The Russian government opposed the free circulation of pistols

The government reviewed the draft federal law.

The bill is proposed to be attributed to civil arms self-defense firearm rifled short-barreled weapons of domestic production with a muzzle energy of not more than 300 J, giving the right to acquire it to citizens of the Russian Federation who have reached 23-year-old age, on the basis of a license.

However, the use of currently approved types of civilian weapons of self-defense can be assessed as effectively and successfully serving the achievement of the goals of self-defense. At the same time, the technical characteristics of short-barreled weapons cannot serve as a criterion for assessing their greater effectiveness in comparison with the means of self-defense already established by law.

In addition, the situation with offenses committed with the use of firearms of limited destruction (self-defense weapons), including those held by citizens on legal grounds, continues to remain extremely alarming. Over the past five years, more than 2 thousands of crimes and offenses were committed using these weapons, including injuries of varying degrees of severity to more than 500 citizens, about 100 people died from their injuries.

In this regard, the free circulation of rifled short-barreled firearms will have a negative impact on the state of public security in the country, leading to a significant complication of the state of law and order and the growth of crimes committed with its use or to seize it.

At the same time, we consider it necessary to point out that the changes imposing a ban on the use of rifled short-barreled weapons by citizens in self-defense (subparagraph b of paragraph 2 of the draft law) contradict the changes contained in subparagraph a of paragraph 3 of the draft law, according to which the owner of said civilian weapon self-defense bodies of internal affairs issued a permit for its storage and carrying.

Based on the above, the Government of the Russian Federation does not support the submitted draft federal law.

Comments

[Sakhalininsk]

The free circulation of firearms is nonsense and what this nonsense leads to we regularly see from the news coming from the country whose leadership reminds patients with schizophrenia with elements of hysteria ...
A firearm should not walk freely among the masses.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Sakhalininets

The free circulation of firearms is nonsense and what this nonsense leads to we regularly see from the news

++++++++, Lobbyists, infringed on personal safety, will now run in and scream that without a pistol it’s scary to go out onto the street.
The best way for urka to get the barrel is to take it away from the sucker who recovered himself as a steep commando. Some of our deputies are eager to arm the Caucasus. I see little shoot.

[Sakhalininsk]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Now lobbyists, impaired in their personal safety, will come running and will scream that without a pistol it would be scary to go out into the street.

These squeals of offended and infringed could be relevant in the early 90's, but now .... yes this is nonsense and no more. A weapon is not a toy and should only be for those to whom it is laid out on duty and no more. Everything else is from the evil one. The Soviet weapon control system was optimal, we must return to it if we do not want blood in schools, kindergartens and on the streets.

[Carat_36]

I completely agree, it would be better if we thought about how to cure the indifference that lives in our people after the 90s ... Now it’s scary to help a person, they’ll suddenly shake it, I often hear about it and it happened to myself, and I’ll have weapons most of them will be wolves with passers-by so that if we don’t shoot in the back, we’ll shoot in the back.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Sakhalininets

but now .... yes this is nonsense and no more

This nonsense is supported by some deputies, you see, they put it in your pocket well, it carried n ******** over the bumps.

Quote: Sakhalininets

The Soviet weapon control system was optimal, we must return to it if we do not want blood in schools, kindergartens and on the streets.

Yes, they don’t want to, although I’m sure this is what we’ll come to.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Sakhalininets

The Soviet weapon control system was optimal, we must return to it if we do not want blood in schools, kindergartens and on the streets.

With pleasure. As soon as you ensure the level of corruption in the judicial system and among the security forces, then it will be possible to return. But not earlier, otherwise it will simply return there is nobody

[Misantrop]

Quote: Sakhalininets

The weapon is not a toy and should only be for those to whom it is laid on duty and no more

Change the word "weapon" in this phrase to the word "matches". Or are there few fires around?

[Misantrop]

Oh, they don't let them take away matches, they minus them. Well then, put "electricity", "gas", "car", "kitchen knife" of your choice. There are NO TOYS around us (except those that are specially designed for this), it's time to get used to it. Or go to a shelter for the defective, there are no sharp objects, bars on the windows and orderlies are watching so that something does not work out

[Jarilo]

Quote: Misantrop

Quote: Sakhalinets A weapon is not a toy and should only be for those to whom it is supposed to be on duty and no more

By the way, I noticed that against legal weapons most often are those to whom it is supposed to be in the service, well, other owners of weapons in the person of judges, deputies, awards, etc. So it’s understandable, they are with weapons, and the less others have them, the calmer they are.
PS: I’m generally against weapons, in a calm and more or less equal country for everyone (well, somewhere like the USSR type), where there was at least some justice but not in the Russian Federation. Here you can’t protect yourself - no one can protect (from observations and personal experience) Well, why not equalize the chances for those who want and can?

[vadimN]

Quote: Sakhalininets

The Soviet weapons control system was optimal

Dear, and you seem to have no idea what you are talking about ... Now the control system for civilian weapons is much tougher than in the USSR. Until the sixties in the USSR, nothing was needed to acquire smoothbore weapons! And it was sold in sports stores ... Only Khrushchev at the end of his reign began to introduce all sorts of licenses and permits. And then they were not an obstacle to the acquisition of weapons by law-abiding citizens. He joined the hunting society, received permission from the police and possess hunting weapons.

