minaret, in the square. Around the minaret are many funnels. The colonel looks inquiringly at the minaret.

            Captain.
            - Everything is done, Comrade Colonel. The observation post is equipped at the minaret.
            The captain is screaming.
            - Abulla.
            The top of the tower of the minaret protrudes mullah. The captain waves a hand negatively. An Arab soldier appears next to the mullah.
            Captain.
            - They are namesake.
            Colonel looking at the funnels around the minaret.
            - Yeah. Are Jews evidently trying to demolish the minaret?
            Captain.
            “No way, Comrade Colonel.” They minaret more than their eyes cherish.
            Colonel.
            - How so?
            Captain looking at his watch.
            - In half an hour, the fourth prayer will begin. All soldiers, with the front line, will gather here. Then the Jews will begin shelling.
            1. Cynic
              Cynic 31 January 2013 22: 01
              0
              Quote: Beck
              True remark. Yes, five more times a day.

              Hmm, which of us is Muslim or what?
              "He who missed one prayer is like one who lost all his family and wealth."

              And the most important
              It is permitted to carry out Namaz ... to persons who are not able to perform Namaz in a timely manner.
              Etc.
              The category of people who are allowed to carry out Namaz can include:
              # 1. Students, if during Namaz they are in classes, lectures, exams and they have no opportunity to leave.
              # 2. Soldiers in the service, prisoners in camps and prisons, if both are in difficult conditions, not allowing timely prayers.
              # 3. Other extreme cases provided by Sharia.
              Etc.
              Morning Namaz is not subject to transfer or postponement, it must be done only at the proper time.
              Etc.
              1. Beck
                Beck 1 February 2013 08: 49
                +3
                Quote: Cynic
                Hmm, which of us is Muslim or what?


                A slender and narrow-eyed man is not necessarily a Muslim. My tribe Naiman, as part of the Kazakh people, wandered, on the ancestral home of the Turks, in western Mongolia, at first worshiped the Sky-Tengri. In the 10-14 centuries, we had Nestorian Christianity as a religion. Since the 14th century, Islam.

                I am a round atheist.

                And then the joke about prayer was at least some explanation for the Soviet people why the Arab armies, our ally, suffered crushing defeats in 6 days.
              2. Cynic
                Cynic 1 February 2013 15: 43
                -1
                Quote: Beck
                Since the 14th century, Islam.
                I am a round atheist.

                You dear Beck in his repertoire, neither yes nor no! Well, at least where is the thread in the Koran of Allah called God ?!
                ALLAH and all! Absolutely self-determination !!!
                You still call yourself an agostic.
                And still round in Russia are by no means atheists, other people are round with us! Which do not sow do not reap! They grow themselves!
                drinks
              3. Beck
                Beck 1 February 2013 17: 54
                +1
                Quote: Cynic
                You are a respected Beck in your repertoire, neither yes nor no! Well, at least where is the thread in the Koran of Allah called God ?! ALLAH and all! Absolutely self-determination !!!


                And why so? In my comments, Allah has never been mentioned, why did you ascribe it to him? And why in the Qur'an of Allah to call the same, but in a different word?

                In Russian, God is a god. In Kazakh, god - where. In Arabic, God is Allah. Therefore, in the Arabic Quran, God in Arabic is called Allah. Business then.

                And I know who they called round in Russia, and it is your business to interpret this word-turn to anyone. And I called myself a round atheist, because I am not just an atheist, but an ideological atheist, with theoretical justification that any god was created by man. That is, Man is primary and he, in search of an answer to the universe, in unenlightened times, created God. And not vice versa.
  • DEfindER
    DEfindER 31 January 2013 12: 14
    +3
    Quote: atalef
    Syria attacked us 5 times, we are in a situation of ceasefire (not even a ceasefire) Syria all the years supported the terror against Israel and kept the Hamas group,

    It’s very interesting, bring at least one attack, a 6-day war started by Israel and ended with the occupation of Syrian territory, the day of judgment was the answer of the Arabs to return their lands. And on the account of who finances which organizations, this is a very big topic, for some, Hamas is the organization for the liberation of the Palestinian people, and how many organizations Israel is financing, the same monarchies of the Gulf that carry terror to the whole world and Russia, including, live off oil Rothschild money. And the Syrian support of any military organizations is not a direct participation, but a desire to influence the situation in the region. And according to the actions of Israel, it seems that the rest of the people are really livestock for them that can be killed without warning! If you believe the version that the destroyed research institute had chemical weapons, then any sane politician first turned to the Syrian authorities to destroy these reserves themselves, and only then make decisions ..
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 31 January 2013 14: 16
      -2
      Look a little at the events that preceded the Six Day War. This is the situation as before June 22, if the USSR had struck at German troops that had accumulated on the border.
      1. Beck
        Beck 31 January 2013 14: 32
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        Look a little at the events that preceded the Six Day War. This is the situation as before June 22, if the USSR struck a blow at the German troops that had accumulated on the border


        In 1967, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan planned and set a date for the attack on Israel. Mossad disclosed these plans, set a date. And the Israeli government dealt a preventive strike with its troops. Arabs made a propaganda noise.

        In 1973, Mossad again revealed plans for an attack by Egypt and Syria on Israel. The government of Israel, in order to avoid propaganda noise, did not launch a preemptive strike. And it's expensive, very expensive for Israel. But politically, the Arabs could no longer raise a propaganda noise.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 31 January 2013 15: 59
          -3
          They just raised it. In Egypt, this day is generally celebrated as a victory.
        2. Andrey57
          Andrey57 31 January 2013 18: 23
          0
          It remains the third time to plan well and strike so that forever reassure the local lovers to seize foreign lands))))
          1. Beck
            Beck 31 January 2013 19: 40
            +3
            Quote: Andrey57
            It remains the third time to plan well and strike so as to permanently reassure the local lovers to seize foreign lands.


            Useless.

            Without any preference for anyone.

            1. Mossad, if not all, will learn a lot from these plans
            2. The technical equipment of the parties does not stand comparison.
            3. The training of personnel of the troops varies by orders of magnitude.
            4. The fighting spirit of those soldiers who defend their homeland is always higher than that of the soldiers of the aggressors.

            Now some chronology, I see you vaguely imagine it.

            After the departure of England and France from Bl.Vostok in 1947. The UN created new states Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Israel, Palestine. Allotted the land. Jews were glad and received after 2000 years of non-existence. The Arab League stated that Israel did not have a right to exist, that all lands were originally Arab, and in 1948 the armies of the five Arab states attacked Israel. Israel has stood and defended its existence. Arabs forgetting their solidarity and not having the strength to defeat Israel, captured Palestine. Egypt Gaza. Ilodenia West Bank.

            In 1967, Egypt, Jordan, Syria were preparing to attack Israel. Pulled to the borders of the army. Mossad revealed plans and Israel launched a preemptive strike. Egypt was knocked out of Gaza. Jordan from the West Bank.

            In 1973, the armies of Egypt and Syria attacked Israel. Were broken. Israeli tanks stood on the highway leading to Cairo and Damascus. These capitals were not captured just because Israel complied with a UN ceasefire.

            In 1982, Israel led troops to Lebanon to destroy the PLO bases. From which fighters regularly raided Israeli territory and fired on Israeli villages. The bases were eliminated. Arafat fled to Syria. Israel withdrew its troops.

            Now, looking at the existence of one degree or another of objectivity, everyone can draw conclusions for themselves.
          2. DEfindER
            DEfindER 31 January 2013 21: 27
            +2
            Quote: Beck
            The UN created new states Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Israel, Palestine.

            Yeah, and created in such a way (at that time Jews had a great influence because of the Holocaust) that the Jewish state was located on primordially Arab lands, from where they expelled Arabs as dogs and settled Jews, and when Arabs were indignant, Israel conducted military operations and even more increased its territory.
            Quote: Beck
            In 1967, Egypt, Jordan, Syria were preparing to attack Israel.

            Do not make me laugh
            The 67th year, Israel threatens Syria to overthrow their regime due to provocations in the demilitarized zone, which mainly occurred through the fault of Israel ..
            On May 13, 1967, the Egyptian government received official notification from the USSR government that Israeli forces were preparing an attack on Syria, and that between 11 and 13 Israeli brigades were concentrated on the northern border of Israel for this purpose. The date of the alleged Israeli attack was named May 17. On the same day, May 13, Syria demanded action from Egypt to prevent an alleged attack from Israel. Muhammad Fawzi, Chief of Egyptian General Staff, urgently flies to Damascus for consultations

            1973, the main goal is to take revenge for the 67th year and return their lands to the Sinai and the Dutch.

            In general, if we pursue an aggressive policy against neighbors, then in my opinion it is obvious that all sorts of Hezbollahs and Hamas would appear, it would be strange if they did not appear.

          3. Beck
            Beck 1 February 2013 09: 37
            0
            Quote: DEfindER
            Yeah, and created in this way (at that time, the Jews had a great influence on the UN due to the Holocaust) that the Jewish state is located on the original Arab lands, from where they drove the Arabs as dogs and settled the Jews, and when the Arabs were indignant, Israel conducted military operations and further increased its territory.


            And why say so? But, if you started, let's plunge a little into history. The state of Israel existed from Old Testament times until 70 years of our era. Such states as Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine never existed, until 1948, they were created by decision of the UN. The same decision was recreated State of Israel in the historical form.

            Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan existed in history only as the geographical names of certain territories, as there were no states. Since antiquity Bl. The east was divided between the Hittite and Egyptian powers. Then he entered the Persian state. Then to the power of A of Macedon. Then to the power of the Seleucids. Then to the Roman Empire. Then to the Byzantine. In the 7th century, these lands, as part, entered the Arab Caliphate. From that time on, Arabs appeared in the Middle East and assimilated the local population. Then these lands entered the Ottoman Empire. After WW1, these lands were managed, under the mandate of the League of Nations, England and France. And only in 1948 were artificially created Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan, Syria and recreated, stripped down Israel.

            So who has primordial lands here? The Old Testament Jewish cities of Bethlehem (in which Jesus was born) and Nablus (the biblical Scheme) located in Palestine, is that truly Arab city? And today's Palestine itself is the Old Testament, Jewish Samaria.

            And he created the UN Arab Palestine in 1948, disconnecting it from historical Israel in order to give some land to the Arabs living here from the 7th century of the Arab Caliphate. Jews are annoyed, but agreed. They were also happy with what they gave after 2000 years of non-existence. The Arabs were immediately against Israel; they wanted to take all the lands of Israel to themselves. And they attacked Israel in 1948. And they expelled from their territories about 800 thousand Jews, as always accompanying the exile with the blood and tears of the Jews.

            And this story is only cursory, only upstairs.
          4. Aleksys2
            Aleksys2 2 February 2013 01: 07
            -1
            Quote: Beck
            The state of Israel existed from Old Testament times until 70 years of our era.

            Oh, it’s ... It’s so straightforward ... it’s been straight from the Old Testament times ... then the Palestinians came and drove away the sons of Israel ...
          5. Pimply
            Pimply 2 February 2013 01: 54
            0
            You have a bad history
          6. Aleksys2
            Aleksys2 2 February 2013 03: 29
            0
            Quote: Pimply
            You have a bad history

            Or maybe you?
            In the 3rd millennium BC e. the territory of Palestine (Canaan) was inhabited by the Canaanite tribes.
            The development of Canaan's cities lagged significantly not only from Egypt and Mesopotamia, but even from Syria, where from 3500 BC. e. a large city arose in Hamukar. This city, which was allegedly conquered by immigrants from Uruk, maintained trade ties with southern Iraq.
            A surge in urban development is observed in the early Bronze Age - these are settlements such as Ebla, which is about 2300 BC. e. was included in the empire of Sargon, and Naram-Sin. The Ebla archives mention a number of biblical cities, including Hatzor, Jerusalem, etc. After the collapse of the Akkadian Empire, there is an influx of people who created ceramics such as Khirbet-Kerak, who came from the Zagros mountains to the east of the Tigris River. According to some scholars, these were the Hurrians, who are sometimes identified with the biblical people by the “Horites”.
            In the next period, the Middle Bronze Age, the Amorites arrived from Syria to southern Iraq; Albright and a number of other archaeologists identify this event with the arrival of the Abraham family in Ur. During this period, the culmination of urban development in Syria and Palestine. According to some archaeologists, the city of Tel Hazor was the main city-state of the region at that time. It was during this period that the Semitic tribes arrived in large numbers in the Nile Delta region in Ancient Egypt.
            In the XIII century. BC e. "the peoples of the sea" invaded the country from Crete and other islands of the Mediterranean Sea, attacking also Egypt and gaining a foothold in the southern Mediterranean coast, in the area of ​​the current sector of Gaza. From the neighboring seven-lingual peoples, they received the name plishtim, literally "invading", or the Philistines.
            In the XI century BC e. the Hebrew tribes founded the kingdom of Israel, which disintegrated in 930 BC. e. into two: the kingdom of Israel (existed before 722 BC) and the kingdom of Judea (until 586 BC).
            Subsequently, Palestine was conquered by the ancient Persian state of the Achaemenids, then it was part of the Hellenistic states of the Ptolemies and Seleucids (in the XNUMXrd – XNUMXnd centuries BC).
            From 63 BC e. Palestine was a Roman province and was divided into Judea, Samaria, Galilee and Perea (Zaordanie). Since 395 - as part of Byzantium.
          7. Beck
            Beck 2 February 2013 11: 10
            0
            Quote: Aleksys2
            In the 3rd millennium BC e. the territory of Palestine (Canaan) was inhabited by the Canaanite tribes.


            Canaan is not Israel and not Palestine. The Canaanites are not Jews or Arabs. The ethnonym Khanan disappeared, and their blood and genes flow precisely in the Jews. For about 1300 years ago, Jews leaving Egypt conquered Canaan and assimilated the Canaanites.

            The conquests of Israel in ancient times, of course, took place both by the Persians, and the Greeks, and the Seleucids, but the Jews remained to live on their land. And the Arabs were not there at that time. Arabs appeared in the 7th century.
    2. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 2 February 2013 03: 33
      +1
      Quote: Beck
      Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Jordan existed in history only as the geographical names of certain territories, as there were no states.

      The history of Syrian civilization dates back to at least the 4th millennium BC. e.
      Eblaite is the oldest known Semitic language. In the library of Ebla, discovered in 1975, found more than 17 thousand clay tablets dedicated to crafts, agriculture and art. Among the leading crafts of Ebla - processing of wood, ivory, pearls. Other famous cities of the era include Mari, Ugarit and Dura Europos.
      In the XXIII century BC. e. Ebla was conquered by Akkad, and the capital was completely destroyed. Then the Canaanite tribes invaded Syria, forming many small states. During the period between the invasion of the Canaanite tribes and the conquest of Syria in 64 BC. e. The territory of the Roman Empire was consistently ruled by the Hyksos, Hittites, Egyptians, Aramaeans, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, ancient Macedonians, the Hellenistic power of the Seleucids, and the Armenian Empire of Tigran II the Great.
    3. Beck
      Beck 2 February 2013 11: 17
      0
      Quote: Aleksys2
      The history of Syrian civilization dates back to at least the 4th millennium BC. e.


      Do not confuse. Do not confuse Assyria and Syria; these are two big, well, very Big differences.

      And Semitic languages ​​are a group of related languages ​​of the entire Middle East. Jewish is also Semitic.

      Quote: Aleksys2
      During the period between the invasion of the Canaanite tribes and the conquest of Syria in 64 BC. e. The territory of the Roman Empire was consistently ruled by the Hyksos, Hittites, Egyptians, Aramaeans, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, ancient Macedonians, the Hellenistic power of the Seleucids, the Armenian Empire of Tigran II the Great


      And where on your list of peoples and tribes are Arabs. I repeat, they appeared only in the 7th century as a result of the wars of conquest of the Gazavat and the formation of the Arab caliphate.
    4. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 2 February 2013 13: 09
      0
      Quote: Beck
      Do not confuse Assyria and Syria; these are two big, well, very Big differences.

      I just don’t confuse. This is what you beguiled there. There is a difference between:
      "The State of Israel existed from the Old Testament times to 70 AD. Such states as Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine have never existed."
      и
      "In Syria, where from 3500 BC. A large city in Hamukar.
      In the XI century BC e. the Hebrew tribes founded the kingdom of Israel, decayed in 930 BC e. into two: the kingdom of Israel (existed before 722 BC) and the kingdom of Judea (until 586 BC)."
    5. Beck
      Beck 2 February 2013 14: 21
      -1
      Quote: Aleksys2
      In the XI century BC e. the Hebrew tribes founded the kingdom of Israel, which disintegrated in 930 BC. e. into two: the kingdom of Israel (existed before 722 BC) and the kingdom of Judea (until 586 BC).


      And that the kingdom of Israel and Judah are not Jews? As far as my memory serves me. After King Solomon in the kingdom of Israel, there was tension with succession to the throne. The Jews then squandered among themselves on a large scale, a little before bloodshed came. It was then that Israel divided into Israel itself and into Judea. And why Judea, because the main population of the new kingdom were Jews from the largest Jewish tribe of Judah.
    6. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 2 February 2013 15: 31
      0
      Quote: Beck
      After King Solomon

      In, they got to Solomon. Was there a boy?
      The Bible is the main source used to justify the historicity of the existence of Solomon as a real person. In addition, his name is mentioned in the writings of some authors of antiquity, as Josephus writes about. Direct archaeological evidence, considered as historical evidence of its existence, was not found, his name is associated mainly with the construction of the Jerusalem temple, destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar and several cities whose construction was associated with his name.
      Excluding the biblical stories recorded more than 400 years after the death of Solomon, no historical evidence of its existence was found.

      Quote: Beck
      And that the kingdom of Israel and Judah are not Jews?

      These are Jews, but not the state of Israel. Or are we all places where Jews have ever lived will be attributed to the state of Israel? And those kingdoms existed not from the Old Testament times until the 70s of our era, but from the 11th to the 6th century BC Do you feel the difference?
    7. Cynic
      Cynic 2 February 2013 16: 39
      0
      Quote: Aleksys2
      Or are we all places where Jews have ever lived will be attributed to the state of Israel?

      Do you really think not?
      Truth spoken by the lad

      bully
    8. Beck
      Beck 2 February 2013 17: 51
      +1
      Quote: Aleksys2
      In, they got to Solomon. Was there a boy?


      And how did you like without arguments. You lead, I bring. No arguments will be empty.

      The Old Testament is used by historians as an inaccurate but historical document. Certainly not accurate in chronology, but sufficient to track a topic. And of course, casting aside miracles, and signs, and longevity of the patriarchs. And the prophet Moses, kings Saul, David, Solomon are historical figures, as well as in the Gospel Jesus. Indeed, in essence, what is the Old Testament, this is the diary of the Hebrew years of their existence. In another way, one of the first imperfect natural science textbooks, supplemented by the embellished history of the Jewish people.

