China buys a series of Russian bombers capable of destroying American ships

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Chinese websites reaffirmed that Russia agreed to sell Beijing a series of Tu-22М3 bombers for 1.5 a billion dollars.

After entering the service in the military forces of China, Tu-22М3 will receive a new name “H-10”.

The agreement between Russia and China includes the supply of 36 aircraft: the first batch of 12 and the second of 24 bombers.

Tu-22 will be aimed at attacks from the sea and will be used to destroy targets from low altitude in order to avoid detection by radar.

The Tu-22 is a Soviet supersonic strategic strike bomber with variable wing geometry and long-range action. It was developed during the Cold War and is among the planes closest to the concept of "stealth bomber." It will be upgraded by some Chinese combat systems and will receive an increased range, allowing it to be a significant threat to many modern weapons systems.

This will be even more true if Russia agrees to supply China with X-22 Rainbow (AS-4 "Kitchen") long-range anti-ship missiles, in which case this may be a significant change in the strategic balance of forces in the region.

Bombers Tu-22 will give China another useful tool in achieving the strategic control objectives of the South China Sea and the Pacific Theater; mobile platform for launching cruise missiles, conventional and nuclear weapons in various scenarios of war in this zone.

Or in other words - will become a new and powerful threat to the forces of the Navy fleet USA in this region.
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  1. +2
    January 22 2013
    Interestingly it will be a remake or old ones sorted out?
    1. Vanek
      +2
      January 22 2013
      It’s interesting to me too, but how many do we have with ourselves?
      1. +7
        January 22 2013
        It was developed during the Cold War and is one of the planes closest to the concept of "stealth bomber."
        Aircraft of the Tu-22M series are made according to the normal aerodynamic design of a free-bearing low-wing with a variable sweep wing. The construction is mainly made of aluminum alloys V-95 and AK-8, as well as steel 30KhGSA, 30KhGSNA and magnesium Ml5-T4
        WHERE N ... AH "stealth"?
        It will be modernized by some Chinese combat systems and will receive an increased range, which will allow it to be a significant threat to many modern weapons systems.
        Combat radius with a load of 12 kg:
        at supersonic speed: 1500-1850 km. at subsonic speed and extremely low altitude: 1500-1650 km. on subsonic mixed profile: 2410 km
        Isn't that enough?

        In total, 268 Tu-22M3 were built at the Kazan Aviation Production Association.
        The Russian Air Force had up to 70 Tu-22M3 aircraft, 83 aircraft were at the disposal of the aircraft of the Russian Navy. All conditionally operational (prepared for a single distillation)

        march on the face of a duck in its purest form.
        Although the modernization needs money!
        1. +2
          January 22 2013
          The Chinese regularly declare either the purchase of Tu-22M production lines or the purchase of the machines themselves. The situation will clear up soon, but it looks like just a throw-in. Although it's funny ... Hindus - Vikramaditya, Chinese - a means of fighting him. Straight yin and yang. Only now you need to take care of your cars for yourself, maximizing their resource and modernizing them. On the other hand, the delivery of Tu-22M to China is also an unpleasant surprise for the Americans. They seem to be going to relocate half of the aircraft carriers to the Pacific Ocean. And here not 20-30 cars are important for the Chinese, but the production technology. In order to disassemble, study and build some kind of based on. Such is the "export of technology" in "hardware". It would be more profitable for us to sell licenses for the use of certain technologies. Here both volume and quality are in our hands. However, there is little information. We are waiting for confirmation / refutation and explanations
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +1
            January 22 2013
            Quote: Bronis
            The Chinese regularly declare either the purchase of Tu-22M production lines, or the purchase of the machines themselves


            You can put anything you want. At least a question .. at least .... what ..... There are no production lines whatsoever .... NO!
            1. Igorboss16
              +1
              January 22 2013
              Yes, the way it is in fact, the main production at the Tu 214 plant (special flange), and with the help of God, the Tu 160 is modernized, and with the Tu-22m3, unfortunately, everything is zero request
        2. +3
          January 22 2013
          Quote: Papakiko
          All conditionally operational (prepared for a single distillation)

          Here the VAF is needed to clarify how much and what, but judging by the Google maps, we have them. And how ready the hell knows. It was good in the USSR, we did not even think about this issue. Everyone saw that the planes were flying and knew about their combat readiness. Although the information at that time was several times less request
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +6
            January 22 2013
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Here VAF is needed to clarify how much and what


            Sanya. Hello! I've come! Yes, we have. but how much and why ... sorry brother ..... the plane is in service. although what a secret ... the secret of the General!

            About readiness (combat readiness) is the same ..... although this year I promise to drive 10 pieces through repair and modernization!
            1. FID
              +4
              January 22 2013
              Hello, Alexander and Sergey! Hi friends! 10 pieces have already been driven, but in a year they will have time or not - this is a question. At KAPO they did not hear anything about it ... but OUR STATE is something. I won’t be surprised at anything, but I promise that if I find out something, I will let you know right away!
              1. +2
                January 22 2013
                Quote: SSI

                Hello, Alexander and Sergey! Hi friends! 10 pieces have already been driven,

                hi Sergey, yes, I just did mean what and how much we are ready for battle. Serega doesn’t want to reveal the state secret, so we sit and think laughing
                1. FID
                  +10
                  January 22 2013
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  what and how much we are ready for.

                  150 Tu-22M3, as of 2012. In February 2012, a contract was signed to upgrade 30 Tu-22M3 to the level of Tu-22M3M
                  This is the payroll from open sources, the combat readiness is about 20 percent, I think so. At the very bottom, I also provided information.
                  1. VAF
                    VAF
                    +4
                    January 22 2013
                    Quote: SSI
                    150 Tu-22M3, as of 2012.


                    You see the same "fan" showed up, already missed-correcting, +! soldier
                    1. FID
                      +3
                      January 22 2013
                      Yes, attention to the pseudo-patriots .... Some talk - you need to work. I wonder where they work themselves. Do you think I overstated the level? According to my calculations, there’s only one, well, the sweat regiment is ready.
                      1. VAF
                        VAF
                        +3
                        January 22 2013
                        Quote: SSI
                        You think


                        Seryoga, I know bully

                        Quote: SSI
                        I overstated the level?


                        Definitely for UBP, but for real databases ..... underestimated greatly!

                        Quote: SSI
                        According to my calculations, there’s only one, well, the sweat regiment is ready.


                        Less, but combat-ready ... more. that's just where on combat-ready crews to recruit and are precisely combat-ready! request

                        Take Diaghilev's photo ... with the Soletskys ... "remains"!

                2. VAF
                  VAF
                  +1
                  January 22 2013
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Serega does not want to reveal the state secret, so we sit and think laughing


                  Sanya. and what to think. I wrote there below in response to one member of the forum ... all that remained at that time was the 2nd division of the 2nd regimental composition, including the "remnants" from the MPA transferred to them ...

                  And about "combat-ready" ...... this is Seryoga .... "overestimated" the level., In fact ... less! The main "trouble" .... engines! crying

                  1. +2
                    January 22 2013
                    Quote: vaf
                    ... and what to think. I wrote there below in an answer to one member of the forum ... only the 2nd division of the 2nd regimental composition remained at that time, including the "remnants" from the MPA transferred to them ...

                    Sergey, yes I looked like that
                    there, there are 30 of them standing near Severodvinsk, but in what readiness request
                    1. FID
                      +4
                      January 22 2013
                      This is Deer. They fly, they fly
                    2. VAF
                      VAF
                      +2
                      January 22 2013
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      there are 30 of them standing near Severodvinsk, but in what readiness


                      Sanya .. maybe Severomorsk, not Severodvinsk wink so these are the "leftovers" from the Deer ... "all are" dead "!
                      1. FID
                        +3
                        January 22 2013
                        In 2010 they flew. I brought the video.
                      2. VAF
                        VAF
                        +3
                        January 22 2013
                        Quote: SSI
                        In 2010 they flew. I brought the video.


                        Seryoga ..... these are ... absolutely "extreme" flights of the remnants of the 5th mrad, specifically the 924 regiment, at the end of 2009 ..... "reformed" together with the division! And the Lakhtinsky 574 regiment was "reformed" 2 years earlier crying

                      3. +1
                        January 23 2013
                        Quote: vaf

                        Sanya .. maybe Severomorsk, not Severodvinsk, so this is the "remnants" of Olenya ... "all are" dead "!

                        Serega, look at the airfield yourself, compared to others, it’s very neat, everything is neat and lively hi And next to two more with dryers, not everything Serdyukov managed to take out, and by the way the strip on one fresh.
                      4. VAF
                        VAF
                        +1
                        January 23 2013
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Serega, look at the airfield yourself, compared to others, it’s very neat, everything is neat and lively


                        Sanya, I watched not so long ago ... live. There everything is on conservation and the commandant’s office is watching and there is even a central distribution board, because. working airfield!

                        after all, the term "dead" is a machine with a depleted or minimal resource, but "killed". so yes ..... take a photo of the vozdvizhenka. that's where all the "KILLED" crying

                        And the fact that "next" is Kilpy and Monchegorsrk. so everything is working there. Kilps constantly use the Su-27 (from Besovets - not long ago I told and showed everything on this topic, where, how many and whose "remnants"), and Monchegorsk is the patrimony of the MiG-31-x (formerly the Su-15TM and MiG-25 -e), well, the "Shatal" MiG-25RU, is very often used by all types and kinds of the Air Force, even Bears and Swans come in! bully
      2. Nikita
        +5
        January 22 2013
        Please explain smart people, otherwise I still don’t understand why to sell weapons to other countries, about the defensive I still understand why, but here’s offensive! ??? it’s just that same weapon and then against us, if suddenly a conflict happens.
        1. Nastya
          +2
          January 22 2013
          Will not happen. If you pay money, you can sell it, otherwise others will sell it. All the same, they will not be able to copy in full, and the proceeds can be spent on their own Air Force.

          Everyone does it - both Europeans and Americans.
          1. +9
            January 22 2013
            Quote: Nastenka
            Will not happen. If you pay money, you can sell it, otherwise others will sell it.

            Sorry, but who will sell it? Americans their B-1B? laughing Or B-2 laughing laughing
            Remind me which country has an analogue of the Tu-22M3?
            1. Nastya
              -1
              January 22 2013
              B-1 and B-2 is a separate song. Tu-160 is also not given to anyone.

