“The Russians will tear themselves with their own claws”

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“The Russians will tear themselves with their own claws”
The sad result of the European choice


The split of the Russian world


The basis of the Polish doctrine: 1) there is a special Ukrainian identity (How did Ukraine originate?), “Ukrainians” are not Russians who live in “Muscovy”; 2) “Muscovites-Muscovites” are descendants of Finno-Ugrians and Turks, they are not genuine Russian Slavs. “Ukrainians” are the real heirs historical Russia.



Why did Polish leaders come up with a fairy tale that different peoples live in Little and Great Russia? The Polish gentlemen themselves answered this question well. Thus, the Polish revolutionary and general Ludwik Mieroslawski (1814–1878) wrote:

“Let’s throw fires and bombs beyond the Dnieper and Don, into the very heart of Rus'. Let us stir up controversy and hatred among the Russian people. The Russians will tear themselves with their own claws, and we will grow and become stronger.»

As we see in the present historical period, the enemies of Russia have completely achieved their goal. The Russian world is split. The Russians are cutting themselves down in a fratricidal massacre to the delight of our “partners” - the collective West, led by London, Brussels and Washington. And they just need to add firewood to keep the fire going. Money, weapon and ammunition. And the role of “cannon fodder” is played by the northern and southern Russians.

This invention “Ukrainian people” is very convenient. Russia was split into pieces, one of its oldest capitals, “the mother of Russian cities” - Kyiv - was taken away from it. Historical Kievan Rus. Little Russia and New Russia, which were completely created and equipped by Russian tsars and emperors. The Russian land, in the battles for which the Russian superethnos paid a terrible price with the Poles, Turks, Crimean Tatars and Germans, millions of lives were given for the unity of Rus'.

Ethnic chimera becomes political reality


The Ukrainian intelligentsia mastered this Polish doctrine well and made it their own. What’s interesting is that the Ukrainians themselves at the turn of the 19th–20th centuries. were a typical Russian common intelligentsia. Born into Russian, South Russian (Little Russian) families, they spoke Russian. The “Ukrainian language” was created on the basis of southern Russian dialects with the addition of Polish and German words. The creators themselves spoke it poorly.

In modern terms, it was a gaming subculture that played “ancient history of Ukraine” and “ancient Ukrainians.” An artificial language was created for it, history was written, and cultural elements were introduced (taken from the Cossacks and Polish lords).

Without external intervention, this subculture, an ethnic chimera, had no chance of success. The Little Russian villagers, not to mention the Novorossiysk working class, did not care about Ukrainians. Most of them didn’t even know anything about the “ancient Ukrainians” and their language. Almost no one read articles and brochures in Ukrainian Newspeak. In the cities of Little Russia they spoke the Russian literary language, in the villages they spoke South Russian dialects.

The intellectuals played and stroked their pride, and that was the end of it. However, the First World War was looming. Russia's opponents, especially the German world, needed a “fifth column” to destroy the Russian Empire. Therefore, the Germans (Austrians and Germans) took the “Ukrainian cause” into their prudent and skillful hands.

The Germans quickly realized the benefits of splitting the Russian world and pitting Russians against Russians. They planned to divide the Russian Empire into a dozen republics, and “Ukraine” occupied the main place in these plans. Even in the pre-war period, the Austrian authorities actively began to promote Ukrainianism on their territory, and subjected the Rusyn-Russians to repression. Russian Galicia was Ukrainized, the Russian movement was crushed. Russian activists, simply educated people who fought for their “Russianness,” were physically destroyed.

Anti-Russian, pro-Ukrainian propaganda was carried out in the style of inflating the “Russian threat”:

“We are irreconcilable enemies of the Russian Empire! We want her to die, we want to take Ukraine away from her. The states that are at war with Russia are thus our friends, because if they manage to defeat Russia, if Austria can annex part of Ukraine, this annexation will be a blessing for this country, freeing it from the Russian yoke and giving it the opportunity to live a free national life."

It is worth noting that at that time the Ukrainian-leaning Ukrainophiles acted as double traitors: they betrayed both the Russian Empire and their small homeland Little Russia - offering to give it into the hands of the Germans and Austria. Vienna was even going to place Archduke Wilhelm Franz of Habsburg-Lorraine on the “Ukrainian throne”. He was known under the pseudonym Vasil Vyshivany.

The European choice


It was then that the ideology of the unity of Ukraine and Western Europe was formed, which dominates in modern Ukraine. European choice, the desire to be part of European civilization, the European Union, NATO, etc.

Plus the understanding that without Little Russia the Russian world loses its integrity, unity and full strength:

“Without the annexation of the Ukrainian provinces, Russia's greatest defeat in this war will be only a slight wound, from which tsarism will recover in a short time and will continue to be a threat to the European world. Only a free Ukraine, allied with the Central Powers, thanks to its territory stretching from the Carpathians to the Don and the Black Sea, will be a sufficient barrier to protect Europe from Russia."

Everything was invented long before 1991, 2014 and 2022. Ukrainian identity, Ukraine-Rus, Asian Muscovites threatening Europe, independent Ukraine as part of European civilization and a “barrier” that should “save Europe,” etc.

Thus, thanks to the Germans, who during the First World War sought to dismember the Russian Empire, the Ukrainian chimera became an international affair. It was consistently used by the new Poland (the Second Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth since 1918), the Entente, and the Ukrainian Bandera Nazis were intercepted from the Third Reich by Britain and the United States. Since 1991, the Ukrainian project has again been used by the collective West, NATO against Russian civilization and the Russian superethnos.


Poster of Ukrainian nationalists. As Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said in 2016: “The Soviet Union is not in the document and not in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. The Soviet Union is in our heads. And in this sense, the USSR is still not buried. And, forgive my frankness, Ukraine is now fighting to bury the Soviet Union in the minds of some, because there is simply no other reason for war.”

