Mali: The West will never win?

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Chatter on the Internet about the situation in Mali, articles by various analysts, experts' guesses, various reports and reports, newswhich are innumerable, mostly boil down to one thing: several French legions, African troops and a little air strikes will drive out Islamist fanatics from the world map. Do not count on this, says journalist Mort Rosenblum, who has repeatedly been to Mali.



In his new blog post Rendezvous (The New York Times) gave a rather harsh assessment of the next Western "blitzkrieg" against the Islamists. No, he is not against the military operation, but, apparently, he believes that the West is overestimating his strength and capabilities.

The sandy part of Mali, the journalist writes, is twice as large in territory as France. Desert, rocks, caves through which the Tuareg have traveled for a thousand years. Religious fervor and al Qaeda’s newest campaign are only a small part of the local stories. Mali has long been at war with itself, the nomads of the north fighting with the sedentary tribes of the south.

Those Tuaregs that indigo turbans wear - the guys are very tough, the author notes. Their “news,” that is, victories and losses, is not easy to track down.

Believe those citizens who managed to get to the phone or connect to the network and give a message to Twitter, the author believes. “News”, which are built on a similar basis in the USA and Europe, is hardly reliable. If somewhere the rebels were killed, this does not mean that they were defeated. Here is a desert, there is no roads.

In the north of the country, a mass of jihadists were seeking refuge for themselves long before Gadhafi fell in Libya. Al-Qaeda’s religious fanaticism was thus added to the old secular insult of the Tuareg.

Many of us, Rosenblum continues, in the morning including the computer, think that the world “begins” with the push of a button. In every crisis we see a beginning and an end. Rarely where it is, and, of course, not in the north of Mali.

The reporter should know this very well, says the journalist, before talking about the future, and especially about changes in the forms of societies in West Africa. The author believes that it will take a very long time for Romantic time to return to Timbuktu and Malian music and for this country to once again become one of the best places on Earth ...

The al-Qaeda fighters, we note, knew what they were doing. Firstly, in the 2000s, little by little, moving into the desert, exploring the rocks and turning the caves into comfortable dwellings, they hid in hard-to-reach places and gained strength. Secondly, after the fall of Gaddafi, both they and the Tuareg gained access to the Libyan arms - and not only to Kalashnikovs. Third, after Gaddafi, having become dead, stopped helping financially to the Tuareg, they were strongly offended, and a little later declared their own state Azawad. And Timbuktu made it the capital. And all this mishmash of resentment, religion, ancient history and desert geography, the French fighters, even with the help of African fighters, cannot be overcome. Temporary victories are possible, but is victory absolute? No, it's hard to believe. Then why aren't the Americans overpowering the Taliban? And the same al-Qaeda?



True, here we have ahead of the French, not the Americans.

But here's the newspaper "Parisien"trying to keep track of the hostilities in Mali, writes that among the Malian terrorists there were also French compatriots. According to the author of the article, this is not about the famous Breton Gilles Le Guyen (aka Abdel Jelil), who converted to Islam and went to Mali to fight the infidels in the name of Allah, but about someone else, and maybe a few others. And the newspaper Libération, leading a conversation about Mali in an editorial, writes about the country's close ties with France (the colonial heritage here is viewed as a positive factor); about the first successful (up to a certain point) steps of the local democracy; about the experience of the Malian nation, which managed to unite different cultures and different languages. The author of the editorial is optimistic that after the war, France will open the doors of universities for the younger generation of Mali. It is France that will form the elite of the nation there. After all, the absence of a worthy elite in the country is one of the reasons why the situation there has become complicated because of the “very mediocre military coup.” The author of an editorial in the Liberation newspaper concludes: “Mali will never be a new Afghanistan.” This is a fanfare.

The military plans of France are very ambitious. Not otherwise, Monsieur Hollande, who has to appease sexual minorities (in accordance with election promises, but against the will of the majority of the population), who is not at odds with the rich citizens of his country and the Constitutional Council due to the attempt to illegally introduce 75% income tax , and whom progressive journalists directly oppose de Gaulle, decided to raise his reputation a bit with the Malian blitzkrieg.

French Minister of Defense Jean-Yves Le Drian сообщил Press: The goal of Paris is the "complete liberation" of Mali from Islamist militants. France will not agree to less. The minister gave an interview to French television and stressed that the French army will not leave a single center of resistance in Mali.

What are the moves on the Malian front in France?

On Monday, the joint forces of the French military contingent and the government army conducting the Serval counter-terrorism operation, were busy two important cities in the central part of Mali: Diabaly and Duenza. According to eyewitnesses, the locals welcome the troops. According to observers, the success achieved by the French and Malian units in the central regions opens up opportunities for them to launch an offensive against the northern regions.

Today, already ten states, mostly Western, provide logistics assistance to Paris. Battalions of members of the States of the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) arrive in Mali. They will support the army of Mali in the fight against extremists who have seized the northern territories.

Mali: The West will never win?


22 January it became known that the British will help the French troops in Mali. The UK will send about 500 troops there. About it сообщил at a speech in parliament, UK Prime Minister David Cameron. However, he disown direct warfare:

“The main mission of the mission is to train the troops of West Africa who want to help stabilize the situation in Mali. This is a training, not a combat mission. ”


Later, the official representative of the prime minister confirmed that British soldiers would not participate in military actions against Islamic extremists.

Earlier, London had no plans to send an armed contingent to Mali. It was spoken only about the provision of two military transport aircraft “Boeing C-17 Globemaster” to the French for the delivery of equipment.

Now, probably, we should expect Cameron to declare that 500 people will still be involved in hostilities. Western rulers are like women. They will say one thing and then do the opposite.

The Canadian resource CBC News has information that Canada is going to help in the Malian operation. The government began to establish contacts with the French and American parties about the crisis in this African country last spring. Currently the government suggests help France with one heavy transport plane C-17 (task: transportation of French military equipment). However, Canadian experts believe that the operation in Mali is undesirable due to the fact that in Mali the world will receive a second exhausting Afghanistan.

Evening xnumx january government mali extended state of emergency in the country for a period of 3 month. Commenting on this decision, officials noted that the military operation to liberate the territories occupied by Islamists is progressing well, but the country needs to establish peace. The state of emergency prohibits the holding of public meetings and rallies, and also establishes a curfew in some cities and regions. The CP mode was introduced on January 11.

Egyptian president of the French operation displeased. He, like many experts, believes that a military conflict leads to the emergence of a new “hot spot” in the world. Speaking at the Arab League Summit in Riyadh, Mohammed Mursi saidthat does not approve of the direct military intervention of France in the military conflict in the territory of Mali.

