The aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth of the British Navy will take part in NATO exercises as part of a defective AUG

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The aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth of the British Navy will take part in NATO exercises as part of a defective AUG

A British aircraft carrier is expected to take part in the maritime component of the highly publicized exercise. However, the British AUG includes, in addition to the Queen Elizabeth, the Type 23 frigate Somerset and two Tide-class tankers. It's difficult to say that this is an AUG. At the very least, the carrier strike group is inferior.

The participation of at least one of the two Type 45 destroyers currently stationed in Portsmouth has not yet been confirmed. Although it is theoretically possible for Diamond to participate, most likely this will not happen.



According to the latest information, the Vulcan-Phalanx systems on the Queen Elizabeth have not yet been installed, but are in warehouses in Portsmouth. It was suggested that instead of them, 40-MM Bofors assault rifles could be installed.

Nothing is known about the escort MAPL. Usually the AUG is accompanied by one MAPL. Considering the bleak state of the British submarine, the presence of the Estute is highly doubtful. But it is possible that the PLO will be provided by an American boat or a French one, there are just two of them, “in the north” they are “wiping themselves off”.

Thus, four Type 20 frigates and two Type 4 destroyers, which are formally considered “operational available,” cannot take part in the largest NATO exercise in more than 23 years. It must be understood that the condition of the ships is such that it is not even possible to simply go to sea in order to “indicate presence.”

In order for the AUG, at least from a distance, to look like a group, it is supposed to include one of the Bjork destroyers in its composition, one must understand from those that are based at a base in Spain. And as yet unnamed escort ships, Danish and Spanish. What it will be is difficult to say yet. Especially considering that one of the few Danish frigates went to the Red Sea.

The air group on the Queen Elizabeth has increased slightly compared to previous exercises - by four helicopters. The number of AWACS helicopters remained unchanged, two units, although this is one of the main components of ensuring the safety of both the aircraft carrier itself and the entire AUG.

The commander of the formation, Commodore James Blackmore, expressed cautious optimism that in 2024, while the Prince of Wales is preparing for a campaign in the East, the required number of F-35s will be based on its deck. But this is only “abstract reasoning” for now. In general, the idea was expressed, in order to save money, to have one air group for two aircraft carriers, since one of them will almost always be either in maintenance or under repair. However, nothing concrete has been announced by officials yet.

This is the situation at the beginning of the exercise, at least in its northern component, which covers the North Sea and possibly the western part of the Barents Sea.
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    1. 0
      4 February 2024 08: 21
      "Queen Elizabeth"
      Group "Queen", aircraft carrier "Queen..." It is not clear which is correct. And right there
      on the Queen Elizabeth
      you can get confused.
      1. -2
        4 February 2024 08: 33
        defective AUG
        Well, no matter what they have, everything is like people’s, even the AUG is inferior.
        1. Msi
          -1
          4 February 2024 09: 05
          Well, no matter what they have, they’re just like people.

          Really. Even the group is somehow strange, if you believe the author...
          The aircraft carrier strike group is incomplete.

          European values... request
        2. +3
          4 February 2024 09: 18
          But all our AUGs are full-fledged and combat-ready! Glory to the Russian Navy!
          1. 0
            4 February 2024 10: 59
            .........is Kuzya really in the ranks?)
            1. 0
              4 February 2024 12: 41
              No, they promised to hand it over to the fleet in 2024. When they deliver it, then we can say with confidence that it is in service.
              1. 0
                5 February 2024 06: 17
                ...I'm aware, but I've already been spanked, and for no reason.)
          2. 0
            4 February 2024 20: 38
            Quote: Cat Alexandrovich
            But all our AUGs are full-fledged and combat-ready! Glory to the Russian Navy!

            Sarcasm is okay on this site! wink wink
      2. +3
        4 February 2024 08: 38
        you can get confused.