Bolshevik contribution


Having won the civil war, suppressing the Petliurites, taking Kyiv and most of the Russian outskirts, the Bolsheviks could well have restored the unity of the Russian world, a united and indivisible Russia. However, on the contrary, the Ukrainian SSR was created by directive (How the Bolsheviks created Ukraine), transferring to it vast regions of New Russia, and the “Ukrainian people”, which included tens of millions of Little Russians. The Ukrainization of Little Rus' and Novorossiya begins.

However, firstly, Among the Bolsheviks, the positions of internationalists and Trotskyists were strong; they did not give a damn about the Russian world and the Russian people. They were counting on a world revolution. Moreover, Trotsky was generally ready to sacrifice Russia and Russians for the sake of the world revolution. This was one of the then global projects of the “new world order”.

From the point of view of internationalist revolutionaries, the various national republics that were part of the USSR were a convenient tool. They hoped that, following the example of the Ukrainian SSR, the Union would include the Polish, Baltic, Romanian, Hungarian, Austrian, Bulgarian, German and other Soviet republics. Marxism-socialism will win on earth. Global USSR. But these calculations failed.

Secondly, among the revolutionaries, obviously, there were enemies of historical Russia and the Russian people. They were real Russophobes. Like Trotsky. They hated “Russian great-power chauvinism.” Accordingly, the plans of the enemies of Rus'-Russia to dismember Russian civilization and the Russian people were received with a bang. Although under different slogans and reasons. Later, Stalin cleared out many enemies of the people, but the job was already done.

Stalin de facto restored the unity of the state, overt nationalism was suppressed. But he did not destroy the national republics. Obviously, he believed that there was no danger yet, there were more priority tasks.

This is a brief history of Ukraine. As the Russian politician Vasily Shulgin wrote:

“It was invented by the Poles (Count Jan Potocki); put on its feet by the Austro-Germans (“I made Ukraine!” - statement of General Hoffmann); but it was consolidated by the Bolsheviks..."
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  1. +19
    February 7 2024
    Thus, thanks to the Germans, who during the First World War sought to dismember the Russian Empire, the Ukrainian chimera became an international affair. It was consistently used by the new Poland (the Second Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth since 1918), the Entente, and the Ukrainian Bandera Nazis were intercepted from the Third Reich by Britain and the United States. Since 1991, the Ukrainian project has again been used by the collective West, NATO against Russian civilization and the Russian superethnos.


    My own experience of communicating with ethnic Poles, Germans and French does not confirm their negative attitude towards Russia. Rather, behind this there is a third force of influence on the government.
    1. +14
      February 7 2024
      Quote from Eugene Zaboy
      My own experience of communicating with ethnic Poles, Germans and French does not confirm their negative attitude towards Russia. Rather, behind this there is a third force of influence on the government.
      After viewing this article, I also thought that it is not the Poles themselves (Germans, French, Belgians) who decide anything. Third force. Who is this ? What is this ? World government, gray cardinals who decide what the world will be like, who to rob, who to destroy? . So who is this? These are not Russophobes, or some hypothetical schizophrenics. These are cold, without pity, sympathy, calculating, greedy people, (are they people?) sitting on bags of gold, living off the life blood of other peoples. Deciding who lives and who dies. Scarier than Hitler and the Nazis.
      1. +6
        February 7 2024
        Not Jews, by any chance!? As if everything points to this scum! They don’t even spare their own people, time has shown!!!
        1. +1
          February 8 2024
          Quote: sergnow
          Not Jews, by any chance!? As if everything points to this scum! They don’t even spare their own people, time has shown!!!


          It is unlikely that this community is characterized by national characteristics.
          1. 0
            February 8 2024
            Quote from Eugene Zaboy
            Quote: sergnow
            Not Jews, by any chance!? As if everything points to this scum! They don’t even spare their own people, time has shown!!!


            It is unlikely that this community is characterized by national characteristics.

            Exactly . Above the national community.
      2. +2
        February 8 2024
        It is the world government - its name is the globalists, who are consistently and persistently creating “their own global state.” A state in which there will be no national division, but only masters and slaves. And believe me, this is not my “sick fantasy”, read the book. "A Brief History of the Future." This is not science fiction, its author is quite a serious gentleman, an adviser to three French presidents.
    2. +1
      February 13 2024
      Quote from Eugene Zaboy
      My own experience of communicating with ethnic Poles, Germans and French does not confirm their negative attitude towards Russia

      As with the Czechs, Spaniards, British, Americans, etc. But you have not communicated with their “elite”, which determines the direction of policy and propaganda.
      1. +1
        February 13 2024
        Quote: goose
        As with the Czechs, Spaniards, British, Americans, etc. But you have not communicated with their “elite”, which determines the direction of policy and propaganda.


        It seems that it is not “their elite that determines the direction of policy,” but an organized implementation of the plan drawn up for it for decades to come. That's why war was declared on Trump, because he decided to deviate from this plan.
  2. +14
    February 7 2024
    The “Ukrainian language” was created on the basis of southern Russian dialects with the addition of Polish and German words. The creators themselves spoke it poorly.

    But the lion's share of words there are deliberately distorted Russian words or simply made up.
    It’s funny that Russian speakers in Ukraine, on the one hand, are well aware of this, but on the other hand, they fly into wild rage when you poke their noses at these moronic, ridiculous, artificial-sounding words.

    One of my acquaintances in Ukraine, Russian to the core, a teacher at the institute since Soviet times, became an ardent nationalist in his old age. He probably even stopped washing, so as not to part with his embroidered shirt even for a moment (I’ll have to write to him someday to also put on trousers).

