Ukraine is part of Russia

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Ukraine is part of RussiaWe were together. We will be together. Because we are one people. An article by the permanent commentator of the resource nstarikov.ru, Evgenia Chernyshev, is dedicated to the 359 anniversary of the First Reunification of Ukraine and Russia.

First? Because the Second is bound to happen.

«Historical the people, until they put together all their parts, should be considered a political cripple, ”wrote our outstanding thinker Nikolai Yakovlevich Danilevsky in his work“ Russia and Europe ”. His words are most suited to our current situation. We are simply obliged to the roots to realize our Russian trinity, if we want to survive and increase as a people and regain our rightful place in world history. I want to devote my article to this.

We all came out of Ancient Russia, which existed until the middle of the XII century as a cultural whole. By the will of fate, by the middle of the XII century, Russia disintegrated into specific principalities, Kiev lost the right to be our capital - and the center of Russian statehood moved to the north-eastern principalities, which preserved it during the times of Tatar rule. The core of the Great Russian ethnos was formed on these lands. The territories of Western Russia, which fell under the influence of Poland and Lithuania, gave rise to new ethnic groups that emerged as peculiar marginal cultures of Orthodox Russia. Today these lands are called Belarus and Ukraine. But their original names are Belaya Rus and Malaya Rus. White - for the reason that she was released, whitewashed from paying tribute to the Horde. But I will pay the main attention below to Little Russia, especially considering its more and more important significance for the restoration of the united country. The troubles of Ukraine are largely due precisely to the fact that we have lost the Russian root in its very name.

The historical name of the inhabitants of Little Russia is the Maloruses, although in relation to other countries they were always just Russians, and the “Maloruses” were used only in academic circles for intra-Russian classification. This name, on which the dissenters are offended, is by no means humiliating, but only underlines the fact that the cradle of Ancient Russia was also located on the territory of modern Ukraine. Small Russia - this name can not be offensive to anyone who considers himself part of Holy Russia. (Do residents of the Krakow region insult that the rest of the Poles call their land Little Poland, emphasizing a tribute to one of the most important centers of Polish statehood?)

The name Little Russia appears for the first time at the beginning of the XIV century in the Byzantine chronicles and was established by the XVII century as a result of awareness of both the originality of the population living on these lands and the historical connection with Great Russia (small and great designate the vastness of the territory). The territories of modern Ukraine from the end of the 12th to the beginning of the 17th century developed 1) either under the weak influence of Russia Vladimirskaya (later Moscow) and less subordination to the Horde under conditions of relative freemen, 2) or were ruled by Russia, then Poland and Lithuania. The farther to the west, the influence of Russia was weaker, and Poland - stronger. Today it is clearly seen in the geopolitical orientation of the population.

Under these conditions, on the territory of modern central Ukraine, a special dialect is formed from the Old Russian language, which, on the one hand, was influenced by Polish, but on the other, it retained not only an organic connection with the Old Russian language, but also a large number of Old Slavonic words forgotten in modern Russian . The fact that this adverb (the Ukrainian language) is the flesh of the flesh is the closest relative of the Russian language is proved by the almost complete coincidence of the syntaxes. In this sense, the Ukrainian language is unique: having its own phonetics and vocabulary, it almost by 100% coincides in structure with Russian. But the syntax is the basis of the language. Is this not proof of the unity of our diversity? Start an electronic translation from Russian into Ukrainian - and you will only have minor editorial changes. Try to do the same with English - you get a set of rambling words. And it is not surprising, since the soul of the Russian and Ukrainian languages ​​is one. This is the soul of the Russian trinity!

It is quite natural that the first mention of Ukraine refers to 1187, i.e. by the time when these lands became a southern margin in relation to northeastern Russia. It is very important. Ukraine means the outskirts - the outskirts of Russia. In the Ipatiev Chronicle 1187, it is referred to as Oukraina, denoting Pereyaslavl Principality, bordering the Polovtsian lands. The Old Slavonic letter "ou", read as "yk", gives a clue that Outskirts become Ukraine. The use of "u" could come into use for two reasons: 1) from the phrase "at the edge", meaning border lands on the edges of the Russian land, i.e. on the outskirts; 2) due to the fact that the marginal lands sheltered Russia from the raids of foreigners. Therefore, there were a lot of Ukrainian lands in Russia, in particular, it mentioned campaigns "to Siberia and Astrakhan and to other distant Ukrainian cities" (Full. Co., The laws of the Russian Empire, 1830), and Peter I wrote in 1723. "Ukrainian service people from Sloboda Ukraine".

But due to the historical importance of the south-western Russian outlying lands, this territory was distinguished from all other Ukraine. The letter "d" changed over time to "and" - so Ukraine became Ukraine. This happened under the influence of the Poles, who shifted the emphasis on the Polish way, i.e. on the penultimate syllable. Ukraina is the Polish pronunciation of our land. In Russian, it is called Ukraine.

That is what happened in reality, I am going to prove with two arguments. The first one - in our everyday life we ​​use the words “Ukrainian” and “Ukrainian”. Is this an accident? No, the soul of the people keeps this secret - Ukraine is the outskirts of Holy Russia. The second argument is the confirmation of European languages. How to pronounce "Ukraine" in European languages? “Yukrein” - in English (Ukraine), “Yukren” - in French (Ukraine), “Ukranya” - in Spanish (Ucrania) and in Portuguese (Ucrnia), “Ukraine” - in German (Ukraine) , "Ukraine" - in Italian (Uсraina), i.e. the emphasis is everywhere on "a", of course, given the pronunciation. Let us object to anything, but is it not easier to assume the simplest: when this word came into use, the Europeans did not yet know what passions it would cause in the future, and therefore they began to pronounce it just as they had heard? "Yukreyn", "Yukren", "Ukranya", "Ukraine" - is there any more convincing evidence when the European languages ​​themselves still call our land Ukraine? Ukraine has always been the outskirts of Russia. That is how it was perceived in Europe.

And how is the word "Russia" written in the same European languages? Just like "Rus": Russia (English, Italian, port., Latin), Russie (Fr.), Rusia (Spanish), Russland (German). So, we observe the same type and completely unambiguous spelling and pronunciation. Since Russia began to be called Russia since the 16th century, having adopted the Greek name after the fall of Byzantium in 1453, the European languages ​​still keep our ancient name of Russia. The suggestion suggests itself that the Europeans perceived both these words - Russia, Ukraine exactly as they were at that time, meaning Russia and its main Ukraine.

There is one striking fact that convincingly proves that Ukraine has never had a Ukrainian state separate from the rest of Russia (the lands occupied by Poland and other countries are not counted). The fact is that in the Ukrainian language there is no word "citizen"! If you open the dictionary, then you can read there - "the bastard." But the word "bulk" means a community. That is, the hulk is just a member of the community.

There is one more convincing evidence of the youth of the Ukrainian (Little Russian) ethnos, growing out of all-Russian roots. In modern Ukrainian, Russian is called “Russian language”. Pay attention: not Russian, but Russian. Why? Obviously, because when Ukrainian was formed, Russia was already called Russia. Therefore, the Russian language was completely incorrectly called "Russian". Ukrainian language simply "does not remember" the name "Rus". From here we can conclude that it was formed after the XVI century, so that there can be no talk of any ancient break with the Russians. Let the Nazis dream of this; we know that the Ukrainian language as a Little Russian dialect (even VI Dal did not know any “Ukrainian language”, indicating that there are only dialects in Russia, with the exception of Little Russian and Belarusian dialects) originates only from the end of the XVIII century , and even more so as common speech. So the Ukrainian rumor became mobile.

The fact that mova is just a rumor, you speak, is justified very simply by the modern Ukrainian language itself. It is enough to open a dictionary: “Rozma” means colloquial speech, the verb “house” means “agree”, “mind” is translated as “condition” (i.e. agree on something). That is, everywhere mova means the same thing - conversation, speaking, lively speech, from which a completely unambiguous conclusion follows: Ukrainian mova is Ukrainian rumor by origin, lively Little Russian folk speech that has acquired the toponymic name of Ukrainian. I emphasize: the toponymic name, i.e. tied to the territory.

The colloquial nature of language is also clear from the fact that to this day there is no such thing as a technical Ukrainian language. All attempts to compose as many non-Russian words as possible only expose the frailty and insignificance of those people who fulfill the order for a "scientific" justification of our "non-Russianness."

As a matter of fact, the modern Russian is formed only in the XVIII century, because before the XVII century there was a single old Russian language. So the answer to the question why the Ukrainian syntax coincides with the Russian: it simply did not have time to change in a short time, especially since the influence of Poland from that time was already very limited (except for Galicia, which was part of Austria-Hungary, and it was in Russian language was almost driven out of use). But I am not talking about Galicia, but about Little Russia, which has strong ties with Great Russia. Therefore, the entire Ukrainian (Little Russian) language originality lies precisely in words, and not in syntax.

After all, what is the syntax? These are ways of combining words into phrases and sentences. But in Ukrainian they completely coincide with the Russian! The only difference is that certain syntactic units of the Russian language are absent in the Ukrainian (for example, verbalization), while there are no opposite examples. The seventh, vocative, case of the Ukrainian language, which is often indicated, was simply abolished in Russian. But even now it can be easily found in pre-revolutionary texts, for example, in the canonical translation of the Bible: Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, etc. The word "God" is none other than the vocative case. It is also contained in the "zero ending" (Wan, Sing, guys, etc.).

As for punctuation, i.e. punctuation marks, then in Ukrainian it is absolutely identical to Russian. If you ever have to write something in Ukrainian, do not even think about punctuation - feel free to follow the rules of the Russian language, and you will not be mistaken.

Are there not enough such examples to understand that Russian and Ukrainian are one language! The only difference is in words or pronunciation, but even in them most of the roots have a common Old Slavic origin. But this is not so important, for the soul of the language is one. This is the soul of the Russian trinity! And the people of Russia who have been to Ukraine admit that after a few days almost everyone in Ukrainian understands. The unity of diversity is our wealth!

“As it is impossible to divide the Holy Trinity, the Father and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, it is the One God, so Russia, Ukraine and Belarus cannot be divided. This is Holy Russia together. Know, remember and do not forget ”(Saint Lawrence of Chernigov).

It was! And so it will be!
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  1. +18
    24 January 2013 18: 03
    Ukraine is really part of Russia .. but Asia is part of Russia and the Baltic states, and even Finland .... The debate about whether Ukraine needs its own state is stupid .. It is there and we must reckon with it ... But to tear it apart Ukrainian politicians do this too, it’s impossible ... It hurts us and we don’t want this ...
    1. +13
      24 January 2013 18: 12
      There are no Ukrainian politicians. Those who are there are corrupt skins with a salary from the State Department, from this and all the problems with reunification. There, in Belarus, politics are normal, so we have long been a union state. And the State Department holds Ukraine tightly, they know that it will be bad for them when they reunite.
      1. +6
        24 January 2013 18: 15
        Quote: crazyrom
        Those who are there are corrupt skins with a salary from the State Department,
        If people pursue a policy that we don’t like, it doesn’t mean that they are not politicians .. Clinton won’t like it either, but she’s a politician ..
        The team of the Ukrainian president simply draws the line that he himself requires ..
        1. MG42
          +16
          24 January 2013 18: 37
          Quote: older
          The team of the Ukrainian president simply draws the line that he himself requires.

          Now the team is not pursuing a policy, but the Yanukovych family. They take everything into their own hands, there is a new redistribution of property. Prime Minister Azarov is purely technical, as was Fradkov Mikhail in the Russian Federation at one time. The oligarchs are now not respected by the family = squeeze their business. Also, the inhibition of joining the CU is caused by Yanukovych’s reluctance to share power. On Ukrainian TV, there is no advertising at all about joining the CU and rapprochement with the Russian Federation, except that with the advent of Yanyk there are more Russian TV shows, and not full dubbing on a mov as under Yushchenko now only captions, and Russian was legalized as the language of nat. minorities, like Romanian and Polish and Tatar, even though it is spoken by most Ukrainians, well, surzhik as a mixture is, Ukrainian. mov in the east and south is barely audible.
          Sitting in Ukraine I will say subjectively lately Ukrainian. politicians do everything to distance our countries.
          1. +1
            24 January 2013 18: 46
            Quote: MG42
            Not a team is pursuing politics now, but a family
            Well, we went through it .. Only then we talked not about nepotism, but about fraternity (St. Petersburg) .... One family will not be able to control such a huge country, which is Ukraine .. All the same, the largest European state after Russia ...
            1. MG42
              +7
              24 January 2013 18: 56
              So Yanukovych has sons, sons have friends, friends have their "childhood friends", etc. Local business overseers are everywhere. Well, you know about two trips of our guarantor.
          2. +18
            24 January 2013 19: 12
            Quote: MG42
            Sitting in Ukraine I will say subjectively lately Ukrainian. politicians do everything to distance our countries.


