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The leasing company Ilyushin Finance Co. (IFC) refused to become the starting Russian customer of the upgraded L-410 aircraft produced at the Czech plant Aircraft Industries, owned by the Ural Mining and Metallurgical Company (UMMC). IFC could not find an operator for the aircraft, explaining this to the high cost of ownership. Now the launch customer will be the Ministry of Defense of Russia, which requires four airliners, in everyday life received the nickname Cheburashka.

Representatives of the leasing company and UMMC, the owner of the Aircraft Industries plant, told RBC daily that IFC had suspended negotiations on the purchase of Czech aircraft. “The aircraft proved itself in the last century, IFC wanted to try to engage in small appliances and entered into a preliminary agreement with the Czech plant. However, the cost of ownership of L-410 is high, which complicates the search for customers, ”the official representative of the IFC said. According to him, airlines-operators for its acquisition required substantial budget subsidies and guarantees. "The high price and the claimed characteristics of the aircraft led to the freezing of negotiations on its acquisition by air carriers," said the representative of the IFC.

L-410 (got the nickname Cheburashka for the characteristic arrangement of engines) was during Soviet times the most massive turboprop aircraft operated on regional lines. Total order was released 1000 such machines. It transports up to 19 passengers and is able to work on airfields with both ground and hard surface. The plane flies at a speed of 300 km / h over distances up to 500 km.

UMMC bought 51% of Czech Aircraft Industries shares in 2008; It was assumed that the Czech aircraft will be the basis of the new regional airline fleet in the Urals (with a base at Ektuk Uktus airport). However, in 2009, UMMC co-owner Iskandar Makhmudov began negotiations to sell the plant of the United Aircraft Building Corporation (UAC). The deal did not take place, and the UMMC had to independently search for customers for the aircraft. In the summer of 2012, IFC signed a preliminary agreement for the supply of ten aircraft during 2013 — 2014, with an option for three airliners in 2015.

After the failure of the IFC, the launch customer of the upgraded L-410 is likely to become the Russian Ministry of Defense. As noted on the state procurement site, the military department is preparing to purchase four airliners, the maximum contract value is 781,3 million rubles. (VAT included). Of these, two aircraft will be in the passenger version on 19 seats, one will be eight-seater, another aircraft will be made in the VIP-version for five passengers (headquarters), noted on the website of public procurement. All aircraft must be delivered this year. The liners will be equipped with new Walter M-601 engines (until now, the GE H-80 engine was installed on the aircraft). The UMMC notes that the Defense Ministry will buy upgraded aircraft that can fly at a speed of 380 km / h, with a range of 1380 km. In addition to the Ministry of Defense, this year another six L-410 aircraft can be delivered to foreign and Russian airlines. Among them, the representative of UMMC calls “Komiaviatrans” and the Orenburg Airport State Unitary Enterprise “Orenburg Airport”.
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  1. Vanek
    +1
    29 January 2013 11: 53
    Ilyushin Finance Co. wassat
    1. Uncle Serozha
      +8
      29 January 2013 13: 20
      Quote: Vanek
      Ilyushin Finance Co.

      What's that! In most of the territory of the ANTK them. Tupolev is now an office complex. Do you know what it's called? Tupolev Plaza! lol
      But in general, the idea for Ilyushin Finance was a sensible one. To lease domestic aircraft to our air carriers. Westerners are luring you - you don't have to pay the full amount at once for a used Boeing. And we also need to learn to fight in the financial field. And the refusal to finance them for Elk is understandable too. They do not need to spoil relations with the UAC, but the UGKM does not seem to give a damn.

      And "Elka" is a noble car and respected in Aeroflot in its time. Of the 1100 cars produced, more than 800 worked in the USSR - not a horseradish. Only what I didn't understand from the article is this:

      Quote: Author
      The airliners will be equipped with the new Walter M-601 engines (until now, the GE H-80 engine has been installed on aircraft).