      Quote: Aleksys2
      Or are we all places where Jews have ever lived will be attributed to the state of Israel?


      And why distort. This method of yours is not used in a serious dispute; it is a hyperbolization of a thesis that is inherently false and is falsely used as an argument. Of course, one cannot recognize the homeland of any ethnic group, all the places of residence of individual individuals of this ethnic group.

      In general, in my opinion, the ancestral home of the Jews was Sumer. And the divine stories of the Jews is a retelling of either God or the hero of the Sumerian Gilgamesh. It was he who rushed either over the abyss, or over darkness and created the world. According to Sumerian legends, Eden was located in the area north-west of the present Tabriz. Both Sodom and Gommora were in Mesopotamia and burned from the cataclysm of the scattering of burning oil that they produce today. And Navukhonadoshor did not take Jews into captivity, but resettled them in their historical homeland, with which they wandered to the south-west with them. And the Jews spoke, if not in the language of the ancient Sumerians, then in one of the Sumerian dialects.
  • Pimply
    Pimply 1 February 2013 23: 48
    +1
    You are using the wrong scheme. There should be not two colors, but three, or even four. The presence of both Arabs and Jews was approximately equal.
  • Aleksys2
    Aleksys2 2 February 2013 04: 41
    0
    Quote: Beck
    After the departure of England and France from Bl.Vostok in 1947. The UN created new states Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Israel, Palestine.

    Well, as if all was not quite so:
    Soon after the defeat in World War I, the Ottoman Empire collapsed. In 1920, the Syrian Arab Kingdom was founded with a center in Damascus. Faisal of the Hashemite dynasty, who later became king of Iraq, was declared king. But Syrian independence did not last long. Within a few months, the French army occupied Syria, defeating the Syrian forces in the battle at the Meisalun Pass on July 23. In 1922, the League of Nations decided to divide the former Syrian possessions of the Ottoman Empire between Britain and France. Great Britain received Jordan and Palestine, and France - the modern territory of Syria and Lebanon (the so-called "mandate of the League of Nations").
    In 1930, a new constitution was introduced, confirming the mandate of France and providing for an elected president and a unicameral parliament.
    In 1936, an agreement was signed between Syria and France providing for the independence of Syria, but in 1939 France refused to ratify it. In 1940, France itself was occupied by German troops, and Syria came under the control of the Vichy regime (governor - General Denz). Nazi Germany, provoking the rebellion of Prime Minister Geylani in British Iraq, sent its Air Force units to Syria. In June - July 1941, with the support of the British forces, units of Free France (later renamed the Battle of France), led by generals Charles de Gaulle and Katra, entered the Syria during a bloody conflict with the Denz forces. In his memoirs, General de Gaulle explicitly pointed out that the events in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon were directly related to the German plans for invading the USSR (as well as Greece, including the island of Crete and Yugoslavia), since they had the task of diverting the armed forces of the allies to secondary theaters of war.
    On September 27, 1941, France granted Syria independence, leaving its troops on its territory until the end of World War II. January 26, 1945 Syria declared war on Germany and Japan. In April 1946, French troops were evacuated from Syria.
    In 1947, the British government refused the mandate for Palestine, arguing that it was not able to find an acceptable solution for Arabs and Jews [39].
    On November 29, 1947, the United Nations adopted a partition plan for Palestine (UN General Assembly Resolution No. 181). The plan involved dividing Palestine into two states. - Arabic and Jewish. Jerusalem was declared an international city run by the UN to prevent conflict over its status.
    So about Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, you are a little confused. I wonder if you got caught by not knowing or on purpose?
  • Aleksys2
    Aleksys2 2 February 2013 04: 50
    0
    Quote: Beck
    In 1967, Egypt, Syria, and Jordan planned and set a date for the attack on Israel. Mossad disclosed these plans, set a date. And the Israeli government dealt a preventive strike with its troops. Arabs made a propaganda noise.

    From April to May 1967, there has been an increase in military clashes on the Syrian-Israeli border. In a speech to the Knesset on May 22, 1967, Israeli Prime Minister Levi Eshkol blamed Syria for 113 incidents (mines, sabotage ...) between May 1965 and May 1967. In addition, he accused Syria of "outrageous" shelling, including artillery, Israeli farmers and settlements, not caused by any military necessity. According to the results of the actions of Syria, since June 1966, Israel filed 34 protests in the UN Security Council. A number of sources cite the words of Moshe Dayan, which he said in a private conversation with journalist Rami Tal in 1976, about that about 80% of the clashes were provoked by Israel. Commenting on the words of M. Dayan, the Israeli ambassador to the United States, Michael Oren, noted that despite the presence of an “element of truth” in the words of M. Dayan, who was in the political opposition in those years, it should be noted that Israel has always considered de-militarized zones in its north, as part of his sovereign territory, which he is entitled to cultivate. In addition, he noted that part of such operations was related to the violation by Syria of the status quo in the distribution of water resources and its support for Palestinian operations against Israel.
    On April 7, after shelling an Israeli tractor driver working in the demilitarized zone from Syrian territory, the Israelis returned fire. This incident led to a clash between the Israeli and Syrian air forces, during which 6 Syrian MIGs were shot down, 2 of them over Damascus. Both sides used tanks in ground clashes, and the Israelis bombarded and fired Syrian positions.

    On May 4, the Syrian Information Minister said:
    (this battle will be) continued with more serious battles until Palestine is liberated and the Zionist presence is over.

    On May 12, United Press International (UPI) released the following message:
    ... a senior Israeli source said that Israel would undertake a limited military operation to overthrow the Damascus military regime if Syrian terrorists continue raids to sabotage Israeli territory. This will be a decisive blow against the Syrian government.
    On May 25, Egyptian Minister of War Shams al-Din Badran flies to Moscow. He asks the Soviet leadership for permission to attack Israel. However, Kosygin, chairman of the Council of Ministers, does not give Soviet approval for a “preventive attack against Israel,” claiming that “the Soviet Union is against aggression.” Returning to Egypt, Badran informs Nasser that the USSR does not allow Egypt to attack first, but that the USSR undertakes to intervene in a military conflict if the United States enters the war on the side of Israel. In this regard, Nasser informs the military command of Egypt that Egypt will be forced to withstand the blow that Israel will deliver first. Egyptian Air Force Commander General Sudki Mahmoud tells Nasser that such tactics will be disastrous.
    1. Beck
      Beck 2 February 2013 11: 44
      0
      Quote: Aleksys2
      Soon after the defeat in World War I, the Ottoman Empire collapsed. In 1920, the Syrian Arab Kingdom was founded with a center in Damascus.


      And what do you all list? I already understand the plot.

      This kingdom was not independent, it was under the managerial mandate of France issued to it by the League of Nations. Syria gained real independence in 1948.

      If you answer the details set forth in your comments, the page format will not be enough. The basis is one. In 1967, Egypt, Syria and Jordan were preparing to throw Israel into the sea. Jews dealt a preemptive strike. And the fact that the Arabs consulted with Moscow, and the Jews consulted with Washington. Both Washington and Moscow knew about this and played their own political game of influence, etc.

      AT ALL. In 1948 and later, the Arabs did not have to attack Israel. And to build their states on the lands allocated by the UN, in particular Palestine. There would be no attacks by Arabs and the borders in the west of the Middle East would be as they were painted by the UN in 1948.

      The league of the Arab countries acted two-faced. They recognized that part of the UN resolution on the creation of independent Arab states - Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, Syria, and that part of the same resolution on the creation of the state of Israel was not recognized. They decided to seize all the lands of the Jews and by the armies of five states attacked Israel. What came of this shows the current state of affairs.

      There was no need to attack, it was necessary to build a state of Palestine. And now the direct meaning of the word occupation is not suitable for Palestine. The word autonomy is more suitable - broad autonomy. The tzahal only guards the borders of both Israel and Palestine. In Palestine itself, Arabs themselves choose mayors of cities and provinces. They have their own courts, their own government, their own police, their own state institutions, their own political parties, their own prisons.
    2. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 2 February 2013 12: 58
      0
      Quote: Beck
      They recognized that part of the UN resolution which referred to the creation of independent Arab states - Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, Syria,

      Enough! The 1948 UN resolution says only about TWO states !! Stop lying already, not the children are sitting here.
    3. Beck
      Beck 2 February 2013 13: 27
      +1
      Quote: Aleksys2
      Enough! The 1948 UN resolution says only about TWO states !! Stop lying already, not the children are sitting here.


      Yes, I got it wrong, but this is because Jordan, Lebanon, Syria got real independence after the second CF, after England and France abandoned their mandates to manage these territories.

      And don't scream. When you confused Assyria and Syria, I didn’t shout - that Enough to lie. I just told you that you are confusing. And why scream? Not children, you can speak calmly.
    4. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 2 February 2013 15: 36
      0
      Quote: Beck
      When you mixed up Assyria and Syria

      I did not confuse Assyria with Syria; you confuse it where Assyria and Syria.
      Assyria is an ancient state in the Northern Mesopotamia (on the territory of modern Iraq). The Assyrian Empire lasted almost two thousand years, starting from the XXIV century BC. e. and until its destruction in the 609th century BC. e. (circa XNUMX BC) by Mussel and Babylonia.
    5. Beck
      Beck 2 February 2013 17: 19
      -1
      Quote: Aleksys2
      I did not confuse Assyria with Syria; you confuse it where Assyria and Syria.


      I don’t know what map you brought, but the state of Syria is not indicated on it. There is a part of the map on which the territory of Assyria is delineated which borders the Khet state.

      Here is another map of Assyria at the time of its power. And there is no Syria. And the territory of present Syria belongs to Assyria. The pink self-governing parts of the Assyrian state.
  • Cynic
    Cynic 2 February 2013 16: 24
    0
    Quote: Beck
    Yes, I got it wrong, but this is to the fact that anyway

    Is the repertoire constant?
    More kosher would look like this:
    Exactly - sorry, I messed up

    wink
  • Papakiko
    Papakiko 31 January 2013 13: 04
    +1
    There is no need to drive "the ultimate truth" here.
    It is beneficial for Israel to keep its neighbors "on tone" and to support certain forces in them.
    Or are you among those people who sincerely believe about "al-Qaeda" and the "official version" with air strikes in New York on the "twins"?
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 31 January 2013 16: 42
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    What Syria in love for this to be explained?

    Assad has done enough to its neighbors, add Kurdish terrorists and it is clear why the neighbors do not like them!
  • Andrey57
    Andrey57 31 January 2013 18: 21
    0
    And you are white and fluffy, sitting on the territory seized from another state, the Golan Heights, and are offended by the fact that they strive to kick you in the face at any opportunity !!! And the Syrians are doing the right thing - in the fight against the bandit state, all means are good, which means that it is simply necessary to support everyone who is at war with the bandits called "Israel" !!! And even about the conscience of the Israelis at all to talk - you are head over heels in blood.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 1 February 2013 23: 49
      0
      Russia rightfully owns Kaliningrad, no? And the former Finnish lands, Vyborg, for example. Offer to leave them?
      1. Strategy
        Strategy 2 February 2013 00: 27
        0
        Nobody called the Germans in the 41st, and Finland in general was part of Russia.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 2 February 2013 00: 32
          0
          Russian empire. Not Russia. Now the choice is part of Russia. This is a big difference.

          No one called the Syrians either. The UN voted for two states. Israel agreed. The Arab countries said that there would be no two states - neither Israeli nor Palestinian. And attacked. Including the newly created Syria. Then they lost. Syria several times tried to fight with Israel. Each time, to no avail. Tried to shell Israel from the Golan. Then Syria supplied weapons to the enemies of Israel. Etc. As a result, Syria lost the Golan.
          1. Strategy
            Strategy 2 February 2013 11: 36
            -1
            You throughout the whole history from everywhere you were persecuted for the distinctive national features, and now you run up. Then again you will shed tears and attract attention with your plight. I repeat once again: live like all people, and among people - and you will be happy.
      2. Aleksys2
        Aleksys2 2 February 2013 01: 13
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        Russia rightfully owns Kaliningrad, no?

        Yes, it is rightful, because during the Seven Years War on January 11, 1758, Russian troops entered Königsberg. Residents of the city, including Kant, swore allegiance to Empress Elizabeth.
        Quote: Pimply
        And the former Finnish lands, Vyborg, for example.

        And whose was Finland?
        On March 20 (April 1), 1808, the emperor’s manifesto “On the Conquest of Swedish Finland and its Permanent Accession to Russia” followed by the population of Russia followed. It read: "This country, conquered by Our weapons, We now join forever to the Russian Empire, and as a result, We ordered We to take from the inhabitants its oath of allegiance to Our Throne Submission" [3]. The manifesto announced the accession of Finland to Russia as the Grand Duchy. The Russian government pledged to maintain its former laws and the Sejm.
        The Swedish kingdom ceded to Russia six Lenas (provinces) in Finland and the eastern part of Westerbotnia (from the Uleaborg Lena to the Tornio and Muonio rivers), as well as the Aland Islands, into the “eternal” possession of the Russian Empire. The newly conquered region passed under the Friedrichsham Peace Treaty "into the property and sovereign possession of the Russian empire."
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 2 February 2013 01: 56
          0
          And, did he then belong to Russia? From 1773 to 1945, the city was the center of the province of East Prussia.

          Finland was part of the Russian Empire, but not part of Russia.

          On the conquest of Swedish Finland. Right? Military action. How are Russian military operations different from Israeli military operations?
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 2 February 2013 02: 00
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            On the conquest of Swedish Finland. Right? Military action. How are Russian military operations different from Israeli military operations?

            The fact that now (actually) the 21st century in the yard. But not the 18th wink
          2. Aleksys2
            Aleksys2 2 February 2013 05: 12
            +1
            Quote: Pimply
            How are Russian military operations different from Israeli military operations?

            The vote of the UN General Assembly on the proposal of UNSCOP took place on November 29, 1947. With a margin of 33 against 13 votes, with 10 abstentions, the first UNSCOP proposed option for dividing Mandatory Palestine was adopted. Regarding future boundaries, minor changes have been made. The separation was to enter into force on the day of the withdrawal of British troops from the mandated territory.
            According to this plan, the Jewish state was allocated a third of the Galilean fertile coastal plain and two-thirds of the territory of the Negev desert, which at that time was not suitable for agriculture or for the construction of cities - only 56,47% of the total territory of the British mandate. This territory for the most part corresponded to the territory, the majority of the population of which were Jews.
            The Arab countries fundamentally rejected the creation of a Jewish state. According to the Arab leaders, the UN plan violated the rights of the majority of the population of Palestine, which at that time consisted of 67% of non-Jews. They called the proposed UN plan a disaster. Both the size and quality of the territory allotted to the Jewish state were criticized.
            The UN resolution provided most of the land (56%) under the Jewish state, although at that time Jews owned only 7% of the mandated territory. At the same time, in the territory that was allocated to the Jewish state, there were 45% of Arabs.
            Under the Arab state, the UN allocated only 45%, most of this territory was not suitable for agriculture, except for Jaffa. According to Eugene Bovis, earlier the Jewish leadership did not accept previous plans for the partition of Palestine, as it believed that they did not have enough territory.
            You cut the UN border? Please respect them.
  • Sandov
    Sandov 31 January 2013 20: 14
    -1
    atalef,
    It is high time for us to resolve all issues at the negotiating table. Israel is created, and the Arab states are still struggling with their creation ..
    1. atalef
      atalef 31 January 2013 20: 29
      +4
      Quote: Sandov
      Israel is created, and the Arab states are still struggling with their creation ..

      You probably wanted to say, Israel was created, and the Arab countries can’t come to terms with it.
  • Guun
    Guun 31 January 2013 10: 10
    +2
    If the planes were to be shot down, a war would start, Syria would be weakened and one would not be able to withstand it for a long time. And the opposition and Assad see what they are going to, they will not be able to make peace so that they unite against a common enemy. Seeing this, someone decided to deliver a provocative strike.
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 31 January 2013 10: 24
      +1
      Quote: Guun
      Seeing this, someone decided to


      SOMEONE belay belay belay
    2. alexng
      alexng 31 January 2013 11: 38
      +3
      Here a little clarification of the situation.
      http://warfiles.ru/show-22949-ssha-vynudili-izrail-bombit-siriyu.html
    3. Bort radist
      Bort radist 31 January 2013 13: 46
      +1
      Quote: Guun
      Seeing this, someone decided to deliver a provocative blow.

      I agree, moreover, thinking the strike was provoked, or a variant of reconnaissance in force. They were expecting that the air defense means would "light up". Time will tell who was right.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 31 January 2013 10: 20
    +7
    Quote: Ardent
    I’ll call you to find out.

    Andrei, where you are going to call, if you’re in Tel Aviv, then you shouldn’t. They will not tell the truth, but they hang noodles on the ears.
    1. YARY
      YARY 31 January 2013 11: 04
      +2
      Alexander
      My whole house was hammered by the wives of friends from Damascus, Hama Zur. While I was in the hospital, they started to leave. Apparently, the husbands called back. Which pleased, that means they broke the nits ridge.
      So there is someone to ask around.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 31 January 2013 11: 13
      -3
      Sasha, the truth is that de jure, Syria has a war with Israel, and de facto Syria has supplied weapons to the same Hezbollah, and, in particular, from this facility.
      1. Allegedly
        Allegedly 2 February 2013 12: 52
        0
        Quote: Pimply
        the truth is de jure


        I see ...

        Do you have an uncle in Mossad, or are you a volunteer? No, no, I don't mind, gesheft is gesheft ... Purely for myself I asked, no offense ...
  • Pimply
    Pimply 31 January 2013 10: 40
    -7
    Not the first time. As a demonstration - I don’t remember what was once again there - there was somehow a flight over the presidential palace.
  • atalef
    atalef 31 January 2013 11: 17
    +5
    Quote: Ardent
    The question is, where is the air defense? If the "strike" was in the suburbs of Damascus, then this is just an amazing thing. There, the air defense would have "rocked" the flyers.

    Probably could not, look at the map.
  • aksakal
    aksakal 31 January 2013 11: 49
    10
    Quote: Ardent
    The question is, where is the air defense? If the "strike" was in the suburbs of Damascus, then this is just an amazing thing. There, the air defense would have "rocked" the flyers. But judging by the requests, they walked through the "easy" and bombed. There are a lot of questions. I'll call and find out.
    - they flew at an extremely low course. VAF, ultralow - what is the height? And there are questions to the Kolomenskoye Design Bureau - they tout their shells, there are 36 of them in Syria, and is it weak to make out planes even at an extremely low rate? I would not accept such an excuse as a buyer of expensive weapons and start a campaign to return disgraced weapons and its discredit. I don't care much what course. Tomorrow will be super-high - will we also make excuses for this? This blow severely distorted me. By the way, if that Turkish phantom also flew very low, I don’t remember exactly, but very low. After all, they found and knocked down, but then what hindered?
    This is the first. Secondly, Pupyrchaty, Professor, those who position themselves here as pigeons of the world - what kind of attack? Two scholars without trial, without investigation, at drowning in general it is not clear what banged, and so - how much do they investigate there? This is murder and lawlessness. I hope you can see why you are hated in the Arab world. If I were one of those killed scientists to my loved ones, I would have dedicated my life to killing any Israelites just for the fact that the Israelis. Do you see the roots of terrorism against you? You yourself are outrageous! Who allowed you to act like that?
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 31 January 2013 13: 10
      -3
      Quote: aksakal
      And there are questions for the Kolomenskoye Design Bureau - they tout their shells, there are 36 of them in Syria, and is it weak to make out planes even at an extremely low rate?