            The departure of Ukraine in independent swimming became possible only when weakening and to weaken Russia. Today, Russia is strengthening, which means it is impossible to keep Ukraine from falling into its orbit. So that they do not try to undertake comprador authorities and their Western mentors. the fate of Ukraine will be decided by Russia sooner or later it will happen. Is always fate of Ukraine was decided beyond its borders starting from Pereyaslav Rada only strong Russia able to keep Ukraine in its orbit. The so-called independence of 1917 was "conquered" when Emperor Nicholas II abdicated the throne. But if Nikolai Romanov had not abdicated the throne, would the Ukrainian Central Rada have been created ?! And the so-called Hetmanate would not have existed if the troops of the German Emperor Wilhelm had not occupied Ukraine and had not put their puppet Skoropadsky to rule Ukraine. Yes, and the current independence was "won" not by the efforts of the Ukrainian people, but by the efforts of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, who divided the power in Moscow, and at the same time divided the USSR. If the August 1991 coup was real. was not "pretend" and Gorbachev and Yeltsin incurred the deserved punishment. Ukraine would have remained with Russia without question, as would Belarus and Kazakhstan. The Baltics would have withdrawn anyway, the Caucasus and Central Asia 50-50 and Ukraine without question. And no one would have remembered about any kind of square, and Bandera's people would have quickly shut their mouths. There will be a strong Russia, and there will be Ukraine, we will not be torn apart one by one.
            1. +4
              24 January 2013 19: 21
              I especially liked it ---
              Quote: Ascetic
              fate of Ukraine will be decided by Russia sooner or later it will happen

              As expected, and quite significant that it never came across that the fate of Ukraine would be decided by the USA, EU, China, Handuras)))
              1. -3
                24 January 2013 19: 25
                Quote: Ascetic
                fate of Ukraine will be decided by Russia sooner or later it will happen

                But Ukrainians were asked about this?
                1. Eric
                  +3
                  25 January 2013 01: 58
                  Jewish machinations, divide and conquer? These are our blood relatives, we will understand without you! Sow confusion elsewhere! tongue
              2. +15
                24 January 2013 19: 26
                Quote: Kars
                As expected, and quite significant that it never came across that the fate of Ukraine would be decided by the USA, EU, China, Handuras)))


                There’s no arguing against the facts .. Not that country was called Honduras, perhaps soon Honduras will dictate terms to Ukraine)))
                And Rzeczpospolita already dictates through its original policy of banderization and planting the theory of the so-called Ukrainians turning the population into polished Euro-cholerae.

                And this is not only my opinion, here is an example from the comments on Pravdinform

                I'm under 40. My son is going to school this year. Will go to Ukrainian, Russian is very far away. Kiev.
                I’ve been trying for 10 years in conversations with relatives and friends, colleagues and just random people to convey the point of view that our roots are with Russians, we are Slavs of the same blood, the West is alien to us.
                Like me less and less.
                We cannot resist financial flows from the West, coordinated actions of professionals, a complete lack of support in the media and in the government.
                Think, brothers, Russians. Think. Time is running out. And money decides. Really decide whether they are thrice ...
                So he is. It is impossible to create even one batch in Ukraine - it is split into dozens of smaller ones.
                Our youth is degrading, education on the basis of national (Ukrainian) culture, language, literature, history, heroes are not able to create a modern, educated person, and only thanks to access to world culture have we not yet become “Chukchi or chock”.
                And the problem with the school, not only you, my daughter also understands a language that is alien to me better. Moreover, in any civilized state, in the presence of so many speakers of a particular language, it was already a state. But the crazy thesis is that we are in Ukraine, which means that only the Ukrainian language can be the state language, for some reason, almost everything is repeated !?
                1. -3
                  24 January 2013 19: 31
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  No arguing against facts

                  What are the facts?

                  The funny thing is that after your posts of this kind, Freedom will not even come up with anything.
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  Wrong country called Honduras

                  I think this is understandable only to Russian speakers
                  1. Avenger711
                    0
                    24 January 2013 20: 41
                    And such that Ukraine is the same part of Russia as the Urals, or the Volga region.
                    1. +1
                      24 January 2013 21: 09
                      Avenger711,
                      Let’s say so! hi
                    2. gladiatorakz
                      +13
                      24 January 2013 21: 49
                      Quote: Avenger711
                      Ukraine is the same part of Russia as the Urals or the Volga region.


                      Ukraine is part of Russia. But Russia is part of Russia, and not all of Russia. Do not confuse the concept ...
                2. -6
                  24 January 2013 19: 36
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  maybe soon Honduras will dictate the conditions to Ukraine)))
                  And Rzeczpospolita already dictates through its primordial policy of banderization and planting the theory of the so-called Ukraine transforming the population into polished Euro-choirs.

                  And this is not only my opinion

                  This is your opinion, as it is cruel to brothers.
                  1. +3
                    25 January 2013 01: 51
                    Quote: atalef
                    This is your opinion, as it is cruel to brothers

                    Well, you see the brothers are arguing, do not go into the provocateur.
                3. -5
                  24 January 2013 19: 49
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  And Rzeczpospolita already dictates through its primordial policy of banderization and planting the theory of the so-called Ukraine transforming the population into polished Euro-choirs

                  Yes of course.
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  Will go to Ukrainian, Russian is very far away. Kiev

                  Are there many Ukrainian schools in Russia?
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  We cannot resist the financial flows from the West, coordinated actions of professionals, the complete lack of support in the media and in the authorities

                  Standard - you always have to blame someone,
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  Our youth is degrading, education on the basis of national (Ukrainian) culture, language, literature, history, heroes are not able to create a modern, educated person

                  Can you protest the same statement if you change the Ukrainian into Russian? Your youth is white, does not drink fluffy vodka, reads Gogol
                  Quote: Ascetic
                  But the crazy thesis is that we are in Ukraine, which means that only the Ukrainian language can be the state language, for some reason, almost everything is repeated !?

                  And this shows that this is a setup, and he wrote one who is far from Ukrainian reality.
                  1. mazdie
                    +5
                    24 January 2013 22: 33
                    With such success, one can bite off a piece of any state and call it an independent state, and the most interesting thing is there are people who will sincerely support and justify it by finding thousands of arguments.
                  2. +9
                    24 January 2013 23: 25
                    Quote: Kars
                    Are there many Ukrainian schools in Russia?

                    Do many Ukrainians living in Russia want to have Ukrainian schools? Folklore circles - there are, and a lot. Moreover, they are visited with pleasure not only by Ukrainians.
                    1. -1
                      25 January 2013 00: 11
                      Quote: Egoza
                      Do many Ukrainians living in Russia want to have Ukrainian schools?

                      And they want to sense, if all the same there are no schools. Yes, they will also call Bandera))
                      1. +4
                        25 January 2013 00: 17
                        Was alone in Moscow, closed due to lack of students. Even the persuasion of compatriots by the Ukrainian embassy did not help.
                      2. +4
                        25 January 2013 00: 23
                        Quote: Kars
                        And what sense do they want if all the same there are no schools

                        Interesting! If in Kiev they want a Russian school or a Russian class - collect the signatures of the parents, apply for the RONO, buy the textbooks themselves .... Is this normal? Perhaps, in your opinion, yes. But in Russia, why should it be different? Let them get together, write statements .... they can and open, why not?
                        My friends just live near Moscow. She is the director of the gymnasium, and there are many Ukrainians there. And they sing songs and read literature, recite poems, even dance hopak, it's all in circles! But for the SCHOOL to be Ukrainian, parents don’t need to. Nobody wants it. So how can you open a school, recruit staff if no one wants to study?
                      3. 0
                        25 January 2013 00: 26
                        Quote: Egoza
                        gather, write statements .... can open, why not?

                        Thank you laugh.
                      4. +1
                        25 January 2013 00: 28
                        Why laugh, the Armenians did just that. And they have a school in Moscow.
                      5. 0
                        25 January 2013 00: 42
                        Quote: Spade
                        why laugh, the Armenians did just that. And they have a school in Moscow.

                        Glad for them, let them join the Russian Federation.
                        And if you start rabiratsa then the Armenians, Azerbaijanis initially do not know the Russian language.
                        And let’s say 300 Ukrainian families did everything that is necessary in Moscow --- they opened a school somewhere near the damn, and do we need to go somewhere far away in the morning? Yes, what for it is necessary. It's not like we have schools with Russian teaching if not more than with Ukrainian. (in the east and south) and territorially in each district a few. Here's how to leave one school for the million city, and then you will start to tell something.
                      6. +2
                        25 January 2013 01: 21
                        So in Kiev it is! 4 Russian schools out of 600 Ukrainian! Did you ask your parents? By the way, in the Ukrainian SSR the ratio was somewhere around 60% to 40%, and even then there was an eternal shortage of Ukrainian schools. Example: Rainbow massif, 2 new schools are opening - Russian and Ukrainian, respectively, almost nearby (one common stadium). Neighbors ride in the elevator and talk:
                        - You kudy your tanka?
                        - In Russia.
                        - Why?
                        “That one seemed lighter there!”
                        By the way, those who studied Ukrainian in Russian schools knew Ukrainian much better. Because the number of hours was almost the same, and the grammar was very similar, so the children learned almost the same rules twice. Hence the literacy, and the development of speech. Not that the current ones. - Two words cannot correctly be connected in any language.
                      7. 0
                        25 January 2013 01: 28
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                        The first link.
                        Quote: Egoza
                        By the way, those who studied Ukrainian in Russian schools knew Ukrainian much better

                        I’m from such a one))) will you check my literacy?
                      8. 0
                        25 January 2013 02: 00
                        Quote: Egoza
                        Not that the current ones. - Two words cannot correctly be connected in any language.

                        they don’t know how to read and write little. You look at how now the children hold fountain pens like claws, not hands.
                      9. 0
                        25 January 2013 08: 54
                        Quote: Ingvar
                        Have you asked them?


                        Quote: Kars
                        And they want to sense, if all the same there are no schools. Yes, they will also call Bandera))

                        If you do not know the essence of the issue, it is better not to sports. Right thing, it's funny to read your arguments.
            2. MG42
              +6
              24 January 2013 19: 26
              Good comment Ascetic with 2 hands "for". So Russia must increase its influence, how? I do not know the truth = with the help of Gazprom or Onishchenko? no results yet. Plus, the lease of the Black Sea Fleet base has just been extended until 2042, after this rapprochement of a special Yanukovych with the Russian Federation was not observed what So far, everything is limited to slogans.
            3. +1
              25 January 2013 12: 57
              Hmm ... great-power chauvinism is firmly entrenched in consciousness .... For starters, in Russia I would establish life (for the population, I mean) and there you will not have to look and persuade anyone, they themselves will ask to become a single family. And at present, in Russia, only guest workers and bureaucrats are well. Yes
            4. bach2007
              +1
              25 January 2013 16: 03
              Listen, how much you distorted the story.
              When the Principality of Kiev was one of the most cultured and educated in Europe (Kievan Rus), no one has ever heard of you before (the Principality of Moscow formed a little later).
              So read the story from objective sources.
              sorry for you rosiyan, completely run wild from the Kremlin propaganda.
              and here also undesirable komenty delete.
              to each his own, just don’t touch the neighbors, you yourself live like that.
          3. +3
            24 January 2013 21: 31
            MG42,
            No wonder the Poles at one time zealously carried out the polonization of Russian borders. So they survived - they separated Little Russia from Russia.
          4. maxon109
            0
            25 January 2013 13: 25
            Maybe you are right. Just got rid of one chvakolo another came. The people themselves must decide with whom to be.
        2. +4
          24 January 2013 18: 40
          Quote: older
          Clinton won’t like her either, but she’s a politician

          Clintonsha is not a politician, a mockery of politicians. Stupid, hysterical, deprived of manly attention woman.
        3. 0
          24 January 2013 18: 44
          Quote: older
          If people pursue policies that we don’t like, this does not mean that they are not politicians.
          And in my opinion there everyone drags a blanket over himself, absolutely not caring about the state ...
      2. +7
        24 January 2013 21: 48
        If the Slavs were not so fragmented and if there was less disagreement between their individual tribes, then no people in the world would be able to resist them. Al-masudi
        “The power of Russia can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear off, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia. To do this, you just need to find and nurture the traitors among the elite and, with their help, change the identity of one part of the great people to such an extent that they will hate everything Russian, hate their kind, without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time. ” OTTO VON BISMARK
        “If five hundred billion dollars of the Russian elite are kept in American banks, then you will decide whose elite it is, ours or yours.” Zbigniew Brzezinski
        EVERYTHING IS SAID TO US!
      3. +5
        24 January 2013 22: 19
        But are there any Russian politicians, in my opinion they are also with a salary from the State Department.
    2. +10
      24 January 2013 18: 22
      Good evening, Sergey hi
      On good - the article repeats much of what has been repeatedly discussed and proved on a large factual material on all conceivable discussion sites.
      Of course, the article deserves an absolute plus, but, taking into account the numerous facts of the interpretation of the issues raised in the same Independent, it becomes sad and sad from the human stupidity that rules the ball in Ukraine. They stubbornly do not want the Ukrainian elders to recognize the conscientious unity of our countries, and without stupid and boring preconditions, to step forward.
      The other day I came across an article in Ukrainian. Internet publication .... So there, very seriously wrinkling his forehead, Svidomo proved the exact opposite - Russia is part of Ukraine. And in the subtext, the territorial demands and claims against Russia ripening in this rugged forehead were clearly read ... That's it. And in general, recently in independent nationalism began to raise its head higher after the recent elections. It's sad ...
      It is noteworthy that these great-power attempts of the Ukrainian imperious imbeciles are very competently and Jesuitically fed by the Europeans. As soon as Ukraine, the charter, will begin to nod in agreement at Moscow's proposals, immediately from beyond the hillocks - assurances of all possible respect. And because these Svidomo dolbon are being conducted ...! Moreover, they are like a nightingale on the theme - "Ukraine is necessary for everyone!" Oh, mother dear ... When will they wiser?
      Here is the link for the article I mentioned

      http://warfiles.ru/show-22284-marsh-sobornosti-i-edinstva-ukrainstvo-hochet-prov


      esti-v-rossii.html

      Sincerely. Valery.