      Sorry, but in the USSR Elki was supplied with the Czech Walters M-601. Perhaps this is a new modification, but this engine is very familiar to ours. In contrast to the "old" General Electric, which the Czechs were forced to hide there in the early 90s to simplify obtaining a Western certificate.
      1. Vanek
        +1
        29 January 2013 13: 26
        Quote: Uncle Seryozha
        "Tupolev Plaza"!


        laughing laughing laughing

        Just the name, "Ilyushin Finance Co." - "killed" laughing

        Well, you can somehow in Russian. "Financial Company (well, let the corporation)" Ilyushin "". It would be FKI. The essence does not change from this. But normal, in Russian, and everyone understands.
      2. VAF
        VAF
        +3
        29 January 2013 13: 57
        Quote: Uncle Seryozha

        Sorry, but in the USSR Elki was supplied with the Czech Walters M-601. Perhaps this is a new modification, but this engine is very familiar to ours. In contrast to the "old" General Electric, which the Czechs were forced to hide there in the early 90s to simplify obtaining a Western certificate.


        ++++++++++++++ !!! drinks
      3. +2
        29 January 2013 16: 22
        Quote: Uncle Seryozha
        And "Elka" is a noble car and respected in Aeroflot in its time.


        Um. I would not say that.
        For pilots retraining on the L-410, the An-2 has always been a free "petrol breadwinner" for their Volga and Zhiguli. And here, kerosene TS-1. Yes, and in operation "ours is unpretentious. To be more precise, the flight crew treated the issues of An-2 operation much easier. And this one required leaving. The An-2 engine is still with the I-16, but here you understand
    2. VAF
      VAF
      +2
      29 January 2013 13: 25
      Quote: Vanek
      Ilyushin Finance Co.


      It’s in vain ... the company is very ..normal and is constantly "in spite" of UAC Pogasyan!
      Only thanks to them we still have the IL-96 and An-148-e! wink
      1. Vanek
        +2
        29 January 2013 13: 39
        Quote: vaf
        ... the company is very .. normal and goes always "in spite"


        Yes, the name just smiled at me. I will not say anything for the company as such. Not positively ... and even more so negatively. ............ Just a name.

        Sergei hi
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +3
          29 January 2013 13: 56
          Quote: Vanek
          Just a name.


          Well ... I understood ... no ... a fool would not understand (folk wisdom). This is me for the moderators, so as not to be "crossed out" wink

          Everything is fine, +! drinks
          1. 0
            29 January 2013 15: 26
            Hello everyone!! Guys, what did you stick with the name, maybe it’s just there letters are paid ....
  2. +2
    29 January 2013 11: 58
    The car is cool and reliable in the conditions of Siberia, in Soviet times there was actually air taxi on regional lines. A short take-off and landing on the ground.
    1. +3
      29 January 2013 12: 06
      Well, this article is more for specialists than for the layman.
      1. +1
        29 January 2013 12: 19
        Quote: alexneg
        Well, this article is more for specialists than for the layman.


        Greetings to you, Alexander Ivanovich! hi

        Well then Wafa, SSI, Alex241, and Sergh in the studio! wassat
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +5
          29 January 2013 13: 48
          Quote: Apollon
          Well then wafa


          Greetings Apollo! And fulfilling the wishes of Alexander Ivanovich and yours ... I’ll try to summarize and report on the fact:

          I will not criticize the article, yesterday I was criticized on the Barges-Mistralki ..., I’ve already ripened, but to no avail .. there’s nothing, therefore, only figures and facts, well, everyone will draw conclusions himself, I’ll just stress it! wink

          And so:

          In November last year, news agencies announced a contract between the Russian Ministry of Defense and the Czech aircraft manufacturer Aircraft Industries for the supply of four L-410UVP-E20 aircraft.
          At the same time, officially the start of the procurement procedure was announced only on January 16 this year? bully

          According to the information posted on the official website for public procurement, the military department plans to receive four Czech-made aircraft by November 25 of this year, the delivery location near Chkalovsky airfield near Moscow.

          Aircraft must be manufactured in accordance with TS-012 specification 2.
          At the same time, the technical conditions themselves, attached to the procurement documentation, do not contain indications of this configuration. bully

          According to this document, L-410UVP-E20 aircraft are manufactured in three versions:
          - The main option with a passenger cabin equipped with seats for 19 passengers;
          - option with two VIP lounges for 8 passengers;
          - Salon option in complete set 1 with one VIP lounge for 5 passengers, having advanced interior panels, LCD screen and DVD system, kitchen compartment with microwave and coffee maker, toilet and luggage compartment.



          To be continued......
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +5
            29 January 2013 13: 50
            Quote: vaf
            To be continued.....


            This year, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation plans to receive “salons” in the configuration for eight seats, which differ from those already delivered in 2011 bully aircraft installation of a set of digital avionics, autopilot, new GE H80 engines and aircraft propellers AV-725.

