“The threat no longer comes from pirates”: European NATO countries are reluctant to send warships to the Red Sea

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“The threat no longer comes from pirates”: European NATO countries are reluctant to send warships to the Red Sea

Currently, the naval coalition intended for operations in the Red Sea includes 11 countries. At first glance, this list looks representative, but many European NATO states have limited themselves to sending only personnel to Bahrain; others remained completely aloof from what was happening.

Of the European countries, Britain has allocated its ships for the operation; Greece and Italy are sending frigates each.



Now that the threat comes not from pirates, but from drones, winged weapons or even anti-ship ballistic missiles, in fleets We are actively looking for ships with serious air defense capabilities

- stated in the Dutch publication Marineschepen.

As noted, it turned out that in Europe there are relatively few ships with modern radars and missiles, such as SM2 and Aster 30.

This is a fiasco of the German Navy

- stated in the publication Die Welt.

Germany has 11 frigates, four of which are Brandenburg-class, equipped with ESSM missiles as well as older radars. The new F125 frigates, with the exception of the short-range RAM missiles, do not have missiles to protect against threats from the sky.

They are specifically designed to operate in a world where pirates and drug smugglers pose the greatest threat.

- says the press.

Germany, like Denmark, has 3 air defense frigates. The Netherlands has 4, Spain has 5, and the British have the largest arsenal with 6 Type 45 destroyers. The number of air defense frigates in France and Italy is also extremely limited (two per country), but they have FREMM ships that can, at least detect drones and defend against cruise weapons.



Norway has only 4 ships of the Fridtjof Nansen class, but they are not air defense frigates, although they carry ESSM missiles, which should be capable of fighting UAVs and cruise weapons.

The navies of Sweden, Finland and the Baltic countries do not have any air defense systems. Poland has two older frigates with SM1 missiles, but it is unknown whether the equipment on board them is capable of detecting, for example, drones.

Consequently, air defense capabilities in European fleets are limited. Then it is not surprising that the sailors have to refuse the request [from the United States]. Even if you have four suitable air defense ships, like the Netherlands, there is always one pennant under maintenance, and the second one is still being commissioned after restoration

- says the publication.

But the limited number of ships is not the biggest problem. Thus, in the Dutch fleet, the shortage of personnel has a serious impact on the availability of ships. For example, the frigate Zr.Ms. Van Speijk was taken out of service early due to understaffing. Because of this, the Netherlands is becoming less and less willing to support the “Red Sea coalition.”

As the author explains, many countries around the world have modern ships, including in the Middle East, for example, Egypt and Saudi Arabia. But they do not want to openly cooperate with the United States, since this could be interpreted as supporting Israel.
The naval coalition may include South Korea and Japan. China categorically refused to join it.

The crisis in the Red Sea exposes many national and international problems, but it requires the United States to ensure free navigation while other countries limit themselves to fine words

- is concluded in Marineschepen.

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  1. +11
    25 December 2023 10: 16
    The Houthis are not Somali pirates armed with Kalash guns on motorboats. The Houthis' drones and missiles could well sink a frigate or destroyer-class ship, and this would be an irreparable blow to their reputation. So the Europeans are not eager to get into the Red Sea under attack, no matter how the mattresses crush
    1. +16
      25 December 2023 10: 27
      In the Red Sea, the main pirates are not the Houthis, but the States themselves... stop
      1. +5
        25 December 2023 10: 40
        I agree, the States, from a stronghold of democracy in the 19th and early 20th centuries, have long turned into the main villain of the planet
        1. +2
          25 December 2023 22: 22
          Why the fright did mattresses become a stronghold of democracy in the 19th and 20th centuries? The foreign policy of the states has not changed. It’s just that now there are no normal counterweights, so they have become insolent.
    2. +7
      25 December 2023 10: 40
      Quote: Ivar Ravi
      Houthi drones and missiles may well sink a frigate or destroyer class ship

      It’s good!
      1. +5
        25 December 2023 10: 42
        I rarely drink, but on this occasion it would be a sin not to drink)
        1. +5
          25 December 2023 10: 43
          Quote: Ivar Ravi
          I rarely drink, but on this occasion it would be a sin not to drink)