      PS The little boy frowned ... The mentioned article tells about what moods and arguments are given by Svidomites and I meant their foreheads.
      1. +4
        24 January 2013 18: 28
        Quote: esaul
        Oh, dear mother ... When will they grow wiser?
        Greetings Valery! I agree almost completely with the comment ... Alas, there is no one to grow wiser there ... If a few years ago Ukraine was much closer to Russia. Now society is becoming more and more radical ... The election results confirm this .... Here on this and nationalists play ....
        1. MG42
          +4
          24 January 2013 18: 40
          The Natsiks have a lot of screams, and there is no power only in the western regions, the problem is not there.
        2. Avenger711
          -2
          24 January 2013 20: 43
          It was not there. 300 years ago there sat the same local pans who would only steal more (Mazepa was a tin oligarch in general, by the way), but they didn’t check from Moscow. Only then the people were smarter and was very much even for hanging this whole bastard.
      2. +8
        24 January 2013 18: 34
        Quote: esaul
        It is noteworthy that these great-power attempts of Ukrainian power idiots are very competently Jesuit fed by Europeans

        Valera, welcome! Well, the unity of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus to the Geyropayts and Yusovtsy is a HUGE bone in the throat. therefore, they leave the woods, they say, while smoldering us calmer. Holy Russia is such a club for all this colorful audience ....
        1. +2
          24 January 2013 18: 39
          Quote: Tersky
          . Holy Russia is such a club for all this colorful audience ...
          So Putin is driving the creation of the EAC ... Let there be independent states, approximately like the EU, but we must live together ..
          1. Avenger711
            0
            24 January 2013 20: 45
            There can be no independent states, these are Uzbeks, or Tajiks can live on their own, receiving lule, if they create problems for us, and there can be only one Russian state.
        2. +1
          24 January 2013 18: 43
          hi Tersky,
          Quote: Tersky
          therefore, they leave the woods, they say while it smolders us calmer

          "Golden words ...! Golden words, Your Majesty ...!" drinks It seems to have sounded in "Ivan Vasilyevich changes his profession" ... good
        3. +1
          24 January 2013 18: 48
          Greetings to all! .. Unity is not the creation of a single state .. alas, in the near future it will not even be a dream .. I support unity as the creation of a federation or union of states like the EU ...
    3. +5
      24 January 2013 18: 42
      Hi Sergey ... Ukraine has always been either part of or in allies of Russia ... And now you can’t change this .. We have grown too close together ...
      1. +2
        24 January 2013 18: 48
        domokl,

        mincemeat cannot be rolled back alas ... h.ohol mne, like I am not his fellow countryman ... otherwise it is fraught with war, you cannot deprive people of the right to self-determination

        IT CAN BE CHANGED ONLY BY THE ENTRY OF RUSSIA IN UKRAINE, we have the right by the way ...
        1. 0
          25 January 2013 02: 11
          Quote: Civil
          mne

          "MNE" is in the Azerbaijani manner, and in Ukrainian it will be "MENI"
      2. s1н7т
        +1
        25 January 2013 09: 47
        Quote: domokl
        Too we have grown together ...

        Wrong! We are just one people. All my ancestors from Podolia - what am I, merged with them ?! laughing Or began to forget that Russia went from Kiev? Another who is more Russe - a question! laughing
        And let me remind you for those who are in the tank - Russians and Ukrainians were divorced according to nationalities only under the Union, until then we were all Russians. Little Russia, Belaya - this is something from the realm of fairy tales - there have never been such states. Probably, the principle of "divide and conquer" has played. Divide us as they want, and we, like a herd of sheep, assent.
    4. biglow
      +4
      24 January 2013 21: 22
      older,
      a return to unity is inevitable, not entirely in parts, there is no other way. In about 20 years it’s possible and the remnants of the Baltic states will want to return back. These are historical lands of Russia, it can temporarily lose these lands and then return it back. Now Russia is getting up off its knees and regaining what rightfully belongs to her
    5. zelenchenkov.petr1
      +1
      24 January 2013 21: 44
      Quote: older
      Ukraine is really part of Russia.

      Take off your blinders, gentlemen!
      The overwhelming majority of Ukrainians believe that Kievan Rus, Kievan Grand Duchy was, and Muscovy still vegetated in its wilderness, purposefully forgetting about Novgorod the Great! But, after all, it was so! And if so, then Muscovy was annexed to Russia, i.e. conquered, the Old Russian language was introduced, the tribes of the dense Muscovy dissolved in the Slavic people, assimilated! Subsequently, Ukraine was repeatedly joined by force to Muscovy, i.e. conquered.
      It follows that the Moscow principality is part of Russia; Ukraine is the foundation of Russia, Russia is part of Ukraine, Ukrainian is the language of Russia, and so on! So, gentlemen!
      But they completely forget about the feuds that destroyed Kievan Rus, i.e. the incapacity of the Kiev Grand Duchy, their repeated unsuccessful attempts to unite Kievan Rus!
      Moreover ... the names of Bogdan Khmelnitsky, Grand Duke Vladimir, Princess Olga and others .. are convicted of joining Russia, for the imposition of Orthodoxy !!! That's it, gentlemen !!!
      Ukraine is conditionally divided into western and eastern parts, i.e. pro-Western (Catholic) orientation and pro-Russian (Orthodox) orientation, respectively !!!
      Until Ukraine actually falls apart into the same parts about the unification of the fraternal peoples of Great Russia, there can be no question !!! Galicia was, is and will be pro-Western !!!
      And why ..... we need them with their problems like these, well, if you go back in and ... shake Russia before the collapse ..... into specific principalities ?!
      Success!
      1. +2
        24 January 2013 21: 58
        You can’t interpret the story as you want! What Muscovy in the days of Kievan Rus, what grass did you smoke? Sorry for being rude. You can’t bring the history of our peoples to the ravings of modern nationalists! For that matter, now there is a debate about the pre-Roman history of Russia, the Romanov chroniclers rewrote!
        1. s1н7т
          0
          25 January 2013 09: 55
          Quote: edeligor
          the pre-Roman history of Russia, the Romanov chroniclers rewrote!

          Well, almost it is.
        2. zelenchenkov.petr1
          0
          25 January 2013 11: 40
          I, son, smoke natural tobacco grown in my garden !!!
          However, dear lad, I will not answer you in kind, because I do not consider rudeness, insult or humiliation of an opponent as arguments! "Fool - yourself" - not my style!
          Quote: edeligor
          Sorry for being rude.

          No, I'm not sorry !!! I give alms on Sundays, and even then ... at the church.
          Quote: edeligor
          You can’t interpret the story as you want!

          I agree, but personally I do not do it! You didn’t notice the phrase “Ukrainians in the overwhelming majority think,” either from their absent-mindedness, or from useless rage.
          Quote: edeligor
          What is Muscovy during the time of Kievan Rus

          Indeed, Moscow, as a more or less significant settlement, appeared in the Principality of Voladimir in the 12th century, and the Principality of Moscow (in a humiliating form - Muscovy, but not my term) - even later!
          Quote: edeligor
          You can’t bring the history of our peoples to the ravings of modern nationalists!

          These nonsense, son, in one form or another have been all my life in (in) Ukraine! It’s just, son, that you taught life through newspapers and communist slogans.
          Quote: edeligor
          For that matter, disputes are coming

          Is it now ??? Yes, and what debate, son? Back in 1785, Lomonosov beat muzzles to the historians and academics of the German Empress Elizabeth Petrovna, daughters of the great Peter the 1st, for the distortion of the history (Norman theory) of Great Russia !!!
          Learn the story, son, teach and be, please, more circumspect and polite !!!!!! The word is not a sparrow!
          Good luck to you, lad, success !!!!
      2. Avenger711
        -2
        24 January 2013 22: 47
        We don't care what the "Ukrainians" think, we are only interested in the opinion of the Russians.
        1. +1
          25 January 2013 02: 17
          Quote: Avenger711
          We don't care what the "Ukrainians" think, we are only interested in the opinion of the Russians

          shikelgruber seems to miss you.
    6. 0
      25 January 2013 09: 02
      Asia is not part of Russia, it is a continent, not a state entity. The Baltic States and Finland are not part of Russia, people who speak other languages ​​that are foreign to Russian live there, they are parts of the Russian Empire.
      The essence of the gap between Russia and Ukraine is not administrative, the essence is that the Russophobic "elite" of Ukraine is whipping up anger and enmity in relations between peoples of the same root, maliciously distorting history.
      The "elite" wants to rule alone, selling the Ukrainian people to the West, as they sold them to Hitler.
  2. +10
    24 January 2013 18: 14
    What is there to argue about, Russians and Ukrainians are one, one GREAT PEOPLE! Sooner or later, we will still be together. Better early!
    1. +1
      24 January 2013 18: 18
      Quote: omsbon
      Russians and Ukrainians are one, one GREAT PEOPLE! Sooner or later, we will still be together. Better early!
      But Russians and Belarusians are not one great nation? Just for some reason no one is shouting about unification .. We can have our own states, but as part of unions, we can travel freely and speak freely ... And at the same time we live in different countries .. .
      1. Avenger711
        0
        24 January 2013 18: 33
        And with Belarusians and so the Union State.
        1. 0
          24 January 2013 18: 50
          Quote: Avenger711
          Belarusians and so the Union State.
          And what is the name of this state? And why is the president of Belarus independent of the Kremlin? We have united to solve certain problems, while maintaining independence ...
          1. Stamp
            +2
            25 January 2013 02: 10
            Quote: domokl
            And what is the name of this state?

            SRB - Union of Russia and Belarus.
            Within the framework of the Union State, the Border and Customs Committees, the Union State Commission for Hydrometeorology and Environmental Pollution Monitoring, the Tariff and Non-Tariff Regulation Commission under the Council of Ministers of the Union State, and the Broadcasting Organization of the Union State have been formed and are operating. These bodies consist of representatives of republican and federal government bodies of Belarus and Russia and periodically gather at their meetings, where issues of union building in the relevant sphere are considered and resolved.
            In other areas, work is carried out through joint boards of the ministries and departments of Belarus and Russia with the adoption of issues requiring decisions at the level of governments and heads of state, respectively, at meetings of the Council of Ministers and the Supreme State Council of the Union State.
            The supreme body of the Union State is the Supreme State Council. It consists of heads of state, heads of government, heads of the chambers of the parliaments of the participating states.
            The sessions of the Supreme State Council are attended by the President of the Council of Ministers, the Presidents of the Chambers of Parliament, the President of the Court of the Union State.
            The Chairperson of the Supreme State Council is one of the heads of the participating states based on rotation, unless otherwise agreed by the participating states.

            In 2010, due to significant complications in relations between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Belarus, disagreements between the heads of state, integration practically stopped.
            Until 2011, the project was quietly "dying" due to the difference in the strategic interests of both countries. However, a noticeable warming of relations between the countries in 2011 is gradually returning the idea of ​​the Union to its previous level. However, there is an opinion that Belarus is setting up a project mainly because of the difficult economic situation.
            The secretary was Borodin. How viable it is - the ambitions of the heads of state are their own.
      2. s1н7т
        0
        25 January 2013 09: 58
        Quote: older
        we live in different countries...

        Chuhna! We live in different states, alas. I hope this historical misunderstanding does not last long.
    2. +5
      24 January 2013 21: 09
      "Novgorod is a father, Kiev is a mother, Moscow is a heart, Petersburg is a head."
      The proverb is indicated in the book "Proverbs and Sayings of the Russian People" by V.I. Dahl (1853) (section - "Russia - homeland")
  3. Avenger711
    0
    24 January 2013 18: 35
    but Asia is also part of Russia and the Baltic states, and even Finland ....