The tightening of this system began already in post-perestroika Russia. There was a requirement for a safe for storage at home. In the USSR, this requirement was not. There was a requirement for recertification every five years. In the USSR, this requirement was not. All that has been added in Russia compared to the USSR is the appearance of traumatism.

The problem is not in weapons, but in people. Remember what relations between people were brought up and WERE in the USSR and what they are now! What the media preached then and now! The cult of power and money is all that prevails now. America has already re-educated its citizens - shooting in schools and movie theaters ... So we must learn from the mistakes of others, and stop the cultivation of the cult of power in our country, and not fight its consequences. If there will be normal relations between people, then you cannot force anyone to have weapons ...

[Was mammoth]

Quote: vadimN

Now the control system for civilian weapons is much tougher than in the USSR.

A father sent his hunting rifle to the North by mail in 1973

[sniper]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

, Now lobbyists infringed on personal security will come running and will scream,

Quote: Sakhalininets

These squeals of offended and infringed might be relevant

Good day to you, gentlemen! For some reason, it always seemed to me that the opponent should, at least be respected ... And it’s strange to hear this from people respected on the site ... Well, as for the topic of discussion directly, I personally, like the old hunter with weapons, have no problems, but I wouldn’t refuse a good pistol, although there is no need ... I just love weapons ... I see no reason to refuse to sell the barrel to the population, subject to the rule of law and the improvement of the legal framework ...

[Misantrop]

Quote: sniper

For some reason, it always seemed to me that the opponent should, at least be respected ...

Completeness, what respect can we talk about? HOW can a person be respected if one a priori ascribes to him (as the main character traits) retardation, alcoholism with uncontrolled aggressiveness and complete inability to learn at least anything, starting from potentially dangerous things and ending with rules of behavior among their own kind?

[sniper]

Misantrop, Then it’s sad .... But you need to learn to respect people differently and shootings will continue in schools and other places .... Those who shot didn’t put others penniless ....

[Misantrop]

Quote: sniper

to learn to respect people, it is necessary otherwise the shootings will continue in schools and other places .... Those who shot, didn’t put others penniless ....

So what is it about. Why teach if you can legally prohibit resisting? To finally divide society into wolves (who can do anything) and rams. It's much more convenient. Especially if the only goal of the government is to make MONEY. It is easy to pinch the sheep, but the community will buy out the "wolves" for their lawlessness (also a lot of money). And everyone is happy ...

[nokki]

Hello Sasha! At one time, in the 90s, I had to help refugees from Chechnya (in their organization). They said that in the Caucasus, local residents stocked up with weapons for three wars! So, they don't care about this law.

The question is about the safety of the Russian population! Urks and "faces" have long been armed. And, apparently, no one is trying to disarm them. And when the authorities start shouting about the danger of free circulation of weapons, they, in my opinion, are afraid that for them this disarmament will be carried out by the Russian Vanya, weary of lawlessness.

IMHO, inactivity of the authorities, "plush" Criminal Code, rampant corruption - that's what needs to be corrected immediately! And then no "turnover" will be terrible!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: nokki

The question is about the safety of the Russian population!

Healthy Gene! But they do not propose to arm the Russians, and the Caucasians are the first to legally arm themselves. I give 100%.

Quote: nokki

Urks and "faces" have long been armed.

How much a lesson runs along the street with illegal trunks, if only stupid people will be so legal.

Quote: nokki

And, when the authorities start shouting about the dangers of free circulation of weapons, they, in my opinion, are afraid that the Russian Vanya, weary of lawlessness, will carry out this disarmament for them

Yes, Russian Vanya has enough in the arms of a hunter and it is more serious than a pistol.

Quote: nokki

IMHO, the inaction of the authorities, the "plush" Criminal Code, rampant corruption - that's what needs to be corrected immediately!

they are not profitable

[vadimN]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

But they do not propose to arm the Russians, and it was the Caucasians who were the first to legally arm themselves

And in order for the Russians to arm themselves, is it necessary to offer this? Our legislation is the same for everyone ... You might think that Caucasians are dragged by force into an arms store and forcefully armed. And now no one forbids having weapons - hunting and traumatic. Go and arm yourself if you consider it necessary for yourself, and you don’t need to blame the Caucasians.
Personally, I have had weapons for twenty years and I know that if anyone, Caucasians, Chinese, Martians come to my house anyway, I will not have problems meeting them adequately ... But advocates of pacifism will probably admonish them with speeches about that one must be friends and love one another ...

[lexa patriot]

Well, with such logic it’s hard to fight against armed villains.


This bunch of corpses are not armed BESLAN men
came with the kids to the school unarmed and the BANDS simply shot them in a dash.

[Sakhalininsk]

Quote: lexa patriot

This bunch of corpses, not armed BESLAN men, came with the children to the school unarmed and the BANDS simply shot them as if in a shooting gallery.

Do you think that the picture would be different if these people came to their children on September 1 with pistols?
Nothing would have changed, except that there would have been more victims.