      Shell-C1 (GRAU index - 96K6, according to NATO codification - SA-22 Greyhound (English greyhound)) - Russian self-propelled ground-based anti-aircraft missile and cannon system (SAM), developed Tula State Unitary Enterprise "Instrument Design Bureau"
      Learn mat.part. hi
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 31 January 2013 18: 06
        0
        Quote: Papakiko
        Learn the mathematical part
        - this is the Kolomenskoye Design Bureau and was created by its Director General at the time of Shipunov’s creation. You must know this!
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 31 January 2013 22: 07
          0
          Order of Lenin and the Order of the Red Banner of Labor FSUE "Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering" (KBM)
          JSC Design Bureau of Instrumentation (KBP)
          For you, it's the same thing, then I’m renting hi
    2. UzRus
      UzRus 31 January 2013 13: 37
      +1
      Aksakal, in this direction the Shell could not be.
    3. atalef
      atalef 31 January 2013 13: 40
      0
      Quote: aksakal
      Two scientists without trial, without investigation, at drowning in general it is not clear what banged, and so - you never know what they are investigating

      What are you talking about? If about Iran, so who said it was us.
      If about * Research Center *, then we are not so stupid as to bomb potato storages.
      Quote: aksakal
      If I were one of those killed scientists to my loved ones, I would have dedicated my life to killing any Israelites just for the fact that the Israelis.

      Don’t worry, these scholars did just that, killing the Israelis just because they were Israelis.
      Syria attacked us 5 times. The first the day after the proclamation of the state.
      1. igor67
        igor67 31 January 2013 13: 47
        0
        atalef,
        Expert: Israel has long been following the Syrian CERS center bombed on January 30

        publication time: 09: 12
        last update: 10: 11



        Israeli intelligence has long been following the Syrian Research Center, known under the French abbreviation CERS, where non-conventional weapons were also being developed.

        According to the Syrian army, CERS in Jamrai was destroyed by Israeli bombing. As Yaakov Lapin writes in The Jerusalem Post, CERS has been developing chemical and biological weapons intended, among other things, for the terrorist organizations Hamas and Hezbollah.

        In 2010, Brigadier General Nitzan Nuriel warned that CERS should be destroyed if it did not stop developing weapons for terrorists. In 2004, Israeli intelligence services reported that CERS was developing chemical weapons.

        In 2005, US President George W. Bush accused CERS of proliferating weapons of mass destruction. Two years earlier, the US Treasury Department imposed sanctions against CERS.

        According to globalsecurity.org, specialists from Russia secretly worked at the CERS center.

        Recall that the Syrian army officially announced that on the night of January 30, Israeli Air Force planes bombed a military research center in Jamray, near Damascus. As a result of the blow, two people were killed, five more were injured.

        At the same time, the Syrian opposition claimed that the Israeli Air Force bombed a convoy carrying weapons to Lebanon. Among other cargo, there were SA-17 anti-aircraft missiles. Oppositionists reported that the attack on Jamray was carried out by rebel fighters, and not Israeli aircraft.

        Lebanese media reported on January 31 that after the bombing of the armies of Lebanon, Syria and Jordan, they increased their alert.

        Russian Foreign Ministry on Israeli Air Force strikes on targets in Syria: "Gross violation of the UN Charter"

        publication time: 08: 47
        last update: 08: 49



        The Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation published its first reaction to reports of Israeli air strikes on military facilities in Syria.

        “Moscow has received with deep concern the reports of the Israeli Air Force raid on targets in Syria near Damascus. it was not justified, "the official commentary on the website of the Russian Foreign Ministry says.

        The Russian Foreign Ministry says it is "taking urgent measures to clarify this situation in all its details."

        "Once again, we urge you to end any violence in Syria, prevent any outside interference and start an all-Syrian dialogue based on the Geneva accords of June 30, 2012," the Russian Foreign Ministry said.
      2. Bort radist
        Bort radist 31 January 2013 13: 50
        0
        Quote: atalef
        we are not so stupid that potato storages would be bombed.

        Maybe this was the bombing, so they didn’t touch anyone.
      3. Cynic
        Cynic 31 January 2013 18: 16
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        to kill Israelis is only because they are Israelis.

        Eh hehe.
        Through its policies, Israel is gradually introducing this idea into many minds. No state, no problem.
        What a pity, there are so many friends and all very good people.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 1 February 2013 23: 55
          +1
          No state no problem is said from the very founding of Israel. AND?
    4. VAF
      VAF 31 January 2013 15: 11
      +6
      Quote: aksakal
      they flew at an extremely low course. VAF, ultralow - what is the height?


      If we take our documents as a basis, then there is no such criterion. Extremely small, Small, Medium, Large and flights over ceilings and in the stratosphere!

      During the daytime PMV is 100 meters, at night 200 meters above the flat and hilly terrain.

      So I dare to assume that the Israelis went at altitudes below 50 meters, which is not a big deal.with sufficient training and preparedness (which I am sure of is the training and preparedness of the Israeli air force) and the presence of a modern RBEO).

      Nowadays, we went to the exercises at altitudes of 10-30 meters, although the lots knew the same as the multiplication table and all the excesses .. right up to the hemp wink
      Well, the guys who make "Tula gingerbread" and "Samovars" too early .. to criticize, because. the Syrians have never really had air defense, in the sense of not air defense weapons, but their operation and .. use for their intended purpose, this is how it was with me in the 80th year, and now ... unfortunately !!!
      And about the tactics .. in the sense of advancing to dangerous directions. Building early warning means .. this is generally ... a bitter song ..... for all Arabs so where we were advisers !!!

      So it’s not regrettable ..but against a serious opponent Syria ... will not stand and ... for several days! soldier

      Only this question was considered ... pure tactics ... no more!
      1. igor67
        igor67 31 January 2013 16: 45
        +3
        VAF,
        Hello, Sergey ! About what low altitudes, I already wrote the planes fly the third day, the day before yesterday it was sunny it was visible only white traces of the spiral, now it rains for two days, fog such as milk, the planes are heard, but they see high flying, there is no roar
        1. VAF
          VAF 31 January 2013 19: 25
          +2
          Quote: igor67
          About what low altitudes, I already wrote airplanes the third day


          Igor, welcome! I answered the question posed, what are super low heights and ... "with what they are eaten" wassat
          1. igor67
            igor67 31 January 2013 19: 29
            +4
            VAF,
            I understood dumb torture drinks
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 31 January 2013 17: 05
        +2
        Quote: vaf
        So it’s not regrettable ..but against a serious opponent Syria ... will not stand and ... for several days!

        Same opinion !!
        From conversations with Turkish officers at one time, they, too, had a low opinion of the capabilities of Syrian air defense and the army!
      3. aksakal
        aksakal 31 January 2013 18: 20
        +3
        Quote: vaf
        Nowadays, we went to the exercises at altitudes of 10-30 meters, although the lots knew the same as the multiplication table and all the excesses .. right up to the hemp
        - thanks, WAF! Of course, at this height you can’t find much ... But you won’t bomb from such a height! In front of the object, soar up anyway! Here the map is shown - only 6-7 km to the Presidential Palace! And the Palace is guarded by Armor in any way. How did they not see Israeli planes soaring up? Do they sleep right behind the radar monitor? I did this once during the performance of combat duty - I almost fell under the tribunal and did not climb out of the outfits of the dogo! Do the Syrians have the concept of alert duty?
        In general, one question, one answer - against a serious opponent Syria is not an opponent! What weapons do not give them! Alas, it is true!
        1. VAF
          VAF 31 January 2013 19: 36
          +3
          Quote: aksakal
          Of course, at this height you will not find much.


          Yes, not at all, +! Your comments today are just ... shine good

          Quote: aksakal
          But you won’t bomb from such a height!


          Easy and laid-back, though not from 10 meters, but from 50 and above ... no problem - bombs with TU and more slowdown soldier

          As so to speak ... visualization .. specially taken from the realities of military operations, and not exercises ....
          Su-17M3 (if you stop immediately for a pause, you can see .. the height of 40-60 meters is not more)! soldier

    5. Yarbay
      Yarbay 31 January 2013 16: 47
      +3
      Quote: aksakal
      By the way, if that Turkish phantom also flew very low, I don’t remember exactly, but very low. After all, they found and knocked down, but then what hindered?

      The Turkish authorities conducted an investigation, the Turkish Air Force plane was not shot down, and crashed due to technical problems!
      1. Andrey57
        Andrey57 31 January 2013 18: 37
        +2
        I wonder how they managed to "conduct an investigation" if they themselves were shouting about debris with traces of holes? The Turk was filled up very competently, if that ... laughing
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 31 January 2013 21: 55
          0
          Quote: Andrey57
          I wonder how they managed to "conduct an investigation" if they themselves were shouting about debris with traces of holes? The Turk was filled up very competently, if that.

          I constantly watch and read the Turkish media, on the contrary, they stated that they did not find any holes and, examining the black boxes, they came to the conclusion that the plane crashed due to technical problems !!
          Until the end of the investigation and after, not one Turkish general or statesman stated the opposite !!
          If you have confirmation to the contrary, give a reference!
    6. Sandov
      Sandov 31 January 2013 20: 27
      0
      aksakal,

      Ours on the same technique intercept targets, you need to study their weapons. And when the war is not necessary to pray, but to fight. Syrians, it’s time for you to already learn military affairs. Rats wet well, but do not forget about the technique.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 2 February 2013 00: 01
        0
        The Syrians have always fought very well.
  • Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 31 January 2013 15: 22
    0
    Apparently they did not begin to disclose their positions, several jackals are not worth it.
    But now it’s obvious that Israel hit the Poi of Syria, but at the same time it has no idea where and when the air defense will begin to snap, it means they don’t know what to suppress
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 31 January 2013 16: 03
    +2
    Quote: Ardent
    Where was the air defense? If the "strike" was in the suburbs of Damascus, then this is just an amazing thing. There the air defense would have "rocked" the flyers. But judging by the applications, they walked through the "easy" and bombed. There are a lot of questions. I'll call and find out.

    From the very beginning, many local users overestimated and continue to overestimate the capabilities of the air defense of Syria and Iran and underestimate the capabilities of their opponents!
    A clear example is evident!
  • Army1
    Army1 31 January 2013 21: 34
    0
    I agree where the air defense
  • Trailer
    Trailer 31 January 2013 09: 05
    +2
    TEL AVIV, 28 Jan - RIA News. The head of the Israeli National Security Council, Yaakov Amidror, went on Monday to hold talks in the Russian Federation amid the Jewish state’s concern about the situation in Syria and the threat of Syrian chemical weapons falling into the hands of radical groups.
    Unlike the local media, which characterize the mission as urgent, the office of the Prime Minister of Israel called the visit a worker and fit into the framework of regular consultations between the Security Council of both countries. The interlocutor of RIA Novosti did not specify the agenda of the negotiations. Amidror plans to meet with Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev and, possibly, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

    The newspaper Maariv writes that Amidror intends to raise the issue of the safety of stockpiles of chemical weapons in Syria, where the confrontation between government troops and opposition groups continues. Concern over the fate of the arsenal of “Syria's increasingly crumbling” on the eve was expressed by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, while Deputy Prime Minister Silvan Shalom confirmed that Israel could use force to prevent the mass destruction of weapons from falling into the hands of militants, both supporters and opponents of the regime Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

    “This would be the intersection of the red line, which would require a different approach, including even action,” said Shalom of the Galei IDF radio station. At the same time, he made it clear that in Israel they prefer to solve the problem by collective efforts, and said that last week, immediately after the election, the fate of the Syrian arsenals was discussed at a meeting at Netanyahu.

    A week ago, the secretary of the Russian Security Council invited the chairman of the Israeli National Security Council to visit Moscow. During a telephone conversation, the parties “discussed regional security issues,” the Russian Security Council said in a statement.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 31 January 2013 10: 25
      +5
      Quote: Karavan
      The head of the National Security Council of Israel, Yaakov Amidror, went on Monday to conduct negotiations in the Russian Federation amid the Jewish state’s concern about the situation in Syria

      Well then, concern has appeared, why would it? Here until recently, all the Jews on the site screamed that they did not care about what was happening in Syria. And here once the heart was stabbed belay let him take antidepressants and bring home laughing
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 31 January 2013 10: 48
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Here until recently, all the Jews on the site screamed



        PARADOX!!! Theirs is now here.

        STRONG.
      2. igor67
        igor67 31 January 2013 13: 09
        +2
        Alexander Romanov,
        Romanitch! What is it? Many times, by the way, it was written in the Israeli media that if there is a real threat of the capture of chemical weapons by the rebels or I don’t know which weapon, Israel reserves the right to destroy this weapon, the question is different, with all the victorious messages from Assad’s army, apparently getting worse. Maybe there is some kind of reliable source of information? Gromov, with all due respect, I don’t think is a true source, emotionally writes, beautiful as in the good old days, although she did not deny that until recently she was a member of the Communist Party, there are all kinds of raiders, where are the official correspondents?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 31 January 2013 13: 55
          +4
          Quote: igor67
          Many times, by the way, it was written in the Israeli media that if there is a real threat of the capture by the rebels of a chemical or I don’t know what weapon,

          Hi Igor! The question is whether there was a threat and what the hell the bomb was being bombed by, and not those clowns who wanted to use it against Israel. Yes, and then ours are around, and if they get there?
          With regards to thunder. Past her there our barks are there and show. What and how. One wounded yesterday.
        2. Cynic
          Cynic 31 January 2013 18: 26
          0
          Quote: igor67
          Israel reserves the right to destroy these weapons

          And is it possible to destroy, in principle? one hundred % .
      3. atalef
        atalef 31 January 2013 13: 43
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Here until recently, all the Jews on the site screamed that they did not care about what was happening in Syria

        Alexander, and deeply

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And here once the heart was stabbed

        When they saw the possibility of chemical weapons falling into the hands of the SSA. Thank you, say, now the CCA would run with a chemical weapon, really you are not catching up. While Assad controlled him, no one bombed anyone.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 31 January 2013 13: 57
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          Alexander, and deeply

          Judging by the bombing and the arrival of your official in Moscow, this is not so.
          Quote: atalef
          Thank you, say, now CCA with chemical weapons ran

          Correctly, I realized that if we now start to bomb scumbags trying to seize arsenals with chemical weapons, will Israel say thanks to Russia and not support the squeals of the United States?
          1. atalef
            atalef 31 January 2013 20: 36
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            I understood correctly that if we now start bombing scumbags trying to seize arsenals with chemical weapons, then Israel will say thanks to Russia and will not support US squeals


            Alexander, definitely, and even thanks from me personally.
          2. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 2 February 2013 05: 08
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            if we start bombing scumbags trying to grab arsenals

            Hi Sasha ! I’ve dropped out of circulation here for a couple of days. I missed everything again wassat What is going on on our site?
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 31 January 2013 10: 44
      +2
      Quote: Karavan
      СЃСѓРґСЊР ± Р ° СЃРёСЂРёР№№ЃЃРєРёС… Р ° рсенР° Р »РѕРІ РѕР ± суждР° Р» Р ° СЃСЊ РЅР ° совЂу Р °Р °С ° Р °Р °С ° Р °Р °С ° Р °Р °С ° Р °Р °С ° Р °Р °С ° Р °Р °Р °С ° Р °Р °С ° Р °Р °Р °С ° Р °Р °Р °С ° Р °Р °Р °С ° Р °Р °Р °С ° Р °Р °Р °С ° Р °Р °Р °С ° Р °Р °Р °С °….

      How "some" love to count in someone else's pocket! And decide whether a lot or a little is stored there! And isn't it time to take it away! With good intentions, of course!
      1. atalef
        atalef 31 January 2013 11: 35
        -1
        Quote: Egoza
        And to decide a lot or a little is stored there! And is not it time to take away! Well intentioned, naturally!

        Do you want the chemical weapons to fall into the hands of the SSA? Where will it come up later than Israel? Something seems to me that in the S. Caucasus, especially since Chechen fighters have been seen more than once in the ranks of the SSA. You still say thank you to Israel.
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 31 January 2013 13: 19
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          Do you want the chemical weapons to fall into the hands of the SSA?

          So who is stopping the Israeli Air Force from striking at the SSA?
          I think the Syrian Armed Forces with great pleasure would be engaged in target designation.
          But the goal is another truth?
          You "care" about the safety of the people of Israel.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 31 January 2013 17: 08
            +3
            Quote: Papakiko
            You "care" about the safety of the people of Israel.

            This is normal, but whose safety should they think first of all?
        2. Andrey57
          Andrey57 31 January 2013 18: 44
          -4
          Thanks to Israel, we won’t say for sure, don’t even dream, and universal hatred of you from all sides around the perimeter will erase you, like a state, if you just amer to speed up your slide into the economic abyss laughing
  • alma
    alma 31 January 2013 09: 10
    0
    It was worth Russia to finish the teachings in the Mediterranean, so immediately the Jews snapped
  • gas
    gas 31 January 2013 09: 19
    20
    The Jews conducted reconnaissance in battle in order to determine the reaction of Russia and China. The Turks also previously wanted to eat fish now ... I hope the next time the Jewish pilots will leave their charred remains in Syria.
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 31 January 2013 09: 24
      +2
      Quote: gaz
      Turks also wanted to eat fish now ..


      This is when the Syrians F-4, in my opinion, shot down? By the summer was, if not mistaken.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 31 January 2013 10: 27
        +5
        Quote: Vanek
        about when the Syrians f-4, in my opinion, shot down?

        Hi Ivan! Then they shot down and the stench was all over the world, and now the Israelites will be knocked down and there will be no longer a stench but a stink. Genocide and all that sort of thing.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 31 January 2013 17: 09
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Hi Ivan! Then they shot down and the stench was all over the world, and now the Israelites will be knocked down and there will be no longer a stench but a stink. Genocide and all that sort of thing.