    The Baltic states, yes, Finland, even as part of the Empire, was de facto independent. They joined Central Asia and the Caucasus because they cannot exist as independent states, and local tsars have always been a threat to Russia.
  4. StrateG
    +4
    24 January 2013 18: 39
    I do not want to provoke anyone into discussions, disputes, negativity, and the like, but it seems to me that this topic is already starting to become quite hackneyed. It is discussed too often, yes, but what about the purpose of this? To hammer in that we are siblings - Ukrainians and Russians? Yes brothers. I do not argue, but there is no result. All these are just words, until there is real action and results. You can talk as much as you like.
  5. 0
    24 January 2013 18: 42
    I will subscribe under each word. And please stop poisoning each other with yams, bulbashes and ami! We are all siblings of one country, Russia.
  6. +1
    24 January 2013 18: 43
    Here is another interesting article on this topic.
    The origin of Ukrainian separatism
    . Ulyanov Nikolay
    http://bookz.ru/authors/ul_anov-nikolai/ulianow_ukraina/page-19-ulianow_ukraina.
    html
    In general, imagine a picture: there is a man, and in front of him are three ways to a warm house. One way is a gorgeous autobahn, but that's only completely covered with ice, you can go along it, only it is painfully slippery, it will turn out somewhere along the road, and it is not known where it turns, whether it will bring you home. Nearby, a field covered with snow (somewhere knee-deep) leads it to the house, but it will be too far away. And one more road - also leads to the house, but it is not very beautiful in appearance, because it is sprinkled with stones, rammed, but although it is frozen, it is not slippery. And which road to take? Right! "Ukraine chooses its own unique path!" - as Yanukovych said in his last speech. Read - we wander straight across the field, sinking knee-deep in snow. But - THIRD WAY! It is not known whether we will get home, and indeed, whether we will get anywhere. So far, something like that.
    1. +3
      24 January 2013 19: 02
      Quote: Egoza
      - we wander straight across the field, drowning knee-deep in the snow

      Murphy's good old law

      The short cut is always mined
  7. 0
    24 January 2013 18: 46
    I will subscribe under each word. And please stop poisoning each other with yams, bulbashes and ami! We are all siblings of the same country. And we must have one country - Russia.
  8. +3
    24 January 2013 18: 47
    I will subscribe under each word. And please stop poisoning each other with masks, bulbs and ami! We are all siblings of one country, Russia.
    1. 0
      24 January 2013 19: 11
      Byordovvv1,
      I will subscribe under each word. And please stop poisoning each other with masks, bulbs and ami! We are all siblings of one country, Russia.
      Vyacheslav! Don’t be confused about this. I WOULD! And he was in the army, And in the institute in St. Petersburg too. And now I remain. And my best friends at that time are all BULBASHI and Believe to this day we are friends and communicate. And no one has ever been friends I was not offended by a friend.
  9. MG42
    +3
    24 January 2013 18: 49
    The Ukraine = EU summit will take place on February 25 in Brussels = >>>
    Ukraine considers the holding of this summit as an effective platform for the exchange of views at the highest political level in search of compromises. “We expect that the agreements reached as a result of the summit will allow us to get as close as possible to signing an association agreement with the EU,” the Foreign Ministry official said. He also said that next week the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the country Leonid Kozhara will visit Brussels, during which the preparation of the Ukraine-EU summit will be discussed.

    Ukraine in November this year plans to sign an association agreement with the EU, part of which is a regulation on a free trade zone.
    1. 0
      24 January 2013 19: 49
      I hope that after this the way to Russia will be ordered to Ukrainian goods.
      You made your choice :(
      1. MG42
        +8
        24 January 2013 19: 58
        Quote: gecko
        You made your choice :(

        Not we! and power alas, our current choice was made for us, although Yanukovych was elected on pro-Russian slogans, alas, I also voted for him, which I regret hi Although = the opposition is now trying to play a game around Tymoshenko, the EU does not like countries with political prisoners.
        Quote: gecko
        I hope that after this the way to Russia will be ordered to Ukrainian goods

        Naturally, if they sign an agreement with the EU, there can’t be any discussion of a vehicle, Putin has already spoken out on this score, and the 3 + 1 formula has long been rejected by Russia.
      2. +6
        24 January 2013 20: 08
        So far, Ukraine has banned the import of Belarusian dairy products! am
        Ukrainian oligarchs are afraid of Belarus, as well as Russia (if not more) Lukashenko is setting a painfully "bad" example! And the envy of Belarusians is utter.
    2. biglow
      +5
      25 January 2013 00: 28
      MG42,
      all the promises of the European Union and a penny are not worth it. Promising this does not mean getting married. There is an opinion that all these games of Europe and Ukraine are a bargaining of Europe and Russia for energy resources and zones of influence. Germany and France, relations with Russia are quite important, and the consequences of these secret games we still see.
      1. MG42
        +2
        25 January 2013 01: 48
        Quote: biglow
        Mg42,
        all the promises of the European Union and a penny are not worth it.

        I agree +. I noticed a pattern = Yanukovych after landing Tymoshenko was not in demand in the EU at all. they respect human rights, neither in the United States (although Yubama was tempted to remove all the enriched uranium from Ukraine, in return received a photo shoot as long as 10 minutes with him. tongue ))) And as soon as the real steps began towards the TS and the plane was already ready to fly to Moscow, they suddenly made him an offer from Brussels, he couldn’t refuse, and apparently it’s so calmer for his business. And he threw voters with his tongue especially.

        Quote: biglow
        bargaining of Europe and Russia for energy and zones of influence. Germany and France relations with Russia are quite important

        Well, it’s clear that Gazprom can affect Germany especially. Whose point of view in the EU will see will win.
      2. -1
        25 January 2013 02: 27
        Quote: biglow
        the consequences of these secret games we will see.

        Unfortunately, I’m right.
  10. Trust in you
    +2
    24 January 2013 18: 52
    http://censor.net.ua/forum/388343/drevnyaya_istoriya_ukrov_eksperimentalnyyi_uch

    ebnik - recently stumbled, laughed to tears. laughing For such "research" Ukrainian "historians" also received grants (when Yushchenko was President).
    Ukraine is part of Russia

    The article as a whole is not bad, but I wonder where the material for this work came from. wink
    1. MG42
      +1
      24 January 2013 20: 05
      On the resource "Censor No", the intellectual level of most commentators is below the plinth.
  11. 0
    24 January 2013 18: 56
    It is unfortunate that through foreign projects and financing of those who were nobody in the USSR, they united the united state of Russia (the era of the 1917 year) and the USSR (1990 - the year the adoption of the declaration of independence of the RSFSR).
    It is clear that Warsaw, Bucharest, Sofia and Helsinki (including the Baltic states) are far from a single state (the years of foreign agitation and propaganda have done their job), but in any case, a new ideology and new priorities and goals must be proposed for unification. Given the collapse of liberoids, the existing part of Russia could become a pole of attraction.
  12. +5
    24 January 2013 18: 58
    At the everyday level, we are not divided anyway. Many acquaintances from Ukraine. They themselves say that in Ukraine no one speaks Ukrainian in everyday life. It's only their politicians who are puffing up in front of the cameras. And the owl "crest", "b" is part of the folklore and there is no negative meaning in them. Of course we will unite, the question is when and in what form.
    1. Algor73
      +4
      24 January 2013 20: 51
      Firstly, the whole western and most of central Ukraine is open in Ukrainian. But the point is not in the language. Politicians in Ukraine artificially divide Ukrainians into Russian-speaking and Ukrainian-speaking. It’s easier to manipulate. Russia has nothing to do with it. But there will be no reunion in the near future - it is painful to live well as a king, no need to share.
      1. 0
        25 January 2013 09: 15
        Quote: Algor73
        But there will be no reunion in the near future - it is painful to live well as a king, no need to share.

        Once Russia was divided into principalities, and the princes fought with each other. Until the roasted cock pecked.
        It seems to me now the same era. But everything is developing in a spiral, and Russia will become a triune of scepter. Dialectics, Mlyn wink
  13. +5
    24 January 2013 19: 04
    The article is naturally a plus set.
    In essence, the article has nothing to say, and so much has been said. Who thinks like Nikolai Starikov in the article and believes that someday Russia, Ukraine and Belarus will sign a new union treaty in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. This article is close to that. Bandera and ukry will attack, suppress the article of the supporters of the Unity of Peoples, bark at all different ways.
    Lived N.V. Gogol, thought he was a Russian writer, wrote about the Russian people in the Little Russian provinces. And "myopic" did not notice that it was ukry.
    TG Shevchenko lived, wrote about his homeland and did not suspect that he was not Russian, but Ukrainian.
    The Zaporizhzhya Sich lived on Khortitsa, went hiking, the Orthodox Faith had and did not realize that it was not the Zaporizhzhya Cossacks, but the banal Ukrainian people.
    1. Avenger711
      -3
      24 January 2013 20: 46
      For 20+ years, ukrov had to prove that they were also plundered and exported all the lard. It's time to bring down the barrel.
    2. s1н7т
      -1
      25 January 2013 10: 04
      Quote: GOLUBENKO
      Zhil N.V. Gogol, he thought he was a Russian writer, wrote about Russian people in Little Russian provinces

      Precisely noticed, shopipets! +100500!
  14. Trust in you
    -4
    24 January 2013 19: 08
    Onni themselves say that in Ukraine no one speaks Ukrainian in everyday life

    Not in Ukraine, but in Ukraine. Okay, Khrushchev was illiterate.))
    So ... Sergey, in Ukraine a lot of young people began to speak their native language lately ... a lot. I didn’t go further than Kiev, but what is happening in western Ukraine? )) Keep silent about her.
    1. +3
      24 January 2013 20: 11
      Quote: Trust in you
      in Ukraine a lot of young people began to speak their native language lately ... a lot

      Are you sure at home? Or in a school imposed from kindergarten ...?
    2. +8
      24 January 2013 20: 14
      Quote: Trust in you
      Not in Ukraine, but in Ukraine. Okay, Khrushchev was illiterate.))
      And yet, in Ukraine! If you like it, then on outskirts Russia.
    3. Avenger711
      0
      24 January 2013 20: 50
      In general, you are just the same illiterate, according to the norms of the Russian language, only "in Ukraine" is correct. "In Ukraine" this is an unprecedented insolent attempt by the Svidomo bastards to interfere with the rules of the language, which they do not even recognize on the territory of their country. Until the 90s, "in Ukraine" it never entered anyone's head, and VS Chernomyrdin answered this quite correctly at one time: "Go to x **".
    4. +4
      24 January 2013 23: 28
      Trust in you. it has long been proven correct to speak in Ukraine. but if it’s convenient for you to say B, speak to health.
    5. Orthodox warrior
      +4
      25 January 2013 00: 07
      According to the rules of the Russian language it is written in Ukraine, and not in Ukraine. The literary norm cannot change overnight due to any political processes.
    6. biglow
      +2
      25 January 2013 00: 50
      Trust in you,
      Ukrainian is a rural dialect, you can speak it on the stand or in the field, but in the technical field there are not even any terms ...
  15. 1946095andrey
    +4
    24 January 2013 19: 09
    I am very glad to see such an article and comments, I am Russian with all my heart and for this I fought with the school desk, and the teacher of the bitch convinced Ukraine Nenko Shevchenko Old Man)) nonsense)))) at least my nat. Moldovan is also a citizen of Ukraine ..... but the fact that people were moving in ruins under the onslaught of the times of the border and the ruins of the Yeti Ukraine .... and the people here are so russo-tuned is horrible redneck stupid, they can only talk booze and curry. ..si! it's hard for me here !!!!
    1. +3
      24 January 2013 19: 59
      What clown do you live in Ukraine? Such as you, with your statements do more harm to Ukraine than the most arrogant Bandera!
    2. LAO
      LAO
      -8
      24 January 2013 20: 02
      You live in a bad place, friends with bad people. Leave !!!
    3. gladiatorakz
      0
      24 January 2013 21: 59
      Quote: 1946095andrey
      UTB horror cattle stupid, only for a booze and a smoke can they talk and pi ... si! it's hard for me here !!!!

      Well, this is your social circle! I learned to write well, badly, I don’t think yet.
    4. 0
      25 January 2013 02: 46
      Quote: 1946095andrey
      it's hard for me here !!!!

      hang on to Andrey, or come to us in Russia.
  16. - = ALEX = -
    -13
    24 January 2013 19: 21
    Why could only a Tatar be a Moscow Tsar?

    It is known that Ivan III (Ivan the Terrible’s grandfather), in a sign of his vassal position in front of the Crimean Khan, took the oath of allegiance to the Giraev house on the Bible, recognizing them as heirs of the Genghis Khan family. This oath was strictly observed until 1700, and Muscovy paid tribute to the Crimean Khanate, as its sovereign and master.

    The famous Russian historian S.M. Soloviev in the collection "Readings and Stories on Russian History", "the Turks were terribly exhausted (by 1700 by continuous wars) and made peace, ceded to Russia Azov with all sorts of old and new towns, already built by Peter; and the Crimean Khan had to refuse the tribute that Russia had been paying him until now under the specious name of commemoration or gifts "/ p. 502-503./

    Muscovy and under Ivan the Terrible, in the second half of the end of the XVI century, paid tribute to the Crimea, like the kings of the Golden Horde. But Russian imperial historians desperately ignore Moscow’s dependence on the Crimean Khanate, clearly refuting the very fact of Muscovy’s independent existence as a kingdom in the XNUMXth century.

    http://www.islamnews.ru/news-36521.html
    1. mazdie
      +6
      24 January 2013 22: 38
      Moscow paid a tribute, from Kiev it was stolen into slavery, and the west was Poland in general, and in principle there was no Ukraine.
    2. 0
      25 January 2013 02: 53
      Quote: - = ALEX = -
      Offline
      - = ALEX = - UA Yesterday, 1

      Oh, one more Ganduras citizen, and where do you get so many of you on the field?
      1. - = ALEX = -
        0
        25 January 2013 11: 20
        Oh, blah himself whose subject, like your kings ...

        Ayat of the Quran on Russian armor

        Helmet of Ivan the Terrible, stored in the Royal Museum in Stockholm. Allah is written in Arabic letters. MUHAMMAD.


        Yushman, owned by Tsar Mikhail Romanov.



