Nagorno-Karabakh: there will be no war

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Almost a quarter of a century ago, at the end of February, the tragic events in Sumgait occurred. Thirty-one Armenians died in a pogrom organized by Azerbaijani nationalists, writes American journalist Carol Williams (Los Angeles Times). She believes that the source of "seething hatred" in the second largest Azerbaijani city was the "domination" of Armenians in "remote and strategically insignificant Nagorno-Karabakh." The war began later. In 1991-94 it caused more than a million people to move. More than 30 thousand people were killed.



What is today?

The indiscriminate fire of snipers buried in trenches behind sandbags, through a controversial line running through the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, seems to be something commonplace for residents of the region. People here are used to shooting - for 19 years after the signing of the Ceasefire Agreement in 1994.

Recently, however, the situation seems to be deteriorating. The journalist says that both parties seemed to be aiming at “thawing” the old conflict and are counting on an “unconditional victory” in a terrible armed confrontation.

What was the reason for the change of moods of the Armenian and Azerbaijani sides? First, the journalist considers, the approaching quarter-century date coinciding, and secondly, with the presidential elections in Armenia. Thirdly, the resettlement of Armenian refugees from Syria is precisely on the disputed territory. All this fuels “boiling indignation” and raises fears that a new major armed conflict is about to begin.

The problem of this lengthy conflict is explained by the experts by the fact that neither side is satisfied with the international recognition that the enclave is Azerbaijani territory, but is under the control of Armenia. No one - neither Armenia nor Azerbaijan - does not go into a protracted conflict, even to symbolic concessions. All negotiation attempts come to a standstill.

Carol Williams believes that if you look at the map of the Caucasus region, you can get an idea of ​​the manipulations of Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin - who, in fact, is the father of the conflict, the creator of its roots. After all, the Armenians managed to prevent the aggressive attacks of the Persians, Turks and Russians for almost two thousand years, and yet their autonomous enclave was incorporated by Stalin into the Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic - after the Bolsheviks began to control the region at the beginning of the 1920's. Young Stalin, people's commissar for national affairs, carried out the principle of “divide and rule” on the ground, allowing him to keep nationalism in check.

Ethnic grievances came out when the Soviet reformer, Mikhail Gorbachev, “opened up Pandora’s box” in the form of a “perestroika and glasnost” campaign. All public troubles, hidden before the carpet, burst out.

But why did isolated, poor and far from oil, Nagorno-Karabakh become such a welcome piece of territory for both sides?

Lawrence Sheets, director of the International Crisis Group for the South Caucasus, believes that Nagorno-Karabakh is a strategic territory where Europe and Asia meet. According to Sheets, this is an incredibly important trade route, not only for energy, but for shipping and other purposes. Azerbaijan and Armenia are in a state of war for more than twenty years, the expert says, and now the fire has ceased there, but if the conflict breaks out again on a wider scale, a regional war may well begin, which will spread to regional powers.

The journalist notes that American oil companies have significant investments in Azerbaijan, but also have important “emotional” ties with Armenia: after all, many representatives of Armenians now live in the United States, and they value their ancestral homeland.

As for Russia, it needs a regional world to quietly carry out trade and naval operations in the Caspian and Black Seas.

Expand the issue to economic ties between Baku and Tehran - and you will get another possible participant in the armed conflict.

And then there's Turkey. This country finally expressed its readiness to hold talks on restoring relations with Armenia after almost a century-long break. However, Ankara insists that Armenia abandon the disputed enclave - and as a precondition.

What can the Armenians or Azerbaijanis win from stirring up a conflict? Journalism writes that, in the opinion of sensible observers, absolutely nothing. She also notices that the dispute between the parties often borders on hysterics.

For example, recently the official representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Azerbaijan, Elman Abdullayev, accused Armenia of “provocation” in resolving the issue of Armenian refugees who had moved from Syria to Nagorno-Karabakh. In his opinion, this is an attempt to "change the demographic situation in the region."

Robert Avetisyan, the Permanent Representative of Nagorno-Karabakh in the diplomatic mission of the enclave in Washington, condemned these claims as an attempt by Azerbaijan to politicize the humanitarian rescue action. After all, the Armenians fled from the bombing of Aleppo. There are now about 80.000 ethnic Armenians living there. Thousands of them turned to Armenia for help, and only about three dozen families settled in Nagorno-Karabakh, Avetisyan said.

To the article by Carol Williams, one can add the fact that the Azerbaijani side threatens to bring down civilian planes bound for Artsakh. The fact is that recently the director of the Azerbaijan State Administration of Civil aviation Arif Mammadov saidthat Azerbaijan will destroy the aircraft, landing at Stepanakert airport. The Azerbaijani side even complained to the International Civil Aviation Organization. “We reported that our airspace over Karabakh is closed. According to the law “On Aviation”, the physical destruction of airplanes landing on this territory is planned, ”said Mr. Mamedov.

A member of the Armenian delegation to PACE Naira Zohrabyan drew the attention of the Commissioner for Human Rights to the threat of the Azerbaijani side to shoot down civilian aircraft. Thomas Hammarberg replied that such statements were a matter of concern.

On the same issue acted and David Babayan, head of the Main Information Department of the NKR President’s Office: “If Azerbaijan starts to shoot down civilian aircraft, then this will mean only one thing - the resumption of hostilities”. According to him, if Azerbaijan takes such a step, it will not remain unanswered.

The journalists asked Babayan whether it could happen that Artsakh would not launch the airport. Babayan said that the work of the airport is important for the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, and it will never give up its intention. At the same time, David Babayan stressed that Artsakh can ensure the security of its airspace.

Today the Minister of Defense of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic Movses Hakobyan declares: The situation on the contact line of the Armed Forces of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic and Azerbaijan has not changed since the beginning of the year. He also noted the tension that arose because of the NKR’s intention to use Stepanakert airport. At the same time, the minister stressed that the Karabakh Armed Forces are ready to respond to any encroachment: “The situation is under control. There is no need to doubt: the sun will fulfill all the tasks with honor. ”

Armenian political scientist Hrant Melik-Shahnazaryan, commenting on the possible development of events related to the Karabakh conflict, expressed an opinion at the January press conference that the progress in the process of resolving the Karabakh conflict is unrealistic. According to the political analyst, the upcoming events will be due not so much to the progress in the negotiations as to a new stage in the domestic political arena of Armenia and Azerbaijan. Highlights Scientist call presidential elections, which in the coming year will be held in both Armenia and Azerbaijan. They will affect possible scenarios.

The analyst said that the “Aliyev regime” will once again make an attempt to divert public attention from internal problems through the Karabakh conflict. Hrant Melik-Shankhnazaryan noted that the leadership of Azerbaijan realizes that by “fanning” the idea of ​​an external threat and having many internal political and domestic problems, it can consolidate society around the government, which is convenient for maintaining power, but at the same time will generate tension around the problem.

As for the Armenian side, is knownthat the Armenian Armed Forces 25 and 26 of January bombarded positions of units of the Azerbaijani army in four districts: near the villages of Shikhlar of the Agdam region, Tapgaragoyunlu of the Goranboy region, Kuropatkino of the Khojavand district; shelling was also carried out from nameless heights located in the territory of the Fizuli region. Data provided by the Azerbaijani side. The shelling was suppressed by return fire.

The representative of the Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army, in turn, reported that in a week, from 20 to 26 in January, Azerbaijan violated the armistice regime about two hundred times. Divisions of the Azerbaijani forces from weapons different caliber fired in the direction of the Armenian positions over seven hundred shots. And the air forces of Azerbaijan made several training flights along the entire contact line.

Vladimir Kazimirov, Chairman of the Council of Veterans of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, Russian ambassador in retirement, in 1992-1996, the head of the mediation mission of Russia, plenipotentiary representative of the President of the Russian Federation on Nagorno-Karabakh and co-chairman of the OSCE Minsk Group пишет:

“With all the enormous military expenses and boasting of its power, Baku has enough reason to doubt the outcome of a possible attempt to resolve the conflict by force. Miscalculations of the war of 1991-94 psychologically, the leadership of Azerbaijan will oppress for a long time to come. After all, the potential of Azerbaijan was clearly higher then that of Armenians - the secret to its implementation. I still remember dozens of trophy tanks and armored personnel carriers, adapted to the struggle already against their former owners. At that time, Baku’s rated power failed, preventing it from stopping military operations in time and keeping vast territories under its control. Instead of analyzing the mistakes of those years, there is again a hat-thinking attitude. Azerbaijanis are annoyed by the occupation of 7 regions by Armenians, it gives them a number of primary motivations, but Armenians have a much stronger incentive to fight for survival. ”


Baku cannot count on a blitzkrieg in difficult local conditions, and this, according to Comrade Kazimirov, gives enough time for international intervention. Moreover, in his opinion, the fault of Baku in the international community will be undoubted.

“An unfavorable background will be formed for Azerbaijan and in international organizations. The OSCE’s peacekeeping role will be practically rejected, but in turn the MG co-chairs - Russia, the United States and France - will inevitably condemn the resumption of hostilities. The tone of Moscow, which achieved an armistice in 1994 with the assistance of the Council of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), can be especially harsh. The commitment of the Azerbaijani side to the Council of Europe to resolve the conflict by peaceful means will be disrupted. It will also be remembered that Baku in 1993-94. for a long time did not comply with the requirements of the UN Security Council resolutions on the cessation of hostilities ... "


As a result, pressure from international organizations and large countries will force Baku to curtail the offensive.

There is also an economic component of the war, which will not be:

"The ruling clan of Ilham Aliyev, who is prospering in oil and gas, is not very happy to exchange a business boom for disruptions or even interruptions in hydrocarbon supplies with a possible temporary loss of markets."


Given the fact that millions of Armenians and Azerbaijanis live in Russia, the author writes further, she cannot be removed to a new conflict.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at a recent briefing in Moscow сказалthat Russia, together with other members of the OSCE Minsk Group, will continue efforts to resolve the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict: “If we want to resolve the issue in practice, then we must act as co-chairs of the OSCE MG.” He clarified that the OSCE Minsk Group’s co-chairs had been working for several years to prepare a treaty to resolve the conflict, but the parties did not agree on the items of the final document. According to Lavrov, the foreign ministers of the parties to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict continue to meet. The OSCE Minsk Group co-chairs proposed a truncated version of the settlement document to the parties, but so far there are no results.

Analyst Alexander Novik highlights the issue of Russia's image in resolving the conflict - or rather, the question of how this image is sometimes shaped by external actors.

Expert notesthat in recent years, both in Azerbaijan and in Armenia, there have been statements about the ineffectiveness of the work of the Minsk Group. The criticism also affects the representative format of the co-chairmanship, and states the negativity for Azerbaijan of the “mood” of the co-chairs to maintain the status quo in the conflict zone. The theme of the low efficiency of the negotiation process within the OSCE and its “imitation” is increasingly heard in the Armenian expert community. Interestingly, specific co-chair countries are under attack by critics.

Chairman of the Armenian opposition party "Republic" Aram Sargsyan argues that "as long as this problem is resolved under the" roof "of Russia, there will be no real result.

Azerbaijani political analyst Wafa Guluzade says that "Russia can kindle a war between Azerbaijan and Armenia or create a threat to Azerbaijan from the north, since the 100-thousandth Russian army stands at the northern borders of Azerbaijan."

As a result of the “information processing”, many Azerbaijanis are convinced, the author writes that their country lost the war not to Karabakh and not even Armenia, but it turns out ... to Russia. A journalist is told to Azerbaijanis that their country was at war with Russia. Consequently, Russia won the war. Who is threatening today? Again Moscow.

“Objectively assessing the actions of Russia in the region, it can be argued that the cessation of hostilities, the signing of the“ Agreement on an indefinite cease-fire ”in 1994, is a great merit of Russia. At the same time, we are talking about the mediatory role of Russia in achieving peace so that people do not die, and not in separating Karabakh from Azerbaijan, according to Baku. ”


Russia makes many peacemaking efforts today as a co-chair of the OSCE Minsk Group.

Yes, Russia's position on the parties to the Karabakh conflict is not easy, the author acknowledges. After all, the Russian economic and military assistance to Armenia was the reason for the cooling of relations between Russia and Azerbaijan. However, about 140 of thousands of Russians live in Azerbaijan, and in Russia (according to the census of 2002 of the year), 621 is a thousand of Azerbaijanis. And there is a visa-free travel regime between the countries. Economic cooperation is actively developing between Russia and Azerbaijan, especially in the energy sector.

Thus, the frequent talk of analysts and political scientists, especially Azerbaijani and Armenian, about the likely war over Nagorno-Karabakh should be attributed to attempts more “emotional” (as Carol Williams would put it) than real ones. Azerbaijan will not shoot down civilian aircraft, nor will Armenian politicians make any “provocations” on the controversial line. Another thing is that before the elections and on the eve of the 25-year date, it is possible to “aggravate” at the level of political discussions or publications in the media.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
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    1. borisst64
      +3
      29 January 2013 09: 18
      With great regret I read about the shootings in Karabakh. I naively thought that there was simply a strict border, well guarded on both sides. And then shelling and permanent war.
      1. Vuqar
        +2
        29 January 2013 13: 14
        Quote: borisst64

        With great regret I read about the shootings in Karabakh.

        Boris, the war is not only in Karabakh. It goes in propaganda in the media, and the Cold War arming itself, and in the political arena and among diasporas and so on. There is more than you think.
    2. +7
      29 January 2013 09: 20
      Thus, the frequent talk of analysts and political scientists, especially Azerbaijani and Armenian, about the likely war over Nagorno-Karabakh should be attributed to attempts more "emotional" (as Carol Williams would put it) than real.
      , that’s it! thanks for the article Oleg good !
      1. +7
        29 January 2013 10: 37
        Tersky,

        Greetings Victor! Here are the latest news on the issue of NK

        BAKU, Jan 28 - 1NEWS.AZ On January 28, 2013, the OSCE Minsk Group co-chairs Ambassadors Igor Popov (Russia), Jacques Faure (France) and Ian Kelly (USA) held a joint meeting with the Foreign Ministers of Azerbaijan and Armenia Elmar Mammadyarov and Edward Nalbandyan.
        The Foreign Ministers expressed their support for a peaceful resolution to the conflict and expressed their determination to continue negotiations. Ministers and co-chairs agree to further discuss the peace process in the coming weeks

        here.
        1. +4
          29 January 2013 10: 43
          Quote: Ascetic
          Foreign Ministers express their support for a peaceful resolution to the conflict

          Hi Stanislav! It is not customary in our world to speak loudly about a warrior, everyone speaks of an interest in the peaceful development of events. Warriors begin around the world, for the sake of a speedy advance of the world. So these are just words hi
          1. Vuqar
            0
            29 January 2013 13: 12
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            So these are just words

            That's right, Alexander. The government of Azerbaijan, and even as the government of Armenia, will not tell the whole truth. In order to understand the meaning of the words about peace between the two nations, just open YouTube and write the last passenger and watch. Broadcast. A taxi driver is a journalist in both Azerbaijan and Armenia, they include Azerbaijani music in Armenia and vice versa, and between the words they ask about the world, listen ... There can be no world between us.
          2. Yarbay
            0
            29 January 2013 21: 29
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Hi Stanislav! It is not customary in our world to speak loudly about a warrior, everyone speaks of an interest in the peaceful development of events. Warriors begin around the world, for the sake of a speedy advance of the world. So these are just words

            I completely agree!!
            + + + +
        2. +2
          29 January 2013 11: 25
          Quote: Ascetic
          Here are the latest news on the issue of NK

          Good health, Stanislav! Thanks for the info,
          The Minister noted that the opening of the airport in Khojaly could become part of a large peace plan to resolve the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, and attempts to carry out illegal flights will now be regarded as a violation of the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan.

          , and so it’s necessary to move from a peace plan to concrete cases, but for now these are words, no more
        3. Yarbay
          0
          29 January 2013 21: 28
          Quote: Ascetic
          BAKU, Jan 28 - 1NEWS.AZ On January 28, 2013, the OSCE Minsk Group co-chairs Ambassadors Igor Popov (Russia), Jacques Faure (France) and Ian Kelly (USA) held a joint meeting with the Foreign Ministers of Azerbaijan and Armenia Elmar Mammadyarov and Edward Nalbandyan.

          I don’t think they’ll come to something!
          That is, to organize a meeting of ministers tet-a-tet without real progress can not be!
        4. dualnik
          0
          30 January 2013 12: 56
          They have been discussing it for almost a quarter of a century. And again "agreed to further discuss the peace process " That is, nothing will change ... sad
      2. Vuqar
        0
        29 January 2013 13: 13
        Quote: Tersky
        that says it all! thanks for the article Oleg

        Have you really believed their words? Go to the border with Armenia and Azerbaijan and no matter which side you put your head out of the trench, they will explain to you with one bang about the concept of peace in Karabakh.
        1. +3
          29 January 2013 14: 07
          Quote: Vuqar
          Have you really believed their words?

          Colleague, you carefully read my comment:
          but for now these are words, no more
          , what's wrong?
          Quote: Vuqar
          stick your head out, they will explain to you with one clap about the concept of peace in Karabakh.
          , is it like applause? And then I somehow catch up with what is a trench, a shootout ..... feel
          1. Vuqar
            0
            29 January 2013 14: 49
            Quote: Tersky
            is it like applause? And then I somehow overtake what a trench, a shootout .....


            I'm glad that we understood each other :)
    3. +6
      29 January 2013 09: 40
      The current situation between Azerbaijan and Armenia can be characterized as follows - neither peace nor war.
      1. +2
        29 January 2013 10: 01
        Quote: Apollon
        - no peace, no war.

        Hi Apollo! In such a situation, peace is possible only with the complete surrender of one of the parties with the signing of documents. The war will hit the economies of the countries and the dark horse Turkey will be in a very difficult position.
        1. +6
          29 January 2013 10: 08
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Hi Apollo! In such a situation, peace is possible only with the complete surrender of one of the parties with the signing of documents. The war will hit the economies of the countries and the dark horse Turkey will be in a very difficult position.



          Greetings to you Alexander! hi Azerbaijan and Armenia are doomed to be neighbors. Sooner or later, peace will be concluded. The whole question is when and on what conditions. what
          As for surrender, either side will not happen. For each side there are stronger allies and guarantors.
          1. +2
            29 January 2013 10: 18
            Quote: Apollon
            Sooner or later, and peace will be concluded. The whole question is when and on what conditions.

            Not Apollo, any concession from one side will put an end to the political career of the one who witnesses this concession. A quarter of a century has passed and not a single progress.
            Quote: Apollon

            As for surrender, either side will not happen. For each side there are stronger allies and guarantors

            After the collapse of the USSR, everything collapsed. Everything will depend not on Turkey and Russia, but rather on the United States. If America slides into the abyss, the geopolitics in the region will change dramatically and Turkey will no longer be guaranteed. There are options in the prince, but all of them eventually end with a warrior and the subsequent world on the terms of one of the parties.
          2. Vuqar
            +1
            29 January 2013 13: 09
            Quote: Apollon
            . Sooner or later, and peace will be made. All question

            There will never be such a world that was during the USSR and you are my dear friend, you know this is no worse than me!
        2. -6
          29 January 2013 10: 22
          Ours must agree with Iran. If Iran closes the border with Armenia (like Turkey) for a while, then the Armenians will have no choice but to return the land.
          1. +5
            29 January 2013 10: 52
            Iran, by the way, verbally advocates the return of NK to Azerbaijan. Although in reality it’s not very striving for this. A lot depends on the states and Russia, and the current situation suits neither the world nor the war, so there will still be slow diplomacy with a dead end

            "Prolongation of the conflict is disadvantageous for both the parties and the region. According to international principles, the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict should be resolved peacefully and within the framework of the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan. This territory should be returned to Azerbaijan.

