Shoigu proposed Putin to change the system of repair of weapons and equipment

The Russian Ministry of Defense submitted for approval to President Vladimir Putin a new scheme for the repair and maintenance of military equipment, providing for the transition to full-cycle contracts and the removal of manufacturers from the units of the Ministry of Defense.

“Today we would like to offer you a new system for the maintenance of weapons and military equipment. This is due primarily to the fact that we would like to switch to, first, through contracts for life-cycle contracts: from manufacturing to recycling ", - said Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu at a meeting with Putin, which was also attended by the head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces Valery Gerasimov.

“And the second part - perhaps it’s the main part - we want to transfer capital and medium repairs to manufacturers, withdrawing them, including from divisions of the Ministry of Defense. Thus, naturally, freeing the number of additional,” said the Minister.

The most important thing is that the technician should be repaired by the one who manufactures it, he stressed.

"Plus, we are already completing the negotiating part with Russian Technologies, KamAZ enterprises, construction companies for servicing weapons, military equipment, ships, airplanes, ground vehicles, armored vehicles. And today we would like to offer you for approval this new system We have finalized it, discussed it with the heads of companies, state-owned companies, and we believe that this will allow us to more efficiently use the enormous funds allocated by the country to ensure defense capability. country "Asha - Shoigu said.

“Okay. Now let's talk about all these issues,” Putin said.

Comments

[Apollo]

quote-The most important thing is that the one who manufactures the equipment must repair it

and naturally with a guarantee.
It’s time to unload the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation from functions unusual for it! IMHO
The very combination of the Ministry of Defense speaks for itself. It's still not the Remminism.

[Hauptmann emil]

Major repairs must of course be carried out by the manufacturer. But average repairs in wartime should be carried out by various RVB (repair and restoration battalions), bases, etc. And for this they must learn to do it in peacetime. For example, a car, tractor, tank, etc. engine jammed. They drove it to the front-line repair base, or in what thread "rembat" and replaced the internal combustion engine, do not drive it to the Urals, KAMAZ, N. Tagil for repairs.

[mehanik27]

You won’t make a lot of money on the BDS ... and actually you’ll earn almost nothing, but from the factory you can have something)))

[shicl]

This is what ARZ will disperse now?

[Chukcha]

Perhaps they will be transferred to the category of "official production dealers".
They will repair equipment on site.

[Byordovvv1]

Absolutely right! The equipment is out of order before the warranty period - please be kindly the manufacturers to repair their deficiencies at their own expense.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Byordovvv1

The equipment is out of order before the warranty period - manufacturers are kind to repair

So it was in the USSR Armed Forces. I don’t know at whose expense, but the new equipment (if the failure was serious) was taken to the manufacturing plants.

[Tatanka Yotanka]

capital and medium repairs to manufacturers,
and how does this happen, a broken tank in the Caucasus to the Urals to drive -RZHD will get rich, or service centers in the regions-the plant will ask for money for this and not small

[common man]

Probably, it would be more reasonable to transfer the repair factories to the manufacturing plants. Together with the state, but without those liable for military service, especially conscripts, and with a military receiver. And money? The military also did not repair for free.

[sniper]

Quote: man in the street

Probably, it would be more reasonable to transfer the repair factories to the manufacturing plants.

It’s hard to understand what is meant, but also

Quote: Tatanka Yotanka

, a broken tank in the Caucasus to the Urals to drive

certainly stupid ... So in my opinion there is not enough information to evaluate this news ...

[Mikhail3]

Therefore, it is served like that. Because we are by no means building additional capacities of our defense enterprises throughout the country, we are not building large defense workshops in civilian holdings like KAMAZ! No no! We are just serving...
Already the heart rejoices, by golly.

[tanit]

Perhaps you mean, without the military?

[mehanik27]

And what if they remove one and a half conscripts from the repair plant that were listed there (and then seconded), everything immediately goes uphill ???

[Lopatov]

They also take off shoulder straps from the leadership. They will be civil. Instead of camouflage with shoes and a cap, suits with ties will be worn. Which will greatly affect labor productivity.
But with the workers, I don't know how. Before that, they were listed as "employees of the RA" with at least some minimum of social services. guarantees, and here they are immediately in capitalism. No matter how they ran away due to regular salary delays.

[mehanik27]

Choi, as I recall, the leadership there recalled that it was usually military only on February 23rd and May 9th, and even if I’m not mistaken, they did not so long ago that the OJSC implies somehow that the leadership has been civil for a long time ... So where are the innovations then ???