          I would also be happy to have a drink on this occasion!
    3. +3
      25 December 2023 11: 08
      The Houthis are lowering the Aegis naval air defense system from the skies, it turns out to be a turd promoted by advertising. The leaky air defense umbrella does not ensure freedom of navigation for civilian ships. Hits are sometimes recorded several times a day lol .And there are three of them “Burkes”.
    4. +1
      25 December 2023 12: 56
      ...By the way, there was an article about how many daggers are needed for an aircraft carrier. How many motor boats with c4 do you need? 10-20-30 -40 -50 at the same time? Everything will be cheaper...
    5. +1
      25 December 2023 14: 25
      Yes, everything is clear with this coalition from the very beginning - no one will do anything. Everything is heading towards the fact that the Jews will have to solve their problems with the fishermen themselves. But the fishermen are not suckers, they prepared for their actions a long time ago!
  2. +6
    25 December 2023 10: 18
    By the way, the Houthis have “fixed” the Norwegian tanker, it’s roaming around, you know, between Constanta (Romania) and India, carrying 100% fuel. You should read the Norwegian media. Maybe I’ll find out how in Norwegian: What about us?
    1. +2
      25 December 2023 10: 33
      Quote: tralflot1832
      By the way, the Houthis have “fixed” the Norwegian tanker, it’s roaming around, you know, between Constanta (Romania) and India, carrying 100% fuel. You should read the Norwegian media. Maybe I’ll find out how in Norwegian: What about us?

      As the Norwegian publication e24.no writes -
      "Last week average rates showed that the worsening situation in the Red Sea has lifted container ship earnings. This comes as a number of shipping companies are now plying the longer route around Africa to avoid the region, and these costs are often passed on to the carrier customer and the end user. Since then, in several quarters there have been reports of spot prices significantly higher than this amount: from US$6500 to US$10 per delivery of a 000-foot container."
      1. +7
        25 December 2023 10: 57
        carpenter Before the mess that the Houthis created for the owners of container ships in the Red Sea, container operators recorded losses compared to the Covid era, when delivery of a 40-foot container from Rotterdam to China cost $12-$000 (and before Covid $14, if not less). If the price reaches $000, then the owners of container ships themselves will supply the Houthis with cruise missiles, anti-ship missiles and UAVs. I’m not talking about sea mines and torpedoes. laughing hi
        1. +2
          25 December 2023 11: 01
          Quote: tralflot1832
          (and before Covid, $2000, if not less). If the price reaches $14, then the owners of container ships themselves will supply the Houthis with cruise missiles, anti-ship missiles and UAVs.

          Well, that’s approximately how it will be, but 5 years ago 40 kushka cost 1200 bucks, from Europe to India.
        2. +1
          25 December 2023 14: 28
          This is business! And how did they manage without Putin? It’s not in order, it needs to be fixed urgently!)))
  3. +10
    25 December 2023 10: 19
    others remained completely aloof from what was happening.

    Well, they judged correctly.
    Well, they say, you are our hegemon. Here you go and become hegemon. Your way out.
    And we'll see how it works out for you.
  4. +6
    25 December 2023 10: 21
    If we compare the cost of anti-drone equipment with the cost of the drones themselves, we must admit that a small technological revolution has occurred both on land and at sea. And many were not ready for these new realities.
    1. +6
      25 December 2023 10: 32
      The usual thing. A means of defense is always more expensive than a means of destruction. Eternal history.
      1. +3
        25 December 2023 10: 50
        And why did they give Lumpy the minuses, isn’t he right? Means of defense have always been more expensive than means of attack. If they were compared in price, new means of attack were developed, and so on ad infinitum.
    2. +1
      25 December 2023 10: 36
      Quote from Pharmacist
      If we compare the cost of anti-drone equipment with the cost of the drones themselves, we must admit that a small technological revolution has occurred both on land and at sea.

      The cost of a drone now does not exceed the cost of transporting one 40-foot container.
  5. +1
    25 December 2023 10: 22
    Shooting down Houthi attack weapons over a long period of time is like hammering nails with a microscope. PU and l/s must be wetted on dry land. Something tricky is being stirred up all the time, with this covering of steamships with ships.
  6. +13
    25 December 2023 10: 25
    If our leadership were more decisive, it would be possible to help the Houthis by supplying the same anti-ship installations. Well, they help Ukraine under the sauce that Russia is an aggressor, and we help the Houthis under the sauce that the United States is an aggressor towards Yemen. That’s just where it is, this is a decisive leadership ,was in the USSR and remains there.
    1. 0
      25 December 2023 10: 31
      Eeeh, how many broken noses have already been broken on this topic....
      Maybe we don't have enough yet? Of course, it would be nice to give them something more respectable
    2. -6
      25 December 2023 10: 33
      You are really eager to watch the Third World War. And since when has Russia helped pirates?
      1. +9
        25 December 2023 10: 37
        What pirates are we talking about? The Houthis said directly - while Israel is destroying civilians, we are at war with Israel...
        And the Third World War is already underway, if you haven’t noticed... Take the same Israel - it helped Ukraine militarily, why shouldn’t Russia help the Houthis?
        1. -7
          25 December 2023 10: 42
          To begin with, the Houthis are not a recognized entity. Secondly, their attacks are not limited to Israeli ships. The UN Convention on the High Seas of 29 April 1958 (Articles 15-23) defined piracy as “an unlawful act of violence, detention or robbery, ... on the high seas, ... against any vessel or aircraft, persons or property on a place outside the jurisdiction of any state." There's a lot out there, and your personal opinion is your personal opinion. But according to a number of international documents, the guys are pirates
          1. +8
            25 December 2023 10: 46
            According to international documents, Israel does not have nuclear weapons, but in fact.... The Third World War is underway, what international documents are we talking about? According to international documents, it is forbidden to blow up gas pipes (Nord Streams and not only) - but they are blown up... And nuclear power plants come under fire... What are you talking about?
            For Israel, all the “goodies” are just beginning... Netanyaha made a big mistake when he carried out sabotage against his country on the seventh... He hoped to distract the people from himself and turn their attention to a quick victorious blitz...
            1. -1
              25 December 2023 17: 53
              How do you think this changes the situation with the qualifications of slippers - pirates? in essence, do you have an opinion or complaint that other guys also walk around with a Finnish coin in their pocket?
              and since when has Russia been helping pirates?

