Historian: "In the 1863 year, Belarusians supported not Poland and Kalinovsky, but Russia and the sovereign"

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Historian: "In the 1863 year, Belarusians supported not Poland and Kalinovsky, but Russia and the sovereign""History the 1863 uprising of the year has been falsified, ”Belarusian historian, Doctor of Historical Sciences, Professor Yevgeny Novik told 22 on January 24 to a REGNUM correspondent.

In 2013, Poland celebrates the anniversary of the January uprising, 1863, when part of the nobility of the Polish Kingdom called for secession from the Russian Empire and the restoration of the independence of the Polish state - Rzecz Pospolita within the boundaries of 1772, i.e. including the lands of modern Belarus, Ukraine and Lithuania. On the territory of the North-Western region of the empire (modern Belarus and Lithuania), Polish gentry troops were led by Vikenty Kalinovsky, better known in Belarusian fiction as “Kastus Kalinovsky”. The Belarusian peasantry did not support the Polish insurrection, actively supporting the legal authorities, which did not prevent Soviet historians from declaring the Polish nobility to be a "peasant" uprising, a "national liberation" and almost separate from the Warsaw leadership center. Lithuanian Seimas declared 2013 the year as the year of the anniversary of the "national liberation uprising" of 1863. The authorities of Belarus defiantly do not hold any events - just like last year, when the anniversary of the Patriotic War 1812 was celebrated.

According to Novik, 1863 events of the year are interpreted differently in Poland and Belarus. The jubilee date is politicized, and the most important issues of this period require study.

"The uprising of 1863-1864 in Poland, Lithuania and Belarus was aimed at restoring the Commonwealth within 1772 of the year. This uprising can be called a gentry, because the gentry was the main driving force of the uprising," Novik said. "The gentry wanted to regain" golden gentry liberties ", which had in the Commonwealth. Peasants, Belarusian peasants for the most part did not support the uprising, but supported the legitimate power of the Russian sovereign, for which they had trouble from the rebels and gratitude from the Russian tsar."

In Russian pre-revolutionary historiography, these events were called the "Polish insurgency." In Belarusian historiography and contemporary journalism, the events of 1863 of the year are interpreted as “the national liberation uprising of 1863-1864”, “the uprising in Lithuania-Belarus”, “the national liberation uprising”, “Kastus Kalinousky's uprising”. Novik believes that the naming of 1863 events dominating in modern Belarusian historiography do not reflect the fullness of the phenomenon and are wrongfully narrowed, in particular, to focus on the personality of Vikenty Konstantin Kalinovsky.

“The insurrection was not led by Kalinowski, but by the Central National Committee in Warsaw. Kalinowski led the uprising in Belarus and Lithuania. He was entrusted with leadership when it became clear that the insurrection would not succeed when the Russian army began to smash the troops of the Polish rebels. Kalinowski took on leadership of the uprising and put his head on the block, "said the historian.

“Modern Belarusian historiography inherited terminology from Soviet historiography, which emphasized the national democratic, national liberation character of the 1863 uprising of the year, the revolutionary character,” the professor pointed out. According to him, Soviet historiography was largely ideologized, which is also characteristic of post-Soviet historiography interpreting the 1863 events of the year - especially for publicists belonging to the camp of the pro-Western opposition or the “fifth column”, as Alexander Lukashenko calls them.

“Their desire is understandable: to show that the 1863 uprising of the year was anti-Russian and national liberation for the Belarusian people. Such authors, using the work of Soviet scientists, fall into another extreme,” Novik continued. “Actually, the speeches were organized by the Polish gentry, supported by the Polish nobility in Belarus and Lithuania. The Polish National National Committee led the uprising. The gentry came out against the power of the Russian Tsar, against Russian statehood, for the creation of an independent Polish state. "

“As for the Belarusians: in 1863, the Belarusians supported the tsar, Russia. And then the Belarusians - Belarusian peasants - were for the Russian people, and still are. For Belarusians, there are no closer people, and now. Therefore, now between Belarus and Russia has such close ties, ”Novik noted.“ In the 19th century, the Belarusian people did not support the Polish insurgents, but supported the Russian government, the Russian authorities. This is also indicated by the percentage of peasants, not only Belarusian, in the Polish gentry units: around 20-30% western provinces and around 5-7% east full-time lands of modern Belarus. Local peasants refused to fight for the "Polish right."