            Iranian Ambassador to Azerbaijan Mohsun Pak Ayin noted.
            here
            1. 0
              29 January 2013 11: 07
              During the war, Iran supported us, but then people came to power who decided to forget about it.
              1. kNow
                +4
                29 January 2013 18: 18
                Quote: Kangarli
                During the war, Iran supported us, but then people came to power who decided to forget about it.

                Yes supported. But then he began to push religious propaganda and they were asked.
                1. Yarbay
                  0
                  29 January 2013 21: 32
                  Quote: kNow
                  Yes supported. But then he began to push religious propaganda and they were asked.

                  They were not completely engaged in obvious sabotage, among the youth they propagandized that this was not a Muslim war and that a Muslim should not participate in it, and they also collected intelligence information that came immediately to the enemy !!!
                  1. 0
                    30 January 2013 00: 33
                    Who told you these tales?
                    1. Yarbay
                      0
                      30 January 2013 21: 20
                      Quote: Kangarli

                      Who told you these tales?

                      This is not a fairy tale !!
                      I saw it with my own eyes !!
              2. Yarbay
                +1
                29 January 2013 21: 31
                Quote: Kangarli
                During the war, Iran supported us, but then people came to power who decided to forget about it.

                [You are deeply mistaken !!
                I remember perfectly that time, there was support in words, but in fact they were doing subversive work !!!
                1. 0
                  30 January 2013 00: 44
                  I do not know what to remember, that is, do not remember. I know a person who himself was engaged in these matters. I saw with my own eyes documents from factories (weapons). Maybe you still don’t remember how you sent food to Nakhchivan for free? How they taught and prepared the 3 battalion. Seyran Ohanyan said that during the war, Iran supported us. And the fact that they are doing silent for us now.
                  1. Yarbay
                    -3
                    30 January 2013 21: 25
                    Quote: Kangarli
                    I know a person who did these things himself.

                    I also did these things and saw everything with my own eyes !!
                    The help was nominal, mainly small arms!
                    Three battalions lie !!
                    There were battalions where there were instructors, but they were soon exposed and expelled from the country!
                    They were engaged in outright sabotage and subversive activities !!
                    Quote: Kangarli
                    Seyran Ohanyan said that during the war, Iran supported us.

                    This fascist is not my authority and naturally he will say so !!
                    And how in 2009 high-ranking Iranian generals appeared on the Tehran-Yerevan plane and God punished them for duplicity, they exploded !!
                    Quote: Kangarli
                    And the fact that they are doing silent for us now.

                    Keep silent, for us they did not do anything good and do not do it !!
                    1. +2
                      31 January 2013 10: 34
                      No, I will not be silent. They sent small arms (of various calibers), ammunition, shells and much more. We were ready to sell the T-55 tanks and then immediately erase the loan, but ours already agreed with Ukraine. They prepared for us the 3 battalion, they killed one of us. In your opinion, how did the Afghans get to Azerbaijan? Who was involved in the safety of the crew and officers on the plane who sent them to Azerbaijan and back? All this was done at the state level.

                      Show me one country that helped us as much as they did during the war. You can’t even imagine what proposals they are making to us right now. And as if it was Iran that seized our lands, gave Armenia weapons for free and organized the massacre in Khojaly.

                      How did Turchia help us during the war? We asked 2 of civil helicopters (for refugees), but they refused us. They closed the borders but the annual commodity circulation of Armenia with Turkey is more than with Iran. For some reason, they remembered that we were brothers precisely after the contract of the century was signed.

                      And how can you know what they have done for us? Have you been an adviser to Aliyev? I’m sure that it’s not, therefore I’d better believe my source. You are just an Iranophobe, so write that which you do not know. We have people like you in power. Then we condemn them why they cooperate with the Armenians. And you guess why.
            2. Vuqar
              0
              29 January 2013 13: 03
              Quote: Ascetic
              Iran, by the way, verbally advocates the return of NK to Azerbaijan. Although in reality it’s not very striving for this. A lot depends on the states and Russia


              Always respected your posts. That's right!
          2. +6
            29 January 2013 11: 09
            Most likely, Azerbaijan will not be able to come to an agreement with Iran because of Azerbaijan's pro-Amer orientation, and if we also consider the latest statements by Azerbaijani politicians about the country's "renaming" into North Azerbaijan and statements about unification with "South Azerbaijan" cooperation with Israel, as well as the country's active participation in the anti-Iranian kaolitsiya under the aegis of the Amers, is completely impossible.
            1. +2
              29 January 2013 11: 16
              If ours wants then no problem. Iran is always ready to cooperate with us. I will not say anything about the deputy’s statements. We also have people like Zhirinovsky.
              1. Heccrbq
                0
                30 January 2013 11: 58
                I advise you to watch the film "Skunk" by D. Karaulov, it shows the true face of Zhirinovsky, he sued Karaulov because of this film and lost.
        3. kNow
          0
          29 January 2013 18: 17
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          only with the complete surrender of one of the parties with the signing of documents

          and the complete coincidence of the interests of the powers.
    4. +4
      29 January 2013 09: 49
      Why not offer the parties to the conflict the formula "Peace in exchange for land"? Azerbaijan recognizes the independence of Karabakh and agrees to reunite with Armenia, receiving in return Lachin and other districts adjacent to the NKR, plus a piece of Karabakh, where Azerbaijanis previously lived (let The parties will clarify at the talks). The parties guarantee each other freedom of transit (Armenia-Karabakh, Azerbaijan-Nakhichevan) and demilitarization of the border. And everyone will stay alive ...
      1. -9
        29 January 2013 10: 14
        Well, unlike you (a gift to China), we are not used to giving land.
        1. +24
          29 January 2013 10: 32
          Are you personally ready to die for the land? Note that to fight with the Armenians for Karabakh is not for you to trade in fruits (which is what the article says) and to chop off the heads of sleeping Armenian officers (what is your "officer" famous for - how is he there, already planning a campaign in Karabakh at the General Staff?). And in another way, you will not even return Lachin with Kelbajar. If you do not want to come to an agreement, fight. It would be good if people like you were in the forefront, and did not bring a crowd to Russia. We have here since your last war "Yerevan" and "Baku" corps of such warriors (on both sides) on the markets and kebabs donkey. am
          1. -14
            29 January 2013 11: 02
            1) Yes, I'm ready!
            2) Our know how to fight you do not worry. If that immediately the officer who chopped off his head. Beat on google Mubariz Agakerim oglu Ibragimov (and if you want something from 90, please help).
            3) It would be interesting if there were no Azerbaijanis in Russia for you to speak.
            4)
            Quote: Greyfox
            threw a crowd to Russia
            And why did you flee to America in a crowd? Out of love for this country?
            5) If for you everything that is written in this article is true and cannot be otherwise, this is already your problem.

            After all, the Armenians managed to prevent the aggressive raids of the Persians, Turks and Russians for almost two millennia


            After these words, everything was clear to me.
            1. +13
              29 January 2013 11: 15
              It would be interesting if there were no Azerbaijanis in Russia for you to speak

              They exist. As well as the Armenians. About which one can very often say "unfortunately". Moreover, a lot of both appeared after the war.
              If that immediately the officer who chopped off his head

              He was not imprisoned, but a national hero was blinded. So there is nothing to be surprised that they will remember him .....
              Our know how to fight you do not worry

              Why should I worry? I regret the bloodshed in advance. For the Armenians also know how to fight ... Good luck at the front. crying
              1. +5
                29 January 2013 11: 24
                Why after the war? Maybe after the collapse when people were left without anything. Ours to Russia and yours to America (according to your logic because of the Chechen war).

                Why are you sorry? It is an honor to shed blood for the homeland.
                1. Yarbay
                  -2
                  29 January 2013 21: 39
                  Quote: Kangarli
                  Why are you sorry? It is an honor to shed blood for the homeland.

                  One hundred points !!
                  Proud of you !!
                  1. whispering
                    +1
                    30 January 2013 22: 48
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    One hundred points !!
                    Proud of you !!

                    It would be interesting to know why you are really proud? having made the killer of a sleeping soldier heroes or your military trinkets on which you spend millions? .. I can say one thing ... having the most armament that is not first-class armament, you are not warriors anyway, you already had cases to prove your courage and this is a fact on the face. One small piece of advice ... do not rock the boat, there will be no mercy the next time. You will never break the spirit of the Armenian warrior. YOU'RE CHANCE YOU CROWNED ... so trade your vegetables and milk yours, and try not to rock the boat. After the fight, I don’t wave my fists .... sorry .. hi
                2. +1
                  29 January 2013 22: 15
                  Quote: Kangarli
                  It is an honor to shed blood for the homeland.
                  Incidentally, I also support. The guy is a patriot of Azerbaijan, young, hot.
              2. Yarbay
                +2
                29 January 2013 21: 38
                Quote: Greyfox
                He was not imprisoned, but a national hero was blinded.

                Nobody sculpted him !!
                In Armenia, your national heroes are Monte Melkonyan and Varujan Karapetyan, who blew up the airport in Orly and killed innocent people !!
                1. +1
                  29 January 2013 22: 17
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  You are national heroes in Armenia
                  It was the Armenians who committed the first terrorist attack in the Moscow metro. At the court, they talked something about the freedom of Armenia. But what does the blood of Muscovites have to do with it?
                  1. Yarbay
                    -1
                    29 January 2013 22: 27
                    Quote: Uncle
                    It was the Armenians who committed the first terrorist attack in the Moscow metro. At the court, they talked something about the freedom of Armenia. But what does the blood of Muscovites have to do with it?

                    They blew up the metro in Baku twice !!
                    Buses, rear, ferries !!!
                    Shot down civilian helicopters!
                    1. +3
                      29 January 2013 23: 16
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      They blew up the metro in Baku twice !!
                      Buses, rear, ferries !!!
                      Shot down civilian helicopters!
                      He was still under the communists in the 70s. A big difference.
            2. +8
              29 January 2013 12: 29
              Our crowd in the us? 90% Jews!
          2. Yarbay
            -2
            29 January 2013 21: 35
            Quote: Greyfox

            Are you personally ready to die for the land?

            I am ready and volunteered in the first war, this time I will take my son with me !!
            Quote: Greyfox
            Note that fighting with the Armenians over Karabakh is not for you to sell fruit (which is discussed in the article) and chop off sleeping Armenian officers’s heads

            Note this fight and do not repair boots and do not chop off the heads of women and children, what your officers are famous for!
            I personally support Safarov, the enemy in uniform must be killed as soon as possible, especially if he insults the flag of your country !!
            1. +7
              30 January 2013 08: 34
              Yarbay
              Especially for you, I explain. I have nothing to do with the Armenians (which you emphasized in your posts, quoting me). Russian, I live in Russia, a former security official (with a pension, but because of my young age I live not only on her). I don’t fix the boot, I didn’t chop off my heads. In our army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, where I served it is not practiced and as evidence of officer honor I don’t used (apparently in contrast to the Armenian-Azerbaijani and African-cannibalistic).
              I devoted my first post to the possibility of reaching an agreement without victims, but the hot Azerbaijani guys want blood, corpses and people with disabilities. Hot Armenian guys answer them. Moreover, a veteran of the Karabakh front is ready to give up his son for slaughter and sings a sadistic moth-maker.
              So listen to the hot Caucasian patriots, my answer is: PLUMA ON BOTH OF YOUR HOUSES! Eat each other. Bon appetit. Just do not meddle with us in Russia.

              1. Yarbay
                -2
                30 January 2013 21: 35
                Quote: Greyfox
                I devoted my first post to the possibility of reaching an agreement without victims, but the hot Azerbaijani guys want blood, corpses and people with disabilities.
                It's impossible!!
                We have been agreeing for 20 years !!
                The enemy believes that he won and does not agree to peacefully liberate the occupied territories, which means he must be freed with weapons in his hands !!
                Azerbaijanis are not blood though, but to liberate their homeland !!
                And you go to the picket and ask that the Kurils be given back to the Japanese and Poles and Lithuanians, the peace-loving you are ours!
                Quote: Greyfox
                Moreover, a veteran of the Karabakh front is ready to give up his son for slaughter and sings a sadistic moth-maker

                I will give everything for my Motherland, 10 sons will give all 10 and I will not pick it !!
                My son is already shooting well and waking up every day he sees the flag of his country and photos of heroes above his head !!
                You don’t understand, who are you to condemn me or condemn Safarov, whose Nazis killed 12 relatives ?? !!
                He killed an officer of the enemy army, who was trying to curse himself!
                I did it right!
                Quote: Greyfox
                PLUMA ON BOTH OF YOUR HOUSES!

                PLUMA ON YOUR PERSONAL HOUSE !!
                Quote: Greyfox
                ! Eat each other. Bon appetit. .

                Will you eat !!
                1. +3
                  31 January 2013 10: 06
                  According to the boorish answer, you can immediately see the eagle! The same as Safarov. Only do not fly into our airspace - you will get to the zoo ...
                  who are you to condemn me or condemn Safarov

                  I am the one who ever caught eagles and determined in the zoo .....
        2. 0
          29 January 2013 21: 55
          Quote: Kangarli
          Well, unlike you (a gift to China), we are not used to giving land.

          Who is the minus? Is he writing lies?
      2. -2
        29 January 2013 10: 26
        Good morning, dear. Azerbaijan proposes autonomy to Nagorno-Karabakh within the Republic of Azerbaijan, with its governing bodies, schools and the rest of the infrastructure, its own police organs. They do not agree.
        1. +6
          29 January 2013 11: 13
          And they don’t correctly agree, you see whether they have rich experience in dealing with the Azerbaijani authorities since the time of Sumgait, and the last quarter century has clearly not added confidence.
          1. -5
            29 January 2013 11: 34
            They have two options.

            1) Return the land and there will remain those Armenians who lived there before the war.

            2) And after that, not one of the Armenians will remain there.

            Quote: Andrey57
            rich you see their experience of communication with the Azerbaijani authorities, since the time of Sumgait


            About 20 000 Armenians live in Azerbaijan. Not one Azerbaijanian is in Armenia. Now write as much as you like, what are we bad and armies of innocent lambs.
            1. Mikado
              +5
              29 January 2013 12: 30
              Quote: Kangarli
              About 20 Armenians live in Azerbaijan


              and everything in the territory of NKR controlled by Armenia
              1. 0
                29 January 2013 12: 37
                So go to google.ru. Then enter Baku in the search bar. After all this, sit quietly and don’t say what you don’t know.
                1. Mikado
                  +2
                  29 January 2013 12: 45
                  And why, entered in Google "Baku", got out pictures, "Journal of Baku", "now in Baku", youtube - Baku, what's next, dear "expert"? Was that what I should have seen?
                  1. -1
                    29 January 2013 12: 56
                    Well, then it means they didn’t understand then even easier. 20 000 Armenians (the main part) live in Baku. Break through the Armenian Church of Baku. Nothing is touched there. And everything else kotdavin4i wrote.
                    1. Mikado
                      +6
                      29 January 2013 13: 07
                      Quote: Kangarli
                      Break through the Armenian Church of Baku


                      He struck, it is written that it was closed in 1990, the cross was removed, the library of the Office of the Presidential Administration of Azerbaijan was in the premises.

                      Quote: Kangarli
                      Well, then it means they didn’t understand then even easier. 20 Armenians (the main part) live in Baku.


                      And according to the census of Armenians in Baku there are as many as 104 people, and those are workers of foreign embassies and consulates.

                      http://pop-stat.mashke.org/azerbaijan-ethnic2009.htm
                      1. Vuqar
                        +4
                        29 January 2013 13: 18
                        Quote: Mikado
                        the library of the Office of the President’s Office of Azerbaijan is in the room.

                        That's right. Armenian chronicles and books stand and are buried there. They are looked after. The only question is, have you seen the Azerbaijani mosques in Karabakh? If not, please



                        Do you feel the difference in humanity?

                        Quote: Mikado
                        And according to the census of Armenians in Baku, as many as 104 people

                        Thousands of Armenians live in Azerbaijan. Only in my building is a neighbor, an Armenian Arine. Now imagine how many such neighbors there are.
                        1. Mikado
                          +4
                          29 January 2013 14: 03
                          Quote: Vuqar
                          That's right. Armenian chronicles and books stand and are buried there. They are looked after. The only question is, have you seen the Azerbaijani mosques in Karabakh? If not, please


                          Show you what the Armenian churches have been turned into on the territory of Azerbaijan? First of all, you must first look at yourself, and then blame your neighbor, is he a freak? well, let me not do that, I will not go down to his level, I will do everything in a human way, and you are like children "and he shit on me in the church, I'll give him a fuck then"


                          Quote: Vuqar
                          Thousands of Armenians live in Azerbaijan. Only in my building is a neighbor, an Armenian Arine. Now imagine how many such neighbors there are.


                          That is, you made a conclusion about one of your neighbor? Does every Azerbaijanian have an Armenian neighbor? Yes, and you have a Swedish flag, a neighbor from Sweden, too?
                        2. Vuqar
                          +1
                          29 January 2013 14: 52
                          Quote: Mikado
                          To show you what the Armenian churches on the territory of Azerbaijan have turned into?


                          What did the Soviet Union do with the fascists? It’s not even that the church didn’t leave stone on stone, and how does this fascism differ from Karabakh? Were the women killed? Killed, children stabbed? Pricked. Are the lands occupied? Occupied. Yes, not that the church, their trace must be erased from the land of Azerbaijan.

                          Quote: Mikado
                          That is, you made a conclusion about one of your neighbor?

                          Azerbaijan has never been a mono-country. Different peoples have always lived there and Armenians still live. And what about the Russian flag when the German happens, this is the norm, and if an Azerbaijani is with the Swedish flag, is it a MIRACLE OF LIGHT?
                        3. Yarbay
                          -2
                          29 January 2013 21: 46
                          Quote: Mikado
                          To show you what the Armenian churches on the territory of Azerbaijan have turned into?

                          To show you what the mosques on the territory of Azerbaijan turned into by Armenians ??
                          Quote: Mikado
                          Does every Azerbaijanian have an Armenian neighbor?

                          I have two Armenian neighbors!
                          but a reference, was convicted last year in my opinion!

                          The prosecutor's office of the Binagadi district of Baku completed the investigation in the criminal case of an Armenian by nationality, Sargsyan Edgar Eduardovich (born in 1985), who was trying to escape from prison.

                          According to the materials of the criminal case, E. Sargsyan, born in 1985, was born in Sumqayit, lives in Baku, in Icheri Sheher, on Gasr St., house number 14. In 2001, he was arrested for theft under Article 177.

                          In October, November, December 2007 and February 2008, the previously convicted 23-year-old E. Sargsyan committed sexual acts against his younger 7-year-old sister and 10-year-old mother’s brother, with whom he lived together.
                          http://news.day.az/criminal/143086.html
                      2. +2
                        29 January 2013 13: 36
                        1) Vuqar already answered.