    Recently I posted a poster on Facebook with the caption:
    Does language matter? Get to Rostov!
    (Language getting in the way? Off to Rostov!)
    1. +8
      February 7 2024
      One of my acquaintances in Ukraine, Russian to the core, a teacher at the institute since Soviet times, became an ardent nationalist in his old age.
      That’s why propaganda exists, to change people’s worldviews in the right direction:
      If you constantly tell a person that he is a “pig,” then he will actually grunt in the end.
    2. +4
      February 7 2024
      I would still like to clarify...

      The Bolsheviks did not create “Ukraine”, but precisely SOVIET Ukraine. And this is CRITICALLY important...

      Moreover, they created and “directively” consolidated it in the form of the Ukrainian SSR, on a territory that was already EXTREMELY polluted with the spirit of Ukrainian nationalism. And the eradication of this nationalism, even in calm and peaceful conditions, OBJECTIVELY required DECADES of planned and CONSISTENT work....
      1. +2
        February 7 2024
        Quote: ABC-schütze
        ...The Bolsheviks did not create "Ukraine", but precisely SOVIET Ukraine. And this is CRITICALLY important.
        Moreover, they created and “directively” consolidated it in the form of the Ukrainian SSR, on a territory that was already EXTREMELY polluted with the spirit of Ukrainian nationalism....

        What do you mean to say that our main “analyst” of historical processes was again mistaken about the “bonba” V.I. Lenin or was he again deceived by the court speechwriters? lol
        If Ukraine was polluted with nationalism before the revolution by the Poles, who until a certain time were part of this most spiritually strong Russian Empire, to the origins of which we are now frantically striving, then what happens?
        Are we continuing the policy of eradicating internationalism and replacing it with spiritually strong nationalism?
        Rake, our everything! This is our bond laughing
        1. +2
          February 8 2024
          “If Ukraine was polluted with nationalism before the revolution by the Poles, who until a certain time were part of this very spiritual Russian Empire,...”
          *****************
          No...

          aggressive nationalism and national separatism VERY QUICKLY sprouted in the MASS consciousness precisely during the period of the COLLAPSE of the Russian Empire, i.e. in 1916 - 1919 And it was stimulated not only by the Germans and Poles, but also by the Anglo-Saxons, the French and other riffraff...

          And not only “Ukrainian”, but also Chukhon, and other farmsteads in the territories of the Baltic provinces, Georgian, Armenian and Azerbaijani in the Caucasus, in Central Asia. Even the “Cossack” on the Don, by the way...

          Weeds, unless you start to fight them promptly, intensively and CONSTANTLY, germinate very quickly. And they take root deeply...
    3. -1
      February 14 2024
      "One of my acquaintances in Ukraine, Russian to the core."
      What kind of Russian is he?))))
      1. +1
        February 15 2024
        Nagaibak (Andrey). Yesterday, 14:54. New. yours - "..."One of my acquaintances in Ukraine, Russian to the core.".."...What kind of Russian is he?))))..."

        Respected.
        1. If mom and dad. Grandfathers and grandmothers are Russian. That. who's the baby!? feel
        2. The issue is not his genetics. but in his BRAINS. Who owns the brains of MASS. He MANAGES THEM. am
        a) Historical example. but here it’s “red and white”:
        The story “The Birthmark” by Sholokhov was written in 1924 and was subsequently included in the collection “Don Stories”, the main theme of which was the civil war on the Don. In the title of the work “Birthmark” a symbol of the ancestral connection of close people was brought out, whom fate not only separated, but also placed on opposite sides of the barricades in a bloody civil war. The same birthmark on the left leg of both of them, “just above the ankle, the size of a pigeon’s egg” is the only evidence of the blood ties between the father and son of the Koshevos. The theme of the story “The Birthmark” is fratricide, the split of the country into two camps, and civil war. The idea of ​​the work is to show the national tragedy of the civil war, the meaninglessness of the war itself, where there are no winners, to show the mutilated and destroyed lives of people. Human grief, a father kills his son, so that he can then shoot himself from the realization of his own guilt. Sholokhov showed the truth of a terrible time, the horrors of the civil war and its influence on people's destinies.
        b) it’s even more “fun” here. A family of Russian teachers sent under the USSR to the outback of Azerbaijan had a small child left. Parents died. The child was taken in by a local family. visible or not reported. or no relatives were found. Everyone in the village was having fun. that he was already an adult guy with light brown hair and a growing mustache and beard. blue eyes. screaming. gesticulated and got angry. as an Azerbaijani. when they called him RUSSIAN! The story of an Azerbaijani warrant officer towards the end and collapse of the USSR...
        c) even from a forest animal (wolf, lynx and...) you can raise a true friend...
        and from a cute puppy of a domestic dog into an evil bloody monster...
        R.S. As the CLASSIC said - "...BEAT determines CONSCIOUSNESS...!" hi
        1. -1
          February 17 2024
          Why did you sculpt this footcloth here?))) What you wrote is already clear. As a result, the person became not Russian. I don’t care who his dad and mom are.))) Or is something wrong?)))
  3. +13
    February 7 2024
    Among the Bolsheviks, the positions of internationalists and Trotskyists were strong; they did not give a damn about the Russian world and the Russian people. They were counting on a world revolution.
    May be. However, the author did not mention the complete failure of the policy of the “young state” of the Russian Federation regarding Ukraine in the first place.
    And secondly, the author, and many others, however, do not mention in any way, and certainly do not explain, the fact that under the Bolshevik communists, Russians in purely Russian cities and regions did not know about any “national” diasporas, much less were no longer oppressed by the ever-growing mass of “valuable specialists”.
    1. +9
      February 7 2024
      The author has a primitive understanding of what is happening. These are not the Germans and the Poles (although they are making their contribution). There are more serious gentlemen in the world military-political and, above all, in the financial and economic elite
      1. +2
        February 7 2024
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        These are not Germans and Poles (although they make their contribution).