According to him, Egypt does not support the conduct of a military operation against the Islamists by French troops, because it believes that this will lead to the emergence of a “new hot spot”; moreover, the new conflict will cause a “separation” between the countries of North Africa and their southern neighbors.

At the same time, the Egyptian president called on the world community to support the Algerian government, which recently faced an attack by terrorists in the Amenas gas field. The attack of terrorists is explained by their revenge for the intervention of France in the Malian conflict.



As for Algeria and Mali, international experts fear the emergence of a military conflict between these two countries. Head of the Center for Russian-African Relations and African Foreign Policy Yevgeny Korendyasov, the former Russian ambassador to Mali, commenting on the role of Algeria in the development of events in the region, appreciated its like decisive. After all, the current uprising in Mali is the fourth, and in achieving a peaceful outcome of the previous three, Algeria played a crucial role.

The uprising, according to the expert, is a usual way for the Tuareg to assert their rights. Of the 1,5 million of the Mali Tuareg population, there are about 400 thousand. However, the Tuareg live in Algeria, Libya, Niger, Mauritania, Burkina Faso, and about 1,2 million in total. “They rule” protest movement now extremists associated with Al-Qaeda. Korendyas believes that its cells in the region were created as early as the end of the 90-s - just like bastions for attacks on Europe. The decisive role in the current events, according to Comrade Korendyasov, was played by the defeat of Gaddafi in Libya: the Tuaregs, who were in the army of Gaddafi, returned to the Sahara with well armed after the defeat. Now these people are the backbone of military groups in the region.

The operation was not as easy as it first seemed to the French.

Evgeny Korendyasov explainedthat the feeling of discontent has nothing to do with the policy pursued by the Al-Qaida, Salafist and other Islamist organizations that rode the Tuareg movement. Today, mostly Al-Aid cells are fighting a war, entrenched in the territory of the Tuareg in 2000-s. They took over the leadership of those movements that put forward demands to protect the interests of the Tuareg population. Comrade Korendyasov says:

“The West needs to build new relations with the Islamic world. Do not give a speech at the University of Cairo, but practically change your policy.

Mali is the fifth country to be invaded by troops from the European-American community. And many have the impression that their only goal is to destroy Islam, to oppress the Islamic population. Here we need to change the policy.

The current aggravation in Mali was triggered by the short-sighted defeat of the Gaddafi regime. If this regime had not been crushed, nothing would have happened. Al-Qaeda forces in Mali and other countries could not have organized such a movement. One of its consequences was the departure of large Tuareg formations that were part of the Libyan army. Many of them hid in the Sahara.

Well-armed, well-trained, experienced, they now constitute the backbone of the military formations of this movement in Mali. "


Meanwhile, in Strasbourg, talking about a humanitarian catastrophe.

On January 21, the President of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE), Jean-Claude Mignon, spoke at a press conference on the opening of the winter session of this largest political forum in Europe, and said:

“I, as a French deputy, support the intervention of France in Mali in order to restore the territorial integrity of the country and stop the spread of terrorism. The Mali crisis can lead to grave humanitarian consequences. ”




According to Monsieur Mignon, due to the escalation of the conflict in the neighboring countries of Mali, as well as in the southern part of Europe, a flood of migrants may pour.

Russia did not stand aside. Moscow is ready to provide France with vehicles for the transfer of troops and cargo to Mali. About this on the radio "Europe 1" сказал January 20 French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius. He noted that transport will be provided by Africans, Europeans and Canadians. In addition, according to him, to provide vehicles "offered and Russian." The minister added that the number of contingent countries participating in ECOWAS in Mali will increase from 3,3 thousand to 5,5 thousand by attracting peacekeepers from Chad. The French contingent will increase to 2,5 thousands.

According to the newspaper Kommersant, Paris found out the position of the Russian Federation even before the start of the operation in Mali. Fabius asked Sergey Lavrov, Russian Foreign Minister, if Russia would object to the operation. The Russian minister answered: Russia will not object, as he also considers the local militants as “notorious bandits.” True, Comrade Lavrov reminded his colleague that at one time France supported the same forces in Libya.

According to French media reports, a total of involved 1,9 Thousands of French soldiers, of whom about a thousand are in Mali. There are about 40 armored personnel carriers, 12 fighters "Rafale" and "Mirage", five tanker aircraft, two reconnaissance aircraft, one satellite. The French military in the cities of Bamako and Mopti formed two tactical battalion groups. The following countries have agreed to provide technical support for the operation in Mali: the United States, Great Britain, Belgium, Canada, Germany, Denmark, Italy, Russia.

On the subject of Russian aid, the former ambassador to Mali, Yevgeny Korendyasov saysthat Russia is a member of the antiterrorist coalition and accordingly conducts a policy of deterring terrorist forces, "in whatever guise they may have acted." Moreover, according to the expert, destabilization in the region affects Russia's economic interests. If not in Mali, then in neighboring countries, Russian business structures have major interests: Gazprom has Nigeria; for Severstal - in Liberia, Burkina Faso and Guinea; at Rosatom - in Niger; at Lukoil - in Côte d'Ivoire, Gabon and Sierra Leone.

Currently, the French are waiting for additional support from the powers of the West. how says Michael Shurkin of the RAND Corporation, the French are likely interested in additional spy planes, including drones, which could provide real-time surveillance on the battlefield. It is less likely, the expert said, that France will ask the US for ground troops, he said, because it itself has troops capable of dealing with the rebels. In any case, Defense Minister Leon Panetta ruled out sending combat units to Mali.

By the way, the US approach to supporting the French in Mali perfectly illustrates the new strategy of the Obama administration. According to Anthony Cordesman, an expert on national security from the Center for Strategic and International Studies, the United States is moving away from leading role in solving regional crises. Of course, Washington will provide some types of assistance (for example, the same air transportation), but special missions will be rejected. This is due to the reduction of the military budget of the country, the reorientation of the APR, the implementation of operations in Afghanistan and Iranian and North Korean "provocations". On the other, America simply has no money. According to Cordesman, the role of the “global policeman” would push the United States into the hearth of any conflict. Earlier, the US military had already trained Malian soldiers to fight Islamic rebels in the northern part of the country. So what? These efforts brought about the opposite of what was expected: it was the trained officers who overthrew the government.

Therefore, the French today are more inclined to "push" on their European allies: the Germans, the Dutch and the Italians.

However, with Germany, France does not add up.



This year, Germany and France began to print stamps, mint coins and set literary awards in honor of the 50 anniversary of the historic agreement that initiated peaceful cooperation between the two countries that became enemies as a result of World War II unleashed by the Germans. But the celebrations of the anniversary date were overshadowed by the crisis in Africa. In fact, the operation in Mali, undertaken by France, was a test of friendship between the two peoples.