In Poland and Lithuania, the year 2013 is declared to commemorate the "national liberation" uprising of the year 1863. A complex of ceremonial events is being implemented. One of them was held on January 22 in the Belarusian city of Svisloch, Grodno region: the Polish ambassador, as well as representatives of the Lithuanian and Latvian embassies laid flowers at the monument to the leaders of the Polish gentry troops who were hanged in Vilna and Warsaw after the uprising was suppressed. Mourning events were held in churches and at the monuments to the Polish insurgents in other settlements of Belarus. At the same time, nobody remembered those who died at the hands of the insurgents of the Belarusian peasants. Russian diplomats did not consider it necessary to visit the graves of Russian soldiers who died during the suppression of the Polish insurrection of 1863.

“It’s not known how many Belarusian peasants died from the rebels. It’s really a serious problem that had to be solved long ago,” the professor said. “With regard to events in Poland and Lithuania, as well as publications in the local opposition press:“ The cuckoo praises the rooster for that he praises the cuckoo "- remember these lines from the fable? Today, the politicians of these countries, some local oppositionists see an opportunity to benefit from the celebration of the anti-Russian uprising. Unfortunately, this is so."

"In Belarus, the anniversary of 1863 is not celebrated. There are some news on this topic in the press - about some events of pro-Polish politicians and individual historians, but on the whole everything is somehow passive and bleak. Today Moscow is much closer to us than Warsaw, ”added the Belarusian scientist.

As REGNUM reported earlier, on January 20 a scientific conference "Polish gentry uprising 1863 was held in Minsk. A look at the events of 150 years later," organized by the Western Russia educational project and the Eurasian Research Center of the Minsk branch of the Russian State Social University (RGSU). "The conference was timed to the 150 anniversary of the beginning of the uprising of the Polish gentry in the Kingdom of Poland and the Western Territory of the Russian Empire for the purpose of modern and impartial consideration of events whose meaning has undergone significant distortion, and the facts of which continue to be falsified by individual political forces in the Republic of Belarus, the Russian Federation, in Ukraine and in foreign countries ", - informed the website of the organizer zapadrus.su. Participants of the event heard reports and took part in discussions with guests - representatives of NGOs.

The Polish Embassy in Belarus on January 21 informed that high-ranking representatives of official Warsaw will take part in events dedicated to the 150 anniversary of the Polish 1863-1864 uprising, known in Polish historiography as the "January Uprising". Polish Ambassador to Belarus Leszek Szerepka will take part in the events. They will be held throughout the 2013 year, incl. in the territory of Belarus and Lithuania. "President of the Republic of Poland Bronislaw Komorowski received honorary patronage over the events related to the celebration of this important historical event, the opening ceremony took place on January 16 2013 in the presidential palace in Warsaw," the embassy staff said.

Diplomats of Poland, Lithuania and Latvia on January 22 visited the Svisloch district center in the Grodno region of Belarus, where they honored the “victims of the 1863-1864 uprising” - that is, Polish rebels fighting with weapons in the hands against Russia. According to the Lithuanian embassy, ​​"the diplomats laid flowers to the freedom fighters" and observed a minute of silence for the two leaders of the anti-Russian "national liberation uprising".
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  1. Polymer
    +6
    30 January 2013 08: 34
    The winners write the story ....
    1. Frigate
      +4
      30 January 2013 09: 04
      Quote: Polymer
      The winners write the story ....