            Indeed, in 2011-2012, the Ministry of Defense has already received seven aircraft of this type. bully

            Under the first contract, signed on December 21, 2010, four L-2011UVP-E410s in the Salon version were received in 20 in Chkalovsky, two of which were in configuration 1 (for 5 seats) and two more were in configuration 2.
            As you can see, the ordinary "passenger" version doesn’t ... smell like wassat

            The cost of one aircraft in the first configuration amounted to 156 million rubles., In the second - a little more than 138 million rubles.

            The terms of the second contract, concluded on December 27, 2011, envisaged the delivery of three aircraft in complete set 2 with a price of 150 million for each.

            One of them in the past year has already arrived at the air base in Rostov-on-Don.



            The new L-410UVP-E20, delivered to the Rostov-on-Don air base in 2012
            1. VAF
              VAF
              +3
              29 January 2013 13: 55
              Quote: vaf
              L-410UVP-E20


              Now on the Tender and supplies ... for "commerce":

              The initial price of the tender announced on January 16 was 781,3 million rubles, that is, 195,3 million for each aircraft.

              At the same time, Uktus-Avia CJSC indicated in its commercial proposal a price of 205,9 million per aircraft, including in its price the costs of remuneration of administrative staff.

              As indicated in the tender documentation, the increase in the cost of the delivered aircraft is also associated with a rise in the cost of purchased component parts, including LCD + DVD entertainment systems, which grew in price by 34,2% over two years.

              It is worth noting that in the last couple of years, purchases of Czech L-410 and civil aviation airlines have intensified.

              Last year, Krasavia Airlines received three aircraft on lease (I wrote about this earlier in LiveJournal), and two more - Yamal.

              At the end of last year, it became known about the plans of the airline to acquire six L-410UVP-E20 airlines (he wrote in his LiveJournal).

              According to the official website for the procurement of certain types of legal entities, three of them will be purchased from CJSC Uktus-Avia for 168,5 million rubles. for each ship, three more will be received leasing for seven years through the State Transport and Leasing Company.
              Taking into account leasing payments, each aircraft will cost Orenburg Airlines 261,2 million rubles.

              In January 10, another state-owned airline, Komiaviatrans, posted information on choosing a leasing company to supply one L-410UVP-E20 on a finance lease.

              The aircraft was to be purchased by the lessor from CJSC Uktus-Avia for 168,48 million rubles.

              For unclear reasons, there were no companies willing to participate in this tender. bully
            2. +1
              29 January 2013 19: 33
              Chekhov feed
          2. +2
            29 January 2013 17: 25
            Quote: vaf
            Greetings Apollo! And fulfilling the wishes of Alexander Ivanovich and yours ... I’ll try to summarize and report on the fa


            Dear Sergey, I welcome you hi Thanks for the detailed comments on the topic.good
      2. +6
        29 January 2013 12: 42
        Like not a specialistI am concerned about another aspect of this article: VIP plane, VIP helicopter for MOYes, 1-2 helicopter airplanes with improved trim are flying nearby эthen for a servant or retinue?

        All, without a leather interior there is no life and is it not comfortable to work?
      3. nickname 1 and 2
        +1
        29 January 2013 20: 01
        alexneg,

        I'm not special either! It seems to me that the "maize" is our dear, we must not forget!

        He (the maize) will still show, on occasion, Kuzyakin’s mother!
        And for our open spaces with this constant bad weather it’s better not to come up with an airplane!
        1. Alex 241
          +3
          29 January 2013 20: 35
          As it will show good
          1. +1
            29 January 2013 20: 43
            Sasha, hello !! He, in fact, modernized ....
            1. Alex 241
              +3
              29 January 2013 20: 59
              Hi Lesh. In Novosibirsk, the testing of the modernized An-2



              The Siberian Scientific Research Institute of Aviation named after S.A. Chaplygin in September plans to complete tests of the An-2 aircraft equipped with an American turboprop engine.

              This was reported by "Interfax-Siberia" with reference to the director of SibNIA Vladimir Barsuk. "The tests are about 80% completed, the basic data have been received, and we will present the test results to the Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia," the test pilot told the agency.