          Sanya he was not hit !!
    2. dld35057
      dld35057 31 January 2013 09: 47
      +5
      Yes, I agree with you. It's time to include our specialists in the work. It’s time to start shooting the McCain netanyahs and various sheikhs there as organizers of gangs and terrorist groups. So, Russia has its own laws on this.
    3. Evgeny_Lev
      Evgeny_Lev 31 January 2013 09: 51
      +3
      But do not your friends think that this is a subtle allusion to Israel's weaknesses in the air defense zones?
      Well, they showed Generals Asadovsky where to strengthen. They can’t say it directly, but with such a gesture they saved their face and passed on the info.
      Agree, because after such a breakthrough in defense, Assad should be strengthened where he sees air defense. And the goal that Israel bombed is IMHO insignificant for revealing cards. Such an opportunity would have to be used for bombing the General Staff or Assad’s palace, and here is some kind of research institute that doesn’t even have warehouses.
      1. nerd.su
        nerd.su 31 January 2013 11: 12
        +4
        Quote: Evgeny_Lev
        What is a subtle allusion to Israel's weaknesses in air defense zones?


        Yes, this is a thick hint that Israel is not e .. worried about Russian support for Syria. Well, they say, you’ve carried out a drill here with your entire fleet, but for us ... We are in response to a combat action. And with this, the entire international and intra-Syrian effect of the exercises was nullified. Indeed, everyone thinks that there is no sense in the Russian fleet, if the Israelis without real fear inflict real blows on Syria?
        In short, if you didn’t twist, the Jews paid us :( One departure ...
        What we are going to do..?
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 31 January 2013 17: 11
          +1
          Quote: bot.su

          Yes, this is a thick hint that Israel is not e .. worried about Russian support for Syria

          It is truth too!
      2. Andrey57
        Andrey57 31 January 2013 18: 48
        0
        I wonder how you would sing if your relatives were among the people killed by Jews in "this insignificant object". Moreover, these people were on the territory of their country hi
        1. atalef
          atalef 31 January 2013 19: 02
          +2
          Quote: Andrey57
          I wonder how you would sing if your relatives were among the people killed by Jews in "this insignificant object". Moreover, these people were on the territory of their country

          The reaction would be completely identical to yours when Hamas (not so long ago) fired on the cities of Israel (with civilians), among whom were thousands of Russian citizens.
  • slas
    slas 31 January 2013 10: 14
    0
    Quote: Hammer
    In general, now everything will depend on the position of Russia in this matter. Now I think everyone is really looking forward to what Moscow will say

    It is clear that Moscow steers only why the air defense of Syria did not work. And ???
  • older
    older 31 January 2013 09: 11
    +2
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Well, has it started?
    It's too early to say so ... We look forward to today's announcement by Russia, China and Syria ... And then concrete actions ... Aggression in full without options .. So you need to respond quickly ... Air defense will start working without warning ...
    1. YARY
      YARY 31 January 2013 09: 16
      +3
      Bashar al-Assad called the possible timing of the end of the war in Syria

      According to him, the republic’s armed forces regained their initiative on the battlefields and "achieved a radical change, which will become obvious very soon." “The Syrian army did not allow the gangs to take over any of the provinces in the past 22 months of the crisis,” Assad emphasized.

      Speaking about the position taken by foreign states in this situation, the Syrian president noted that, for example, Russia, which has sided with Damascus, is protecting itself, and not the government of the country, in the first place. He also expressed confidence that the position of Moscow would remain unchanged.

      Touching upon the United States, the Syrian leader noted that Washington is "not ready at the moment to resolve the crisis." At the same time, he responded with satisfaction about the inclusion by the Department of State in the list of terrorist organizations of the extremist group Jebhat al-Nusra, which is fighting with government forces. Assad stated that "this al Qaeda branch will be completely destroyed in the near future."
      Great Britain wants to legalize the supply of military equipment to Syria for the needs of terrorists. It is expected that the proposal to partially lift the embargo will be announced by London this Thursday at a meeting of EU foreign ministers

      MORE
      1. YARY
        YARY 31 January 2013 09: 17
        +1
        “William Haig expects to be supported by Germany and France,” the Times writes on Tuesday.

        In December last year, London was able to insist that the EU extend the arms embargo not for a year, as planned earlier, but only until March 1. Now the British expect that they will be able to convince their colleagues to partially lift this ban by this time, ITAR-TASS reports.

        The publication claims that at a meeting in Brussels, the British Foreign Minister will try to prove to his colleagues that the equipment will not fall into the hands of Islamic militants, in particular the terrorist organization Jabhat al-Nusra, recognized in the USA.

        The opponents of Bashar al-Assad themselves again demanded financial assistance and weapons from the Western countries sympathetic to them. “We need at least $ 500 million to form a workable government. We also need weapons, weapons and more weapons, ”said the head of the so-called National Syrian Council, Georges Sabra, during the opening of an international conference in Paris in support of the“ National Coalition of Opposition and Revolutionary Forces of Syria ”(which in Syria is called nothing else, as the Qatari coalition).

        MORE
        1. YARY
          YARY 31 January 2013 09: 18
          0
          He expressed confidence that the fears of the Western powers, taught by the experience of Libya, when some types of weapons delivered to the rebels were in the hands of Islamist groups, are justified

          In Damascus, on the contrary, they say that it is the help of Western countries that impedes the restoration of peace in the country.

          The UN, meanwhile, is sounding the alarm about the fact that, in their opinion, both sides are too zealous and even intentionally destroying Syrian civilian objects.

          “Civil infrastructure facilities are seriously damaged. Both sides of the conflict intentionally choose it as the target of their attacks. The extent of the devastation in Syria is shocking. It's hard to say how long it will take to restore the economy and infrastructure at this stage, not to mention the fact that the conflict may drag on, ”said John Ging, head of the coordination and response department of the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) last night.

          He stressed that the number of people in need in Syria is growing every day, and with it the cost of humanitarian operations. According to UN forecasts, in the next six months, these goals will require about $ 1,5 billion, of which $ 1 billion will be needed to help Syrian refugees who have taken refuge in neighboring countries.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 31 January 2013 10: 47
            +3
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    2. afire
      afire 31 January 2013 09: 19
      +4
      why didn’t our ships prevent an attack?
      you know - here I think I found the answer to the question - why did the Americans leave the Mediterranean ....
      the answer is - at the same time, a contract was signed with Exxon Mobil for the development of our northern shelf in the amount of 30%
      that's all-gazz zhfffffft
    3. atalef
      atalef 31 January 2013 11: 36
      +3
      Quote: older
      So you need to respond quickly ... Air defense will begin to work without warning ..

      But should it work with a warning?
  • LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 31 January 2013 09: 20
    +7
    Well, has it started?


    Vladimir! I want to say the same thing: "Well, it started?"

    - most likely, YES, FRIENDS!
    “But still, I want to remain optimistic.”
    I wish the Syrians and B. Assad stability and steadfastness!

    But as my neighbor (siege and Labor Veteran) told me: "God forbid you know what" WAR "is.
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 31 January 2013 09: 55
      0
      The First World War began on a more trifling occasion than an attack on a city near which the Russian naval base is located and military exercises are being conducted by the forces of the three combined fleets of Russia ....... somehow the latest news from world fronts is a little annoying. .................. silently endure?
    2. YARY
      YARY 31 January 2013 10: 00
      +6
      YES indeed there was an airstrike.
      The question is that under the strong opposition of Israel's electronic warfare, everything was carried out competently. As the saying goes, "P-c crept up .....". Because of the hostilities in the suburbs, the air defense made a blunder! I think the entire headquarters of the Syrian Air Defense Forces are now raking in the p-lins.
      Although there are objective reasons-the occupation of Gollan. And from this side you can get to Damascus in the light-mountains cover. And afterwards, you can go to the Damascus from the U-turn. Therefore, our air defense was deployed there in the 80s.
      Now it's just a hole in defense.
      It is a pity.
      1. atalef
        atalef 31 January 2013 11: 39
        0
        Quote: Ardent
        .A and from this side you can get to Damascus in the light-mountains cover.

        Well, the hills in 400 m high are very cool to call mountains, and even with a width of 14 km and a length of 60 km, it is simply ridiculous to consider them a natural cover.
        Quote: Ardent
        Now it's just a hole in defense

        Where?
  • Steering wheel
    Steering wheel 31 January 2013 10: 20
    +2
    Israel, the USA are the No. 1 enemies for Russia - they are subject to complete destruction as fascist Germany. I think after this incident no one needs to prove this fact.
    1. Beck
      Beck 31 January 2013 12: 19
      0
      Quote: Steering
      I think after this incident no one needs to prove this fact. The United States is subject to total destruction.


      And, what is this incident in your opinion pulls on the reason for unleashing 3MB? After all, an attempt to destroy the United States is 3MB.

      Yeah. And why can’t you blink in thoughtless passion? And in general, what is 3MB, it can not be by definition, default and common sense. Since there will be not a third, but mutual destruction of human civilization. And that this global destruction is tantamount to some single two-truck air raid.
      1. Steering wheel
        Steering wheel 31 January 2013 13: 20
        0
        Quote: Beck
        And, what is this incident in your opinion pulls on the reason for unleashing 3MB? After all, an attempt to destroy the United States is 3MB.
        Israel and the USA are enemies for Russia No. 1 - the enemy needs to be destroyed, for this it is not necessary to unleash a global war, it is necessary to supply weapons to their enemies, to maintain the destructive forces in the guts of these gangster states - to sharpen the enemy from the guts, but when it weakens - slam it with one blow .
        1. Beck
          Beck 31 January 2013 13: 52
          +4
          Quote: Steering
          Israel and the USA are enemies for Russia No. 1 - the enemy needs to be destroyed, for this it is not necessary to unleash a global war, it is necessary to supply weapons to their enemies, to maintain the destructive forces in the guts of these gangster states - to sharpen the enemy from the guts, but when it weakens - slam it with one blow .


          Well, what Israel is the enemy of Russia. And the US is not an enemy. Enemy is a specific definition of warring parties. US rival is yes. Opponent in economic and political leadership. And here we need not destruction, but our comprehensive development of the economy, science and technology. When ahead of all this, it will be a victory.

          And to supply weapons to the entire environment of the United States, to support their domestic destructive forces, to sharpen from the inside, so this is not enough pants.

          The USSR also armed everyone against American imperialism, provided huge financial support to the US Communist Party, led by Gess Hall. And where is the USSR now. He exploded. Nobody returned the money for the weapon; Gess Hall quietly faded somewhere.

          And why step on the rake again.
          1. Steering wheel
            Steering wheel 31 January 2013 14: 10
            +1
            Quote: Beck
            Well, what Israel is the enemy of Russia. And the US is not an enemy
            You will read the statements of leading politicians in the United States and Israel, analyze the economic factors of the life of these two countries, which live ONLY the protection of the Jewish Fed press and download real goods and services for these wrappers from Russia and their other economic colonies. These are not just enemies. THESE ARE DEATH enemies, because according to the image created by the economic pattern, they will either get to the gratuitous resources of Russia or their debt crisis will destroy them themselves. The Jewish green wrappers of the Fed refuse to accept the leading economies of the world in China, India, Russia, Japan, and others in their mutual debates. The countries in their mutual debates are switching to national currencies in order not to pay tribute to the Jewish dollar. This is fatal for the United States and Israel, and this is the reason for artificially created conflicts in the Middle East in order to bring Muslim extremism to the rebellious. ISRAEL and USA - DEADLY OUR ENEMY. THE ENEMY WILL BE BROKEN. THE VICTORY WILL BE AFTER US.
          2. atalef
            atalef 31 January 2013 20: 42
            +1
            Quote: Beck
            Nobody returned the money for the weapon; Gess Hall quietly faded somewhere.


            And Angela Davis turned out to be a lesbian and an alcoholic. Apparently not on those set laughing
  • askort154
    askort154 31 January 2013 10: 31
    +1
    Quote .... Vladimir
    ... Well, has it started?

    Apparently, they were waiting for our naval group to leave the Syrian region.
  • Dinver
    Dinver 31 January 2013 14: 14
    0
    Israeli attack

    The situation with the bombing of Israeli aircraft in Syria looks very strange. That is - there was a blow. But what bombed - the versions differ so dramatically that it’s clear that someone is lying. Or Israel, or Syria.
    Israeli version - they bombed a certain column that was moving something to Lebanon. Syrians say they bombed a military science center.
    The subtlety is that it is impossible today to bomb a convoy moving to Lebanon from Damascus. Or at least this version looks very doubtful. The reason is quite mundane: it rained for two days, and ice on the passes. And more than serious - I talked with Damascus - they shrug there - the passes are closed. Two days already. For trucks - for sure. That is, if they say to the military, they, of course, will go, but the logic is zero. They’ll die somewhere in the ditch, or even deeper — and there’s no need to bomb.

    Because the version of the Syrians so far looks more logical and consistent. The question remains - why?

    There are two possible answers right away. The first is a test of Syrian air defense. What is there and how. The second - the Israelis really do not like the prospect of negotiations between the opposition and the government and they are thus somehow trying to invigorate the situation. The logic of Israel is that these Arabs slaughter each other for as long as possible.

    Both answers are dubious, but Israel's version of opposing the transfer of some weapons to Lebanon looks even more dubious. Both chemical weapons and Buk air defense systems seem to be announced. All the more hastily and by all means.

    In general, so far it’s clear that nothing is clear. Will wait.

    El murid
    1. atalef
      atalef 31 January 2013 14: 25
      +2
      Quote: Dinver
      The subtlety is that it is impossible today to bomb a convoy moving to Lebanon from Damascus. Or at least this version looks very doubtful. The reason is quite mundane: it rained for two days, and ice on the passes. And more than serious - I talked with Damascus - they shrug there - the passes are closed.

      What the hell are the passes? 500 mountains high, what ice? Outside the window + 16 (true rain) laughing
      Quote: Dinver
      Because the version of the Syrians so far looks more logical and consistent. The question remains - why?

      In general, the Israeli version - the column and the center are bombed. (this is also consistent with the observations of Igor 67, the 2 groups of aircraft entered at different times) of the total order of 12 aircraft
      Quote: Dinver
      The first is a test of Syrian air defense.

      What to check it, they know everything about him, the second reason is ridiculous, you should not even answer.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 31 January 2013 16: 04
        -1
        The official did not seem to be voiced yet, about two goals - the Jerusalem Post.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 31 January 2013 16: 02
      -1
      Israel has not officially announced anything.

      The Syrian army officially announced that on the night of January 30, Israeli Air Force planes bombed a military research center in Jamray, near Damascus. As a result of the air raid there were casualties.

      The Syrian Armed Forces General Command, released by the state news agency SANA, said Israeli planes bombed a center where research was being conducted "to increase resistance and self-defense." The impact killed two people and injured five more. The center suffered significant material damage.
    3. Cynic
      Cynic 31 January 2013 18: 33
      0
      Quote: Dinver
      But what was bombed

      Is it so important ?
  • domokl
    domokl 31 January 2013 08: 22
    21
    But for this it is necessary to beat on the ears .. This is a violation of sovereignty and direct aggression ... In the place of the Syrian military, I would have accidentally flopped in that direction ...
    1. Denis
      Denis 31 January 2013 08: 29
      11
      domokl,
      It was necessary to bring down the plane .. only in this way, and so everyone saw that you can safely fly in.
    2. Vanek
      Vanek 31 January 2013 08: 30
      +3
      Quote: domokl
      flopped in that direction ...


      Saddam Hussein's favorite toy am am am
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 31 January 2013 08: 33
        18
        Quote: domokl
        In the place of the Syrian military, I would accidentally flop in that direction ...

        The idea lies in this, the Syrians will bang Jews and Amers will scream that the inhuman regime of Assad attacked another state.
        1. Sergh
          Sergh 31 January 2013 08: 58
          +2
          Completely raw information. So far, only from "trusted" sources. Around one repost. As if tomorrow it was not someone's duck.
          1. Perch_xnumx
            Perch_xnumx 31 January 2013 11: 47
            0
            Completely raw information. So far, only from "trusted" sources. Around one repost. As if tomorrow it will not turn out to be someone's duck.

            http://inosmi.ru/asia/20130131/205283434.html
        2. atalef
          atalef 31 January 2013 09: 13
          0
          Quote: Vladimirets
          The idea lies in this, the Syrians will bang Jews and Amers will scream that the inhuman regime of Assad attacked another state.

          Well yes, hold me five, because three won't hold me laughing
        3. YARY
          YARY 31 January 2013 10: 26
          +5
          Does an act of overt aggression exist? YES
          You can answer, but competently. First, the statement at UN-time!
          After that, a statement on diplomatic ties to Israel-two. And you can strike your own blow.
          But this is a war on two fronts. And Syria can’t stand it anymore.
          So without fake support (and who doubts?), Russia, being in the grip of Syria, can not afford it. The tails have calculated everything.
        4. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 31 January 2013 10: 32
          +2
          Quote: Vladimirets
          the Syrians fucking Jews and amers will scream that the Assad’s inhuman regime has attacked another state

          Рђ Р ± оевики РєРѕРіРѕ РІ этом СЃР »СѓС З Р ° Рµ поддержР° С‚ -Р Р · СЂР ° РёР »СЊ?
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 31 January 2013 10: 51
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Рђ Р ± оевики РєРѕРіРѕ РІ этом СЃР »СѓС З Р ° Рµ поддержР° С‚ -Р Р · СЂР ° РёР »СЊ?

            Maybe they will support them, if only they can get to the trough and change the power. Although it is possible and competently to play on religious feelings, again "show what patriots you are," but then a long bargaining will begin. And time is running out.
          2. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 31 January 2013 11: 34
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Рђ Р ± оевики РєРѕРіРѕ РІ этом СЃР »СѓС З Р ° Рµ поддержР° С‚ -Р Р · СЂР ° РёР »СЊ?

            They will not support Israel, they simply will not be against it while Assad is in power. If Assad is overthrown, then Israel will again be the enemy.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 31 January 2013 11: 37
              +2
              Quote: Vladimirets
              they just won’t be against him,

              Islamists will not be against Israel, but I beg you! They sleep and see Israel reach, so you do not take into account religious fanaticism.
        5. Bort radist
          Bort radist 31 January 2013 13: 58
          0
          Quote: Vladimirets
          The idea is this, the Syrians will bang Jews and Amers scream,

          Once again, the figure was sacrificed for the sake of advantage.
          In the creep of this silence is the attackers, where is the report of successes. Or something did not work out or such a scenario was not expected. Let's wait .....
      2. older
        older 31 January 2013 09: 16
        +1
        Quote: Vanek
        Saddam Hussein's favorite toy
        So ... Well, it happened so .. it happens ... The soldier who guarded the wrong button pressed laughing
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 31 January 2013 09: 22
          +1
          Quote: older
          pressed the wrong button


          Or maybe that one.