[Lopatov]

Already in suits? I missed this moment.

[mehanik27]

Yes, it's not even something that was missed)))) They were sort of transferred to the category of OJSC in 2008-2009

[Lopatov]

They were part of Rosoboronservis. And this OJSC is interesting, just like RAO UES, with one hundred percent of the state. participation.
And judging by Shoigu's proposals, Rosoboronservis will repeat his fate

[mehanik27]

Something my memory tells me that in RAO "UES", there was no one hundred percent state participation ... is not it ???

[Lopatov]

Watching when. They started as a company with a hundred percent state interest. participation.

[mehanik27]

well, it’s so important not how they started ... but how they ended or exist ... it’s a fairy tale for the average person that they say we’ll just make an OJSC and the state will

[Lopatov]

That is what is important, how to finish.
Rosoboronservice was created in order to end up as RAO UES. Withdrawal of "non-core" from the MO, and then distribution of all profitable. And it looks like nothing has changed with the change of minister.

[mehanik27]

Well, actually, our thoughts converge. But I don’t even want to say anything about the shift. It will be interesting to see in 2 years how they will glorify Shoigu or not))))

[Lopatov]

I bet that they will criticize more strongly Serdyukov. Shoigu seems to be subjected to sophisticated political assassination. Painfully popular among the people. Till.

[mehanik27]

Compared to Serdyukov Shoigu is a heavyweight, and Serdyukov is so ... a whipping boy

[in reserve]

“Plus, we are already completing the negotiation part with Rostekhnologii, KamAZ enterprises, construction companies for servicing weapons, military equipment, ships, aircraft, ground vehicles, armored vehicles.

Service centers are good. The more they can be created on the basis of former engineering enterprises that have not yet completely collapsed and which are a dime a dozen in Russia, here you have jobs.

[Polymer]

Shoigu suggested a normal topic ....

[s1н7т]

Quote: Polymer

Shoigu suggested a normal topic ....

What new did Shogu offer? I did not understand, for example, where will they cut it now?

[Son]

Please interpret ... And, during b / d, also a service ..?

[shicl]

tanit, At ARZ, and so long ago, all civilians.

[Son]

We’ve already experimented with the rear ... Now with the armament ... By the way, about the rear, we have the same crap ... There is no rear.

[spy master]

I do not agree that the situation here is the same as with the rear, because:
1. The manufacturer must repair and maintain the equipment throughout the entire life cycle.
2. And during the DB, all factories (and, accordingly, their employees) will still work for the defense industry, because as I understand it. that the "manufacturer" is part of the MIC.

[spy master]

I do not agree that the situation here is the same as with the rear, because:
1. The manufacturer must repair and maintain the equipment throughout the entire life cycle.
2. During the DB, all factories (and, accordingly, their employees) will still work for the defense industry, because as I understand it. that the "manufacturer" is part of the MIC.

[spy master]

I do not agree that the situation here is the same as with the rear, because:
1. The manufacturer must repair and maintain the equipment throughout the entire life cycle.
2. During the DB, all factories (and, accordingly, their employees) will still work for the defense industry, because as I understand it. that the "manufacturer" is part of the MIC.
Although I agree with the above: "The rear troops should be returned and in no case should they be replaced with any kind of consulting."

[s1н7т]

Quote: spymaster

The manufacturer must repair and maintain the equipment throughout the entire life cycle.

And it always has been, it seems. In the army - only routine repairs, seasonal maintenance, the rest - in factories. What did the ARDS honestly do not know

[Sunscorpion]

Reasonable, logical

[SEM]

Well, now it will be more expensive to drive a marriage if the manufacturer will repair it at his own expense of course. But this provision needs to be fixed by certain orders or the law so that the maneuver is not necessary for liability. The manufacturer of the marriage will think ten times how to make it not happen, then you look and high-quality equipment and everything else will be and kickbacks will not save from responsibility)))

[military]

Quote: SEM

Well, now it’s more expensive to drive a marriage if the manufacturer will repair it at his own expense, of course

strange porridge at you turns out ... what is the relationship between manufacturing defects and overhaulcarried out at a certain stage of the life cycle after the development of a significant part of the technical resource of the product? ... for your information, any overhaul is always far from the warranty period, which determines the period of free repair by the manufacturer of any defects that appear ... so do not flatter yourself - for after-sales service and overhaul will have to pay ... and quite robust ...