              The day before, the Deputy Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation at a meeting in Novosibirsk proposed using the upgraded An-2 for local and regional transportation. Currently, according to him, in the Russian fleet of about 2 thousand An-2.
              1. 0
                29 January 2013 21: 03
                Sasha, just don’t say that the far right is you bully
    2. VAF
      VAF
      +2
      29 January 2013 13: 27
      Quote: Strashila
      The car is cool and reliable in Siberia


      In principle, I agree, it's not a bad car, just fly on it. especially in summer ... I would not recommend to people not "connected" with aviation (with a weak vestibular apparatus), because. chatters it. especially at low and extremely low altitudes ... like the An-2! wink
      1. Sergh
        +1
        29 January 2013 15: 08
        Quote: vaf
        not "associated" with aviation (with a weak vestibular apparatus), I would not recommend

        Hi guys! Just arrived.
        I don't know which it modernization, but the previous aircraft for civil transportation was completely homogeneous! Back in the 80s, it seemed to me that he didn’t have hermeticization at all, and sitting in it for more than an hour was simply punishment. Tried to take flight An-24, if it allowed.
    3. +3
      29 January 2013 16: 44
      Quote: Strashila
      Short take-off and landing on the ground.


      It’s not always necessary to tear off our soil

      And here the An-24 takes off in Bodaibo
      http://www.avsim.su/forum/topic/127495-l-410-uvyaz-v-gryazi-na-vpp/page__st__20
  3. 0
    29 January 2013 12: 05
    In the flying club we would have such a bird! feel
    1. +1
      29 January 2013 12: 23
      a little expensive for a flying club however, under two hundred lyamov the toy is wink
      1. 0
        29 January 2013 17: 35
        Exchange for AN-2 (in total, just enough if you still pick up half from the Krasnokutsk flight). wink
  4. +1
    29 January 2013 12: 22
    In service

    Russia - the first 4 L-410 UVP-E20 (s / n 2737, 2738, 2739 and 2740) were received by the RF Ministry of Defense during February-April of the 2011 year. At the end of December 2011, a second contract was signed for the purchase of the following 3 L-410 UVP-E20 for a total amount of 450 million rubles with delivery until November 2012. In November 2012, the third contract was signed for the supply of 4 L-410УВП-Е20, while the agreement contains an option to purchase four more aircraft
    [img]http://images.yandex.ru/yandsearch?text=самолет L-410,&noreask=1&img_url=http://img.newsinfo.ru/image/article/9/3/9/2939.jpeg&po
    s = 20 & rpt = simage & lr = 36 [/ img]
  5. +1
    29 January 2013 12: 22
    More like a rat smile
  6. kukuruzo
    +4
    29 January 2013 12: 25
    difficult for a simple amateur to comprehend ... I generally took the name :) "Cheburashka will be drafted into the army" I think how it might look ...
  7. +8
    29 January 2013 12: 33
    Perhaps a decent car, but one thing confuses.
    As soon as our business buys a factory in the west, then immediately from the budget there is an urgent need for injections !!
    In place of engaging in marketing and market promotion, immediately an attempt to shove into the Moscow Region or another state structure.
  8. 0
    29 January 2013 12: 35
    I would like to know the purchase price of Makhmudov and the sale price of the UAC!
    1. 0
      29 January 2013 12: 55
      Quote: ultra
      I would like to know the purchase price of Makhmudov and the sale price of the UAC!

      Would you like to take? wink
  9. anchonsha
    0
    29 January 2013 12: 36
    The cost is large, and it could be used in the regions, regions of the country for passenger traffic.
  10. Nechai
    +11
    29 January 2013 12: 37
    Quote: Strashila
    in Soviet times there was actually air taxi on regional lines

    Proceeding from "higher political interests" the OWN BEST car AN-28 was "pushed aside".
    1. +4
      29 January 2013 12: 50
      I fully support - to me personally this machine, like its predecessor, is more attractive ....
      Capacity: 18 passengers
      Maximum speed: 355 km / h
      Range of flight: 1980 km
      Service ceiling: 6000 m
      Take-off run: 540m, and a little bit to modify at the present time (because the car is 3 decades old) - and the flight characteristics will noticeably "grow up", and the price will be easier
      1. +3
        29 January 2013 13: 18
        Quote: Dart Weyder
        with a little refinement to date

        Too complicated for them ....... wassat Much easier ready to buy ...... wassat
      2. VAF
        VAF
        +3
        29 January 2013 14: 21
        Quote: Dart Weyder
        I fully support - to me personally this machine, like its predecessor, is more attractive ....