      The United States still rewrites the USA to all post-Soviet countries
      1. +2
        30 January 2013 10: 53
        The United States has megalomania. She considers herself a winner in everything and at all times. Therefore, rewrites history.
  2. Insurgent
    -7
    30 January 2013 09: 55
    Kalinovsky is a national hero for Belarus whether anyone likes it or not, the Belarusian peasant doesn’t care to work for the lord or both bloodsuckers for the Russian gentleman, I doubt that they really loved the Russian tsar
    1. xan
      +2
      30 January 2013 11: 06
      Quote: Insurgent
      Kalinovsky is a national hero for Belarus whether anyone likes it or not, the Belarusian peasant doesn’t care to work for the lord or both bloodsuckers for the Russian gentleman, I doubt that they really loved the Russian tsar

      did you read the article?
      do you know anything about that time in Belarus?
      1. 0
        30 January 2013 12: 40
        He just had to say something))
      2. Insurgent
        -6
        30 January 2013 13: 29
        Do you teach me a citizen of Belarus?
        1. -1
          30 January 2013 15: 15
          In my opinion you are a German.
        2. slas
          0
          30 January 2013 18: 17
          Quote: Insurgent
          Do you teach me a citizen of Belarus?

          Even on the flag is not noticeable)))
          1. 0
            30 January 2013 21: 03
            Yes, he is in his Germany a patriot of Belarus, apparently from the Old Man fled. SchA snot starts to dissolve as their rights are violated there, etc.
      3. Vitmir
        0
        31 January 2013 16: 06
        What do you know about that time?
        Read "Weapon" at V. Korotkevich's leisure - you will learn a lot of interesting things about that time and about Moscow ...
    2. slas
      0
      30 January 2013 18: 13
      Quote: Insurgent
      Kalinovsky is a national hero for Belarus whether anyone likes it or not

      And you Belarusians asked who they recognize as a hero and who not! ??? Like you decide for others wink ? This is not to carry bags - I decided how to cut)))
      1. Vitmir
        -1
        31 January 2013 16: 04
        That's it. Kastus Kalinovsky is a national hero of Belarus, such as, for example, Simon Bolivar in Latin America.
        1. slas
          0
          2 February 2013 11: 16
          Quote: VitMir
          That's it. Kastus Kalinovsky is a national hero of Belarus, such as, for example, Simon Bolivar in Latin America.

          Mmmm understand. And in Ukraine, who the hero is, do not tell me how any closer the country than S. Ameryka
    3. +1
      30 January 2013 19: 02
      Weakly know the story. The uprising occurred after the abolition of serfdom. The people didn’t follow the saints and supported the Russian army.
      By the way, Austria-Hungary was also bustling around here, but ... any rebellion not supported by the people is doomed to failure.
    4. +1
      30 January 2013 20: 41
      Insurgent
      "Kalinouski is a national hero for Belarus who likes it or not"
      He is the same Belarusian as I am French.
      "The Kalinovsky family comes from Mazovia (Poland) [2], where it has been mentioned since the end of the 13th century. Subsequently, it was divided into 2 branches included in the I and IV parts of the genealogy books of Vilna, Grodno, Vitebsk, Volyn, Koven, Minsk, Mogilev and Podolsk provinces and in the lists of noblemen of the Kingdom of Poland The ancestors of Kalinovsky for almost a hundred years owned the Kalinovo estate on the Bran land in the borderlands of Belarus and Poland, but in the second half of the 18th century the estate was sold [3].
      Father - a landless nobleman from Grodno, the owner of a small textile factory Semyon Kalinovsky (Belorussian. Symon (Syamyon) Kalinoski, Polish. Szymon Kalinowski); mother, Veronika Rybinskaya, died when Konstantin was 5 years old. Konstantin Semenovich Kalinovsky was born on the estate of Mostovlyany (now a village in the Grodno district of the Grodno region of Belarus) in the Grodno region.
      Among modern historians there is no consensus on the nationality of Kalinovsky. Some consider him a Belarusian [4] [5] [6], others - a Pole [7] [8]. A contemporary of K. Kalinovsky, Major General V. F. Rutch, in his report to the Vilnius Governor-General M. M. Muravyov, stated the following: “Konstantin Kalinovsky, with the mood of the Herzen school at the head of the ambitious personalities of the Red Litvinians, persistently pursued the idea of ​​the independence of Lithuania” [9 ].
      You will deal with the nationalities of your newly-minted national heroes there. It is the same with its Polish-Lithuanian identity. You have a Belarusian patriot, the German flag and the rest is some kind of mess. Are you confused?
      1. Vitmir
        -1
        31 January 2013 16: 42
        What's not clear? Kastus Kalinovsky Litvin (i.e.Belarus), the national hero of Belarus, a martyr executed by tsarism.
    5. Vitmir
      -1
      31 January 2013 16: 08
      It is a pity that V. Korotkevich did not finish his "Wheat under your sickle" - people do not really know anything about the uprising of Kalinovsky, who fought "For your and our freedom!" out of the cracks ...
  3. +2
    30 January 2013 10: 48
    Russian diplomats did not consider it necessary to visit the graves of Russian soldiers who died during the suppression of the Polish rebellion of 1863.

