Paradoxes of Georgia, or the Red Card to Mikhail Saakashvili from the Georgian people

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Anyway, Georgia is an amazing state in the post-Soviet space from the point of view of power perturbations. Not a single Georgian president for all history independent Georgia did not retire after the expiration of the term of office.

Paradoxes of Georgia, or the Red Card to Mikhail Saakashvili from the Georgian people


If we take the first president of Georgia, Zviad Gamsakhurdia, his official authority ended in January 1992 after the insurgency led by Tengiz Kitovani was raised against him in the country. After the overthrow, Gamsakhurdia was forced to flee the country and during his overseas “tour” presented himself as the head of Georgia in the so-called alternative government (first in Armenia, and then in the Chechen Republic, headed at that time by Dzhokhar Dudayev). Zviad Gamsakhurdia returned to Georgia in 1993, however, his political career did not continue, and only three months after his return, the first president committed suicide in one of the Georgian villages (according to another version, Gamsakhurdia was killed).

For three years, Georgia was governed by the Military Council, then the State Council, which assumed the role of either parliament, or a kind of body of both legislative and executive power in one bottle. After a three-year history with the Soviets in non-Soviet Georgia, the figure of Eduard Shevardnadze, a former USSR foreign minister and a member of the Politburo of the Communist Party of the Communist Party of the USSR, loomed on local political Olympus. In 1995, Eduard Amvrosiyevich led Georgia as its second president in the entire new history of the country. In the 2003 year, however, he also had to leave his post in a far from democratic way. The announced Mikhail Saakashvili announced that Shevardnadze falsified the elections, and therefore the power from him must be taken away and transferred to the progressive forces at the head, in fact, with Mikhail Saakashvili himself. In general, the second president of independent Georgia left his post far from his will. The will of the "revolutionaries of roses" was stronger ...

Since the beginning of January, 2004, Mikhail Nikolozovich Saakashvili occupied the overbearing chair. But here's the deal ... Apparently, the hero of the South Ossetian war forgot that God loves the Trinity. But Mikhail Saakashvili is the third in a row ... It turns out that there will be disorder, if not all-Georgian cognitive dissonance, if Saakashvili suddenly “accepts” democratically until the fourth president takes office. Not according to the Georgian rules, these things will be, oh, not according to the Georgian ones ... If historically the presidents have been led to change insurrections, revolutions and pickets, then you need to adhere to this tradition until the end ...

And, most surprisingly, Georgia adheres. More than a million people put their signatures under a kind of requirement for the current president to immediately resign. And "more than a million" of 3,5 millions of Georgian voters - this is no less than a third. An impressive number - more than ...

But the Russian reader can say, but why are Georgian citizens so rigidly disposed? - They only have to wait a bit until the next presidential elections, and that's that. But here another strangeness manifests itself, which can be called no less surprising than, let us say, a peculiar change of the Georgian leadership. The strangeness is that the president of the current Georgian constitution is elected for a term of five years, but these five years can be stretched to 5,5, and to all six with a special desire. At the same time, the most interesting, the letter of the main law in terms of the documentary increase in the term of presidential powers does not change.

In other words, Mikhail Nikolozovich “started warning” at one time and made it so that even after the expiration of his term of office he can hold the presidency not for a couple of weeks or even months, but almost a year! After all, the next election will be held only in October 2013 ... This is plus nine months. But they still count there, until the official results will be announced, while the preparation for the inauguration is announced ... So the picture emerges, in which the Honorable Saakashvili will also endure Georgia in the presidential chair in the winter, spring, summer, and autumn. In general, a democratic approach to the definition of a presidential term - nothing can be said ...
If someone now asks, so how long is the actual presidential term in Georgia, then this question can be answered: “Five years with a hook” is almost the official version of the time interval when the beginning is known, but with the end it’s not so definitely ...

It is precisely “with hook” that brings the Georgian people to a white-hot, when people actually feel deceived and take to the streets of cities in order to influence Mikhail Nikolozovich to quickly pack his bags and go to where he can rethink everything. he led Georgia in recent years.

And there is something to rethink ... And this is not only a senseless invasion of South Ossetia in 2008, accompanied by a huge stream of informational (or rather, disinformational) propaganda. This is the actual loss of the territories that, during the years of Mikhail Saakashvili’s rule, turned into independent states.

It is also a practically complete rupture of any relations with Russia, which hurt both the economic and the cultural binder of the two states. Most of the citizens of both Georgia and Russia were well aware that Georgia turned out to be a hostage of big politics, which is dictated not even from the presidential palace of Saakashvili, but from completely different places. However, the Georgian president continued his frankly Russophobic rhetoric, trying to enlist the support of the West to solve the outlined tasks.
However, as time went on, Mikhail Saakashvili began to receive less and less of that very expected support from across the ocean. The defeat of his party in the parliamentary elections last year finally showed that the still-acting Georgian president had become a political corpse not only for his ideal, the West, but also for the majority of citizens of his own country.
Saakashvili’s ambitious projects, which were presented as gains of democracy, but remained unfulfilled, today eloquently show that the activities of the third Georgian president in his post can be thought of as a balloon that has been swelling for a long time. This ball today found a hefty hole, and the outgoing air causes it to rush from side to side.

Such buried projects include the planned production boom in Georgia in the middle of the 2000-s. Saakashvili planned to expand large-scale production and to enter one of the leading economic places not only in the region, but also in the expanses of the entire post-Soviet space. However, the economic indicators of Georgia today are far from impressive. The industrial sector today occupies only about 9% of the entire financial and economic system of the country. Gross domestic product per capita at purchasing power parity is about $ 5500. This is in 2 times lower than the analogous indicator of Azerbaijan, in 4 times lower than the similar indicator in Russia. In terms of GDP, per capita GDP, Georgia is now at the level of such countries as Namibia and Guatemala. The average pension in Georgia for 2012 was about 125 GEL - 2212 rubles. At the same time, the cost of electricity alone in Georgia is about 3 rubles per 1 kWh (comparable to Russian prices with, to put it mildly, different income levels of the population).

The far from cloudless economic situation in Georgia makes people quite actively seek work in the territory of foreign states. In Russia - including. And this, by the way, is not only about ordinary citizens, but also about some state officials. In particular, the current Prime Minister recalled just before preparing for elections in Georgia that the Georgian passport was more weighty for him than a Russian one, and that after active earnings for two decades in Russia, it would be time to test our political forces at home. In general, someone is leaving, but this one has arrived. And he came, obviously, to make a controlling political "shot" at Mikhail Saakashvili.