                        2) According to our source, there are 2 million people in Baku. In real terms, more than 3 million
                        1. Vuqar
                          0
                          29 January 2013 13: 42
                          Quote: Kangarli
                          2) According to our source, there are 2 million people in Baku. In real terms, more than 3 million

                          Almost 4 million.
                        2. Mikado
                          +3
                          29 January 2013 14: 08
                          Quote: Vuqar
                          Almost 4 million.


                          this together with visitors and not registered
            2. +11
              29 January 2013 14: 57
              Quote: Kangarli
              They have two options.

              1) Return the land and there will remain those Armenians who lived there before the war.

              2) And after that, not one of the Armenians will remain there.


              There is a third option - to fight and after that not one of Azerbaijanis will not stay there.
              So maybe it's better not to start a war?
              1. Vuqar
                -2
                29 January 2013 15: 21
                Quote: IRBIS
                There is another third option - to fight and after that not one of the Azerbaijanis will remain there.


                :) It is a pity that they helped you when the Nazis attacked you. Sorry. Do not stand!
                1. 0
                  29 January 2013 15: 34
                  Quote: Vuqar
                  :) It is a pity that they helped you when the Nazis attacked you. Sorry. Do not stand!

                  Good help for 50 million ...... only human lives. Are you sorry that little or what? You yourself wrote about your grandmother’s three brothers ..... how are they?
                  1. Vuqar
                    0
                    29 January 2013 15: 40
                    Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                    Good help for 50 million ...... only human lives. Are you sorry that little or what? You yourself wrote about your grandmother’s three brothers ..... how are they?


                    My country, Azerbaijan, during the Great Patriotic War, greatly helped to win. What could both heroes and food and all that is possible. The question is, why? So now, here, some users from Russia insulted my country? It's upsetting to me. Read it

                    http://blogs.privet.ru/community/azeriplanet/106281242

                    and then read the WORDS and the relationships of those whom we have helped in relation to us. One hate, dislike. As if we are enemies of number 1. Although, honestly speaking, not one of the former countries of the USSR did not invest as much help as we did. This is called ingratitude. But God sees everything !!!!

                    and most of all surprised words are surprised ...... like, for example, AZERBAIJAN LOOKS WEST. By God, it’s funny for me. They don’t even understand that they themselves turned our heads toward the West, and write with sarcasm that they ran west. Like pro-American orientation. Although to be honest, the Baltic states are already in the West, Ukraine used to have bases, but they aren’t a word, and we don’t have anything attached to us)))))))))))))))))))
                    1. +13
                      29 January 2013 15: 46
                      Quote: Vuqar

                      My country, Azerbaijan, during the Great Patriotic War, greatly helped to win.

                      Your country of Azerbaijan did not help, simply because it was not there, your country was the USSR and you fought for its freedom !!!
                      1. Vuqar
                        +1
                        29 January 2013 15: 50
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Your country of Azerbaijan did not help, simply because it was not there, your country was the USSR and you fought for its freedom !!!


                        Well, given that Turkey and Azerbaijan are one people, but 2 countries, and given that Turkey had no problems with Hitler, please tell us from whom we should fight? Against the Soviet invaders or fascists who did not touch the Turkic peoples at all. This line is not very clear to me. As far as I know, Azerbaijan was forced to join the USSR by force, and even freedom did not smell there.
                        1. +5
                          29 January 2013 15: 58
                          I will answer !!!
                          Quote: Vuqar
                          please tell me from whom we had to fight? Against Soviet invaders

                          These are the words on May 9, tell the veterans of Azerbaijanis, if conscience will allow you and will not be ashamed !!!
                          Quote: Vuqar
                          As far as I know, Azerbaijan was forced to join the USSR by force, and even freedom did not smell there.

                          And in the Russian Empire, how? The poor have occupied you, until 1985 there was one country and it never occurred to anyone to call occupants call-there was one people, one country!
                        2. Vuqar
                          0
                          29 January 2013 16: 04
                          Quote: Alexander Romanov
                          These are the words on May 9, tell the veterans of Azerbaijanis, if conscience will allow you and will not be ashamed !!!


                          Alexander, with all due respect to you, I answer you, even these veterans, seeing the current situation between our peoples, weep bitterly. Not fought for it.

                          I don’t want to argue with you.
                        3. +6
                          29 January 2013 16: 32
                          Quote: Vuqar
                          Well, given that Turkey and Azerbaijan are one people, but 2 countries, and given that Turkey had no problems with Hitler, please tell us from whom we should fight? Against the Soviet invaders or fascists who did not touch the Turkic peoples at all. This line is not very clear to me. As far as I know, Azerbaijan was forced to join the USSR by force, and even freedom did not smell there.


                          Ay-yay! Poor Azerbaijan "occupied" by the Russians and "by force" dragged into the USSR! And after that, do you want your opinion on the conflict to be heard? And many of you who also "think" about the history of Azerbaijan and its further destiny?
                      2. +2
                        29 January 2013 15: 54
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Your country was the USSR and you fought for its freedom !!!

                        Hi Sash.
                        This is the very thing that makes you angry. Then all together, and now we are. Everyone wants to pull a blanket.
                        1. Vuqar
                          0
                          29 January 2013 15: 57
                          Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                          This is the very thing that makes you angry.

                          I understand you, you don’t know the History of Azerbaijan and think that we asked on the lap of the Russian Tsar to live together. Hence your misunderstanding.
                        2. +3
                          29 January 2013 16: 07
                          Quote: Vuqar
                          I understand you, you do not know the history of Azerbaijan

                          Here I agree with you, I personally do not know much.
                          Quote: Vuqar
                          and you think that we were on the lap of the Russian Tsar asking to live together.

                          The sources are contradictory ... almost completely, history has been twisted so many times that now it is quite difficult to prove who is right and who is to blame.

                          Quote: Vuqar
                          Hence your misunderstanding.

                          And no one will be able to understand this either, or a meaningless shedding of blood, or normal life. Only human greed, stubbornness is not enough to do it
                      3. +7
                        29 January 2013 18: 51
                        To the point! Azerbaijan first appeared on the political map of the world only in 1918. Before entering the Russian Empire, there were several khanates.
                        Residents from Nakhichevan, by the way, were considered second-class people in Baku - what can we say about the Armenians from the NKR ... Who fought and how:
                        List of Heroes of the Soviet Union:
                        Russians - 7998 people; there were 2021 Ukrainians ... Armenians - 89 ... Azerbaijanis - 43 Ossetians - 31 ...
                        Among the commanders of the Soviet Army were 60 generals and admirals-Armenians. The Armenian people gave the homeland four marshals - Baghramyan, Babadzhanyan, Khudyakov (Khanferyants), Aganov and one admiral of the fleet of the USSR. There were three high-ranking admirals of the fleet, these were Isakov (Ter-Isahakyan), Kuznetsov and Gorshkov.
                        Among Azerbaijanis there were 5-6 generals.
                        1. +8
                          29 January 2013 21: 49
                          Quote: knn54
                          Among the commanders of the Soviet Army there were 60 generals and Armenian admirals ... Among Azerbaijanis there were 5-6 generals.

                          With all due respect to the Azerbaijanis (my neighbor, the Azerbaijanian is an excellent man), like wars, they are much inferior to the Armenians. In the army I had to deal with both. If there is a serious war between them, I’m ready to put 10: 1 for the Armenians, no matter how cynical it sounds. Well, the Azerbaijanis are not soldiers in their mass. Armenians are head and shoulders higher in discipline, learning ability, stamina, and dedication. This is not a rebuke at all. I respect Azerbaijanis. But these are peaceful people and they won’t be able to fight well simply. They need to seek ONLY a peaceful solution to the issue. Otherwise, everyone will lose. IMHO.
                        2. Yarbay
                          -3
                          29 January 2013 22: 15
                          Quote: ikrut
                          With all due respect to the Azerbaijanis (my neighbor, the Azerbaijanian is an excellent man), like wars, they are much inferior to the Armenians. In the army I had to deal with both. If there is a serious war between them, I’m ready to put 10: 1 for the Armenians, no matter how cynical it sounds. Well, the Azerbaijanis are not soldiers in their mass. Armenians are head and shoulders higher in discipline, learning ability, stamina, and dedication. This is not a rebuke at all. I respect Azerbaijanis. But these are peaceful people and they won’t be able to fight well simply. They need to seek ONLY a peaceful solution to the issue. Otherwise, everyone will lose.

                          I assure you a lot has changed !!
                          We now have a competent and strong officer corps, which was not in the first war !!
                          I know the mentality of the enemy, I'm sure WIN!
                        3. +1
                          30 January 2013 18: 33
                          The Armenians showed themselves in Abkhazia, in Lebanon .. People are fighting for their land, and the people have not yet won,
                        4. Yarbay
                          -1
                          30 January 2013 21: 38
                          Quote: knn54
                          The Armenians showed themselves in Abkhazia, in Lebanon .. People

                          they showed themselves as flayers !!
                          everywhere left a bloody fascist mark killing peaceful women and children!
                        5. tungus-meteorit
                          +1
                          30 January 2013 23: 23
                          You have mixed up a little - these are the Ossetians of the Heroes of the USSR - 43, and there will be fewer Azerbaijanis. I also saw Soviet statistics on Heroes from different nations. The rest is all right for you.
              2. Yarbay
                -1
                29 January 2013 21: 48
                Quote: IRBIS
                So maybe it's better not to start a war?

                I assure you that the best option is war !!
                We must free our lands and snatch Armenian fascism with keorn!
                with our generation it began and we must bring it to the end !!
                The Most High gives victory and defeat !!
              3. tungus-meteorit
                -2
                30 January 2013 23: 19
                That's it. Better a bad world than a good war. And real warriors understand this, and not all sorts of heroes on the couch behind the clave, although we are all behind the clave :)
                1. Yarbay
                  0
                  30 January 2013 23: 35
                  Quote: tungus-meteorit
                  That's it. Better a bad world than a good war. And real warriors understand this, and not all sorts of heroes on the couch behind the clave, although we are all behind the clave :)

                  When the territory of your country to Smolensk is occupied by your enemies, I will look at how you will write the same thing !!!))))))))
                  I will support you then !!!
          2. +1
            29 January 2013 12: 34
            Andrei is recently a resident of Baku, a certain Mrs. Shahmurodyan. Won in court on the issue of issuing her an identity card with her surname, the court of Narimanov district of Baku ordered the passport office to do this. Something a lady with her daughter and family lives in Baku, does not hide her name and no one touches her! She has a job housing and uses all the social services of the state. Further, the Azerbaijani parliament is now issuing money on the so-called Soviet deposits. According to the decision of the parliament, the inhabitants of Nagorno-Karabakh also have the right to receive their money, for this they need to obtain an identity card of the sample established in Azerbaijan, do you also say this is a rich experience?
            1. Artmark
              +2
              29 January 2013 13: 10
              Azerbaijan is a true democracy! probably it should be shown in the European Parliament! So that Europe will learn how the rights of ordinary Armenians are respected! Will this count towards Mr. President?
              1. Vuqar
                0
                29 January 2013 13: 20
                Quote: ArtMark
                Azerbaijan is a true democracy!

                There is no democracy anywhere, not in the USA, not in Europe, not in Armenia, not in Azerbaijan to be more precise. They created this word to start a war, like the Crusades on behalf of Jesus.

                The difference is that, in the former USSR, the absence of democracy is shown to a wide audience and is not advertised in the west. That’s the difference. What dermocracy are you talking about?
              2. -2
                29 January 2013 13: 35
                By the way, ArtMark at the last PACE meeting condemned the question that some sectarians were forcibly taken into the army, again there was a skirmish between our and your representative, when our once again said that Armenia seized 20% of our territory and more than a million refugees, then your the representative got up and loudly declared that Azerbaijan was cheating! ARMENIA SEIZED 14% OF THE TERRITORY AND REFUGEES A TOTAL OF 700, which was immediately recorded in the transcript of the meeting.
                1. Vuqar
                  0
                  29 January 2013 13: 44
                  Quote: kotdavin4i
                  ARMENIA SEIZED 14% OF THE TERRITORY AND REFUGEES A TOTAL OF 700, which was immediately recorded in the transcript of the meeting.


                  in short, recognized the OCCUPATION of Azerbaijan lands. It was a big blow to Armenian diplomacy.
              3. +1
                29 January 2013 19: 01
                With respect to the Aliyev family and disrespect for liberalism, I have to admit that Azerbaijan has a hereditary khanate, which incidentally is not bad, but not democracy.
            2. +2
              29 January 2013 18: 05
              That is, it turns out that she did not want to give it? And only through court did she achieve this ???
              1. kNow
                +1
                30 January 2013 08: 24
                Quote: mark021105
                That is, it turns out that she did not want to give it? And only through court did she achieve this ???

                She gave an interview to a local TV channel and said that she destroyed all her documents when the conflict started to erupt. I was afraid. Stupid of course, but now to restore the documents you need to go to court. We have such an order.
            3. +1
              29 January 2013 22: 24
              Quote: kotdavin4i
              ID cards with his last name, the court of Narimanov district of Baku ordered the passport office to do this.
              And what, you can not carry the Armenian name? And what was offered to her in return for the Armenian?
              1. Yarbay
                0
                30 January 2013 21: 41
                Quote: Uncle
                And what, you can not carry the Armenian name? And what was offered to her in return for the Armenian?
                The fact is that she turned, after many years !!
                I think in order to get on Soviet deposits!
                It was evident that she had pressed another surname and could not get it!
                These are my assumptions!
                The court granted her request and filed the documents!
          3. Yarbay
            -2
            29 January 2013 21: 41
            Quote: Andrey57

            And they don’t correctly agree, you see whether they have rich experience in dealing with the Azerbaijani authorities since the time of Sumgait, and the last quarter century has clearly not added confidence.

            In Sumgait, one of the organizers of the pogroms was the Armenian Eduard Grigoryan, I wrote a lot of them !!
            It was a carefully prepared provocation !!
            Read the memoirs of F. Babkov, an interview with Katusev, the then prosecutor of the USSR !!
      3. kNow
        +2
        29 January 2013 18: 20
        Quote: Greyfox
        Why not offer the parties to the conflict the "Peace for land" formula?

        Hmm ... So you can give away all the land ...
      4. tungus-meteorit
        -1
        30 January 2013 23: 08
        By the way, it’s a good peacekeeping idea, but here some hateful half-witted people will breed rotten heroism here right now: like we’ll defeat everyone and take our own ... it was already like that: they took away Karabakh, I remember how these heroes fled from the battlefield in droves and not yet many Armenians would have captured both Nakhchivan and Ganja, and maybe even Baku
    5. nickname 1 and 2
      +1
      29 January 2013 09: 57
      If WARs are lit, does that mean someone needs it?

      Take the warriors to the barracks! No one will steal anything from you.
      1. Vuqar
        -1
        29 January 2013 13: 31
        Quote: nick 1 and 2

        If WARs are lit, does that mean someone needs it?


        This war could have been avoided if the Kremlin had wanted to, but the Kremlin had added fuel to the fire so that it would burn well. And then, with one lever, keep the two countries under the hood. This is a chic method, but not eternal. As a result, he will lose both of them. By the way, what is happening now. I do not believe in the oaths of fidelity in the brotherhood between Armenians and Russians !!! I have the facts to think so.

        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        No one will steal anything from you.

        All that could have been stolen.
        1. Denis_SF
          +2
          29 January 2013 14: 30
          Quote: Vuqar
          This war could have been avoided if the Kremlin wanted it, but the Kremlin added fuel to the fire

          The bloody gebnya is to blame for everything, who else, not the Armenians themselves from Sumgait arranged and everything that flowed out of it.
          1. Vuqar
            -1
            29 January 2013 14: 54
            Quote: Denis_SF
            the Armenians themselves did not arrange Sumgait with the Azeris and everything that flowed from it.

            What did they do in Sumgait? Already the whole world has woken up that this is a provocation and you are still sleeping)))))) Denis read the latest news and especially about Eduard from Sumgait and where he went after the trial, who he is and what he did. Okay Read and then talk.
            1. v.armen_70
              +2
              29 January 2013 15: 40
              Well, safarov provocateur !!
              1. Vuqar
                0
                29 January 2013 15: 46
                Quote: v.armen_70

                Well, safarov provocateur !!


                Provocator? But what are you not telling about an ARMENIAN who killed 2 consuls in the USA, who invited him to eat at home, and how he shot a coward from behind. It's about the Turkish consuls. And then he was extradited to Armenia and even a play was written to him. Why don’t you tell me about this aaaa ???????

                And if you started talking about Safarov, then why don’t you tell that he, this provocateur, his relatives in Karabakh died, and your soldiers took before him began to insult his homeland and flag. Why aren’t you talking about this? Why?

                Only you know what fables to tell about the sleeping beauty. Yes, the NATO hotels, the rooms where the officers lived, the doors were open, without locks, like in a cave, they say come in whoever you want))))))))))))) Not tired? Can we start honestly and honestly communicate?
          2. Yarbay
            -1
            29 January 2013 21: 51
            Quote: Denis_SF
            The bloody gebnya is to blame for everything, who else, not the Armenians themselves from Sumgait arranged and everything that flowed out of it.

            It is the Armenians themselves with the support of certain forces !!
            punch Eduard Grigoryan on the Internet, there are shots of his interrogation!
            1. whispering
              +1
              30 January 2013 23: 09
              Quote: Yarbay
              It is the Armenians themselves with the support of certain forces !!
              punch Eduard Grigoryan on the Internet, there are shots of his interrogation!

              Are you out of your mind ? you’re sick to the fullest .... how is it that the Armenians moved the family of the Armenians themselves so much? .. I would advise you to turn to a psychiatrist ... although this is not treatable, but in any case the attempt is not torture ... maybe ... what
              1. Yarbay
                +1
                30 January 2013 23: 38
                Quote: Shota
                how is it that the Armenians perezalil so much the family of the Armenians themselves?

                How many families ??
                Sick you !!
                Grigoryan organized gangs, he participated in the murders and personally raped three Armenian women!
                You know this very well!
                Three such Grigoryans were arrested, and how many still managed to escape !!
      2. Yarbay
        0
        30 January 2013 21: 43
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        Take the warriors to the barracks! No one will steal anything from you.

        After you and after the liberation of your homeland!
    6. 416sd
      +4
      29 January 2013 10: 22
      The key point is the gap between February and October ... The first is the presidential election in Armenia. The second is the presidential election in Azerbaijan.
    7. +24
      29 January 2013 10: 32
      After all Armenians managed to prevent aggressive raids of Persians, Turks and Russians for nearly two millennia, and yet their autonomous enclave was included by Stalin in the Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic


      I never would have thought that there are hallucinogenic mushrooms in Los Angeles, Carol Williams is clearly a lover of this matter. here the raids of the aggressive Russians against the brave Armenians seem to be.
      1. +9
        29 January 2013 11: 18
        That's for sure)))))) What would have happened to the Armenian population if it were not for the "evil" Russians, probably the Turks completely cut them out, since all other powers did not care about them a hundred years ago, and the "evil" Russians under the command of Yudenich, they gouged the Turks to the very Erzurum, thereby contributing a lot to the cessation of the massacre, at least in those areas.
        1. Yarbay
          0
          29 January 2013 21: 54
          Quote: Andrey57
          That's for sure)))))) What would have happened to the Armenian population if it were not for the "evil" Russians, probably the Turks completely cut them out, since all other powers did not care about them a hundred years ago, and the "evil" Russians under the command of Yudenich, they gouged the Turks to the very Erzurum, thereby contributing a lot to the cessation of the massacre, at least in those areas.
          and then the Armenian armed units began to kill the Turks, civilians!
          Read the memories of Lieutenant Colonel Tverdokhlebov in the internet is !!!
      2. +5
        29 January 2013 12: 12
        Quote: Ascetic
        I would never have thought that there are hallucinogenic mushrooms in Los Angeles

        Stanislav, there is not so much mushrooms as a way of thinking ... and this is pathology, the medicine is only one AX
        1. MilaPhone
          0
          29 January 2013 16: 32
          After all, the Armenians managed to prevent the aggressive raids of the Persians, Turks and Russians for almost two millennia.