[lexa patriot]

Of course I think differently than you remember the attack of the militants on the ancestral village of Kadyrov.
The local peasants were completely armed — what happened to the FORWARDING we all know (12 corpses of militants if I am not mistaken)

[Mitzhel]

In 1995, when Basayev's gang was taking hostages in Budennovsk, they diligently bypassed the houses of the few hunters that they were being hit with grapeshot. The bandits with machine guns and machine guns did not want to storm such houses .... they were looking for and found easier victims. But the first thing that the servicemen who arrived did was disarm these very hunters based on logic - "how it happened" ...

[Misantrop]

Quote: Sakhalininets

Nothing would have changed, except that there would have been more victims.

Of course, no one argues anymore. But there would be militants in this heap. It is even more likely that this massacre simply would not have happened. For such "actions" are planned and carried out exactly THERE, where it is SAFE for militants and there are REAL chances of success.

[vadimN]

Quote: Misantrop

such "actions" are planned and carried out exactly THERE, where it is SAFE for militants and there are REAL chances of success

That's it! And this is the law for all bandits, terrorists and just nuts. Everyone is already tired of hearing about the mass shootings in the USA, but few people know that under American law there are "weapon-free zones" - these are territories where it is forbidden to enter with weapons. These are schools, cinemas, theaters, other cultural institutions with mass visits to people ... It is precisely in these "unarmed" zones that the psycho shooters go! For they know that in armed America, only in these zones can they be killed unhindered, without fear of rebuff!
Something no one had ever heard a psycho killer go to shoot at a rockers bar ...

[wasjasibirjac]

and you carefully read the bill - a short barrel with an energy of 300 J. - this is not even PM, but pistols under 9 * 17 or less. for self-defense even less, but it’s clearly not AK than our terriki are usually armed

[Slayer]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

, Now lobbyists, impaired in personal safety, will come running and will yell that without a pistol it would be scary to go out onto the street.

I’m an avid hunter, and I wouldn’t refuse to hunt a good trunk)))

[Misantrop]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Some of our deputies cannot wait to arm the Caucasus

Arm? Wake up, the Caucasus has been armed for a long time. Moreover, its most criminal part is a heavy weapon. Do you think that they are now unarmed and are waiting for permission from Medvedev?

[vadimN]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Some of our deputies are eager to arm the Caucasus. I see little shoot.

Leaving aside disputes about the resolution or prohibition of the short-barrels, I allow myself to object to this phrase of yours. But is the Caucasus now not armed at all? And for this, they absolutely do not need the decisions of our deputy gathering. Almost every house has weapons in Chechnya and Dagestan ... About two or three weeks ago, Metlina’s broadcast on the topic of civilian weapons was broadcast on TV. I accidentally turned on the channel and looked to the end ... During the discussion, a teleconference with Grozny, directly with Chechen President Kadyrov, was turned on. Metlina directly asked him a question, and what is the situation in the republic with weapons in the hands of the population? Kadyrov’s answer struck me, although he didn’t say anything new ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dz9GMxxFzk

Mr. Kadyrov very skillfully evaded the answer to the direct question, and the essence of his answer was this: the people of Russia are extremely contraindicated, but in the Caucasus, every man feels himself a warrior, and a soldier has a weapon!
Watch the video to the end ...
This all very much resembles the 90 years in Chechnya, when the then government of the republic turned to the population of Grozny with a request to surrender their weapons. Allegedly, in order to maintain calm ... The law-abiding Russian population of the city suffered their shotguns to be handed over to the police ... What everyone knows then how it ended. Their Chechen neighbors are all warriors in their hearts, they didn’t send weapons ...

[Mitzhel]

The free circulation of firearms is nonsense and what this nonsense leads to we regularly see

What do we regularly see? Could it be that in the USA, where 300 million guns are on hand, the level of homicides is on average twice lower than in the Russian Federation ?? You can immediately see who has more schizos in power and in general in the country ...

[Sakhalininsk]

Quote: Mitzhel

What do we regularly see? Could it be that in the USA, where 300 million guns are on hand, the level of homicides is on average twice lower than in the Russian Federation ?? You can immediately see who has more schizos in power and in general in the country ...

Who gave you such figures on the level of murders? Unlike the United States, we do not have regular executions in child care facilities.
Do not read the American press, it’s harmful ... and God forbid you from the small British, and even worse the Polish press

[Mitzhel]

What does the American press have to do with it? In the United States, unlike the Russian Federation, gangs in the forests with machine guns are not rummaged and tanks do not shoot at houses where militants are seated. For example, in 2009 in the Russian Federation 15 954 murders per 140 million were committed and in the USA 15 241 murders per 300 million were registered. The number of people killed in 2012 in the Russian Federation in general is almost 40 thousand people, these are murders and grievous bodily injuries after which the victim died ... despite the fact that in the United States 300 million guns are at the hands of citizens, including machine guns with machine guns, but the number of violent crimes is doubled below, even with all sorts of crazies, they shoot a couple of times a year.