And although contacts between Russia and Georgia remain far from rosy, the hope still remains that after the end of the era of Mr. Saakashvili, as president of Georgia, there will be obvious advances in bilateral relations. Well, that does not leave, and that's it ...
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  1. +28
    23 January 2013 08: 50
    So what will change? Let any "-shvili" or "-dze" come to power in Georgia, let him cut the loot in the vastness of Russia at least as much as ordinary Georgians curse the previous president (whom they were fascinated with a few years ago) and are fascinated by the new president (who through they will curse for several years) Georgia will still remain hostile to Russia. And even if they swear in the eternal love of Russia, then it is worth asking ourselves the question: "Do we need it?" For all this has already happened in our history ...
    1. +5
      23 January 2013 09: 04
      "NO! We don't need this kind of hockey!"
    2. +10
      23 January 2013 09: 05
      Quote: Greyfox

      Well, what will change?

      Nothing! five more years will pass and they will overthrow the new. The puppet country cannot conduct its own vector, it is simply dependent on the powers that be. Any Georgian politician can promise a lot, but as a rule he unleashes another soldier and the new one will not be an exception hi
      1. mamba
        +6
        23 January 2013 10: 21
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        five years will pass and will overthrow the new. The country puppet can not conduct its own vector, a simple dependence on the powers that be.

        When Georgia applauded Mishiko, it kept in mind the thought that he, being an American project, would open the floodgates for dollar infusions, Georgia would become a NATO member, and then the country, swimming in money, would quickly rise and heal better than anyone else. and will show "Kuzkin's mother" to all neighbors, having the United States behind him.
        But it did not work out, for which Mishiko suffered. The same will be with the next president, as this role is registered in Washington and is not subject to change.
        1. +3
          23 January 2013 11: 44
          Quote: mamba
          and then the country, bathing in money,

          Well, someone swam in them wink
          1. Denzel13
            +3
            23 January 2013 16: 24
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, someone swam in them


            Some even had enough for drugs and ties. laughing
            1. mda
              mda
              +1
              23 January 2013 18: 45
              Quote: Denzel13
              and ties were missing.

              And edible too laughing
              http://pisheblog.info/kuhni-narodov-mira/ldquo-galstuk-sedobnyiy-reformatorskiy-
              rdquo-v-gruzii-poyavilis-sedobnyie-galstuki /
              or here
              http://www.1tvnet.ru/content/show/v-gruzii-budut-prodavat-sedobnie-galstuki.html
      2. bask
        +1
        23 January 2013 19: 42
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        a puppet can’t lead its own vector, it is simply dependent on the powers that be. Any Georgian politician can promise a lot, but as a rule he unties another warrior

        For Misha Saakashvili What is needed is not a red card, but a RED HAT, FOR THE RESOLUTION OF ALL TOPICAL ISSUES. laughing
    3. +4
      23 January 2013 09: 08
      Quote: Greyfox
      Russia, then it is worth asking ourselves the question: "And we need it
      Georgia, as if we did not want to forget about it, we need it. Having an adversary’s country in the region, we will never be sure of the security of our Transcaucasian republics. It was from the territory of Georgia that the militants came to Chechnya and also left .. And now, in many ways, it’s Georgian lands a stronghold for extremism in Dagestan ...
      1. +11
        23 January 2013 09: 24
        The stronghold for extremism in Dagestan is Dagestan itself. And no matter how much we need Georgia, we need to really look at things. Nothing that could make Georgia friendly to Russia is not visible in the foreseeable future. And to tell you the truth, why the heck do we need friends who cannot be turned their backs and who need to be held tight by the Adam's apple? Is your own Caucasus not enough?
        1. orfo
          0
          23 January 2013 23: 18
          information "underground" is supported by people from the Caucasian republics who may be in Europe
          http://hackinferno.livejournal.com/

          From personal letters about this it becomes clear.

          The "merits" of Georgia in the fight against Russia are quite obvious, and yes, a very dubious ally-provocateur-slander is not needed.
      2. +3
        23 January 2013 17: 31
        Quote: older
        Georgia, as if we did not want to forget about it, we need


        Georgia needs Russia, it’s clear
        And for Russia to need Georgia, Georgia needs to try very hard.

        In particular, the Minister of Defense of Georgia Alasania spoke in that spirit
        the ambition of the new government is to restore economic and cultural relations with Russia at this stage, establish contacts with Abkhazians and Ossetians, and make Georgia attractive to them so much so that they face a choice: become part of Europe with Georgia or continue to remain under occupation.
        So the desire to become gay Europeans has not gone anywhere in the Georgian leadership. Only who needs them there. The only meaning in Georgia is to cut the loot of "friendly help", And such "gifts" are not needed in the EU. The Americans poured money there, and as a result, there were only problems and no geopolitical gain, only defeats and failures.
    4. YARY
      +12
      23 January 2013 10: 24
      I agree!
      I am for "free and independent" Georgia, but they would go to the forest with their friendship!
      Let Sahaku with all participants 080808 be executed in public and with fanfare in the main square of Tbilisi! And standing on their knees with their heads strewn with ashes, they pray for forgiveness - maybe we'll think about it. But hardly!
      Rot and pesters his own but a stranger and in vain!
      1. +1
        23 January 2013 15: 50
        Quote: Ardent
        Rot and pesters his own but a stranger and in vain!

        With two hands I agree with the namesake Yary, why do we need other people's shit from essentially shitty people. They shouted curses against us all over the country, you can’t believe them for nothing!
        but all the same, the hope does not leave that after the end of the era of Mr. Saakashvili, as President of Georgia, obvious progress in bilateral relations will begin. Well, they don’t leave, and that’s it ...

        Give up hope everyone entering here!
      2. mda
        mda
        0
        23 January 2013 18: 47
        Quote: Ardent
        May Saaku with all participants be executed in public and pompously on the main square of Tbilisi 080808

        Amendment-Let on the main square of Tskhinval. So it will be fairer
  2. 0
    23 January 2013 08: 53
    For what he fought, he ran into something.
  3. +10
    23 January 2013 08: 55
    An interesting look at the situation in Georgia ... But it seems too straightforward ... Alexei forgot that Saakashvili’s extortion by the United States and during his presidency just created a system under which power can be maintained indefinitely and by law ...
    The Georgian people? Let's move away from the communist approach .. The people supported the war in South Africa, the people, remember Mimino, respected earlier in Russia, supported the confrontation with Russia ... And now all of a sudden the same people saw the light? There isn’t such a thing, especially in a state completely controlled security forces ...
    The Georgian president consciously went to the support, hidden, by allowing and not obstructing the opposition ... He needs to destabilize the country ... Then, according to the Constitution, he can introduce an emergency .. And then again, according to the Constitution, cancel these elections at any term ...
    Soon we are told about the political death of Saakashvili .. He’ll spoil the blood ..
    1. djon3volta
      0
      23 January 2013 11: 01
      US success in eliminating the obstinate president of Serbia Slobodan Milosevic in 2000 proved to the US Department of State and intelligence communities that their new model for secret regime change through a non-violent coup works. This seemed to be an ideal model for the elimination of regimes opposing US policy. It did not matter whether the regime was popular, whether it was elected democratically, anyone became vulnerable to new Pentagon warfare techniques - the techniques of "swarming" and "color" revolutions.