If France sent troops to Mali to stop the Islamists, then Germany saidThat will not help her ally. Moreover, the German Ministry of Defense confirmed to Der Spiegel magazine that Berlin will do everything to make sure that French weapons are not loaded onto German airplanes based in the Netherlands.

Germany has quite strict rules that require parliamentary approval for any military missions abroad. Nevertheless, this step is a stern reminder to the French of Germany’s apparent reluctance to be drawn into a conflict in Mali, even if it risks facing the fact of aggravation of relations with its neighbor. Berlin adopted a similar approach two years ago, when the French coalition launched a mission to overthrow Gaddafi.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Francois Hollande on Monday managed to get around the issue of military support in Mali when they drank champagne in a television conference room in Berlin. Merkel said that the German military, they say, is not very experienced in Africa, and therefore Germany will gradually, step by step, consider whether she can do something here or not. Immediately, she hurried to add: "But, of course, we cannot refuse each other, we are partners." Nevertheless, it is clear that the Germans will not support the French with military force.

The Germans are implementing help of a different kind, and not at all to the French. Germany promised to send two military aircraft to help African troops be transported to Bamako. Also, the Germans will provide 1 million. € (1,3 million. $) For the provision of humanitarian assistance to Mali. There, according to the United Nations, almost 380 thousands of “displaced persons” appeared because of the conflict.

The fact is that, unlike France, Germany has no strategic interests in resource-rich Mali. And for Ms. Merkel, whose main agenda is the eurozone crisis and the upcoming national elections, Mali is just an undesirable distraction.

Concerning the resources of Mali, Candidate of Political Sciences Nikolay Malishevsky Recallsthat in this country is full of gold, diamonds, tin, bauxite, phosphates, uranium, lithium, iron ore, manganese, polymetals (copper, lead, zinc, silver) and rare-earth elements (molybdenum). The country also has a serious hydropower potential.



“The French, acting on the American“ anti-terrorist ”tracing paper,” writes the political analyst, “are now conducting a ground operation against the Islamists, who themselves were armed with Libyan weapons seized after the overthrow of Gaddafi. NATO has already welcomed the military operation of the French troops, which immediately joined (albeit indirectly) the United Kingdom and Germany. The United States also officially announced support for the French military operation, which has become a logical continuation of the Libyan. In essence, this is a joint operation of the West against the economic expansion of China in Africa, which has established barter with gold and cotton from Mali and financed infrastructure projects in more than 35 countries in Africa ... ”


Some Western experts also believe that Mali is a “continuation” of Libya.

Reliable information about the sources of weapons, which is now used by Islamist rebels in Mali, is not easy to obtain. However, in the West, many analysts agree that most of it came from Libya. Peter Booker of Human Rights Watch warns the western community is about big risks and mentions those weapons that “went missing” in Libya. Here and MANPADS, and anti-tank missiles, and missiles for Gradov, and mortars, and heavy machine guns. Something has already been noticed in Mali. In fact, the rebel forces in Mali are armed to the teeth - just like the Libyan army. Bukert says that it is one thing to fight the rebels armed with AK-47, and quite another to fight against an entire army equipped with MANPADS and heavy weapons. According to him, this is "a completely different conflict."

But this “other” conflict does not frighten France. Nor does it scare away the conduct of hostilities and the disloyalty of allied Germany. Hollande needs a victorious war - and he will seek the "complete liberation" of Mali from the Islamist rebels. The goal is good, and Russia supports it, noticing nonetheless that the picture in Libya was somewhat different from the picture of the Malian one. Here one thing is clear: the war in Mali will not be for France, and it is not at all the fact that the French economic interest in gold, diamonds, tin, uranium and other minerals will be satisfied immediately after the victorious blitzkrieg. It is highly unlikely that Germany and the United States would help the French soldiers. There is only hope for additional military resources from Africa. Therefore, pessimistic experts are more likely to be right than optimistic experts. Mali’s bright democratic future, and at the same time Monsieur Hollande’s triumph, are visions as fantastic as the sudden fall of the Taliban in Afghanistan. Therefore, Hollande will go down in history as a tax loser and applicant for gay friendship, and the war in Mali, where the Al-Qaeda have long been strengthened, will, alas, be as long, exhausting and losing as all the wars that the West waged against the radical Islamists.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
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    1. Vanek
      +5
      23 January 2013 08: 49
      Hollande needs a victorious war - and he will seek to "completely liberate" Mali from the Islamist rebels.

      Nothing will come of France!
      1. +11
        23 January 2013 10: 21
        Quote:.
        the goal of Paris is the "complete liberation" of Mali from the Islamic militants.


        A small victorious war defender of gay marriage. But in principle, that Sarkozy, that this clown circus poodles
        1. +8
          23 January 2013 10: 51
          Let them fight, plus the fact that France has diverted its attention from Syria so far.
          1. +17
            23 January 2013 15: 15
            Speaking of Syria

            Syrian Kurds destroy dozens of militants in Ras Al Ain



            At least 56 militants were killed in fighting in the Kurdish city of Ras al-Ain (Hasakeh province) as hostilities intensified here Monday-Tuesday, Reuters reported. Most of them are Arabs - militants of various Islamist groups and, first of all, Jabhat al-Nusra.

            According to the Kurdish side, partially confirmed by Syrian human rights activists from London, during the shootings, Islamists die much more, despite the fact that mortar and artillery strikes are carried out on the positions of the Kurds.

            On Tuesday, January 22, the fighting took place in Kurdish neighborhoods attacked by militants. At first, Kurdish positions were fired from mortars, tank guns and rocket launchers. Then Islamist gangs attacked Kurdish roadblocks and invaded Kurdish areas of the city. In the afternoon, the militants suffered serious losses and retreated.

            According to Kurdish militias, Syrian government forces have not appeared in Ras al Ain since November 2012. Only fighters of the Kurdish community in Syria and Turkey oppose extremists. Volunteers from other Syrian provinces, as well as from the Kurdish regions of Turkey and Iraq, come here.

            The neighboring Turkish city of Ras al-Ain, Ceylanpinar, is also mainly populated by Kurds. Residents of Ras al Ain complain that Turkish authorities are actively helping militants. In particular, the wounded on the Syrian side are being treated in the hospitals of Ceylanpinar. When the Syrian Kurds asked to take their wounded to medical facilities in the Turkish city, they were refused, saying that the Kurds could not be treated in the same hospitals with the Arabs with whom they were fighting.