              And what is so incredible about the Tu-22?
              1. +6
                January 22 2013
                at least no other country has anything like this complex request
                1. Nastya
                  -12
                  January 22 2013
                  There is nothing that he can do, but the F-15E, F-111 (it's a pity that they sawed it) or B-1 cannot.
                  1. VAF
                    VAF
                    +3
                    January 22 2013
                    Quote: Nastenka
                    There is nothing that he can do, but F-15E, F-111 cannot


                    Well, that’s you for sure ... in vain! wassat
                  2. +4
                    January 22 2013
                    you need to put it on the list for everyone .... the guy who is hiding under the girl
                  3. 0
                    January 22 2013
                    Young lady - learn the mate part .... they compared it somehow .... you yourself know that - with a finger ..... if you list aircraft to at least one of you, pick up something like the X-22, - he will never take off in his life .... and RCC like Harpoon with X-22 is not ethical to compare,
                    Moreover, the F-15 is not a carrier of anti-ship missiles .... and the F-111 is not in service as a strike aircraft in the United States ... B-1 is also not a carrier of anti-ship missiles, and with a speed of M = 1.2 - maximum - for an airplane he will not pull a breakthrough - a banal bomb truck. so that - not at all ....
            2. FID
              +4
              January 22 2013
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Remind me which country has an analogue of the Tu-22M3?

              There are no analogues, and probably will not.
              1. +2
                January 22 2013
                Quote: SSI
                There are no analogues, and probably will not.

                So I just hinted at this very ... "subtly", but it seems they did not understand me :)))))
          2. +3
            January 22 2013
            Nastenkaaa! ku.rvaaaa !!! you are here again. start to ban. guys this doo.ru in the furnace
            1. Nastya
              -1
              January 22 2013
              Be calm, boy. laughing
              1. 0
                January 22 2013
                But what, will you complain to an American court? laughing let's blow on the site fu-35 and finish it. rrrrrrr laughing
              2. +1
                January 22 2013
                Quote: Nastenka
                Be calm, boy.

                Nastenka. Yes, hammer it on him, you posted a picture there, but she’s in a mask. I’m just collecting them, maybe I’ll sell them wink
              3. 0
                January 22 2013
                But what, will you complain to an American court? they will not let me into your homeland? crying
    2. Nastya
      +10
      January 22 2013
      They are not being made yet and will not be made. Production has been stopped for a very long time, and it is very difficult to revive it, besides, modernization must be carried out, plants must be sought, and much more.

      If this is not a duck, then we will sell it either from the Air Force, which is very unlikely, or from storage, but then the Chinese will simply take and copy it.
      1. djon3volta
        +3
        January 22 2013
        Quote: Nastenka
        but then the Chinese will just take and copy.

        what they have been doing for the rest of their lives. They sorted out someone else's cogs, copied them, made them at their factory on copied or bought machines, so there are no brains to make.
        1. -1
          January 22 2013
          О "+"и "-" Tu - 22 has already been said on the pages of this site. Not an easy to operate machine. It was a plane for the Navy.
          Aged morally. Yes, there is no replacement Today.
          But the boom is to hope that the proceeds will create something new for naval aviation.
          Or maybe focus on anti-ship rockets and coastal missile systems ?!
          1. Nastya
            +4
            January 22 2013
            The Tu-22 can still be patched for about 30 years. In the USA, the B-52 has already been exchanged for fifty dollars and will last as many more, so that replacement is not needed yet, as I consider it, only modernization.
          2. Igorboss16
            +3
            January 22 2013
            You didn’t understand what was going on:
            article was about this plane

            and at the moment we are talking about this:

            and about any obsolescence for that 22m we can’t talk in principle
            1. Nastya
              -1
              January 22 2013
              First beaten reference wink
            2. Nastya
              +1
              January 22 2013
              The first is a museum exhibit, and if the Chinese buy it, it will be just happiness. Even if the price of scrap metal.

              The Tu-22M is also almost all outdated in 30 years, and repair and modernization is on a teaspoon.
              1. +2
                January 22 2013
                Quote: Nastenka
                Nastya

                Nastya, well, you’ll throw off my coordinates, I just incredibly want to look at the one that is so interested in airplanes. I’m all in impatience wink
                1. Nastya
                  -2
                  January 22 2013
                  I already showed my photo yesterday.
                  1. +2
                    January 22 2013
                    Quote: Nastenka

                    I already showed my photo yesterday

                    I saw and intrigued wink
                    1. +3
                      January 22 2013
                      Oh Sasha, and you are a womanizer lol
                2. +5
                  January 22 2013
                  I do not advise, this is a kid
                  1. +2
                    January 22 2013
                    Quote: afire
                    I do not advise, this is a kid

                    Well, so I want to either be convinced of this or ......... look at a beautiful face without a mask. Nastya, drop the coordinates, in any case, you can drive me if you need to drive something to the social network in the emergency and there are no problems, Nastya AU
            3. +1
              January 22 2013
              Russia - 150 Tu-22M3, as of 2012.
              In February 2012, a contract was signed to upgrade 30 Tu-22M3 to the level of Tu-22M3M.
              For 2012, one aircraft was converted, which is undergoing a set of tests.
              By 2020, it is planned to upgrade 30 (Tu-22M3 with upgraded avionics and the ability to use high-precision air-to-surface weapons (UR X-32))
              As can be seen from the development prospects, they want to leave 30 aircraft, and the rest to sell.,
              Modifications -22M4; -22M5 did not stand on the wing. The project is closed. Only modernization work of the project -22M3 is carried out.
            4. 0
              January 22 2013
              I doubt that even the Chinese will want to buy a Tu-22 ..... of course, it’s logical after the Tu-16 ... but have no mind, does anyone need to put it in a museum .... and they write everywhere about the M3 (though here or desa - xs)
      2. Igorboss16
        +3
        January 22 2013
        At our KAPO plant there are several Tu 22m2 and are waiting for modernization to M3, but at the current pace of construction and lack of staff, the delivery of new cars is just fantastic
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +2
          January 22 2013
          Quote: Igorboss16
          at the KAPO plant there are several Tu 22m2 and are waiting for modernization to M3


          Write carefully - not M2, but M3 and wait .. "upgrade" to the M3M level.

          And M2 .. only in a museum or monuments

          here is just an example ... of such an M2, in Shaikovka. 52nd Guards and the plane was received back in 1982 from Poltava 185 Guards.

          1. Igorboss16
            0
            January 22 2013
            No, I’m not mistaken, it’s M2), only their remains are there), I recognized him from the air intakes, I hint that at the current level of production, to M3M as to Moscow ......
            there are more than 15 Tu 22M3 boards, but again no progress is planned request while the warriors just walk and shrug their shoulders
            1. 0
              January 23 2013
              I doubt the rationality of reworking M2 into M3 - it’s easier to make a new one, different in weight and other characteristics, especially if there are 150 M3 - even if they were pumped .... (and the glider is older in age and state, too, they are not store in warehouses)
              1. Igorboss16
                +1
                January 23 2013
                Yes, no questions, of course they will send the remains from M2 to the scrap, I doubt that they will upgrade two of the 2 -22m3 standing in the next workshop soon, and they will laugh about the new ones for China, I will say this to the men in the workshop laughing
      3. +2
        January 22 2013
        I hope that still a duck. For so far, only 30 boards intend to upgrade for themselves. China is not a country where such weapons can be sold. Let not new.
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +1
          January 22 2013
          Quote: Bronis
          For so far, only 30 boards intend to upgrade for themselves.


          Because by that time, only these 30 will be "alive", ie. in a state of airworthiness, that's all!
          1. +1
            January 22 2013
            Forced to agree, for it is so. Fundamentally, the numbers will not change ... even if you want.
      4. 0
        January 22 2013
        how did you not write about America in good comments. do you still end up on fu-35?
    3. 0
      January 22 2013
      I think it's Duck, These machines are in a system of contracts with the United States, Refueling systems were removed from them, So it's not so simple,
    4. +1
      January 22 2013
      Yes, it’s a duck - there was already such news, and neither the Foreign Ministry nor Rosoboronexport confirmed anything
      1. Vanek
        +1
        January 22 2013
        In theirs there, the conflict is brewing, sort of. Although they can manage without a strategy. China on the way to the west coast of the United States will sweep away everything that gets in the way.
        1. +2
          January 22 2013
          China on the way to the west coast of the United States will sweep away everything that gets in the way.

          I really doubt very much that at sea China will be able to sweep AUGs. So far, he only scares the amers with his ICBMs, which, like, can get into an aircraft carrier. But there is no evidence for this, for there are no guidance systems for ICBMs on a MOBILE target.
          And the Chinese fleet, although increasing in number, is not very good. Frigates and destroyers are being stamped, but firstly, no one has seen them in business, and secondly, American officers, having "stayed" on these ships, were very skeptical about the survivability system. More precisely, the absence of such.
          So our Tu-22 would be very necessary for the Chinese, but ... where to get them? request
    5. +3
      January 22 2013
      Quote: dm98
      Interestingly it will be a remake or old ones sorted out?


      They will not sort it out and will not do new ones. because it smells of ducklings hastily fried. Someone decided to feed ducklings with forum users today.
      1. +3
        January 22 2013
        Quote: alexneg
        because it smells of ducklings hastily fried.

        Good health, Alexander Ivanovich! Well, so the source http://mixednews.ru painfully doubtful, wait and see. Googled - almost the same thing everywhere:
        Chinese websites reaffirmed that Russia agreed to sell Beijing a series of Tu-22M3 bombers for 1.5 billion dollars. what
      2. VAF
        VAF
        +2
        January 22 2013
        Quote: alexneg
        that smells of ducklings hastily fried.


        Alexander, +! Very accurately noticed, especially on HOPE good
    6. +1
      January 22 2013
      But am I interested in the Tu-22 or all the same the Tu-22M3? as it is not clearly written.
      1. Nastya
        0
        January 22 2013
        Obviously M3, because the Tu-22 are standing firewood as museum exhibits.
      2. VAF
        VAF
        +3
        January 22 2013
        Quote: Hauptmann Emil
        But I'm interested in the Tu-22


        Aircraft Tu-22 has not been mass-produced for 44 years !!!!
    7. avt
      0
      January 22 2013
      Quote: dm98
      Interestingly it will be a remake or old ones sorted out?