      A few months after his successful oversight of the creation of the Serbian revolution by the hands of the Otpor movement, the head of the American mission in Belgrade, Ambassador Richard Miles, was sent to a new field - in the tiny republic of Georgia in the mountains of the Central Caucasus. (27) At another time, a post in Georgia, a small state on the Black Sea coast under the control of a fisted Soviet-era veteran Eduard Shevardnadze, could be seen as a demotion on the department’s career ladder.

      But not for Miles. He was instructed to track the repetition of the Belgrade revolution in Tbilisi. (28) In Tbilisi, Miles was introduced to his stellar Georgian student, Mikhail Saakashvili, a graduate of the law faculty of Columbia University, the School of Law at George Washington University and an employee of the US Department of State. At that time, in 2002, Saakashvili was in Georgia Minister of Justice under President Eduard Shevardnadze. Miles taught Saakashvili how to overthrow his boss. (29)
  4. mamba
    +4
    23 January 2013 08: 59
    Mishiko for the States - waste material, for Georgians - a stinking political corpse, for Russia - a clown from a burnt big top. He is somewhat reminiscent of Gorbi, who gathered for the elections with a rating of one and a half percent and received even less. fool
    Still, one must listen to the opinion of the people, otherwise there have been too many sad examples lately. According to rumors, the Georgians are looking for a piece of black genuine leather to make a "black mark". am
    1. mda
      mda
      0
      23 January 2013 18: 50
      Quote: mamba
      burnt big clown

      It seems to me that the big top did not burn, they just forgot the clown
  5. fenix57
    +5
    23 January 2013 09: 02
    Once again, the "democratic Yankes" are throwing their "allies". hi
  6. +8
    23 January 2013 09: 04
    The US democracy experiment in Georgia has failed. Insight sets in, people have realized the main thing. That if you can achieve something only in alliance with Russia and not in opposing yourself to Russia. IMHO
    1. Pit
      Pit
      +6
      23 January 2013 10: 41
      Quote: Apollon
      enlightenment comes, people have realized the main thing. that if you can achieve something only in union with Russia and not in opposing yourself to Russia.


      They understand this once every 50-60 years. Then oblivion begins and Russia becomes an occupier. Moreover, this is not only Georgia's fault, practically all "countries" in the post-Soviet space. The question is: do we need such friends? We already have enough enemies.
  7. borisst64
    0
    23 January 2013 09: 10
    The news reported that Russia allowed the supply of Borjomi mineral water. For me, the most delicious, if true of course.
    1. +15
      23 January 2013 10: 01
      Fundamentally, I do not buy anything Georgian or Baltic. Let them choke.
      1. +3
        23 January 2013 16: 55
        ... and poison.
  8. +4
    23 January 2013 10: 27
    The most delicious water is KURGAZAK (Ural) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 wink
    1. +4
      23 January 2013 10: 40
      And we drink from Baikal, draw in circles and drink. Tastier than tasted
    2. Pit
      Pit
      +1
      23 January 2013 10: 42
      The most delicious water is Khankul (Khakassia) !!!! And do not argue laughing
      1. +1
        23 January 2013 10: 54
        Often in the Krasnoyarsk Territory I drink and Khankul, after yesterday it helps a lot. And Baikal water for everyday life, runs from the tap. Those who come directly from the lake cannot get drunk, though it’s difficult to break themselves when you go knee-deep into the water and draw a mug, and you can drink, and the water is clean and tasty. I'm not going to argue - come try.
        1. Pit
          Pit
          +1
          23 January 2013 11: 02
          Quote: Irkutsk
          come try it.


          We know, swam, very satisfied, be sure to repeat the voyage Yes
      2. +1
        23 January 2013 22: 12
        Taste Goryachy Klyuch.
    3. Denzel13
      +1
      23 January 2013 16: 27
      I am for narzan. Again a classic. wink
  9. +2
    23 January 2013 10: 37
    As they looked towards the United States, so they will. The rulers will change, the owners will remain, but the leash of the Georgian "eagles" from across the ocean is dragging on. The imposition of Georgia must be even tougher, it will be so-so calmer. And Mishiko has compromised himself to the fullest, which means that he is not worthy to carry "democratic values" to the masses, for this they will be replaced.
    1. +2
      23 January 2013 16: 57
      The Moor has done his job, the Moor may leave. Georgia will not understand why the second state of Georgia is for the Americans ...
  10. avt
    +2
    23 January 2013 10: 45
    "There is no need to rush, the main thing is to return a full-fledged person to society" bully I believe in relations with Georgia the most optimal option is the proposal of Comrade Saakov! bully
  11. djon3volta
    +1
    23 January 2013 10: 52
    But indeed in Georgia, a beggarly pension and housing receipts for utilities above these pensions, they even showed on TV that the bill is worth 200 lari and the pension is less than 150 lari. It’s the same as in Russia, for example, you will receive a piece of paper for housing, 9 thousand, and the pension is 6-7 thousand, that’s exactly like that in Georgia, though it’s only in the winter so that you have to give the whole pension for the utilities + still take the money, otherwise the pension is not enough to pay for the utilities, you also need to eat wassat
  12. 0
    23 January 2013 11: 47
    the problem is that Georgians believed, believe and will always consider Abkhazia and Ossetia their territories, and in general they have reasons for this, therefore, until the final solution of this problem, only a politician can come to power in Georgia demanding the return of these territories, and given Russia's position on this issue, it is clearly not friendly to Russia and forced to rely on other forces in foreign policy ...
    The situation is stalemate, there is no solution and in the near future is not expected ...
    IMHO something like this
    1. VoStattik
      -1
      23 January 2013 16: 15
      There is a way out - to make sure that the USA does not get to Georgia. And without a patron, this country has no opinion!
    2. Kubanets
      +1
      24 January 2013 00: 29
      I don’t understand what grounds they have (based on your comments)
      1. Lexo
        -1
        24 January 2013 14: 21
        Very large Base Dear Kuban !!! These territories are OUR ... and will be OUR - this is just a matter of time! Well, which of the Ossetians are Russians? Neighbor Vaso and Givi lived together for millennia, and then Russian came and said that the territory of Vaso (for example, Ossetia) is Russia! really stupid and funny to think so .....
        what did you do with Chechnya when they wanted to secede ??? so it’s too tough for you the Caucasus gentlemen of the Russians ... .. !!! and Abkhazia and Ossetia will return to their history and then the Kremlin can do nothing ...
  13. +4
    23 January 2013 11: 59
    Quote: older
    The Georgian people? Let's move away from the communist approach .. The people supported the war in South Africa, the people, remember Mimino, respected earlier in Russia, supported the confrontation with Russia ... And now all of a sudden the same people saw the light? There isn’t such a thing, especially in a state completely controlled security forces ...