          ......... Well ....... Accidentally.
    3. askort154
      askort154 31 January 2013 08: 51
      11
      Israel is an American chain dog in the Middle East. They behave unleashed - boorish in the region, while the world has been imposed the opinion that they are victims of the Holocaust. Nothing in the world lasts forever, their time will come.
      1. Manager
        Manager 31 January 2013 09: 57
        +1
        Quote: askort154
        Nothing in the world lasts forever, their time will come.

        That would be quick. These monsters in sheep's clothing the whole world zatr .... ali. "!!!!!
        1. YARY
          YARY 31 January 2013 10: 47
          +3
          Only now when ??
          If even on this site there is no urine from their influence?
          1. TUMAN
            TUMAN 31 January 2013 12: 08
            -7
            Quote: Ardent
            If even on this site there is no urine from their influence?

            And this is their site. From this site smacks of Jews.
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 31 January 2013 17: 19
            +3
            Quote: Ardent
            Only now when ??
            If even on this site there is no urine from their influence?

            I was born and raised in the USSR and also believed that Israel was to blame for everything, but having talked here with users from Israel, I realized that not everything was as I knew!
            If you look objectively, then everything is very ambiguous!
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 31 January 2013 10: 34
        +4
        Quote: askort154
        while the world has been imposed that they are victims of the Holocaust.

        Hodor, Gusinsky and birch are also victims
    4. Alex-z84
      Alex-z84 31 January 2013 08: 56
      +7
      In the place of the Syrian military, it would not be wise to start a war on two fronts.
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 31 January 2013 09: 16
        +6
        Less to me I suppose someone from Israel put it right?

        You gbljhfcs comment, kznm your antics in relation to Syria.

        Gbljhs, kznm inhuman !!!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 31 January 2013 10: 38
          +9
          Quote: Vanek
          Less to me I suppose someone from Israel put it right?

          Ivan is not a minus, this is a cropped plus laughing
          1. Vanek
            Vanek 31 January 2013 10: 47
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Ivan is not a minus, this is a cropped plus


            Damn it !!! "Finished off" completely laughing

            Alexander hi
          2. Bort radist
            Bort radist 31 January 2013 14: 02
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            it's a cropped plus

            Aaaaaaaaaaa +1000
        2. YARY
          YARY 31 January 2013 10: 53
          +5
          Vanya dear, do not be surprised! I first minus 50000 and yesterday minus 20000. Get used to mulberries according to the rules of "war" will not be! Current leather jackets will save Russia.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 31 January 2013 10: 55
            +2
            Quote: Ardent
            and yesterday minus 20000.

            Whom have you stuck with minuses again laughing
          2. Vanek
            Vanek 31 January 2013 11: 19
            0
            Quote: Ardent
            Vanya dear, do not be surprised!


            A military man in a tavern is resting. The young lady is suitable:
            - Let's go, dance.
            - I don’t dance.
            Five to ten minutes later. She is the same:
            - Well, let's drink at least.
            - I do not drink.
            A few more minutes. She is the same:
            - Listen, but you came to me.
            - No thanks.
            - Listen, how do you relax?
            - And I DO NOT ATTRACT!
      2. older
        older 31 January 2013 09: 17
        +1
        Quote: Alex-z84
        In the place of the Syrian military, it would not be wise to start a war on two fronts.
        Israel has no allies in its allies ... And aviation, a huge help for bandits ...
      3. DEfindER
        DEfindER 31 January 2013 09: 57
        +2
        Quote: Alex-z84
        In the place of the Syrian military, it would not be wise to start a war on two fronts.

        It has already begun, and without response, it will only get worse, and if they flutter immediately stop flying
      4. Beck
        Beck 31 January 2013 12: 24
        0
        Quote: Alex-z84
        In the place of the Syrian military, it would not be wise to start a war on two fronts


        The Syrian Supreme Military Command in full command must be resigned.
        1. Focker
          Focker 31 January 2013 13: 00
          0
          Beck, and who in their place? Probably the best there are now.
          And I think that if you really overlooked (and did not miss by order), then it's more about technology, not a human factor.
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 31 January 2013 17: 23
          0
          Quote: Beck
          The Syrian Supreme Military Command in full command must be resigned.

          Yes, there is no alternative to them !!!
          Or do you think now many people dream of being Assad generals?
    5. atalef
      atalef 31 January 2013 09: 12
      +5
      Quote: domokl
      But for this it is necessary to beat on the ears .. This is a violation of sovereignty and direct aggression ..

      But did the Syrians somehow unequivocally recognize the Bombing at first, but did they interfere with the downing of planes? Probably the same interferes -
      Quote: domokl
      In the place of the Syrian military, I would accidentally flop in that direction ...

      Swing in that direction.
    6. older
      older 31 January 2013 09: 15
      +2
      Quote: domokl
      But for this you have to beat on the ears
      That’s the right question from Yaroy: “Where is Syria’s air defense? If an external enemy attacks a country, even in a civil war, it is destroyed by all means ...”
      1. ultra
        ultra 31 January 2013 10: 36
        +1
        What air defense in Syria, the last century! And Israel is constantly improving aviation!
    7. DEfindER
      DEfindER 31 January 2013 09: 52
      0
      Quote: domokl
      I would accidentally flop in that direction ...

      And I wouldn’t be accidental, but specifically for all military and civilian objects of the Jews, because war is declared, any retaliatory actions are justified by all international rights!
      1. Guun
        Guun 31 January 2013 10: 17
        +1
        As you don’t understand, the Syrian army was worn out in a civil war. They will not be able to confront on two fronts for a long time, well, they will lack strength and resources.
    8. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 31 January 2013 10: 31
      +4
      Quote: domokl
      .In the place of the Syrian military, I would have accidentally flipped in that direction ...

      You can play such a game. The militants hate Assad, but they hate Israel even more. If Israel draws them into a warrior, then in my opinion, the militants will beat Assad and take over Israel.
      1. Akhtuba73
        Akhtuba73 31 January 2013 11: 29
        +1
        Alexander Romanov
        "... - the militants are hammered into Assad ..."

        I deeply doubt that they WILL BE ALLOWED to do this. It is not a secret for anyone who determines the "behavior" of the gangster rabble, try to disobey - you will be left without travel agents, and they are fighting for this. Too easy option for Syria will look like a lure. If the scumbags would be impatient to cut themselves off with Israel, what to expect, he is near and there is no need to wait for a reason for these "gentlemen".
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 31 January 2013 17: 24
          +1
          Quote: Akhtuba73
          I deeply doubt that they will be ALLOWED to do this.

          That's right, their master servant is the USA!
          1. Akhtuba73
            Akhtuba73 1 February 2013 01: 01
            -1
            Quote: Yarbay
            That's right, their master servant is the USA!

            How everything in this world is bizarrely intertwined ... Saudis for their money contain dogs that would gladly break the state of Israel and each Jew separately, BUT !!! the owner of these dogs is the dog himself on a chain in the United States in one pack with Israel ... And although they gnaw at the unfortunate Syria together, they know that the grip of the owner’s hands will slightly weaken, and a bloody swarm between them cannot be avoided.
    9. Beck
      Beck 1 February 2013 10: 08
      +1
      Quote: domokl
      But for this it is necessary to beat on the ears .. This is a violation of sovereignty and direct aggression ... In the place of the Syrian military, I would accidentally flop in that direction ..


      Well, no one is forbidden to fulfill his desire to beat on the ears and flap in that direction. Only if such a thing had happened and the stupid Syria began to fool, then three days later Assad fled somewhere from Damascus in view of the approach of Israeli tanks.
  • Tersky
    Tersky 31 January 2013 08: 26
    +8
    Quote: domokl
    In the place of the Syrian military, I would accidentally flop in that direction ...

    Greetings, Alexander! it is not excluded that the answer will follow, Israel continues to grow "friends", ....
    Earlier, Deputy Prime Minister Sylvan Shalom said that Israel would deliver preventive strikes against targets in Syria if Syrian chemical weapons fall into the hands of Islamists:
    Jews already have evidence that it came to the Islamists? And how did the Islamists find themselves in the research center of the Syrian Defense Ministry? Complete nonsense ...
    1. domokl
      domokl 31 January 2013 08: 29
      +7
      Good morning Victor ... Yes .. So the US Defense Ministry authorized the raids and gave some guarantees to the Jews ... It seems that today there will be a statement by Syria and ours with China on this issue ... They fly off ...
      1. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel 31 January 2013 08: 41
        +4
        It is not for nothing that the Patriot complexes were delivered to Turkey.
      2. older
        older 31 January 2013 09: 19
        +1
        The second day we are talking about incidents that, apart from verified sources, are not commented on by anyone ... The information is still contradictory and not understandable ... We need to wait for the statements of the governments ...
    2. UzRus
      UzRus 31 January 2013 09: 08
      +3
      Do Jews already have evidence that it came to the Islamists? “And why the evidence?” A pretext has appeared - and this is enough. I wonder what the guys with German flag will be writing here right now.
      1. TUMAN
        TUMAN 31 January 2013 12: 10
        +3
        Quote: UzRus
        I wonder what the guys with German flag will be writing here right now.

        Mordor, they finally issued their native flag. lol
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 31 January 2013 09: 16
      10
      Quote: Tersky
      Jews already have evidence that it came to the Islamists? And how did the Islamists find themselves in the research center of the Syrian Defense Ministry? Complete nonsense ...


      The fact is that the fighting Syrian opposition in Syria is very heterogeneous with different goals and objectives, the only thing that unites them so far is the task of overthrowing Assad, especially since they are well paid for this. as soon as Assad "leave" in Syria, a bloody massacre of all against all will begin, as in Libya. As soon as some of the opposition forces began to timidly try to dialogue with the authorities.

      A political sensation was the statement by the head of the National Coalition of Opposition and Revolutionary Forces of Syria / NCORS / about his readiness to enter into dialogue with representatives of the authorities. Sheikh Ahmed Muaz al-Khatib, published a statement on his Facebook page on Wednesday, in which he explained that he was taking such a step "in the name of stopping the bloodshed and saving the lives of hundreds of thousands of civilians."


      Naturally, the Americans should not be allowed to split in the militant camp, which was apparently caused by the obvious successes of Assad's army. Therefore, you need to show that nothing is finished. we are strong we are with you, forward to Assad -Allah Akbar !.
      The airstrike was also agreed in Washington, because the day before the head of military intelligence Aron Kahavi hastily set off there, apparently just for approval and permission.
      The masks have now been torn off to the entire world community, it is clear what kind of "neutrality" Israel adheres to in the "civil war" in Syria
      What are the Israeli "zaslanets" constantly telling us here?
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 31 January 2013 09: 34
        +2
        Quote: Ascetic
        The masks have now been torn off to the entire world community, it is clear what kind of "neutrality" Israel adheres to in the "civil war" in Syria

        Good morning, Stanislav. Actually, this was also evident when wearing masks ...
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 31 January 2013 11: 26
          +4
          Tersky,

          Hello Victor! The point is that there is destabilization. separatism. terrorism and "liberation" wars from the North Caucasus to the Middle East from Chechnya and Dagestan to Libya and Syria, we see the same patrons and ideologues - the United States, Turkey, Saudis and Israel. The same composition of the magnificent four is again observed in Syria.
      2. alexng
        alexng 31 January 2013 09: 48
        +2
        Quote: Ascetic
        What are the Israeli "zaslanets" constantly telling us here?


        Not losers. and the Nazis and their karma shit on every corner.
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 31 January 2013 15: 40
        -1
        In Libya there was no massacre of all against all. Oddly enough, by the way. Do not confuse with Iraq, there really are Shiites against the Sunnis, Kurds in the individual, etc.
    4. atalef
      atalef 31 January 2013 09: 16
      +1
      Quote: Tersky
      And how did the Islamists find themselves in the research center of the Syrian Defense Ministry? Complete nonsense ...

      Just as they still fight in Damascus, Aleppo and capture bases. In the poisons of the SSA, militants from all over the world and the fact that Israel did not allow advanced weapons to fall into their hands from the development center (chemical) will respond with calm in the S. Caucasus. Or do you think from Syria, it will not reach Russia with these scumbags?
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 31 January 2013 09: 56
        12
        Quote: atalef
        that Israel did not allow advanced weapons to fall into their hands from the center of development (chemical) will respond with calm in the S. Caucasus.


        Of course, Israel does this for the sake of peace in the North Caucasus and receives instructions for this not in Washington but in Moscow,
        Well, with regards to the Caucasus, let’s say it’s no secret that Israeli specialists trained and armed Georgian soldiers shortly before the military invasion of South Ossetia. Thus, the Minister of Reintegration of Georgia Teymur Yakobashvili in an interview with a radio station of the Israeli army stated that
        “Israel should be proud of its military, trained Georgian soldiers, as thanks to the lessons of the Israelis, a small handful of our soldiers were able to destroy an entire division of the Russian army. ”


        Increased interest from unofficial circles in Israel is observed in the Circassian issue. With the help of various non-governmental organizations in Israel and beyond, a geopolitical adventure is being promoted called "Great Circassia."Israel itself promotes the idea of ​​separating the Caucasus from Russia. For example, the leader of the Jewish movement “Bead Arceinu” Avrom Shmulevich in his article “Russia and the Caucasus. The only question is the price of blood ”notes that “This process is inevitable, because it is dictated by objective historical and economic laws, the effect of which was manifested in the history of all the colonial countries of the twentieth century". The same Shmulevich actively collaborates with Russian nationalists advocating the separation of the UK from Russia
        Russian political scientist Sergei Kara-Murza asks: “Why should Russia learn from Israel, where terrorism has flourished for the past 50 years?”. After all, even an uninformed layman understands that Israel benefits from radicalization; it skillfully uses it as a tool to carry out its expansion in the Middle East
        with an enviable frequency in the Israeli media there is information about the Jewish project "The Great Khazaria". Some modern Jewish ideologists, using the work of the British writer and journalist of Jewish origin Arthur Koestler's “The Thirteenth Knee”, point to the historical roots of Judaism in southern Russia and, accordingly, to the ethnopolitical claims of Ashkenazi Jews in these territories.
        In April last year, the United States allocated impressive sums to research the origins of the Khazar Kaganate. It is no secret that the Israeli lobby is very strong in the United States. Some journalists noted that almost immediately in April 2011, Russia launched a large-scale campaign "Stop feeding the Caucasus!" On the connections of "Russian nationalists" with the Zionists, I already posted the material yesterday.
        This campaign, first of all, was directed against Dagestan, Ingushetia and Chechnya. Russian nationalists call this three "DICH". It turned out a little later that the Israeli special services will advise the state-owned company “Resorts of the North Caucasus” on security issues. Meanwhile, Israel is a new player in the Caucasus, where the interests of Turkey, Iran and Russia are traditionally represented. Therefore, to conquer spheres of influence, he often acts aggressively, and sometimes without taking into account the specifics of the region.

        What this leads to is known. The arming of the Georgian military and the training of the Georgian special forces have already turned into a tragedy for the South Ossetian people. For the North Caucasus, Israel’s increased interest in the region has already turned into no less tragic consequences.

        Material taken from article The Caucasus "Promised»

        here
        1. Guun
          Guun 31 January 2013 10: 22
          +2
          Quote: Ascetic
          "Israel should be proud of its military, trained Georgian soldiers, because thanks to the lessons of the Israelis, a small handful of our soldiers were able to destroy an entire division of the Russian army."

          What kind of destroyed division of Russian soldiers are we talking about? And even more so by Georgians? Maybe the Jewish army believes that the Georgians won the war in 080808, it seems like they bombed Tbilisi and the whole Georgia by the Western media of the Russian Federation. Someone wrote about a joke
          Gruin the warrior.
          Killed about the Khazar Jews. Soon they will probably say that the Tatars were once Jews.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 31 January 2013 15: 43
            0
            The Khazars had a mixture of different beliefs, and the elite, in part, were Jews. You do not know?
            1. Beck
              Beck 1 February 2013 10: 36
              +1
              Quote: Guun
              Killed about the Khazar Jews.


              Quote: Pimply
              The Khazars had a mixture of different beliefs, and the elite, in part, were Jews. You do not know?


              Somewhere in the year 500, a civil strife occurred in Iran. One of the warring parties lost. In this losing side was the community of Jews. So they fled to Khazaria. The Khazars-Turks who were loyal to both religions and nationalities accepted them. And as always, mixed marriages began. But there was one big difference. The sons of the Jew and the Khazars became, as it were, detached, on both sides, half-breeds. The sons of the Khazars and Jews were considered Jews and raised by the Jewish community. And from the side of the father of the Khazars, Bek or Tarkhan, the son was promoted along the public ladder. Thus, after 2 or 4 generations, the Jewish community seized power in Khazaria. Kagan Khazar remained, but he did not play any role. The Jewish elite, its most famous representative Obadiya, ruled everyone.

              After the Khazaria was defeated by a simultaneous blow, from the north by Prince Oleg, from the south by the Seljuk Turks, those Khazars who were half Khazars or half Jews, somehow, fled to Crimea. They spoke Turkic, but their religion was Jewish. In the Crimea they began to be called Karaites. Karaim - in Hebrew - Readers. Read the scriptures. At the end of the 14th century, Lithuanian Prince Vitovt relocated some of these Karaites to Lithuania, where they still live.
        2. strannik595
          strannik595 31 January 2013 10: 25
          +6
          "Israel should be proud of its military, trained Georgian soldiers, because thanks to the lessons of the Israelis, a small handful of our soldiers were able to destroy an entire division of the Russian army."
          1. strannik595
            strannik595 31 January 2013 10: 31
            +6
            Sulim Yamadayev: "Georgians ran away from us in shorts" .......... S.Ya .: Ahead of us there was a rumor that there were thugs Chechens, one thousand five hundred people. And with us were Ossetians and Georgians (translators), who showed themselves well. The enemy started to panic. He was not at all ready for losses, did not think about them, was intimidated and lost his balance. In Tbilisi they thought that America was behind them, they thought that they were slowing down on the border with Russia. And we took them by surprise. We went inland, at the same time we began to advance in the Kodori Gorge of Abkhazia. In the rear, the Georgian military ran away from us in their underpants. We took good trophies and handed everything over to the command.
            1. in reserve
              in reserve 31 January 2013 13: 33
              +1
              Only here darling is not enough.

              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 31 January 2013 17: 31
                0
                Quote: in stock
                Only here darling is not enough.