          Apparently an aunt from America means the Bolsheviks.
          Wikipedia clipping:
          On May 28, 1918, an independent Republic of Armenia was created on the territory of Russian Armenia as part of the territories of the former Erivan province and the Kars region of the Russian Empire. As a result of the fall of 1920, the Armenian-Turkish war, the Kemalists, supported by the Russian Bolsheviks, won [53]. The Armenian-Turkish war ended with the signing of the Adrianapol treaty. On November 29 of the same year, the 11th Army of the Red Army entered the territory of the Republic of Armenia as part of the Erivan operation (in Soviet historiography, the date was considered to be the day of the proclamation of the Armenian SSR); On December 2 of the same year, the Armenian government adopted the ultimatum of the government of the RSFSR, presented by the Russian envoy B.V. Legrand (Armenia was declared an independent Socialist Soviet Republic under the protectorate of the RSFSR
      3. Vuqar
        0
        29 January 2013 13: 53
        Quote: Ascetic
        I never would have thought that there are hallucinogenic mushrooms in Los Angeles, Carol Williams is clearly a lover of this matter. here the raids of the aggressive Russians against the brave Armenians seem to be.


        Ascetic, I read these lines

        After all, the Armenians managed to prevent the aggressive raids of the Persians, Turks and Russians for almost two millennia


        This is of course ridiculous, but they have no equal in rewriting history. They are professionals of this. If you look at it from the other side, it will bear fruit in the near future. They know how to do it. Sin is not to say GOOD.

        Not far from the Colosseum in Rome there is an ancient map. Take a look.




        This map shows the territories of the Roman Empire and neighboring regions from 146 BC. and until the year 14 CE However, even with a cursory glance, it becomes clear that these are not “ancient maps”, but only a modern concrete model attached to the wall of the Coliseum in order to familiarize visiting tourists with the area of ​​Ancient Rome. In addition, the map is compiled in the modern borders and outlines of the continents, rivers and seas, as it is a copy of a photograph of this geographical region taken from space. And it is clear to the student that the ancient Romans could not draw maps with the accuracy that can be achieved by taking a photograph from space, the more the Romans could not predict what the outlines of the region would look like in 2000 years after their life.


        BUT to the whole world they present this as proof of their antiquity and everyone hawala this info. That is the question!!!!
        1. +4
          29 January 2013 15: 08
          Vuqar,

          Palestine was also conquered ancient hyksos Armenians in the 18th century BC The emergence of the ancient Jews in Egypt was associated with the conquest of this country by the Hyksos (1750-1580 BC).

          I quote further
          The first liberation wars were waged by the ancestor of Armenians Hayk (a descendant of Japheth) against Bel (a descendant of Ham). Ike opposed everyone who sought sole power over all the heroes.
          The first outcome, the return to the "promised" land, was carried out by Hayk and his relatives, returning from Babylon to his father’s land of Ararat. The ancient Jews (the descendants of Shem) followed suit, displacing the Canaanites (descendants of Ham) from Palestine. Two “captures” of Jews under the Armenian king Tigran Sredny, when the settlers were placed in Armavir and Vagharshapat, and later, when the Jews were placed in the city of Shamiram (ie Van), are due to the historical memory (divine memory) of the return of the descendants of two sons Sima on the "promised" territory. These sons separated from Shem and settled in Ararat land, after their father began to scout the land, going to the north-west. Before the division of the speech of the human race, the separation of religion (faith) was begun. The last bearers of the paternal faith were the Hyksos, mountain (Sasun) Armenians (aiki), khachapashty (crusaders).
          For the first time, Ara the Beautiful, the Armenian king (descendant of Hayk), voluntarily giving up the royal throne, which the beautiful Shamiram, the mistress of Assyria, showed to him the noble refusal of the sole right to own the world. This throne belonged to a descendant of Ham - Nin (husband Shamiram). The Jewish prophet Jeremiah, in words calling for a war against Babylon - “Call the kingdom of Ararat and the army of Ascanaz!” - expresses an extremely important idea. Its historical background lies in the period when the descendants of Japheth and Shem jointly opposed the invaders (descendants of Ham) and defeated the latter. The story then repeated. History repeats itself now.

          The passage is taken from the monograph by Grigory Vaganyan “Stone Chronicle of Civilization”
          here

          So the whole civilization began with the Armenians wink And the Jews, too, thanks to the Armenians were able to make an exodus to the "promised land"
          Armenians are descendants of the ten tribes of Israel
          here
          1. +5
            29 January 2013 15: 21
            Quote: Ascetic
            Armenians are descendants of the ten tribes of Israel

            Now the Armenians are descendants of the Jews. It is strange, despite the fact that just a huge Jewish community lived in Azerbaijan, Jews practically did not live in Armenia. (like other nationalities) Armenia was the only one of the Union republics, where 97% of the inhabitants were indigenous peoples (i.e., Armenians). But in Soviet times, no one could get along with them. I have no other explanation for the absence of other nationalities in Armenia.
            1. +7
              29 January 2013 17: 50
              Quote: atalef
              Now the Armenians are descendants of the Jews.


              No. these Jews are just an Armenian branch. 2 out of 10 knees laughing
              Many people note the amazing similarity between Armenians and Jews - their business qualities, talents in medicine, astronomy, sense of humor, etc. It is not for nothing that there are sayings like "From two cauldrons of Jews, the devils boiled one Armenian", "where the Armenian passed, there is nothing for a Jew to do", etc. There is even an expression: “Armenians are the Jews of the East”. Due to the same talent for certain types of activities, Armenians and Jews were often competitors, hence the hostility between these two peoples. European Jews are called Ashkenazi. Ashken is an Armenian proper name, because Western Armenia was once conquered by the Scythians ("kingdom of Magog"), a people of Iranian origin. Ashkenaz, according to the Bible (Genesis, X, 3) and Armenia by Jeremiah (Jer. 51, 27, 28) is mentioned in connection with the kingdoms of Ararot and Minni and next to Media as a tribe hostile to the Babylonians. The Khazars considered themselves the descendants of the lost tribes of Israel who had forgotten the faith, which is consistent with the above-described legend about the origin of the Armenians from the enemies of Babylon. Many consider Ashkenazi Jews to be the descendants of the Khazars, and the Bible calls Armenia by the word "Ashkenaz"

              But Jews may not worry, it turns out Kiev and Old Russian civilization, according to some researchers, were also organized by Armenians
              According to an old Russian legend, 3 brothers - founders of the city, dating back to the Khazars, brothers Kiy, Schek and Khoriv, ​​their sister Lebed, founded cities named after the brothers - Kiev and others. In the "History of Taron" brothers Kuar, Meltey and Khorian (and their sister Karap, - "swan" in Armenian!) Also found cities in Armenia named after them. T.N. "Vlesov's book" (although the source is questionable) connects the foundation of Kiev with Smbat Bagratuni - a Jew in the service of Armenians, Byzantium and Iran, and from the Bulgarian sources we again see the founder of Kiev the same Sambat, and the very ancient name Kiev Sambat proves this, with than some Armenian enthusiasts agree.


              So if anyone can compare with the Armenians in their significance in history, then only ancient ukry
              1. +3
                29 January 2013 19: 03
                Quote: Ascetic
                But Jews may not worry, it turns out Kiev and Old Russian civilization, according to some researchers, were also organized by Armenians

                It's not like that, it was organized by the Ukrainians, who (according to some historians) descended from the Atlanteans.
                Stanislav, you yourself at least read what you save and pest. ? I recommend there is something to laugh at.
                Quote: Ascetic
                So if anyone can compare with the Armenians in their importance in history, then only ancient ukry

                Sorry, I didn’t notice the last post, you are sure to understand that all this is just nonsense.
                1. +4
                  29 January 2013 19: 26
                  atalef,

                  Quote: atalef
                  Sorry, I didn’t notice the last post, you are sure to understand that all this is just nonsense.

                  It follows that the post you are going to comment on must be read to the end. And any falsifications of history, speculation and just nonsense are aimed specific political tasks of the current government in a particular country

                  In this regard, the Armenians are far from alone
                  1. +2
                    29 January 2013 19: 43
                    Quote: Ascetic
                    And any falsifications of history, speculation and just nonsense are aimed at specific political tasks of the current government in a particular country


                    Dear Stanislav, Good evening and take off my hat in the literal sense hi и + good
                  2. +4
                    29 January 2013 19: 53
                    Quote: Ascetic
                    And any falsifications of history, speculation and just nonsense are aimed at specific political tasks of the current government in a particular country

                    And thank God for the main population of the Earth, the head is intended not only to be in it, but also to think and separate delirium and provocation from the truth.
                    Best regards hi
                    1. +6
                      29 January 2013 20: 06
                      atalef,

                      By the way, your "predecessor" Karish also did not have a desire to read the post to the end before commenting on it, breaking it down into phrases. Do not repeat
                      "his mistakes" hi
                      1. +2
                        29 January 2013 22: 34
                        Quote: Ascetic
                        By the way, your "predecessor" Karish
                        Do you see a certain continuity?
                        1. +4
                          30 January 2013 00: 55
                          Uncle,

                          In any case, here this is not the first nickname of the same person, however here he is not alone, it means the site is interesting and popular and you need to enter mainstream, even entered the blacklist to make it easier. Nevermind
                          follow the rules of the site and everything will be fine. hi
              2. +3
                29 January 2013 22: 33
                Quote: Ascetic
                Many note the amazing similarity between Armenians and Jews
                Considering that Noah's Ark "landed" on Mount Ararat, then Noah is the first Armenian.
            2. +2
              29 January 2013 19: 14
              Quote: atalef
              Armenia was the only one of the union republics where 97% of the inhabitants were indigenous peoples (i.e., Armenians).


              This is a bit wrong. This is now Armenia is almost a mono-ethnic state. In the USSR, the state tried to impede the mono-ethnic composition of the republics, both economically (objects of all-Union significance were built everywhere, young specialists were sent to doctors, teachers, engineers) and politically and ideologically.
              Take 1970 All-Union Census in the Armenian SSR
              In total - 2491873. Armenians - 2208327 (88%); Azerbaijanis - 148189 (6%). Russians-66108 (2.6%) and Kurds -37486 (1.5%). The rest was less than a percent. Jews by the census by the way there were 1003 people
              On 1989 census Total -3304776. Armenians - 3 083 616 (93.3%). Azerbaijanis - 84860 (2.5%) Russians-51555 (1.5%) Kurds-56127 (1.7%) Jews-666 people.

              The population of Armenia, as of July 1, 2010, increased by 2009 thousand people compared to the same period in 13,9 and amounted to 3 million 254,6 thousand people, the National Statistics Service (NSS) of the country reports. - the only country of the former USSR with an almost mono-ethnic population (97,9% of Armenians). The largest ethnic minorities of Armenia are Yezidis, Russians, Assyrians, Ukrainians, Kurds, Greeks, Georgians, Belarusians. According to the NSS of Armenia, more than 2010 thousand people entered the country during the first half of 4,1, more than 6,4 left its borders. XNUMX thousand people.
              here

              Although the drift towards mono-ethnicity is inherent in all CIS countries to one degree or another. In Armenia, this process was most "successful" judging by the above statistics.
            3. +2
              29 January 2013 22: 31
              Quote: atalef
              Now the Armenians are descendants of the Jews.

              Armenians are Christians, therefore Jews accepted Christ! This is just revolutionary information. laughing
          2. Vuqar
            +1
            29 January 2013 15: 25
            Ascetic, there will be time, read a couple of things from here

            http://nofalsify.com/

            Everything is documented there. By the way, many Russian experts.
          3. kNow
            0
            29 January 2013 15: 52
            Quote: Ascetic
            ancient hyksos Armenians


            Dear Stanislav, how do hai differ from Armenians?
            1. Vuqar
              0
              29 January 2013 16: 00
              Quote: kNow
              Dear Stanislav, how do hai differ from Armenians?

              The Armenian sources themselves agree with the arrival of Armenians in the South Caucasus. Armenian academician Kapantsyan says on this occasion that initially the population of the country of Arman consisted of Hurrians and Subars. Chai (ancestors of modern Armenians) captured Urartu in cultural and political significance in the XNUMXth-XNUMXrd centuries. BC. and consolidated with local tribes. The process of the formation of the Hayas people was completed only by the XNUMXrd century. Consequently, the Armenians, strictly speaking, are not "indigenous", because they came to the lands where the Urarts lived before them. Moreover, after the “old Armenians”, “new Armenians” came there, that is, “hais”, who had nothing in common with either the “old Armenians” (the “arme” tribes), or even more so with the Urarts who were related to the Chechens. Who are the Armenians? The fact is that modern Armenians call themselves not “Armenians”, but “hai”, but their state “Hayastan”. The geographic concept "Armenia" from the people of "Arme", who lived there long before the Hays, and has nothing to do with modern Armenians (Hays). As for the hays themselves, there are different theories regarding their origin. According to one - they came from the Balkans, according to the other - from Mesopotamia.

              As for the so-called. of the "ancient Armenian" state of Urartu, which existed in the area around Lake Van, the Urartian cuneiforms were deciphered on the basis of the Chechen language, which has nothing in common with Armenian and differs from it in the same way as Chinese differs from English. This shows that the Armenians (hais) are also newcomers to the modern Republic of Armenia. FROM MINOITS AND HELINES The Greeks are also "alien" people in Greece. The ancestors of the Hellenes came to Greece from the north several thousand years ago. Initially, the Balkans were inhabited not by Greeks, but by completely different tribes and peoples. There was an ancient Minoan civilization on the island of Crete, culturally associated with Egypt, Asia Minor and had nothing to do with the Greeks. In the second millennium BC. the first Greeks, the Achaeans, came to the Balkans. Their appearance was a phenomenon within the framework of the general movements of the Indo-Europeans in this era. The Achaeans founded large, well-fortified cities, the most famous of which were Mycenae (after which the new civilization was called "Mycenaean") and Tiryns. But at the beginning of the XII century BC. A new shock awaited the Balkans - the invasion of the Dorians. The Dorians were also Indo-Europeans, but no more akin to the Achaeans than, say, the Slavs. In ancient times, this, later cultured people, was still completely barbaric and wild. The Dorian invasion destroyed the Mycenaean civilization. The country's political and technical development was thrown back. That is, we see that the Minoans are more "indigenous" than the Greeks (Achaeans and Dorians). But they cannot be called completely "indigenous" either. Indeed, even earlier, before the Minoan civilization, the Balkans and Europe in general were inhabited by completely different tribes and peoples, which have now completely disappeared, have become extinct and about which science knows practically nothing and is unlikely to ever learn anything. They did not have a written language, so they did not leave inscriptions by which one could at least judge their language, and archaeological data cannot unambiguously answer many questions. According to one theory, in prehistoric times, Europe was inhabited by Negroids. On the other hand, it is assumed that the Iberians who inhabited Spain before the arrival of the Romans in the XNUMXst millennium BC were related to modern African Tuaregs and Berbers. Prior to this, the theory was also considered about their relationship to the Georgians, which was unequivocally not confirmed.
              1. Vuqar
                0
                29 January 2013 16: 04
                A huge mistake was that until 1920, the buried Armenia / Arman and Hayastan in history were used as synonyms. Because these are 2 different geographical areas and each got its name in different historical periods. And the names are far from the same people. Each of them is an ethnic name, but Arman belongs to the ancient Turkic clan of Near and Central Asia, while Haiastan is the name of the state (present Armenia) belonging to the people of Indo-European origin - hay (now incorrectly called by Armenians) to understand which of the original Turkic ethnonyms with the Arman / Ermen component spread from Asia Minor right up to Altai; some of them need to be considered (19):

                Ermen Dagi (Mount Ermen) (Kazakhstan - Abdyrakhmanov 1975, 90)

                Ermentau (city) (Kazakhstan - HPP, 1987,126)

                Eriman (Kazakhstan, toponym in the region of Agadir - OKZhSA, 232)

                Erman gyshlagy (Ermen kishlak) (= Khazarak, Uzbekistan, Saryosiye - Nafasov 1988, 222)

                Ermen-delhi (steppe) (Turkmenistan, Yylanly-Ataniyazov district 1980, 327)

                Ermenigum (Turkmenistan, toponym - Ataniyazov 1988, 138)

                Arman-gala / Arman Fortress (fortress near Ashgabat - Ataniyazov, 1980, 43)

                Arman (toponym in the same place, mentioned in the 1818th year of MITT, II, 413)

                Arman (toponym in Bashkiria, Baymak district)
            2. +2
              29 January 2013 18: 14
              kNow,

              There is a widespread version inside Armenia, arising on the basis of consonance with the word “high,” about the residence of proto-Armenian tribes in the Hayas region, who fought with the Hittite kingdom in the 21nd millennium BC. In the eighties of the twentieth century, this version was also supported by the Armenian hypothesis of the origin of the Indo-European language. However, this version is rejected by the majority of the world scientific community as groundless [4] (together with the Armenian hypothesis [22] [23] [XNUMX]), and in its current distribution in Armenia, a number of scientists see ideological rather than scientific motives [2


              From Wikipedia
          4. MilaPhone
            +2
            29 January 2013 16: 23
            Quote: Vuqar
            Vuqar

            By the way, the map you presented depicts two Armenian states - Armenia and Cilicia, which existed from 1080 to 1375. In 1375 it was captured by Egyptian Mamelukes. Mountain Cilicia was captured by the Ottoman Empire in the 1515th century; the lowland Cilicia submitted to the Turks in XNUMX.

            The famous Russian poet, prose writer and historian Valery Yakovlevich Bryusov, in his book "Chronicle of the historical fate of the Armenian people" writes about the Kingdom of Cilicia as one of the centers of the spiritual life of all mankind:
            “Armenia in the second half of the Middle Ages managed to create a center of true culture in the East, withstanding one struggle with all of Asia”
            1. +2
              29 January 2013 19: 07
              Quote: Milafon
              “Armenia in the second half of the Middle Ages managed to create a center of true culture in the East, withstanding one struggle with all of Asia”

              All these past merits and should not rest on their laurels. Who will remember that Mali in the Middle Ages was the richest state in the world (the most literally) Because of deposits of salt and gold. And where is she now? A bunch of Tuareg and Bedouins riding camels. As they were in the Middle Ages, they remained (only Kalash instead of bows and spears)
              It is necessary to look if in the Middle Ages they achieved something, and then multiplied and continue to multiply. How is it in Armenia now?
      4. dmb
        +2
        29 January 2013 19: 39
        Moreover, they study geography from the US globe. "Lawrence Sheets, director of the International Crisis Group for the South Caucasus, believes that Nagorno-Karabakh is a strategic territory where Europe and Asia meet. She said that it is an incredibly important trade route not only for energy, but for shipping and other purposes." Where they found navigable rivers there, I don’t know.
      5. Yarbay
        +1
        29 January 2013 21: 52
        Quote: Ascetic
        I never would have thought that there are hallucinogenic mushrooms in Los Angeles, Carol Williams is clearly a lover of this matter. here the raids of the aggressive Russians against the brave Armenians seem to be.

