They talked about Russia. Here are just forgot about the Russians

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They talked about Russia. Here are just forgot about the RussiansLast week, from January 16 to January 19, a regular Gaidar forum was held in Moscow under the loud and promising title: “Russia and the World: Challenges of Integration”. The designated topic seemed interesting to me, as well as the declared composition of the forum participants. All these days I spent at plenary sessions, listening to speeches at numerous round tables. And when the forum ended, I tried to comprehend what was happening. The impressions received gave rise to a stream of conflicting emotions and assessments, which I want to share.

First of all, I would like to note: the forum once again showed a sharply liberal trend in economic and political thought; this tonality was present in almost all performances. Undoubtedly, shifts towards liberal directions of economic development, such as: attracting investments, creating new jobs, etc. - of course we do. No sane person will argue with such a message. At the same time, the topics discussed at the forum touched upon all aspects of liberalization, except for one: how will society perceive liberal reforms? This most important issue remained outside the scope of discussions. For four days they talked about Russia, but they forgot about the Russians. I don’t know whether the supporters of liberal reforms considered it insignificant, or deliberately excluded the issue from their concepts, believing that Russian citizens would only support such reforms. Or, on the contrary, they will agree with any reforms voluntarily or compulsorily.

Here, it seems to me, the liberals have miscalculated. We all know that, according to opinion polls, 60 to 80 percent of citizens have a negative attitude towards any liberal reforms. It so happened that in our country liberal ideas discredited themselves in the most difficult years of the existence of new Russia - the dashing nineties. The society has not yet forgotten the general impoverishment of the absolute majority of citizens, which happened literally overnight as a result of actions to liberalize the economy under the leadership of Yegor Gaidar. And for almost the same majority today, liberalism is synonymous with disaster. It is no coincidence, as some scientific studies show, that liberal trends and right-wing movements are now supported by no more than ten percent of the population. However, it seems to me that this figure is too high. It is unclear in what ways such a result was achieved. Most likely, if these data are correct, they simply refer exclusively to large metropolitan areas. And such "studies" are initiated and sponsored by people on the famous Forbes magazine list. Only they benefit from such results and forums are akin to Gaidar's. This is how they lay an ideological platform for their economic and political activities, work with foundations, the media, and through them try to influence both the activities of executive power structures and the formation of public opinion. I clearly felt this influence at the last Gaidar forum.

And here is another observation that alerted me. I have not seen such a large number of foreign guests, especially American scientists. And in relation to some of them, I would even put the word scientist in quotation marks, since their statements hardly corresponded to the declared scientific specialty.

I was frankly surprised by the presence at the opening of the forum of the US Ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul, who showed himself not on his best side at the very moment of his inauguration. After all, the first with whom he met then was not the President of the Russian Federation, but representatives of the opposition, which at the moment has turned into a political slush and has gone into negative oblivion. What or who was Mr. McFaul looking for at this Gaidar forum? Maybe some new promising opposition characters? Interestingly, found it?

However, this my first strong surprise from the forum quickly passed, because I happened to hear people who, perhaps, have scientific knowledge and titles, but the content of their statements amazed me with their cynicism. For example, during the so-called panel discussion "Challenges of global public policy and the new role of Russia" I had a chance to listen and talk with the president of the American University in Cairo, Lisa Anderson. I was interested in her frank story about how she worked as a technologist of democratic changes in the Arab Spring, about what is happening now in the Middle East. According to her, the Americans (apparently, those who work in the State Department) did not like the authoritarianism of Gaddafi, Assad, and Mubarak. On the basis of this, they say, well-known actions were taken. During the discussion, I asked Ms. Anderson: is it time in the 1st century to take a destructive path and engage in the colonization of countries that have been living according to their own ideology from time immemorial? Why impose your standards on countries, especially Muslim countries, where the laws of Islam are strong? After all, you see, I said, what is happening now in the Middle East, you got into Afghanistan and cannot get out of there, and everywhere you have broken or stirred up the state-political system and have achieved nothing, except that a lot of people are dying there every day. including American soldiers. Ms. Anderson's answer was as straightforward and simple as a rubber baton: Everyone makes mistakes, she said, but everything new must be promoted. And she continued: there are certain forms of sacrifice in the implantation of democracy, but everything will be wonderful in the future.