      Actually, the second time stuffing on this topic! Hike the Chinese desperately need a strategist, at least some. It's not enough for us ourselves! All the TU-22Ms were taken away from the sailors and given to the strategists. Fuck them and not "bricks" themselves are not enough!
    8. 0
      January 22 2013
      Where did we get a remake? It seems that the brains of the managers from Rosoboronexport completely swam - they decided to drive the latter over the hill. And what do we stay with in the Far East?
      In short, give your wife to uncle, and go to b ... di.
      No, I don’t see any explanations for this garbage, except for a dumb drank.
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +3
        January 22 2013
        Quote: Botanologist
        It seems that the brains of the managers from Rosoboronexport completely swam - they decided to drive the latter over the hill


        never mind ..... this .. the "hat" is full. and especially about ...... "anti-ship" missiles wassat +!
        1. +1
          January 22 2013
          this .. the "hat" is complete.

          Uffffff. Let go drinks
  2. +11
    January 22 2013
    "This would be even more true if Russia agrees to also supply China with long-range anti-ship missiles KX-22 Raduga (AS-4" Kitchen "), in which case it could be a significant change in the strategic balance of power in the region."

    But this is not necessary. wink
    1. Gemar
      +8
      January 22 2013
      This will be even more true if Russia agrees to supply China with X-22 Rainbow (AS-4 "Kitchen") long-range anti-ship missiles, in which case this may be a significant change in the strategic balance of forces in the region.
      I read this and realized that the article was really just translated from Chinese. Most likely, the Chinese simply wishful thinking.
      Here are some more examples of "justice" in Chinese:
      - This will be true if Russia stops hindering the development of oil and gas resources by the Chinese in the Russian Federation. Since they themselves cannot develop the wealth of their bowels, then Great China is obliged to help them in this.
      - It will be fair if Russia returns the illegally appropriated northern territories (up to the Urals).
      - It will be fair if the Russians remove all weapons away from the border with China. Russia needs a strong China.

      These are just some examples of "justice" that I have heard from the Chinese over the course of eight years of their life in the PRC. Those. about "fair" copying of Soviet / Russian technologies, according to the Chinese, BARGAINING IS INAPPROPRIATE!
      If our "beloved" government really sells those to the Chinese. the documentation for the Tu-22M3 or the planes themselves, I ................... no further censorship will pass.
      Yes, and the FSB does not sleep ...
      ENOUGH TO ARMS OUR FIRST ENEMY! NO SOUTHERN TERRITORIES ARE NEEDED TO THEM! There are few resources, a lot of population. But Siberia and the Far East have incredible wealth! The population of the Far East will not be enough even for a month of war with China (this is despite the fact that PAK-FA is produced in Komsomolsk-on-Amur).
      God forbid, traitors stand at the head of the state. Then we definitely lost the Far East!
      GLORY TO RUSSIA! soldier
      1. Guun
        +2
        January 22 2013
        Quote: Gamar
        ENOUGH TO ARMS OUR FIRST ENEMY!

        But where were the United States and NATO divided? Or are they friends already? From China, there has been no imposition of their will on other countries in the blatant manner that the United States does. China has fought few wars against its neighbors compared to the United States. The United States is and will be the first enemy of the Russian Federation and west.
        1. homeland
          +1
          January 23 2013
          Still waters run deep.
    2. 0
      January 23 2013
      A rainbow is a design bureau, the Kh-22 Storm project (not to be confused with the Lavochkin design of a battery)
  3. SSR
    +2
    January 22 2013
    I think it's "Duck".
    1. +5
      January 22 2013
      Or they feel the reaction, both ours and Western.
      1. SSR
        +1
        January 22 2013
        most likely ... Strategists are not "scattered" like that.
        1. 0
          January 22 2013
          Well, just like babies, the Yankees have accurate information about all the carcasses he is in the contract, This is a clean duck,
  4. damba
    +3
    January 22 2013
    interestingly maybe we should immediately give them the first Pak FA Pavrtia and give everything else Tu-160
    1. Nastya
      +2
      January 22 2013
      No, even the Su-35 has not yet been sold.
      1. Tjumenec72
        +2
        January 22 2013
        The Chinese do not coax into a large batch) all the more so because they only need an engine ...
        1. 0
          January 22 2013
          yes - so long as they haven’t learned how to do engines - you can sleep peacefully .. but this is just around the corner ....
  5. Dipsy
    0
    January 22 2013
    yes let's give China good rockets
    they certainly will not be able to copy, then produce, and sell instead of us.
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +2
      January 22 2013
      Quote: Dipsy
      yes let's give China good rockets


      Something, dear, you are late .. however ..... wassat

      Already a long time ago ........ "gave away" and the plane



      and to him and the rocket (I hope it is clear that this is our 31st? wink )





      And they ... the Chinese ... "made" .. "their" plane and their own rocket



      "Chinese" lol supersonic air-to-surface missile YJ-12.

  6. -1
    January 22 2013
    Let the Chinese install a refueling system on them and deliver it to us.
  7. +4
    January 22 2013
    where the world is heading! ?? - it is not enough for them "to give"! ?????? yes, and so soon there will be no justice for them ........ complete idiocy to give them into their hands what
  8. Fost325
    +3
    January 22 2013
    If the information is reliable, then I don’t know how about the United States, but Japan will definitely need to filter the market, suddenly the Chinese will understand something wrong and ..... oops ...... fellow ... to pubs !!!
    1. 0
      January 23 2013
      Quote: Fost325
      If the information is reliable, then I don’t know how about the United States, but Japan will definitely need to filter the market

      Yes, and the Jews, too, I think the Chinese will not slander the clones for Iran too. If the information on the sale of these planes is confirmed, perhaps this will mean that we are witnessing the formation of a new anti-NATO alliance.
  9. 0
    January 22 2013
    strategic strike bomber


    It will be more correct - Euro-strategic! Intercontinental range only with refueling.
    1. 0
      January 22 2013
      Well, so the problem is to refuel! ???? laughing and a rocket is easier than an intercontinental one, because the carrier is the carrier, and wide-eyed people will have nothing to launch from it yet, and first they need to fly ... the distance is not small, they will just mingle for a long time, while they invent something like that - let them torment, and they’ll finalize it, and get that one look at a good car, then argue with them for a piece of land - and they are no worse than the Japanese in this regard .... especially since they don’t need refueling to Russia
  10. +1
    January 22 2013
    lollko burn slanting verb.
  11. solidol
    0
    January 22 2013
    Most likely old .... If they are .... The price is very symbolic ...
  12. demon ada
    -1
    January 22 2013
    if remodels then the news is very good.
    reliable old proven machines.
    for china the most it.
    will not be able to sell to third countries (there is simply no reason to sell it somewhere)
    Against the background of the development of PAK DA, a reasonable and correct solution.
    1. +2
      January 22 2013
      well, yes - the pack and only on paper, they’ll have time to cancel it ten more times ... and the neighbors will stamp it out a couple of hundred, and then wave it away from them .... the car is still formidable, and if a little modernize (more than sure that the Chinese will do so), then its effectiveness will increase by an order of magnitude, and you can tell them as much as you want and PAK FA, and about PAK YES, and about the S-500 you can mention .... less than 10 copies of semi-finished Dry and that's it .... .
  13. fenix57
    0
    January 22 2013
    Seriously, the Chinese authorities are getting down to business. TU22M3: crew of 4 people:
    commander
    assistant commander
    navigator navigator
    navigator operator
    Wingspan:
    with sweep (20 °): 34,28 m
    with sweep (65 °): 23,30 m
    Length: 42,46 m of the last series and 42,16 of the first series
    Height: 11,05 m. 11.08 of the first series
    Wing area:
    with sweep (20 °): 183,57 m²
    with sweep (65 °): 175,80 m²
    Weight:
    empty aircraft: 68000 kg
    normal take-off: 112000 kg
    maximum take-off: 126000 kg
    fuel mass: 53550 kg
    Wing load:
    with normal take-off weight: 610 kg / m²
    at maximum take-off weight: 686 kg / m²
  14. djon3volta
    -2
    January 22 2013
    it confirms once again - that China cannot construct anything himself and run into the series. and it will not be able for many more decades. All of their achievements are copies and old developments of the USSR and other countries. There is nothing except for the invention of paper.
    1. Nastya
      +3
      January 22 2013
      Everything is so, in general. Although they have succeeded in creating gliders and drawings in Photoshop.
      1. +1
        January 22 2013
        but they mastered the Su-33 after all, so not everything is so bad in the Middle Kingdom ....
    2. +1
      January 22 2013
      they learn quickly, and if they start to do everything themselves - then it will be scary
      1. djon3volta
        0
        January 22 2013
        Quote: Dart Weyder
        and if they start to do everything themselves - then it will be scary

        when will they start? well, when? laughing yesterday, there was an article by Sivkov that their entire army was simply fiction wassat it is said that if they trample against the Yaps, even without the help of the United States, the Chinese will not last long. And against the Russians, they will even go to war .. of course, they will execute the command "forward" with their patriotism, but they will be like in this cartoon wassat
        1. +2
          January 22 2013
          a fool - with a thought * gets richer ..... (* - that is, thoughts) cap-hatred has not brought anyone to good ...
    3. Tjumenec72
      +1
      January 22 2013
      Not a fact.
      They have a lot of money (tied to the dollar - you need to urgently need to spend).
      It is possible and necessary to design it yourself, but if it comes out cheaper to buy?
      To copy (to adopt experience) and not to repeat mistakes (not to spend no money on this).
      1. Gemar
        +2
        January 22 2013
        Quote: Tjumenec72
        They have a lot of money (tied to the dollar - you need to urgently need to spend)