            The offensive of the Syrian army in Daray continues.
            1. +3
              23 January 2013 22: 26
              Sith Lord,
              Well done Kurds crush proameric rats, think about the future. Correctly. It is time for Israel to scurry about future cohabitation with its neighbors.
            2. 0
              25 January 2013 02: 07
              And what kind of Kalps are they such filpers? And the right one is not Abakan?
              1. +1
                25 January 2013 23: 00
                This is not Abakan, but an AK with a piccatini-style strap with a body kit installed - a handle and a flashlight, they can also attach a laser target-sight, and Abakan looks like this

          2. garik404
            +6
            23 January 2013 18: 29
            Carry shit democracy in Mali.
        2. alex popov
          +1
          23 January 2013 15: 35
          Quote: Vadivak
          The small victorious war of the protector of gay marriage

          Here, some are fighting, while others parade through the capitals, others parade. ((((Who defeated whom?
      2. +8
        23 January 2013 11: 00
        We would sit at home, the crisis in Europe, the world ... Europe has long looked like a toothless old impotent man who, by habit, is drawn to the young ...
        1. +5
          23 January 2013 17: 31
          ShturmKGB
          on a toothless old impotent

          it's BEZPorno pulls on +, but-but-but.
          GEYROPA looks more like Frankenstein.
          Frankenstein is a common misnomer of a monster created by Victor Frankenstein. In the novel, the monster did not have a name.
          Everything is not in order with this part of the world: Either the specter of communism wanders about it, then the Inquisition on faith checks, SQUARE.
          It is necessary to treat it!
          Landing on a stake and burning with a hot iron.
      3. +1
        23 January 2013 16: 39
        Quote: Vanek
        Hollande needs a victorious war - and he will seek "the complete liberation" of Mali from the Islamist rebels. Nothing will come of France!

        An operation in Mali is akin to an operation in Libya. Only the result can be even more destructive. To dissolve the bee’s nest and hope that everything settles down by itself !! After all, until now there has not been a comprehensive plan for the establishment of post-war Mali, assistance to the authorities and the withdrawal of troops. they bombed everyone - they drank for the victory and went home, or maybe it’s not so simple to turn out !!
      4. +3
        23 January 2013 17: 23
        On January 21, the President of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE), Jean-Claude Mignon, spoke at a press conference on the opening of the winter session of this largest political forum in Europe, and said:
        “I, as a French deputy, support French intervention in mali in order to restore the territorial integrity of the country and stop the spread of terrorism. The Malian crisis could lead to dire humanitarian consequences. ”

        It seems that everything will ripen very much in the "frogs". soldier
        The British can not be heard, strange and suspicious.
        And the Germans are waiting on the sidelines, they have no "colonies" in North Africa.
        Tomorrow we will find out where the AUG "zamoremokiyanskiys" are, a week since as many as 2 left Nurfulk.
      5. +1
        23 January 2013 22: 23
        Vanek,
        For me, the Gauls will be stuck there for a long time. There is no sympathy for them. They crap and crap in the countries of the Maghreb, so let them rake it.
        1. 0
          24 January 2013 03: 21
          Sandov, I agree, already now 400 thousand euros are allocated for the operation every day. And the French budget is not rubber. I think large-scale operations due to lack of funds will be drowned, and all the dirty work will be done by Africans.

          By the way, Britain is transferring 500 of its soldiers. The Americans have so far only thrown support.
        2. Kievan
          +1
          24 January 2013 04: 22
          [quote = Sandov] For me, the Gauls will be stuck there for a long time. There is no sympathy for them. They crap and crap in the countries of the Maghreb, so let them rake it. [/ Quote]
          The French will quickly (or not very quickly) defeat all the large Islamist formations with the carts and go to the bases. And the Africans themselves will fight the partisans, how can they do it ... Somalia is an example of how parts of the African Union can successfully fight the Islamists even without the support of aviation.
          quote = The Sith Lord] I agree, now 400 thousand euros are allocated for the operation every day. [/ quote]
          Yes, at least there’s not enough zero ... it’s not a lot of money for the French
    2. fenix57
      +1
      23 January 2013 08: 50
      Oh and get the Euro troops snot.
      1. +4
        23 January 2013 10: 55
        Quote: fenix57
        Oh and get the Euro troops snot.

        Provided that if they enter into a clash (one rebel shot down a helicopter), but if it’s unlikely in Libya. government troops will fight Americans are already taking their drones to Mali.

      2. +5
        23 January 2013 11: 05
        Oh and get the Euro troops snot
        _______
        I have a question for you ?? you thoughtlessly said this or as a slogan ??
        I'm just interested in your logic

        let them not get as you said in one place, and the French Legion is one of the most combat-ready formations in the world

        they’re just throwing the Bedouins from above, there’s also a great advertisement for Rafal, although he showed it in Libya

        let's speak sensibly and not fall below decency
        interesting to watch the use of the latest weapons
        get Rafaley’s night outings in the photo and video (that's what the round-the-clock means)
        1. +5
          23 January 2013 11: 18
          13 aircraft in territory in two France?
          Do not exaggerate their capabilities.
        2. Sergh
          +3
          23 January 2013 12: 00
          Quote: Rustam
          they Bedouins just throw on top, to the same place there is a great advertisement for Rafal

          Well, I'm boggling ... on the Rafala against a herd of camels. So another question, will there be Bedouins there? And the second ..., they will not appear in France with their demands to kill someone, like, a crowd of French gardeners? And the latest weapons are not intended for such a war and there is no sense from Rafale.
          1. +3
            23 January 2013 12: 10
            Well I'm boggling ... on the Rafale against a herd of camels
            _________
            At the end of '94, we had one activist who promised to solve all issues against people with guns. One regiment of the airborne forces -What we ended up with

            and the French continue to transfer fresh troops - that’s where the Mistrals are needed

            The newest French universal amphibious assault ship L 9015 Dixmude (the third in the Mistral class series) is involved in the transfer of French troops to Africa as part of the Serval military operation against the Islamists in Mali. On January 19-21, 2013, in Toulon, personnel and equipment of two (1st and 4th) companies of the 92e Infantry Regiment (92e Régiment d'Infanterie) from the 3rd Mechanized Brigade of the French Army were loaded onto Dixmude, as well as a number of other units and subunits, including one battery of 155-mm self-propelled howitzers CAESAR from the 68th artillery regiment of the same brigade, and a squadron equipped with AMX-10RC cannon armored vehicles from the regiment of armored vehicles "marin" (Régiment d'Infanterie de Chars de Marine) of the 9th Marine Light Armored Brigade. In total, 16 VBCI wheeled armored personnel carriers, four VBCI-based VPC command and staff vehicles, several AMX-10RC armored vehicles, VAB armored personnel carriers and VBL light armored vehicles, six CAESAR self-propelled howitzers and a significant number of vehicles were loaded onto the ship. It is pertinent to note that the 92nd Infantry Regiment, stationed in Clermont-Ferrand, in 2010 became the second regiment of the French army, equipped with new VBCI armored personnel carriers.