    The "people" are the same everywhere. They want warmth, prosperity, prosperity, peace .... The people also want democracy and independence (or rather, a small group of people wants it, but people sincerely think that it is themselves). He also wants justice (again, what the "helmsman" puts into this concept). Sobering up, followed by insight comes, if there is neither warmth, nor peace, nor prosperity. But ... Someone else will come (Budzina is the dream of a Georgian), and where will the people go? -Will believe him too.
    Russia, it seems to me, is not worth dropping Georgia like dirt from a boot. Do not count them as friends, lead a pragmatic, well-adjusted line.
    We will also see in five or six years what the same Abkhazia will "throw out".
  14. Kubanets
    +3
    23 January 2013 12: 00
    Given the current situation and taking into account the many years of "gratitude" of Georgians to Russia, we should not improve relations with Georgia. But you can protect yourself from a potential enemy or an unpredictable neighbor. In essence, Georgia is a multi-tribal formation and the creation of "independent" Kakheti, Imereti Ajaria, etc., will put an end to Georgian aggressive militarism as well as to Georgia itself. And they have fun and we are calmer. It's time to learn from the experience of our sworn friends and partners.
    1. 0
      23 January 2013 17: 00
      Adjara Ottomans will be taken for debts.
      Why do Meskhetian Turks suffer ... We should help ...
  15. +1
    23 January 2013 12: 40
    The other day Georgia refused to accept the board with the body of one reputable Kurd, this is the only event today that would be worth joining and not letting the board back. stop
    1. Kubanets
      0
      23 January 2013 15: 12
      Binzo believes that there must be no two authorities in Georgia. Let even one of them in the land
    2. vitya29111973
      +1
      24 January 2013 02: 14
      Have you seen the funeral ??? There all my fellow countrymen are Kurdish. The leadership has stepped !!! After the funeral on buses and on one board, as a gift to Miho. And Misha to each comrade for a "high rank" for five years provided by the local criminal code. Imagine - five years !!! without!!!
  16. +7
    23 January 2013 13: 15
    Russia would need to organize for Saakashvili a fascinating trip to The Hague as an accused of war crimes on 08.08.08.
    1. Kubanets
      +3
      23 January 2013 15: 01
      And who will accept him there. The raven will not peck out the crow. This is a court for Serb patriots
  17. -3
    23 January 2013 13: 56
    and if I say that Misha passed the training in the KGB and His uncle is a KGB-shkik) what do you say?
    1. +6
      23 January 2013 14: 16
      All of Georgia is KGB agents, and so are you!
      1. +1
        23 January 2013 17: 02
        And how many of them are in the Baltic states ...
    2. +1
      23 January 2013 14: 29
      And we thought it was a sinful thing that we trained him in a completely different place ...
      1. 0
        23 January 2013 14: 42
        Quote: Volodin
        And we thought it was a sinful thing that we trained him in a completely different place ...

        Americans bin laden trained

        I actually joked
        1. +3
          23 January 2013 14: 46
          You didn’t joke, you split! fool
        2. OSTAP BENDER
          +1
          23 January 2013 21: 40
          Quote: GEOKING95
          American bin laden training joked

          On ha ha struck! Oh, get it!
    3. botur2013
      0
      23 January 2013 14: 55
      So you want to say that the bear is a Russian spy? Again, Russia is to blame for your troubles.
    4. Kubanets
      0
      23 January 2013 14: 57
      Dear GEOKING95, can you tell me what Misha was doing at the Kiev State University. And what knowledge has gained in the USA
      1. +2
        23 January 2013 15: 43
        Quote: Kubanets
        Dear GEOKING95, can you tell me what Misha was doing at the Kiev State University. And what knowledge has gained in the USA

        Dear Kubanets
        I joked about Saakashvili!
        but I did not joke over his uncle!
        1. Kubanets
          0
          23 January 2013 16: 01
          I knew his uncle personally
        2. OSTAP BENDER
          0
          23 January 2013 21: 41
          Quote: GEOKING95
          Dear Kubanets, I joked about Saakashvili! but I did not joke about his uncle!

          Maladtsa !!!!!!!
    5. Reindeer herder
      +4
      23 January 2013 15: 03
      Shevardnadze is also a KGB officer, but this title did not prevent him from betraying the country. Who did not understand - the USSR. Moreover, Saakashvili studied at the Kiev analogue of MGIMO, this is such a pen for the second-rate "elite".
      1. Kubanets
        0
        23 January 2013 16: 16
        You should not say so in vain. We won’t call names. But the opposition revolved around him.
    6. Kubanets
      +2
      23 January 2013 15: 25
      To serve in the KGB troops is not to be an agent. Saak, after the shameful expulsion from the KSU through the patronage of his uncle, was sent to serve in the border troops. Do you think he watched at the linear frontier post? Not at all served as a clerk at the headquarters. And his presence in the ranks of the Soviet border troops makes me ashamed that I was under the same banner with this ....
      1. 0
        23 January 2013 17: 08
        That's right. President of Ukraine Yushchenko served in the border troops of the KGB of the USSR on the Soviet-Turkish border at an outpost near Leninakan, Armenian SSR! Looks like a mishandled Cossack.
        1. Kubanets
          0
          23 January 2013 21: 34
          I don’t understand. Maybe they’re joking like that in Western today.
        2. Kubanets
          0
          24 January 2013 00: 23
          Doesn’t talk about anything. I served with handsome guys from the Donbass. And I visited them at the mine and corresponded and were friends without knowing the borders. And now?
    7. +1
      23 January 2013 16: 04
      Geokingxnumx

      Quote: GEOKING95
      and if I say that Misha passed the training in the KGB and His uncle is a KGB-shkik) what do you say?

      I will say:
      - who is he, this victim? where did he go?


    8. VoStattik
      0
      23 January 2013 16: 14
      I’ll say that you probably came across some kind of expired tie, maybe even with psilocybin.
    9. +3
      23 January 2013 18: 00
      Geokingxnumx,