        I agree! +! drinks

        That's just the "jamb" that "passed" by inheritance from the Bee (An-14'go) remained recourse

        A very low upper section of the entrance-exit hatch (door) .. and as a result of this .. so many people have their foreheads blown up and the cones on their forehead were full when landing. what.... wassat
        1. +1
          29 January 2013 15: 12
          Well, the thing is - they just didn’t jump from Sesna - there is complete acrobatics there - I had more impressions of the exit than of the jump - I had to crawl out under the wing support to avoid getting under the stabilizer, and then let go - believe me - crawl when your feet dangling in the air, and under you 3 km - it’s easier to bump and jump on your forehead wassat I saw it in 2004-2006, I don’t remember exactly near Kiev about 80 km from the city, I didn’t consider it at all - at an altitude of 5-4 km the An-14 or An-28 was gaining altitude, turning off the engines, and descending smoothly and low altitude, only then, somewhere out of the woods, was the engine starting and the car again appearing at a height after a while and repeating this trick for a long time .... and as for the proposed device, I’m not sure whether it has such capabilities as a glider or not !?
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +1
            29 January 2013 15: 40
            Quote: Dart Weyder
            Well, the thing is - they just did not jump from Sesna


            Dmitry. Dear, you probably want to leave our Air Force without the flight personnel ??? wassat

            What Sesna..maximum Mi-8 and An-2.. Well and An-14 ... this is for the brave or hopeless!

            I’ve jumped a couple of times with Li-2 in my life .. I still remember the number of rivets on the starboard side .... wassat

            well, just did not turn it off, but feathered ..... and airplanes with a straight wing have a very good aerodynamic quality .. therefore this unit .. is also capable of such .. "fortila"! +! soldier

            And now about the sad ... posted the news on an article on f-16 ... Challenger with passengers fell in Alma-Ata ... it seems that everyone ... died .....
            1. +1
              29 January 2013 16: 01
              not - well, the Mi-8 - in general, a chic unit against Sesna - it's like comparing the Brokeback with the Merin 600th laughing I liked jumping with the Mi-8 more - sheer comfort! Li-2 - I haven’t even seen it alive - a museum exhibit, well, Douglas still fly somewhere in Latin America or Africa still .....
              1. VAF
                VAF
                +3
                29 January 2013 16: 17
                Quote: Dart Weyder
                Li-2 - I haven’t even seen it alive - a museum exhibit,


                So I ... far from a boy wassat по возрасту crying



                we were "thrown" just from them. well, from 8 to T-shek! fellow

                There were two excuses ..... age over 35 or weight over 100 kg wassat
                1. Alex 241
                  +3
                  29 January 2013 16: 22
                  Hi Seryozha, we had a flying LI-2, crashed about 10 years ago.
                  1. VAF
                    VAF
                    +1
                    29 January 2013 17: 23
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    Hi Seryozha, we had a flying LI-2, crashed about 10 years ago.


                    Hello Christ's appearance to the people fellow Where're you gone?????? request

                    Or Celebrating Air Defense Day drinks .... dragged on wink

                    And by the way .. with the holiday um everything. Everything, everything .. you and your family and friends fellow

                    1. Alex 241
                      +2
                      29 January 2013 17: 52
                      Thank you Serge, someone must save the world laughing
                2. FID
                  +2
                  29 January 2013 16: 23
                  Quote: vaf
                  we were "thrown" just from them. well, from 8-to with T-shek

                  Hi flyer! I in Chukotka, when my father served, flew on Li-2. From Cape Schmidt in Chokurdy, if memory serves. They sat on benches along the sides, while taking off and landing it was inconvenient. And so, a good car.
                  1. Alex 241
                    +3
                    29 January 2013 16: 25
                    Domodedovo 2002.
                  2. VAF
                    VAF
                    +2
                    29 January 2013 17: 29
                    Quote: SSI
                    They sat on benches along the sides, while taking off and landing it was inconvenient. And so, a good car.


                    Hi Seryozha, there was such a thing ... on folding along the sides. And you moved out because of the small weight. Well and growth. Tk. he quickly raises his tail on take-off, but on taxiing and on the run, yes ... it happened that older uncles also came down.

                    the coolest place was at the tail .... on the covers ... heaped and slept .. this is when on flights!

                    found you a good photo with LLI'ev..your ..... handsome ...!