        Now others have indeed taken over their primacy, but it was they who laid the foundation of Russophobia in Ukraine.
      2. 0
        February 7 2024
        Yes, you, are you so afraid of this word - JEWS! They themselves put on the banking harness and created their own holocaust
    2. -1
      February 7 2024
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      However, the author did not mention the complete failure of the policy of the “young state” of the Russian Federation regarding Ukraine in the first place.

      And what kind of politics could there be with the US colony?
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      the fact that under the Bolshevik communists Russians in purely Russian cities and regions did not know

      Because they were all fed at the expense of the Russians in their republics.
      1. +1
        February 7 2024
        Quote: Dart2027
        And what kind of politics could there be with the US colony?

        Who is this about? Russian Federation or outskirts? If we were talking about Ukraine, then why did they cajole us with ultra-cheap gas?

        Quote: Dart2027
        Because they were all fed at the expense of the Russians in their republics.
        This could be written about the Balts and Transcaucasia with Ukraine, but not about Central Asia, no need. Cotton and all sorts of polymetals with uranium fully paid for the subsidies.
        1. +1
          February 7 2024
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          If we were talking about Ukraine, then why did they cajole us with ultra-cheap gas?

          Otherwise, they would still steal it, because the pipe was laid through them.
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          This could be written about the Balts and Transcaucasia with Ukraine, but not about Central Asia, no need.

          Only the RSFSR and the BSSR were not subsidized.
          1. +1
            February 7 2024
            Quote: Dart2027
            Otherwise, they would still steal it, because the pipe was laid through them.

            This is called a failure, and a shameful one, in politics.

            Quote: Dart2027
            Only the RSFSR and the BSSR were not subsidized.
            Subsidies ensured then, and now, the coherence of the country, if you are not aware, for example, the Far East is subsidized, what a surprise...
            And ultra-cheap gas “so as not to be stolen” is not a subsidy, or what? Or there are a lot of “specialists” who are treated and taught - what is this?
            1. +2
              February 7 2024
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              failure, and a shameful one, in politics
              No, it’s shameful when a country is ruined by its elite.
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Subsidies ensured then, and now, the coherence of the country, if you are not aware
              I know, but don’t lie that they provided for themselves. And when they date so that everyone has approximately the same level, this is one thing, but when someone is older, this is another.
              1. 0
                February 8 2024
                Quote: Dart2027
                No, it’s shameful when a country is ruined by its elite.
                Is this about Russia in the 90s? And this is not the answer to this question:
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                And ultra-cheap gas “so as not to be stolen” is not a subsidy, or what? Or there are a lot of “specialists” who are treated and taught - what is this?




                Quote: Dart2027
                I know, but don’t lie that they provided for themselves. And when they date so that everyone has approximately the same level, this is one thing, but when someone is older, this is another.
                If you imagine that in Soviet Central Asia the average standard of living was higher than in the RSFSR, you are very mistaken. No, well, maybe it would be nice to manage things in the English style, but not for long, and certainly neither China, nor Cuba, nor Vietnam, nor Real Korea would follow Russia in this case, which means Russia would no longer exist.

                In short, there is no answer, just a blurring of the topic:

                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                And secondly, the author, and many others, however, do not mention in any way, and certainly do not explain, the fact that under the Bolshevik communists, Russians in purely Russian cities and regions did not know about any “national” diasporas, much less were no longer oppressed by the ever-growing mass of “valuable specialists”.
      2. +3
        February 7 2024
        How they fed not only Ukrainians, but half the world
    3. 0
      February 7 2024
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      May be. However, the author did not mention the complete failure of the policy of the “young state” of the Russian Federation regarding Ukraine in the first place.

      Just don’t equate Russia with the drunkard who ruled it then.
      1. +1
        February 8 2024
        Quote: guest
        Just don’t equate Russia with the drunkard who ruled it then.

        Why is it possible for the current President of Russia to do this, but not for me?
  4. +9
    February 7 2024
    Samsonov never studied Russian history. What directive creation of Ukraine are we talking about? Haven’t you heard about the political situation at that time?
    Reproaching those times, tell us about now.
  5. +7
    February 7 2024
    However, on the contrary, the Ukrainian SSR was created by directive
    In the same way, they created the TSFSR, the BSSR... And in 1936, they finally carried out national demarcation and created the Central Asian Soviet republics in Transcaucasia. And later the Baltic Soviet republics and Soviet Moldova
  6. +5
    February 7 2024
    Enough of these “non-concepts” about the divided Russian world. Those who have no thoughts about Mother Russia and whose soul is not in unison with Russia have nothing to do with the Russian world. Whether they were at least a thousand times Slavic, a hundred times Orthodox and a million times “patriots” of the Russian world. . What, the “patriots” of the Russian world, the Ukrainians, as it turns out according to the author of the article, American missiles and German Leopard tanks were shoved as a load onto berets, boots or coats, or they themselves begged them from the enemies of Russia in order to kill those whose thoughts about Mother Russia and whose soul is in unison with Russia. ?
    Time, which creates the History of Russia, chose from the millennium precisely modernity, precisely today’s days, so that once and for all the Russian world, being cleansed of deceit, would understand who is its enemy and who is its friend, and this cleansing was completed today once and for all, although all sorts of Poland and Britain will be “teach” with whom Russia is on its way, and whom Russia should, as you see, betray and abandon..
  7. +22
    February 7 2024
    the Bolsheviks could well restore the unity of the Russian world, a united and indivisible Russia

    The author falls into fierce Putinism, which is characterized by ignoring history, belief in the omnipotence of the Bolsheviks and at the same time belief in their incredible malice, and therefore guilt for absolutely everything.