      Father - Nikoloz Saakashvili - a famous Tbilisi doctor, however, left his mother for another before the birth of his son. Mother - Giuli Alasania - professor, historian. Granddad - officer of the NKVD / KGB of Georgia.
      Mom Saakashvili had a reputation as a good specialist in the history of medieval Georgia. She knew the Turkish language well and made up the entire scientific name in bona fide translations and editorial comments of numerous Turkish (Turkish-speaking) sources relating to the history of Georgia. The situation changed only in the troubled years of perestroika and the collapse of the USSR, when Dr. Alasania began to translate and publish skillfully composed quotes proving, for example, the primacy of the entry of Abkhazia into the Georgian principalities etc.
      The godfather Mishiko's career became uncle Timur (on the maternal side) an employee of the dwarf Foreign Ministry of the Georgian SSR in the 80s. After the free and satisfying Georgian Foreign Ministry, with gaining independence and the beginning of Georgian chaos, his uncle, not without the help of influential friends and patrons, moved to work in ... New York, to the headquarters of the United Nations. At first he was listed there as a minor clerk in the Committee on Disarmament, but, with his talents, he gradually made his way "into the people" and now occupies a rather influential post of senior adviser to the UN secretariat and is considered almost a leading expert on transport in general and transport transit , in particular. It was with his uncle's filing that Miho, after the Kiev university, ended up studying in America, and then he got a job there. (The path to the prestigious Tbilisi university was closed to him because of the famous video-porn scandal scandal with the same dunce-majors like him ) True, the echoes of this scandal reached the Kiev University, where he was even expelled from the Komsomol, as Mishiko likes to say "for politics." However, the red book of a member of the Komsomol was taken away, which significantly hampered, and in fact, put an end to his entire future career. There could be no question of any decent distribution to a non-Komsomol diplomat. He simply would not have been released abroad. The expulsion from the university really loomed ahead. It should be remembered that 1985-86 were in the yard then, the namesake was Mikhail Gorbachev, he was just going to make the Soviet people happy with "perestroika", and there was no sign of liberalism of the late 1980s.
      And then Uncle Timur suggested a way out - shame should be washed away ... by military service. There was a military department at the institute, they took care of translators and did not shave the soldiers, Misha himself wrote a statement and went completely voluntarily, and this can be believed in his official biography. Attempts to return the Komsomol ticket were successful only during the army service, there, according to information requiring verification, Corporal Saakashvili and a candidate became a member of the party. However, in the beginning of the 90s it didn’t matter anymore and after the collapse of the USSR Misha quietly burned his candidate card. Like any university that trained workers related to working abroad, the Kiev IMO was under a specific cap of the KGB and it was identified by its departmental profile - to the border troops of the KGB of the USSR.
      he really wore a green cap and shoulder straps with scanty initials "PV" - he served all the "urgent" clerk at the headquarters of one of the border guards in the beloved Ukraine - drew a wall newspaper, helped demobels to design demob albums - Mikhail has beautiful handwriting with numerous monograms and curls characteristic of the Georgian alphabet - Misha managed to perform in border amateur performances. Having recovered in the Komsomol, he was active along the Komsomol line - he was elected to the Komsomol committee of the unit, conducted political information ... That was the end of the "service"
      1. +2
        23 January 2013 18: 22
        Nevertheless, the Soviet Army left an indelible mark on the fragile soul of the refined intellectual. The astringent aroma of footcloths, "registration" from grandfathers with a rolled towel on a bare woman .., washing the barracks with a toothbrush, fell-squeezed out, a demobilizing chord - this is never forgotten.
        It is not in vain that during the December 2003 election race, solemnly promise that in the event of his victory, Saakashvileva’s election, henceforth any "responsible post" in the state will only appoint men who have served in the army.
        After the army, a mature and fully rehabilitated Komsomol member and activist, hospitably accepted his native university - "excellent student, member of the Komsomol, athlete and simply handsome" (as one modern Ukrainian journalist wrote about him), Misha Saakashvili continued his studies at KIMO.
        After graduating from the university, Mikhail ended up in the army for a few more months - now as an officer, and then moved to his homeland - got a job as a lawyer-consultant in the newly created "dissident" president Z. Gamsakhurdia Georgian State Committee for the Protection of Human Rights.The mentioned State Committee for Human Rights was an absolutely meaningless, useless and non-working institution, not even a sinecure, but simply - empty place, no one needed Misha as a saving straw grabbed another offer of Uncle Timur to participate in a competition for grant training at the International Institute for Human Rights, Strasour (Strasbourg), France Mikhail simply had no rivals in the competition, somehow before that it was at that time in Georgia and Misha, having received confirmation of his uncontested victory, immediately packed up his simple belongings in a suitcase and at the end of the same 1992 departed from seething Tbilisi for quiet and calm Alsace. Already at that time Saakashvili became, if so to speak, a logistician and translator of Western "charitable" injections into the far reaches of his small homeland. In 1993, barely holding a diploma from the Strasbourg Institute, he was awarded a scholarship of the US Congress to study at Columbia University (New York), where he received in 1994 Mr. Master's degree in law (thanks again to Uncle Timur). Earlier in this university, which had a notorious recruitment base for the American CIA, such notable Soviet "moles" as Alexander Yakovlev and Oleg Kalugin were trained. Further - in 1995 he received a doctorate from the University of Washington D.C. (Washington, DC). Then he trained at the Academy of European Law in Florence and at the Hague Academy of International Law, Holland
        In addition to other advantages of the "western way" of life, Misha acquired a "western" wife in Strasbourg - Sandra Roelofs (aka Sandra Eduardovna Roelofsky or Roelofsky). For some reason, in all official biographies, Saakashvili's wife is called Dutch, although she has only basic Dutch citizenship - her father migrated to Holland from the Czech Republic as a Jew, her mother, according to some sources, is a Polish Jewish woman, according to others, a local, Dutch one. "Misha got a job first at the Norwegian Institute for Human Rights in Oslo, and then moved closer to his uncle in New York, where he was a small clerk on the staff of the law firm" Patterson, Belknap, Webb & Tyler ". This firm has long and successfully specialized in legal ensuring the operation of solid American campaigns in the so-called "risky" countries. "Office" has worked in almost all "hot spots" of our time, from Sierra Leone and Zaire in Africa to Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan in Asia.
        1. +4
          23 January 2013 18: 22
          Since the early 1990s "Patterson" had an office in Moscow, for a long time the Moscow office was headed by Mrs. Mary Holland), the "office" was a corporate member of the American Chamber of Commerce in Russia and was actively working in the telecommunications market, that is, it touched the "thin "business with such sharks of early Russian capitalism as V. Gusinsky, B. Berezovsky and others like them.
          "Patterson" has long been closely associated with the interests of a number of American businessmen "playing" on the markets of post-Soviet states, primarily with the venerable philanthropist J. Soros. It is from here that the legs of the PR line on the elimination of L. Kuchma and the smooth transfer of power in Ukraine to Soros's protege Yushchenko grow.
          Hence it is clear why the "respectable" "Patterson, Belknap, Webb & Tyler" is the legal partner of the primary source of the Georgian "velvet revolution" - the "Kmara / Enough" movement, which brought the humble assistant to the master R.S. Horton Mikhail to power in Georgia. Saakashvili.
        2. Kubanets
          0
          24 January 2013 00: 06
          I don’t know. In the Border Troops, the methods you listed were not used. Already as a young soldier I didn’t test them. And it didn’t affect my future army professional experience.
      2. Kubanets
        0
        23 January 2013 21: 48
        Studied poorly or infected with the nationalism virus
    10. OSTAP BENDER
      0
      23 January 2013 21: 38
      Quote: GEOKING95
      and if I say that Misha passed the training in the KGB and His uncle is a KGB-shkik) what do you say?