Some kind of primitive cave logic. It is designed either for absolutely illiterate fools, or the gentlemen in the Washington State Department have come up with a new export model of democracy. At the same primitive cave level: if you want to live like in the USA, put your sacrifices on a democratic altar, that is, kill as many of your fellow tribesmen as possible. And in the future, maybe everything will be great!

What curious political and technological experiments on people are being carried out by the American scientists, if I may say so. I wonder for what purpose? Something became clear after Mrs. Anderson walked over my person. In her opinion, in my early forties, by American standards, I belong to the not very productive age of the so-called neo-youth. They, the Americans, are more interested in young people born in 1980, with whom they will study around the world. As it turned out, Russia is no exception. You can imagine what such figures can do with young people, and Ms. Anderson herself did not hide it. According to her, such young people will not be able to make some kind of revolution themselves, they are needed for an emotional wave and as a battering weapon in terms of overthrowing the regime. Cannon fodder, I see. But people like me, in her opinion, should lead the youth. Speaking directly - to lead her to the slaughter. Technologists like Lisa Anderson will develop an ideology of protest actions. Here's how it turns out: and the roles have already been assigned!

I developed an interesting dialogue with another professor from the University of Los Angeles: Daniel Traisman. At first, I tried to take notes on his performance. I wrote it down and thought: isn't it all nonsense? He said that there are several forms of respect for the country. There are four of them: weight (hard power, pressure), science, reputation and size. He said that Russia has all these attributes, but there is a problem with intelligence. In Russia, in his opinion, there should be more discussions, more political freedom, less intimidation and restrictions in freedom and contacts for scientists with their colleagues abroad, as well as more political statements.

I asked the professor which scientist is being oppressed in Russia and who? He immediately recalled the recently adopted law on NGOs, stating that the employees of these structures are scientists, and they were insultingly called agents. But in the non-profit organization, I objected, there are no scientists. These are organizations that are groups of influence on certain political processes, for which they receive foreign grants. In the same America, such activity is strictly monitored. Those grants that come from abroad cannot be used in the political activities of influence groups within the country. This is a worldwide practice. Another thing is that in Russia the word "agent" has a negative character, while in Europe and America it is normal. In the United States, even FBI employees are called agents. The professor answered me in the sense that maybe he was mistaken, but in any case he does not like the processes taking place in Russia today, and he is unlikely to revise his views. My other question was whether he saw on the Internet all the dirt that is pouring out into cyberspace about the Russian president and what would happen in the United States to the authors of such statements? The professor answered me honestly - they would have been in jail. It’s a pity, but I didn’t have time to ask the professor why then in our country, in Russia, they walk free, and what intimidation or increasing the breadth of political statements does he advocate? And was there any need to ask? It is clear where such double standards come from for some American professors who come to Russia to speak at a prestigious forum. In my opinion, these figures come to Russia exclusively for provocative purposes. They are not scientists or liberals at all. These are the most common provocateurs.

I remember the speech of another so-called scientist, professor at the University of Washington George Mason Jack Goldstone. I can't say anything - an intelligent, imposing gentleman. But with what cynicism, almost with tears in his eyes, he asked his listeners: why did you Russians destroy your science, because we looked at you from the bottom up and admired your successes? Harvard professor Neil Ferguson echoed him on the same hysterical note. Admiring Russian science, he literally lamented like a family about its destruction. And this despite the fact that all Western rhetoric in this direction since the beginning of the nineties boiled down to the fact that there is no science in Russia, scientists cannot and do not want to work here, they leave for the west, where they have to redesign. And now, when we have destroyed everything and introduced the Bologna system, the Unified State Exam and other standards of Western education, they are completely cynical about this. It turns out that science was, it remains to ask, where did it go, where did the cream of the learned minds go? Are they working in the laboratories of Goldstone and Ferguson today? Would you like, gentlemen, to engage in the revival of Russian science, if you are so lamenting about its untimely death? Maybe you yourself will come or will you return the scientific staff? Or, at worst, share the results of scientific research?