[Mitzhel]

He specifically looked at both sites - the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation and the FBI. 2011 killings

USA - 4.8 per 100 thousand

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-201
1 / tables / table_16_rate_number_of_crimes_per_100000_inhabitants_by_population_gro
up_2011.xls

RF

http://mvd.ru/presscenter/statistics/reports/item/209743/

"As a result of criminal encroachments, 40,1 thousand people died"

tobish those same 11-13 per 100 thousand

[Misantrop]

Quote: Sakhalininets

and what this nonsense leads to, we regularly see from news coming from the country

Only yesterday they discussed the reliability of the information provided by the news feeds of the media. And its compliance with the REAL state of affairs. Building your worldview on this IMHO is the same as drawing knowledge about the world based on commercials
Take a closer look at the list and direction of legislative acts of recent years, lobbied by the current government. Continuous "forbid", "toughen up", "cancel", etc. I am generally silent about Medvedev's legislative initiatives. He will soon agree to the point (for example) that a suspected alcohol driver will have to be shot right on the highway with confiscation of property from all relatives. And what helps a lot?

[Pimply]

I would recommend that you familiarize yourself with the statistics. And she clearly says that these crimes were committed where there are strict restrictions on the carrying and storage of weapons.

[Jarilo]

Quote: Sakhalininets

Free turnover firearms that's bullshit

Free turnover? Is it like a sausage in a store?
Generally speaking about legal possession of the COP, this means passing commissions, training, registration, obtaining permits, etc. (see. ZOO). AND fire weapon we are allowed that more than 7 million barrels in the hands of citizens are legal.
And if you advocate for a reduction in violent death in the Russian Federation, then it is forbidden to forbid vehicles at the time, because 28 dead and almost 000 crippled in road accidents in 300 are not 000 killed and 2012 injured from injuries. In general, if you are interested in the issue, look at the statistics on violent deaths both in the Russian Federation and in countries where the wearing of the cop is allowed, incl. and the countries of the former USSR (Baltic Modavia) and you will see that the number of murders during the legalization of the Constitutional Court is reduced by 100 percent.
Well, in general, there are more premeditated killings in our country than in the very armed states.
What can I say, criminals, and the same Caucasians, have plenty of weapons, illegal, without a bulletproof library, and law-abiding people do not have and are not supposed to, because slaves.

and what this nonsense leads to, we regularly see from the news

Look less durokop, there for you cook up any news, look more critically at the information.
Regards, Alexander

[volcano]

Expected and not surprising.
Still, the government would have taken measures to increase the effectiveness of the fight against crime by the Ministry of Internal Affairs would have been wonderful at all.
TokA who will raise it then. How to increase what is not?

[ochakow703]

If there’s been so much felling from traumatism ... It’s better to mash the Ministry of Internal Affairs twice a year ... to hack, so that it works better. After all, what happened to us is that something happened - we are raising measures, but so far they have not killed anyone - they are only preparing, quiet and grace, because they have not been killed ...

[Misantrop]

Quote: ochakow703

If there’s been so much out of traumatism ...

Yes, the fact of the matter is that traumatism in accuracy is the same hand grenade (unless efficiency is lower). It is UNPREDICTABLE and NOT IDENTIFICABLE. Moreover, it is not seriously considered as a weapon. Hence, all the kookies with her participation

[Misantrop]

Quote: ochakow703

It’s better to mite the militarians twice a year ... to stop, so that it works better.

And further. If you do the same at the same frequency with the institution in which you work, would that greatly increase efficiency?

[Vladimirets]

Well, they will not miss the short-barrel and will not, in general, it is uncritical for me personally. It is much worse if on this wave they begin to dibilize the rules for the circulation of hunting weapons.

[ochakow703]

So the dibilization has already begun. In the summer I went through a permit check, almost all the brains could not stand it ...

[commoners]

Maybe someone who is not so remote can explain to me how these "who are supposed to" differ from ordinary citizens, on the basis of what personal qualities they can be entrusted with a machine gun, and a citizen cannot be practically a scarecrow. Thousands of Russian men serve in the army and hold weapons in their hands, a few are shooting at their comrades. Isn't it worth talking about the psychological stress in the ranks? Then why our citizens whom the government considers "dibilistic" do not shoot each other in the barracks, but in civilian life will certainly start? How is a policeman with a pistol in a department store different from a civilian with 2 carbines in an office? Nothing. Both are crazy, only the police can now have weapons, but civilians will soon be banned from the smoothbore.

[Ustas]

Quote: plebs

Maybe someone close to me can explain how these "who are supposed to" differ from ordinary citizens, on the basis of what personal qualities they can be entrusted with a machine gun, and a citizen cannot be practically a scarecrow.

You want a pistol, go to the army.
But over the years of service in the army, I was so hated that I did not want to have it in any form.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Ustas

You want a pistol, go to the army.

And there they will give? I served until my retirement, but I never saw my pistol. Not just picking it up. For the watch there were several dead PM in the trash, from which to shoot - and then the problem

Quote: Ustas

But over the years of service in the army, I was so hated that I did not want to have it in any form.

And what, it is proposed to forcibly give out to everyone without exception and obligate to have with you constantly?

[commoners]

You want a pistol, go to the army.

He was, had an automatic, defended himself with his fists, when it was impossible otherwise. But to shoot at rivals, even a thought did not arise. But I do not accept such an attitude towards the citizens of Russia, because it turns out they really are some kind of barbarians, as they are represented in Europe, since their own government forbids them to have fools. Or maybe we really have not grown to civilized races and will kill each other for an oblique look?

[Ustas]

Quote: plebs

But I do not accept such an attitude towards the citizens of Russia, because it turns out they really are some kind of barbarians, as they are represented in Europe, since their own government forbids them to have fools.