              To this you remembered everyone, but you didn’t treat either the Russian Federation or the Houthis. Are you just a public talker, or do you have something to say about the supply of weapons to pirate tribes?
          2. +5
            25 December 2023 11: 13
            But according to a number of international documents, the guys are pirates
            . Well, according to many international documents, the entire West is a concrete thief, if we take the illegal retention of our billions in their banks. Nowadays, international legislation often does not apply; if the West needs it, why should we comply with it when we need it?
          3. 0
            25 December 2023 22: 29
            What are you doing? According to international rules? Unrecognized? Pirates? Well, the referendum in Crimea doesn’t matter who the Unrecognized are, so what?
        2. +2
          25 December 2023 11: 06
          Quote: Smoker

          And the Third World War is already underway, if you haven’t noticed...

          Yes, everyone noticed, we just pretend that we didn’t notice.
      2. +4
        25 December 2023 10: 48
        Quote: Pimply
        You are really eager to watch the Third World War.

        If you remember history, when the Americans got into Vietnam, ours began to help the right Vietnamese, in Korea the right Koreans, and this did not lead to any third world war. Now it would also be necessary to show that Russia is ready to help with weapons and ammunition to everyone who is ready and will kill NATO troops , and Russia itself will decide who is a terrorist and pirate, and who is a fighter for the freedom of their country.
    3. +5
      25 December 2023 10: 35
      The Khishits need to supply sea and air drones. Let them carry out a combined attack on a modern US ship. It is advisable to sink it (for "Moscow")
      1. 0
        25 December 2023 18: 04
        Yes, my friend Manilov and his comrades! Do you sincerely dream of supplying _Iranian_ proxies _drones_? Sorry, there is still a big question about who is supplying whom now.
        And there are people who like to throw a shovelful of hatred at you, especially when they don’t ban you or poison you with RKN dust! Do you know why all left-wing rubbish likes liberalism? Because you can be irresponsible at the top of your lungs and people like you will support you in front of those around you who are numb with arrogance. And what is the difference between these recommendations of yours to the Ministry of Defense and the darkest to go out for fun in a bear costume and earflaps? Or is this your goal - to impose an inadequate person on the RuNet, confusing the orphans with mind and spirit only in the crowd capable of speaking brazenly?
    4. 0
      25 December 2023 10: 37
      Quote: taiga2018
      But where is it, this decisive leadership, it was in the USSR and remains there.

      The times of Comrade Stalin are a thing of the past.
    5. 0
      25 December 2023 10: 44
      That's right - the States supplied stingers to the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, while they swore that they were not doing this. All radical Islam arose due to the fault of the United States and it began in Afghanistan and Pakistan
  7. +4
    25 December 2023 10: 32
    winked Yeah. The Somali pirates did not have anti-ship missiles. And among the Houthis, only Allah knows what’s in the storerooms.
  8. +1
    25 December 2023 10: 43
    I’m looking at this video from YouTube, how the side falls off the deck.... and there’s something painfully familiar in this stalling style of piloting... laughing
  9. +1
    25 December 2023 10: 50
    They are specially designed to work in world conditions
    Was the German fleet preparing not for war, but for fighting pirates in peaceful conditions? A strange approach to your fleet. The Dutch have a problem with personnel; others have their own problems. But the United States was counting on a completely different situation. And here Japan and the Republic of Kazakhstan, at an opportune time, are ready to offer their services. Obviously, the American “good” done for these countries simply must be answered in kind.
  10. +1
    25 December 2023 22: 12
    I thought that we had a bad situation with ships in the far sea zone... But it turned out that the antediluvians from Europe are on the warpath))) Well, well, let's see how the Houthis will drown these leaky troughs! It’s just a pity that the Russian Federation did not supply Yemen with modern anti-ship weapons...