        The Moscow Kremlin Museum houses the helmet of Alexander Nevsky with Arabic inscriptions. in the highlighted section of the 13th ayah of the 61st sura: "Help from Allah and imminent victory. Give the good news to the believers



        The ceremonial damask helmet of the Moscow tsars, which is called the "cap of Erichon", that is, the cap of Jericho made by the RUSSIAN MASTER Nikita Davydov. The phrase "wa bashiril mu'minin" - "And please the believers" is circled in red.
        This is a common expression from the Qur'an. Thus, one and the same GOLD NOGITA NIKITA Davydov was put on the Jericho hat as the Orthodox symbols - the royal crown with the eight-pointed Russian cross, and the Arabic expressions from the Koran! Moreover, RUSSIAN inscriptions on this RUSSIAN helmet are not at all. RUSSIAN master Nikita Davydov wrote on it ONLY IN ARABIC.




        Helmet of Prince Fyodor Ivanovich Mstislavsky.



        The museum of the Alexander Sloboda, the modern city of Alexandrov, in the Crucifixion church bell tower, exhibited armament RUSSIAN warrior.



        Photo of a mirror armor made for Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich in 1670 by RUSSIAN master Grigory Vyatkin, "one of the best gunsmiths of the second half of the century."



        http://www.azan.kz/islam/blog/id/169.html
        1. -1
          28 January 2013 07: 01
          Quote: - = ALEX = -
          Oh, blah himself whose subject, like your kings ...

          Ayat of the Quran on Russian armor

          Helmet of Ivan the Terrible, stored in the Royal Museum in Stockholm. Allah is written in Arabic letters. MUHAMMAD.


          What nonsense, because both our and your ancestors were subjects of all the kings you listed ...

          It’s just like in an anecdote, when siblings quarreling, one calls a fool to the other, and the second, snapping back, says: - your dad ... laughing
  17. Trust in you
    +1
    24 January 2013 19: 27
    .and the people here are so russobono tuned UT horror redneck stupid, only for booze and curvy they can talk and pi ... si! it's hard for me here !!!!

    Nonsense. Ukrainians are very efficient people. And they drink there differently than in Russia ... I don’t know in what circles you are talking there. smile Generally funny to read such posts. You, when you write this - do not generalize. Gamna (sorry) is enough in any country, in any nation. No need to confuse the games of politicians and the country itself. Until strong people come to power, strong-willed people will continue to live, and Ukraine will move further and further away from Russia, alas, this is a fact ... Although ... maybe this is Russia moving away from Ukraine. wink
    And this is only at hand, you yourself know whom.
    Without Ukraine, Russia ceases to be an empire. (c) and Belarus is the same. )))
  18. +11
    24 January 2013 19: 39
    We in Asia do not divide among ourselves into Ukrainians, Russians, Belarusians. We are all Russians here, the descendants of the Poles are also aware of ourselves, we cannot imagine ourselves without Russia.
    So it is with us.
  19. -4
    24 January 2013 19: 43
    Trust in you,

    Although ... maybe this is Russia moving away from Ukraine.

    Not only you have Anton such thoughts ... I think the same way. Putin has completely different goals and priorities. He says one thing and does something completely different. Business is first and foremost! And in my opinion, he has no great desire to unite fraternal peoples. It is a pity that so few ordinary people depend on us, ordinary people ..... Or they would have been together for a long time ...
    1. Stamp
      +4
      25 January 2013 01: 07
      Quote: morpex
      Although ... maybe this is Russia moving away from Ukraine. Not only you have Anton such thoughts ... I think the same way. Putin has completely different goals and priorities.

      This is called blaming from a sore head to a healthy one. Turn on Ukrainian television any political show and you will understand who is moving away from whom. There is anti-Russian propaganda.
      So what are Putin’s priorities and goals in relation to Ukraine?
  20. Trust in you
    0
    24 January 2013 20: 00
    morpex,
    Putin, first of all, is a pragmatist, and his pragmatism is not in the interests of our country ... The Belarusians managed to select the gas transmission system, but in Ukraine this scenario did not work ... So much for the gas prices. This is all of course very sad.
    1. +7
      24 January 2013 20: 24
      It works and develops for Belarusians, and in Ukraine, it turns into unnecessary scrap metal for anyone.
    2. Avenger711
      +1
      24 January 2013 21: 08
      Ukraine is already in fact without gas.
    3. Stamp
      +3
      25 January 2013 01: 10
      If they build the South Stream, then Ukraine will be left without money from transit.
    4. 0
      25 January 2013 03: 02
      Quote: Trust in you
      So much for gas prices. This is all of course very sad.

      Do you want to grow an industrial competitor with an incomprehensible political orientation with your own hands?
  21. +3
    24 January 2013 20: 30
    The article is a definite PLUS! I myself have repeatedly expressed myself in the same spirit. And here I want to pay attention to the following statement:
    The colloquial nature of language is also clear from the fact that to this day there is no such thing as a technical Ukrainian language. All attempts to compose as many non-Russian words as possible only expose the frailty and insignificance of those people who fulfill the order for a "scientific" justification of our "non-Russianness."
    In this regard, I would like to cite facts confirming these words. For example, we all know the blacksmith's friend now in the "Ukrainian" name - STRYPEZDIK ?! But "LIFT" turns out to be an "inter-surface drotochid" ?!
    This is information from the school, the employee’s child told her all this at home ...
    1. s1н7т
      -1
      25 January 2013 10: 10
      Quote: alexdol
      STRIPPER

      Laughing, shopper! laughing laughing laughing
    2. Algor73
      -1
      25 January 2013 12: 37
      And where did you grab such words? Have you made it yourself? The storyteller ... I live in Ukraine, and I have never heard such people. And anectodes can be composed indefinitely. And not only about Ukrainians
  22. 416sd
    +6
    24 January 2013 20: 36
    Everything is complicated.

    Here, on the one hand, in communicating with my brothers Ukrainians (and I treat this people very well), I noticed that the most inadequate are the extreme west, descendants of the OUN and Bandera. Actually, I often met on the forums, it's just impossible to communicate absolutely, completely inadequate in 90% of cases. Russian skins just relax on the sidelines.

    On the other hand, this kind of article can be very annoying. I am sure there are many normal Ukrainians who are both patriots and their people who love their country, and for their sovereignty, and for fraternal (not just normal, but fraternal) relations with the Russian Federation. “To say that“ Ukraine is a part of Rus ”can probably offend. Most likely it can offend. And it hits just the same on the positions of those people in Ukraine who are in favor of shifting to the Russian side.

    In my opinion, Ukraine is part of the RUSSIAN WORLD, there is a Russian spirit there, it is part of the Russian world-conceptual space. With all the consequences and conclusions for geopolitics.
  23. LAO
    LAO
    +3
    24 January 2013 20: 37
    And that everything is already good in Russia? That now only Ukraine needs to be "saved"?
    Place your order, and then look around.
    In Russia there is a "mess", in Ukraine the same thing, but with the connection there will be a "mess" in the square and we live badly not because we have become disconnected, but because the people and rulers (from the people) are lazy and thieves, bribe-takers and embezzlers, and connection (disconnection) is not used here!
    Let everyone clean up their home!
    Stop rinsing Ukraine. Anyone who has suggestions for improving the economy - state in the article - what is not, but it's a pity! They don't run from the good, but everyone escaped from the "good" union - the first countries of the social camp, and then the union itself exploded like an F1 grenade - on every die flag of the republic!
    1. Avenger711
      -1
      24 January 2013 21: 11
      In our it is much more. Even in Belarus it is much more.
    2. mazdie
      +1
      24 January 2013 22: 41
      It is necessary to save TOGETHER, in 80-90 ALL deceived us !!!
    3. +1
      24 January 2013 23: 50
      LAO You simply do not want to see that much has already been established in Russia and a lot of positive things are happening. I agree not everything is smooth but against the background of Ukraine, earth and sky. You have been repeating the mantra for 20 years that everything is bad in Russia. Wake up.
    4. 0
      25 January 2013 09: 36
      Quote: LAO
      Let everyone clean up their home!

      Together it’s easier to argue.
  24. Stamp
    0
    24 January 2013 20: 42
    Artificially create barriers between our border countries, customs are especially keen on who have relatives on both sides of the border. Even the time difference between Kiev and Moscow is already 2 hours! angry
  25. andsavichev2012
    +2
    24 January 2013 20: 42
    1. about inseparability. Part of the population of the so-called Ukraine is alien to us in spirit and faith. (west). Little Russia itself, especially Russia, is not needed. Toka Kiev, tama shrine. And Novorossia, of course, must be injected into Russia. This was a gift from the Bolsheviks to the Germans.
    2. About their so-called tongue. This is a rural dialect, southern Sudzhik, which, on German instructions, came up with vocabulary and grammar, and textbooks were printed in Germany, urgently.
    The left bank with Kiev, Odessa and, of course, the Crimea would be returned to Russia, and the rest tries. do not. Let them eat a cheap swill with bacon and drag themselves from their garrism. Europe needs them, there are no Tajiks, but the Turks are already stuck.
  26. Gans72
    -1
    24 January 2013 20: 53
    Actually, I have a very good attitude towards Russia, but I can’t endure when they will decide what to do for us. Put things in order, we’ll put things in our place, where to hurry? Is Russia bad without Ukraine? -No. We are also used to ourselves. Russia united with Belarus, Why didn't it unite? I am in the same way against Ukraine's joining the European Union. We are guaranteed a third of the population will be very "active" against uniting with Russia. And then what? Civil war? Or the disintegration of Ukraine into parts? ? You know what guys, a plague on both your houses. Go to your own business and do not meddle in the affairs of others, then people can reach out to you .. Maybe not everything is good here, but we have a WORLD. I am 40 years old and if the unification with Russia brings trouble to my country, then I will go against Russia. Just like against the European Union.
  27. Algor73
    +1
    24 January 2013 21: 03
    I try not to miss the publications of the Russian media regarding Ukraine, mainly online publications. The conclusion is pessimistic - Ukraine is represented almost as the enemy No. 1 of Russia (Read even the comments on this site - the Urkins are all bad and low-quality, and the Ukrainians are all traitors, loafers, etc.). This forms a negative opinion about Ukraine. But the boomerang law is in effect here - how negatively Russians express about Ukraine, so does the number of Urains who negatively relate to Russians. Especially youth born after or shortly before. Harassing each other only alienates us. If you do not change the attitude, the unification will not be quick, or it will not exist at all.
  28. uhjpysq1
    -2
    24 January 2013 21: 12
    brotherly people))))) well, well. Seriously, in its modern form, Ukraine Russia is not needed for nothing. invest in your economy while chasing Bandera.)))) there isn’t too much of it. Russia, even Crimea, is somehow nonsense. Tatars where to put? I must admit the Soviet generation is leaving, and with it the brotherly attitude. modern youth in cases of war will wet each other.
    1. garik404
      +1
      25 January 2013 01: 58
      uhjpysq1- "modern youth in the event of war will kill each other."
      ---------------------------------
      max, I'll tell you so. You should not rely on our and your youth in case of war, look at what they have become like. What and how they are taught at school, look at their upbringing, lifestyle, worldview - when it was so that the kids would throw packs from the roofs of houses, rummaging around the city from morning to night in a drunken alcohol and drug addiction.
  29. +2
    24 January 2013 21: 26
    older,
    Quote: older
    Ukraine is indeed a part of Russia .. but Asia is also part of Russia and the Baltic states, and even Finland .... The debate about whether Ukraine needs its own state is stupid .. It exists and this must be taken into account.