    If we remember history, the trouble with Ukraine began with the Ukrainian Central Rada, which from the very beginning set a course for secession, albeit through negotiations with the Provisional Government. An independent army, government bodies, etc., etc. were formed. In contrast, the Bolsheviks created a system of Soviets, which led to the emergence of the Ukrainian People's Republic of Soviets, which was part of a federation with Soviet Russia.

    What followed was a whole series of events, as a result of which the Bolsheviks won. But! The Ukrainian comrades, who at that time had military force in the form of the Chervony Cossacks and other formations, for a number of reasons set an indispensable condition - yes, we are for socialism, yes, we are for a common Soviet state, but in the form of our own republic. Like - we want to steer some things ourselves. By the way, the same conditions were put forward by other outskirts of the former Republic of Ingushetia.

    And - what should Lenin have done?? To unleash the First Socialist War, for the unity of the Russian world? Yes? Did he have bayonets for this? Soviet Russia already had plenty of enemies, and civilian Russia caused colossal economic damage to the country. In such conditions, there was only one sane option - to agree to the Federation of Soviet Republics. Any alternative option inevitably led to the collapse of the young Soviet state. So, if not for the Bolsheviks, Russia would have reached its current state 100 years ago.
    1. +16
      February 7 2024
      The author does not “fall in”, but is initially a victim of the Unified State Examination. Lenin allegedly only had to sign another decree, and the Unity of the Russian World would be restored. And now taking Avdeevka is a big problem for the Russian world.

      Let the author better read how Trotsky took Kyiv, first drove Denikin into the neck, and then the Poles. THIS is the restoration of the Russian World. Which in practice the Jew had to deal with.

      Grown-up guys with higher education, but they reason like children.
      1. -1
        February 7 2024
        The author does not “fall in”, but is initially a victim of the Unified State Examination

        The Unified State Exam does not have such a destructive effect. The effect of the processing products of Papaver somniferum or lysergic acid is clearly visible here.
    2. +5
      February 7 2024
      if the Bolsheviks did everything correctly, then tell me who cut the borders of the newly created pseudo-states so boldly, contrary to historical facts
      1. +8
        February 7 2024
        Once again, the Bolsheviks did not do everything right, they did what was possible. Vulgaris - they simply bought the consent of the national forces of the outskirts to create a unified Soviet state. By naturally making concessions on many issues...

        In addition, you proceed from knowledge of current realities, the collapse of the Union in the republics. But do you really think that this is exactly what the Bolsheviks planned?? And within the framework of one Soviet country - who cared who, say, Crimea is administratively subordinate to??

        And the borders were not created for national reasons. But rather economic and political.
        1. +1
          February 7 2024
          Quote: paul3390
          And within the framework of one Soviet country - who cared who, say, Crimea is administratively subordinate to??

          Well then, why was it transferred, like everything else?
          Quote: paul3390
          they simply bought the consent of the national forces of the outskirts to create a unified Soviet state

          But what about the mantras that they supposedly fought against nationalism?
          1. +2
            February 7 2024
            And no one understood this, why...

            Of course we fought. How could they? Here is Putin - he didn’t win the Chechen wars, he simply bought them off. Is not it? Why don’t you reproach him for such tactics? He had noticeably more strength in tea than Lenin had in 1920..
            1. +2
              February 7 2024
              Quote: paul3390
              Here is Putin - he didn’t win the Chechen wars, he simply bought them off.

              Will there be payment receipts? No one asked, no one saw it.
      2. +9
        February 7 2024
        In! Another believer that Lenin could, with the stroke of a pen, “cut something up...”
        Taking a village now is a big victory, but then it was different... just go ahead as you wish...

        The British were famously able to cut borders when they left their colonial possessions. And this became the cause of endless strife.

        In the USSR, borders did not interfere with anyone.....Even during WWII. But the Bolsheviks could not foresee that dancers would come for whom even their balls were in the way. Judging by the demographics. And even more so the borders.
        Everything bothers fools!
        1. +5
          February 7 2024
          Quote: ivan2022
          Everything bothers fools!
          The author probably already forgot that in 1991, US President Bush personally came to Ukraine and asked to remain part of Russia. And he called the collapse of the USSR “My most important defeat.”
          1. +2
            February 7 2024
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            And he called the collapse of the USSR “My most important defeat.”

            Because he was sure that the old system would remain, when all these “brotherly republics” sat on the neck of the RSFSR.
          2. 0
            February 9 2024
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Quote: ivan2022
            Everything bothers fools!
            The author probably already forgot that in 1991, US President Bush personally came to Ukraine and asked to remain part of Russia. And he called the collapse of the USSR “My most important defeat.”
            So what? Where is the logic?
            Bush was, first of all, smart.
            And secondly, he called for the creation of a renewed union of 9 republics.
            Third, not everyone in the US supported Bush. Bush was not a Tsar.

            But Yeltsin was actually the Tsar and at the same time a virtual cretin in politics.

            As Zadornov said: “this is only for us.” Because, at least, not everyone in the United States supported the smart Bush, but almost everyone supported the stupid drunk Yeltsin.

            You can object as much as you like because the main thing for you is obviously to contradict..... Although there is zero logic.
    3. +3
      February 7 2024
      The “mutnyak” with Ukraine began with.... Peter I. After his actions on the lands of the Sich Cossacks and Little Russia, after the betrayal of Mazepa.
      1. +2
        February 7 2024
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        The “mutnyak” with Ukraine began with.... Peter I.

        Nope... under Peter, the confusion only continued. Remember bokhatvector the policies of Hetman Khmelnytsky during the reign of Peter I’s father, Alexey Mikhailovich “The Quietest.”
        1. +2
          February 7 2024
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Nope... under Peter, the confusion only continued. Remember the bohat-vector policy of Hetman Khmelnytsky during the reign of Peter I’s father, Alexey Mikhailovich “The Quietest”.
          Well, yes, they were especially happy with Chernaya when Yakim Somko was handed over to Hetman Bryukhovetsky for execution, with the connivance of the tsar’s representative Daniil Velikogagin.