Well, I'm not in the government, but I'm against the sale of firearms. And believe me, I'm not the only one.

[vadimN]

Quote: Ustas

But over the years of service in the army, I was so hated that I did not want to have it in any form.

Do not want - do not have! Nobody is arming anyone with force. But do not stop others from doing what they want within the law ...

[redwolf_13]

Prohibition of injury. That is yes. A short barrel can and should be given into the hands of people.
1. Why is it forbidden to injure the answer is simple it is impossible to track the bullet from the barrel and become criminal case and attract the person involved in the case. With a short barrel, on the contrary, having a bulletproof library, a person will be identified within 1 hour.
2. The authorities are afraid to give the people the right to bear arms; how will they immediately run each other at once to shoot complete BAD. Look at how many rifled and smooth-bore weapons are on hand and what’s where these mass shootings of civilians are.
3. Victim has more rights to life than attacker
4. In tsarist Russia, every 3 had a trunk. The Russian civilian arms market was in second place in the world.

[lexa patriot]

I would like to know from the opponents of the trunks how to protect myself from attacking barbaric father or mother with children.
For any ambal your farting (such as traumatism or a gas pistol is an empty phrase)
HOPING the help of the POLICE in a fleeting situation is FUNNY.

[Kite]

Quote: lexa patriot

I would like to know from the opponents of the trunks how to protect myself from attacking barbaric father or mother with children.

- and I would like to hear from the supporters of the possession of the KS (short-barreled) what are their ideas about the rules for using weapons not in the shooting range, not on the shooting range, not on the battlefield, but in the city, "by a father (an elderly person, probably, or a mother with children, or ...........), it seems correct to determine the moment of the inevitability of the use of weapons, what requirements a potential owner must meet (age, physical and mental development, health, biography, ........ ...........................).
Those who are supposed to have a weapon now, do not carry it with them for no particular reason, very troublesome! If you apply, then the examination should show the validity of the application (for example: the holes from the bullet in the clothes and in the body correspond to the position of the hands raised with an ax (crowbar, stone, .......), well, if it was not a shootout. This is a direct contact situation.
Are you going to use weapons from a distance? And then how can you prove the danger to your life? Behavior model: I walk in the evening, the company "walks" in the park, drinks, one of the company separates and, I see, is heading in my direction, or on a counter course. Is this a reason to open fire? No! But another in a similar situation, pulls out the barrel. This is the use of weapons, a threat. The threat causes an increase in aggression, the desire to punish the threatening person is not necessary now, but taking advantage of a more favorable moment. I wrote this to clarify that the weapon should be alerted only when you have made the final decision on the necessity and possibility of firing in the current conditions. Otherwise, you increase the danger to yourself, create it where it was not.
And the muzzle energy of 300 J is very small! (mounting cartridges have an energy of more than 1 kJ) You have to shoot right at the most vulnerable places so that the wounded animal does not tear you in a rage. (and father / mother’s hands are trembling) Combat cartridges cannot be used for sure, their ricochets and slaughter in proud conditions are too dangerous for others.
Well, are you very encouraged by the possibility of owning a COP with such conditions? (do not forget about compliance with the requirements of the licensing system and control)

[Mitzhel]

Quote: Kite

what are their ideas about the rules for using weapons not in the shooting range, not on the shooting range, not on the battlefield, but in the city, "by a father (an elderly person, probably, or a mother with children, or ...........) , it seems to be correct to determine the moment of the inevitability of the use of weapons, what requirements should the potential owner meet

approximately since 71 year old grandfather in Florida dealt with two colored bandits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-hJGppkOFA



but of course this is the path of schizics and heirs of those who genocide unhappy Indians. Highly spiritual grandfathers of the Russian Federation should call the police, endure and wait.

[Kite]

Quote: Mitzhel

approximately since 71 year old grandfather in Florida dealt with two colored bandits

- you gave an example of the use of pneumatics with plastic balls in the context of a discussion of rifled COP, is this correct ??

[Mitzhel]

you gave an example of the use of pneumatics with plastic balls

You got something wrong ...

[Kite]

Would you be able to run away so quickly after several shots at you at close range, even with just that with an energy of 300 J? Another would, after such "injuries" to grandfather's "pukalku", could insert it into the pukalka and completely discharge it (but this is a continuation of this game video)

[Mitzhel]

In Florida, the climate is hot and people mostly carry light subcompact pistols. Grandfather had just such a .380 caliber ... The caliber has an extremely insufficient stopping effect compared to the beloved Americans .45 and .40. But even such a little stick in the hands of the old man was able to stop the crime, the criminals were injured, took to flight and were subsequently arrested by the police.

game clip

Yeah ... everything was shot at a safe house in Qatar, commissioned by the Washington Regional Committee. There are a lot of such videos on YouTube where armed criminals scoop up the first shot by law-abiding citizens. This is a real old man named Samuel Williams and there are thousands of such incidents in the USA a year ...