    Many, including myself, will not agree with you. Ukraine is the geographical name of part of the territory of Russia, and the state of Ukraine, an artificial entity, is essentially an anti-Russian project. So that the argument about the need for Ukraine to have its own state is akin to the argument about the need for the Siberian, Ural or Far Eastern republic IMHO.
  30. +7
    24 January 2013 21: 32
    Sometimes modern politicians need, apparently, to be interested in history ...
    1. +3
      24 January 2013 22: 09
      Bismarck it is! And I, dear ones, read the controversy and understood, if we unite, unfortunately, very soon! Even a generation has not passed, and the brains of the nationalists have fallen ... whether !!!! sad
  31. VikDok
    +3
    24 January 2013 22: 04
    atalef [/ The meaning of the article is correct. That's right. One nation was artificially divided by borders. The family of my great-grandmother in Stolypin times moved to Siberia from near Chernigov. So when I asked about my misunderstanding - did you move from Ukraine to Russia? She said that Chernihiv was not Ukrainian at all, the Bolsheviks called it "dovbannye" (so they said), and she was traveling from the heart of Russia to Siberia. I am Russian!
    Every year I go to Donbass to my grandfather and friends. They consider themselves Russian. Only now Russia is no longer believed. One comrade said - you, like a naughty puppy, put us out the door, we are now used to living like that, and you all drink with grief and yearn for us but you don’t call back.
  32. +7
    24 January 2013 22: 09
    Unfortunately, Ukraine today resembles a partisan detachment led by a provocateur.
  33. Gans72
    -7
    24 January 2013 22: 11
    Finland was a part of Russia. The Bolsheviks gave it independence on the shoulder of a gentleman. That’s where the Finns are united. Poland, too, was part of Russia before the revolution, you can also unite it.
    1. Avenger711
      +4
      24 January 2013 22: 38
      Finland was Swedish territory until 1826, or what year I do not remember exactly there. After being transferred to Russia, she acquired her own currency, her army, in short, a full-fledged independent state, the resettlement of which the Russians were not approved of. Russia, in general, didn’t smell of it, but they nourished it at the expense of Russia notably, as part of Sweden, the Finns were the same cattle as Little Russians in Poland.
      1. +1
        24 January 2013 23: 45
        Interesting tips, GANS72. Here, only, the Finns are not Slavs, and the Psheks are not Orthodox. The fact that you do not consider yourself Russian, "thanks" to Poland, she has always treated Russia as an envious and ambitious dwarf to a mighty giant ("He hated me since childhood, my his marvelous growth offended him ", about Chernomor in" Ruslan and Lyudmila "). We don't need Poland, this is not Russian land, there are no our roots there, let them hiss in their own language without Russia. Kiev, the historical capital of the Russian land, its Orthodox heart is another matter. From Kiev, Prince Vladimir baptized Rus, from him the Russian land expanded to the Pacific Ocean. Sometimes it feels like we were betrayed, slandered, this is how the Roman legions went to expand the borders for the glory of the empire, and they would have been told that you are not ours, and, indeed, Rome is, but there are no proud Romans in it, there are Italians. Russia will be strong, and it will be strong and rich, this will be the best argument for some to remember whether they are Russians.
        1. Gans72
          +1
          25 January 2013 00: 42
          What does Poland have to do with it? I got my education even under the Union, I win Poland in principle. (For whom the strength lies, I also lie under the so-called Bender Brotherhood) I also cannot stand it. It just infuriates me your Russian arrogance. It looks like nationalism very much. about 5 years, and before that I traveled every year and had to talk with Russians. I liked Vyatsky especially. They’ll pour over the collar xs where are the fowls and begin to beat ourselves in the chest. Yes, damn it, we’re all fingernail. Pay off for gas, х о х s smelly !!!. And this is said by adult men. 35-40 years old. It was more pleasant to me to communicate with guys from Tatarstan and Bashkiria. Even drunk, they behave with dignity. And this is only one of the episodes. As far as the Orthodox heart of Kiev then under the same sauce you can demand Jerusalem from Israel. Well, why not? After all, Jerusalem is a symbol of the Orthodox faith.
          1. 0
            25 January 2013 02: 06
            Quote: GANS72
            After all, Jerusalem is a symbol of the Orthodox faith.
            Well, rather, Constantinople, Russia has never forgotten about it, by the way, becoming the legal successor of Byzantine Orthodoxy. Drunken fools, GANS72, there is something to be offended everywhere. Most importantly, you yourself do not become this evil "Chernomor" in relation to Russia, Kiev is older than Moscow, we have common roots in history and culture, there is no one closer here, this is the main thing.
            1. Gans72
              +1
              25 January 2013 02: 28
              I’m trying to explain that I’m not against unification, if BOTH people want it. But this is not done as some people write here. And not now. And during the years of independence, both countries have broken so much firewood in their relations, what can we say about unification now -Only add fuel to the fire. As for my attitude to Russia, there is no negativity. I am Russian by nationality. But I was born, raised and live in Ukraine. This is my MOTHERLINE. Then my children grow up. And if some people suggested Russia decides to unite countries by force, then then excuse me, .........
        2. 0
          25 January 2013 14: 34
          When talking about the root of all Slavs in Ukraine, it is not Kiev, but Tripolitanian culture that is meant.
          Why do you believe a fictional western story when you have your own Ancient, Great.
    2. -1
      25 January 2013 03: 17
      Quote: GANS72
      Finland was part of Russia. Her Bolsheviks gave independence to the lordly shoulder.

      Read more, at least something, you little man O little brazovanny.
      1. Gans72
        0
        25 January 2013 14: 35
        I read your other komenty. All you do is "teach" the others. Well, how can we bast shoes, up to you enlightened. Just don't poke around. I won't herd pigs with you.
        1. 0
          25 January 2013 18: 18
          Quote: GANS72
          I did not pass pigs with you.

          You don’t even have enough education for pigs.
          1. Gans72
            0
            25 January 2013 22: 42
            You know better, it’s you who studied at the swineherd, not me. laughing
  34. Alexeyushka
    0
    24 January 2013 22: 14
    TEXT SCOPED from the site HOWEVER
    Some thoughts about Sevastopol, the restoration of the power of the Black Sea Fleet, the tasks and possibilities of Russia in this direction. I write as they say from my head, but about sore ......
    If Russia does not want to completely lose in the near future the remnants of its influence in the southern direction, including the Middle East and Transcaucasia, it is simply obliged, completely disregarding any costs and not with any possible difficulties, to begin to rapidly increase its military presence in the Black Sea There is no other way. A different path means the prospect of Turkey's hegemony, the growing activity of the Wakhabis and Salafis in the Crimean Tatar community, followed by the genocide of Russians in Crimea according to the "Syrian" scenario. Next, we get a kind of our own Kosovo in our underbelly, right next to Sochi and South Stream for a decade.
    Who else doubts this? Or do you think that in Crimea there are no processes similar to Dagestan or Tatar? Take off your rose-colored glasses! Young people from among the Crimean Tatars undergo the same "correct" training and "pumping" as the current "emirs" from the Caucasian "jamaats".
    The Ukrainian state today is an absolute, insane and hopeless bankrupt. Political, moral, historical, civilizational, financial ... whatever. It has neither a meaningful past, nor a probable future. Tyagniboks, Yatsenyuks and Rinaty Akhmetovs will never give up their rights to suck the juices from the half-eaten corpse of the Ukrainian economy, from the rights to extract dividends from political prostitution in favor of Russia's geopolitical enemies. Dot. This is simple and variable logic. And this, dear ones, is not my reasoning based on idle picking in the nose, this is the conclusion of highly respected specialists who wrote in the "Ukrainian" column of your Internet resource, and I have been reading it carefully for a year now.
    In view of the foregoing, the duty and obligation of Russia to begin preventive actions to protect its compatriots, to ensure security at its southern borders, to independently form geopolitical scenarios of the collapse of Ukraine in its current form. It is necessary to honestly and frankly tell yourself and the Russians in Ukraine that twenty years of criminal inaction of liberalism-compradorism in Russia and Ukraine put an end to even the illusory possibility of the full reintegration of Ukraine into the Russian state, and, in principle, simply into the orbit of Moscow’s influence. But those who were born and raised in the USSR, who are the keepers and bearers of Russian culture, a common historical past and Russian self-identification, are still alive, there is an opportunity to reverse the process of alienation and separation of the two Russian ethnic groups.
    How? And through systematic and organized, coordinated and generously funded work to destabilize and compromise the state authorities of Ukraine, through active propaganda with the help of the media, the need, and most importantly, Russia's political desire to connect with its historical areas.
    I will be even more primitive and simpler: buying government positions for any money by agents of influence, bribery of local officials, bribery and recruitment of employees of the SBU, the Ministry of Defense, the migration, customs service, the media. Given the current level of public consciousness in Ukraine, which is absolutely devoid of an internal moral core, this task is much cheaper than buying up shares and land. It is necessary to use and inflate any fact of infringement of the cultural, political and religious rights of Russians in Ukraine. It is necessary to form a wide and active "fifth column", to create camps for training street activists-organizers for holding "necessary" protest events. Collecting dirt on officials loyal to Kiev, activists "Svoboda" and "Byut", political behind-the-scenes bargaining with administrations of small and medium settlements, areas.
    1. Gans72
      -8
      24 January 2013 22: 22
      How will you buy the people? I just can’t understand one thing, Chechnya wasn’t enough for you? How can you not understand that they don’t go into someone else’s monastery with their charter.
      1. 0
        24 January 2013 23: 58
        GANS72 and you put your name grandfather SSovtsa nickname?
        1. Gans72
          0
          25 January 2013 00: 45
          And your nickname, is this your middle name?
      2. garik404
        +1
        25 January 2013 02: 09
        Regarding Chechnya, it was noted correctly, but there is only one big "BUT"
        Not far off are the days when we will have our own Chechnya in the Crimea.
        It’s no secret that the Turks are pumping the brains of young Tatars with religious radicalism. Huge financial flows are pouring into the Crimea by the Turks.

        PS
        ISLAM IN CRIMEA: currents and sects - http://context.crimea.ua/digest/islam_v_krimy:_techeniya_i_sekti.html
        Religious extremists from the Islamic Liberation Party (Hizb ut-Tahrir) were detained in Crimea.
        http://www.sobytiya.info/news/13/28732
    2. +2
      24 January 2013 22: 34
      Adekseyushka, you have a fat plus, what you published correctly. After all, under EBN, when the USSR was destroyed, three assholes decided for every thief in the republic to steal with impunity, which is now being done. Today I watched on television an interview with the governor Tuleyev, who runs Kuzbass socialistically and his statement about President Lukashenko as a wise and fair person. You are right. Our authorities do not need Ukraine and they are not doing anything to bring them closer, but they are waiting for Ukraine to crawl to them. Do not expect gentlemen foreigners. The current government in Kiev itself wants to rob its people and not share with the cursed ones.
    3. Avenger711
      -4
      24 January 2013 22: 41
      If 20 years of Russophobic propaganda can separate Ukraine from Russia, then a forceful solution to the issue and another 20 years of proper propaganda from ukronazism will not leave anything. What is characteristic, for some reason, ukry themselves prefer to rub in Runet and communicate with hated yams. Actually, it amazes me the most in Ukrainians, the complete inability to give birth to something of their own.
      1. Gans72
        -1
        24 January 2013 23: 16
        Forceful solution to the issue? Change the grass. fool
  35. +4
    24 January 2013 22: 16
    Elisavetgrad, Yekaterinoslav, Aleksandrovsk, Nikolaev - that is how some cities in Little Russia were called and are still called in Ukraine! For me, who was born in the former Yekaterinoslav (Dnepropetrovsk), there was never a question of Russia's existence as a state forming a ridge for the rest of the communal apartment called the USSR! But fulfilling the behests-divide and rule the Bolsheviks and divided the Great Country of Russia into different "outskirts" and other darkness, cockroach!
    Here and the louse declares itself that she is the navel of the earth and the Buddha himself began to live with it!
    Time will erase all the borders laid by venal and greedy rulers and one Orthodox people will again live with one breath and faith!
    1. Avenger711
      -2
      24 January 2013 22: 45
      The Bolsheviks did not divide anything, and Ukraine in the 17th separated without any participation. There were plenty of local separatist kings in the Empire.
      1. Gans72
        0
        24 January 2013 23: 23
        Indeed. One Ulyanov (Lenin) What is worth. Yes, and now in the Republic of Tatarstan, not everything is so smooth. Not? And about the Bolsheviks. Part of Ukraine, not the Bolsheviks gave the Germans?
  36. Alexeyushka
    0
    24 January 2013 22: 18
    Now about the Crimea and Sevastopol. No need to build illusions, nobody wants revolutions and war there! But nobody cares about the Ukrainian statehood, including the Crimean Tatars. The mentality has already changed. But besides the security officials, no one will lift a finger there, a confrontation between Russia and Ukraine over Crimea and Sevastopol will begin! I have already outlined what to do with the siloviki: to win over to our side by promises, bribery and blackmail. Those. By the favorite means of our "pale-faced brothers" as your guru and inspirer likes to say. Everything is simple, clear and extremely cynical.
    Now about dividends and not only moral ones. Thesis but in fact:
    - There is no alternative to basing the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation except Sevastopol. Crimea is not only a resort but also the key to the Black Sea. Any chief of staff of the small missile boat division will confirm this to you. (And Novorossiysk is, as it were, a mass grave for any fleet, it will be especially unpleasant to lose the boats newly built in St. Petersburg in the forest ..)
    -basing MRA and fighters near Simferopol solves the problem of gaining air supremacy, which means victory in any promising war in the territory from the Carpathians to the Caucasus ..
    -Krym is not only the base of the Navy but also the Resort. These are Yalta, Yevpatoriya, Koktebel and Ai-Petri.
    - Sevastopol is a Symbol. And the characters mean a lot. And while our symbol with you spits from Lviv by the granddaughters of Bandera and Shukhevych, our grandfathers rotate in the graves. You may not notice this by drumming the keys of your computers, but soon the earth will start to stand on end from their stirring.
    -with a successful combination of circumstances, the process will reach Nikolaev, Kherson and Odessa. The separatist sentiments there are very pronounced and are sometimes even more fierce than in the Crimea. And this is the largest sea gate and the largest shipbuilding capacity b. THE USSR.
  37. kukuruzo
    0
    24 January 2013 22: 30
    that's right, these are our brothers, the closest ... but, is it worth it to rejoin them to us ... after all, Russia now does not have the power and authority at all .. that was in Tsarist time and during the USSR .. our economy is miserable condition, and corruption, it has soaked everything for so much ... no, this country is not yet ready to become an Empire again
    1. Avenger711
      -2
      24 January 2013 22: 43
      Do you think a showdown with an ethnocratic gentry costs us nothing? How much money has already been thrown into the same pipelines? Controlling the region is always more profitable than dealing with local kings.
      1. Gans72
        -7
        24 January 2013 22: 48
        It’s just local kings who control Chechnya, it’s impossible to do without them. To control Ukraine? Hmm .... Russia has a lot of extra people? And what will happen to your demography?
        1. kukuruzo
          +2
          24 January 2013 23: 44
          stupid to think so ... we die out and you do not live
  38. Stavros-dok
    +4
    24 January 2013 23: 25
    “As it is impossible to divide the Holy Trinity, the Father and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, it is the One God, so Russia, Ukraine and Belarus cannot be divided. This is Holy Russia together. Know, remember and do not forget ”(Saint Lawrence of Chernigov).