        RMB (renminbi, yuan) - its price is regulated exclusively by the Central Bank of the PRC, at the direction of the CPC of the PRC. If he was pegged to the dollar, the Americans would be in seventh heaven. Urgently need to spend a dollar, because China has the largest dollar reserves. They have already transferred a third of the reserves in euros, a third in other currencies. And, even after that, there are almost more dollars in the PRC than in the United States itself.
        Recently, China has purchased an incredible amount of gold. Plus the largest reserves of ferrous metals are also in the PRC. Now the pricing of these resources depends entirely on the "Chinese uncle".
        1. Tjumenec72
          0
          January 22 2013
          Here on those remaining dollars and buying, what lies bad)
  15. mamba
    +2
    January 22 2013
    The agreement between Russia and China includes the supply of 36 aircraft.
    China will not buy the old, but are we able to produce new in such quantities? Yes, and we ourselves would be nice to update our fleet of these aircraft. As far as I remember, we only have about 40 of them.
    After the defeat of Wrangel's army, he said: "We sharpened their blades ..." No matter how we had to philosophize in the same way ... recourse
    1. Nastya
      +2
      January 22 2013
      This news is a clear duck, but the Chinese are just junk and can save, because there are no new ones for export. in nature it cannot be. If you build the Tu - 22mZ (Chinese) - the program will cost a huge amount, the revival of production is still the same.
      1. +6
        January 22 2013
        Well, with "Old Man" - are you with a fever !? Or have we already started to produce this !?

        belay
        1. demon ada
          +6
          January 22 2013
          I'm sorry it's GOZ for 2120.))))
        2. Nastya
          +1
          January 22 2013
          It is out of date without modernization. Without a modern avionics and general repair, all of many of them remained in the 80s.
          1. +3
            January 22 2013
            but YUSYs didn’t upgrade all B-1s either, and it’s okay, although the Tu-22M3 especially has anti-ship functions, it can’t boast about the B-1 ... and pumping a car would be a desire or incentive that could be thrown in case of exacerbation. .. nevertheless, better than nothing ... the enemy fleet in close proximity to the mainland can be kept in suspense at a decent distance ... even with the old Tu-22M3 and its X-22
            1. Nastya
              0
              January 22 2013
              The fact of the matter is that the Tu-22 is very highly specialized. Normal operation on WTO ground requires normal avionics. You need to pump all Tu-22Ms to the normal level, otherwise they will be "aircraft carrier killers" in the 21st century.
              1. +1
                January 22 2013
                !? and the Kh-22NA, adopted in 1976, is an inertial control system with correction according to the terrain, accuracy of pointing up to several meters.
                X-22P, adopted in 1976, has a passive homing system (induced by radiation from enemy radio equipment). In this version, a warhead with a conventional charge of slightly reduced power was installed.! ?????????? Ali doesn’t count! ???? to fit into modern analogs of course it is also necessary .... but do not insult you so limited


                and what do you think "Pump to normal level"! ???? and why All Tu-22M! ??? all is not necessary - only M3 ....... in my opinion "Killer of aircraft carriers" - already sounds good and very few people can boast of such in aviation ... request
                1. Nastya
                  +1
                  January 22 2013
                  Nobody needs to kill aircraft carriers anymore; the Third World War was canceled, sort of.

                  Tu-22M needs to be made a normal multi-purpose aircraft, with normal LTPS and the ability to work on the ground with modern weapons.

                  In fact, we have an aircraft from the Cold War era that is suitable only for its tasks - anti-ship, which is not needed today. It’s very expensive to have a whole fleet of aircraft for such specialization.
                  1. 0
                    January 22 2013
                    justify Nastya why not kill AUG. are you now writing the military doctrine of Russia? but we can dissolve the army. because the world is now. with whom do we fight
                  2. +1
                    January 22 2013
                    Nobody needs to kill aircraft carriers anymore; the Third World War was canceled

                    No need to kill AUG. But it is very necessary that everyone knows that we have something to kill them with. We are not going to use ICBMs, but the fact of their presence is very useful. It makes you think about the consequences.
                  3. VAF
                    VAF
                    +2
                    January 22 2013
                    Quote: Nastenka
                    Tu-22M needs to be made a normal multi-purpose aircraft,


                    Not right ........ only a missile carrier!

                    And as a "bomber". it's only with the Papuans! Although they already have MANPADS.

                    The aircraft has very severe restrictions on operational overloads and which LTPS or LD do not set ..... nothing good will come of it.

                    Quote: Nastenka
                    which is suitable only for its tasks - anti-ship


                    Well, what I actually said, +! drinks
                2. VAF
                  VAF
                  +1
                  January 22 2013
                  Quote: Dart Weyder
                  and the Kh-22NA, adopted in 1976, is an inertial control system with correction according to the terrain, accuracy of pointing up to several meters.


                  Where have you read this NONSENSE ????????

                  H is a locator. M is a "pseudo-inertial" (but in fact an ordinary DISS and a trigger counter, to which the distance to the target from the PNA locator and forward is set) is used only with the SBS, KVO 10 sq. Km ... which correction. what a few meters ... be afraid of god.

                  A "A" means that it can be used from low altitude and flight trajectory after launch at an altitude of 12.5 km.

                  There is no such rocket. It's all ... "theory". an algorithm is “embedded” in the head of the rocket H. according to which, when the missile is exposed to a jamming signal. the rocket restarts it and if after ......... time. it returns to capturing the original target. but if not .. then "goes" to the hindrance !!!


                  Quote: Dart Weyder
                  "Killer of aircraft carriers" already sounds good and very few people in aviation can boast of it ..



                  It sounded normal in the 80s. when the necessary outfit of forces and assets consisting of 3-5 regiments of missile carriers and 2-4 regiments of support aircraft was allocated to the AUG, then yes ....

                  And now ..... only on single ships. and even that ... not armed with Aegis. because Rus missiles will be produced much earlier. how can you reach the line of a possible launch hi
                  1. +1
                    January 23 2013
                    could be wrong, but the Tu-22M3, for which the Kh-22N missiles were designed - "active" with a new ARGSN type PMG, "passive" Kh-22NP - with anti-radar RGSN and "autonomous" Kh-22NA - with an inertial system guidance. Their REO was converted to semiconductors. The new INSU provided high accuracy of trajectory keeping, thanks to which the active seeker could be switched on only at the final stage of the flight. This provided a stealthy approach to the goal. However, the main option was the guidance with continuous operation of the seeker, which ensured the specified hitting accuracy.
                    maybe you confused her with this. X-22MA received a terrain correction system, due to which the KVO was reduced to a value comparable to the size of a warship


                    а KVO 10 km2 -! ????? in my search, I would also understand about V-2 belay

                    For radio-guided versions of the X-22M and X-22P "active" and "passive"
                    Kh-22N - "active" with a new ARGSN type PMG, "passive" Kh-22NP - with anti-radar RGSN and "autonomous" Kh-22NA - with an inertial guidance system.


                    took from here http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/kr/x22.html


                    X-22P, adopted in 1976, has a passive homing system (induced by radiation from enemy radio equipment). In this embodiment, the charge was normal with slightly reduced power;

                    http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/mikoyan/kh/22/kh22.htm
                    1. VAF
                      VAF
                      +1
                      January 23 2013
                      Quote: Dart Weyder
                      could be wrong


                      This is not "fatal", because. if the "dense" does not "collide". then you can believe in anything! wink +! drinks

                      No dear Dmitry. I have not confused anything. "worked" with these missiles with all 4 types both from the belly and from the wing. or rather, it was the navigator who "worked". but the whole crew had to "study" ... so I know these missiles ... better than the multiplication table.

                      All that you describe. It remains on paper and only, like the X-22P and by the way. which was done and was still made for the Tu-22KP and KPD aircraft (and not KDP, as you wrote in one of the comments), in fact, it is a GOS with KSR-5P, and X-22Y, but KSR-5P was used on Tu-16 with Ritsa and Tu-95K (but not Kama).

                      I also painted everything in detail, which abbreviation is used and where. if that is not clear .. ask.

                      Well, if at all the full name. then it looks like this:

                      -p. 098 (X-22H). GHG head, difference .. in the rocket number, the penultimate group of digits 098), number in 2 places — immediately behind the GG fairing and on the vertical tail stabilizer.

                      -p. 107 (X-22NA), all the same, only And this is a low-rise launch.

                      -102 (X-22M), PSI head. then everything is the same, but what PSI I have already described.

                      - Vol. 108 (X-22MA), PSI head ... low-altitude.

                      Scoring target (direct hit) into the "square" in width is 8 km, and in width 2 km down (from the center) and 4 km up, so you can calculate the KVO yourself.

                      For PG (we never said PMG, so it's a habit), as a target, ordinary corner reflectors, as for B / M ordinary with RLP, if you have a land range. and on the sea, it is an ordinary ship. the main thing is that the PN would "see". and the PG will "grab" at once!

                      everything else .. this is already beyond the "line" of what is permitted. so sorry. bully
                      1. VAF
                        VAF
                        +1
                        January 23 2013
                        Quote: vaf
                        everything else .. this is already beyond the "line" of what is permitted. so sorry


                        For the sake of completeness .. a little more ... before reaching .. "edge" bully

                        And so ... at the moment, if a rocket with a PG. then consider almost none. if you "put" an ordinary noise-suppressing interference, then everything ... the missile is past the target 100%, and if this happens during preparation for the launch, then there will be no launch at all, because. if the PN can still be manually rebuilt the magnetron. then the PG is a fixed frequency!

                        With PSI it is easier there, tk. there is no head at all, therefore, absolute interference is security and can be launched even without the "radiation" of the PN, but on the "equivalent", but with the input of the coordinates of the target, the on-board computer (NK-45) itself forms the PP (floating spot-electronic marker from the alleged target Here, target designation is performed on it in the form of issuing a heading angle and range to the target, this is the ASC for the PSI), well, then I wrote everything .. DISS on the rocket and the Range set-ground speed and AU with the missile's diss are compared with the given when targeting and the rocket .. "ran", well, but the accuracy of these readings and the magnitude of the measurements, as well as the exact formation of the PP mode, here's the value of the CEP from where it turns out.

                        Well, when reaching a target range of 72 (for VT) km, the rocket goes on a dive with an angle of 60g. you understand that this is not done instantly, and even more so at speeds under Mach 4.

                        so somewhere like that ... bully if without "advertising" and "without water"!

                        And everything that is on the X-55 (CM and 555) is still on them .... "It" did not reach the X-22! request
              2. 0
                January 22 2013
                Wow, is the B1-B multifunctional?
          2. VAF
            VAF
            +2
            January 22 2013
            Quote: Nastenka
            It is out of date without modernization. Without a modern avionics and general repair, all of many of them remained in the 80s.