                And then where did the darling of this fragrant commander go when he crouched before Kadyrov and betrayed his commander?))))
                With the eyes of a rabbit, he looked at the camera and asked for forgiveness !!
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 31 January 2013 21: 40
                  0
                  [media = http: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = LeWhf8FSxRE


                  I did not find the full video))))))
                  sweet commander)))))
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 31 January 2013 21: 42
                +1




                I did not find the full video))
                fragrant commander))
          2. atalef
            atalef 31 January 2013 13: 54
            +6
            Quote: strannik595
            Israel should be proud of its military, trained Georgian soldiers, because thanks to the lessons of the Israelis, a small handful of our soldiers were able to destroy an entire division of the Russian army

            No, I’d rather continue to be proud of the Syrian air defense forces, trained and armed, I forgot a little by whom.
            All the same, Georgia will somehow be smaller than Russia (the pride in this war is not clear. I wouldn’t even remember it, one fool unleashed, the second didn’t have the state wisdom to throw them out of Abkhazia so that it wouldn’t turn all the people of Georgia into enemies.), but Syria, only 4 times more than Israel.
        3. Pimply
          Pimply 31 January 2013 15: 42
          +1
          It's funny Israelis made up a relatively small part in Georgia, armed and trained the future enemy of Russia (then still quite an ordinary neighbor) Ukraine, Turkey, Bulgaria, the USA, etc. Israel was the only one to stop supply after the war. But the main demon in this story - for some reason, he is again 8)))
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 31 January 2013 17: 34
            +2
            Quote: Pimply
            It's funny Israelis made up a relatively small part in Georgia, armed and trained the future enemy of Russia (then still quite an ordinary neighbor) Ukraine, Turkey, Bulgaria, the USA, etc. Israel was the only one to stop supply after the war. But the main demon in this story - for some reason, he is again 8)))

            Yes funny))))
            Even the drones' codes were handed over to Russia, like the Russian military themselves and politicians everywhere talk about this !!
            All the same, they did not please))))))))
        4. Yarbay
          Yarbay 31 January 2013 17: 28
          +1
          Quote: Ascetic
          In April last year, the United States allocated impressive sums to research the origins of the Khazar Kaganate. It is no secret that the Israeli lobby is very strong in the United States. Some journalists noted that almost immediately in April 2011, Russia launched a large-scale campaign "Stop feeding the Caucasus!" On the connections of "Russian nationalists" with the Zionists, I already posted the material yesterday.

          Last year I heard an interview with Heydar Jamal, where he named one by one the names of the leaders * Russian nationalists *, who actually changed their name and are Jews!
          I don’t know how true it is!
        5. aksakal
          aksakal 31 January 2013 19: 19
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          What this leads to is known. The arming of the Georgian military and the training of the Georgian special forces have already turned into a tragedy for the South Ossetian people. For the North Caucasus, Israel’s increased interest in the region has already turned into no less tragic consequences.

          - welcome, Ascetic! Glad to see you!
          Nice post. I will add - On russia.ru there is an interview with Shevchenko with a "political scientist" these "political scientists", there is no such instrument for strengthening the voice?) Belkovsky. To be honest, I could not watch it to the end, Belkovsky carried nonsense, similar to the one that you criticized in your post.
          Zionists, alas, do not be offended and you can call it "the growth of anti-Semitism" in Russia, but whatever you want to call it, don’t care, but this phenomenon in Russia will only expand and sooner or later will lead to a clash between Israel and Russia, if you don’t stop rejecting any (not only the Caucasus) territories from Russia. And I will say right away - Israel will not seem a little. However, it seems to me that Birobidzhan was allocated to you - if you want, you can settle it, all one is better than the Chinese.
  • rees
    rees 31 January 2013 08: 27
    +6
    Sorry for the Syrians, the "friends of Syria" are entering the home stretch (
    1. older
      older 31 January 2013 09: 21
      +1
      Quote: rees
      Sorry for the Syrians, the "friends of Syria" are entering the home stretch (
      I think pessimism is a bit out of place here ... Syria is fighting and living ... And the bandits, even with the support, are losing more and more respect for the Garoda ...
  • Kuzkin Batyan
    Kuzkin Batyan 31 January 2013 08: 29
    +2
    I wonder what will happen next, the Syrians will not say anything or answer? And why didn’t the air defense bring them down?
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 31 January 2013 08: 32
      +1
      Israeli aircraft enter Syrian airspace early Wednesday morning at low altitude on the north side of mount Hermon and were not discovered by radars.

      From the article wink
      1. atalef
        atalef 31 January 2013 09: 18
        0
        Quote: Vanek
        Israeli aircraft entered Syrian airspace early Wednesday morning at a low altitude on the north side of Mount Hermon and were not detected by radar.

        Before that, they were discovered by Igor 67 from the window of his apartment. laughing
        1. Vladimir_61
          Vladimir_61 31 January 2013 10: 21
          0
          Quote: atalef
          Before that, they were discovered by Igor 67 from the window of his apartment.

          Write about the case. It is desirable. When there is nothing to say in defense of your fellow tribesmen, to be a mockingbird is humiliating for yourself. Think about why.
          1. atalef
            atalef 31 January 2013 11: 46
            +2
            Quote: Vladimir_61
            Write about the case. It is desirable. When there is nothing to say in defense of your fellow tribesmen, to be a mockingbird is humiliating for yourself. Think about why.

            This is the case, Igoryanich called me and said that the planes are crossing the border.
            In defense say? The targets were destroyed, all planes returned to the base without any losses. Whom to protect then?
            1. Vladimir_61
              Vladimir_61 31 January 2013 12: 13
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              Whom to protect then?

              You perfectly understood what you had in mind. This applies not only to this comment.
        2. igor67
          igor67 31 January 2013 12: 56
          +5
          atalef,
          And for what are you minus? After all, yesterday I wrote that really planes fly and fly today, but not so intensively,
      2. older
        older 31 January 2013 09: 22
        +1
        Quote: Vanek
        Israeli aircraft entered Syrian airspace early Wednesday morning at a low altitude on the north side of Mount Hermon and were not detected by radar.
        Syrian air defense is very bad with detection systems ...
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 31 January 2013 11: 47
          +3
          Quote: older
          Syrian air defense is very bad with detection systems ...


          In Syria, about 80% of air defense systems are represented by obsolete samples - Angara, Vega, Dvina, Volga. Modern Carapace, Beech and Wasp in small quantities and all medium range. They are talking about the S-300 air defense system of early modifications that allegedly came through China and Belarus, but there is no confirmed data on this issue. Well, just the same, an almost awful state is observed with means of radar reconnaissance, which are easily suppressed by Israeli electronic warfare systems. In service are the locators P-12, P-14, P-15, P-30, P-35, P-80, and radio altimeters PRV-13, PRV-16, the development ideology of which dates back to the second half of the last century. This technique 30–40 years ago in the Arab-Israeli wars could still somehow resist the then air enemy, using the available modes of detuning from various types of interference, changing operating frequencies, etc. Today, these samples, firstly, they developed a technical resource; secondly, they hopelessly lagged behind the potential adversary’s ability to deliver “electronic strikes”. In the best case, an air defense group can use these radars in peacetime while on combat duty in order to detect intruders, to open the start of an attack with air attack (IOS), air traffic control, etc. Actually, you have to make sure again both now and in the event of an Israeli air strike on the Syrian reactor several years ago.
          It is clear that the Syrian (read, still Soviet) RTV means are not able to effectively counteract modern air attack weapons
          On the one hand, air defense groups have a large number of samples of a wide variety of anti-aircraft weapons and military equipment
          On the other hand, having only 12-15% of modern weapons in its composition, it is difficult for the air defense system to count on success in counteracting a strong, highly organized, equipped with the most modern weapons, weapon control and guidance systems (primarily high-precision) air enemy
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 31 January 2013 08: 33
      +2
      Quote: Kuzkin Batyan
      And why didn’t the air defense bring them down?

      Failed.
    3. Eraser
      Eraser 31 January 2013 10: 30
      -5
      There is such a joke, "Air defense is like a girl's pubic hair - it covers, but does not protect." laughing
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 31 January 2013 10: 45
        +6
        Quote: Eraser
        There is such a joke


        Even talking to you ...... you know ....... somehow disgusting or something.
        1. Eraser
          Eraser 31 January 2013 13: 09
          -1
          With you, after your "gbljhfc" is also disgusting. tongue
  • Kuzkin Batyan
    Kuzkin Batyan 31 January 2013 08: 33
    +6
    Not very good news as an advertisement for our air defense delivered by Syria, missed or didn’t notice?
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 31 January 2013 08: 39
      +6
      Quote: Kuzkin Batyan
      Not very good news as an advertisement for our air defense delivered by Syria, missed or didn’t notice?

      To be a sniper you need to not only have a sniper rifle, but also have a bunch of skills and be able to shoot elementary, and air defense is a complex mechanism.
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 31 January 2013 08: 41
        +2
        In vain the natives put a minus. Correctly says - bad advertising. And it is a fact! But about:

        Quote: Kuzkin Batyan
        missed or didn't notice?


        That's right too. More questions than answers. As they say.
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 31 January 2013 08: 49
      +5
      Perhaps the calculations were not ready. Moreover, it is possible that electronic warfare equipment was used, and the flight time is small for air defense response.

      I wonder if there is an F-16 in Syria? Otherwise, they would have drawn the stars of David, and even shied somewhere in Israel along the "suspicious column" am
      1. UzRus
        UzRus 31 January 2013 09: 09
        0
        They do not have an F-16.
      2. atalef
        atalef 31 January 2013 09: 20
        -1
        Quote: Black Colonel
        Perhaps the calculations were not ready. Moreover, it is possible that electronic warfare equipment was used, and the flight time is small for air defense response.

        And there was no advance warning of the Israeli Air Force about the raid indicating the exact place and time
        Quote: Black Colonel
        I wonder if there is an F-16 in Syria? Otherwise, they would have drawn the stars of David, and even shied somewhere in Israel along the "suspicious column"

        laughing
      3. Ascetic
        Ascetic 31 January 2013 12: 24
        +3
        Quote: Black Colonel
        Perhaps the calculations were not ready. Moreover, it is possible that electronic warfare equipment was used, and the flight time is small for air defense response.


        First, in Syria, large areas are not controlled by means of radar reconnaissance.
        They don’t have a continuous radar field, only fragmentary. There are also features of the relief that have an impact, I am not a strong specialist in this matter, when I had a lecture on the Israeli-Syrian war in 1982 at the academy. and there this question was considered.
        Secondly low noise immunity of the RTV group
        ... I have already noted above which locators they have in service and which "bearded" years. All of them are well known to the enemy in Vietnam, and in particular, they also worked in the Arab-Israeli wars. They are capable of ensuring the performance of combat missions in conditions of low-intensity "noise" (up to 5-10 W / MHz) and only in certain directions; they can fragmentarily operate in medium-intensity "noise" (30-40 W / MHz). In 2003, in Iraq, which possesses the same Soviet radars and air defense systems S-75 and S-125, the US troops already then created interference densities two orders of magnitude higher - up to 2-3 kW / MHz in the barrage - and mode and up to 30-75 kW / MHz - in the sighting. At the same time, Iraqi 75s and 125s were suppressed at 10-25 W / MHz.
        Well, the level of automation of the control of the radar reconnaissance units does not allow them to function in the EIP since there is no single automated center for collecting and processing information. The collection and processing of information in a non-automated way, as usual, leads to large inaccuracies, delays in the transmission of data on air targets up to 4-10 minutes.. During this time, given the small distances, the enemy will be able to complete the combat mission and retreat until it is discovered and identified manually.
        Well, the creation of a "no-fly" zone with the help of the Patriots is intended to practically exclude the combat activity of the second component of air defense - aviation.
      4. knn54
        knn54 31 January 2013 14: 41
        0
        Or maybe someone leaked the radar recognition system ("Friend or Foe")?
      5. Pimply
        Pimply 31 January 2013 15: 47
        -1
        There are no F-16s in Syria, tea, not Venezuela
  • Alex-z84
    Alex-z84 31 January 2013 08: 35
    +1
    Now, as it’s not sad to realize, everyone knows that the Syrian air defense is incapable, the only one can be assumed that there was an order not to shoot down the planes.
    1. mamba
      mamba 31 January 2013 08: 56
      0
      UN peacekeepers deployed in southern Lebanon drew attention to the increased activity of the Israeli Air Force. "UN forces have recorded many incidents of incursions into the country's airspace.
      Did the Syrian "integrated" air defense prefer not to notice this activity? And Assad did not know about this, so he did not threaten the Jews that he would shoot down their planes?
      Quote: Alex-z84
      Now, as it’s not sad to realize, everyone knows that the Syrian air defense is incapable, the only one can be assumed that there was an order not to shoot down the planes.

      The expediency of such an order is highly doubtful. A precedent has been created, now we can expect a massive attack on Syrian air defense, command posts, and then a large-scale invasion.
      1. atalef
        atalef 31 January 2013 09: 22
        0
        Quote: mamba
        And Assad did not know about it, so he did not threaten the Jews that he would bring down their planes?

        Air defense not to threaten, air defense to bring down. Do you think that if Assad could, he would not have shot down.? Such a propaganda trump card in his hands, an Israeli plane shot down over Syrian territory. So she just couldn’t laughing
        A precedent has been created, now we can expect a massive attack on Syrian air defense

        And what to attack them if there’s no use in them?,
      2. Alex-z84
        Alex-z84 31 January 2013 09: 24
        +1
        The expediency of such an order is highly doubtful. A precedent has been created, now we can expect a massive attack on Syrian air defense, command posts, and then a large-scale invasion.,
        Well, like provocation, do not succumb. Most likely it was a one-time intimidation operation, there is no talk of war yet.
      3. DEfindER
        DEfindER 31 January 2013 10: 08
        0
        Quote: mamba
        A precedent has been created, now we can expect a massive attack on Syrian air defense, command posts, and then a large-scale invasion.

        It’s clear that it’s exactly what will happen, it’s a template, and Syria would have very little time to destroy Israeli airfields and command posts, even with heavy losses in the Air Force, if this is not done, these Air Force will fall as in Libya at the airfields ..
        1. atalef
          atalef 31 January 2013 12: 49
          +3
          Quote: DEfindER
          Syria has very little time to destroy Israeli airfields and command posts, even with heavy losses in the Air Force, if this is not done

          Do you think the Syrian Air Force is able to do this?
    2. Zifix
      Zifix 31 January 2013 08: 56
      0
      During the USSR, the Israeli Air Force also had an advantage over the Syrian air defense.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 31 January 2013 15: 48
        0
        Not always. In 1973, for example, there were significant losses. Fracture was outlined only in 1982
    3. Evgeny_Lev
      Evgeny_Lev 31 January 2013 10: 05
      0
      I repeat here.
      But do not your friends think that this is a subtle allusion to Israel's weaknesses in the air defense zones?
      Well, they showed Generals Asadovsky where to strengthen. They can’t say it directly, but with such a gesture they saved their face and passed on the info.
      Agree, because after such a breakthrough in defense, Assad should be strengthened where he sees air defense. And the goal that Israel bombed is IMHO insignificant for revealing cards. Such an opportunity would have to be used for bombing the General Staff or Assad’s palace, and here is some kind of research institute that doesn’t even have warehouses.
      1. mamba
        mamba 31 January 2013 11: 26
        0
        Quote: Evgeny_Lev
        But do not your friends think that this is a subtle allusion to Israel's weaknesses in the air defense zones?

        It is unlikely that Jews can be suspected of any sympathy for the Syrians. And it doesn’t look like a cunning Jewish game either.
        Quote: Evgeny_Lev
        Well, they showed Generals Asadovsky where to strengthen. They can’t say it directly, but with such a gesture they saved their face and passed on the info.

        It is not clear why Israel needs this.
        Quote: Evgeny_Lev
        And the goal that Israel bombed is IMHO insignificant for revealing cards.

        Just the opposite. If the Israeli intelligence was really sure that the chemical weapons of Syria were about to fall into the hands of the radical Islamic opposition, then the Jews would lay their bones, but they would certainly interfere even if they had to reveal some of their cards.
        Quote: Evgeny_Lev
        Such an opportunity would have to be used for bombing the General Staff or Assad’s palace, and here is some kind of research institute that doesn’t even have warehouses.

        Yes, it seems that it was there that part of Syria’s chemical weapons was stored.
      2. atalef
        atalef 31 January 2013 12: 51
        +2
        Quote: Evgeny_Lev
        But do not your friends think that this is a subtle allusion to Israel's weaknesses in the air defense zones?

        No, most likely, this is a thick hint that Syrian air defense is not worth anything.
    4. Egoza
      Egoza 31 January 2013 11: 01
      +1
      Quote: Alex-z84
      можно предположить С З С‚Рѕ Р ± С‹ Р »РїСЂРёРєР ° Р · СЃР ° РјРѕР» РµС‚С ‹РЅРµ СЃР ± РёРІР ° ть.

      It may well be that they did not count on the bombing, because they could fly over and ... do nothing. Therefore, they gave the order "not to respond to the provocation." But about the air defense - well, our specialists will have to go and show "how this thing" works. Read more, comrades will have to go on the go.
  • Trailer
    Trailer 31 January 2013 08: 37
    +7
    Hard work sorry ... tutki. Especially if the owner is far away, and you live among your unfriendly pimps. I have to turn around, show that you are not useless, even to the detriment of yourself and others. The hint, I think, is clear. And about this event - mind you, this was done just after the end of our teachings. Morality - our constant presence there is necessary. Well, the normal supply of arms to the Syrian legitimate government.
  • demon ada
    demon ada 31 January 2013 08: 37
    +4
    Jews counted everything
    hit in a most unexpected place, from where they did not wait.
    they calculate and analyze everything.
    but there was a fact of violation of sovereignty
    all efforts to disclose this fact with all that it implies.
    1. Kuzkin Batyan
      Kuzkin Batyan 31 January 2013 08: 42
      +1
      The same thing already seemed to be with the union, they also somehow appeared in an unexpected place. How could after this not to think over all possible unexpected places where their planes could pass unnoticed?
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 31 January 2013 15: 50
      0
      Do you know that there is a war between Israel and Syria de jure? The peace treaty was not signed.
  • Markel
    Markel 31 January 2013 08: 41
    +2
    Jews in my opinion did not learn any lessons from the second world war. I must think again, only so that they cease to exist as a nation and as a state! Give their land to the Kurds and let them wander for so many years ...
    1. Beck
      Beck 2 February 2013 14: 01
      +6
      Quote: Markel
      Jews in my opinion did not learn any lessons from the second world war. I must think again, only so that they cease to exist as a nation and as a state! Give their land to the Kurds and let them wander for so many years ..


      YESAA. It is necessary to say this. It was as if our fathers and grandfathers had not fought against the brown plague of fascism, as if they had not liberated the concentration camps and could not look without a lump in their throats at the dead, exhausted, suffering people. And most importantly, what their descendant says.

      Our ancestors died, fighting so that no one in the future could repeat the words of the FASCIS that all Slavs, all Asians, all Jews should be destroyed.

      YESAA.

      Just the Jews learned a lesson from 2MB. They will no longer allow anyone to kill Jews as a people with impunity.

      But you, MARKEL, have not learned any lessons from history. Worse, worse nowhere, judging by your statement, you became a FASCIST. You dishonored the HOLY MEMORY of our Fathers and Grandfathers who laid down their lives in the fight against hateful theories.