      I will say that you have good crap, do not abuse !!!
    11. MG42
      +3
      23 January 2013 23: 18
      If he had trained there, he wouldn’t have animal fear from the sound of a flying airplane and nerves = not every president can chew a tie in front of the camera lol = and what are the eyes running chaotically and lately its coke trend = no it’s not an agent. Like in that song you're not an agent = not James Bond tongue
      1. Kubanets
        0
        24 January 2013 01: 38
        Well, you have your own problems. I hope you overcome them.
        1. MG42
          +1
          24 January 2013 02: 29
          Who is about what and "lousy" about the bath. This is your problem >>> laughing The comment had no message, unlike your interpretation. fool
  18. Lexo
    -7
    23 January 2013 15: 27
    plaque .... but don’t feed you bread - as soon as articles about the former republics of the USSR appear - here flies like flies to spoil the dirt and to offend more .....
    and what does anyone have to do with Georgia, and most of all you want to offend ... yes, stronger .....
    Georgians - Great nation and Great People - all your farting on the air Zhalki ...

    + Gentlemen Russians = how are you to US ..... you understand .... for the Ukrainians will not rust ...
    1. Kubanets
      +3
      23 January 2013 15: 40
      God be with him miserable. And our memory, unlike you, is deep-rooted. And we run into respectable Georgia for nothing. Have your people died in an ever-memorable conflict?
      1. +5
        23 January 2013 15: 50
        Kubanets hi

        in two Chechen there were scum in Ukraine who went to kill the Russians, so I won’t be surprised that there were such ones on 08.08.08.
        1. Kubanets
          +1
          23 January 2013 16: 39
          Carisson Sphttp: //topwar.ru/23302-paradoksy-gruzii-ili-krasnaya-kartochka-mihailu-saakash
          vili-ot-gruzinskogo-naroda.html # asb for supporting the Cossack grandson No. lol
        2. Kubanets
          0
          23 January 2013 22: 45
          Eternal memory to the folded sons for the good of the Fatherland
        3. Lexo
          0
          24 January 2013 13: 42
          Listen Carlson = look for your Enemies not in the camp of Ukraine and Georgia ... and here and there the people have nothing against Rasha ... Under the Union they lived, they went to resorts, they rested, etc. = everything was Hood until the Kremlin Humpbacked and Yeltsin bent to Washington and set F ...
          Now we’ll grind everything out and eat ICH Democracy .... So Dear - XP blacken and hark both at MY PEOPLE and UKRAINIAN .... These are worthy people whose blood has been flowing for thousands of years ....
      2. Kubanets
        0
        23 January 2013 18: 24
        I hold in place
    2. +1
      23 January 2013 15: 49
      Quote: Lexo
      + Gentlemen Russians = how are you to US ..... you understand .... for the Ukrainians will not rust ...


      Who is this? We got up to the mast and wave our saber? belay
      Dear Lexo, are you not too afigue in the attack?
      1. Kubanets
        0
        23 January 2013 23: 22
        Not too And about the mast, I visited those countries that you probably saw only on the maps
      2. Lexo
        0
        24 January 2013 13: 35
        hear Carlson ... I don’t Afiguev at all and I advise you not to Afigevat .... Keep your distance Young ...
        1. 0
          24 January 2013 15: 18
          Lexo [/ b]

          Quote: Lexo
          hear Carlson ...



          Quote: Lexo
          Keep your distance Young ...


          Dear poke your dad, if you have one and give him advice too.
          1. Lexo
            -1
            24 January 2013 16: 38
            listen Carlson = I buried my father in Georgia not so long ago - there is still mourning in my family ... I do not advise you to mention his blessed memory ....
            Be careful who you are talking to and what you litter ...
    3. +1
      23 January 2013 15: 53
      Yes, let it not rust for you and for you, but we do not care for you (personally, I and everyone I know), purple, deeply spit. Cook as you want, lie down at least under someone. Only here it is not necessary to spit in our direction, it is harmless for us, of course, but "ordinarily ponemash".
      1. +1
        23 January 2013 16: 30
        Irkutsk

        Quote: Irkutsk
        Cook as you want, lie down at least under someone. Only here it is not necessary to spit in our direction, it is harmless for us, of course, but "ordinarily ponemash".

        belay
      2. Kubanets
        0
        23 January 2013 18: 31
        We always count fellow countrymen on Irkutsk divisions
      3. Kubanets
        0
        23 January 2013 22: 47
        Sibyaryak Cossacks with you
      4. Kubanets
        0
        24 January 2013 00: 50
        It's a shame that the Irkutsk citizen gives his slightly washed mug to the essence of all Siberians, he does not even know them
        1. 0
          24 January 2013 04: 02
          Why are you suddenly offended? I have ancestors, including those from the Kuban. Well ugorazdilo me to be born in Siberia (dispossessed ancestors), so now in your opinion, "mug" is not mine? I don't speak for all Siberians, only for myself and for those whom I know. And we have enough kov .... kov, however, like you in the Kuban. Look in the mirror in a bowl, there is a rude mug.
        2. 0
          24 January 2013 05: 03
          What are you suddenly offended? Plus did not set? Do not be rude and will not be cheated.
    4. Kubanets
      +1
      23 January 2013 15: 54
      Well, what does that plaque mean? Russia is not needed at this stage; neither Georgia nor Little Russia needs internal stability, but destab comes from there. How do you allow me to react?
  19. 0
    23 January 2013 15: 49
    Yes, let it not rust after you, but we don't care for you (personally, I and everyone I know), purple, deeply spit. Only here it is not necessary to spit in our direction, it is harmless for us, of course, but "ordinarily ponemash"
  20. -1
    23 January 2013 15: 53
    Saakashvili changed the constitution and in October there will always be elections, but it does not say that the presidency will continue until October! so officially he is no longer the president!

    Now I would write about the war, but what's the point? minuses and insult (most) so I will refrain

    why the date of the warrior 08 08 08? :) when did the Georgian artillery open fire 07 08 08 23: 30 :)?
    1. VoStattik
      +1
      23 January 2013 16: 12
      This is Saakashvili’s first and last term. Georgia has not yet known the worst president!
      1. -1
        23 January 2013 16: 18
        Quote: VoStattik
        This is Saakashvili’s first and last term. Georgia has not yet known the worst president!

        shevardnadze
        sold Abkhazia let down the mkhedriontsov!

        oh yes 08 08 08 would not exist if the separatists of the 90's hadn’t been armed before the 2008 year!
        http://cyxymu.livejournal.com/1325373.html
        the warrior is to blame!
        1. Nymp
          +2
          23 January 2013 19: 00
          Quote: GEOKING95
          oh yes 08 08 08 would not exist if the separatists of the 90's hadn’t been armed before the 2008 year!
          Who did you call "separatists"? Are the Russian peacekeepers shot by Georgian tanks also separatists?
        2. Kubanets
          0
          23 January 2013 22: 57
          How simple it is. There wouldn’t be peacekeepers and Russia wouldn’t react. So maybe there wouldn’t be any fascist claims from Georgia. I won’t be unfounded. Since the time of gamsakhurdia, the principle of Georgia for Georgians is the main vector of Georgian national policy. I hope the author is familiar with the story
        3. Kubanets
          0
          24 January 2013 00: 56
          And Russia in the first number? Look back at the master
      2. Lexo
        -1
        24 January 2013 14: 33
        and I’ll say that we’ll see how History will evaluate Saakashvili’s contribution !!! where and what was Georgia BEFORE him and what it has become now .... Yes, people are poor - but tourists began to travel to the country en masse and everyone’s reviews are brilliant! still the population would become a little richer and then everyone here who wants to rot Georgia will not hear anyone ....