            And here. so generally 000/000 +!

            Although this "modernization" is ... well, not very much. locator as it was PNA. so it remained crying
        3. 0
          January 22 2013
          but remember how it all began, a long time ago ... wink
      2. VAF
        VAF
        0
        January 22 2013
        Quote: Nastenka
        If you build Tu - 22mZ (Chinese) - the program will cost a huge amount, the revival of production is still the same.


        This is already ripe, +! good
  16. +3
    January 22 2013
    Lying! To date, in fact, these machines have nothing to replace; they have long been discontinued, having sold to China, the threat is increasing not so much for the United States as for the security of the Russian Federation itself. Although we can expect any vileness from the rulers ...... If such a deal takes place, then let the Tu-160 along with the technical documentation be handed over to China, but what about the betrayal of the Motherland so completely, forward, business officials.
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +1
      January 22 2013
      Quote: evgenii67
      To date, in fact, these machines have nothing to replace,


      well "expert" fucking wassat voiced the task of using the Tu-22M3 as ... whom ???? and what????
      1. 0
        January 22 2013
        Quote: vaf
        well, "expert" fucking wassat sounding the task of using the Tu-22M3 as ... who ???? and what????

        horseradish connoisseur in the mirror you'll see
        "the sound of the task of using the Tu-22M3 as ... who ???? and what ????" googled "this aviation mega-expert" wassat
        How old are you, dear ???
        Yes, megaznatok answer the person who is not enlightened and far from aviation, which machines can replace the Tu-22M3, and indeed the entire line of Tu-22M ... ???
        1. VAF
          VAF
          0
          January 22 2013
          Quote: evgenii67
          How old are you, dear ???


          So already the 62nd went! soldier

          Quote: evgenii67
          googled "mega-expert this aviation


          Son ... I don't need to "google", I'm on Tu - 22 (K and R) and also on 0-kah. 2-ka- and 3-ka fly then .. when you are still "muddy" hanging 2 on one object from his dear parent!

          Quote: evgenii67
          what kind of machines can replace the Tu-22M3


          So here we go back to the previously printed!

          For what tasks and purposes are you going to apply .... "remains" of Tu-22M3 aircraft ???????

          And the answer to your .... (as if to answer without insults. So as not to touch. Your "gentle" Internet soul "). But ... to your naive question you will succeed yourself, although you hardly know what. such an airplane, and even more so the Tu-22M! hi
          1. 0
            January 22 2013
            Well, firstly, I'm not your son, dad
            secondly, you’re so arrogant, you’ve flown to see high ....
            1. VAF
              VAF
              +2
              January 22 2013
              Quote: evgenii67
              Well, firstly, I'm not your son, dad


              According to your behavior (the quiet minuscation of my aviation comments, it’s always (!!!) just like ... childhood ..... I can’t give any more assessment0. That’s why I’m a son too.

              Quote: evgenii67
              secondly what are you so arrogant


              Arrogance and knowledge, backed up by experience in operating a specific type of aircraft and its weapons. these are different things, but you ... "Inetovskim" lalyakalkam .. this is not given to understand!

              Quote: evgenii67
              flown to see high ...


              Happened in the stratosphere and on "good" super sound. and what ????

              And I understand that everything ..... "the client was blown away", in Google you can not find what to answer?
              So they won't write it there. but just any hat. type of missile launch from a range of 600 km. when the capabilities of the PNA radar are limited to a range of 550 km. and even then ... in the "semicircular" view, and besides that. it is also necessary to carry out a number of operations to prepare the rocket at the launch (and what do you know ???), and so on.

              So the advice ... do not go into it. what the fuck you do not understand and do not know hi
              1. +4
                January 22 2013
                My respect to you as a pilot, I would like to say thanks separately for what you did in the name of the Motherland. I see a further dispute as meaningless, because that’s what the dispute is about, the dispute doesn’t communicate with you further specifically on this topic I do not see the point, but I would be glad to talk with you as a specialist on other topics related to aviation, unless of course you mind. Regarding blah blah, shkololo or whatever, lala, but I didn’t sit at the helm, (I was flying, yes it’s great), I don’t deny that I know much less in aviation than you do, but I don’t need to tell me what aviation is, I’m still in my hands I did not take the primer, I was already fond of aviation and am still interested, but I graduated from school a long time ago, of course, it’s not easy to compare. You are an experienced pilot, and I’m so reading the history of creation, performance characteristics, all sorts of statistics such as air battles ... "the client was blown away" understand correctly not always I sit in the internet. I lost my mind only where there was an insult and in my opinion it was mutual, all the more your minus has a more serious effect, well, God bless him, you are not 15 years old, especially a pilot, but you interfere with dirt almost like Pasha Volya, only less humor. I think this is the end of the dispute?
                1. VAF
                  VAF
                  +2
                  January 22 2013
                  Quote: evgenii67
                  I think the argument is over?


                  Not a boy's speech is heard. and HUSBAND, +! Well, there was no dispute as such!

                  And about the minus. so I didn’t mean these. that's all .... or you think. that I don’t know who is minus me wink

                  When is a person talking in a dispute. that’s the way it is. by this he expresses his position or knowledge or opinion, quite logically. but when I quietly and at the same time not commenting anything, and even more so when .... well, like ... the Tu-22M3 aircraft has two NK-25 engines with 25 tons of thrust afterburner each, and it’s bang and minus .. .Softly surprising!

                  Quote: evgenii67
                  various kinds of statistics, such as air battles ..


                  Try hard. if possible, read informational directories or newsletters on these issues, there really are facts and analysis, what has been done and how!

                  Quote: evgenii67
                  and you interfere with the dirt almost like Pasha Volya, only less humor.


                  Well, you compared, already choked wassat and I have enough humor, but there was no reason! drinks
                2. 0
                  January 22 2013
                  evgenii67,
                  Yeah, vaf is sometimes rude, but I think the whole thing is that he is one of those people in aviation who saw how it was and knows how it became, and from how it turned out for anyone who loves airplanes, his fists are compressed and the guys are playing well and it’s clear a strong word it happens. So don't be offended hi
  17. fenix57
    +1
    January 22 2013
    Serious order, you will not say anything
  18. evil hamster
    +4
    January 22 2013
    "ketai sites have confirmed"
    "British scientists have proven"
    "one grandmother said"
    laughing
  19. +1
    January 22 2013
    Again technology will whistle and will drive its own. But let, all the same, the Tu-22 is not the newest. But the fact that you need your own new "Strategist" is a fact.
    Still to pit China and America - it would be good. But here it will not be possible without vigorous bombs, which is all the same bad.
  20. i-gor63
    +1
    January 22 2013
    Stupid and not far-sighted. Good bombers give away. Who said that they will be directed against the Americans. They lay under the states, now they will lie under China.
  21. 0
    January 22 2013
    Ahrenet! How long? !!! Something I don’t catch up with in this life - for whom does the defense industry work for us?
  22. Lavrik
    +1
    January 22 2013
    Quote: Vanek
    It’s interesting to me too, but how many do we have with ourselves?

    The Air Force of the Russian Federation now has about 40 TU-22M3. And about 110 units are out of order. Obviously, 36 of the latter will be sold after the restoration of the PRC.
    1. Durant
      +1
      January 22 2013
      I wonder where such information comes from. from the stories of a familiar pilot (though 3 years ago) there were 2 times more and this is only in the Russian Air Force ... not to mention the fact that these machines are also in the Navy ... and I'm sorry to develop a modernization program for the Tu-22M3 to the Tu-22M3M version (and beyond), all the more so in order to sell them later, at least it’s stupid and not cost-effective ... all the more so in such quantities.
      And the news itself is most likely a duck ...
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +2
        January 22 2013
        Quote: Durant
        from the stories of a friend pilot (true 3 years ago) there were 2 times more


        So it was flying .. these are completely different things. and it was ... not really .. just a 2-division (this is with the remnants of the sailors)!
        1. Durant
          +1
          January 22 2013
          I meant flying
          1. VAF
            VAF
            +1
            January 22 2013
            Quote: Durant
            I meant flying


            Then in the root .. your acquaintance incorrectly said! +! wink

            In living regiments, a maximum of 5-6 aircraft flew. the rest all stood with little leftovers for a real "mess"!

            Therefore, in the August events they could only collect ..... cars (from two regiments, the former Soletsky and Shaikovsky)!
            1. Durant
              +1
              January 23 2013
              Well, since with small residues, then where is it fundamentally wrong? In any case, it’s easier to keep 20 cars in constant readiness than all 150 ... so they’re left in storage ... I hope the deal will not be limited to one modernization contract.
              1. VAF
                VAF
                +1
                January 23 2013
                Quote: Durant
                Well, since with small residues, then where is it fundamentally wrong?


                Because with a "small residue" only for "serious" work several times or .. at the ARZ, and so .... parking and practically "conservation", and a car on storage is ...... well, in general, not a car!

                Quote: Durant
                In any case, keep 20 cars in constant readiness.


                In a ready state, because in constant readiness, this is only when they were on the database (although some of the former Air Force group of companies did not give excerpts of their speeches here recently. They say that they never sat on the database and didn’t fly missiles with SBC. wassat )

                And earlier, for some reason, everything was enough for "reforming" and "taxiing". to keep all the vehicles in the regiment in combat readiness. and for the flights, we planned to shift 18-20 cars per W. and not 2-3 as now !!!

                Quote: Durant
                I hope the deal will not be limited to one modernization contract.


                I don't want to disappoint you. but this "business" will end at most ... more talking shop! crying
  23. +3
    January 22 2013
    Vladivostok is closer ..... and further without comment .. angry
  24. +1
    January 22 2013
    something about the KX-22 Rainbow (AS-4 "Kitchen") on our sites there is no information anywhere, see a secret?