    I think this is our mistake. In general, it is necessary to often poke the "Poles" into their own shit, and even more so not to succumb to their provocations.
  4. AK-47
    +2
    30 January 2013 10: 54
    "The history of the 1863 uprising was falsified," said ... Belarusian historian, Doctor of Historical Sciences, Professor Yevgeny Novik.

    Yes, calm yourself, falsifiers of history. What are you trying to achieve?
    In Belarus, streets, schools were named after Kalinovsky, monuments were erected, a medal was established. Placed on the Belarusian website, they will give you a rebuke throughout the program.
    1. 0
      30 January 2013 12: 33
      From the newspaper “Muzhitskaya Pravda”, published by Kastus Kalinovsky on the eve of the Belarusian people:


      The national Belarusian hero wrote in his native Belarusian language in Latin letters.
      1. sq
        +2
        30 January 2013 13: 21
        They wrote in Belarusian both in Latin and Cyrillic letters and even (in the old days) in Arabic letters. and after a couple of centuries of planting Poland with the Latin alphabet, it is not surprising that it was understood better than the Cyrillic alphabet, and even this is the attempt to dissociate itself from Russia.
        1. +1
          30 January 2013 13: 59
          Quote: kvm
          They wrote in Belarusian both in Latin and Cyrillic letters and even (in the old days) in Arabic letters.

          I am sure that they wrote in Latin. But who? And under whose influence?
          Or Belarusians do not have native writing?
          Just the speech about that influence.

          However, the answer to the question is given by "List Yaskі-Gaspadara Zapad Vilnі yes muzhsko zamly polish."
          Since the land is Polish, it is understandable why in Latin.
          1. 0
            30 January 2013 20: 47
            Navodlom "Since the land is Polish, it is clear why in Latin."
            Yes ... you can’t say better !!!!
          2. Vitmir
            -2
            31 January 2013 18: 15
            Do not disgrace, Dunno, in the multinational European state of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, both Latin and Cyrillic were used. And why should we deny the Latin alphabet? From what does Europe write on it? So to turn your nose from the Latin alphabet is a purely Moscow chip.
            They could not come up with their own language in Maskvabad - either Slavic words, then Turkic, then Finnish, drum-sarafan - well, except for the Albanian-padonkaffskogo ...

            We are on our own old Belarussian book - and what books! - printed before printing presses appeared at all in Moscow. And those printing machines, and our printers, from ON, were.
            1. +1
              31 January 2013 19: 13
              Quote: VitMir
              Do not disgrace, Dunno, in the multinational European state of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, both Latin and Cyrillic were used. And why should we deny the Latin alphabet? From what does Europe write on it? So to turn your nose from the Latin alphabet is a purely Moscow chip.