      Natsik, you are Markel. And how can you build Eurases with people like you? After all, tomorrow you will not easily give the right to life to other nations.

      And admins are silent. For the third day they have been holding comments on the call for the destruction of people. And they don’t give Markel a warning. My one koment against the same Markel was immediately removed and issued a warning to me. Well, well, we'll see this time.
      1. Strategy
        Strategy 2 February 2013 21: 33
        0
        Yes Yes! And about the Holocaust at school now, but about 27 million Soviet citizens (how many Slavs there are!) For some reason, silence. By the way, yours fought not only in the Red Army, but also as part of the Wehrmacht (something like 150 thousand).
  • NSG42
    NSG42 31 January 2013 08: 41
    -8
    It was a test of Syrian air defense and how Russia will react to this attack. And for what ........ do we need our squadron there? If this all happened, and ours also did not notice them, then we can assume that our people were torn to pieces, simply destroyed. Here it is SHOW! SHAME! it will be exactly the same as with the other republics, which were destroyed and in the same way with Russia.
    1. Kuzkin Batyan
      Kuzkin Batyan 31 January 2013 08: 47
      +2
      I agree. We will wait for further news. As our military will explain, it’s shameful news. The only way out of this situation for us and Syria is a harsh response from Syria to Israel.
      1. atalef
        atalef 31 January 2013 09: 26
        +4
        Quote: Kuzkin Batyan
        The only way out of this situation for us and Syria is a harsh response from Syria to Israel.

        There will be no answer, I bet who is ready?
        1. ultra
          ultra 31 January 2013 10: 46
          0
          What is there to argue! There will be no fact!
    2. Zifix
      Zifix 31 January 2013 08: 54
      +6
      Do you think our squadron should have shot down an Israeli air force plane? But nothing, what does this mean the beginning of the war? They didn’t bomb our ships, why on earth should we shoot them down?
      1. Kuzkin Batyan
        Kuzkin Batyan 31 January 2013 09: 09
        +2
        Ours could not shoot down, of course, but when they noticed this, they could have warned the Syrians so that they would prepare for their arrival.
    3. atalef
      atalef 31 January 2013 09: 26
      0
      Quote: NSG42
      It was a test of Syrian air defense and how Russia will react to this attack.

      Score is bad.
      Russia will probably understand that it’s impossible to get attendants for air defense systems.
      1. Perch_xnumx
        Perch_xnumx 31 January 2013 12: 12
        +1
        Score is bad.
        Russia will probably understand that it’s impossible to get attendants for air defense systems.
        What Syria has is a drop in the ocean, it’s not even a gram of oil spread over a sandwich.
        Therefore, your assessment is not good.
        If analogs of oki or iskander-e start to pour in to you, then you can assess your "iron ass" (that is, an iron dome).
        1. atalef
          atalef 31 January 2013 12: 54
          +3
          Quote: Perch_1
          If analogs of oki or iskander-e start to pour in to you, then you can assess your "iron ass" (that is, an iron dome)

          That's when they begin to crumble, then we'll talk, but for now, let's talk more about Syria’s air defense.
    4. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 31 January 2013 09: 37
      0
      Quote: NSG42
      it was a check of Syrian air defense and how Russia will react to this attack. And for what ........ do we need our squadron there? If this all happened, and ours also did not notice them, then we can assume that our people were torn to pieces, simply destroyed. Here it is SHOW! A SHAME! it will be exactly the same as with the other republics, which were destroyed and in the same way with Russia.


      ROOT I DO NOT AGREE !!!
  • rpek32
    rpek32 31 January 2013 08: 44
    +1
    Search and bomb what wasn’t? Familiar situation.
  • konnd
    konnd 31 January 2013 08: 45
    0
    MMMda ... it seems to have begun. No matter how it was expected, it’s still shitty (((.
    1. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 31 January 2013 09: 38
      0
      Quote: konnd
      MMMda ... it seems to have begun.


      - Although, I posted it. But still, it's too early to panic!
  • Sars
    Sars 31 January 2013 08: 45
    0
    If the Syrians do not answer, the Saudis with the Turks will think that they can do the same.
    1. Zifix
      Zifix 31 January 2013 08: 55
      +1
      The whole calculation of what will be answered. Have you heard that trolls do not need to be fed?
  • Nick
    Nick 31 January 2013 08: 52
    +3
    Rubicon passed !, the act of violation of sovereignty and military attack on Syria by a foreign state, an ally of the United States, is complete! what What's next?
    1. atalef
      atalef 31 January 2013 09: 28
      +1
      Quote: Nick
      What's next?

      Believe me, nothing will change, the Syrians perfectly understand why they bombed the column and the center. Maybe they will say thanks again.
      1. Sashatula
        Sashatula 31 January 2013 14: 10
        0
        Believe me, nothing will change, the Syrians perfectly understand why they bombed the column and the center. Maybe they will say thanks again.


        Can I talk about this in more detail?
        1. atalef
          atalef 31 January 2013 14: 17
          +1
          Quote: SashaTula
          Can I talk about this in more detail?

          If it was a convoy with chemical weapons or components captured by the SSA, do you think the Syrians will say thank you or not?
          1. Sashatula
            Sashatula 31 January 2013 14: 29
            0
            That is, the version - the rebels were bombed?
    2. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 31 January 2013 09: 39
      0
      Quote: Nick
      What's next?


      And then there will be a war ...
      1. Guun
        Guun 31 January 2013 10: 30
        0
        How do you see Syria, which is waging a war on two fronts with rebels and Jews? Plus, Assad’s troops have been weakened, the war has been going on for 2 years now. It's like in boxing, fighting from one minute so 10-15 plus even more fresh and a strong opponent is climbing against you. The result will be obvious, Syria alone will not do well. And who will support it?
  • Igarr
    Igarr 31 January 2013 08: 57
    +3
    From the note it follows that this motorcade, or even one truck in general, was monitored.
    Do not go to the grandmother - from drones.
    So, already - an act of aggression.
    And try Syria to respond appropriately.
    Yes.....
    But, although ... the Syrians valnul same Turkish wandering fighter. And nothing, all wiped out.
    Maybe Assad really needs to be hammered. What to lose?
    1. Guun
      Guun 31 January 2013 10: 32
      +2
      Because the Turks passed because militarily they were far from the Israeli Armed Forces. It would have been possible to answer if it had not been for this civil war, and so the forces would be very unequal. The exhausted army of Syria and the fresh army of Israel.
  • Veter
    Veter 31 January 2013 08: 57
    0
    Israeli planes entered Syrian airspace early Wednesday morning at low altitude on the north side of Mount Hermon and were not detected by radars.
    what
    Sad ...
  • bap063
    bap063 31 January 2013 09: 00
    +3
    What to do? The USA and Israel are completely impudent from without punishment, the UN is a puppet in their hands, Russia is still rising, China remains which can stop all this, but it’s clear that the time has not come yet, now all the remaining gold reserves of the whole world will be picked up? and they’ll probably put things in order in the world, everything goes to this. The Chinese are quietly glancing towards their goal! Germans have already requested their gold from the vaults of France and the United States? And other countries will follow Germany is a fact!
  • goody
    goody 31 January 2013 09: 01
    +3
    There will be no war, but there will be such a battle for peace ... there will be no stone unturned
    1. dualnik
      dualnik 31 January 2013 09: 34
      0
      That's for sure ... If only not for the struggle for world peace No.
    2. ultra
      ultra 31 January 2013 10: 50
      0
      Such a struggle for "peace and democracy" is already under way !!
  • UzRus
    UzRus 31 January 2013 09: 02
    +6
    Until that moment, I, in principle, had a good attitude towards Israel ... Although, the hosts will say from across the ocean - these will do it. One word - sorry here!
    1. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 31 January 2013 09: 41
      +2
      Quote: UzRus
      Until that moment, I, in principle, had a good attitude towards Israel ... Although, the hosts will say from across the ocean - these will do it. One word - sorry here!


      To my regret, I would now turn on the "Hitler" regime against prostitutes.
      Sin to me for such a statement. But the fact remains a fact!
  • wolf1945
    wolf1945 31 January 2013 09: 10
    +3
    If you do not stop the aggression against Syria now, it will be the same with Libya! soldier

    we must stop the aggression against Syria, otherwise it will be the same with Libya! soldier
  • click80
    click80 31 January 2013 09: 13
    0
    We are waiting for the reaction of Russia. The galleries of the Syrians relaxed. they must be in constant combat readiness. Or they didn’t specifically answer so as not to give out the location of the air defense. As always, a bunch of unanswered questions.
    1. atalef
      atalef 31 January 2013 14: 36
      +1
      Quote: click80
      Or they didn’t specifically answer so as not to give out the location of the air defense. As always, a bunch of unanswered questions.

      Quite a well-known Arab tactic, do not respond, so as not to give out the location (and ..... do not accidentally rake the ... field) By the way, this applies to any kind of troops, and not just air defense.
      To whom the damn weapon you deliver. You bring them with s-500, they will pocher all the same, and then they will blame you. Like the valiant warriors of Islam, they could not win, because the weapons are rubbish.
      This will be an excuse not to return loans, after which someone will end up with neither one but two devices .... in the mouth (as Natasha said)
  • Averias
    Averias 31 January 2013 09: 13
    +8
    So, it means that they decided in the US State Department, they were afraid to climb openly into Syria, Russia and China are against it - you can’t argue, they found an alternative. So with regard to the issue with Palestine (recent conflict), where the US has openly sent Israel, they say your problems, you figure it out. And then look, gentlemen, Jews, and you yourself don’t like it, the State Department has all of you respiratory and respiratory, and you are glad to see Vaseline thoroughly stocked. Where is your vaunted pride? Then take off your flag, hang an American and declare yourself one of the states of the USA. In my opinion it will be more honest and understandable. And no more need to tell tales about independence and national pride.

    PS Nothing personal, just a statement of facts. I would have looked at you, about 2 years ago, how would you dare to poke your nose into Syria. And then "heroes", this is called a hit of the lying. And only cowards and weaklings do this. And again, another fairy tale about chemical weapons, if only they came up with a more convincing legend. Instead of "drawing all sorts of lines", it is better to anoint your forehead with brilliant green. So many problems will disappear by themselves.
    1. TUMAN
      TUMAN 31 January 2013 12: 20
      +3
      Quote: Averias
      PS Nothing personal, just a statement of facts. I would have looked at you, about 2 years ago, how would you dare to poke your nose into Syria. And then "heroes", this is called a hit of the lying. And only cowards and weaklings do this. And again, another fairy tale about chemical weapons, if only they came up with a more convincing legend. Instead of "drawing all sorts of lines", it is better to anoint your forehead with brilliant green. So many problems will disappear by themselves.

      They have this rule, beat the recumbent, take it from the poor, offend the little one, etc.
      http://asher.ru/library/religen/jews
  • alma
    alma 31 January 2013 09: 13
    +1
    It was worth the Russian Ships to finish the teachings in the Mediterranean, so immediately the Jews and flopped
    Question - why do I have the flag of Iceland?
    1. d1m1drol
      d1m1drol 31 January 2013 11: 03
      0
      Probably because you're an Icelander)) Joke .. bug is an ordinary bug ..
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 31 January 2013 12: 43
      +2
      alma,

      Because Icelanders are the only ones in Europe who were able to say NO to bankers, interest-holders from the Fed and the Bank of Europe, coupled with their IMF tool, and nationalized their Central Bank.

      The International Monetary Fund immediately froze lending, and the UK declared Iceland a "nation of terrorists." “We are on the same list as Hamas,” journalist Christine Hrafnsson grins. The country was subjected to an information embargo. It was simply erased from the map. Died so dead. No one dared to write about a tiny power that defied the international banking mafia. Icelanders fought alone. In order not to set a “bad” example to the peoples of southern Europe, who could also refuse to pay speculators, Iceland should forever disappear from world news

      here

      So be proud - you broke through the information blockade of Iceland on this site fellow
  • Garik
    Garik 31 January 2013 09: 13
    +2
    Planned campaign, can no longer wait. This expectation costs them too much. Especially in advance such a duck was thrown into the media about the killing of more than 100 people in Apello, it is clear that this is being pumped for a reason. I think this is the beginning of the end. And as always, Israel, like a yard dog, barks behind and tries to bite, and as you scare it, it runs away with its tail tied to the owner's leg. SHAME!
    How will China and Russia behave? But GDP is not where to retreat, the international image is threatened.
  • djon3volta
    djon3volta 31 January 2013 09: 14
    +7
    I bet if Russia deals a nuclear attack on Israel, then not a single country, not even the United States, will answer us. Yes, there will be answers, but only sanctions and cries of the world community, nothing else will follow, and you all here are aware of this. And you understand the most important thing is that no one will rock the war on Russia. you can minus it, but I'm right.
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 31 January 2013 09: 19
      0
      I think that everyone here will agree with you.
    2. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 31 January 2013 09: 45
      +1
      djon3volta
      Quote: djon3volta
      I bet if Russia deals a nuclear strike on Israel

      I read, at the moment, all the comments ...

      Your comment is the most ... fool you in the head Eat?
      This is not an insult - it is a diagnosis. Yes, and learn Russian, disgusting to read.
      Although it’s probably cool if you speak the way you think and write laughing
      1. ultra
        ultra 31 January 2013 10: 53
        0
        I agree one hundred% !!!!!!!
  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 31 January 2013 09: 17
    +7
    Yes, there will be nothing further. Syria without full Russian fate awaits the fate of Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan. But Putin will not do anything, he will find a left-handed excuse and will cover the Russian fatherland with yet another shame, for he will not have enough spirit and will against his lactating hand. Not the king has gone now, not the one. But Syria, like other countries destroyed by amers, is a pity. With every looted and destroyed country, anger in the world is growing, it’s just that the amers and henchmen will not do, I think so. The wisest decision for the conscious mass of the Russian people will be to conclude that with such a policy that is now in the country (robbery, devastation, corruption, practical
    and complete collapse of the Armed Forces) Russia will be on the line, and, as always, there will be very, very many countries who want to profit at the expense of the Russians, who, again, as always, will be left alone against the whole world.
    In general, good little brothers, with this Syria.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 31 January 2013 10: 17
      +2
      Quote: Mareman Vasilich
      Without the full protection of Russia, Syria awaits the fate of Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan. But Putin will not do anything, he will find a left excuse and will cover the Russian fatherland with yet another shame, for he will not have enough spirit and will against his lactating hand. Not the king has gone now, not the one.

      It is unpleasant and bitter to me, just like you, but I also understand that we are not ready to fight fully now, all the more so far from our territory, not so-so.
      1. vsa-xnumx
        vsa-xnumx 31 January 2013 17: 16
        0
        we are not ready to fully fight now


        And why fight, defuse one nuclear submarine in Israel and all! And not a single dog will yap. Do you think the Rackefellers, Morgans, and other crap Israel need? No, they would save their lives and grandmas.
  • andrey777
    andrey777 31 January 2013 09: 17
    0
    And where is the reaction of Russia?
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 31 January 2013 09: 20
      0
      Quote: andrey777
      And where is the reaction of Russia?


      Still time am
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 31 January 2013 12: 47
      +3
      Quote: andrey777
      And where is the reaction of Russia?


      Moscow is checking reports of an Israeli Air Force strike on Syria - if the information is confirmed, this is a gross violation of the UN Charter, the Russian Foreign Ministry says "Moscow has received with deep concern reports of an Israeli Air Force raid on targets in Syria near Damascus. If this information is confirmed, then we have dealing with unprovoked strikes on targets on the territory of a sovereign state, which grossly violates the UN Charter and is unacceptable, whatever the motives may be. We are taking urgent measures to clarify this situation in all its details, "the ministry's website says.

      My webpage
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 31 January 2013 21: 40
        +1
        Quote: Ascetic
        Moscow checks reports of air strike

        - Well, finally, infa from the Russian Foreign Ministry. Unfortunately, it shows that Russian intelligence in Syria - and it cannot but be there - completely screwed up and is not even aware of the bombing. And now the Russian intelligence officers there are convulsively collecting information, and ideally they should even predict this event. Though without exact dates, but when collecting into a single picture a mosaic of incoming information, information from technical means and other channels of information, such a picture should already have emerged. The local GRU or SVR resident is incompetent, drank vodka, ate sweetly, molested the Viriam, but didn’t do business - this is for sure!
  • maestro123
    maestro123 31 January 2013 09: 17
    0
    Israeli Air Force strikes Damascus suburb ...
    Here
  • Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 31 January 2013 09: 20
    +3
    After THIS, you can shoot down ALL Israeli aircraft, "dangerously close to the borders of Syria." am am am
  • Son
    Son 31 January 2013 09: 22
    +2
    I do not consider myself a fool ... But I can’t imagine what Assad would do on the spot ... Moreover, the decision must be made quickly.
  • tlauicol
    tlauicol 31 January 2013 09: 23
    +3
    our statements, our squadron, as if were not there. we helped Syria, you will not say anything. Israel is not afraid of nifiga, especially the United States. We lost our allies, feed them with promises alone. The remnants of friends in the CIS look at all this and shake it off - they understand - we will not protect them either. All this is sad. We are also called a power! Wimps! No one counts with us.
    What I see, I write. All world events only confirm our weakness - it's a shame!
    Now they will trample on Syria and the last base will be taken away from us along with the Bastions - and we only in the Security Council will say "ayayay"
    1. atalef
      atalef 31 January 2013 09: 36
      +4
      Quote: Tlauicol
      Our statements, our squadron as if were not there. we helped Syria, you will not say anything. Israel is not afraid of nifiga, especially the United States

      By the way, the question of backfill, the activity of the Israeli Air Force increased in the last week, I personally saw the installation of J. Kupolov. I think - this was not a secret for anyone (especially for intelligence). Why did the Russian squadron abruptly complete its exercises and leave the Mediterranean region, then Medvedev’s interesting statement in Davos.
      Who will analyze?
      1. UzRus
        UzRus 31 January 2013 10: 49
        0
        And what to analyze? Medvedev - idiot, everything else - is incomprehensible and can not be analyzed.
        1. atalef
          atalef 31 January 2013 11: 51
          +1
          Quote: UzRus
          And what to analyze? Medvedev - idiot, everything else - is incomprehensible and can not be analyzed.

          That he was coming ... from, or that he does not solve anything?
          1. UzRus
            UzRus 31 January 2013 13: 47
            0
            Both.
      2. ultra
        ultra 31 January 2013 10: 56
        0
        Medvedev is a big eccentric letter M !!!!
        1. atalef
          atalef 31 January 2013 11: 51
          0
          Quote: ultra
          Medvedev is a big eccentric letter M !!!!