    Kh-22
    (NATO reporting name: AS-4 'Kitchen')
    Rainbow Kh-22.jpg
    Kh-22 under a Tu-22M2
    Type air-to-surface missile
    Place of Origin Soviet Union
    service history
    In service 1962-2007
    Used by Russia
    production history
    Manufacturer Raduga
    Specifications
    Weight 5,820 kg (12,800 lb)
    Length 11.65 m (38.2 ft)
    Diameter 92 cm (36 in)
    Warhead 1,000 kg (2,205 lb) RDX
    or 350-1000kT nuclear
    Engine Liquid-fuel rocket
    Wingspan 300 cm (120 in)
    Propellant Hydrazine and IRFNA
    Operational
    range 600 km (320 nmi) (Kh-22M / MA) [2]
    Flight ceiling 10-14km or 27km
    Speed ​​Mach 4.6 [1]
    Guidance
    system inertial with terminal active seeker
    Launch
    platform Tu-22M, Tu-22K, Tu-95K22

    And vrazhin have. Or is there but not that? Who in the course enlighten please!
    1. +3
      January 22 2013
      yes it seems is:
      The basic version is equipped with an active homing radar (type PG), providing capture of the target even on the carrier’s suspension before launch and designed to hit point targets (for example, individual ships). This modification could be equipped with both a high-explosive-cumulative warhead "M" weighing 950 kg (500 kg explosive) and a thermonuclear warhead "N" 350-1000 kT.

      Adopted in 1968. It was used on the Tu-22K, Tu-22KD, Tu-22KP, Tu-22KDP.
      Other modifications

      X-22 PSI, adopted in 1971
      X-22MA, adopted in 1974, flight speed increased to 4000 km / h.
      X-22MP, adopted in 1974, has a passive guidance system, flight speed increased to 4000 km / h.
      X-22P, adopted in 1976, has a passive homing system (induced by radiation from enemy radio equipment). In this embodiment, a warhead with a conventional charge of somewhat reduced power was installed.
      X-22M, adopted in 1976, speed increased to 4000 km / h.
      X-22NA, adopted in 1976, inertial control system with correction according to the terrain, accuracy of guidance up to several meters.
      The Kh-22B, an experimental missile with a ballistic flight path that allowed it to accelerate to 6 M, had a maximum flight range of up to 70 km. In the 1970s passed tests, was not accepted for service X-22B.

      Performance characteristics

      Length: 11,65-11,67 m
      Diameter: 0,9-0,92 m
      Rocket height: 1,81 m (keel folded)
      Wingspan: 2,99-3,0 (3,35) m
      Starting weight: 5635-5780 kg
      Flight speed: 3,5-4,6 M
      Firing Range: 140-300 (460-600) km
      Flight altitude: 22,5-25 km
      Application height: 10 (11-12) km
      Guidance system: ARLGSN or PRLGSN or inertial PSI
      Warhead: warhead weight 630-900 (1000) kg
      Thermonuclear 0,35-1,0 Mt,
      High explosive cumulative,
      Engine: LRE C5.44 (R201-300)
      Thrust: up to 13,4 kN
      Fuel reserve: 3000 kg
      Fuel: TG-02
      Oxidant: AK-27I
      Type of PU: BD-294 (Tu-22 in the cargo compartment), BD-45K (wing Tu-22M, Tu-95K-22), BD-45F (in the cargo compartment Tu-22M), BD-206 (Tu-95K-22 in the cargo bay)

      Immunity

      Missile disadvantage: low noise immunity; GOS missiles operate at fixed frequencies. With electronic countermeasures of the enemy, missile launch is impossible [1]
      Application

      The Kh-22 missiles of various modifications were armed with aircraft - Tu-16K-22, Tu-22K, Tu-22M, Tu-22M3, Tu-95K-22
      1. 0
        January 22 2013
        thanks for the information!
        1. 0
          January 22 2013
          yes not at all, it’s quite easy to find drinks
      2. 0
        January 22 2013
        these two rackets are like a whole plane ...
    2. VAF
      VAF
      +2
      January 22 2013
      Quote: kostyan77708
      something about KX-22 Rainbow


      Because we do not have such missiles, but there is X-22 (N / NA and M / MA)

      Data-advertising is the engine of commerce and .... wassat

      Well, read above, I painted everything there. Almost ... bully
  25. 0
    January 22 2013
    Yes, it’s really a shame if the deal takes place. After all, there is no need to sell a lot of mind, but there really is nothing to replace. The price of the aircraft is about $ 40 million. On the other hand, if there is a buyer, and the equipment is not new, then why not. The Chinese are unlikely to copy, because the aircraft is not a new development, their engines are obtained with a small resource. And even more reactive.
  26. 0
    January 22 2013
    Well, if you sell it, then not for American candy wrappers, but for Russian rubles.
    Here the Americans will be "happy"
  27. +1
    January 22 2013
    Quote: Papakiko
    march on the face of a duck in its purest form.
    Although the modernization needs money!


    Duck / duck ... but, the desire of the Chinese will take this fruit clearly is :)
    As for the fear - if they feed from our hands, it is much more far-sighted than refusing. Otherwise, "stranger uncles" will find something similar to them. Then definitely no one can guarantee that they will not work against us ...

    As for the engines ...
    Our specialists are warming them, in order to copy even AL-31, they need to make the industrial revolution, go to a different level of the entire industry. And this is money, people, science, raw materials and technologies - of a new level and generation. Not so simple...
    While they upgrade our P11-f300 ... Another level, the previous generation ...
  28. +1
    January 22 2013
    Maybe this is another duck ... Maybe some negotiations on this matter took place ... Or maybe they already agreed ...
    There is no exact information, but I still don’t want to read fortunes on coffee grounds ... Because of complete solidity ...

    Let's hope that this is an ordinary Tyrnetov man ... But if our "state" men really agreed to sell such a car as Tu-22M3 to their molded Chinese roots, then it is even difficult (and scary !!!) to imagine what place they are in. they thought it ... But what is not the brain is for sure ...
  29. +3
    January 22 2013
    Fatty!!!! industrial BOLT them and not this handsome !!!! In general, chtol! Look at us with these comrades, we’ll fight and we’ll also sell them a strike aircraft !!!!! They screamed that their J-15 is cooler than the Su-30 or 33rd (I don’t remember now) So let them fuck further !!!! Unwritten copywriters !!!!!! It was necessary to give the Japanese an opportunity to kill these yellow ones. Well, at the same time helped the neighbors. Part of Vietnam, part of North Korea, a substantial proportion of us and the Indians can be sprinkled a lot !!!! The quick-eyed must be finished!
  30. Not horde
    -2
    January 22 2013
    Morons. And who is the giraffe after that? Who shouted about the "khakhlov" arming China?
    1. +3
      January 22 2013
      The Chinese Tu-22 since the end of the 80s have been buying everything, they can’t buy it in any way.
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    1. 0
      January 22 2013
      Gentlemen of what you are arguing about, This TUSHKA is in a very serious agreement on limiting strategic delivery vehicles, and so on, seriously think about who decides to violate the current agreement, In short, the market is not right,
      1. VAF
        VAF
        +2
        January 22 2013
        Quote: igor.borov775
        This tushka in a very serious agreement to limit strategic delivery vehicles


        It was when there was (sorry for tuftology) a system of additional adjustments in the air!

        Removed, everything ... all restrictions are over!
    2. VAF
      VAF
      +1
      January 22 2013
      Quote from rudolf
      that all equipment is unconditionally saved


      Unfortunately, but no!

      Quote from rudolf
      this is a sale of car kits


      They are already the same ..... we will not start doing! Plus there are NO engines!

      Well and so on. So ... another murzilka, +!
  32. 0
    January 22 2013
    Quote: Papakiko
    march on the face of a duck in its purest form.
    Although the modernization needs money!

    This is not a DUCK! To get rid of old equipment, and for normal money - this is good, though when there is a replacement. And so, the promising PAK YES only in the year 15, and China is 50 percent of our future potential adversary.
    1. URS21
      0
      January 22 2013
      Judging by this article http://topwar.ru/23196-ssha-i-yaponiya-voyna-protiv-kitaya-v-2013-godu.html, China is hardly a future adversary, at least not soon. But in the peak of the Japs and am, it’s worth selling, especially since China will not soon copy the carcass, by this time there will be a pack yes.
    2. 0
      January 22 2013
      And on this topic, it was necessary to listen to our President when he was in China. There was a lot of talk about many things and about the modernization of our killed aircraft industry, Not about the military but civilian, Putin spoke a lot about the Far East about building enterprises that is beneficial both for us and them ,
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  34. survivor
    +1
    January 22 2013
    and who did not notice the background of the whole article? China buys (well, or is about to) strategists FOR STRUGGLE AGAINST PROBABLE OTHERS. then bish with aircraft carriers. judging by yesterday’s article, Japan, America are quite likely to clash with China. here China is looking for what and where to buy, or at least frightening what it’s about to buy.
    1. Nastya
      +1
      January 22 2013
      Tu-22M for these purposes and sharpened initially.
      1. survivor
        0
        January 22 2013
        this is so, but why did this need arise now?
      2. 0
        January 22 2013
        I just want to ask you Mulder's question from The Secret Materials, are you peeing while standing ????
    2. VAF
      VAF
      +1
      January 22 2013
      Quote: survivor
      and who did not notice the background of the whole article?


      There is no background to this article. since there are no rockets. for. to sink an aircraft carrier. well, except with JabCh. of course. but you just have to be able to fly up to the launch line of 500 km (at high altitude) wink
  35. +1
    January 22 2013
    I’m wondering, will we arm potential opponents for a long time ???? Or do you think that the carcasses can work only for American purposes? Yes, if they buy 36 of them, then it seems to me that the Chinese have more of them than ours .... .or all so naive, then for some islands they will start almost the third world world, and they will not notice our bare Far East and Siberia?
  36. 0
    January 22 2013
    I think a duck, such a weapon cannot be sold, because it is a very serious weapon that can be used against Russia ...
  37. 0
    January 22 2013
    This will be a threat in the region, not only the United States, but also to us.
  38. +1
    January 22 2013
    Quote from rudolf
    As for the engines, please note that our aviation officials are terribly outraged when the Chinese try to copy or duplicate them. But at the same time, if the Chinese ask to sell the same engines, they sign contracts at a run. For any type and quantity. That is, it all comes down to the banal "mow the loot". National security issues immediately find themselves in the second ten.


    ... this is so, and not quite so. Quite the contrary ... :)))
    When they first wanted to buy AL-31 in one copy. - our (all) were indignant and said - x * p to you ...
    But then five years later, they sold 1ex. After much deliberation and calculations ...
    The Chinese fiddled with him for 5 years; copying did not work. Arriving again - to purchase in bulk ...
    Wait where you need and do not need to stick them ...
    For all the so-called their designs.