                    1. Alex 241
                      +4
                      29 January 2013 17: 40
                      great commander, well, I'll add.
                3. 0
                  29 January 2013 19: 41
                  not - well, what it looks like, and from what it was copied - I know))))) and then not everyone could who wanted to master production - a big problem was to translate all the drawings from the imperial system to the metric system ... I saw how they jump and more 100 kg, especially when in tandem - I feel sorry for the instructors, to whom such "ballast" cling ...
        2. Alex 241
          +2
          29 January 2013 16: 28
          Seryoz father-in-law flew the navigator on this machine, according to his recollections the main drawback: great noise, the main illness of the navigator is the disagreement of the vocal cords.
          1. FID
            +3
            29 January 2013 16: 36
            Great, Sasha! Noisiness .... airplane - churn. And the noise is a duralumin case, no insulation. As far as I remember, the board is chilling, like a piece of ice, but an indestructible car!
            1. Alex 241
              +2
              29 January 2013 16: 38
              Hi Seryozha, a soldier’s plane, no frills, everything is subordinated to one goal — the fulfillment of a task.
              1. VAF
                VAF
                +2
                29 January 2013 17: 45
                Quote: Alex 241
                plane soldier, no frills


                Sanya and yes and no Li-2 (which DC-3 and S-47) are warriors, but the PS-84 is quite comfortable and the seats and soundproofing are at the level of and ... the flight attendants .. were present!

                1. Alex 241
                  +2
                  29 January 2013 18: 16
                  ...................................................................
                  1. Alex 241
                    +2
                    29 January 2013 18: 16
                    .................................................. ..............................
                    ...
            2. VAF
              VAF
              +2
              29 January 2013 17: 32
              Quote: SSI
              As far as I remember, the board is chilling, like a piece of ice, but an indestructible car!


              Seryozha, yes ... not a hot plane ... not at all, but because of .. indestructibility. so what quality what ..... like on a glider fellow
          2. VAF
            VAF
            +1
            29 January 2013 17: 31
            Quote: Alex 241
            flew the navigator on this machine


            Sanya, and .. a windsight in the window on a rope .. to measure the direction and speed of the wind wassat
            1. Alex 241
              +1
              29 January 2013 18: 01
              and a dumbbell in the navigator’s briefcase laughing
    2. Uncle Serozha
      +6
      29 January 2013 13: 08
      Quote: Nechai
      leaving the "higher political interests" was "pushed" aside OWN BEST car AN-28.

      ... and even not one. For the same reasons, the Be-30 did not go into mass production (only 8 cars were built).



      But this was an inevitable consequence of socialist integration - Czechs also needed to create jobs. For the same reason, it was decided to produce the Czech L-29 "Dolphin" trainer, which lost to our Yak-32 in a comparative competition, but was better adapted for Czech production. And the decision that the new car will be produced in the Czech Republic has already been made at the CMEA level. It's the same with L-410.
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +5
        29 January 2013 14: 22
        Quote: Uncle Seryozha
        For the same reasons, the Be-30 did not go into mass production.


        And here in general +++++++! drinks drinks drinks
      2. +1
        29 January 2013 17: 09
        An-28 did the Poles too? and it seems quite massively
    3. +1
      29 January 2013 13: 18
      An-28 - Ukrainian, and now Ukraine, unfortunately, is not much closer than the Czech Republic, in addition, the An-28 was produced in Poland. Here An-38 on its base was made at the NAPO im.Chkalova (if they do not lie) - an elongated version
    4. 0
      29 January 2013 14: 07
      Duc, this is our car, the same thing happens. Czechs do, and the owner is UMMC, our Ural.
  11. Nechai
    +4
    29 January 2013 13: 25
    Quote: Uncle Seryozha
    But this was an inevitable consequence of socialist integration - the Czechs also needed to create jobs

    Integration by integration. But it is in this and the cases you mentioned, I think it has nothing to do with it. As well as the technological and production capabilities of Czechoslovakia. Surrender is trite this banal PLAYING both with the ical leadership and with the society, apostle '68 ... Remember, they created the KRTP-81M "Ramona" and we ordered from them. BUT right away they launched work on the creation of OWN analogues ...
    In the photo is the Yak-32.
    The Yak-32 became the world's first training and sports aircraft equipped with an ejection seat.
    1. Uncle Serozha
      +4
      29 January 2013 14: 18
      Quote: Nechai
      integration by integration. But it is in this and the cases you mentioned, I think no reason. As well as technological and production capabilities of Czechoslovakia. For rent it is a trivial PLAYING and with a manual