              In the multinational USSR, the Balts wrote in Latin. And the Georgians? Armenians? So what? Does this mean that for Russians, the Latin has become native? Or for the Georgians became the native Cyrillic?
              You yourself answer all the questions. VLK was multinational.
              But he is not, and we are talking about Belarus.
      2. Insurgent
        0
        30 January 2013 13: 30
        The Russian nobility spoke in French and what
        1. +2
          30 January 2013 14: 09
          Quote: Insurgent
          The Russian nobility spoke in French and what

          Insurgent, do not be strange.
          This leaflet appealed to the Belarusian peasantry almost on behalf of the future national hero-liberator.
          And then the great whims of the Russian nobility?

          Is the name Francis Skorin familiar?
          1. sq
            +1
            30 January 2013 16: 46
            Well, only the ignoramus did not know about Skorina under the Union, but will the names of Simon Budny and Vasil Tyapinsky tell you something?
            1. 0
              30 January 2013 18: 04
              Quote: kvm
              But will the names of Simon Budny and Vasil Tyapinsky tell you something?

              I confess - no. I just read it fluently.
              But still I didn’t understand why you mentioned Tyapinsky?
            2. Vitmir
              -2
              31 January 2013 16: 20
              They don’t know, and they don’t want to know. Not about Polotsk St. Sofia, blown up by Peter. neither about Simeon Polotsky, nor about Simon Budnag, nor about Vasil Tyapinsky, nor about the first printers Frantsysk Skaryn, Peter Mstislavets and Ivan Fedorov (ich) a, who tried to enlighten Muscovites and expelled from wild Moscow ...
              Tell them how to pour the beads in the wrong place ...
          2. Vitmir
            0
            31 January 2013 15: 59
            And what does Franzysk Skaryna have to do with it? Or do you already want to declare him a Muscovite ?!
            1. +1
              31 January 2013 16: 50
              Quote: VitMir
              And what does Franzysk Skaryna have to do with it? Or do you already want to declare him a Muscovite ?!

              In what oak collapsed, minus signer?
              Read above and slowly. I wrote that Belarusians have their own written language - the Slavic Cyrillic alphabet, on which the same Tyapinsky wrote.

              Climb back onto your oak tree and do not protrude.
  5. mamba
    +2
    30 January 2013 10: 58
    Is the Polish uprising a response to the opening of the Millennium of Russia monument in Veliky Novgorod in 1862? laughing Well, could the gentry endure this?
    An attempt to restore the former Catholic empire with Orthodox slaves seems somehow frivolous. Not at that time the Poles chose: the Crimean War has long ended. It was necessary to wait for some new war-zavarushki, and better than a real war, for example, it was already close to the First World War, and even closer to the Japanese and the first revolution. And they are the masters to put a knife into the back of Russia. am
    But only after the reckoning for betrayal, the moans somehow stretched for centuries.
    1. Vitmir
      -1
      31 January 2013 15: 58
      Apparently, you already forgot what you did to Novgorod and Pskov, the gulf of their blood, the Tsar of Moscow Ivan the Terrible ...
  6. 8 company
    +3
    30 January 2013 12: 33
    A foggy story. I do not think that among the Belarusians at that time a representative sociological study was conducted on the topic of their political preferences, so you can say anything.
    1. Vitmir
      -1
      31 January 2013 16: 37
      What's vague here :)? K. Kalinovsky fought for "your and our freedom", for the peasants whom the Russian tsar and nobles had just thrown away with liberation, for independence from the Russian Empire, which he rightly called "the prison of peoples" you know who ...
      1. +2
        31 January 2013 17: 04
        Quote: VitMir
        K. Kalinovsky fought for "your and our freedom" ... for independence from the Russian Empire

        No one is arguing here.
        And about the freedom of the Belarusian man ... fullness. Freedom from the Russian nobility and return to the gentry guardianship - this will be more true.
        1. Vitmir
          0
          31 January 2013 17: 54
          What birch have you fallen from?
          Why on earth should a Belarusian peasant be fond of loving the Russian landowner, the double oppressor, and his defenders, the tsar’s gendarmes, more than his Belarusian nobleman?
          Hang out on your birch and do not meddle in our Belarusian affairs.
          1. +1
            31 January 2013 18: 41
            VitMir
            an attempt to distort and nothing more.
            We kind of discussed Kalinovsky’s motives.
            Or did he suddenly become a Belarusian man?
            Be prudent, write on the case.
  7. +2
    30 January 2013 12: 41
    Rebel flyer. Vilna, Day 18 (30) April 1863