        The author is confused. drinks
        1. -3
          4 February 2024 08: 55
          if he can get there with a crunch in his bones...
          1. 0
            4 February 2024 17: 14
            ha...the old queen didn’t arrive...they didn’t believe me.
        2. 0
          4 February 2024 12: 31
          What is the author confused about? Explain your idea
          1. 0
            4 February 2024 19: 45
            Nikolai, good evening. You are a visionary. We are waiting for an article tomorrow about English aircraft carriers. Pay attention to the shaft lines and the angles of their installation, something is wrong with aircraft carriers in England. The word is a great thing, with the word you are not sinking them yet, but you are breaking them with enviable consistency. Everything The aircraft carriers of England have already been broken. Shouldn’t you take a swing at the classics, you know, at the Americans themselves. laughing drinks hi
            1. +1
              4 February 2024 21: 37
              Thank you for your kind words, Andrey, glad to hear from you. But you somewhat overestimate my modest capabilities. I’ve just been interested in this issue for a long time and have been observing it. My opinion is that the British have forgotten how to build ships. Whatever they don’t build, thank God. I wrote about mattress aircraft carriers, but little by little, I don’t like lengthy articles - the meaning is lost.
              1. 0
                4 February 2024 21: 49
                The Americans know how to build warships, their discipline is “at the top of their game”, they even remove nuclear submarine commanders from combat duty. Probably, stray currents affect the body laughing What can be broken on the shaft line? Stern tube seal? How. I have a suspicion about the support bearings and the thrust bearing. But I’ve never had anything like this in my practice. It looks like the “Lizka” gave way and appeared in the bearings - ding, bang, bang. (as one of our senior mechanics explained breakdown of the MISH - a mechanism for changing the propeller pitch in a communication session with the shore). We will observe that the bearings weigh tons on such a shaft line. hiThe prince will be ready to go out in a week.
                1. 0
                  4 February 2024 22: 09
                  Yes, the Americans have not yet forgotten how to build, but even their construction time is already beginning to go beyond reasonable limits. Regarding the Lizki shafting, it’s not very clear what kind of “shafting coupling” this is? Perhaps something with GTZA? The design is quite complex, there are many shafts and bearings.
                  1. 0
                    4 February 2024 22: 33
                    A coupling is a connection, a GZTA with a shaft reducer, this is a structure weighing several tons. On the outer shell of the coupling there is friction material inside, on the GZTA shaft there is a simple “rubber wheel” to which air pressure is applied, it expands and engages with the outer shell and transmits torque to the gearbox and that to the shaft. The tires were torn, most likely determined by the constant operation of the compressor station. I changed one, it was fun, to such an extent that my grandfather fainted. We secured this matter, all that remained was to communicate the bolts, we went out for a smoke right in MKO and suddenly the automation of the gearbox engages our non-working line of the right engine with the working line of the left engine and the right engine started spinning. There were four of us at the installation, it would have been ground into mince. Violation of safety regulations. The ship should not have been moving and be in drift on diesel generators. This thing is called a coupling - the “Vulcan” type. If there is no coupling nearby in the MKO, the British are sure to have fun, it was huge, we had a diameter of about 2,5 meters, the main power in total was about 3600 horses. And Lizka is here.
      3. 0
        4 February 2024 10: 00
        THE MAIN THING is to show the unwavering support of NATO member countries (and candidate members) and the defense of Western “values”
      4. 0
        4 February 2024 12: 19
        Basically, it doesn't matter anymore. Information was received from London that the “Queen” had problems with the right shafting, and the “Prince” would go instead. But now the Red Sea definitely disappears. Because it is not known how long it will take to repair the Queen.
        1. 0
          4 February 2024 12: 49
          The "Prince of Wales" was repaired in September 2023, but first let it go to sea, the last time it was never able to leave the base and in general, it costs more time for repairs than it does at sea. The British with their aircraft carriers outdid our aging Kuzya.
          1. 0
            4 February 2024 12: 50
            Well, the “prince” went to America and even returned. For now, he’s “wow”))) we’ll see what happens next.
        2. 0
          4 February 2024 16: 47
          Misfortunes never cease to haunt the Royal Navy in Britain, which is why they have so many “queen-muinin” there.