            Dixmude left Toulon on January 21 and is to deliver the subunits, combined into a mixed tactical group (Groupement tactique inter-armées - GTIA), to Abidjan (Côte d'Ivoire), from where the group's forces will independently proceed by land to Mali.

            source-http: //bmpd.livejournal.com/441759.html
            1. +1
              23 January 2013 14: 55
              so Mali does not go to sea
              1. 0
                23 January 2013 18: 46
                written above


                to Abidjan (Côte d'Ivoire), from where the group's forces will independently proceed by land to Mali.
          2. 0
            25 January 2013 23: 14
            I support, it will be a little expensive to chase individual camel-carts or even jeeps with weapons on rafals and mirages, helicopters here seem more acceptable or planes like super-toucano or bronco

        3. +8
          23 January 2013 12: 34
          Quote: Rustam
          interesting to watch the use of the latest weapons
          Look at the photos and videos of Rafaley’s night outings (that's h


          With the Rafales in the Sahara, chasing Bedouins and Tuaregs is like running with a sneaker for cockroaches. They need UAVs with high-precision weapons, space reconnaissance, mobile landing groups, and you won’t achieve anything with Rafaley’s night raids. Some show off no more.
          I immediately agreed with the opinion of some of our experts that Mali would turn, in terms of the nature of the war and its timing, into a "second" Afghanistan. And there is every reason for this, until the blitzkrieg does not work out, hence the dissatisfaction of the French with their Euro-Atlantic allies who are in no hurry to get involved in this long and unpromising business. Especially the Germans, it seems to me their Bundeswehr was so declassified after the collapse of the USSR that they are no longer able to fight independently anywhere.
          1. +2
            23 January 2013 13: 55
            Unfortunately, the wrong manners will not pass into the second Afghan and the terrain is not the same.
            But you can look at the next poignant war game. I wish the service uniforms and rebels die heroically.
            By the way, they say they still shot down 1 turntable.
          2. +2
            23 January 2013 18: 50
            And what is the problem with space intelligence? NATO will provide all kinds of information, they already have a satellite constellation. In addition, the desert is a bare place ... It’s easy to decipher the pictures, but hiding from each satellite simply will not work. So for the French, everything is so bad.
        4. 0
          23 January 2013 14: 53
          In modern warriors, technological superiority is not critical. The outcome of this fight is difficult to predict. all participants are not badly prepared and know each other's vulnerabilities. In this region, the interests of many influential states and business structures are met. To a large extent, the process and outcome of hostilities will depend on the professionalism of the military and diplomats on both sides. I can congratulate France on a small but diplomatic victory - attracting Russia to its side.
          1. +3
            23 January 2013 20: 40
            Focus, it’s not France’s victory, but Moscow’s Imperial gesture. They put it on a pug in Syria (not allowing it), now they spoil it with gingerbread.
            1. +1
              24 January 2013 00: 20
              I completely agree with you, of course France did not defeat us, but after all, when they asked us for help, they were not "empty-handed", it is in their interest to attract as many supporters as possible to their side, especially since their "loyal" allies are in no hurry, because to this in this context I used the word "victory".
              1. 0
                24 January 2013 02: 54
                I think, yes.
                I would even say that there are common interests.
        5. ksandr45
          0
          23 January 2013 19: 49
          it seems to me, or he somehow takes off and lands heavily, well, in the sense of taking off, he slowly gains height, and when landing we are shot up very high?
        6. +1
          25 January 2013 04: 26
          the French Legion once surrendered in full force
          1. Beck
            0
            25 January 2013 11: 51
            Quote: Tlauicol
            the French Legion once surrendered in full force


            Actually, I have not heard that. Everything is right, nobody has been given everything to know. Therefore, can you, Tlauikol, illuminate in detail what you said.

            In which clash did the Foreign Legion (for some reason you called it French) surrender in full force? When is the Date?
      3. Beck
        0
        23 January 2013 20: 36
        Quote: fenix57
        Oh and get the Euro troops snot


        To say so, it does not know modern European armies. One Foreign Legion of the French army is worth. Mali will carry these Islamists, cram into the corners of the desert, but into the mountains. Business then.

        In FIG, nobody needs an orthodox, Islamic splinter in black Africa.
    3. Mavsik
      +9
      23 January 2013 08: 54
      If in a certain country NATO units begin military operations, the first thing to look at is the availability of resources in that country.
      1. +2
        23 January 2013 13: 55
        They have large reserves of uranium there which are very necessary for the French.
        1. +2
          23 January 2013 16: 43
          The French are afraid (and not in vain) that the Islamist fire could spread to Niger. And Niger is in sixth place in terms of uranium ore reserves and in fourth - in uranium production. In France, nuclear power plants account for the lion's share of electricity production. The French will simply “squeeze” Islamists into Algeria ...
      2. VoStattik
        +3
        23 January 2013 16: 10
        Uranium is the answer; it is an alternative to oil.
      3. garik404
        0
        24 January 2013 02: 38
        Just look at the map ...
        http://www.mineral.ru/Content_Deployment/Facts/world/116/143/img/image092.jpg
    4. +4
      23 January 2013 08: 59
      It seems that the situation is pouring water on Putin's mill. Accidents are not accidental, everything is very interesting!
      1. +3
        23 January 2013 10: 47
        Quote: jungar
        It seems that the situation is pouring water on Putin's mill.

        What about
        Russia admits the possibility of sending international forces to Mali to help the authorities restore territorial integrity.
    5. +4
      23 January 2013 09: 07
      Quote: jungar
      It seems that the situation is pouring water on Putin's mill. Accidents are not accidental, everything is very interesting!

      The goal is good, and Russia supports it
      Addition on this issue: http://ipolk.ru/blog/5498.html
      1. +1
        23 January 2013 11: 33

        According to the newspaper Kommersant, Paris found out the position of the Russian Federation even before the start of the operation in Mali. Fabius asked Sergey Lavrov, Russian Foreign Minister, if Russia would object to the operation. The Russian minister answered: Russia will not object, as he also considers the local militants as “notorious bandits.” True, Comrade Lavrov reminded his colleague that at one time France supported the same forces in Libya.
        The main thing is to remember what the road to hell is laid out ....
        I prefer Germany's principled position rather than Lavrov's "diplomatic" praises
        1. +4
          23 January 2013 20: 41
          And I prefer Lavrov's "praises" rather than Germany's political impotence. Lavrov, "promised to marry", recalling Libya (nose in a puddle of double standards). Very thin trolls.
    6. Fox
      +1
      23 January 2013 09: 12
      how much I want the Franks to break all their teeth in Mali! whatever you say, this is yet another invasion of the West into another country.
    7. Sarus
      +3
      23 January 2013 09: 12
      Uncle Sam allowed France to rule in Mali ..
      I read somewhere that in Mali there are good minerals ...
      I will not be surprised at all that soon the thread will go and England will stick its fifth point ...
      There is an interesting situation in the world .. Who has the resources but does not have nuclear weapons or the country does not satellite the West (such as Qatar or Norway) then problems with democracy begin there ...
      By the way, in our place, I would very carefully look at Venezuela ...
      There, if Chavez retires from business, the United States can well put his doll on and under the pretext of fighting the drug mafia invade there ....
      1. +7
        23 January 2013 09: 57
        What do you! What uncle Sam! These are the colonies of France, they were and remain (formally) + of course there are resources, so that France does not care about the opinion of the United States in this matter, they are increasingly pursuing their policies without looking back to America.
        1. +8
          23 January 2013 10: 56
          Quote: Marrying
          What do you! What uncle Sam!