        It surprised me too, especially as they successfully fought back for 2 thousand years)))))))
        1. +4
          29 January 2013 22: 29
          Quote: Yarbay
          It surprised me too, especially as they successfully fought back for 2 thousand years)))))))


          In their stores with vodka and expired cheese cakes smile
    8. +4
      29 January 2013 10: 56
      Lawrence Sheets, director of the International Crisis Group for the South Caucasus, believes that Nagorno-Karabakh is a strategic territory where Europe and Asia come into contact. According to Sheets, this is an incredibly important trade route, not only for energy, but for shipping and other purposes.

      And shipping here what side?
      If it stands in the way of any transport corridor, then Karabakh is not alone.
      There is also Armenia.
      1. +3
        29 January 2013 11: 22
        So "Lawrence Shits" everything is just very good with the geography, and we are firmly convinced that Karabakh simply angrily does not let Amerov's tankers for Caspian oil, blocking all the rivers with ropes lol
    9. +8
      29 January 2013 11: 02
      It must be said bluntly that the further preservation of the status of the CWO in Nagorno-Karabakh is in the hands of Armenia, which is developing this territory. Stalin is called the father of the conflict. Under Joseph Vissarionovich there was no conflict who was guilty of the conflict and the deaths in Nagorno-Karabakh - a clique: Gorbachev-Yeltsin, who was guilty of the deaths of hundreds of thousands in Chechnya-Gorbachev-Yeltsin, the deaths of thousands of people in the Baltic States-Gorbachev-Yeltsin, many thousand people in Georgia-Gorbachev-Yeltsin, the deaths of hundreds of thousands in Central Asia-Gorbachev-Yeltsin, millions in Russia Gorbachev-Yeltsin. Gorbachev received the nobel, but still he and the EBNu would need a snob. Indeed, the abbreviation of the first president of Russia corresponds to his affairs.
    10. +1
      29 January 2013 11: 08
      After all, the Armenians were able to prevent aggressive raids Persians, Turks and Russian for nearly two millennia

      Very interesting, and with which moon?
    11. anchonsha
      +4
      29 January 2013 11: 12
      Yes, there will be no war between Baku and Yerevan. But such a skirmish will go on constantly with the participation of nationalists both on the one hand and on the other with the help of the active work of the USA in the form of new technologies. After all, the United States has its own interests anywhere in the world.
      1. Artmark
        +3
        29 January 2013 12: 57
        You are right that there will be no wars so far, as the author noted in both Armenia and Azerbaijan pre-election (show-offs) ... and God forbid that there was no war, the common people do not need it!
        1. Vuqar
          0
          29 January 2013 13: 04
          Quote: ArtMark
          and God forbid that the war was not twist it does not need ordinary people!

          Quite right, but no one has canceled the issue of occupation of Azerbaijani lands. So, too, this cannot continue.
    12. +3
      29 January 2013 11: 46
      Good morning friends!
      This is purely my point of view, if not right, then sorry.
      This Nagorno-Karabakh needs to be made a kind of supposedly free economic zone with very low taxes. Then big business will go there, and since it is always connected with the government, then these governments will find a thousand reasons to hush it all up. Then the Armenians and Azerbaijanis will become not blood enemies but blood brothers. Governments have these opportunities.
      1. +3
        29 January 2013 15: 04
        Heinrich, you are thinking correctly, but these categories do not fit at the moment. Both sides are "charged" for the conflict. Peaceful resolution of the conflict is from the realm of dreams and fantasy, unfortunately ...
        1. +2
          29 January 2013 16: 21
          Alexander, they would have taken the provinces with Kamchka, walked along their exuberant little heads, not strangers, and would have calmed down ..... Here sometimes you need to beat your own so that strangers are afraid.
    13. Artmark
      +3
      29 January 2013 11: 49
      Good day to all. The usual article is nothing new except that refugees from Syria are resettled in Karabakh. Dear, this is not serious and not logical! No one running away from the war will not go where tomorrow the same thing can happen again! Peace to everyone!
    14. +2
      29 January 2013 12: 23
      Quote: ArtMark
      No one running away from the war will not go to where tomorrow the same thing can happen again!


      This is a correct point.
      But you only saw the top of the mountain. And the titular Armenian population of NK is leaving Karabakh, fleeing from the "expected war". Children go to study in the main Armenia, stay there, then transport their parents. Officials of the NK, a priori, have long ago sent families to "quiet" places. Someone leaves for Europe, the States. That is, the territory of NK is emptying
      So not far to the expression: "Armenians used to live here"
      To live, you need to earn money, I don’t think that everything is wonderful with employment in the Tax Code, which means that there work migrationwho is in Yerevan, who is in Moscow ....
      That is why people from Syria got into NK; the population of NK is replenished.
      1. Artmark
        +3
        29 January 2013 12: 50
        You are right that there is a problem with employment, people need to live like that. And I don’t think that they will go there to help Syrians Armenians as refugees
        with respect !
    15. +3
      29 January 2013 12: 26
      One remark, dear Oleg, the map would be in Russian. It would not be bad good
    16. +3
      29 January 2013 12: 40
      Until now, I am duping the text about how the "Armenians raids of the Russians" were holding back ..........
      I didn’t just imagine the 140 millionth Russian raid on Armenia .....
      1. kNow
        -1
        29 January 2013 18: 31
        Quote: Manager
        Until now, I am duping the text about how the "Armenians raids of the Russians" were holding back ..........
        I didn’t just imagine the 140 millionth Russian raid on Armenia .....

        Now they are taking revenge on you. And they make regular air raids to Russia. winked
    17. +2
      29 January 2013 12: 51
      Instead of seeking mutually beneficial cooperation, the neighbors are looking for a reason for contention. This applies to all countries of the former USSR. Mythical grievances on neighbors veil over the real benefits of cooperation. In the modern Western democratic world, words and delusions are all, realities are nothing! And there is only one background - everyone wants power !!!
      1. Vuqar
        -1
        29 January 2013 13: 06
        Quote: Kosmodrom
        Instead of seeking mutually beneficial cooperation, the neighbors are looking for a reason for contention.

        Exactly, did they live in Azerbaijan (I’m talking about Armenians) and lived in Karabakh, did anyone touch or oppress them? The best posts held. What now? They cannot live in their homeland, I'm about a commoner, there is no work, Armenia has lost all economic projects. It's good?

        Quote: Kosmodrom
        Mythical grievances on the neighbors

        The genocide of Azerbaijanis in Khojaly is a myth for you?
    18. Vuqar
      0
      29 January 2013 12: 59
      Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
      Then the Armenians and Azerbaijanis will become not blood enemies but blood brothers.

      In the next 100 years, a brotherhood between Azerbaijanis and Armenians is not possible. Rather, the cancer on the mountain will whistle than it will. 2 times, this has already happened, even a donkey does not step twice into the same pit, but we people who are not mistaken thought we’ll forgive, everything will be fine, but now there is no place for reconciliation. At the state level, our ministers do not have the right to speak about their personal views on the Armenians, if we tell the truth, the Armenians will raise this issue on the world stage, they will say, look, how they hate us, and you say live with them. For this reason, everyone is talking about peace.For this reason, that the minister does not say, the truth is one thing, even if the land is not returned in a peaceful way, which I do not believe in, there will be a war and there will be. The war will be due to the following factors.
      1) Rematch for the 90s
      2) For genocide
      3) Not one Azerbaijani, Karabakh will not forget, it is already embedded in the bones of Azerbaijanis.

      If Russia gets involved in some kind of war, Azerbaijan will definitely take advantage of this.

      Quote: Greyfox
      Azerbaijan recognizes the independence of Karabakh and agrees to reunification with Armenia, receiving in return Lachin

      Come on :) What do you dispose of our state lands? Who gave you this right?

      Quote: Andrey57
      Most likely, Azerbaijan will not succeed in negotiating with Iran due to the pro-Amerian orientation of Azerbaijan

      Again, do not write the truth. Yes, we have more enemies in the US than in Armenia itself. I always wonder when they write such posts. REMEMBER ANDREI, not Azerbaijan turned its back on Russia, but Russia turned its back on Azerbaijan and this is not the first time I’ve noticed! Not Azerbaijan turned away from Iran and Iran turned away from Azerbaijan. Not Azerbaijan meddles in Iran’s affairs, but Iran has always meddled. They speak of Islamic solidarity, but their words are worthless. ATTENTION 1 TIME ANDREY, did you put yourself in the place of Azerbaijanis? I repeat again, it was not we who turned away from Russia, but the Russian authorities from us. And then write with sarcasm, they say they are looking in the direction of America. We are not looking, but you turned our heads towards the WEST. Don't you really understand and you need to chew everything? I would have seen your faces if Azerbaijan began arming and financing the Chechens and at the same time swearing your friendship. The KREMLIN authorities do the same. Why are you looking for dust in the eyes of others and do not see logs in your eye?

      I do not want to insult you, just be honest !!!


      Azerbaijan is arming itself, Azerbaijan is not Georgia. We do not climb Russia, we want the only thing, to restore our lands. Any way we will restore. It is in Russia's interests, of course, to prevent a war, since if a war starts in Karabakh, this is the beginning of the 3rd World War. But we won’t give up our land, be in the power of even Aliyev, even Mammadov.
      1. +3
        29 January 2013 13: 14
        Quote: Greyfox
        Azerbaijan recognizes the independence of Karabakh and agrees to reunification with Armenia, receiving in return Lachin
        Come on :) What do you dispose of our state lands? Who gave you this right?

        If you haven’t noticed, then I don’t dispose of it, I suggest. Are the hot Azerbaijani guys want a war? For God's sake, I already wished one good luck at the front. In general, it’s probably good to talk about the murders while sitting in a cozy Swedish far away ....
        since if war begins in Karabakh, then this is the beginning of the 3 world

        You overestimate the importance of this region for the planet. laughing
        1. Vuqar
          0
          29 January 2013 13: 23
          Quote: Greyfox
          Hot Azerbaijani guys want war?

          If your neighbor will take your room from you, please tell me, take it, use it for health? Did I understand correctly?
          Quote: Greyfox
          In general, it’s probably good to talk about the murders while sitting in a cozy Swedish far away ....

          I am an employee of the embassy.

          Quote: Greyfox
          You overestimate the importance of this region for the planet.

          Why did you take Gyumri at 49 years?
          1. +1
            29 January 2013 13: 31
            I am an employee of the embassy.

            Which confirms my hunch that most of all about war people like to argue who are not threatened by the call smile It is even more strange that a person who professionally must do everything to avoid war calls for war.
            Why did you take Gyumri at 49 years?

            Explain your point in more detail (a diplomat, after all). Many will not understand that this is a Russian base in Armenia. And we also have other places in the base. Yes, until recently, it was in Gabala. So what?
            1. Vuqar
              +1
              29 January 2013 13: 41
              Quote: Greyfox
              Which confirms my hunch that most of all about war people like to argue who are not threatened by the call

              besides with the rank that he had already served. And we have someone to serve and fight. And when a large-scale war, everyone will go as cute, where to go.

              Well, if you do not understand, then explain.
              Nakhchivan under the Turkmenchay treaty from and to protecting Turkey + there are many treaties and factors, if Russia openly joins the Karabakh war, Turkey will not be on the side. How do you think this will end? Given the dirty politics of the United States, it will arm and sell weapons. They are always where the war is. What will happen in the end, the Russian guys will fight in a foreign war and you can’t do without victims, but do you need this?

              You do not rush, soon in a couple of months a new gas price for Russia will come into force, then you will read what is happening and at this rate you and Gyumri will lose. If you still do not understand, then the policy of the current Kremlin is to spoil relations with all neighbors. Soon, a new scandal will break out with Ukraine. Gazprom asks for billions from Ukraine.

              No offense I hope.
              1. +4
                29 January 2013 13: 53
                Yes, what grievances, your Armenian-Azerbaijani get-together scares me only in terms of the landing of the second "Baku" and the second "Yerevan" deserter army corps on our territory. As usual "with children and households" smile
        2. Rustem1000
          0
          29 January 2013 14: 38
          You overestimate the importance of this region.
          All wars start for nothing hi
        3. Perch_xnumx
          +1
          29 January 2013 17: 00
          You overestimate the importance of this region for the planet
          Is it not true, as it so happened, various rumors about the timing of the start of the operation against Iran, the civil war in Syria, the gestures of Turkey. Azerbaijan’s best friends are Israel (and why should it)? And here the tension on the Karabakh issue is growing, the Azerbaijani patriots are ready even tomorrow to fight for their homeland. It is no accident that an army group is located in Dagestan.
          Someone really wants to organize another slaughter instead of living quietly peacefully, the victors can and will, but there will be little joy from this.
        4. kNow
          +1
          29 January 2013 18: 33
          Quote: Greyfox
          If you haven’t noticed, then I don’t dispose of it, I suggest. Are the hot Azerbaijani guys want a war?

          In this war, we have already lost 30.000 worthy sons. They didn’t ask us if we want war - they imposed it on us, and we should disentangle it to the end ....
          1. +2
            29 January 2013 20: 05
            In this war, we have already lost 30.000 worthy sons. They didn’t ask us if we want war - they imposed it on us, and we should disentangle it to the end ....

            I already realized that those who are far from the front are ready to fight until the last Azerbaijani. Sadly all this .....
            1. Yarbay
              0
              29 January 2013 21: 57
              Quote: Greyfox
              I already realized that those who are far from the front are ready to fight until the last Azerbaijani. Sadly all this ....

              I am a reserve officer, two cousins ​​acting officers !!
              one nephew is graduating from a military school this year !!
            2. +3
              29 January 2013 23: 42
              Quote: Greyfox
              I already realized that those who are far from the front are ready to fight until the last Azerbaijani. Sadly all this .....

              Well, those who are far from the front and are not going to fight there. Well, purely from my observations, I have met such types. But among the Armenians there are more. In St. Petersburg, for sure.
              I’m for the war if it will be with the lowest possible losses. So far I don’t see this. So now I’m against the war. But if I go, I have a brother and I will have someone to leave my family with. I am generally against the call of one only son. But I know one thing for a dumb incompetent order, I will shoot the commander’s head. When I served in the police very often my hand reached out for service weapons, when a man doesn’t understand a dick, but he sits and teaches you that, it’s wrong with you. and Sadigova will not quit starting a war is not worth it. And if external factors are added here ... So far, it is not necessary. Maximum readiness and only then complete land cleansing from the invaders.
      2. +8
        29 January 2013 13: 23
        Quote: Vuqar
        1) Rematch for the 90s
        2) For genocide
        3) Not one Azerbaijani, Karabakh will not forget, it is already embedded in the bones of Azerbaijanis.

        See Dear. Everyone on this site knows that I am German, Germany attacked the USSR in 41 years. How many lives did it cost the Russian people (battlefields, end of camp, etc.). I live in Germany .... And here they do not blame me for this. Since the states (rulers) themselves are trying to find a compromise. Everyone will have enough work and money for the future. It is necessary to bury the warps and not to set people on purpose intentionally.
        And when in the house prosperity and children are full shod are dressed ... Then people already have a desire to dig up this war ax.
        1. Vuqar
          0
          29 January 2013 13: 28
          Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
          How many lives did it cost the Russian people

          and other nations do not count? My grandmother lost 3 brothers near Leningrad.

          Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
          You need to bury the tapor of war

          to bury the ax of war it is necessary to resolve controversial issues. You can’t build a house on a shaky foundation. Or everything from scratch or nothing.

          and so all right write. Only a fool can want war. Only in our question, is Karabakh a primordially Azerbaijani land, from the name to everything itself.
          1. +4
            29 January 2013 13: 49
            Quote: Vuqar
            and other nations do not count? My grandmother lost 3 brothers near Leningrad.

            One small request, take a closer look at the comments. (Because of this, I had disagreements.) I wrote the USSR, and with this I subjected all the peoples living on the territory of the USSR. Or do you want me to list everyone by name.
            Quote: Vuqar
            to bury the ax of war it is necessary to resolve controversial issues. You can’t build a house on a shaky foundation. Or everything from scratch or nothing.

            Another example is one beautiful city of Kaliningrad. This is the former East Prussia. Why fight over this patch of land. No, well, to hell with him. For that, there are a lot of firms from different countries. That is both Azerbaijani and Armenian firms. They do not shoot at each other, but think about how to earn money so that families feel good.

            Quote: Vuqar
            Only a fool can want war. Only in our question, Karabakh is a primordially Azerbaijani land, from the name to the whole

            On the example above, it is clear that it is possible without war. Both governments need to take the first step towards each other.
            1. +3
              29 January 2013 15: 15
              Oh Henry! You are an incorrigible dreamer! Everything is completely different for them. And we, most likely, will not wait for their steps towards each other.
              1. Vuqar
                0
                29 January 2013 15: 27
                Quote: IRBIS
                Oh Henry! You are an incorrigible dreamer! Everything is completely different for them. And we, most likely, will not wait for their steps towards each other


                Is autonomy and self-government a small concession? What else should be done? By the way, if you don’t know about the concession, the Kremlin doesn’t go. Armenians do not decide anything there. I ask you IRBIS, I hope I communicate with a person who understands politics and not just pokes at Claudia. VERY HOPE!
              2. +2
                29 January 2013 16: 41
                Quote: IRBIS
                And we, most likely, will not wait for their steps towards each other.

                Alexander, what a pity that we will not wait.


                PS. To be honest, I like both Armenian and Azerbaijani cuisine.
                1. +3
                  29 January 2013 22: 42
                  Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                  PS. To be honest, I like both Armenian and Azerbaijani cuisine.

                  And I like the music of Tariverdiev performed by the orchestra conducted by Garanyan ... smile
              3. Yarbay
                0
                29 January 2013 21: 59
                Quote: IRBIS
                Oh Henry! You are an incorrigible dreamer! Everything is completely different for them. And we, most likely, will not wait for their steps towards each other.

                we have already taken all possible steps, there were steps with weapons in hand !!
              4. Yarbay
                0
                30 January 2013 21: 47
                Quote: IRBIS

                Oh Henry! You are an incorrigible dreamer! Everything is completely different for them. And we, most likely, will not wait for their steps towards each other.
                He is not a dreamer, but a lying provocateur !!
                Last year I wrote a lot of insults to the address of my people!
                I have a good memory, now I have become a sheep !!
            2. +3
              29 January 2013 22: 40
              Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
              Another example is one beautiful city of Kaliningrad. This is the former East Prussia. Why fight over this patch of land.
              Already fought, this is our trophy.
              1. 0
                29 January 2013 22: 51
                Quote: Uncle
                Already fought, this is our trophy.

                Another one who wants to finish reading the offer, but chooses what he likes.
        2. Perch_xnumx
          +2
          29 January 2013 17: 06
          It is necessary to bury the warps and not to set people on purpose intentionally.
          A bad world is better than a good war. What is now in Syria, and people lived there normally, until the world chess players decided to pull the strings for the sake of profit and profits.
        3. kNow
          +1
          29 January 2013 18: 37
          Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
          See Dear. Everyone on this site knows that I am German, Germany attacked the USSR in 41 years. How many lives did it cost the Russian people (battlefields, end of camp, etc.). I live in Germany .... And here they do not blame me for this. Since the states (rulers) themselves are trying to find a compromise. Everyone will have enough work and money for the future. It is necessary to bury the warps and not to set people on purpose intentionally.