          Information was received from London that the “Queen” had problems with the right shafting, and the “Prince” would go instead.

          But there is a slightly different report from London, according to which the newly built Prince of Wales will not go anywhere because it has engine problems. After their main aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth suffered an "unexpected" propeller shaft failure (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13042325/UKs-3-5bn-aircraft-carrier-HMS- Queen-Elizabeth-suffers-mechanical-fault-hours-setting-sail-Nato-exercise-latest-embarrassing-blow-Royal-Navy-months-fix.html). But it was precisely this that London intended to send to replace the American aircraft carrier Eisenhower, which suddenly desperately needed to return home.

          The British Admiralty tried very hard to lobby for the sending of an aircraft carrier to the Red Sea, but nothing worked. Now it has also become clear that the three British ships located there have other problems - two of them cannot even fire at ground targets.
          1. 0
            4 February 2024 16: 55
            I haven't heard anything about the Prince's problems. On the contrary, London officially notified that the transfer of everything and everyone from the “Queen” to the “Prince” would take about a week, after which it would go to sea.
            1. 0
              4 February 2024 17: 50
              I remember that the Prince of Wales in 2022 had a clutch failure on the right starboard propeller shaft. A detailed inspection revealed similar problems on the left propeller.

              At the same time, it was decided to “cannibalize” the aircraft carrier in order to reduce the time it would take for the flagship of the British fleet, the aircraft carrier Queen Elizabeth, to return to service.

              Could the decision to repair the flagship by removing components from another aircraft carrier be the reason why the Queen Elizabeth later suffered exactly the same breakdown?

              I read somewhere about a new breakdown of the “Prince of Wales” and, coupled with the above, everything turned out in the affirmative.
              1. 0
                4 February 2024 17: 57
                Well, then in 2022. Somehow he escaped to the eastern coast of America, and there he ran around at the training grounds. They even showed landings of Penguins and Ospreys. So it’s “on the go” for now. Although, such a start to the exercises cannot but rejoice; if the flagship fails on the first day, this cannot but rejoice)))
      5. 0
        4 February 2024 12: 30
        Z.Y. The British have two aircraft carriers. How can you get confused in them?
      6. +1
        4 February 2024 12: 52
        Quote: Anarchist
        Group "Queen", aircraft carrier "Queen..." It is not clear which is correct.

        The correct name would be "Kuni Elizabeth"
        Quote from Msi
        European values...

        The name must match.
        1. 0
          4 February 2024 14: 48
          What, are the minus players full?
          The flagship of the British fleet, HMS Queen Elizabeth, was unable to put to sea due to a broken starboard propeller shaft.

          The aircraft carrier was scheduled to sail to the shores of Norway on February 4 to participate in the first phase of NATO exercise Steadfast Defender. It was planned that he would arrive in the exercise area accompanied by eight ships - five more British, as well as American, Spanish and Danish...
          1. 0
            4 February 2024 14: 51
            Quote: Aerodrome
            What, are the minus players full?

            I did not minus you. hi request
          2. 0
            4 February 2024 17: 01
            About five - you got excited. It was supposed to be four and then, with reservations. True, if you count MAPL, if of course it is present, then yes - five.
    2. 0
      4 February 2024 08: 29
      So Lizka seemed to be going for repairs. Farewell tour?
      1. 0
        4 February 2024 12: 34
        Yes, I was going to, but later. And now, due to the problem of the right shafting, it may dock earlier. However, there is a problem - the Moscow Region does not have money for repairs. Fiscal year starts in April. So the repairs will most likely begin somewhere in May - June. In the meantime, it will stand at the pier in Portsmouth)))
    3. 0
      4 February 2024 08: 36
      “Chinese uncharted reef” under his stem. am
      1. 0
        4 February 2024 21: 48
        For days, news was circulating that “for the first time in a long time,” the United States deployed three of its aircraft carriers simultaneously in the Western Pacific Ocean.