    Even if their options P11-ф300 are worn down - all the same, the key elements from our supplies!

    Then, China and I have a multifaceted economy:
    -channel of officials
    -cooperation of specialists
    ...

    I will say more, in the year 97-99 they included us (at the enterprise level) in their national 5-year plan!
    This lasted exactly until the moment when the regional committee shouted from behind the okiyan - "Until then? Stop! ..."

    therefore, think for yourself ... :)))
    Oh yes, I forgot to mention - some caliber ammunition - we buy from them ...
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  40. 0
    January 22 2013
    In school books, China shows its territory right up to the Urals. China will not fight with the states, it is trading with the states, many times exceeding the trade turnover with Russia. So China copies technology and steals the latest developments, it does it right. Those who forgot, let me remind you, the Soviet Union has been doing the same since its inception. By the time it collapsed, it had advanced science and economy. The latest models of Chinese military equipment are at the world level, and it doesn’t matter how they achieved it, there are scouts in all countries, just like the traitors who sell them this equipment. after some time, a beautiful supersonic bomber will appear in China, very similar to the Tu-22M3, only built on the latest technologies.
  41. 0
    January 22 2013
    Well, this is already in my opinion sorting out - to sell such equipment to the Chinese. We should be sober or something to look at the back of the transaction, look at the front a little further than the term for transferring the dough from the sale! Damn, you can’t sell full-fledged strategists to the Chinese. Then, in the future, we ourselves can get rid of them with our own technologies. We have been trying to achieve this for decades, and we are selling everything ready to the Chinese. If they hadn’t done so, the Chinese would still lag behind for 25 years. And that means less potential adversary
  42. toguns
    +1
    January 22 2013
    I have already written, I repeat, if you sell the Tu-22 to China, then you can put a bold cross on the Pacific Fleet, the entire fleet will be flooded even in the bays.
    and if this happens, then Shoigu and Co. can safely book a camera next door to Serdyukov.
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +1
      January 22 2013
      Quote: toguns
      I repeat, if you sell the Tu-22 to China, then you can put a fat cross on the Pacific Fleet, the entire fleet will be flooded even in the bays.


      Yaroslav. Well, you then fear wassat By that time. if the Chinese create something similar to our Tu-22M3. then the amers will already have "unmanned aircraft carriers" and .. "underwater" at the same time! wink
      1. toguns
        0
        January 22 2013
        Quote: vaf
        yaroslav.well you fear that..have driven wassat By that time. if the Chinese create something similar to our Tu-22M3. then the amers will already have "unmanned aircraft carriers" and .. "underwater" at the same time! wink

        Well, first of all, Sergei, I’m greedy, at first then myself to my neighbor.
        0_shch 5 regiments of naval missile carriers would not hurt our fleet, and if we don’t build ourselves and before the pack, it’s not soon
        sell something to the Chinese.
        and secondly, the Chinese most likely need the technology and assembly lines of the Tu-22, and it’s more expensive to give yourself flight time from Chinese air bases to our naval bases, you probably know better than me.
        Conclusion ...
        The Chinese are fools, fools, but they are rocket-carriers, if they transfer technology to themselves, they will do it, and we will suck our paw, so I am against it.
        1. VAF
          VAF
          +2
          January 22 2013
          Quote: toguns
          5 regiments of marine missile carriers would not hurt our fleet


          something is not enough. by modern standards, I would have 5 regiments for each Fleet (well, as it was before ... before the "reformation")!

          Quote: toguns
          the Chinese most likely need the technology and assembly lines of the Tu-22


          Yaroslav, I will disappoint you here. The "concept" of design at the Tupolev Design Bureau is "legalized" according to the principle of a new model. must be at least 75% of the previous car!, so there are by and large no breakthrough technologies there!

          Quote: toguns
          more expensive is the flight time from Chinese air bases to our sea you probably know better than me.


          They don't even need to fly anywhere ... the entire DV "overlaps" with MLRS and TR!

          Quote: toguns
          but they are missile carriers, if they transfer technology to themselves, they’ll do


          As it is ... let them do it. there is nothing wrong, even if a "smart" missile is invented, then ..... where will they take the guidance system ????

          And so he "gets" into the zone of action of our air defense .. easy and .. unconstrained!

          Quote: toguns
          and we will suck paw


          No, we will not ... with the launch of the Su-34 into the series ... there is already something to answer, and then you "look" and "dig" out of the "archives" promising developments of the Soviet school .. this will be .. the new PAK YES ! +! fellow
          1. +1
            January 22 2013
            And how much effort and means are needed to suppress one American AUG. At least to keep the aircraft carrier for a couple of months for repair? Tentatively.
            1. VAF
              VAF
              +6
              January 22 2013
              Quote: Spade
              And how much effort and means are needed to suppress one American AUG


              What an outfit is needed of required forces and means! +! soldier it will be more correct, well, and tactics!

              And for what ... to incapacitate or destroy?

              EW suppressors on escort ships are suppressed. and everything else (cruisers and destroyers URO (we mean Ajisa) and IA AUG air defense (AUS)) is destroyed!

              Why tentatively .. I can EXACTLY! soldier

              And now for the question (although he answered already several times before):

              1. For destruction, it is necessary to hit 12-15 X-22N missiles in one gulp, while the density of missiles in the stream must be at least 32 (taking into account the probability of destroying enemy air defense missiles. The effect of electronic warfare systems, interception on false targets, etc. There should be two such flows !!! With a start interval of 10-15 seconds!

              2. For Failure 5-9 t (further by analogy).

              3. But this is purely for an aircraft carrier, for the URO (Ticonderoga) cruiser, withdrawal-1-a, the destruction of 2-3, for the destroyer (frigate) -1-a. ships REB-1-a.

              We proceed from this that for the destruction of AUGs, at least 2-3 regiments of Tu-22M3 missile carriers with 2 X-22N missiles are necessary (we do not consider NA, because due to the short launch range of 110-130 km, you are at such a line no one will let go. while the launch height is limited to a height of 1200-1500 meters)!

              If the goal is far. then one rocket each. but then the number of carriers should double!

              1-2 regiment on Tu-22K (KD) aircraft with one X-22N missile for air defense and support ships.

              1 regiment of Tu-16K-11-16 (K-26) planes with KSR-11 and KSR-5P missiles for the destruction of AWACS and EW and P.

              1 regiment of air cover on the Su-27's.

              1 regiment on the MiG-31s ​​to clear the airspace at the deployment lines (formation of battle formations according to the "fan" scheme), at the launch lines of our missiles and at ranges of up to 150 km towards the target from our launch line!

              Well, 1 regiment on the Tu-22P (PD). reconnaissance squadron on the Tu-22R (RD), detachment Tu-142-x.

              But if there is AUS (and with a "normal" enemy like us. It will be so) then there will be a problem. the composition of the air wings on aircraft carriers varies and one can be purely shock, but the second ... purely cover. Well, you know how many fighters are in the air wing on an aircraft carrier)!

              Therefore, the destruction of the AUG (AUS) is possible only with close interaction with ships and submarines of the fleet and they must be "beaten" even at the transition lines or at least at the deployment lines, but at the lines of combat maneuvering ... this already creates big problems for yourself!

              We considered the option of using only OSB! +! soldier
              1. +1
                January 22 2013
                EW suppressors on escort ships are suppressed. and everything else (cruisers and destroyers URO (we mean Ajisa) and IA AUG air defense (AUS)) is destroyed!

                On earth, "suppression" and "destruction" have a slightly different meaning. In order for the group target to be unable to further perform its task, it is not necessary to destroy all objects included in it. That's why he asked.

                Quote: vaf
                and they must be "beaten" at the transition lines or at least at the deployment lines

                I'm not strong in naval tactics, but, as I understand it, the Tu-22 can’t accomplish these tasks without air refueling equipment?
                1. VAF
                  VAF
                  +1
                  January 22 2013
                  Quote: Spade
                  In order for the group goal not to be able to further fulfill its task, it is not necessary to destroy all the objects included in it. That's why I asked.


                  I basically understood, +! drinks

                  Quote: Spade
                  but, as I understand it, the Tu-22 will not be able to complete these tasks without air refueling equipment?


                  no, they didn’t understand correctly ..... the area of ​​combat maneuvering of the AOG is within 500-600 km, because he is also limited by the range of his attack aircraft, and yet they also need to carry out the tasks of destroying our objects and targets in operational and tactical depth!

                  So really ... you can "get it" at a distance of 2300-2400 km from the departure airfield, well, we add 300 km to the missile flight range (of course, this is the launch range of the extreme missile in a salvo by the strike group).

                  In the North, they "sat" in Olenya (near Severomorsk) and in Lakhta (near Arkhangelsk), they freely accepted Monchegorsk and Kilpy. Kem, Anderma, Savateya.
                  Therefore, they looked around the corner easily and naturally under the condition of blocking the Vikings in Vardo, and these are just the transition lines of theirs AUG (AUS), but fighters need to refuel to get there and conduct a 10-15 minute air battle.
                  So without refueling ... it is easy, unless of course the base airfields are not covered. but in the threatened period they dispersed. therefore, we also had to be discovered!
                  1. +1
                    January 22 2013
                    Thanks for the info. It will be necessary to read something on this subject for general development.
                    And then the boundaries of dismounting and deployment for me, the thing is absolutely understandable, but on the boundary of the transition, and so on. I look like a ram at a new gate.
                    1. VAF
                      VAF
                      0
                      January 22 2013
                      Quote: Spade
                      thanks for the info


                      Always please, as I can and what I know! drinks
  43. simpleton
    0
    January 22 2013
    To sell such a technique to the Chinese is to ruin yourself. They need more than just production technologies, in the end they’ll come up with their own. They need technology of knowledge, science, which they do not have. They will not have these technologies for a very long time, because they constantly steal everything, which means they develop very slowly themselves. And they will fight with Russia. Will definitely be. Russia is the tidbit for all savages. And for China now it’s not a problem to capture us: we just need to move half the population through the Amur River and that’s it. All this is a matter of time. And now we are not ready in any way - neither morally nor financially.
  44. 0
    January 22 2013
    Quote from rudolf
    Rus2012, and what ammunition are we talking about?