          In this case, the conflict is settled - everyone lives on their own land

          Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
          And when in the house wealth and children are full shod are dressed

          How to explain this to our hundreds of thousands of refugees living in tents?
          1. +3
            29 January 2013 18: 48
            [quote = kNow] In this case, the conflict is settled - everyone lives on their own land [/ quo
            I have already asked your colleague to read everything about correctly. There are other examples. About the land.
            [quote = kNow] How to explain this to our hundreds of thousands of refugees living in tents? [/ quote]

            That you already explain to your government that there are people, not animals.
            That the Russian government, that the German government do not leave hundreds of thousands for long in tents.
            1. Yarbay
              0
              29 January 2013 22: 01
              Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
              That you already explain to your government that there are people, not animals.

              For this, the Armenian fascists in the dock must answer !!
              1. +1
                29 January 2013 23: 12
                Quote: Yarbay
                For this, the Armenian fascists in the dock must answer !!

                Heh, you are going to judge them)) I personally am not going to))
          2. +3
            29 January 2013 20: 07
            kNow
            Maybe, than to buy mountains of weapons to put this money into equipping people from tents?
            1. kNow
              +2
              29 January 2013 20: 39
              entire cities are being built for refugees, but even with all the desire and the availability of finance, providing almost a million refugees with housing is not an easy task, especially when they say they want to return to their lands
          3. Yarbay
            0
            29 January 2013 22: 00
            Quote: kNow
            How to explain this to our hundreds of thousands of refugees living in tents?

            Refugees have been rebuilt houses, the question is different, why shouldn't they live on their lands, where did they expel them from !! !!
        4. +1
          29 January 2013 23: 20
          Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
          See Dear. Everyone on this site knows that I am German,
          But your Russian is quite good.
          1. +1
            29 January 2013 23: 32
            Quote: Uncle
            But your Russian is quite good.

            Thank. You know, I even served in the ranks of the SA.
            1. +1
              30 January 2013 00: 01
              Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
              You know, I even served in the ranks of the SA.
              Imagine, I am the same. smile And the grandmother's sister married deputy Eric Honecker. Remember that one?
              1. +1
                30 January 2013 00: 13
                Quote: Uncle
                deputy Eric Honecker. Remember that one?

                I read about the GDR at school. Yes, and I watched the program. there they showed how they hugged with Lionid Ilyich. winked
      3. +2
        29 January 2013 15: 05
        It is in Russia's interests, of course, to prevent a war, since if a war starts in Karabakh, this is the beginning of the 3rd World War. But we won’t give up our land, be in the power of even Aliyev, even Mammadov.
        Here you are arsonists !!!!!
        1. It is not necessary to bring the level of this conflict to the world level
        - nobody needs a war
        - you have no potential for a serious step (at least for now)
        2. And what's wrong, that Russia is against the war? It would be much worse if it were for the war !!!! Then - it wouldn’t seem like a young man.
        1. Vuqar
          -1
          29 January 2013 15: 16
          Quote: Chen
          you don’t have the potential to take a serious step (at least for now)

          You know, Chechen terrorists with Kalash and snipers and mines also have no potential, but what we all got up to do. I don’t want to offend you of course. Of course I know you think us rams, but remember one thing, an army of rams at the head of a lion will defeat an army of lions at the head of a ram. The Azerbaijani army in this massacre will be led by love for the motherland, memory of the dead and revenge. Although you are partly right, there is still a problem with discipline, but weapons are being purchased and are being purchased. I didn’t see the news about the last purchase of Kasyrga tactical missiles by Azerbaijan.

          http://news.rambler.ru/17313761/



          Azerbaijan has purchased T-300 Qasırqa 300 mm caliber missile systems in Turkey, APA reports citing Turkish company ROKETSAN.



          these are in line



          Black in Azerbaijan has enough weapons to start a mess.



          Quote: Chen
          And what's wrong, that Russia is against the war?

          It was necessary to do this in 1988 and now it's too late!

          Black, my people have occupied the land and we will not leave this land to them !!!
          1. v.armen_70
            +7
            29 January 2013 15: 46
            vugar, go and take this land, or rather die on it
            1. Vuqar
              0
              29 January 2013 15: 54
              Quote: v.armen_70

              vugar, go and take this land, or rather die on it


              Do not worry tha jan, my brother in the army, he will kill and take! God grant! While you kiss the Russian boots from the Kremlin, when you stop, we will pick it up the next day.
              And so the war goes on, do we make your country a beggar? We do it! Are you running away from there? Run away! Do you already hate Russia? Hate it. Deprived you of all sorts of global economic projects? Deprived. The fact that you were lured into an arms race and thus your houses, factories, railways and everything that can be passed on to the Russians, and you have tied your ears to debt? Tied up. We’ll wait a bit longer. Don’t worry and it’s your turn !!!!

              God is in the world!

              PS When you say that you are Orthodox Christians, it’s funny for me to God, you didn’t read the Gospel in my opinion. Where it says DO NOT KILL. You are all hypocritical everywhere. I taught you very well!
            2. +1
              29 January 2013 16: 55
              Quote: v.armen_70
              vugar, go and take this land, or rather die on it

              But is it possible to come to me in peace, sit at the table ..... we’ll talk.
              1. Yarbay
                0
                29 January 2013 22: 03
                Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                But is it possible to come to me in peace, sit at the table ..... we’ll talk.

                why to you ??
                And the fascists do not understand the world, from peaceful words they have a lot of euphoria !!
                1. +2
                  29 January 2013 22: 23
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  why to you ??

                  First, not for you but for you, and I set an example of conversation. How to do
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  And the fascists do not understand the world, from peaceful words they have a lot of euphoria !!

                  But you as a person behave like Hitler in the sz year. We will tear all, we will punish all. First you need to look at yourself.
                  1. Yarbay
                    0
                    29 January 2013 22: 58
                    Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                    But you as a person behave like Hitler in the sz year. We will tear all, we will punish all. First you need to look at yourself.

                    On the contrary, like the representatives of the Soviet people, I strive for the liberation of the Motherland from the Nazis !!
                    No double standards !!
                    Part of my country was occupied by Armenian fascists, just as the Nazis used to be the territory of the USSR, accompanying this with similar atrocities !!
                    We will defeat the Nazis and put them on the dock!
                    We do not trade our homeland !!
                    1. +4
                      29 January 2013 23: 26
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      On the contrary, like the representatives of the Soviet people, I strive for the liberation of the Motherland from the Nazis !!

                      But you present it as Hitler in mine kampf. According to his ideas, he fought with a kamunistic infection. And he did not care about the Slovenian peoples. He needed the territories.

                      Quote: Yarbay
                      No double standards !!

                      I have never dealt with double standards. I looked at the words and deeds.

                      Quote: Yarbay
                      Part of my country was occupied by Armenian fascists, just as the Nazis used to be the territory of the USSR, accompanying this with similar atrocities !!

                      I have already written about this in the comments above. (it's like a divorce is both to blame)

                      Both are to blame for these deaths, the instigators on both sides must sit in the dock. What Armenians are Azerbaijanis.













                      1. Yarbay
                        -1
                        30 January 2013 21: 18
                        Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                        But you present it as Hitler in mine kampf. According to his ideas, he fought with a kamunistic infection. And he did not care about the Slovenian peoples. He needed the territories.

                        You so want to see it !!
                        He, just as the Armenian fascists need territories, I need to free my homeland, read carefully !!
                        Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                        First, not for you but for you, and I set an example of conversation. How to do

                        And who are you to set an example for me ???
                        You are a liar and a liar !!
                        Last summer, you wrote about hatred of Azerbaijanis and that Azerbaijanis were allegedly raped and killed by Toli Azerbaijanis in Turkmenistan, or in Kazakhstan, and that the police, knowing the car and the criminals, especially the visitors, refused to arrest them!
                        After I exposed your lies, you unleashed the womanish curses on me and tried not to get into the subject anymore !!
                        Quote: Heinrich Ruppert
                        Both are to blame for these deaths, the instigators on both sides must sit in the dock. What Armenians what Azerbaijanis

                        We had no Nazis and no!
                        We will judge the Armenian fascists !!
            3. Yarbay
              0
              29 January 2013 22: 02
              Quote: v.armen_70

              vugar, go and take this land, or rather die on it

              First, with pleasure I will smack your fascists, and then the will of the Most High will be and I will die !!
              1. whispering
                -2
                30 January 2013 23: 41
                Quote: Yarbay
                First, with pleasure I will smack your fascists, and then the will of the Most High will be and I will die !!

                Well, so far you are a hero in words. Read all these comments and you will notice that only you..azers are busy with provocation. Good patriot .. don’t sit here and scratch your tongue .. go and take your land, in words many can become heroes ... cyber warrior inet .. laughing
      4. +3
        29 January 2013 15: 10
        Quote: Vuqar
        We do not climb Russia, we want the only thing, to restore our lands. Any way we will restore. It is in Russia's interests, of course, to prevent a war, since if a war starts in Karabakh, this is the beginning of the 3 world war. But we won’t give up our land, be in the power of even Aliyev, even Mammadov.


        Come on?! Are you exaggerating too much the importance of resolving the conflict and your military might? Even consider it the beginning of the 3rd World War. If there is a threat of the escalation of the conflict to such a level, then you will simply be "returned" to the Stone Age. And Armenia, a trailer.
        1. Vuqar
          0
          29 January 2013 15: 23
          Quote: IRBIS
          Come on?! Are you too exaggerating the importance of resolving the conflict and your military power?


          No, not exaggerating. Considering that 200 Chechens were made a whole company, then 140 army with the latest weapons is painful to bite believe me. This time it’s not the village guys who will fight but the trained personnel.

          although I repeat once again, our army has problems with the young, with discipline. What is what is (((((((And they took up it after
          the strange death of one guy. On February 5, a rally was scheduled in front of the defense to remove the post of Minister of Defense. He is Lezgin, I have nothing against them, but the Azerbaijanian should be at the head of the army of Azerbaijan.
        2. MilaPhone
          +2
          29 January 2013 16: 49
          Yes, not what kind of 3rd World War because of the Karabakh conflict there will not be .. They will return everyone for the scruff to the original, as when Armenian tanks were halfway to Baku.
    19. toguns
      0
      29 January 2013 13: 33
      wassat Of course it will not, Alibek and Co. have not yet visited this news.
    20. Edward85
      +1
      29 January 2013 14: 35
      God forbid there will again be a war in Karabakh. During the conflict in Baku, many people were forced to flee from the war-torn areas. They had nowhere to live; they huddled in hostels and hotels, often without water and gas. In our area of ​​Karl Marx Avenue in Baku, all the hostels were crammed with refugees. And in our house there were many people who were forced to leave Armenia due to the war. Moreover, they all said that in Soviet times they lived very well and there were no ethnic conflicts.
      1. Yarbay
        +2
        29 January 2013 22: 04
        Quote: Edward85
        God forbid there will again be a war in Karabakh.

        Then we were not ready!
        Now ready do not worry Edward !!
        1. +3
          29 January 2013 22: 35
          Quote: Yarbay
          Then we were not ready!
          Now ready do not worry Edward !!


          Then you were not at all ready
          Now they’re not quite ready. There are still too many problems and there is no complete unity of power structures in the forceful resolution of the issue.
          1. +3
            29 January 2013 23: 00
            Quote: Ascetic
            Then you were not at all ready
            Now they’re not quite ready. There are still too many problems and there is no complete unity of power structures in the forceful resolution of the issue.


            I will say this, Stanislav, I get the impression that you are represented in the government. You are so aware !!!+IMHO
            1. Yarbay
              +1
              30 January 2013 23: 41
              Quote: Apollon
              I will say this, Stanislav, I get the impression that you are represented in the government. You are so knowledgeable !!! + IMHO

              Mlyn, even from Germany, you add up impressions and IMHO)))))
              There will definitely be an increase))))))
          2. Yarbay
            0
            29 January 2013 23: 10
            Quote: Ascetic
            Then you were not at all ready
            Now they’re not quite ready. There are still too many problems and there is no complete unity of power structures in the forceful resolution of the issue.

            With the first part, I agree!
            And that there is no unity in the forceful decision in the power structures, I assure you that you are mistaken !!
            In Russia, for some reason, some people have the opinion that who in the power structures besides the President and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief still has some significant weight in politics !!
            I assure everyone of the decision of the President with arms and legs !!
            Nobody decides anything except him !!
            1. +3
              30 January 2013 01: 31
              Quote: Yarbay
              I assure everyone of the decision of the President with arms and legs !!
              Nobody decides anything except him !!


              The question is not whether they will support it or not. The question is whether the overwhelming majority of the people are ready to accept this war as a domestic and liberation war and not a war between the state of Azerbaijan and the state of Armenia over NK. Someone in words is completely in favor and how things get to the side in Moscow to fellow countrymen. The same applies to Armenians. Only if you attack will they become a victim of aggression against YOUR COUNTRY, and this higher incentive show patriotism than liberating lands that have not belonged to you for 20 years and life hasn’t stopped during this time and somehow it hasn’t become worse for many Azerbaijanis, then why fight and lay down your head for Karabakh, which is unnecessary in principle, in a difficult and bloody war when life was successful and there is something to lose. let the pros fight and those who should
              Well, of course, if the victory is quick and bloodless, then almost everyone will certainly agree to participate, Victory has many fathers and defeat is an orphan
              1. Yarbay
                +1
                30 January 2013 21: 54
                Quote: Ascetic
                The question is not whether they will support it or not. The question is whether the overwhelming majority of the people are ready to accept this war as a domestic and liberation war and not a war between the state of Azerbaijan and the state of Armenia over NK. Someone in words is completely in favor and how things get to the side in Moscow to fellow countrymen.

                From my personal observations I can say that most are ready!
                Quote: Ascetic
                Only if you attack, they will become a victim of aggression against YOUR COUNTRY, and this is a higher incentive to show patriotism than the liberation of lands that have not belonged to you for 20 years and life has not stopped during this time, and somehow it didn’t get worse for many Azerbaijanis, then why to fight and lay down his head for Karabakh, which was unnecessary in principle, in a difficult and bloody war when life was a success and there is something to lose. let the pros fight and those who should

                I assure you that this is not so !!
                Believe me, the incentive is very high and the Mubariz feat showed it and how people perceived it! As for those who live in Moscow or leave, it will normally be some percentage of such small people!
                Quote: Ascetic
                Well, of course, if the victory is quick and bloodless, then almost everyone will certainly agree to participate, the victory has many fathers, and the defeat is an orphan

                Here I agree with you!
                But in my opinion, our leaders are preparing thoroughly and I believe that we must have an overwhelming advantage!
        2. whispering
          -1
          30 January 2013 23: 47
          Quote: Yarbay
          Then we were not ready!
          Now ready do not worry Edward !!

          what do you think you're ready now ...? laughing ... give you at least nuclear weapons, you’re still not warriors ... keep your livestock and stink potatoes .... so for now they’re not losing a tank, but better deal with family matters ... No.
          1. kNow
            +1
            31 January 2013 09: 51
            Quote: Shota
            and what do you think that you’re ready now? ... ... give you at least nuclear weapons you’re still not warriors ... to keep your cattle and stink potatoes .... so that you haven’t lost your tank, better deal with family affairs. ..

            calm down by brushing :) how's life at the outpost? and humor base laughing at their own expense .... they suddenly leave, to whom will they leave you?
    21. Denis_SF
      +4
      29 January 2013 14: 37
      The 102nd Russian military base stands in Armenia until 2044, and as explained by Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, the issues that the Russian military will be responsible for concern the territory of Armenia, that is, in the event of any external threat to Armenia, this will be considered as an external threat to Of Russia. Based on the example of the war of three eights, Azerbaijanis will first think hard whether the threat of Russia is real.
      1. Vuqar
        0
        29 January 2013 14: 56
        Quote: Denis_SF
        that is, in case of any external threat to Armenia

        And who needs Armenia or do you, as the face of Russia and on behalf of the Russian government, include Karabakh in Armenia?)))))))))))))))) Or will the CSTO troops protect Karabakh?))))) )))))
      2. Perch_xnumx
        +1
        29 January 2013 17: 20
        Based on the example of the war of three eights, Azerbaijanis will first think hard whether the threat of Russia is real.
        They can be prompted in Israel or Washington.
    22. Rustem1000
      -1
      29 January 2013 14: 42
      . After all, the Armenians managed to prevent the aggressive raids of the Persians, Turks and Russians for almost two millennia,
      Well, the author in general wassat
      1. Vuqar
        0
        29 January 2013 14: 56
        Quote: Rustem1000
        After all, the Armenians managed to prevent the aggressive raids of the Persians, Turks and Russians for almost two millennia,


        Here everyone is rolling under the table. A great day has begun. With humor)
    23. fenix57
      +1
      29 January 2013 14: 44
      As the saying goes, feel the difference:Latest news from Azerbaijan: [i] "The Armenian Armed Forces violated the ceasefire from positions near the Shikhlar village of the Aghdam region, as well as from positions at unnamed heights in the Fizuli region, yesterday and last night, the press service of the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry told Trend on Tuesday." cm.http: //www.trend.az/news/karabakh/2113078.html Latest news from Armenia: " The NKR Ministry of Defense reported that the Azerbaijani side violated the ceasefire on the contact line with the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic about 20 times from January 26 to 200. “Deployed at the front line of the Azerbaijani army fired more than 700 small arms shots of various calibers..."cm.http: //www.armtown.com/news/ru/noa/20130128/42792079/
      1. Vuqar
        +1
        29 January 2013 15: 00
        Quote: fenix57
        As the saying goes, feel the difference

        There are soldiers in the trenches sitting there, one with a calculator and the other with a walkie-talkie, sometimes when the shots reach 198 times, they shoot 2 times so that the number is beautiful. On both sides by the way)
        1. 0
          29 January 2013 16: 43
          Vuqar
          hi
          I have a question for you .
          How do you rate the situation? Is your government attuned to war?
          I ask without irony, all the more I would like to know the situation from an Azerbaijani, and not from a Yankov journalist. Sincerely.
          1. Yarbay
            +1
            29 January 2013 22: 05
            Quote: GEORGE
            How do you rate the situation? Is your government attuned to war?