          The Pereyaslavl voivode, Prince Vasily Volkonsky-Verigin, having learned about the displacement of Yakim Somko, announced to Bryukhovetsky’s envoys who arrived with this news:
          ... you are thin people, pigs, became the authorities and elected the same pig, a thin man, as hetman, and the best people, the female from the gang, were excommunicated from the authorities
    4. -2
      February 7 2024
      Don't write on topics you don't know. The Bolsheviks had two projects for the USSR and both were working. One project by Stalin, in fact without national republics with the right to secede, the second project by Lenin, which was accepted. By planting not even a mine under the USSR, but a normal bomb, as Putin correctly says. Any of the two projects could have been accepted, the Bolshevik victory was complete, there could be no civil war.
      1. 0
        February 7 2024
        Do you guys know everything? Don't take on too much? Is the halo not pressing?
        1. 0
          February 7 2024
          No.

          The text of your comment is too short and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information.
          1. +3
            February 7 2024
            Noticeable. Otherwise, they wouldn’t be talking nonsense. And they asked why the Stalinist project of autonomies did not pass. And - what, in fact, prevented Comrade Stalin from transforming the USSR according to his vision, when in the 30s he received full power. Who would have objected to him then? This is what is called - possession of information, and not repeating other people’s not very smart propaganda..

            Again, all the masters use Lenin to crumble the loaf. Well, why does the great Putin still abandon the federal structure of the Russian Federation? After all, this is no less a bomb, Avon - what is Chechnya alone worth? After a quarter of a century of sitting on the throne, could he somehow defuse this bomb? So what then? Why doesn’t he do it, but only nods at the damned commies? What do you think?
  8. +10
    February 7 2024
    An old song in a new way. Again, everyone is to blame, but not us. There are enemies on all sides and we have neither friends nor allies, but what does the Russian government have to do with it? The article is purely an excuse for the toothlessness, inactivity and impotence of the current regime in Russia.
  9. +4
    February 7 2024
    There is no need to neglect internal reasons. The same thing happened in Kuban, in the Urals, and you never know where else when it came to the central government in Moscow and the degree of federalism. We are not Russians were heard from everywhere. Accordingly, the decisions made then, like the Brest-Litovsk Treaty, were diplomatic steps towards a meeting. If you want to be like that, be healthy; in the Soviet state, it is not the ethnicity of this or that citizen that is important, but his political orientation.
  10. +5
    February 7 2024
    Among the Bolsheviks, the positions of internationalists and Trotskyists were strong; they did not give a damn about the Russian world and the Russian people. They were counting on a world revolution.

    ...
    Secondly, among the revolutionaries, obviously, there were enemies of historical Russia and the Russian people. They were real Russophobes. Like Trotsky. They hated “Russian great-power chauvinism.”

    ...
    Later, Stalin cleared out many enemies of the people, but the job was already done.
    Stalin de facto restored the unity of the state, overt nationalism was suppressed. But he did not destroy the national republics.


    I believe that Stalin (as well as Lenin) also hated “Russian great-power chauvinism.” I hate him too. Like any other “great power chauvinism”. Were Stalin and Lenin internationalists? Yes. Like any other communists. The author himself asserts that Stalin was an internationalist, otherwise why did he “suppress” nationalism? His article speaks about Lenin’s internationalism: “On the national pride of the Great Russians.” If Lenin and Stalin were internationalists, then according to the author’s logic they were also “Russophobes.” Trotsky was an internationalist - this is his shortcoming. But Lenin and Stalin were internationalists - this is their dignity. A contradiction, however!

    Why did Stalin not destroy national republics, while being an internationalist? Read Stalin's article "Marxism and the National Question." In order for something to happen, the conditions must be ripe for it. And not all at once. The Bolsheviks, having complete power in the country, hoped to create these conditions.
    1. -2
      February 7 2024
      Quote: big_fun
      also hated “Russian great-power chauvinism”

      So the USSR is BLM where the Russians are to blame for everything?
  11. -2
    February 7 2024
    The Poles don’t see that they are on the same path? The paths of an exceptional nation that was offended by Russia. And they know all this from politicians and the media
  12. +6
    February 7 2024
    Quote: ivan2022
    In the USSR, borders did not interfere with anyone.....Even during WWII. But the Bolsheviks could not foresee that dancers would come for whom even their balls were in the way. Judging by the demographics. And even more so the borders

    Totally agree!
  13. -3
    February 7 2024
    The enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people first divided the USSR among themselves against the will of the majority of voters in a referendum on preserving the USSR and cowardly blamed it on the communists, began to start wars for territory against each other, and again blamed it on the Bolshevik communists.
    Russian enemies of the USSR accuse the Bolsheviks of creating Ukraine, and Ukrainian enemies of the Bolsheviks accuse them of causing a “Holodomor” in order to destroy the national identity of Ukrainians. And even now, fighting against each other, they do not stop all together spreading anger against the Soviet communists.
  14. +3
    February 7 2024
    Ugh. Another PR.
    Not a word about the fact that the current nationalism was financed by the Oligarchs, including the Russians. (about which the words of both Strelkov and the Duma deputies broke through the taboo)
    Now - the oligarchs and officials are sitting in safety, going to Dubai, enjoying life, and the photo "The sad result of the European choice" about common people - evokes the phrase "who did it, who did it" by Galustyan...
  15. +1
    February 7 2024
    The author is just kidding.
    1. +5
      February 7 2024
      You're wrong, he believes it...
      1. +3
        February 7 2024
        Quote: kor1vet1974
        You're wrong, he believes it...