    Unfortunately, I won’t say for sure ...
    Ammunition and mines of some systems, the production lines of which we have lost ....
    1. 0
      January 22 2013
      Did one grandmother whisper in secret? laughing If you say this, then you need to at least know navrenyak about the subject of procurement, and even better with links and facts from the AI ​​(authoritative source). And what you wrote - gossip from the category "we are all going to die." laughing
  45. wax
    0
    January 22 2013
    The arms trade provides funding for the development and creation of new weapons. And to fight for sales markets with junk is futile and short-sighted, because Losses of potential buyers are then difficult to renew. China, of course, is a potential adversary, but it is all the more disadvantageous for us not to arm it.
    1. 0
      January 22 2013
      what developments ??? we have been waiting for a new year in the army for years, everything that is being developed is put up for auction right away .... and for a long time to trade it is necessary for this to go to us in normal quantities ????? another 20 years ?? ? then for whom we are developing ??? for ourselves ??? just God forbid to see our developments on the other side of the trunk))) and there are more chances, they are exactly what to see ....
  46. Podojdi
    0
    January 22 2013
    What a * bali to China to sell everything. There are no other words. Bomb under your own ass. They are comfortable there, interesting? Oh yes, they have a home in the USA, then everything is clear what they are afraid of.
  47. 0
    January 22 2013
    They let off steam and it’s good, I started the article plus ours how excited, the only minus was to be reminded that this system is included in the agreement on limiting strategic delivery vehicles, you know why, under this agreement all refueling systems were removed from the air, Then who decides to break the agreement , He is acting, I wanted to look at this uncle when the Yankees ask where the ruins that stood here are, Gentlemen such things are strictly monitored, Thank you for the article but it is a duck in its purest form, although it is possible to look at the reaction of the Americans, They need to be checked sometimes lice as we say,
    1. 0
      January 22 2013
      My friends get me that they work in China, They talk about a big drone that the Chinese are putting into production, but I didn’t see it here, I really wanted to know about it, they say that the drone is healthy and looks like Amer, And today even though the mood has risen, all exterminated by one he stayed, Fall not get up !! I haven’t laughed like that for a long time, Poor drafters with a rating where they were before this, Thank you all for such moments, See you soon,
  48. FID
    +4
    January 22 2013
    Let me present a little information that appeared today (pay attention to the last paragraph):





    Economic relations with China for Russia are in one and the first place in priority. The aviation industry is no exception. The Chinese market - Klondike for any aircraft and helicopter builders. At the recent exhibition in Zhuhai (Southeast China) alone, the Chinese purchased aircraft for more than $ 12 billion, and this is far from the limit. And this despite the fact that the Chinese aviation industry itself can do a lot. But the needs are so great that the Chinese are forced to actively buy aircraft abroad. So what can Russia bet on in this division of the Chinese pie today? To whom, no matter how the head of the United Aircraft Corporation knows this best.

    Mikhail Poghosyan, on the one hand, was not particularly surprised, saying that the main goal for the UAC is to bring SSJ-100 aircraft to the Chinese domestic market. Despite the fact that local companies have already launched a similar ARJ-21, while Bombardier and Embraer just do not stop presenting and touting their series, SuperJet still has a very good chance. The KLA has potential clients who will sign the corresponding protocols of intent in the first half of 2013. By the way, the SSJ-100 will appear in China in regular operation long before the sale of aircraft. The fact is that the Yakutia company, which has already received a couple of brand new SuperJets, begins to operate them on its international flights to this country. So, the Chinese will gradually get used to the SSJ-100.

    But more interesting information relates to the production of the SSJ-100. Today, the main and only assembly company of SuperJets is the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant. There are a couple of customization centers in Ulyanovsk and Venice, but this does not count. KNAAPO capacities are clearly not enough, and the proximity of China may make it possible to use simply huge potential. It was at the UAC that they seriously thought about moving, or rather, expanding, the production workshops for the production of the SSJ-100 through the use of Chinese enterprises.

    But the SSJ-100 is not the only one that builds relations between Russia and China in aviation. Quite a lot of attention is paid to the joint development of a new wide-body passenger aircraft for 300 people, with a range of up to 5000 km. Both Russia and China are countries with a very large territory, for which roomy and at the same time economical aircraft are needed on domestic flights. Similar requirements have already been implemented in models such as the Airbus A300 or IL-86, but both types of aircraft have been discontinued and nothing has been created in their place. Here, the Russians and Chinese are trying to fill this gap.

    The Chinese side is not opposed to the possibility of getting the Be-200 amphibians. The thing is the unique ability of the aircraft to quickly and inexpensively localize fires in large areas. For China, this problem is very relevant. At least in 2013, a tender for the purchase of equipment of a similar class is planned in the Celestial Empire, for which TANTK from Taganrog will be announced.

    The most amazing thing is that neither the Russians nor the Chinese say anything about military aircraft. Here both countries are turning from partners into tough competitors and furiously watching commercial secrets, so there’s nothing much to say about this market so far
  49. Nechai
    +1
    January 22 2013
    Quote: igor.borov775
    They let off steam and it’s good, I started up the article plus ours how excited they were,

    This topic has become WEEKLY, from time to time. Everyone will "calm down" and believe only when the message appears on the premier's website:
    "in agreement with the Government of the Russian Federation, the PPD of the first batch of Tu-22m3 out of 12 vehicles sold to the PLA Air Force selected the airfield in Vozzhaevka, and the second in 24 ships - the airfield in Zavitinsk. . "
    Quote: igor.borov775
    this system is included in the agreement on the limitation of strategic delivery vehicles, you know why, under this agreement, all air refueling systems were removed from it

    And that someone else takes him seriously? In the 90s, both from dry and from moments, according to the amersky velen, "reformist" desire, air refueling systems were also removed.
    1. VAF
      VAF
      +1
      January 22 2013
      Quote: Nechai
      12 cars sold by the PLA air force elected airfield p. Vozzhaevka,


      Valera, +! Just not Vozhaevka. a Vozdvizhenka. and so were in Curled (you wrote), in Spassk-Dalniy and in Mongohto soldier
  50. Nechai
    +2
    January 22 2013
    ps. "Or in other words, they will become a new and powerful threat to the forces of the US Navy in this region." - DEZA is pure water! The United States is the most popular and beloved foreign country of the Chinese people. Well, like the Soviet Union much earlier. "Sam and Liu are brothers forever!" How long it will be, of course it will be difficult to say, but a head-headed gray-haired monkey on a tiger, and even located behind a large river, NEVER RUNS!
  51. +1
    January 22 2013
    I don’t see any other interest behind this event other than the interest of specific Russian officials to put some hefty “sawdust” from the transaction amount into their pockets. For it is not in Russia’s interests to arm a potential enemy with one of its best bombers, which the Chinese will take apart piece by piece, copy everything that is reasonable to copy, add copies of Western avionics, engines and weapons and...oil painting. After which Russia itself will have to puzzle over how to deal with this scourge.
  52. Gans72
    0
    January 22 2013
    1-36 missile carriers (even if used) for 1.5 billion is almost nothing.
    2-China is the world leader in the field of copying. A couple of years will pass and China will produce the Tu-22M3, even more than Russia.
    3-Why should China butt heads with America if the Far East is nearby? There are minimal people living there, but there aren’t many useful resources. And the territory is huge.
    Conclusion: they will sell the Tu-22M3 to China and they will be suckers.
  53. 0
    January 22 2013
    Russia has agreed to sell a series of Tu-22M3 bombers to Beijing for $1.5 billion.




    Well... THIS, comrades, does not fit into any gates anymore. Of course, I understand everything, but I did not expect such a mistake from the domestic military-industrial complex. Selling strategic bombers to China is the same as pushing a Finnish woman to a Gopnik on the outskirts of Beryulyovo...
    SHOIGU, ROGOZIN, where are you guys?! SOMEONE HAS TO STOP THIS IDIOTISM EVENTUALLY!
  54. DeerIvanovich
    0
    January 22 2013
    It would be better if nanosocks were sold to China, and not experiments were carried out on our army
    1. +1
      January 22 2013
      We will soon be purchasing these socks from them. For your army.
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    1. VAF
      VAF
      +2
      January 22 2013
      Quote from rudolf
      but it is constructively possible to use the NK-32.


      Hello! So is he. So far only in..."plans"! And all this is M4.M5 and PD..that’s all..in the past!

      and that upgrade to M3M.....to put it mildly, not very good, because... in fact, errors in measurements and, as a result, in calculations are reduced (this is me in simple terms), but .... this is a plus for navigation and accuracy of reaching the target or the launch line, but the work itself is performed either with a PNA ( which is almost the same age as me) and OPB-015T, this is the same OPB 15th. Only not with an eyepiece, but with a TV screen and that’s it. and so all the same.....selsyns, potentiometers, canoids, calculating bridges, etc.
      That is, all the mistakes will remain the same!
      And in general...using it as a bomber...is...a bad idea...if the rodents had been quicker and more experienced...everyone would have stayed there!

      Yes, and with the “old” rocket..the same.....problematic!
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    1. VAF
      VAF
      0
      January 22 2013
      Quote from rudolf
      Sergey, what will happen to the 160s?


      This is a question for my namesake SSI... this is his brainchild in the literal sense of the word, he is still involved in M-coy! bully drinks
  57. sergei
    +2
    January 22 2013
    From 99 to 2000 he served at the Soltsa base, there were about 20 vehicles, 4 maybe 6 flew, now they have completely removed them to Engels

    beautiful cars
  58. kk-64
    0
    January 23 2013
    In Belarus we still have a plant for overhauling the carcass-22. and modifications.........I think that even if they sell the Chinese to the old models....but they will quickly mold them.........
  59. SEM
    SEM
    0
    January 23 2013
    The main thing is that these museum cars do not fly towards Russia)))...
  60. +1
    January 23 2013
    This duck is already 8 years old, and everyone keeps throwing it in with reference to the “Chinese Internet”.
    Well, the Chinese don’t need the Tu-22M3, and there’s nowhere to get them from.
    Theoretically, the only possible option is to transfer the remains of the still airworthy Tu22M3 to the Russian Air Force with their subsequent deep modernization in China.
    If you install modern avionics and a new missile there, then the aircraft will pose a certain danger to the US AUG.
    But this is only theoretical...

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