            I think, yes, but there are nuances!
            That is, to prepare carefully that makes me happy!
    24. zambo
      +2
      29 January 2013 15: 06
      Carol Williams believes that if you look at the map of the Caucasus region, you can get an idea of ​​the manipulations of Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin - who, in fact, is the father of the conflict, the creator of its roots. And here they dragged Stalin, how the "enemies" hate Him ...
    25. wax
      +2
      29 January 2013 15: 55
      The thirst for power of the oligarchy and its desire to own resources prevents peoples from self-determination.
    26. +2
      29 January 2013 16: 47
      I think that war is possible. And most likely one of the parties will try to solve its problems under the Iran conflict. This is the dirty chain reaction in the region.
      1. Perch_xnumx
        0
        29 January 2013 17: 11
        And most likely one of the parties will try to solve its problems under the Iran conflict.
        Or vice versa, under the conflict, some of the parties will try to solve the Iranian issue, and generally remove all issues.
    27. kNow
      +1
      29 January 2013 18: 15
      1. Almost a quarter century ago, at the end of February, tragic events took place in Sumgait. Thirty-one Armenians died in a pogrom organized by Azerbaijani nationalists, writes American journalist Carol Williams (Los Angeles Times)

      What is the journalist modestly silent about and how he passes out refugees from Armenia for nationalists:

      Soon a tragedy erupted in the south of Armenia, in the Meghri and Kafan regions, where Azerbaijanis lived in compact villages in many villages. In November 1987, two freight wagons arrived at the Baku railway station with Azerbaijanis forced to flee Kafan due to interethnic clashes. There is very little information about this incident, it was not covered in the press at all, but eyewitnesses of those events remained. Sveta Pashayeva, a widowed Baku Armenian, told how she saw refugees arriving in Baku and how she wore clothes and food for them:

      "People came and said that two carriages with naked, undressed children arrived from Kafan, and we went there to look. They were Azerbaijanis from Kafan. I was at the station. And I saw two freight cars myself. The doors were open, and there were nailed two long boards, like railings, so that people would not fall out of the carriage on the move. We were asked to bring what we can to help the refugees. And I - not only me, but very many - collected old children's clothes, some things. I saw them myself. There were men, such village, dirty, with long hair and beards, old people, children "


      Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/russian/in_depth/newsid_4640000/4640183.stm

      2. nevertheless, their autonomous enclave was included by Stalin in the structure of the Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic

      Stalin did not INCLUDE, but REMAINED Karabakh IN THE STRUCTURE of Azerbaijan, despite the claims of the Armenians ...

      3. The journalists asked Babayan whether it could happen that Artsakh would not launch the airport. Babayan said that the work of the airport is important for the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, and it will never give up its intention. At the same time, David Babayan stressed that Artsakh can ensure the security of its airspace.


      The only cost-effective route for the bankrupt Armenian national air carrier is Yerevan-Moscow.

      4. Vladimir Kazimirov, chairman of the Council of Veterans of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, retired Russian ambassador, in 1992-1996 the head of the mediation mission of Russia, plenipotentiary representative of the President of the Russian Federation for Nagorno-Karabakh and co-chair of the OSCE Minsk Group from Russia, writes:

      A man honestly fulfills his salary. All his activities as a representative consisted of threats to Azerbaijan.

      5. Chairman of the Armenian opposition party "Republic" Aram Sargsyan argues that "as long as this problem is resolved under the" roof "of Russia, there will be no real result.

      He is right, Russia is not interested in resolving the conflict.

      6. As a result of the “information processing”, many Azerbaijanis are convinced, the author writes, that their country lost the war not to Karabakh or even Armenia, but it turns out ... to Russia. The Azerbaijanis are inspired, the journalist believes, that their country was at war with Russia. Consequently, Russia won the war. Who is threatening today?

      Would anyone argue otherwise?

      7.Azerbaijan will not bring down civilian planes, nor will Armenian politicians arrange any “provocations” at the controversial line.

      It would be more correct not to rely on our prudence. Azerbaijan holds its positions clearly. And the airport is not far from the front line, you can’t keep track of each soldier ....

      Bottom line: there will be no war in the next 1-2 years, the authorities of both republics have too many internal problems.
      1. +2
        30 January 2013 14: 10
        SAG OL GAGULA, NOT AN EYEBROW AND IN THE EYE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    28. 0
      29 January 2013 19: 06
      American journalist raves about the United States-profitable war in this region since
      The Yusovites set their sights on Iran and the Caspian oil. Azerbaijan is an important ally for this, of which there are only statements about Azerbaijan "occupied by Iran"
      Yajan lands. Yes, and in general, any war is a plus for the United States, because you can
      blunt the peacemaker in white robes. As for the peoples of Armenia and
      Azerbaijanis, they want peace or let them decide for themselves. In my opinion
      observations, when, given the skirmishes that go on many sites on the topic
      Karabakh conflict, it’s going to war. Russia's position here should be
      weighted — WE MUST defend our interests
    29. +8
      29 January 2013 19: 32
      Speaking of birds - about irreconcilable contradictions. Two men are working in the mine, with one tractor on one tractor - he fled from Azerbaijan, the other - Azerbaijan, fled from Armenia. Both say the same thing - they say they barely took their feet. That’s for sure, where did you come from? The Armenians came to work in shales. Lived in, overgrown with farming, now they eat vodka together. They complain that the relatives do not understand them - how can one work with him on the same tractor? I think the main condition here is work, plus a northern climate. Apparently hard work in Siberia strongly unites people.
      1. +4
        29 January 2013 20: 26
        Well, Comrade Stalin understood this well, unlike the current leadership laughing
      2. +1
        29 January 2013 22: 48
        Quote: cumastra1

        Speaking of birds - about irreconcilable contradictions. Two men are working in the mine, with one tractor on one tractor - he fled from Azerbaijan, the other - Azerbaijan, fled from Armenia. Both say the same thing - they say they barely took their feet. That’s for sure, where did you come from? The Armenians came to work in shales. Lived in, overgrown with farming, now they eat vodka together. They complain that the relatives do not understand them - how can one work with him on the same tractor? I think the main condition here is work, plus a northern climate. Apparently hard work in Siberia strongly unites people.

        Listen, here in St. Petersburg I also communicate with Armenians in the class. There were many good friends in Armenia, we took part in street fights together in the New Year. But it didn’t change anything in looking at Karabakh. We only felt that if we met in Karabakh, we would kill each other quickly, although my circle of acquaintances of Armenians 80 percent didn’t even go there. In general, the Armenians of the Karabakh Armenians, in principle, do not tolerate them.
        1. Cat basilio
          0
          30 January 2013 21: 54
          For me. and residents of St. Petersburg. Which by the age of 30 have not been to. Peterhof either. Savages are not educated.)) ... Do not measure ... and do not measure ..))
          1. 0
            31 January 2013 01: 05
            Quote: Ivor Basilio

            For me. and residents of St. Petersburg. Which by the age of 30 have not been to. Peterhof either. Savages are not educated.)) ... Do not measure ... and do not measure ..))

            No, they really differ from them. I personally have not met the Karabakh Armenians, but according to the stories of the Armenians they are wild and stupid. And their talk terribly enrages them. By the way, one Russian acquaintance also said that in the hostel where they lived, the Karabakh Armenians differed in their accents and their behavior. Nuss will ever meet in person and find out.
            1. Cat basilio
              0
              31 January 2013 08: 57
              Just don't judge people. They will not be judged. Education and demeanor. Not a reason to humiliate people. Quite often in my life I met people without higher education and without "diplomatic education", but these people were very often reliable friends. Which will never fail or sell. Good luck.
    30. combatpilot
      +6
      29 January 2013 21: 20
      Instead of a weak American article, one could post much more interesting articles on the Karabakh war. It is a pity there is no time to please readers.

      I would not like to arrange another "holivar", but as ... who served there, I guarantee in the event of a resumption of the war Azerbaijan, in its present form, as a sovereign state will cease to exist. Moreover, the clan of the Aliyev-Pashayevs is threatened with complete extermination.
      1. 0
        29 January 2013 21: 46
        Have you served in Azerbaijan? I think no. So your guarantees are not based on anything.
      2. +2
        30 January 2013 13: 56
        ABOUT THE ALIPASHAI THIS IS TRUE, THE CLAN WILL THIS TREND AS WEAPONS WILL GET THE HANDS ON PEOPLE .............. THEREFORE THAT THE KINGDOM BERDANKS WAS DISSEMINATED FROM HERE. IRAN AND RUSSIA DO NOT APPEAR WHO WHO WAS IN LACHIN THOSE KNOW WHO HAS GIVEN THE ORDER TO LEAVE THE POSITIONS AND THE ARMENIAN ARMENIANS WASN'T RUNNING HER FROM HER SHOULDER AND LIKE A LITTLE CAUSE! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hi
        1. Cat basilio
          0
          30 January 2013 21: 50
          Not Capsi. You are a moron.
    31. 0
      29 January 2013 21: 48
      Quote: combatpilot
      but as ... who served there, I guarantee in case of resumption of the war Azerbaijan, in the present form, as a sovereign state will cease to exist.

      Have you served in the army of Azerbaijan? I think no. So your guarantees are not based on anything.
      1. combatpilot
        +6
        29 January 2013 21: 56
        You're wrong.
        He did not serve in the army, but we met on the spot. From there and such confidence.
        1. +2
          29 January 2013 22: 08
          Quote: combatpilot
          Did not serve in the army, but met "on the spot"

          And this meeting "on the spot" gives you the confidence to give a guarantee for the course of the war (if there is one) even without seeing an Azerbaijani soldier?
          I respect your soap, but I think that it is wrong. Yours faithfully, hi
        2. Yarbay
          +2
          29 January 2013 22: 17
          Quote: combatpilot
          He did not serve in the army, but we met on the spot. From there and such confidence.
          This is called self-confidence !!!
    32. combatpilot
      +4
      29 January 2013 22: 21
      I will not comment on the expected influx of pro-Azerbaijani users. They are free to consider self-confidence or whatever else they want.
    33. 0
      29 January 2013 23: 15
      Regarding the conclusion of the article, it was also not profitable for Georgia to economically aggravate relations with Russia. And the breakthrough of Georgians living in Russia is not an obstacle, it turned out.
      Azerbaijan will have "advisers", promise help, political and material, and now economic interests do not suffer, you can start ...
      An economy is an economy, but it is not alone that decides.
    34. 0
      30 January 2013 07: 13
      Chairman of the Armenian opposition party "Republic" Aram Sargsyan argues that "as long as this problem is resolved under the" roof "of Russia, there will be no real result.

      Residents of Armenia should remember that they bite a helping hand by bread.

      Anyway, the gandons were sick of it. First they ask for help, then they pour shit over them. To set a condition for them - fill up shit-breeds first, then we will help. I am not a racist, but I understand more and more so far we will not put everyone into former friends in the asphalt, there will be no order.
    35. +2
      30 January 2013 16: 58
      Any war - a trade crisis, an increase in prices for everything, first of all "for risks", that is, merchants will have to pay for "I'm afraid." and if Armenia does not lose so much, then Azerbaijan will jump off as they say from the Oil Needle "and go into abstinence. And this is very difficult for the population. I think this will be the main obstacle to the war. Nobody wants to live worse tomorrow than today, but today worse than yesterday.
    36. gtc5ydgs
      0
      30 January 2013 17: 54
      Have you heard the news? The Russian authorities are already insolent in the end. They made this database
      zipurl. ws / sngbaza where you can find information about any resident of Russia, Ukraine and other CIS countries. I was really very surprised that there were a lot of interesting things about me (addresses, phone numbers, even my photos of a different nature) - I wonder where they dug it up. In general, there are also good sides - this information can be deleted from the site.
      I advise you to hurry, you never know how to fumble there ...

      Have you heard the news? The Russian authorities are already insolent in the end. They made this database
      zipurl. ws / sngbaza where you can find information about any resident of Russia, Ukraine and other CIS countries. I was really very surprised that there were a lot of interesting things about me (addresses, phone numbers, even my photos of a different nature) - I wonder where they dug it up. In general, there are also good sides - this information can be deleted from the site.
      I advise you to hurry, you never know how to fumble there ...

      Have you heard the news? The Russian authorities are already insolent in the end. They made this database
      zipurl. ws / sngbaza where you can find information about any resident of Russia, Ukraine and other CIS countries. I was really very surprised that there were a lot of interesting things about me (addresses, phone numbers, even my photos of a different nature) - I wonder where they dug it up. In general, there are also good sides - this information can be deleted from the site.
      I advise you to hurry, you never know how to fumble there ...
    37. Cat basilio
      +3
      30 January 2013 21: 11
      It's funny to hear the comments. From the Azerbaijani "diplomat" from Stockholm.
      Ass taken out of the chair. And for homeland in attack
      You are a clown. And be you a clown all your life.

      And don't worry. Russians do not "ochkuyut" ...... They will crush you .... and in your whole tribe.

      Although I am of Little Russian origin ...
    38. Bergman
      +2
      30 January 2013 23: 33
      Iran helped Azerbaijan with full and not only small arms. Spare parts, gun barrels, ammunition for guns, rockets went to Azerbaijan. The Iranians really trained our battalions. Who denies this simply means writing from the air (iranophobe), etc. Azerbaijanis even attacked the Armenians in the rear using Iranian territory. Let's not deny what was due to Iranophobia. The Iranians have never carried out some kind of work about which Yarbai writes. These are just myths invented in famous places and someone carries them in no. To this day, military supplies go to Nakhchivan through the Iranian corridor.
      1. Yarbay
        -1
        31 January 2013 00: 03
        Quote: Bergman
        The Iranians have never carried out some kind of work about which Yarbai writes.

        Another Armenian storyteller))
        Unlike you, Yarbai inside the Iranian instructors and in the duplicity of the Iranians saw and knows perfectly)))))
        Iran has helped Armenia and is still doing it! The damage Iran suffered during my war years was tangible !!
        You write from the air and from the Iranians, I write what it was!
        There was no one meaner than the Iranians !!
        1. +2
          31 January 2013 01: 15
          Iran hasn’t even closed its borders with Armenia, but what kind of help can be discussed!
          1. Bergman
            0
            31 January 2013 23: 01
            Turkey closed its borders with Armenia after the fall of Kelbajar in 1993. And so Turkey closed the borders due to the fact that Armenia claims to their territory. Moreover, it stipulates this in the Constitution. The Karabakh issue is a minor one. The Turkish Foreign Ministry concluded that if Armenia renounces claims of the border there may be. open. Prior to this, there was no question of this. Help from Iran was, and tangible.
        2. Bergman
          +4
          31 January 2013 22: 58
          Yarbay talk filter first. In 1992-1994, it was Azerbaijan that slept during the Popular Front, and then during Heydar Aliyev, asked Iran for help. And Iran did not refuse. I even know which routes went ammunition and who took them, who led the blasts, with whom when and who met. You are just an Iranophobe, you write general words that pour certain sources into the press. Judging by how you write clearly that you do not know the details. It was during the war that Azerbaijan established excellent relations with Iran. It’s you who write so bravely, but in another place where people write sniffing gunpowder you’re not really ...)) Or maybe your avatars are the same ...)) It doesn’t matter. If Iran wanted to wreak havoc in Azerbaijan, it would have made it easy. Recall through whose territory the Zangelans and the Zangelan garrison with all their weapons passed. You don’t even know that ours used the territory of Iran to attack Armenians from the rear. How and where did the Afghans come to us? You don’t know either. Iranians have trained 1800 fighters for OUR Azerbaijani army. My relative served in one of these battalions, a relative of my friend died. I know how the early instructors trained and what instructions they gave. So grab the propaganda here to carry ... Biz Yeshshayay Otara Dayilik. ) Onu ushag mushaga yazarsan. I just do not want to write about how they caused damage and who caused damage to our country ... You write, you served and saw with your own eyes. Yes, you could not see it with your own eyes. You wrote the nonsense that Mubariz Ahmedoglu drove above, such as Iranian generals and the like who died on a plane that flew to Yerevan from Tehran. This is just a blizzard. Similar information drain for cattle. No one would ever know if someone from Iran would fly there. And why fly an ordinary passenger plane?))) There was another blizzard. Type on this plane were. If you lie, you must at least respect the people. Or do such people just keep people for sheep?)) Why should the Iranians carry rockets in a civilian plane, if they can be safely transported to the border where necessary. These are the fables that feed people. I will add that during the war, Iranian officers and soldiers of the XIIR even took part in some options. And more ... When Rovshan Javadov was set up in Horadiz, it was the Iranians who opened the way for him and he calmly left the encirclement with his battles. Duplicity was shown by those who first assured Iran of fraternity and then simply threw them. Here is the answer.
          1. Yarbay
            -1
            31 January 2013 23: 14
            Quote: Bergman
            Yarbay talk filter first.

            You’re still a jerk, so that in the first and secondly, an Armenian girl speaks to me in such a tone !!
            Quote: Bergman
            Iranians have trained 1800 fighters for OUR Azerbaijani army.

            Your Armenian army may be !!
            They have hurt Azerbaijan!
            Quote: Bergman
            I know how the early instructors trained and what instructions they gave.
            Do not lie, you cannot know this!
            Quote: Bergman
            Onu ushag mushaga yazarsan.

            barely sen ushag mushahsanda !!
            Quote: Bergman
            You write you served and saw with your own eyes.

            Even as I saw in the Shikhov battalion!
            Quote: Bergman
            It's just a blizzard

            A snowstorm in your brain-wounded Iranian henchman! When they could have tried to wreak havoc, but now they don’t shine, but they try, it’s more expensive to do it!
            Information about the deaths of the generals was given by the Iranian leadership and confirmed this!
            Quote: Bergman
            When Rovshan Javadov was framed in Horadiz

            About this do not bzdi !!!!!
            Rovshan knew perfectly the vile face of the Iranians !!!
            Quote: Bergman
            Duplicity was shown by those who first assured Iran of fraternity and then simply threw them.
            Two-faced were and are Iranian politicians and the leadership, who kissed and kissed the Armenian fascists !!!!!
            They have nothing to do with Islamic values, traitors and two-faced !!
            I wrote above to read what to tongue about the Palestinian people and support Hamas, whose members blow themselves up, it would be better to recall the Karabakh Seyids once a year !!
            Iranian siyetschileri ve ermenilern opusheneleri-SCHEREFSZDILER!
            Ushahlyg eleme oz tayuvy tap!
            Sen ele tush oland men Vetenime hidmet ettmish!
            you are ignoring!
            1. Bergman
              0
              31 January 2013 23: 23
              Yarbay are you an Odyssey with a debate? Leave your number here, I will show you whether I am Armenian or Azerbaijani. )
              1. +2
                31 January 2013 23: 40
                Bergman,
                Did you come here to write or threaten?
      2. +1
        31 January 2013 01: 51
        ALSO LIKE IN ARMENIA ................. IN IRAN, ARMENIAN LONG MILITARY HOW RIDING HOUSES, AND AZRBAIJANIS SHMONATED AT EVERY CORNER hi
    39. Yarbay
      0
      31 January 2013 01: 25
      Quote: ayyildiz

      Iran hasn’t even closed its borders with Armenia, but what kind of help can be discussed!

      The fact is that recently they again started a false propaganda among young people !!
      Basically, young believing guys who do not know about that time tell them tales about Iran’s help to Azerbaijan!
      But everyone forgets that the fatwa that Karabakh is the land of Muslims and halal for fighting a Muslim, that the martyr Shahid inshallah and haram who died in this war, deal with the Karabakh Armenians, Ayatollah Khomenei issued only in 2010 !!
      But at the same time they continue to deal with the Armenians and Armenia and Karabakh)))) The duplicity is amazing !!
      What prevented Khomenei from publishing this fatwa during the war?))))
      Their policies have nothing to do with the values ​​of Islam !!
      Every day I lament the distant Palestine, but do not want to remember the Karabakh people once a year !!
      1. +2
        31 January 2013 01: 35
        Iran can never be trusted, they have always been and will be our rivals!
        1. Yarbay
          +1
          31 January 2013 01: 40
          Quote: ayyildiz
          Iran can never be trusted, they have always been and will be our rivals!

          The question is not only this, the question is duplicity !!
          In a word, the Scherefsdisaler !!!
      2. 0
        31 January 2013 10: 43
        Regarding the borders and relations of Iran with us and with Armenia, I wrote for you there. Palestine, unlike us, does not help the enemies of Iran.
        1. Yarbay
          0
          31 January 2013 13: 37
          Quote: Kangarli

          Regarding the borders and relations of Iran with us and with Armenia, I wrote for you there. Palestine, unlike us, does not help the enemies of Iran.