    This proclamation was found in the wagon train of the rebel detachment of Narbut, dispersed on July 15, 1863 by the military in Pinsk Uyezd.
    Label translation: To ty, Popie, będziesz podobnie wisiał, jeżeli się nie poprawisz. !! “It is you, pop, that you will hang like that if you don't mend it.”
    Jeżeli ci jeszcze język swierzbię do szczekania w cerkwie chłopom bredniow, to go lepiej nakol szpilką !! - If your tongue is still scratching your tongue in the church to clap ravings, then better stick it with a hairpin !!
    A kruki będą się nasycać twoim Ciałem !!! - And the crows will be saturated with your body !!!
    Jakaż to haniebna smierć być musi ??? - Ah, what a shameful death it will be ???

    Taken from http://zjniec.livejournal.com

    And the rebels were not limited to threats alone. So on June 1, 1863, a rebel in the village of Velikaya Gat, Pinsky Uyezd, the psalmist Fedor Yuzefovich was hanged.

    And more about the support of the uprising by the Belarusian people:
    The Polish researcher Limanovsky, in his book Historya powstania polskiego, referring to the recollections of the participants in the uprising, writes that “Belarusian men persecuted and even mocked the participants in the uprising” (Limanowski Ludwik. Historya powstania polskiego. - Lwow, 1909. - S. 305) .
    1. 0
      30 January 2013 18: 11
      In bulk] "Belarusian men persecuted and even mocked the participants in the uprising"
      How could they their favorite gentry? I do not believe! On the contrary, the Belarusian men took their braids and went to defend their FREEDOM from the cursed inhabitants of Moscow. So the Russians imposed priests on them. But the Belarusians just wanted to go to churches to priests !!! And Kalinovsky is such a dude that all of Belarus just cries remembering him. Yeah, right in tears. Although I personally think this pshek is remembered mainly in Przeklandia !!! And I am proud that our guys DISCOVER this gentry bastard !!!
  8. +4
    30 January 2013 12: 53
    Poland has ALWAYS been the most treacherous state in relation to the Slav brothers. She is to blame for all the failures ONLY herself and no one else.
  9. +3
    30 January 2013 16: 24
    TWO KNIGHTS

    Krapulinski and Washlapski,
    Poland's proud sons
    fought bravely for freedom
    from the ruling Moscow.

    Fought bravely and beaten
    right to the Paris coast:
    more than death for the Fatherland
    life was dear to them!

    Like David and Jonathan
    as with Patroclus Achilles,
    kissed like everyone
    after the death of resurrected.

    The light has not seen heroes
    nobler and more honest
    two inseparable poles,
    Poland's proud sons

    that they made one bed
    in the little room alone
    that they lived soul to soul
    lice soul vying

    and believe me, they didn’t guess
    pennilessly going into the inn,
    which of them will pay for the table,
    because no one paid.

    To the songs of Henrietta’s laundresses
    it was not for them to get used to:
    in a month - two, on the third
    came in to wash,

    about belisha bothered
    Poland's proud sons:
    for two - a pair of shirts -
    and her trouble was!

    Somehow sitting by the fireplace,
    hearing the angry blizzard howl
    and wheels of night fiacre
    clatter on the pavement,

    draining a mug of punch
    and grabbing perhaps a little
    (he was, undoubtedly, undiluted,
    was not, therefore, sour)

    the Poles were sad
    sticking from mash sticky
    moisturized faces
    and said Krapulinski:

    “I had a cab here in Paris,
    all that cute in the house of the stepfather:
    my slafrock, a bear coat
    on a lap on a cat! ”

    Washlapski answered him:
    “Don’t be sad, honest nobleman,
    about the Fatherland, and about a fur coat,
    about the lining, about the cat.