      Yes, the "factor of 68" also took place. Creation of jobs for Czechs was also necessary in order to “sweeten the pill”. But this (IMHO) was not the main factor. Suffice it to recall Poland and the freedoms of 80. Yes, they were then crushed more quietly, not like the Czechs and without outside interference. But the Poles were really very angry and they also had problems with jobs. But no one created them for the Poles, despite this.
      Czech engineering has always been distinguished by a high culture (as the Wehrmacht recognized, and the Luftwaffe - the notorious Me-262 in the Czech Republic and were built), so there are many factors.
      By the way, about socialist integration. L-29 and, then, L-39 were standard TCB in all countries of the socialist camp, except ... yeah, that same Poland! They had their own TS-11 Iskra,



      So, evil tongues say that the Poles had such an internal CMEA deficit in the currency balance that they simply could not buy anything. For this reason, they were given serial production of both An-2 and Mi-2. They could not do anything serious, and the import / export balance had to be somehow kept. By the way, it was not possible to keep him inside the CMEA - the Poles began to wrestle in the West. Only then had to pay with interest, which led to the unrest of the 80s.
  12. +2
    29 January 2013 14: 05
    Yeah, we’ll probably build and open better than 300 super duper markets than build or equip our production, the economists are bad, it’s better to mine the shoemaker’s son ruled the country than the agents of the former Stasi and the CIA
  13. zemlyak
    +4
    29 January 2013 14: 44
    Cheburashka will be drafted into the army. I thought about AN-72 will be a speech, it was like `` Cheburashka '' was called for the location of the engines
    1. +2
      29 January 2013 15: 36
      well, so the An-72 has been working there a long time

      at least at the FSB border service
  14. Nechai
    +3
    29 January 2013 15: 12
    Quote: Uncle Seryozha
    they were given serial production of both An-2 and Mi-2.

    And before that, the GAZ-M-20 "Pobeda", renamed "Warsaw" ... And a lot more ...
    From the Czechs, and "our" BMPs they produced were purchased. In 84 (?) A train with them was driven to the repair base in Vozzhaevka. Some vrazhina sent them to ZabVO, and there, ring, already below -40C Bulo. The cooling system and engines shouted at all zero BMPs ...
  15. AK-47
    +1
    29 January 2013 16: 22
    ... modernized L-410 aircraft manufactured at the Czech plant Aircraft Industries ...

    In Soviet times, I had to fly it as a passenger, the impressions are excellent, the airplane is amazingly small and roomy.
    He flew at a low altitude, Ukrainian landscapes from the window are simply magnificent.
    They seem to still fly to Russia.

    1. VAF
      VAF
      +1
      29 January 2013 17: 48
      Quote: AK-47
      In Soviet times, I had to fly it as a passenger,


      I will share the same .. memories ..... once flew from Rostov to Voroshilovgrad, on the MVL with my wife, in July .... I am in uniform ...... my wife is poor .. the whole salon has been "used up", I would have been forced to wash (just kidding) if not for the form wink soldier
      1. Alex 241
        +1
        29 January 2013 17: 55
        Seryozha, I’m from Kupino to Novosib, also in form, I have suffered, I left him like a sailor laughing
  16. 0
    29 January 2013 17: 37
    Again trash from behind the hill ...
    Ordering military products abroad - undermines the sovereignty of the country!
    Their projects must be implemented!
  17. +1
    29 January 2013 19: 10
    A whole regiment of such sides is in Rtishchevo, Saratov region. Why buy new ones when their Kalashny row is there, upgrade. If, however, they did not sell out under Taburetkin. Aircraft is good, cadets climbed them for the first time.
  18. Phase
    +2
    29 January 2013 19: 43
    L-410 was a good machine. Yes, shaking a little, there was such a sin. I was pleased to fly on it. But generally Czech planes from the time of the socialist camp were considered good. L-200 Morava is still considered one of the most beautiful cars. Real air taxi. Were also in Aeroflot, while some woodpecker to the west did not try to steal. Then they cut everything.


    And one more Czech car - Zlin-326. They were in small numbers in our flying clubs, but they are remembered mainly from the movies. They played the role of Messers in our films, and the role of our Yak-52. The same "Only old men go to battle" remember ... laughing

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