          The Iranian authorities have helped and are helping our enemies !!
          If you mean Israel, then do not say stupid things, for 2 thousand kilometers the country is a contrived enemy of Iran)))))
          Iran helped Armenia from the very beginning !!
          In general, the scum of politics, why are silent about ordinary people, that the Palestinian government is friendly with Iran ???
          Why they don’t talk about our Muslims ??? No need for the Azerbaijani government to help, if only they would support ordinary Muslims !!
          Every day they would speak of Palestinians! Azerbaijan is also surrounded by Armenian fascists whom they chose to be their friends !! The sufferings of our people and our Muslims do not care why kissing Sagisyan and Ohanyan whose hands are in the blood of Muslims, women and children !! ?? and the Iranians * were not killed * by their enemies, they said they were going to be together !! And Iran says no, we will wipe you off the face of the earth !! Why do they also not want to wipe the Armenian fascists off the face of the earth ???

          Entire villages of Seyids were destroyed in Karabakh, although the Iranians squeaked, then there was no relationship with the so-called * enemies * of Iran !!?
          Iranian politicians are two-faced vile and enemies of our Muslims !!
          Do not hesitate, I am a Shiite of Allah, his prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and his lordship Ali, but I know and saw the vile face of the politicians and military of Iran !!
          Dear friend, do not be deceived by the false propaganda of vile Iranian politicians!
          Iran from the very beginning of the conflict helped the Armenian fascists and now it does !! I saw everything with my own eyes!
          I served at that time and saw everything with my own eyes !!!
          1. +2
            31 January 2013 21: 56
            I'm already tired of explaining to you.

            Since when did the south of Azerbaijan move away from Baku by 2000 km? Yes, of course you have never heard of Israeli radars in the south. Any well-informed resident of Baku knows approximately in what part of the city the workers of the Israeli special services live (they do not even hide). I can still write a lot here just not the place.

            Before demanding something from Iran, look at Azerbaijan. Do we have all day talking about Karabakh? Iran thinks of our Muslims as opposed to our state. Recently, young believers from Baku villages (all from poor families) were imprisoned. It turns out that all day they carried more than 2 kg of drugs in their pockets and kept an arsenal at home. More than 90% of them were completely innocent. This is how our state takes care of Muslims.

            Want to show the pictures of how Gul and Sargsyan kiss? By your logic, Turchia is also our enemy. I will repeat the commodity circulation of Armenia with Turkey more than with Iran.

            The most influential politicians, military, businessmen of Iran are Azerbaijanis.

            What kind of propaganda? :))) I never talked with the Iranians. This is influenced by our propaganda that Iran is an enemy. I spoke with facts, and you, besides repeating that Iran is an enemy, did not write anything new.

            Yes, Iran also has mistakes, but denying their help and says that they didn’t help us but the Armenians.
            1. Yarbay
              0
              1 February 2013 12: 32
              Quote: Kangarli
              Before demanding something from Iran, look at Azerbaijan.

              Tired of explaining, leave your explanations to those who did not see what the Iranians did and are doing!
              You are talking nonsense !!
              Iran proclaimed itself an Islamic state, not Azerbaijan or Turkey !!
              Iran has helped and is helping Armenia !!
              Iran is a two-faced and vile state !!
              Quote: Kangarli
              says that they didn’t help us but Armenians
              That's right, they helped exclusively Armenians and did everything and are doing to weaken Azerbaijan, facts are higher than the sum!
              Quote: Kangarli
              Recently, young believers from Baku villages (all from poor families) were imprisoned. It turns out that they dragged more than 2 kg of drugs in their pockets all day and kept an arsenal at home.

              And what do you dislike about it, a drug addict and holding a weapon at home should go free because he is a believer ????
              Quote: Kangarli
              Over 90% of them were completely innocent

              And how did you determine this, did Iranian propaganda helpers or drug lords ??
              Correctly done planted, nothing to sell drugs !!
              Quote: Kangarli
              Any well-informed resident of Baku knows approximately in what part of the city the workers of the Israeli special services live (they do not even hide

              Don't be silly, your brains have eaten up Iranian henchmen!
              When radars appeared, and since when did Iran betray us !!?
              And these radars are Azerbaijani, not Israeli, so that Iranian planes do not hit us !!!
              Right and ours do that help Israel !!
              The Iranian state is criminal!
              1. 0
                1 February 2013 22: 44
                Not one fact, as always a simple word. Give your number to Bergman, he will explain everything to you.
                1. +2
                  1 February 2013 23: 00
                  I read your comments and do not understand what you want to prove? Do you want to justify the person who hugs and kisses the killer of Azerbaijani Muslims?
                  1. 0
                    1 February 2013 23: 48
                    Could come up with something new. Especially for you Ctrl + C Ctrl + V

                    Want to show the pictures of how Gul and Sargsyan kiss? By your logic, Turchia is also our enemy. I will repeat the commodity circulation of Armenia with Turkey more than with Iran.

                    Show me where I defended Ahmadinejad? This is a disease. You don’t even read what I write.
                    1. +2
                      2 February 2013 01: 23
                      Quote: Kangarli
                      Want to show the pictures of how Gul and Sargsyan kiss?

                      I want to put it in. I could be wrong; I myself became interested.


                      Quote: Kangarli
                      commodity circulation of Armenia with Turkey is more than with Iran.

                      The borders with Turkey and Armenia are officially closed. There can be no goods turnover through other countries (most likely through Iran or Georgia).
                      The turnover between Armenia and Iran is about 1 billion, and Armenia and Turkey 300 million (you seem to have problems with mathematics winked ) and then not the same numbers

                      Quote: Kangarli
                      Show me where I defended Ahmadinejad?

                      With each comment.
                      1. +1
                        2 February 2013 10: 53
                        No, it was I who first asked to show where I was defending Ahmadinejad.

                        They plan to bring to 1 billion. 300 million is old information. If they have closed borders because of Karabakh, then let them forbid their firms to work with Armenia. Why don't they do it? They were even ready to open the borders, but because we were intimidated by the price of gas, they did not.

                        I wonder how Iran did not close the border with us after ours threw them so steeply. You do not know anything, but only repeats what they say on TV or write newspapers. Do you even know who came up with the name of the party YAP? Bergman knows more than all of us about this, but Yarbay couldn’t respond normally to him and therefore calling him an Armenian blocked him.

                        You will never be able to speak with facts, but will only repeat: They kiss with the Armenians, have not closed the borders. Do you even find out who is the main in Iran then write. Yes, if they start a war for us and return Karabakh to people like you, but why did they do this, we ourselves could just wait for lazıma. Until nothing new is written, it makes no sense to write to you.
                        1. +3
                          2 February 2013 14: 34
                          Quote: Kangarli
                          They plan to bring up to 1 billion. 300 million is old information. If they have closed borders because of Karabakh, then let them forbid their firms to work with Armenia.

                          Sorry, not 1 billion, but 15 billion here (In 2011, trade exceeded $ 15 billion, the task was to bring it to $ 20-30 billion) I copied directly from the site and I can give you a link.
                          Quote: Kangarli
                          I wonder how Iran didn’t close the border with us after they threw them so cool.

                          What have you thrown? I wonder how so far Azerbaijan has not closed its borders with Iran.

                          Quote: Kangarli
                          Bergman knows more than all of us about this, but Yarbay couldn’t respond normally to him and therefore calling him an Armenian blocked him.

                          Are you now justifying the Armenian with you? Everything is clear. Yarbai saw what neither you nor I saw, and I prefer to believe in the words of an Azerbaijani and not an Armenian like you

                          It is necessary to block all Armenians in this site, and not be friends and justify them.


                          Quote: Kangarli
                          Do you even find out who is the main in Iran then write.

                          I know.

                          Quote: Kangarli
                          No, it was I who first asked to show where I was defending Ahmadinejad.

                          I first answer what I consider necessary
                        2. 0
                          3 February 2013 01: 36
                          1) Armenia and Iran agree to increase turnover to $ 1 billion

                          http://1news.az/region/armenia/20111226011456352.html

                          Why would 15 immediately write 150. :))))

                          2) A minimum contract for oil is still a lot of things.

                          Let them close it. I would like to see the reaction of ordinary people to this news. And how you like the news Nakhchevan you can not imagine. ))))))) Iran introduced a visa regime for several days, people spent the night in front of the Iranian embassy.

                          3) Is everything all right with your head? How did you understand that he is Armenian? I know that you will answer. Yarbay said that's how I know. :)))))))))

                          You could not tell this person in the face that he is Armenian.

                          4) And then why are you trying to prove that I am defending Ahmadinejad?

                          Not just one fact, not just empty words, this is what you have.
                        3. +3
                          3 February 2013 18: 41
                          I mistakenly wrote between Iran and Turkey and then did not have time to fix it.
                          I don’t know what they are buying, they are selling among themselves, but the size is more than 1 billion. Azerbaijan will lose no less than Iran because we can reconsider some things. Yes Yarbai said everything! Yes, I could.
                          Further in PM ....
                        4. +3
                          3 February 2013 20: 27
                          I correct it right away, otherwise you will catch on again * `` Iran will lose no less than Azerbaijan because '' ... Please note that I have never been in Russia to make grammatical and lexical mistakes
                        5. Yarbay
                          0
                          2 February 2013 21: 33
                          Quote: Kangarli
                          Bergman knows more than all of us about this, but Yarbay couldn’t respond normally to him and therefore calling him an Armenian blocked him.

                          I have not blocked anyone!
                          I am not a site administrator!
                          I added it to my blacklist, just everything!
                          He wrote something normal, except for the nonsense that we, through the territory of Iran, went behind the Armenians and reached Yerevan !!?
                          You are an adult and believe in these nonsense ??
                          Quote: Kangarli
                          You can never speak with facts, but only repeat
                          I assure you of the facts above the roof, alas they were not allowed to publish, so as not to spoil the relationship !!
                          As for the high-ranking generals who died on the plane, google, you will find !!
                          Quote: Kangarli
                          They kiss with the Armenians, did not close the border

                          You didn’t catch Kengerli again, these dishonest people call themselves an ISLAMIC state, not Azerbaijan or Turkey, do you feel the difference ?? I’m not saying that they helped Azerbaijan as a state !!
                          I’m talking about how, every day, to threaten Israel and help the suicides from Hamas, at least once a year they recall ordinary Azerbaijanis, Karabakh Seyids !! Let what I demand for Palestinians loudly demand for Karabakh Muslims too !!
                          After all, they are not talking about Mahmoud Abbas every day, but about the Palestinians, and if you do not understand this, I feel sorry for you!
                          If you have questions about my service and about the facts that I have, write in the face I will answer you!
                        6. -2
                          3 February 2013 01: 08
                          1) Call him and all (write in a personal)
                          2) Well, how old are you, what kind of nonsense do you write. Where did he write about Yerevan? A use of the territory of Iran is true but not for an attack on Armenia.
                          3) Yes, you have a cool source of information. Google))
                          4) And if I were in their place I would do the same. People like you mix them with shit every single day and then pretend they don’t understand their relationship to us. They helped but apparently we forgot it. Not the state but even an ordinary person reacted in the same way as they did. We behave as if we are the fluff of the earth and all owe us. For you, beautiful words are more important than anything in the world.
                        7. 0
                          3 February 2013 02: 05
                          Men sizin yerinize utaniram ar olsun size lap biz duz demesekde siz bizim terefimizde durmalisiniz sizse her hansi eysiyin (uzr isteyirem ifademe gore) sozunu bize tekrarlayirsiniz. Yours faithfully smile
                        8. Yarbay
                          +1
                          3 February 2013 21: 14
                          Quote: Kangarli
                          And if he were in their place he would do the same.

                          You carefully read what I write ??
                          I ask why, right after the revolution, Good Day was declared in Iran, which is celebrated every year, and the fatwa that the Muslim land of Khomenei gave Karabakh only in 2010 and announced haraam’s relationship with the Armenians ??
                          Why even after that they still have relations with the Armenians ??
                          Do you understand the difference between an Islamic state and a secular ??
                          Quote: Kangarli
                          1) Call him and all (write in a personal)

                          Who is he that I called him or wrote to him in the face ??
                          This is a provocateur sold to Iranian chauvinists!
                          Iran's foreign policy has nothing to do with Islamic values ​​!!
                          They have the policy of the Persian frenzied national chauvinism !!
                          Quote: Kangarli
                          They helped but apparently we forgot it

                          I am 41 years old, I responsibly declare that Iran did more shit than helped us! Help was nominal, the damage was huge!
                          They helped the Armenians and very seriously!
                          Quote: Kangarli
                          For you, beautiful words are more important than anything in the world.

                          For me, the Almighty and the Homeland are most important!
                          I also smiled about Google)) when Google is profitable normally, when you need to touch Google gamut)))))
                        9. 0
                          4 February 2013 00: 22
                          Mən sizə artıq yazmışdım yeni bir şey yazmsaz mən siznən bu mövzuda müzakirəni davam etdirməyəcəm.

                          Erməni dediyiviz adam indi Bakıdadı. Burda yazmaq asant işdi bacarırsız üzünə deyin. O sizə hər şeyi sənədlərnən təsdiq edə bilər ta sizin kimi boş-boş yazmaz. Əgər burda yazdıqlarıvızı üzünə deyə biləcəksizsə mənə (in PM) nömrəvizi yazın mən ona deyim ya da onunla danışmaq isədiyivizi yazın mən sizənşni ni ninşi ni ednşi ni ednşi ni edişn ni ni Tanımadığıvız adamı (İstəyir lap Mozambikin tərəfini tutsun) təhqir etmək heç yaxşı iş deyil.
                        10. +1
                          4 February 2013 19: 07
                          My comment has been deleted will have to be repeated.

                          The man whom you called an Armenian is now in Baku. If you want, I will give you his number (I will write in a personal) and he will prove with facts (unlike you) that Iran helped us. You cannot know more than him.

                          I already wrote that you can’t speak with facts on this; continuing to write to you is pointless.
                        11. +2
                          4 February 2013 19: 12
                          I already talked with you about this topic in PM.
                          Quote: Kangarli
                          keep writing to you is pointless.

                          Yes, indeed it will already be meaningless, for I will not see them anymore.
                          Yours!
                        12. +1
                          4 February 2013 19: 45
                          And this is the last thing. There are very interesting comments there.

                          http://www.kavkaz-uzel.ru/blogs/485/posts/7774#comments
                        13. +1
                          2 February 2013 22: 05
                          Quote: Kangarli
                          If they closed borders because of Karabakh then let them forbid their firms to work with Armenia


                          Do you know what RE export is?

                          Quote: Kangarli
                          They were even ready to open the borders, but because we were intimidated by the price of gas, they did not.


                          What preconditions would be dig deeper before writing
    40. 0
      31 January 2013 01: 47
      IRAN DOESN’T NEED A STRONG AND SOVEREIGN AZERBAIJAN, OTHERS THE OTHERS ARE BECAUSE OF THEM, WILL BE POSSIBLE TO BE ATTENDED NOT BY BLINKING ............ IN THE CASE IF ALIPAUSHAI EVERYTHING WILL BE LEFT, EVERYTHING WITHOUT PREPARED AND 99,9% THAT, IN THE EVENT OF WHICH THEY JUST SEPARATE AND ALL ........................ Yes
      1. +2
        31 January 2013 02: 12
        Nobody will give Nakhichevan sovereignty; be assurances!
    41. 0
      31 January 2013 17: 52
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Sha, the country of Azerbaijan did not help, simply because it was not there, your country was the USSR and you fought for its freedom !!!

      a huge plus to you for these words !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm tired of seeing on the site the constant military threats against both parties to this conflict you probably have never seen a real war as a friend, and not only do you wish it for your Children (I say this as a person who has participated in the military conflicts of the last shabby times by the nature of his profession) you are inadequate and ordinary populists.
    42. Bergman
      0
      31 January 2013 23: 39
      As long as Azerbaijan spoils Iran and Russia (contrary to their interests) and for the sake of their opponents, Russia will not maintain neutrality, and Iran will not strangle Armenia. The question is not only in Azerbaijan. Iran perceives Armenia as the province of Russia and purely from allied relations will not strangle Armenia, in exchange for this, Russia supports Iran in the international arena. Iran, in turn, besides criticizing the government of Azerbaijan, does not resort to any other levers. Or maybe ... but it doesn’t. ) Once again I repeat that to this day there is a military corridor in Nakhchivan through which our military cargoes go and the Armenians see it.))

      Yarbay are you an Odyssey with a debate? Leave your number here, I will show you whether I am Armenian or Azerbaijani. )

      Iranians trained Azerbaijanis in Karaheybat. The Iranians never said anywhere that their generals were killed on the plane. For the first time, there was no talk of generals. Mubariz Ahmedoglu spoke of some officers. Generals died in Iran during the collapse of Hercules, it was in Iran.

      Iranians trained Azerbaijanis in Karaheybat. The Iranians never said anywhere that their generals were killed on the plane. For the first time, there was no talk of generals. Mubariz Ahmedoglu spoke of some officers. Generals died in Iran during the collapse of Hercules, it was in Iran.
      1. 0
        1 February 2013 11: 15
        Bergman
        And what kind of debate? It is curious where and with what this frame (yarby) was still noted?
      2. kNow
        +1
        2 February 2013 16: 50
        Bergman,
        Quote: Bergman
        Are you Odysseus from a dispute?

        Not him, although the profile photos are the same
    43. vladmir
      +1
      31 March 2013 14: 59
      I apologize to everyone .. if I offend anything by accident. I wanted to bring to your attention your private opinion .. When reading the comments on this site, I met a skirmish between Armenians and Azerbaijanis, their mutual insult, anger were read between the lines .. At the same time, I recalled the story of the Holy Spirit who achieved divinity (the abode of the Original, God- A father who has so many names in our small world - Allah, Jehovah, Svarog, Tao and others).
      this is one of the many stories that the Divine Teachers shared about themselves, while communicating with the scientific and spiritual group of Vladimir Antonov). So, He (Ngomo http://ru.philosophy-of-religion.org.ua/t_ngomo.html) mentioned his past incarnations, I remember it and I wanted to quote: "
      Once I was an Astrakhan Tatar, I hated the Jews. Then - according to the law of karma - an Astrakhan Jew, he was afraid and hated the Tatars and all Muslims. After that, he was embodied in the Caucasus by an Azerbaijani - and he hated all Armenians. Then, as an Armenian, he hated all Azerbaijanis ...
      ".
      It turns out that this is the usual law of God. Thus, God teaches us love. We must experience what we once did to others. This applies not only to hatred, but also to neglect - contempt, disrespect, for example, to cripples or gays and other people with disabilities. God will put us in the same conditions under which we have to feel the attitude towards ourselves that we once showed to others ...
      Knowledge of God and love for all manifested beauty, plus repentance, helping others in all that is good .. will teach love and will overcome the negative karma of past incarnations ..

      with respect to all. Vladimir V.
    44. n-kama
      0
      27 October 2013 13: 16
      Is it strange that the Tatars and Bashkirs did not play independence in the ass?
    45. 0
      4 January 2015 22: 25
      statya sovsem neodekvaten ,, vidno armyani kupili nskolko jurnalistov ctob napisali etu bred

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