        Don't even know how to react to this? Grandfather is either trying to remove his aircraft carriers even from the Mediterranean Sea and the Persian Gulf, or he himself is driving them close to the PRC and the DPRK.
    4. 0
      4 February 2024 08: 52
      Horatio Nelson spins in his coffin at supersonic speed.
      1. +2
        4 February 2024 09: 20
        Yes! With him, all the English AUGs were always in order!
      2. +2
        4 February 2024 09: 37
        From what? From an inferior aircraft carrier strike group?
      3. +1
        4 February 2024 10: 34
        No. Admiral Jellicoe is spinning in his grave.
    5. -2
      4 February 2024 08: 56
      To be honest, I don’t understand these aircraft carriers. They are needed to destroy the Papuans (may the Papuans forgive me). But for a serious war they are useless. And spending that kind of money to scare the Papuans, I don’t understand this. Okay, how far can a plane move away from an aircraft carrier? 500-600 km? I don't know. Maybe you know? If you know, tell me. So the aircraft carrier must approach a distance of about 600 km? How far do our missiles fly?
      1. +1
        4 February 2024 10: 42
        That is, you are denying their planes the opportunity to have missile weapons, only free-falling bombs? And our rockets fly far, as Zemfira sang)
        1. 0
          4 February 2024 10: 57
          No, of course not, they also have their advantages. But if we collide, it will show everything. But forgive me, sinking an aircraft carrier is quite easy, even if you take into account the destroyers and submarines in the carrier group. For some reason, during such discussions everyone forgets about the use of nuclear weapons.
          1. +1
            4 February 2024 12: 34
            sinking an aircraft carrier is quite easy

            Not really.
            The last time they were purposefully drowned was during WWII. But there were other aircraft carriers there, and the task turned out to be no easier than sinking a battleship.
            And after the war, it was determined experimentally that it is not easy to sink a ship of this class even with a nuclear warhead.
            1. 0
              4 February 2024 18: 26
              What? Do you even know what you're talking about? Can't drown a nuclear one? Okay, I'm off to bed, I can't read people like you anymore.
              1. +1
                4 February 2024 23: 23
                Do you even know what you're talking about? Can't drown a nuclear one?