          In general, the colony rebelled. Only France has the right to rob her
          1. alex popov
            +1
            23 January 2013 15: 32
            Yes, but not without the participation of the United States, since, according to open sources from the media, they don’t have the strength and resources to independently do all this.
      2. +1
        23 January 2013 20: 47
        France is interesting for the fact that it is not part of Naglo-Saxony. Although they are tied in treaties, the French have a fairly independent opinion from Fashington. There is simply such a trend in the world - civilization ala 'UN. So most of the countries that are not in the Stone Age believe that this is the future. It's not about the states.
    8. +8
      23 January 2013 09: 19
      The French, without a fight, enter the cities, getting deeper and deeper into the trap. Alkaidovites are hiding and waiting in the wings, they are not fools to expose themselves to a powerful blow. As soon as the "victory of democracy" is announced, they will begin to climb out slowly and bite. The old partisan method.
      1. +2
        23 January 2013 10: 36
        Yes, to enter cities where there is no ambush directly is the surrender of the city. Or do you think that by entering the cities the French will not create at least a little minor fortified area for their defense? And with fortified areas, to stand up against troops without artillery and tanks, like two fingers on asphalt.
        Perhaps the situation will be like the First World War, the trench is sluggishly ongoing war. The paddlers will kill the camelids from the most useful zones, organize their defense and will, as in Afghanistan, periodically clear some radius from the zone.
        At least I did, I command the troops. At each point in the landing operation (with light armored vehicles), preferably at night. Captured, entrenched, waited for the approach of the main forces, flew on. And nefig galloping through the desert. At the same time, the borders would be blocked, in a political way, so that the Tuaregs would multiply, only in a natural way.
        1. +4
          23 January 2013 16: 11
          Quote: Evgeny_Lev
          And with fortified areas, to stand up against troops without artillery and tanks, like two fingers on asphalt.

          For effective control of such a territory, even with excellent weapons, even at separate reference points, 2,5k fighters are completely insufficient, even taking into account another 3k fighters from Africans. These points must be regularly supplied with ammunition, provisions and other consumables, in addition, personnel must be rotated. That is, in addition to the control of control points, it is necessary to control the ways of their supply, which in themselves are quite long. Here the French are waiting for the main trouble. Setting up an ambush on a convoy is much easier. In addition, in the area of ​​the local block of the post, the rebels can easily covertly regroup and create a multiple numerical superiority for the attack, which, in the light of transport accessibility, can be counteracted in an instant. In this situation, the block post will be eliminated by the rebels before reinforcements fit. It is extremely difficult to use aviation in support of a checkpoint block in conditions of such a battle, since it is possible to resolve the defenders of the post together with the rebels. In order to prevent the development of events under this scenario, the French need a contingent in Mali to increase at least 20 times, then they will be able to stabilize the situation. With such a contingent, the operation is more like a political clowning, or a crazy adventure.
          IMHO.
      2. +2
        23 January 2013 20: 49
        So it will be seen to what extent the French are ready for "colonial wars." For another, their army was not sharpened.
    9. borisst64
      +4
      23 January 2013 09: 21
      Capitalism in action - there are problems in the economy, so war is needed.
    10. SSR
      +2
      23 January 2013 10: 00
      Russia will not object, as it also considers the local militants "notorious bandits." True, Comrade Lavrov reminded his colleague that at one time France supported the same forces in Libya.

      It should be reminded as often as possible .....

      In essence, this is a joint Western operation against China's economic expansion into Africa, established barter with gold and cotton from Mali and financing infrastructure projects in more than 35 countries in Africa ... "

      It would be interesting to know what the Chinese think .....
      Drugs are the main source of funding for Islamists in Africa ("Slate.fr", France)
      Terrorism in the Sahel is primarily determined not by religion and ties with al-Qaida, but by reliance on organized crime, the arms and drugs trade.


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    11. fenix57
      +3
      23 January 2013 10: 05
      Quote: Mavsik
      it's for resources

      Yes, there is little: diamonds, uranium, gold, silver, lead, molybdenum, copper.
      1. 0
        25 January 2013 00: 49
        Yes, no doubt then you need help, because there are so many things in Mali!
    12. +6
      23 January 2013 10: 32
      Actually, they (the French) have a French legion, it is just for this purpose. They know about sabotage actions in the desert and Africa not by hearsay. As long as the main troops are "making noise", the legionnaires will do their job.
      And all this mess I see in a slightly different "light". The West finally came to its senses and understood the threat posed by radical Islamism and migrants. We need a reason to start destroying the most powerful groups and movements without asking for sanctions. And the case presented itself after the killing of hostages at the oil factories. Although there are also many questions, according to the media, the militants mined everything there, and strangely enough, they did not blow it up. And why did they only capture these factories when France threw the troops over. This had to be done immediately (as a means of pressure, etc.).
      And yet this news from England, they say in the evenings, people in hoods, in an ultimatum form, tell the citizens the following: They say this is a Muslim region, you can’t drink alcohol here, you can’t walk near mosques in short skirts, and in general you have nothing to do here. To the girl’s reimbursement, this is England, this is my country, the answer was - this is a long time ago for your country. And they shoot all this on a mobile phone. In my opinion, there is a gradual glow and provocation.
    13. -3
      23 January 2013 10: 44
      But we would not have to go into this adventure. Even transporting goods. Why tease dogs with their backside when someone (dogs) kicks them? It may turn out a real kirdyk for symbolic help. Do we need it? They perished Kadaffi, now let them slurp the porridge that they made.
      And do not mix the interests of our oligarchs with state policy. They and their children certainly won’t go to war themselves. They are able to solve their problems themselves.
      1. +2
        23 January 2013 11: 27
        IRBIS
        Quote: IRBIS
        But we would not have to go into this adventure.