[Kite]

And what are you proving to me? That the COP is necessary for the upbringing of juvenile punks, hooligan with toy pistols (the "bandit" joked, even the wounded he was not going to shoot back)? Well, would there be a more serious bandit? That grandfather would quickly get rid of earthly hardships and a few more grandmothers next to him.
And note, the old man would not have an excuse if he had laid both of them on the spot with an army colt! (there would be no other victims)

[Mitzhel]

Firstly, most American ghetto gopniks have no toy guns at all. Secondly, the weapons in the hands of citizens are needed specifically to counter the scumbag, street thugs, those who want to get into the house in the middle of the night will invade private property, etc. Nobody says that grandfather with a gun must storm the Mafia headquarters or arrange shootings with drug cartel militants. There are police and special services for this.

[wasjasibirjac]

American folk wisdom - let it be better if 12 are judged than 4 are. if some idiot crawls to a woman with a small child and she will "fill up" him for this, then let it be better, but if the idiot knocks down without understanding and having no brakes, she must be ready for the fact that she herself will be "knocked"

[biglow]

lexa patriot,
and how to sew up if both the ambal and the mother with the child have a trunk. If the offender has a stable skill, he will be faster and stronger. In Britain, the police do not carry weapons and the criminals also come with weapons
If the people have weapons, then the injured victims of injuries will be corpses from gunshots. How many drunk and under the animals are brutally scorched from injuries, but everyone is alive, and if it is a firearm, then corpses will appear. This is obvious

[Mitzhel]

Since when has the UK become an example in the field of arms legislation? There, Sharia patrols have recently appeared in London ...

[Misantrop]

Quote: biglow

How many drunk and under the substances of animals they scorch each other from injuries, but everyone is alive

Not only are they alive, but they are not punished either. Therefore, it will only get worse. Or is there a hope that everything "will resolve itself"? So far, the opposite is true.

Quote: biglow

If the criminal has a steady skill, he will be faster and stronger.

Let us legislate this, let the strongest survive, spitting on the laws.

Quote: biglow

In Britain, the police do not carry weapons and criminals also come with weapons

And what, there, and hunting weapons - a sign of an aristocrat, the rest of it is almost inaccessible. And what about the result? Is Britain an oasis of well-being in a world of rampant crime? Is the situation improving there?

[wasjasibirjac]

The ambal will go to the local police department for information, undergo a training course, legally acquire a barrel and with this barrel he will go to the "business." fiction

[koksalek]

It must be the same as the authorities were afraid that the gray masses could fight back, they are satisfied when the population bends down by all and sundry, that the legitimate bearers of power, that others are on the other side of the first. Something is not visible that all those close to the authorities disarmed, the authorities themselves and who looks into their mouths, about these things has been said much above in the comments. The legitimate government cares about its safety, and they hammered into my head the thought "don't you dare to resist", examples when you defend yourself and are guilty and the attacker becomes the victim - darkness. Minus for my disagreement with the opinion of the majority, only I know that besides myself no one will protect me and all these beautiful slogans from the top remain slogans.

[Kite]

Yes, you forget stupid thoughts about the thrill of power in front of a civilian COP. You yourself will require restricting the access of armed people to so many visited / crowded places! (at school, in a tavern, in a stadium, in a bank / office, ................................... ...)

[Clueless]

Quote: biglow

and how to sew up if both the ambal and the mother with the child have a trunk. If the offender has a stable skill, he will be faster and stronger. In Britain, the police do not carry weapons and the criminals also come with weapons
If the people have weapons, then the injured victims of injuries will be corpses from gunshots. How many drunk and under the animals are brutally scorched from injuries, but everyone is alive, and if it is a firearm, then corpses will appear. This is obvious

sorrow from the mind ..

they shoot at each other from injuries when they are drunk, usually because you can show the horseradish from which barrel the shot was fired this time, the second - I personally do not feel pity for this gene pool, let them shoot each other faster, because they can shoot current at each other when drunk scumbags

moreover, people die too often from injuries, because frostbite always shoots in the head

in Britain, the police already carry weapons, so let's not star;)

as for the amball and the mother, such as if both have a trunk, the ambal has more chances, yes .. but the mother has a chance, but if she is unarmed, there’s no chance at all, and not only that, she’ll not be helped the citizen is near, for then they too will be unarmed

[biglow]

Clueless,
that you learn to use weapons, you need to train, many of you know who will spend free time in the dash and spend money on ammunition?
Many women carry tear or pepper spray cans in handbags, but only a few use it.
And the question is why should the robber send a gun to a woman? Either it's a coward or a psychopath who wants to shoot ...

[lexa patriot]

In our society, there is still a bias towards the so-called GOPNIKOV.
The presence of weapons in the population, although it gives a chance of protection against BANDYUKOV

At the same time, the use of the same weapon (even a penknife) by a law-abiding RUSSIAN CITIZEN against a rapist causing him injuries DOES THAT THE STATE SHOULD NOT PRISON THE GANDBAND AND HIS Sacrifice - THIS is generally a MARASM from law enforcement agencies.

[Misantrop]

Quote: biglow

Many women carry tear or pepper spray cans in handbags, but only a few use it.

Why then is there no general cry that "these abnormal psychopaths" will poison us all tomorrow?