        I want to express Bravo "GEOKING95" - one Georgian among you defends the Honor of his country! BRAVO!
    2. +2
      23 January 2013 16: 25
      Quote: GEOKING95
      why the date of the warrior 08 08 08? :) when did the Georgian artillery open fire 07 08 08 23: 30 :)?

      evident by the date of combat contact of ground units.
    3. Kubanets
      0
      24 January 2013 01: 42
      Tell a baton Interesting
    4. Lexo
      -1
      24 January 2013 17: 08
      because propaganda dear! .... Russian propaganda ...
  21. +1
    23 January 2013 16: 06
    Quote: Kubanets
    How do you let me respond?

    Complete ignore, turn your back and not respond to attacks on the overseas team. Of course, they will heroically spit in the back, so you can throw a goby over your shoulder without looking and accidentally get into the eye
  22. Algor73
    -4
    23 January 2013 16: 42
    Let's be objective. For the reign of Saakashvili, Georgia has risen to a level to which far to many post-Soviet countries, corruption has practically been abolished. And the fact that it is unfriendly to Russia is understandable - territorial claims. Russia needs a weak neighbor to be controlled. And I do not blame Russia - it is power, it is power. It must be reckoned with at least through its power. An elephant does not always see a mouse.
    1. +2
      23 January 2013 17: 14
      Georgia (according to Krylov) -Moska. And about corruption, if the policeman sees you as a visitor, he won’t miss his own. And what is Georgia doing? Unemployment more than 50%. Prices in Tbilisi will soon catch up with Moscow ...
      1. Algor73
        -2
        23 January 2013 19: 30
        I did not mean Krylov. But whatever it is, Georgia is slowly increasing momentum, including and in economics. Ukraine is slowly sliding to the bottom. And the prices in Georgia will never catch up with the Moscow ones for the reason that the people are poorer. And what did Georgia produce before? What industry giants were there? I repeat once again that Russia needs to be reckoned with, even if its policy does not always meet the interests of its own state. And you do not need to compare Russia and Georgia - the weight is not the same. Russia is a superpower and it will always talk from the side of power.
        1. +1
          23 January 2013 20: 19
          and in what it is increasing in numbers please?

          and how does this compare
          And what did Georgia produce before?
        2. Kubanets
          0
          23 January 2013 22: 06
          Well, about being reckoned you are right. and we can argue about the economy
        3. 0
          24 January 2013 17: 48
          Algor7] "And what did Georgia produce before? What industrial giants were there?" Will the answer suit you from TSB?
          "Industry. The industry of Georgia is represented by many branches of the mining and manufacturing industries, among them the electric power industry, the fuel industry, ferrous metallurgy, mechanical engineering (various branches), the chemical industry, the construction materials industry, forestry, woodworking, pulp and paper, light industry, and food industry In the structure of industry, food industries account for 2/5 of the total gross output, followed by light industry (1/5), machine building and metalworking (over 10%).
          The power industry is represented mainly by hydroelectric power plants (ZAGES, Rioni hydroelectric power station, Lajanuri hydroelectric power station, Khrami hydroelectric power station and other) and thermal power plants (the largest - Tbilisi state district power station), operating on coal and especially on natural gas. G. power plants are part of the united Transcaucasian energy system, which in January 1970 was connected to the Unified Energy System of the European part of the USSR. On the river Inguri built (1971) a large hydroelectric station (with a capacity of 1,6 million kW) with a unique 270 × m arched dam.
          Coal mining is carried out in Tkibuli, Tkvarcheli (coking coal, concentrates of which are supplied to the Rustavi Metallurgical Plant) and near Akhaltsikhe (brown coal). Small oil development in the regions of Kakheti. In Batumi - an oil refinery (operating on imported oil - from the Azerbaijan SSR and other regions of the USSR). Of great importance are the development of the Chiatura manganese ore deposit, which enjoys all-Union and world renown. Non-ferrous metal ores, barite, gumbrin, diatomite, talc, dolomite, etc. are also mined. The Zestafon ferroalloy plant operates on the basis of Chiatura manganese ore. The largest heavy industry enterprise in Georgia, created in the post-war years, is the Rustavi Metallurgical Plant, which has a full metallurgical cycle. The main products of metallurgy G. - pipes and long products. A large chemical industry has been created: a chemical plant and a chemical fiber plant in Rustavi, a lithoponic plant in Kutaisi. A rapidly growing industry is engineering and metalworking (Tbilisi, Kutaisi, Batumi, Poti, etc.). The largest factories: aircraft, electric locomotive, automobile (see. Kutaisi Automobile Plant), machine tool, a number of electrical and instrument-making. the building materials industry includes the production of cement (Kaspi, Rustavi), slate, blocks, precast concrete products, bricks, tiles, etc. Light industry is developed - silk, wool, cotton, knitwear, leather and footwear, etc. (Tbilisi, Kutaisi, Batumi, Gori, etc.). In the food industry, the share of tea production (81 tea factories in Western Georgia), wine, cognac, champagne, tobacco, canned food, bottling of mineral waters is significant.
          industry is concentrated mainly in large cities. Only 5 cities - Tbilisi, Rustavi, Kutaisi, Batumi and Sukhumi - account for over 50% of the total gross industrial output. A number of branches of the food industry that process agricultural raw materials, scattered in small towns and settlements: a tea house in the Black Sea regions, a wine-making in Kakheti, Imereti, Racha-Lechkhumi, etc. "
          Not to say that they had nothing. There were no small plants Rustavi plant for example.
      2. Kubanets
        0
        23 January 2013 22: 12
        Man, I’m not opposed to all people in the former part of our union And in how they interpret it now
    2. +2
      23 January 2013 18: 06
      Algor73

      Quote: Algor73
      Let's be objective.


      Let's wink .


      Quote: Algor73
      For the reign of Saakashvili, Georgia has risen to a level that is still far from many post-Soviet countries,


      Sound please:
      - How much did the pension rise during the reign of Mishiko?


      Quote: Algor73
      corruption was virtually abolished.


      If you do not understand something, ask, do not disgrace.
      When large crime comes to power, the small mane bends at the best, the mane is bent; in the extreme, the small crime is simply physically destroyed.
      Example:
      When over a city, part of a city gets the control of an organized crime group, the local lesson immediately becomes invisible (crime rate in Sicily).
      When Mishiko came to the helm, he decided to remove all competition - a lesson, and those taking it on his paw - am , and all cash flows closed on Mishiko and his team.
      Corruption was not abolished, it simply moved to a different level, which is not noticeable from the side of the layman or tourist.