[serezhasoldatow]

At the factories of the defense industrial complex, skilled workers have been dispersed for a long time; Who will work now? Only Tajiks will be recruited for such salaries. And who will repair the special equipment — one factory, second devices, assembly on the third?

[s1н7т]

Quote: serezhasoldatow

At the defense industry factories, skilled workers have long been dispersed,

There, in fact, the military reception was dispersed. Where does quality come from?

[1goose3]

Well done Shoigu. This is not outsourcing.
“And the second part - perhaps it’s the main part - we want to transfer capital and medium repairs to manufacturers, withdrawing them, including from divisions of the Ministry of Defense. Thus, naturally, freeing the number of additional,” said the Minister.

The task is not easy, but the direction chosen is absolutely correct, promising, and this is important.

[Lopatov]

This is true outsourcing. Everything is adult, as in advanced cap. countries- now external performers will not be controlled by the Ministry of Defense in general

[stranik72]

The manufacturer (aviation) in the Russian Federation is technologically not sharpened to carry out repairs in order to do this; it will have to be invested in infrastructure and repairs will be much more expensive for the Ministry of Defense, so not everything is so rosy. In the mid-90s, factory workers themselves tried to do this, it did not work out very much because of the price. Example U-UAZ, Rostvertol, Progress (Arsenyev). Have you already forgotten this experience in Moscow?

[Lopatov]

Just technology for the MO will become more expensive. And everything will pay off.

[s1н7т]

Quote: stranik72

The manufacturer (aviation) in the Russian Federation is technologically not sharpened to carry out repairs

But where in the 80s did our Su-17m3 / 4 drive? To the factory, however! In TEC, they didn’t

[Misantrop]

Quote: c1n7

To the factory, however! In TEC, they didn’t

There are different factories. Some are aircraft construction, others are aircraft repair. In the navy it is the same. For example, in Severodvinsk in the city of the Northern Sea Route there is a shipbuilding plant, and opposite it at Yagrakh is a ship-repairing "Zvezda". There are no aircraft manufacturers in Belarus, but there is definitely an aircraft repair (at least one)

[s1н7т]

Quote: Spade

This is true outsourcing.

Shovels, the first time I plus you!

[Lopatov]

Guys, Shoigu, after all, suggested what was done under Serdyukov - the withdrawal of "non-core assets." But if earlier they were taken out to a structure controlled by the Ministry of Defense, now they are going to "grab" them completely.

[Cheloveck]

I feel like дeffective management “is not going anywhere from our army.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Cheloveck

It seems to me that effective management "will not go anywhere from our army.

Well, the whole country is like this, where will the army go?

[varyag]

Wait, they will go through the stage of monopolization of the defense industry - manufacturers and will become next to the basing of technology. There is a smart guy - Rogozin. And there will be "daughters" with specialists from them, next to them. not far away, it’s stupid to drive equipment to the main plant. There would be enough money!

[s.cot]

It is incomprehensible, is it because of a torn gusli or a broken torsion that they will take a car (figuratively) to the Urals? Or will plants be obliged to have specialists in every unit?

[barbiturate]

just a new scheme of theft) under Serdyukov, who remembers at first, everything was beautiful and sounded just like that, they say and so, everything is competent and to the point, but it all ended in embezzlement for tens of billions (if not hundreds). There will be also, they will steal everything, and then Shoigu will retire, to a well-deserved rest and will make a helpless gesture in his memoirs "Guys, it didn't work out, but it was great, believe me")
The funny thing is that everyone understands - it will be so, but once again they hope for something.

[Metlik]

Shoigu's mistake. The repair system at the enterprise can only work in minor conflicts. In a large-scale war, the plants will already be loaded to the eyeballs with the release of new equipment. In World War II, the t-34 was not taken to the factory - it was repaired on the battlefield.

[Adrenalin]

And now we have the Great Patriotic War? If there is a war, they will repair as before, on the battlefield.

[mehanik27]

To repair on the battlefield, as before, first it is necessary that the one who will repair was available and close to the battlefield .....

[Metlik]

Adrenalin,
Global crises always ended in world wars.
Now we will destroy the mobile repair system, and then we will restore it in a hurry.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Metlik

Now we will destroy the mobile repair system, and then we will restore it in a hurry

Many people don't give a fuck here, they would be "patriotic" to assent to any nonsense "from above"