[Clueless]

Quote: biglow

that you learn to use weapons, you need to train, many of you know who will spend free time in the dash and spend money on ammunition?

those who possess hunting weapons, almost all arrange various post-shootings in shooting clubs, hunting, in nature (although this is partially prohibited)

if a person spends his money on a short-barrel (which stands like a good shotgun we’ll notice), then I think he’ll spend a penny on ammunition without any problems for training

Quote: biglow

Many women carry tear or pepper spray cans in handbags, but only a few use it.
And the question is why should the robber send a gun to a woman? Either it's a coward or a psychopath who wants to shoot ...

it’s logical that only a few people use the spray, we still do not have complete anarchy in the country;) plus some women keep the sprays in their bag, but you need to keep it in your pocket, where it’s easier to get

You do not understand the psychology of the criminal, if he has a weapon - he will send it to the victim, corny because the victim has less incentive to call for help. Otherwise, if he approaches the same woman without a weapon (knife, gun, screwdriver, etc.), then she will start yelling and fend off him

And as for the need for weapons, I would take you so brave and send a tour to various villages in Siberia, which consist entirely of prisoners and drunks, they quickly explained to you there that you were wrong. Because tourists always go to such places (and the nature in such places is simply amazing) with groups and, moreover, with weapons, then not one local person wants to pester them with criminal desires, because they will immediately receive at least a small fraction in return. And pacifists are usually robbed there in broad daylight.

[commoners]

if a person spends his money on a short-barrel (which stands like a good shotgun we’ll notice), then I think he’ll spend a penny on ammunition without any problems for training

Moreover, if it is legally enshrined (training before obtaining permission), for some reason you need to get a license to drive a car, and just give out a gun or something?

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Bad

if a person spends his money on a short-barrel (which stands like a good shotgun we’ll notice), then I think he’ll spend a penny on ammunition without any problems for training

Isn’t it easier, more familiar than the tolor in the hall?

[sniper]

Quote: There was a mammoth

more familiar tolor

Excuse me, but aren't you the old percent-raiser ???? But seriously, answer me one question .... Right now there is a rearmament of the army with other pistols and what do you think the vacant PMs will go to? What arsenals will start to burn again to hide the shortage?

[Was mammoth]

Plus you for the old woman! +

[Misantrop]

Quote: sniper

where will the freed PMs go

IMHO there, where did you go from the Ukrainian warehouses, not having time to get there

[sniper]

Quote: Misantrop

to the same place that happened to the Ukrainian warehouses,

So I’m saying that it’s better to sell their law-abiding citizens than someone will sell the bandits ...

[wasjasibirjac]

and carry a hallway with you constantly?

[Was mammoth]

And you for the hallway plus!

[redwolf_13]

And let's ban irons and kitchen knives because a lot of people die from their use. Well, let's seriously fall into insanity. What a behavior of slaves. The master will give us weapons and we will immediately begin to kill each other. Madhouse. People you hear yourself.
Tell me, whose parents are hunters at home, the rules for handling weapons are instilled. Do you think that if tomorrow a short barrel is allowed, it will cost a ruble or a truck will come to absorb, from where will it scatter weapons ???
I just bought everything, put it in a safe, you have the right to use it for home protection (so far only at home and your loved ones) 5 years have passed the law has no questions for you. Hand over the test. pay money and get another license to wear it all the time.
But my friend, if he lost, forgot somewhere or accidentally used a weapon without reason, then I'm sorry brother "YOUR HOUSE PRISON"
I’ll say right away the burden of being with weapons, let alone re-registering, paying taxes, and setting off credits will turn many away from the trunk. And even more so when you know that they will find you easily by the pool, many heads will cool.

[Was mammoth]

We need non-viable laws on self-defense and the normal operation of law enforcement agencies and courts. Then all debates about the short-barrel will disappear. Even if they allow me to have pistols, I’d better spend 15-30 thousand rubles on my granddaughter, and not on cartridges and a short barrel.

[sniper]

Quote: There was a mammoth

We need non-viable laws on self-defense and the normal operation of law enforcement agencies and courts.

This is exactly what is needed in the first place !!!

[Misantrop]

Quote: There was a mammoth

We need non-viable laws on self-defense and the normal functioning of law enforcement agencies and courts

Just a thing? And why the heck then a gun, in fact? But is there a chance that all this will appear soon? Or at least for the foreseeable future? Because otherwise these thousands will be needed in order to otmazyvatsya from the courts, and granddaughters to hire protection. That is exactly what is heading so far.

[sniper]

Well, while the law does not protect us and even having a trunk, it is very problematic to use it for self-defense, what can I say ...

[Misantrop]

Quote: sniper

even having a barrel, it is very problematic to use it for self-defense

Someone like that, but I'd rather go to prison, protecting my family, than bury them in the cemetery. Moreover, as a retired officer (familiar with weapons not from films) I will be sure that innocent not put

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Misantrop

Whatever, but I’d better go to jail, protecting my family

Everything happened in my life. I didn’t carry a gun — not a bandit, and you won’t get a mug of beer. There were three knife scars on the body, two lungs, one of moderate severity. In the latter case, he saved a stupid stranger from rape at the cost of a knife wound. And if the reptiles had trunks? I wouldn’t communicate with you on the site. I don’t know whether it is necessary to allow a short barrel. Supporters and opponents have many advantages. But I know for sure that the fault is largely in power. I remember a time when people were not afraid for the lives of loved ones and their own without weapons.

[Misantrop]

Quote: There was a mammoth

I remember a time when people were not afraid for the lives of loved ones and their own without weapons.