    It was! And so it will be! Great words. drinks
  39. porevith
    -6
    24 January 2013 23: 54
    Yes, in Russia it’s just that the Slavs are becoming less and less, and so they want to join us. We have to wait 100 years and the fraternal Slavic people will not become, there will be only Chinese, Tajiks, etc. etc. And there will be no more such articles. wink
    1. Baboon
      +1
      25 January 2013 00: 26
      Have you taught history a lot? What is Ukraine do you even know?
    2. +1
      April 18 2013 22: 37
      porevith- and this .. slap from Ukraine?

      how else does the earth carry you
  40. porevith
    -1
    25 January 2013 00: 29
    you probably won’t believe it, but you taught. smile
  41. Warrawar
    -6
    25 January 2013 00: 37
    Why do you need this Ukraine? Ukraine is part of Galicia and not Russia - do not confuse sin with the Savior.
    1. +1
      25 January 2013 03: 22
      Quote: Warrawar
      Ukraine is part of Galicia and not Russia - do not confuse sin with the Savior.

      Study, study and study again. And then get stuck in men's disputes.
  42. porevith
    -1
    25 January 2013 00: 41
    YES??? and where did you read that ???? just wondering?
    1. Baboon
      +2
      25 January 2013 00: 55
      Busy at home. I’ll write now, Ukraine was but smaller than now. I'm not talking about the Crimea.
      1. Gans72
        -2
        25 January 2013 01: 34
        Ukraine was even larger. Part of the western regions, Comrade Stalin gave Poland (after the Second World War it was). By the way the Poles, they massacred the local population. Someone who didn’t have time to leave was late. Only for some reason all our presidents are silent about it like a fish about the table. About the Holodomor they scream wherever possible, but they are silent about it.
        1. Baboon
          +1
          25 January 2013 12: 49
          And what about the eastern regions? Before the Brett Peace, were all Ukrainian?
          1. - = ALEX = -
            0
            25 January 2013 13: 18
            Map of the United Ukrainian People's Republic after the 1919 Paris Peace Conference

            1. - = ALEX = -
              0
              25 January 2013 13: 20
              Then came the Bolsheviks
              1. -1
                25 January 2013 17: 51
                Then came the UKRAINIAN Bolsheviks and put things in order at home, threw the Judean central parliament, together with its support to the Germans.
            2. 0
              25 January 2013 14: 43
              This card is Western Wishlist, look at Chinese cards, they also want a lot of things.
            3. 0
              25 January 2013 17: 48
              What raking toad intended such borders? Isn't it bold?
              Divorced from banderlog cartographer-napoleonchik. But dreams and reality are two big differences.
          2. Gans72
            +1
            25 January 2013 13: 20
            Eastern? Well, and what eastern region was not Ukrainian?
            1. 0
              25 January 2013 18: 01
              There were no Ukrainian regions, did not exist in nature, for lack of independent state formation Ukraine until 1991.
              Russia can say about all its territories from what time and on what basis it owns them.
              Ukraine has only what Russia gave it, tearing itself away, along with the Russian population.
  43. Gans72
    0
    25 January 2013 01: 11
    I do not understand at all what kind of unification we can talk about. The population of Ukraine (more than 40 million) is spoken of as cattle. Whether this population wants to merge, or not, it does not matter. Russia has decided, it means it wants. Dear "brothers", Slavs, fellow believers. You will laugh, just do not cry. With such arrogance, Yes, and without it, too, you don’t need us. And nothing will work for you. Turn off the gas? Yes, please. We will live without gas. It will be hard, but we will live. We will survive. We can survive. What else can you scare? What’s all? Well and live happily. Put things in order in your house, raise the economy, the birth rate (China is always nearby). Raise the prestige of the country, fly to Mars if there is a hunt. Just don't teach others how to live. Have you got out of the swamp yourself?
    Sincerely.
    1. Baboon
      0
      25 January 2013 01: 28
      Well, write to the Gazprom website, I'm not Miller, Gazprom is not Russia but TNCs. I am ready to make the price of gas equal, listen to me? I'm not from Gazprom at all.

      You think surprised, but in Russia it’s cheaper to stretch the gas? Also ordinary citizens, something that does not sparkle with income, the problems are the same, let's make the price equal. oligarchs hear? And their names are all Abramovich. then abramavich. where to put emphasis? They are different.
    2. Baboon
      0
      25 January 2013 01: 43
      I live in Moscow near a summer residence. The gas pipeline was already 2 kilometers away, in order to provide our village from it. all gave 6000 cu friends also, gas only after 2000 extended. Do you think ordinary people in Russia are just sitting on gas for free? You also have to pay, then, you have a pipe there, we have in Russia for 2 km the whole village for 6000 cu gave away.
      1. Gans72
        0
        25 January 2013 01: 56
        The nuclear power plant was 30 km away (if in a straight line) and there were power outages (no light from 10 am to 5 pm) before 2000. Yes, the gas pipe (not the gas pipeline) is close, but connect only at your own expense. And to take permission to connect, you need pay a tariff + the same amount on your paw. And so everywhere. But there is a positive point. If you want to join the army, you also need to pay. People are more than the military enlistment office needs on a rosary. They would tell me this in the days of the Union, I would not believe .Although this year the appeal was canceled altogether
        1. Baboon
          0
          25 January 2013 02: 20
          Precisely, a gas pipe, for that gas is needed so that there are no interruptions in electricity. Well, they stopped drowning the whole furnace with wood, when we don’t care about the light)) we don’t press the oven anymore)) Yes, here in Russia, too, it’s not free, they really fight, our family saved up for this gas for almost two years. Also not easy. Well, I will not write about nuclear power plants. I don’t know, but what when the nuclear power plant is near interruptions? I realized which nuclear power plant, of course, is unpleasant. did the three blocks seem to work? I just apologize right away. I do not know.
          1. Gans72
            -1
            25 January 2013 12: 21
            No, not Chernobyl. Khmelnitsky NPP. 30 km to it in a straight line, but the tricky bureaucrats measured the distance along the highway, it turned out 35 km. Respectively we do not get into the 30 km zone and the tariffs are much higher. There was no more light before than there was now. There is no problem with anything. Gas, water , light, warmth, everything is there, only a problem. Prices as in Europe, incomes as in Africa. If you miss the payment of 1-2 months, full ass.
    3. 0
      25 January 2013 14: 47
      Dear, do not confuse warm with soft, arrogance and ignorance - a hallmark of State Department agents disguising themselves under the Russian flag.
      The swamp into which we all fell is the result of the division of the USSR.
      Cheap gas for Ukraine - it didn’t reach consumers, they fed the Ukrainian oligarchs, and who needs it? So that Russia could provide ordinary Ukrainians with cheap gas, he (Gazprom) must control the Ukrainian GTS.
      1. Gans72
        +2
        25 January 2013 16: 11
        Dear, I don’t need any Russian gas. It would be better to shut it off for a couple of years. It would be very difficult, I won’t argue. But then I would learn to live without your gas. Gazprom controls the gas transportation system of Belarus, and what is cheap gas in Belarus?
        1. 0
          25 January 2013 16: 26
          Firstly, my gas is not mine, I do not work in the oil and gas industry. Is gas in Belarus not at domestic prices?
          1. Gans72
            0
            25 January 2013 16: 43
            The price of gas for the Smolensk region is 99 dollars per 1000 cubic meters, for Belarus-165.6 dollars per 1000 cubic meters. And this is from 2013, before that it was even more expensive.
    4. 0
      25 January 2013 18: 49
      Do not understand do not go to the forum. Divorced you Russophobia Hitleroid.
      And then I was dispersed here about some gas. You might think Russia should supply Ukraine with free gas. There is enough gas for everyone, how much money, so much gas.
      The teacher was found, without you in Russia they do not know that the economy needs to be raised.
      And what relation does China have to Russia, this is a completely different country, a fool with its borders and problems.
      The prestige of Russia even without your parting words is quite high.
      And about the swamp you know better.
      1. Gans72
        0
        25 January 2013 22: 34
        Ukraine is also a completely different country. And it is not necessary to climb up to us with your "brotherly" embraces. As for the Hitleroids, it sips more from you. We do not teach anyone how to live, but we will not allow ourselves to be taught. But decide to try, what will be more expensive for you.
        1. -2
          25 January 2013 23: 06
          You, Hans, have completely gone off the roof. Who is climbing to whom with arms? This is 6 million Ukrainians working in Russia, and not vice versa. Ask any of them, at least one Russian showed hostility to them?
          My friends live in Ukraine, they are Ukrainians, but they are normal people, not zombie rams. They are outraged by the constant escalation of undereck executioners and bandits from the filthy damned OUN and their descendants, Russophobia and dirty slander against Russia.
          1. Gans72
            +1
            25 January 2013 23: 34
            Let’s not confuse work in Russia and integration with Russia. Suppose Ukrainians do not work for you, then Tajiks or Chinese will come in their place. About the good attitude of Russians towards Ukrainians, you better tell the cops from Kiev station. Yes and here on the forum I see this attitude. Zombie sheep are more likely you than us. Why are all Russians sure that Ukrainians are simply obliged to love Russia. And if they do not like Russia, then they are Bandera and Russophobes. There is no third option. Well, which of us is sick ?
  44. garik404
    +1
    25 January 2013 01: 45
    "Three sisters,,
    The annual meeting of Belarus, Russia and Ukraine in Senkovka.
    See you on June 30, 2013
  45. Eric
    -1
    25 January 2013 02: 16
    In general, do not give a shit! So tired of it, let the Little Russians eat up their "square clique", in the truest sense of the word! They scream for the time being!
    1. Baboon
      0
      25 January 2013 02: 29
      You are wrong, Explore the Bretian world.
  46. +4
    25 January 2013 02: 30
    Perhaps the Ukrainian people are tired of deceiving candidates in their campaign promises exploiting the idea of ​​rapprochement with Russia. Kuchma promised, the Russian wife shouted, they chose, for Russia, the fifth point, Yushchenko against Russia, as it was, Yanukovych in the elections for Russia, now like Kuchma. People cannot be deceived constantly.
    1. Gans72
      +1
      25 January 2013 02: 45
      Yanukovych was chosen simply because of the two evils, they choose the lesser. But no matter who becomes the future president of Ukraine, he will not unite with Russia. Why should he? He is the prident. He is No. 1, and he will unite and become No. 2, or 3, or he won’t do it at all. And Lukashenko acts according to the same principles. Some have nothing meaningful promises, nothing more. They fled for a year, but you’ll have to get together for a long time
  47. Arik20004
    +2
    25 January 2013 02: 33
    Good night to all forum participants!
    I looked at the comments on this article ...
    I think ... that everyone has a lot of mind ...
    The right mind is out of breath ...
    With a sense of dignity not distorted by modern knowledge ... is a problem ... and many ...
    Just sober ones should not be assimilated, or fall to the level of such opponents ...
    But I agree from a general argument with the thesis that you can live together only by love or on the basis of mutual respect ...
    Love ... is a spontaneous feeling ...
    Respect is a feeling developed ... To this I can add one that I personally have not met in a history textbook in modern Russia with a negative attitude to modern Ukraine ...
    Is there such an attitude towards Russia ...?
    1. Susanin
      +2
      25 January 2013 02: 47
      The bulk of the people of Ukraine cannot say anything bad about Russia. The country's leadership creates problems.
  48. Nonamed
    +3
    25 January 2013 02: 38
    It is quite interesting to observe the "Russians" who with such pride call the Russians living on the territory of Ukraine cattle, independent. However, most of all it delivers fun when the "Russians" threaten us, Russians, with approximately the following verbal diarrhea: "Let the Little Russians devour their" independent clique ", in the literal sense of the word! They shout for the time being, for the time being!"
  49. georg737577
    -2
    25 January 2013 02: 44
    Reading on this resource materials, thematically devoted to Ukrainian - Russian relations (and comments to them), I cannot help but be surprised; an incessant stream of hatred and accusations falls on Ukraine and its inhabitants, the essence of which can be summarized as follows - the very existence of Ukraine as an independent state is almost an insult to Russia ... I do not understand this position. The Russian Empire and the USSR could afford imperial ambitions, but not just the COUNTRY Russia in its current state. And if someone wants Ukraine and other countries that were once part of the USSR to look at Russia not just as a neighbor, but as a "Big Brother", then first this "brother" should get rid of incestuous tendencies towards to the neighbors. And it is not for Russia to decide what language and history will be in Ukraine. Note that the issue of reunification with Ukraine is mainly concerned with Russia, because the creation of a new empire without the participation of Ukraine and Belarus is impossible, since (let's be frank) without Belarus and Ukraine Russia is Asia ...
    1. Warrawar
      +3
      25 January 2013 02: 59
      Quote: georg737577
      Reading on this resource materials thematically devoted to Ukrainian-Russian relations (and comments on them) I cannot but be surprised; a constant stream of hatred and accusations falls upon Ukraine and its inhabitants

      You'd better read what "streams of hatred and accusations" Ukrainians write about Russians on other resources.
      For an experiment, find on YouTube any video even remotely related to Russia or Ukraine, and read ...