                I - yes.
                Read at your leisure about the nuclear weapons tests on Bikin Atoll.
                The Americans were just blowing up ship groups.
      2. -1
        4 February 2024 15: 16
        “But for a serious war they are useless” ///
        ---
        Why do you think so?
        It can accommodate 24 F-35Bs
        That is, it can drop up to a hundred glide bombs on the enemy, while being at a great distance from coastal defense missiles or enemy ships.
        1. 0
          4 February 2024 17: 21
          Because when approaching the shores, it becomes a priority target and everything that flies at it will fly.
          1. 0
            4 February 2024 18: 09
            Well, actually, aircraft carriers are covered by air defense/missile defense destroyers.
            And Britain has 6 of them, modern
            1. 0
              4 February 2024 18: 14
              Yes, yes, I heard about it. You know what’s the matter, everyone believes in whatever they want, you in Britain, I in Russia, and until we face reality, we will not understand anything. Want a collision?
    6. -1
      4 February 2024 09: 21
      The former mistress of the seas has completely grown intolerance......
    7. HAM
      0
      4 February 2024 09: 26
      Cameron got very excited, he promises to tear us apart soon......he'll just paint the aircraft carrier.....and then oh....
    8. 0
      4 February 2024 09: 38
      Even American aircraft carriers do not enter the Western part of the Barnets Sea, so as not to tease us. It is impossible to be there unnoticed.
      1. +1
        4 February 2024 09: 48
        This is the fishing area of ​​Russian fishermen, and they are so curious like children. And it’s been a long time since they caught any nuclear submarines in trawls. And I really want to receive the “Fisherman of the Year” prize from the hands of the commander of the Northern Fleet.
      2. 0
        4 February 2024 12: 36
        Good afternoon Andrey, I apologize, I somehow made a mistake with the boundaries of the Barents Sea. They are unlikely to go east of the North Cape.
        1. 0
          4 February 2024 12: 48
          Nikolay, good afternoon. Yes, let them come, we also fish southwest of the North Cape. The area where the AUG traverse of Jan Mayen Island may appear is Iceland. I’m not kidding about the fisherman of the year. Every round date is 5 or 10 years, "Murmansk Trawl Fleet" organized banquets in the restaurant of the Arktika Hotel. The leadership of the Northern Fleet was invited without fail. And the commander of the Northern Fleet said a comic toast, not literally: stop catching our submarines, focus on the boats of the USA and England. Good catches. drinks
          1. +1
            4 February 2024 13: 02
            There were rumors in the USSR that some BMRTs worked not so much in the interests of the MRKh, but in the interests of the Navy. He graduated from the Kherson Marine Fishing Farm, he told me before, who served in the Northern Fleet.
            1. 0
              4 February 2024 13: 06
              The rumors have a basis, it happened, and not only did they work for the Navy. The topic is closed for me, forever.
    9. 0
      4 February 2024 09: 40
      Thus, four Type 20 frigates and two Type 4 destroyers, which are formally considered “operational available,” cannot take part in the largest NATO exercise in more than 23 years. It must be understood that the condition of the ships is such that it is not even possible to simply go to sea in order to “indicate presence.”
      So, did the rust eat you up, or did the sailor convert to LGBT?! laughing
      1. 0
        4 February 2024 12: 39
        Complex issue. But your two options seem to be the most preferable. I don’t know where exactly the sailor went - into LGBT or transgender, but the lack of l/s is now a very sore point for their Lordships. Evil tongues claim that the Bulvark has undergone repairs, but it is impossible to pull it out to sea, because there are not enough people even for combat units.
    10. 0
      4 February 2024 12: 22
      I understood how AUG stands for! American way of life - guano...
    11. 0
      4 February 2024 13: 23
      There is a feverish transfer of everything to the "Prince". It is expected that he will be able to go to sea within a week.
    12. 0
      4 February 2024 13: 33
      What is the likelihood that they will attack us under the guise of exercises?
      1. +1
        4 February 2024 15: 02
        Quote: Anton_from_Brest
        What is the likelihood that they will attack us under the guise of exercises?

        According to political scientists, it is extremely small. They are not ready military-technically. They don’t have gas defense equipment and their MBT reserves are also pretty bad. This is the first thing.
        Secondly, our Northern Fleet and the rest of the Armed Forces are transferred to increased levels of combat, and plans to repel a surprise attack are immediately being clarified. Fleet forces occupy initial positions (holding areas) for the first fleet operation. Well, etc. I’m not talking about strategic nuclear forces (Strategic Missile Forces, Early Warning Missile Forces, Aerospace Forces, etc.). It has its own kitchen, no worse than our Navy one! Yes
      2. +1
        4 February 2024 16: 58
        They will attack us - this is a missile-nuclear hack, for mutual destruction. Do they need it? People are accustomed to eating deliciously and drinking sweetly. Spend the rest of your life in a basement? Rewatch “Letters from a Dead Man” in your spare time, it’s impressive, you know.
    13. 0
      4 February 2024 17: 05
      I would like to sink this vessel. How are we doing with the production of marine drones? There was information about what we are doing, so we need to apply it. The Anglo-Saxons owe a debt.
    14. 0
      4 February 2024 18: 20
      Inferior AB - of an inferior country - as part of an inferior AUG - and in the Baltic laughing
    15. +1
      4 February 2024 18: 30
      And someone laughed at our old Kuzya ---
      1. 0
        4 February 2024 21: 51
        The British laughed loudest at Kuzi's black plume, but they turned out to be right about this: their aircraft carrier does not even smoke.
    16. 0
      4 February 2024 21: 53
      The Houthis have vowed to destroy all ships involved in the recent bombing of Yemen in the Red Sea.
    17. 0
      5 February 2024 19: 35
      The aircraft carrier Cooney Elizabeth is a very powerful unit of the British fleet. . . hi

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