        How can this be? IMHO, just a joke, because there is a blunder on a blunder, a stamp on a stamp and excerpts from Soviet propaganda, which even then were not always believed.
        1. +1
          February 7 2024
          Check out his previous articles on this topic, unwavering faith, like in the world revolution.
        2. +2
          February 7 2024
          How can this be?

          A naive question. Maybe not like that. Auschwitz-Birkenau is proof of this. The author is from the category from which, under appropriate circumstances, individuals of the Wigand type are obtained.
          1. +2
            February 7 2024
            Quote: Dekabrist
            The author is from the category from which, under appropriate circumstances, individuals of the Wigand type are obtained.


            In this case, the author is kidding. As far as I understand, Wigand was an ordinary sadist, without any faith in any ideals.

            Although, to be honest, I try to be less interested in such individuals - it’s disgusting, and besides, my faith in humanity, which I try my best not to lose, suffers.
            1. 0
              February 7 2024
              As far as I understand, Wigand was an ordinary sadist, without any belief in any ideals

              Here you are very mistaken. Radical nationalism. It is enough to trace his career - “Black Reichswehr”, “Steel Helmet”, SS. Figures like Baron Eberstein do not count ordinary sadists of proletarian origin as close friends.
              1. +2
                February 7 2024
                Quote: Dekabrist
                As far as I understand, Wigand was an ordinary sadist, without any belief in any ideals

                Here you are very mistaken. Radical nationalism. It is enough to trace his career - “Black Reichswehr”, “Steel Helmet”, SS. Figures like Baron Eberstein do not count ordinary sadists of proletarian origin as close friends.


                Perhaps I have the most superficial knowledge.

                I saw information that his “friends” accused him of embezzlement, of appropriating the property of those whom he handed over for destruction. That is, radical nationalism helped him to steal something and compensate for his proletarian origin, hardly the other way around. My point is that this behavior is somehow not similar to the behavior of a fanatic devoted to the idea.

                But perhaps these were intra-clan squabbles.

                After the war, he was never punished as he deserved; he got out of it, although some people got more for lesser sins. Such a villain, he got off so easily.
                1. +3
                  February 7 2024
                  After the war he was never punished as he deserved, he got out

                  And his personal lawyer, Jürgen Rieger, an ardent admirer of Hans Günther and his National Socialist racial ideology, and the author of all sorts of studies on the topic of “superethnos,” helped him get out.
                  1. +1
                    February 8 2024
                    Quote: Dekabrist
                    And his personal lawyer, Jürgen Rieger, an ardent admirer of Hans Günther and his National Socialist racial ideology, and the author of all sorts of studies on the topic of “superethnos,” helped him get out.
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                    Quote


                    It looks like you are right - a convinced Nazi.
  16. +3
    February 7 2024
    Quote: fetish of Samsonov and Co
    superethnos

    What might be appropriate in the field of social anthropology or ethnology, Samsonov and So reduce to the banal eugenic paradigm of “Uber- and Untermensch”. At the same time, without realizing the emerging allologism in the denial of “Great Russian chauvinism.” Commentators are not far behind in enhancing the effect of this illogicality. For example
    Quote: one of the commentators
    ...you rub your nose into these moronic, ridiculous, artificial-sounding words

    The author, puppeted in his exaltation, again steps on the rake that he trampled on in his previous piece called “How Ukraine arose” (https://topwar.ru/235283-kak-vozniklo-ukrainstvo.html).
    As Russian politician Vasily Shulgin wrote:

    I'll just copy my message from that article.
    Quote: repetition is the mother of learning
    Concurrently, a member of the “School of Fascism” at the emigrant Union of Monarchists, the author of the words “I am a Russian fascist,” a participant in subversive activities against the USSR as part of the EMRO. An excellent authority on issues of national politics.
  17. +3
    February 7 2024
    The “Ukrainian language” was created on the basis of southern Russian dialects with the addition of Polish and German words.
    Yeah, and in order to spread it, they created free schools for villagers, where they were retrained from Russian to Ukrainian, and apparently everyone from children to adults studied there, published books and newspapers in the Ukrainian language.. So, then Little Russia-Ukraine should was to be the region with the highest literacy by 1917 laughing
  18. BAI
    +3
    February 7 2024
    Like it or not, the population of Ukraine has become an independent nation. A young, but still full-fledged nation. And only recognition of this fact will help to avoid many mistakes in the future. First of all, forget about the “brotherly” people.
    By the way, there is some kind of cognitive dissonance. On the one hand, although they are “brotherly”, they are people; on the other hand, there are no Ukrainian people, there are Russians.
    1. 0
      February 7 2024
      BAI! During his presidency, Kuchma said “Not only nations create states, but the state also creates a nation.” Judging by the fact that the overwhelming majority of prisoners speak Russian, there is still a long way to go before the creation of a nation. The state and nation are created by the people at the helm of the state, that is, those who have the right to make decisions, and all this is supported by the budget.
    2. +2
      February 7 2024
      Quote: BAI
      Like it or not, the population of Ukraine has become an independent nation. A young, but still full-fledged nation. .

      Are there inferior nations? You are speaking directly to the Fuhrer. The history of peoples is the history of their moral ups and downs. People understood this even before the new era; “Deuteronomy” chapter 28. A people can be progressive in a certain period, and reactionary in another. This is the correct answer according to Marx, but it is the same as in the Bible.
      Under capitalism, social movements appear among the people, which are still poorly developed in both Ukraine and Russia. The political activity of the people is the main sign of a nation that is not just rebelling, but is aware of what changes in laws it needs. For example, the formation of political parties.... In Ukraine, a clown from a movie was elected president, which is just a joke for chickens, but Russia has been ruled for 23 years by a non-party person. He was only a member of the CPSU. What specific forces put forward it? ... The people don’t care, he has one political slogan, completely pathetic: “... and for whom else?..”