    Even Poland has not disappeared!
    our wives will give birth
    our girls will give birth too
    and what other heroes

    like our hero pan Sobieski,
    like Szelmuvski and Uminski,
    Eshrokevich, Shubiyakski
    and the great Ezelinsky! ”
    Heinrich Heine, however. wrote a story. also, apparently, a winner.
  10. gtc5ydgs
    0
    30 January 2013 17: 51
    Have you heard the news? The Russian authorities are already insolent in the end. They made this database
    zipurl. ws / sngbaza where you can find information about any resident of Russia, Ukraine and other CIS countries. I was really very surprised that there were a lot of interesting things about me (addresses, phone numbers, even my photos of a different nature) - I wonder where they dug it up. In general, there are also good sides - this information can be deleted from the site.
    I advise you to hurry, you never know how to fumble there ...
  11. Vitmir
    0
    31 January 2013 15: 52
    Such pseudo-historians as E. Novik, the author of the unforgettable work "Participation of the Leninist Komsomol of Belarus in the struggle for the rise of public education", pour water on the mills of spiteful critics who have a bone in their throats - the existence of independent Belarus.
    E. Novik had the occupation power of the Russian Empire on the territory of Lithuania (now Belarus) in 1863, which generally prohibited the use of the names Lithuania and Belarus - "legal authorities", mln.
    First E.Novik from the 1960s. he falsified history for the sake of the Communist Party, now he is fulfilling new orders - what they say is falsified.

    And Nagaybak is that "purebred" hare (judging by his nickname) who does not even know the history of his capital Moscow? Exactly, he ...
    1. +1
      31 January 2013 16: 24
      To eat, ON uber alles. Why not Burn the Pospolita from Mozha to Mozha? "What, son, did your Poles help you?" Remember ancient Rome.
      1. Vitmir
        0
        31 January 2013 18: 06
        There are many Russian-speaking people who are still worried that Poland is no longer in their hands, that Belarus is a separate state, that Russia is already far from 1/6 of the land, etc.
        And they teach a special story, invented by the same imperial chauvinists, where the Poles are invaders (no difference between the Poles, Litvinians, Belarusians, Zhmudins, etc.), where the ON did not exist at all, and Muscovy is Russia, moaning under the perennial Tatar-Mongol yoke, and rightly the Third Rome, eprst.
        For such peppers, a clear indicator is the bestial hatred of Poland and the cries of "Belarus is the western edge of Russia."
        And, of course, pronounced anti-Semitism.
        1. +1
          31 January 2013 18: 27
          VitMir "For such peppers, a clear indicator is the animal hatred of Poland and the cries of" Belarus is the western edge of Russia "
          That’s where the bestial hatred of Russia is. Hehe ... how much do you pay psheks for your posts?
    2. 0
      31 January 2013 17: 34
      VitMir, and for the leaflet for which minus? What is she to blame?
      Or are there doubts about the authenticity?
      1. 0
        31 January 2013 18: 24
        Flooding
        VitMir, and for the leaflet for which minus? What is she to blame?
        Or are there doubts about the authenticity?
        A little bit of fun ... By the way, I’m not minus him.
    3. 0
      31 January 2013 18: 23
      VitMir "And Nagaybak is that" purebred "Russian (judging by his nickname) who does not even know the history of his capital, Moscow?"
      Bah ... are you Aryan? Is the Polish surzhik offended? Hehe ... And yet, what do you dislike about my nickname? Do you know the story? Hehe ... I doubt it. You are right in one thing - the Nagaybaki are not Russian, there is nothing to judge. He judges ... hehe ... But I respect these guys, at least for the fact that in 1830 they crushed pscheks. By the way, I’m not a bitch. And so far to me to purebred Litvin, which who only did not have! Belarusians do not get involved in their conclusions. And then call them unfinished Litvin and remade pshek.

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