Last summer I went to such a place myself. At the same time, not leaving Crimea. I didn’t even think that such a thing is possible here now. Walking at night through the streets of the resort is absolutely calm, people do not close houses at night. I have never heard a fight or abuse. And this despite the fact that tourists' cars - all roadsides are forced. Zapadensky, Russian, Moldavian, Belarusian, etc. numbers. Not like hijacking, even a wheel has never been pierced by anyone. And restaurants work until the morning. How to get back to the USSR. All this is THE SAME PEOPLE who are ready to tear anyone else in other places. Here is such an amazing aura at this place, in the summer I will go there again ...

[redwolf_13]

I dare to argue with you. If the floor is the situation with a stupid girl, but you have a short barrel in your holster. I think that it would not have come to the knife. Why I speak was a personal experience. The girl was also dragged into the car and very menacingly visited to communicate demonstrating a knife. But you know the clang of the shutter cools many heads. And after that, a polite conversation began on account of the fact that they identified themselves. And a knife is just a piece of iron "they wanted to brag to a good man" Excuse me, I have always said and say:
The victim has more rights to LIFE than the attacker.

[sniper]

Quote: Misantrop

I’m sure that I didn’t put the innocent

I completely agree with you, that's why I stand for permission for a short barrel, although I myself can do without it perfectly, there is something ...

[redwolf_13]

All correctly took the weapon in hand, use it thinking 200 times. But applied be ready to answer. But the problem is not even in the trunk, but in the legislation. Legislation must be changed Namely 39 to become "Exceeding the limits of extreme necessity recognizes the infliction of harm that clearly does not correspond to the nature and degree of the threatened danger and the circumstances in which the danger was eliminated, when the specified interests were caused harm equal to or more significant than prevented. Such an excess entails constitutes criminal liability only in cases of intentional harm. "
Everything will depend on how the prosecutor's uncle interprets your right to defense. And it happens in a different way that the object of the attack disappears at once and a 5 bulldozer under 2 meters in height is just mischievous people who wanted to know "how to get to the library at 10 o'clock at night." But you can become a monster who arranged a "bloody hunt" for poor students

[Was mammoth]

Quote: Misantrop

Just a thing?

I believe that the problem is in the authorities - in the laws, courts and "mentopolies". You can put things in order, if you wish. And in education. For example, sticking to a guy walking with a girl in my youth was to disgrace myself.

Quote: Misantrop

And why the heck then a gun, in fact?

I love weapons too.

[Misantrop]

Quote: There was a mammoth

You can put things in order, there would be a desire

WHO'S DESIRE? The ones in whom the main problem is now? And when they have such a (disastrous for themselves) desire will appear?

[Ivanushra]

"In this regard, the free circulation of rifled short-barreled firearms will have a negative impact on the state of public security in the country, entail a significant complication of the state of law and order and an increase in crimes committed with its use or with the aim of taking possession of it."
At us where everything is bought a medical certificate for carrying weapons can be acquired and And the All-Russian shooting will begin. If you go out and listen to people, everyone is angry at each other. But on the street they’re even afraid to act illegally, and what is happening in the net and all this negativity can go out into the streets.

[redwolf_13]

Thousands speak and bark, but few act. What now prevents to grab a knife or an ax and run to cut and chop the people out of their anger. Even there is no mass bloodshed. The people are SHOCKED into their heads with this thought "WE will give you a weapon and you will immediately begin to kill each other." But WE are not fools whom we think we are. Recently, a lady from the Federation Council with a zomboyaschika broadcasted "let the police deal with law enforcement," and AS if the cops arrive, you have to wait 2 hours. Esle near the tavern 3 hulks are sweeping people and the outfit of the PPS stands around the corner and looks at how it will end. Yes, you can say that let the police deal with when you have a guarded house, you and your household are under guard. Then yes. And with the edits, everything is just criminal liability and a ban on medical work during life for a medical certificate will correct the situation. They proved that the person is a drug addict, mentally unstable, oblique, blind, but he was given a certificate. WHO? Dr. Pilyulkin. 3 years of settlement to think about your bad deed and I'm sorry you are no longer a doctor and your 8 years spent studying is "zilch". Go look for yourself in life further. There will be no more left references. The doctor who issued such a certificate automatically becomes a PARTICIPANT of the psychopath

[Misantrop]

Quote: Ivanushra

If you go out and listen to people, everyone is angry at each other. But on the street they’re even afraid to act illegally, and what is happening in the net and all this negativity can go out into the streets.

What kind of nonsense? If everyone is SO angry at each other, why aren’t they cutting with kitchen knives (at any home - a whole arsenal), they’re not shooting from a hunting one, they’re not pushing with wheels? Well, stop talking nonsense, not the kids though.

Quote: Ivanushra

on the street at least they are afraid to do illegal

Are they not afraid of the same police, which you have to wait for hours upon call? Or "inevitable" punishment (from which, in your own words, to buy off is a piece of cake)?

[Misantrop]

Here, in the "Picture of the Day" insert, there is a good article about the short-barrel in Ukraine. I recommend reading, interesting thoughts:
http://warfiles.ru/show-22692-byt-ili-ne-byt-oruzhiyu-v-ukraine.html