      And in the end, what do we see? Both peoples are experiencing a period of moral decline, and only thieves and traitors are capable of self-organization. There is no need to fool yourself with the question of “worthiness” - the truth is that we are going through a period of reaction, which may well end with the disappearance of both. THEY WILL CARRY FORWARD WITH FEET... ALTHOUGH I ABSOLUTELY DON'T LIKE IT.
    3. 0
      February 7 2024
      No, it hasn’t taken shape. Six months of Russian TV and the Internet and no more nonsense about the mythical nation.
  19. +3
    February 7 2024
    In general, Lenin planted a bomb, Yeltsin blew it up, Putin made a new one and is looking for how to plant it more reliably so that it explodes - it explodes! So that everything is in tatters!
  20. +3
    February 7 2024
    They understood the danger posed by Ukrainians, but migrants pose no less a danger. “Whoever does not want to feed his own army will feed someone else’s.” “Whoever does not want to feed his own people will feed someone else’s.” True, foreign people do not need someone else’s government, they will install their own.
  21. +4
    February 7 2024
    The beginning is correct, but after 1917 everything was not as the author wrote. There was a great period of unrest on the territory of Ukraine, and even a fruitless attempt to create their own state.
    I advise the author to study history in detail and not write such stupid articles anymore.
  22. +2
    February 7 2024
    In 2008 I was in Kyiv. The whole city spoke Russian, all the signs were in Russian. All newspapers are in Russian.
    I tried to find at least something in Ukrainian to bring home as a souvenir. There were even CDs with Russian pop music - nothing in Ukrainian.
    I went to a bookstore and asked for books in Ukrainian. They laughed at me and showed me a small shelf where there were fairy tales and...Auster's bad advice.
    This was 14 years before the start of the Northern Military District and 9 years after the division of the USSR
  23. -2
    February 7 2024
    If it were not for the Red Army, Hitler would have sent all Ukrainians and Poles to the soap to liberate the territory. And the Red Army was created by the Bolsheviks!
    1. -4
      February 7 2024
      And the Red Army was created by the Bolsheviks!

      The Red Army that the Bolsheviks created disappeared three months after the start of the war; it was almost completely destroyed in border battles and captured (3,5 million prisoners).
      From October-November 41, the USSR was defended by a people's army of mobilized and volunteer soldiers.
      And when they “moved” the Jewish commissars and introduced unity of command, this army began to fight quite competently and beat the Germans.
  24. 0
    February 7 2024
    The Russian world is split. The Russians are cutting themselves down in a fratricidal massacre to the delight of our “partners” - the collective West, led by London, Brussels and Washington.

    Where has our “wisest” been looking for 20 years?
    What has the best foreign minister, Lavrov, been doing all this time?
    What were the intelligence services doing?

    Either they were all circled around three pine trees like “blind kittens,” which indicates their qualifications are significantly “below the plinth,” or they themselves work according to the scenario of the Western elites and only pretend to be the leadership of an independent state, which is why gold and capital are exported from Russia to Western banks. ...
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  26. +1
    February 10 2024
    Here people are talking about a world government
    Like, this is it against the Russians
    Surely this is it, Russians are not 100 dollars, why would strangers love them?
    But I’m talking about something else, about the USSR, like my own
    Knowledge shows that the USSR is against the Russians
    And they are only forced to do something for the Russians
    Just 10 years ago you could get a prison term for saying Russian
    All these local officials have either been promoted or promoted
  27. 0
    February 12 2024
    The author is an obvious anti-communist and anti-Soviet.
    J. P. Sartre wrote that anti-Sovietism (communism) inevitably results in Russophobia.
    (The bourgeois fears communism as their gravedigger, and communism (socialism, Sovietism) for them is historically connected with Russia. Hence Russophobia. Russians bring communism.
    It seems like these are childhood fears. But history shows that J.P. Sartre was right back in the middle of the 20th century.
    And even the bourgeois coup in 1992 in Russia did not change anything.
    Russia is feared as the bearer of the ideas of communism (socialism).
    But the Russian elite does not understand this and shouts: “We are our own! Bourgeois! We will sell everything!”
    They'll sell it...
    And the people? The people are still silent.
  28. Qas
    0
    February 13 2024
    They split and took away the Russian lands, Little Russia, “Kyiv the mother of Russian cities”...
    That’s all true, but the question is, how can something be taken away from a strong government? Even think about it?
    Let's remember our Minister Lavrov's games with Japan in our Kuril Islands. These negotiations stopped only after numerous shouts and popular outrage. But what power started them? The same one who is now at the helm of the country.
    Why is our President’s interview with an American journalist not assessed critically? Ours clearly said in Russian: “we still gave it to you, take us with you,” “we would have left Crimea to you if the threat of American bases had not appeared there.” What is this? How can you say that?
  29. 0
    February 13 2024
    Quote: Comrade
    The “Ukrainian language” was created on the basis of southern Russian dialects with the addition of Polish and German words. The creators themselves spoke it poorly.

    But the lion's share of words there are deliberately distorted Russian words or simply made up.
    It’s funny that Russian speakers in Ukraine, on the one hand, are well aware of this, but on the other hand, they fly into wild rage when you poke their noses at these moronic, ridiculous, artificial-sounding words.

    One of my acquaintances in Ukraine, Russian to the core, a teacher at the institute since Soviet times, became an ardent nationalist in his old age. He probably even stopped washing, so as not to part with his embroidered shirt even for a moment (I’ll have to write to him someday to also put on trousers).

    Recently I posted a poster on Facebook with the caption:
    Does language matter? Get to Rostov!
    (Language getting in the way? Off to Rostov!)

    My mother’s relatives living in Ukraine (nephews, cousins) consider her a subhuman. This humanless ideology of cultural genocide is a malignant pathology that can only be completely destroyed.
  30. 0
    February 15 2024
    The Poles are the hyena of Europe! Churchill said it!

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