      Quote: georg737577
      Note that the issue of reunification with Ukraine is mainly of concern to Russia, because the creation of a new empire without the participation of Ukraine and Belarus is impossible, because (we will say frankly) without Belarus and Ukraine, Russia is Asia ...

      Asia, if beyond the Ural Range, the main population of Russia is in the European part.
      And in Siberia, although it is Asia in a geographical sense, mostly ethnic Russians live. And cities there will be better than some "European" ones.
      And do not overestimate the importance of Ukraine ... it has practically no effect on anything.
      1. Warrawar
        +2
        25 January 2013 03: 03
        By the way, it is worth starting to wonder where this Asia is ... Behind the Ural ridge in Russia or in Europe itself, where "Shiriat" patrols walk the streets (greetings from London).
      2. Eric
        +2
        25 January 2013 04: 57
        Not practically, but does not affect absolutely anything. And anyway, I just thought. We are inoculated with a complex, they say, without Ukraine and Belarus, you are nobody! Of course I have feelings for Ukraine, my relatives are there. But, first, we are inoculated with the complex described above, and then Mother Russia rushes after Ukraine, like a guy after a girl, and Ukraine "knows" its worth and does not "give" it, while taking flowers.

        Want to defeat the enemy, teach his children.
      3. 0
        25 January 2013 12: 04
        totally agree +++++++
      4. +1
        25 January 2013 14: 57
        Here you are wrong, there are macroeconomic laws of 200 million more than 140 million (200 million - Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Belarus). What a country with 140 million people cannot afford is completely within the power of a country with 200 million people.
    2. Eric
      +1
      25 January 2013 04: 54
      :) My minus to you. We read world history, remember that small countries are doomed to be ala "prostitutes" in one way or another. No offense. Further, we saw enough of the younger brothers, they are called Chinese. Because your words about independent Ukraine and Belarus are nonsense. They will not be under Russia, they will be under others. And at the expense of Asia, sorry, but the Russian Federation has the European part of the country. Yes, and I do not need to be a European, I have my own Russia, my city and my own land. Why should I look somewhere?
  50. Nonamed
    +2
    25 January 2013 02: 50
    "A country is a territory that has certain national, climatic, cultural, historical or political boundaries."

    "Federation is a form of government in which parts of a federal state are state entities that have a legally defined political independence."

    In my opinion, your "not COUNTRY" is inappropriate, the country is just as well as it could !! Because all the same, in my opinion, the federation sounds more depressing than the country.
  51. Arik20004
    +4
    25 January 2013 02: 51
    Dear nonamed... Let me clarify... Why do you divide people into Russians and “Russians”... Why do you divide them into different subcultures... What is your purpose in a comment indicating such a convention...?
  52. Avenger711
    +1
    25 January 2013 03: 01
    And residents of Russia who have been to Ukraine admit that after just a few days they understand almost everything in Ukrainian. Unity in diversity is our wealth!


    This issue deserves special mention, I do not understand the official Ukrainian language, but I understand any texts in Ukrainian from Soviet times and almost any colloquial speech. Simply because the local Little Russian dialect, which is actually used in Ukraine, and the official language are two big differences. In Ukraine there is actually trilingualism, while the official artificial language is actually dead. The situation must be unique; there is hardly another country in the world in which no one speaks the only official language.
  53. Nonamed
    +4
    25 January 2013 03: 13
    Arik20004, what else is this for? To definitely determine the minus, should I poke in the future or the plus? I'm looking at fashion labels here. wink
    I won’t explain the goal - I’ll describe the sequence of my thoughts.
    1. I saw the article, read it and liked it.
    2. Read the comments. When I, living by the will of fate in Ukraine, being a citizen of this state, Russian by nationality, see how some rednecks call the population of Ukraine (that is, me as well, by default) Little Russians, Ami, Independents and others (in principle, not offensive when you know their original meaning) words, with a huge amount of pride for the fact that he himself accidentally lives in the Russian Federation, and at the same time threatens with the “forceful annexation of territories”, then it immediately becomes clear to me how Russian he is, Vissarionich also shot such people, yes apparently not all of them.. The problem is that there are not so many Russians in Russia, some are still “under-Russian”, not well-educated, although this is a problem for the entire people. We don’t want to study, we don’t want to be literate - we want to immediately be the strongest and for everyone to respect us... Because we are Russian.
    Russian is not a citizenship in the first place. Russian is blood, it is spirit and it is pure mind.
  54. Arik20004
    +3
    25 January 2013 03: 22
    Question to georg737577...
    Why do you think that modern Russia cannot have imperial ambitions? Yes, the bear has not yet recovered and gained strength... In relation to this reasoning of mine... I hope that he is concentrating...
    In my opinion, which does not require dissemination as the ultimate truth, the USSR essentially did not include any countries... The USSR included almost the entire territory of the Russian Empire, shaken by centrifugal forces...
    I don’t want to comment on your intimate thoughts... Not worth attention... and there is no understanding...
    If we take into account mutual relations of respect..., then I fully agree with you that the issue of language... is an internal matter of your state... But I consider it justified for Russia to protect the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine in this matter... because, unfortunately, this issue was not always resolved taking into account the opinions of your fellow citizens...
    My personal opinion is that Russia, as they say... through hardships to the stars, will be able to support its imperial ambitions with real content, in principle and without reunification, at least with Ukraine... For me, the main thing is that you manage to achieve not survival (I know firsthand... relatives live in your state), but a decent life...
    Modern Russia, in my opinion, is a world that has absorbed both Europe and Asia with all the pros and cons... But let me clarify... modern Ukraine and Belarus... - is this Europe?
    1. Gans72
      0
      25 January 2013 12: 13
      You would better protect the Russian-speaking population in the Baltic republics.
      1. Arik20004
        0
        25 January 2013 22: 23
        Good evening, dear GANS72!
        Now we are talking about the relationship between Russia and Ukraine....
        There is no talk about the Baltic countries and the situation of the Russian-speaking population in them. Why are you trying to move on to a different topic of conversation? I ask you... if we are having a conversation on a certain topic, then let's discuss this topic.... find problems and try, at least on the forum, to find ways to overcome the problems facing us...
        I would say that your comment is inappropriate...
        At the same time, I completely agree that even within the framework of a certain topic, you have every right to inquire about another situation of a similar nature, but such a question is posed in a slightly different way... And not according to the principle of children talking in kindergarten in junior group... By the way, in previous comments you really didn’t like it when someone lectured you... What should you do...? How should you do it? and the like... So, take my word for it, I think we in Russia will be able to decide for ourselves what to do and what priorities to put at the top... At the same time, if you want to help us with something or give us practical advice... ., please, but do it in a dignified manner, first of all for yourself...
  55. Arik20004
    +1
    25 January 2013 03: 57
    Dear nonamed...!
    I’ll speak for myself... Labels don’t interest me... Opinion is important to me, if it’s of course an opinion, and not...
    It’s sad, but you never responded to my appeal to you for clarification of your position... but this is your right...
    I’ll try to briefly convey my point... through the prism of the sequence of your thoughts...
    You are at the same time “screaming” about the cultural level of many forum participants who, by chance or not, live in Russia, but at the same time you are talking about their “under-Russianness”... I think that this will not cause anger on their part only...
    They are Russian, many even have different ethnic roots, but if they consider themselves Russian... They are Russian...
    I support you that Russian is a state of mind...
    It’s just that this state can be different... with all the positive and negative sides...
    Right, we have problems with the cultural layer and self-esteem... This problem is now clearly expressed... But personally, I don’t think that the solution to this problem is classifying these people as “non-Russian”... It might be better to take a different approach to solving this problem... this is “pulling” such people to a higher level... And this is where you shouldn’t rely only on state institutions, but first of all on yourself... But this is exactly what I, to my deep regret , I don't even see...
  56. Arik20004
    0
    25 January 2013 04: 14
    To georg737577...
    In my first address to you, I forgot to indicate my position on history... Neither modern Russia nor modern Ukraine can decide what history will be... History is created by people from the present (mostly from the thoughtless and eccentric), and then it becomes history once and for all... This is the kind of history you need to know... and not its different interpretations... I agree in advance that due to the fact that everyone conveys history with their own vision..., but... the main thing so that it doesn’t involve elementary mistakes and man-made excesses... with the help of which people become a “crowd”...
  57. fenix57
    +1
    25 January 2013 05: 34
    Quote: Susanin
    The country's leadership is creating problems.

    The Ukrainian leadership and nationalists, but: hi
  58. +3
    25 January 2013 08: 18
    It's all sad. The cradle of Russian civilization also became its gravedigger.
    The Anglo-Saxons unfortunately won, if they are closer to the Ukrainians than their Slavic brothers, what can I say.
  59. Nonamed
    +2
    25 January 2013 10: 06
    Imagine a picture:
    A man's hand was cut off, and he spits on it and boasts, “So what can you do without me now?!! Nothing. And I also have a second allied hand and 2 more legs.”
    So, anyone who speaks out in any negative way about Ukraine, saying “you’ll crawl on your knees” or “well, walk with your independence,” is essentially as narrow-minded as the scarecrow I described above.
    A people is an organism, people are the cells of this organism.
  60. uhjpysq1
    0
    25 January 2013 10: 07
    brothers Slavs))))) Bulgarians are also not strangers, but no one is killed for them. Ukraine, cut off slice, it's time to admit it. don't want to don't need to. we can live without them.))) a woman with a cart is easier for a mare)))))
  61. Nonamed
    +2
    25 January 2013 10: 46
    uhjpysq1,
    Well, here is a striking example of a stuffed animal, we didn’t have to wait long)) fool
    1. 0
      25 January 2013 11: 49
      I don’t understand something, then you don’t like that you are being forcibly annexed, then you don’t like that we will live without you, you decide, Russian-Ukrainian brothers
  62. +1
    25 January 2013 11: 55
    although it would not be bad to create a Slavic Orthodox union, including the territories of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria, and the former Yugoslavia, with an Orthodox Serbian population. Maybe this is something worth striving for?
    1. +2
      25 January 2013 15: 06
      This is a mistake, you need to create a non-Orthodox one - this will leave the Catholic Slavs behind; a non-Slavic one - this will leave the non-Slavs (Turks, Finns, Romans, Mongoloids) behind. We need to build the Eurasian Union.
      1. 0
        25 January 2013 20: 13
        you're right!!!
      2. +1
        25 January 2013 22: 58
        Totally agree.
        During the Soviet era, I had the opportunity to work in Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan, where there were many literate and intelligent people who were not infected with religious prejudices. My childhood friends Tatars and Udmurts from the Kirov region are absolutely no different from Russians. One of them is a retired strategic aviation colonel, the second is a missile designer.
        Is it worth alienating millions of talented, hardworking people for the sake of religious intoxication and national prejudices?
      3. 0
        26 January 2013 20: 01
        although the Catholic Slavs really don’t like the Orthodox Slavs, remember the Serbs and Croats!!!
  63. Eric
    +1
    25 January 2013 16: 50
    lol It was funny to read about armor with Arabic script!
    1. +1
      26 January 2013 17: 31
      It's funny to be ignorant. The armor of the Emperor of the Great Roman Empire of the German Nation is decorated with Arabic script! Western historians do not deny this, but “Baba Yaga is against it.” It's public and common knowledge
      1. -2
        26 January 2013 21: 07
        Each Marfushka has her own toys.
        Maybe in the 13-16th century it was fashionable to have armor decorated with Arabic script, like in the 20th century jeans from Levi Strauss and suits from Cardin.
  64. +2
    26 January 2013 01: 23
    The article is suitable exclusively for domestic Russian use. There is a lie in every paragraph; Ukrainians have not fallen for such bullshit for a long time.
    1. Arik20004
      +1
      26 January 2013 10: 10
      Good afternoon, artem772!
      A different opinion is not, as you put it, “Bullshit”...
      No respect for other opinions... this is just an indicator, but first of all for you... And you need to declare responsibly only for yourself or if you represent any part of the people... Sorry, but I am dominated by a large amount of skepticism what YOU can declare on behalf of all citizens of Ukraine...
      1. Gans72
        +2
        26 January 2013 12: 00
        A citizen of Ukraine cannot speak for all citizens of Ukraine. But can citizens of Russia, for citizens of Ukraine, speak and decide? Oh well. Interesting logic, let's see what happens next.
    2. -1
      26 January 2013 21: 10
      Ukrainians are falling for another bullshit. That's the way it should be.
      1. Gans72
        0
        26 January 2013 23: 35
        Asians, go to the stall!!!
  65. Gans72
    0
    26 January 2013 23: 46
    In general, it would be great if Ukraine and Belarus united. They would call this unification Kievan Rus, and the Muscovites and other Mongols, on the side. There were damn brothers. The Tambov wolf is your brother, the Nazis are undead.
  66. enot555
    +1
    31 January 2013 18: 01
    The Slavs are obliged to stick together, otherwise they will break everyone one by one. and those who think that America and NATO will give democracy, freedom and paradise, let them look at what NATO and America gave to Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Libya, Syria, Egypt.
  67. 0
    April 18 2013 22: 40
    Quote: crazyrom
    There are no Ukrainian politicians. Those who are there are corrupt skins with salaries from the State Department, and this is why all the problems with reunification.


    Bloodsuckers
  68. koletzz
    0
    9 January 2014 00: 05
    Artem772 greetings, if you live longer you will understand more! everything has already been said for you!!! HISTORY.