        I agree. With all the comment.
      2. +1
        23 January 2013 13: 57
        That is, they can not be helped?
        For some reason, the more gay people / blacks / Arabs die there the better.
      3. +3
        23 January 2013 20: 51
        IRBIS, Russia diligently courtes France, promising to live in a bribe. However, nothing personal, stupid interests of RUSSIA. This lesson is Putin and his team - LEARNED in yat.
    14. +9
      23 January 2013 11: 01
      They don’t understand that these humanitarian wars give nothing. Humanitarian is when you go into a village, for example, and begin to communicate with all sorts of old tires on the subject of whether you have militants or not, if you don’t leave. Divide all into civilians and non-civilians. TRAINING THEIR ARMY. The result is only those wars that rely on total annihilation (for example, on the destruction of the entire male population of the country and partly the female population, or a change in the mentality of surviving citizens by changing religion, their way of life, as the Turks did) And humanitarian wars give only a temporary effect, but they are expensive, so it’s better not to start them.
    15. megatherion
      +4
      23 January 2013 12: 05
      Ground forces will take control of mining sites, and drones and bombers will iron the Tuareg from the air. And "complete destruction" will last until the country is completely freed from these very resources. And the French economy (which is in the fifth point) is helped, and Hollande's SSI does not suffer.
    16. +2
      23 January 2013 12: 11
      Alkaida is an organization completely controlled by the Americans (of course, its ordinary members don’t know about it and firmly believe that they are fighting against the star-striped devil). Necessity of its occurrence: 1) the role of the scarecrow for gradans and the justification of the high military budget (in the Cold War, this role was played by the USSR). 2) Promote US interests. Suppose you need to get access to the resources of a country that is clearly not friendly to you. How to do it? Declare that there is an Alkaide (which from that moment there will be).
    17. +11
      23 January 2013 12: 27
      Let the NATO members get stuck in Mali. Themselves created the whole situation, so that climbed into Libya.
      1. +2
        23 January 2013 20: 54
        Now they are Colonel Auknitsa with a trinity. But Russia warned ... Our opinion is becoming more significant every year and with every step it is NECESSARY.
    18. +5
      23 January 2013 13: 53
      And it’s possible that the West is quietly moving away from Syria, and Mali is an old topic that is convenient to move on. Still, our ships in the Mediterranean gave a signal - this is our cow and we milk it. And Lavrov correctly answered, you have your own, here it spud ... smile
    19. +8
      23 January 2013 14: 48
      The French will be hard to break out of Mali. It is unlikely to be able to achieve a sustainable solution to the problem in a reasonable amount of time.
      As Bonaparte said, "It's just leaning on the bayonets. It's hard when you have to sit on it."
    20. alex popov
      +2
      23 January 2013 15: 30
      The French valiantly getting involved in another squabble simply went around the world with an outstretched hand: "... good people, help anyone with what they can ... the transport worker is there, with missiles ... we are not local ... there is nothing special to fight ... BUT WANT VERY MUCH..." ??? The transfer of troops and the supply of weapons is in progress ... by the forces of the United States and England? Did it seem to me alone or is it really there?
    21. VoStattik
      +3
      23 January 2013 16: 09
      The French themselves are creating problems.
    22. +4
      23 January 2013 17: 10
      In Mali: for gold, iron ore, manganese, polymetals, tin, bauxite, lithium, uranium, diamonds and phosphorites?
      I'm on my way!



      Brothers, it's time for us to go to the Sorbonne, there they take without entrance exams!


      Tuaregs at the Sorbonne?
    23. 0
      23 January 2013 17: 19
      They climbed there for the sake of wealth, They will take rich deposits under control, they will launch their development and production companies there and that’s all. On this their war with the Islamists will end. These areas and columns with resources will be guarded. They’ll earn money, and they’ll raise ratings
      1. Kievan
        +4
        23 January 2013 20: 04
        Quote: JonnyT
        They climbed there for the sake of wealth, They take rich deposits under control, they launch their development and production companies there, and that’s all

        Did you study history at school? They are already there for 150 years. Both companies and French troops ...
        1. +4
          23 January 2013 22: 23
          Kievan

          Have you studied history?

          - In what year did the Republic of Mali gain independence?
          - In what year did the president of Mali announce the building of socialism and close ties were established with the USSR and the Warsaw Pact countries?
          Quote: Kievite
          They are already there for 150 years. Both companies and French troops ...


          yeah Yes sit down Kievan --- deuce!
          1. Kievan
            -1
            24 January 2013 00: 34
            And what does this "independence" have to do with it if they change these presidents as they want?
            It is enough to look at the map in the article - there are French military bases in every second "independent country" including Mali. Who are there in order to protect French interests and assets.
            The period of close ties with the USSR lasted there for only 8 years.

            Leave two for yourself.
            1. +1
              24 January 2013 15: 23
              Quote: Kievite
              They are already there for 150 years. Both companies and French troops ...

              Quote: Kievite
              every second "independent country" including Mali has French military bases.


              yeah, so those bases are standing - 150 years indestructible Yes


              Quote: Kievite
              And what does this "independence" have to do with it if they change these presidents as they want?


              don't know how to admit your mistakes?
    24. +1
      23 January 2013 17: 49
      The war will drag on for a long time, there will be many victims from France :(
    25. Kievan
      -2
      23 January 2013 20: 31
      "... war is better than peace, like day is better than night. During war, you live merrily: now you have a new rumor, then new news. And the world is like hibernation or paralysis: boring, empty, dreary ..." "Coriolanus" , W. Shakespeare
      Thanks to the French and Tuaregs for the new show in an exotic country ...
      1. +4
        23 January 2013 22: 24
        Quote: Kievite
        Thanks to the French and Tuaregs for the new show in an exotic country ...


        sometimes it's better to chew than talk. bully
        1. Kievan
          -5
          24 January 2013 00: 39
          Quote: Karlsonn
          sometimes it's better to chew than talk.

          In your case, it is better not to write.
          1. +2
            24 January 2013 15: 26
            Quote: Kievite
            In your case, it is better not to write.


            Quote: Kievite
            Thanks to the French and Tuaregs for the new show in an exotic country ...


            if war is a show for you belay and you say:
            - thank,
            it’s disgusting to correspond with you.
    26. +1
      23 January 2013 21: 57
      Any intervention in the civil war of the interventionists is very conducive to the massive transition of the previously neutral population to the side fighting with the interventionists. So, the government of Mali, the help of France did not add popularity.
    27. +1
      23 January 2013 23: 21
      He is strange, some kind of Western world .. kills himself.
    28. phantom359
      +1
      23 January 2013 23: 59
      Let them climb. The deeper the better.
    29. +1
      24 January 2013 02: 05
      It turns out that in order to grow wiser, you just need to slip in the toilet room with a diagnosis of diarrhea:
      "Clinton: The Arab Spring Turns Africa Into A Terrorist Haven"
      laughing
      http://vz.ru/news/2013/1/23/617172.html
    30. garik404
      +1
      24 January 2013 02: 13
      Photo of a soldier in Mali sparks controversy (Le Huffington Post, France)
      Lauren Provost


      Source http://inosmi.ru/world/20130123/204968845.html

      This photo spread all over the Internet. On January 21, AFP released a picture of a French soldier in Mali: his face was hidden by a skull bandana, which, according to users and the media, made him look like the character of the game Call of Duty.
      “Incredible”, “startling”, “chilling blood” photography ... Hot debate flared up around her, and the General Staff eventually even reacted to the comments. A day later, the photographer put an end to all hypotheses and told the story of the picture.