          Again Medvedev, and who is the main one?
          1. UzRus
            UzRus 31 January 2013 13: 48
            0
            Again Medvedev, and who is the main one? - That's just the point that the Chief was silent, and this one blundered.
  • Sterkh
    Sterkh 31 January 2013 09: 26
    0
    Russia has a difficult situation. On the one hand, they hammer our ally, on the other - the most powerful lobby of Israel in Russia. The difficult, very difficult situation is with us. But I believe that our country will not allow escalation and will make every effort to prevent an invasion of Syria. And as for the military response to Israel, most likely from the SAR it will not be directly, most likely through Hamas and Hezbollah.
    1. atalef
      atalef 31 January 2013 09: 33
      0
      Quote: Sterkh
      And as for the military response to Israel, most likely from the SAR it will not be directly, most likely through Hamas and Hezbollah.

      There will be nothing, especially through Hamas (which itself is against Assad) or Hezbollah (which Israel will definitely reset to zero this time).
      1. UzRus
        UzRus 31 January 2013 10: 51
        +3
        Hezbollah (which Israel will surely reset to zero this time). - Cho for a long time, you can’t zero, you can’t reset it in any way.
        1. atalef
          atalef 31 January 2013 11: 53
          +1
          Quote: UzRus
          Hezbollah (which Israel will surely reset to zero this time). - Cho for a long time, you can’t zero, you can’t reset it in any way.

          Ask Nasrallah, who, after winning the war, for some reason the 6 year will not come out of the bunker. laughing
          1. UzRus
            UzRus 31 January 2013 13: 50
            0
            Why would he climb out? There is someone to get out and launch Kassams. tongue
      2. Perch_xnumx
        Perch_xnumx 31 January 2013 12: 17
        +1
        There will be nothing, especially through Hamas (which itself is against Assad) or Hezbollah (which Israel will definitely reset to zero this time).
        When you find yourself on an arc of chaos, then you will count zeros. Mubarak will seem your best friend.
  • atk44849
    atk44849 31 January 2013 09: 29
    0
    this is war! if the reaction of Russia does not follow.
  • atalef
    atalef 31 January 2013 09: 32
    +2
    Quote: atk44849
    this is war! if the reaction of Russia does not follow.

    There will be no war. By the way Russia write with a capital letter hi
  • evgenii67
    evgenii67 31 January 2013 09: 34
    +1
    The homeland of Jesus, somehow not Christianly behaves. No matter how all these comrades (USA and KO) will not finish badly, if the East "flares up" it will be hot for everyone, even for "friends" who are far beyond the Atlantic Ocean. When will the minke whales calm down ??? request
  • Natalia
    Natalia 31 January 2013 09: 35
    +6
    If Russia now says: option 1 - "we will defend the sovereignty of Syria by all available means, since bypassing UN sanctions, an unjustified attack was made, which is a gross violation of international norms" - this should be said not even by Lavrov, but by GDP.
    As a result: relations with the West will become even more complicated, Israel will abolish a visa-free regime with the Russian Federation, some sanctions may be imposed on us, and they will accuse us of helping dictatorial regimes, BUT, I am sure they will not risk touching them from now on. angry

    option 2: - already Lavrov says "We condemn the use of force against Syria, we call on everyone to restrain, we are against interference in the internal affairs of Syria" - and that will be all ........ this will be the end, then Syria just get torn apart, and we are back in puddles ........ recourse
    1. atalef
      atalef 31 January 2013 09: 39
      +4
      Natalia,
      To begin with (before Lavrov), there must be at least an official statement by Syria and Syria’s appeal to the UN.
    2. Son
      Son 31 January 2013 09: 40
      +2
      Competently. I think - Option 2. Until the end of the week we will see.
    3. Natalia
      Natalia 31 January 2013 09: 41
      +3
      In addition, with the above, in the case of option 2, I will create a dangerous precedent when Russia can only speak but will not take real steps against the United States and its allies.
      For this reason, it is simply contraindicated to include the back. We should not be shy about recognizing Syria as our friend.
      Otherwise ......... so all of our allies will be muttered one by one.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 31 January 2013 09: 50
        +4
        Of all Russia's allies on the planet, the United States will by no means dare to poke its nose at only one, Belarus, because Belarus is Russia's younger sister - we will tear everyone apart for her, as for ourselves. But our other allies, in a more vulnerable situation, and you know why? Because we are embarrassed to tell the whole world "THIS IS OUR FRIEND". That is how Yugoslavia was overwhelmed, well, the truth at that time, Russia still had hemorrhages from the collapse of the USSR, so ... maybe it can be attributed to this.
        But such a policy is harmful. And in this sense America is succeeding, it does not allow touching its allies (vassals), so why should we !!!
        1. Guun
          Guun 31 January 2013 10: 37
          +1
          What do you think about Kazakhstan? What will happen to this country? Also gouging? I'm interested in your opinion, your posts are excellent.
          1. Natalia
            Natalia 31 January 2013 10: 54
            +5
            Thank you winked
            At the expense of Kazakhstan, no, do not gouge. At least as long as the CSTO exists, Russia has already recognized Kazakhstan and a number of countries as its closest allies to the whole world (did not hesitate). And the customs union is only one form of integration ... so it is possible, and I hope so, we will see the union of Russia and Kazakhstan (as it was with Belarus).
            And in general, with regard to the situation near its borders, the Russian Federation made it clear that it is not indifferent as of 08.08.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX)))
            So, Kazakhstan has a good future .... and there are reasons for this 1) now there is a fairly competent leader. 2) CSTO 3) There are no signs of an "orange" tumor or a tumor of the "rose revolution" smile
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 31 January 2013 22: 11
              0
              Quote: Natalia
              So, Kazakhstan has a good future .... and there are reasons for this 1) now there is a fairly competent leader. 2) CSTO 3) There are no signs of an "orange" tumor or a tumor of the "rose revolution"
              - about the last point there are alarming points. On domestic sites, while condemning news on Syria, I am constantly arguing with those who call Assad a bloody dictator. There are many of them, and many of them admit that they are Wahhabis. At the same time, they differ from Syrian fighters in that they speak Russian very competently and pour not only quotes from the Qur'an or Sunnah, but also quotes from world and Russian classics, sometimes they demonstrate good knowledge in the field of technical sciences. In general, a difficult Soviet legacy. At the same time, a good education does not prevent them from being zombie fans, this is some kind of paradox. And there are a lot of them, and the feeling is that in recent years it has become more. I do not like this. And our militant, God forbid this happens, will be different from the Syrian ignoramus, unfortunately.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 2 February 2013 00: 13
                +1
                Want to say that is not a dictator?
                1. Strategy
                  Strategy 2 February 2013 00: 21
                  0
                  In our opinion, Assad is not a dictator. If you have any interest and want to scratch your hands, you immediately find a "dictator" and "weapons of mass destruction". This confirms my post that Israel is an aggressor state and an instrument of world Zionism and American imperialism.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 2 February 2013 00: 34
                    +1
                    A dictator is a person standing at the head of a dictatorial regime (see Dictatorship), the sole ruler of the state, with unlimited power and standing above the law.

                    Dictatorship (Latin dictatura) is a form of exercising state power, in which the entirety of state power belongs to only one political position - the ruler (dictator), the ruling party, the ruling group of people, the ruling union or the ruling social class.

                    What is the ruling party that had no alternatives in Syria? Baath?
                    1. Strategy
                      Strategy 2 February 2013 11: 40
                      0
                      What's your business? Even without a dictatorship, you, together with the United States, are aggressors and outrageous, covering up your predatory goals with "UN peacekeeping mandates." Wolves in sheep's clothing, in a word.
        2. vsa-xnumx
          vsa-xnumx 31 January 2013 17: 43
          +1
          Natalia

          Well done! I agree 100%!
      2. Son
        Son 31 January 2013 09: 52
        +1
        And the rest will be called traitors.
    4. UzRus
      UzRus 31 January 2013 10: 55
      +1
      Natalia, option 2 ...
    5. VAF
      VAF 31 January 2013 15: 25
      +1
      Quote: Natalia
      2 option:


      Dear Natalia, it is unfortunate ... but only option 2+ request
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 31 January 2013 20: 26
        0
        To my deepest regret ......
  • Yurikus
    Yurikus 31 January 2013 09: 50
    +2
    Has the fleet already left ours? Maybe it’s worth turning back and covering the sky with Syria. They would have shot down a couple of Israeli planes, these would have been exercises!
  • Nevsky
    Nevsky 31 January 2013 09: 52
    0
    I, too, until today, had a neutral attitude towards Israel ... The Western World, and Israel is part of it, has gone too far in the notion of "preemptive strike". It's a shame that they didn't shoot down. Immediately deliver to Syria, not only the S-300, but also the S-400 Triumph, and. tested elements S-500. And finally, not mythical, but real complexes Iskander M. It is also possible to use the Smerch MLRS division to test the iron dome ...
    1. d1m1drol
      d1m1drol 31 January 2013 11: 12
      +2
      It would not be bad .. but .. there are no guarantees that in the morning the shaitan-horde of the Majahideen "twist the bulbs and beat the transistors" ... no one really controls anything there. The army drives the Wahhabis around the country .. and those at night in small groups can move relatively freely. In principle, for this reason, the Jews also relaxed. Air defense bases are under constant pressure from the ground, and all forces are thrown into holding positions. I think this is how things are. It is clear that they will not capture the installation .. but they can damage it.
  • SEM
    SEM 31 January 2013 09: 52
    0
    how will no one know only God. I am afraid to make a mistake for a long time I read, but it is said in the scripture something like this - for 200 years no one can touch and get to the holy land ..... Maybe this is the beginning of the end ???
  • Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 31 January 2013 09: 59
    +1
    interesting girls are dancing - bombed something, they don’t know - what! ??? no comments! ??? Syria seems to be an independent country! ???? what .... x) me! ??? they just go nuts! ???? What a table of negotiations with terrorists! ??? push and push ... confuse blows from the rear from the Jews ........ if nothing changes here - soon everyone will start bombing ...........
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent 31 January 2013 10: 01
    -3
    Yes, and Russian armor did not help beeches
    1. Guun
      Guun 31 January 2013 10: 41
      +2
      Well, even a martial arts master who fights with more than one enemy will not be able to repel a blow from the underwear of a stronger rival, do you think it was a quiet, vile blow, all the more since the Jew assured everyone of their neutrality! The point was to keep it there if the rebels could get there to them? With the Turks, it was clear that there was a flow from there and they were ready, and the Turks did not support neutrality. What is it? Hypocrisy?
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 31 January 2013 11: 09
        0
        Air defense excuses must be on duty around the clock and be ready for anything
    2. UzRus
      UzRus 31 January 2013 10: 55
      +1
      Probably, in that direction they were not ...
    3. d1m1drol
      d1m1drol 31 January 2013 11: 16
      0
      here the approach time is small this time. And two, we need automatic fire control systems integrated with over-the-horizon radars at least to notice the enemy on take-off. So beech and shell is good, but in a complex.
  • Sarus
    Sarus 31 January 2013 10: 04
    +3
    An Israeli air raid on one of the objects of the research center of the Syrian Defense Ministry is a gross violation of the UN charter. This was stated today in the Russian Foreign Ministry, commenting on the information that appeared about external aggression against Syria.

    "Moscow has received with deep concern the reports of the Israeli Air Force raid on targets in Syria near Damascus. If this information is confirmed, then we are dealing with unprovoked strikes on targets on the territory of a sovereign state, which grossly violates the UN Charter and is unacceptable, whatever the motives This was not justified. We again urge the end of any violence in Syria, the prevention of any outside interference and the start of an all-Syrian dialogue on the basis of the Geneva agreements of June 30, 2012. "- noted on Smolenskaya Square.

    Here is our answer ...
    It is a pity that he is not so ... In the future, all unidentified targets in the Syrian airspace will be lost. I would like our Chief of the General Staff to say this ... And China would have mumbled a thread ...
    1. Son
      Son 31 January 2013 10: 10
      +2
      Unfortunately, OPTION 2 is predicted by NATALIA.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 31 January 2013 10: 23
        +1
        This is bad news...... sad
    2. atalef
      atalef 31 January 2013 11: 58
      +2
      Quote: Sarus
      . And China would have mumbled a thread ...

      And you did not notice, China has long spit on this whole mess. I wrote for a long time, China is only interested in China. And there are no different states except hemorrhoids that bring nothing and China will not be sacrificed by its soldiers. He is quietly crushing everyone, the economy will crush.
  • anchonsha
    anchonsha 31 January 2013 10: 09
    +1
    This is where the Holocaust from those who at times destroyed the innocent people more than innocent Jews died in the dungeons of the Nazis. And all the media are silent. But Israel has become the same aggressor as the United States, only can be more resourceful. Since they know that the diaspora in the United States will raise a stench and a squeal, so that everyone begins to defend the position of Israel. But this is not infinite.
  • AKOL
    AKOL 31 January 2013 10: 09
    0
    Quote: gaz
    Jews reconnaissance in battle to determine the reaction of Russia and China

    Definitely. Now we are waiting for an answer.
  • 8 company
    8 company 31 January 2013 10: 10
    0
    Jews, as usual, bent Arabs. No wonder.
    1. atalef
      atalef 31 January 2013 11: 59
      +1
      Quote: Company 8
      Jews, as usual, bent Arabs. No wonder

      And you can be sure, not the last time.
      1. Perch_xnumx
        Perch_xnumx 31 January 2013 12: 20
        0
        And you can be sure, not the last time.
        You’re playing a point when negotiations on the supply of serious rocket toys and technologies begin. And you can finish the game, Israel is small.
      2. 8 company
        8 company 31 January 2013 12: 26
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        And you can be sure, not the last time.


        Well, well, not a borzoi. Your military success is only in the fact that Russia does not provide real military assistance to the Arabs.
        1. atalef
          atalef 31 January 2013 13: 03
          0
          Quote: Company 8
          Well, well, not a borzoi. Your military success is only in the fact that Russia does not provide real military assistance to the Arabs.

          Well, well, maybe we’ll somehow correlate with history. Let’s recall the interval from 1965 to 1982. Only military debts were forgiven (or stolen together with Egypto Saddat), the PLO, Syria, Iraq - more than 50 billion bucks. With this money, gingerbread was delivered, or what?
          The last contract with Syria for 4 billion bucks is shoe polish or something?
          Syria always knew perfectly well that the superiority of Israel is the Air Force, therefore, it bought the most advanced air defense systems (which Russia allowed to buy) and the air defense forces are the largest in the military force. 60t.person (despite the fact that all ground forces are200t.person)
          1. 8 company
            8 company 31 January 2013 13: 36
            +1
            Quote: atalef
            the most advanced air defense systems


            Though you are a Jew, have a conscience. Where did the Arabs get "the most modern air defense systems" now? Better remember how in 1973 your "Phantoms" were shot down by Soviet air defense systems
            http://www.skywar.ru/Lossovegf2.html
            1. VAF
              VAF 31 January 2013 15: 29
              +2
              Quote: Company 8
              Better remember how in 1973 your "Phantoms" were shot down by Soviet air defense systems


              Just forgot to add ...... and Soviet experts, +! soldier
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 31 January 2013 22: 19
                0
                Quote: vaf
                Just forgot to add ...... and Soviet experts, +!
                - but when Soviet experts got nuts from the Jews - unfortunately, there were such episodes, albeit infrequently, then it was the Arab allies for some reason, in honor of this, they had drinking parties and parties! Mubarak, now standing at the gallows, personally recalled. I recalled how I nearly died with joy due to joy when the conscientious pilots conducted a not very successful air battle in Sinai (Mubarak is a pilot). These are soyuznichki -))))))))). By the way, the Jews did not celebrate their victories in Russian, if that.
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 31 January 2013 16: 05
              0
              This is not forgotten in Israel.
        2. Insurgent
          Insurgent 31 January 2013 13: 07
          +2
          Here it is necessary to send volunteers to help the Dentist members of the forum such passions here are stormy laughing
  • Rrrrr
    Rrrrr 31 January 2013 10: 30
    +2
    There are peoples helping the weak in difficult times to die. There was another confirmation of their essence. They cannot be called civilized. How can one live like this, understanding what you are ....
    1. atalef
      atalef 31 January 2013 13: 08
      +2
      Quote: Rrrrr
      There are peoples helping the weak in difficult times to die

      How are you right
      On 15 on May 1948, the day after the proclamation of the state of Israel, the armies of the five Arab countries, an amendment to international law and specifically the resolution of the UN General Assembly of 29 on November 1947 on the establishment of Jewish and Arab states in Palestine, attacked Israel. The war lasted more than a year and ended with the victory of Israel. Territories designated for the Arab state in Palestine were annexed by Egypt and Jordan
      1. Beck
        Beck 31 January 2013 13: 37
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Territories designated for the Arab state in Palestine were annexed by Egypt and Jordan


        The West Bank, that is, Palestine was occupied by Jordan. Gaza Egypt. And this occupation lasted 19 years, from 1948 to 1967.

        Question. And who did not allow these 19 years to the Palestinians to build their state?
  • Evgeniy79
    Evgeniy79 31 January 2013 10: 33
    -3
    Are you obviously talking about Russia now?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 31 January 2013 10: 47
      0
      Quote: Eugene79
      Are you obviously talking about Russia now?

      Another drew, you have absolutely no Saites left in Israel or is it nostalgia.
  • NKVD
    NKVD 31 January 2013 10: 36
    0
    No wonder Hitler destroyed this "nation" am
  • Natalia
    Natalia 31 January 2013 10: 36
    +5
    That's my ........ I. I have no words alone emotions .......... angry
    Bourgeois opened his mouth to Syria !!!
    Open your mouth wider to you x ___ !!!
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 31 January 2013 10: 39
      +4
      Quote: Natalia
      Open up


      Young lady .... well, you give a pancake.

      good love love love
    2. Natalia
      Natalia 31 January 2013 10: 44
      +7
      We will melt our money into bullets !!!!
      Neither Syria to you !!! And our proletarian muzzle !!! No. angry
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 31 January 2013 10: 46
      +2
      Natasha, not swearing much wink
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 31 January 2013 10: 59
        +1
        Ussss ...... sorry Sash ........ played too much repeat
        I won’t be anymore ..... I promise ......
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 31 January 2013 11: 12
          +2
          Quote: Natalia
          Ussss ...... sorry Sash ........ played too much

          You have one hit in Washington laughing do not hurt the white house, there I will have an oval business wink
          1. Vanek
            Vanek 31 January 2013 11: 24
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            business in the oval will


            And quite profitable.
    4. atalef
      atalef 31 January 2013 12: 01
      +6
      Quote: Natalia
      Open your mouth wider to you x ___ !!!

      On m ... no hint? laughing
      In general, to hear this from a woman is nonsense.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 31 January 2013 12: 40
        +1
        atalef
        Gone, rude and ugly No.
        And besides, not witty negative
    5. UzRus
      UzRus 31 January 2013 13: 53
      0
      Young lady, accidentally, did not serve urgent? fellow