      Quote: Algor73
      Russia needs a weak neighbor to be controlled.


      hug and cry wassat no one needs a weak neighbor (controlled or ally) !!!
      World War I:
      ... Romania for almost two years hesitated on whose side it would be possible for itself to enter the First World War with benefit for itself. In the Russian General Staff, there was even a joke about this: “If Romania takes the Germans' side, we will need 40 divisions to defeat it; if she declares war on Germany, we will need 40 divisions to defend her ”...


      Quote: Algor73
      And I do not blame Russia - it is power, it is power. It must be reckoned with at least through its power. An elephant does not always see a mouse.


      I agree that it is better for a geopolitical mouse country to sit quietly when geopolitical elephant countries are running around and not to complain about broken dishes! And even more so not to start "small victorious wars" that can affect the elephant's neighbor.
    3. Cheloveck
      +1
      23 January 2013 18: 21
      Quote: Algor73
      And the fact that it is unfriendly to Russia is understandable - territorial claims.
      In, damn it, but can remember something?
      First article
      His lordship is the king of Kartala and Kakheti in his own name,
      his heirs and successors solemnly forever denied
      from any vassalism or under any title whatsoever, from
      any dependence on Persia or another power and the sim announces
      in the face of the whole world that he does not recognize himself and
      successors of another autocracy, except for supreme power and
      patronage e.i.v. and her high heirs and successors
      the throne of the all-Russian imperial, promising that throne
      loyalty and willingness to contribute to the good of the state in every
      case where it will be required of him.
      ...
      The seventh article
      His lordship the king of reception with due reverence only
      gracious by e.i.v. reassuring, promises for itself and
      their descendants:
      1. To be always ready for the service of e. with his troops.
      2. With Russian bosses, always addressing
      intercourse in all matters, before the service e.iv. concerning
      satisfy their requirements and subjects e.v. guard against all
      resentment and oppression.
      3. In determining people to places and their elevation to the ranks
      excellent respect for merits to the All-Russian
      empire, from whose protection depends calmness and
      prosperity of the kingdoms of Kartalinsky and Kakheti.
      ...
      Article two for ten
      This agreement is made for ever; but if anything
      it will be necessary to change or add for mutual
      benefits, let it take a place by mutual agreement.
    4. Kubanets
      0
      23 January 2013 22: 02
      Yes, and this level is beaten in the neighbors from the BUK for the benefit of the neighbors of the godmother
    5. 0
      24 January 2013 18: 07
      [quote = Algor73]
      "Let's be objective. During the rule of Saakashvili, Georgia has risen to a level to which many post-Soviet countries are still far away, and corruption has been practically abolished."
      Yes ... she got up and flew unknowingly to where! Please do not propagate Muru! We know where they went! Beacon of democracy of the whole world! !!
  23. +2
    23 January 2013 17: 52
    Quote: Lexo
    + Gentlemen Russians = how are you to US

    Georgia (a great nation, in your opinion) came to Ossetia to solve its territorial problems. Do you indirectly recognize our right to resolve our own in Crimea?
    And about your - eye for an eye - you will more than once answer for the "brotherly" anti-aircraft calculations during 080808.
    1. Lexo
      -1
      24 January 2013 17: 00
      well, let’s assume such stupidity 080808 was not carried out by Georgia .. but the USA ... but it’s not the size you have to bark at them ....
      and secondly, slip the current into the Crimea .... you’re a current and you can spread your fingers here ... but in fact your whole Fleet is there - one continuous rust ....

      If you want respect - prove something in practice and respect the smaller brothers - then you will not have ....

      and it turns out that only under the leadership of the Georgian did you succeed !!!
  24. +2
    23 January 2013 18: 17
    Unfortunately, all of Georgia for the last twenty years is a complete paradox. I've always liked these people. But what happened, they "forgot" their history. Mythical "occupation", demolition of monuments and, like the height of madness, war. Now our relationship will never be the same.
    1. +1
      23 January 2013 19: 24
      IRBIS

      Quote: IRBIS
      Unfortunately, all of Georgia over the past twenty years is a complete paradox. I always liked this people.


      I agree.


      Quote: IRBIS
      Mythical "occupation", demolition of monuments and, like the height of insanity, war.

    2. Kubanets
      0
      23 January 2013 22: 39
      And they had a story, the Golden Fleece myth from a blind man And then? A request for patronage and at the same time an ill-intentioned murder of the Russian ambassador / This ethnos doomed itself to historical oblivion
      1. Lexo
        0
        24 January 2013 16: 45
        THE HISTORY OF GEORGIA WAS AND WILL BE ... :)
        And in this Story there are wonderful pages .... and they will still be added ..

        It is a pity to Rush - the Elephant dies out .... your future generation causes laughter .... the whole country is dying ... your rulers are giving you .... your bastards of the whole WORLD know your Natasha ..... what to talk about with such Ethnicity ? :)
    3. Lexo
      0
      24 January 2013 17: 12
      Our relations can be the same only under one condition - if we ask each other for forgiveness ......... Because we are all very guilty of each other ...... and until you understand this, we will like a disassembled broom and current, and we can spit ...
      1. 0
        24 January 2013 18: 05
        [Lexo] "Our relationship can be the same only on one condition - if we ask each other for forgiveness ......... Because we are all very guilty towards each other ... and while you are not you will understand - we will be like a disassembled broom and a current and we will be able to spit something ... "
        Indeed, after your previous post, I want to spit !!!
        And yet, do Ukrainians in brothels not work over the hill? Hehe! About Lecho identity !!!
        1. Lexo
          -1
          24 January 2013 18: 11
          Unfortunately, Natalka is working with your Natasha ... but based on the fact that the population of Ukraine is 2-3 times smaller - I leave the conclusions for you ....

          and only fools with a weak mind can spit ..
          I'm just telling the truth ...
  25. Stamp
    +2
    23 January 2013 20: 59
    Such buried projects include the production boom planned in Georgia in the mid-2000s. Saakashvili planned to deploy large-scale production and enter one of the leading economic places not only in the region, but also in the vast expanses of the entire post-Soviet space.
    as they say, Misha had a lot of plans in his head, only the soap bubble was blown away.
    The far from cloudless economic situation in Georgia makes people actively seek work in foreign countries.
    Yes, a lot of organized crime is headed by people from sunny Georgia. How many of them have already been deported from Ukraine, for example, but they all go and go. A lot of underground gambling business is located under the Georgians. The truth is that under Yanukovych the majority has already been legalized.
    1. Kubanets
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      23 January 2013 22: 28
      The trouble is not well. Well, they wanted to live independently. Well, you live. Take out a bunch of lyamov from the economy of the enemy. Well, drag. But why not give a damn to the giver
      1. Kubanets
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        24 January 2013 01: 12
        I want to answer friends with SKIDNESS, look for friends not where they promise a lot
  26. MacTavish
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    24 January 2013 13: 38
    By the way, there is one movie about the war 08.08.08 I advise you to look. 5 days in August is called. After watching I was in full knockout

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