      The sensational photo was taken by Isuf Sanogo, who accompanied the French military in Niono Prefecture that day. As the AFP photographer said, “the story of this shot is far more banal than you might think.”

      Without staging

      “At that moment, a helicopter was landing nearby, which raised a huge cloud of dust,” the photographer tells the AFP blog. - All the nearby soldiers instinctively covered their faces with bandanas so as not to swallow the sand. It was evening. Rays of light pierced through the branches of trees and a cloud of dust lifted by a helicopter. The lighting was very beautiful. I noticed a soldier in a strange bandana, took a picture. At that moment, this scene did not seem to me particularly unusual or striking. The soldier did not pose. There is no production in this photo. The guy just stood, covering his face from dust, until the helicopter lands. In addition, no one tried to stop me from taking pictures. ”

      Isuf Sanogo said that he was surprised by the hype around his picture, especially since no French military made comments on this subject.


      "They try to have fun."

      According to the opinion of a photographer from Abidjan, who was sent to Mali at the beginning of the conflict, there is absolutely nothing shocking in a bandana with a skull. The press saw this as a connection between war and a video game, and Libération claims that the military wants to show that "he came to bear death." However, the reporter himself recalls that "the soldiers are working in difficult conditions." “They have to travel thousands of kilometers, so they try to somehow have fun,” Isuf Sanogo justifies them.

      The French soldier who was contacted at the Huffington Post, who is preparing to be sent to Mali, says the same thing. When he saw the picture, he was amused: “Soldiers very rarely pose in this way, but if a guy sees a photographer, why not play a little.” “I already took these pictures,” he says. “But this one is just great, the photographer tried.”

      “Inappropriate behavior”

      Whatever the quality of the photograph and the soldier’s behavior, the hype that rose around her on Monday caught the attention of the General Staff. “This behavior is unacceptable,” spokesman for the General Staff Thierry Burkhard said at a press conference.

      “This photo does not reflect what France is doing in Mali at the request of the Malian state,” and the attitude of French soldiers who “risk their lives,” he emphasized.

      When asked about possible penalties against the soldier appearing in the picture, he replied that his identity was “being established”. Isuf Sanogo, in turn, noted that he did not know who the soldier in the bandana was. “I hope that his identity will not be able to establish,” said the photographer. “I'm not even sure that he is aware of everything that people say about him!”

      Original publication: Photo du soldat français au foulard tête de mort: le photographe raconte l'histoire du cliché polémique http://www.huffingtonpost.fr/2013/01/22/photo-soldat-tete-mort-mali_n_2525589.ht
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    31. SIT
      +1
      24 January 2013 13: 28
      The French will again clear the way for democracy, as a result of which the same Muslim brothers as in Libya, Egypt, etc. will come to power by popular vote. In Libya, they were given a way from Gaddafi, In Egypt, it cost only "unknown snipers", here under the pretext of ending the civil war. The territory of the Wahhabi Arab Caliphate is growing ...
    32. Beck
      +2
      24 January 2013 14: 19
      Quote: SIT
      The French will again clear the way for democracy, as a result of which, by popular vote, the same Muslim brothers will come to power as in Libya, Egypt


      In Egypt - Yes. Muslim brothers came to power. But the elections were free. So the Egyptian people so want to live. And that is his business.

      In Libya, to the amazement of the world community, not Muslim parties, but liberal democrats won the free elections. So they also want to live like they made a choice.
      1. 0
        24 January 2013 22: 14
        For these nations, the West itself decides how to live. And the issue is not how the elections were held there: how much for, but how much against. If society is not ready, then the result is obvious. If the people have never chosen, then at times he will not learn. And on the other hand, it is a great love of the United States to impose its regimes on sovereign countries through a change of power there.
        And ask yourself why in the states with each new president, the system does not change after the election ...?
    33. fokino1980
      0
      24 January 2013 20: 48
      "Western rulers are like women. They will say one thing and then do the opposite. " excellently wrote and correctly noticed. The big politician is probably doing this. Or maybe they are not men who know them. P / S / I believe that I didn’t hurt someone’s feelings and the moderator will forgive me.
    34. bilgesez
      0
      24 January 2013 21: 06
      It’s time to already move the fighting to France.
    35. 0
      24 January 2013 22: 03
      This is their compensation for Libya and Syria. But in Mali, the Gauls are stuck for a long time.
    36. 0
      25 January 2013 02: 04
      France found adventure in its "second 90". To fight the Islamists at a time when at home a quarter of the country wants to wear a burqa? It also seems to me that this is for a long time.
      The positive in this is the weakening pressure on Syria.
    37. Hayots
      0
      25 January 2013 05: 59
      France sent the latest Rafale fighters to Mali

      http://www.military-informant.com/index.php/airforce/2436-rafale-mali.html#.UQHj
      NCc3gq0

      Guys, there’s a complete mess .... whatever they write in the articles ...

      I remember a couple of years ago in Cote divoire the same foreign regiment which is now in Mali (it was transferred from Cote dIvoire), smashed the Presidential Palace to pieces and smashed all its supporters ... and the Franks put their man in power there ... So what, what ... But they have practice in Africa))
    38. 0
      26 January 2013 04: 29
      And I’m still waiting for the Africans to begin to slaughter the Europeans in their Europe for all the .. that they did to them. Can you imagine the mortar obsrel Mon-Matra? And the blown up Eiffel Tower?
    39. OlegYugan
      0
      26 January 2013 21: 03
      The situation with the Tuaregs reminds me of the situation with the Kurds. Both those and these want their state!
      Now, and Tuaregah - The fact that they are not Islamists from Al Qaeda is a fact. Although yes, at first they were with them for one thing - but they seem to have changed their minds. Now imagine the situation that the French agree with the Tuaregs !!!!! And all partisanism is the end. So if the French are not complete D ..... s, and they are not.
      I think Blitz Krieg is provided with them. In addition, there are also analysts in the Champs Elysees! So the situation on the overthrow of Gaddafi, they probably pumped. And they are ready for this war.

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