Of course, I understand that these are rhetorical questions and a designated part of the American "professors" can only laugh at them. Well, let them laugh, it doesn't matter, I'm interested in something else. Do they still perceive us as complete idiots, or are they themselves not completely healthy? After all, the selection of their double standards in assessing the processes that are taking place in Russia today is obvious. Do they really think that everyone will agree with this and, most importantly, put up with it.

Certainly, I cannot say that the entire course of events at the forum took place in such a provocative, caustic or cynical manner. The issues of Russia's domination in the G50, further attraction of investments in the country's development and much more were discussed in an absolutely normal tone. But the only thing that I, I repeat, did not hear, is how all the processes that, possibly, will take place, will be heard and perceived by the Russians. And this, I believe, is today the key to the successful implementation of reforms. I asked this question directly to Mikhail Abyzov, the federal minister for work with the Open Government. In his reply, it sounded that the ministry, which should fulfill its functions of explaining the activities of the government, works with commercial structures, foreign partners, the expert community and public organizations. What is the result of the ministry's activities? During the seven months of its existence, we have not seen or heard a single report, although the ministry claims that XNUMX bills have passed through its expert council, for which a number of public organizations have been approved. Perhaps. But why, then, is the reaction of the main part of society to liberal reforms absolutely negative? One gets the impression that the Ministry for Relations with the Open Government does not understand at all what this is about. Either its employees, and, therefore, the department itself, do not perform their functions, or are unable to perform them due to the absence of some structural unit to work directly with citizens.

It's a pity if so. It is clear that any new business advances its path very difficult and very painful. Anatoly Chubais on the same forum compared this process with childbirth, saying that we are giving birth to a new country, giving birth to property, and it's like giving birth to a child that you can't put back in, and it hurts. Only all this is in Russian stories has already been. I can remember one of the reformers who cut a window to Europe - Peter the Great. He cut through the window, and Russia, undoubtedly, entered a different political and economic level. But how many people were killed at the same time is unknown. I would not like history to repeat itself, and the current modernization of the country was forcibly, over the knee.

We have already reached a completely different level of civilization in order to follow a different, non-violent path. There is every opportunity to explain to the Russians which path and where the locomotive of reforms is heading. And there are all the possibilities for creating social mechanisms that, at any step towards the liberal side, will protect Russians, including from the flow of negative information.

There is one subtlety. Liberal ideas in themselves are very attractive and promising. But only very strong-minded people who understand economic and political processes can understand them, appreciate and support them. How many of them are there in Russia today? Alas, the overwhelming minority. Moreover, the population of Russia is rapidly aging, and those who are well over forty are in the majority today. Not so far is the day when there will be more pensioners than working people. These people today do not understand what benefits liberal reforms can bring to them and their children. For them, they are still Gaidar's nightmare of the nineties of the last century. Yes, there are young people, they want to go forward, unless, of course, Ms. Anderson and her similar political strategists from among the American "professors" do not redirect her aspirations. But these young people do not yet understand that they are also at risk. With the entry into the WTO, Russia gets a lot of competition from labor resources from all over the world. And this country may not be able to withstand the competition. It is possible that in twenty years Russia will take its rightful place in the world economy. But how many people will "benefit" at the same time, if you do not pay attention to the people, patiently do not explain to them the position of the government and the chosen course, do not protect their interests, finally? Simply put, do not transform attractive liberalism into repulsive, wild capitalism, as it was once and not so long ago in Russia.

Perhaps the risk of liberal reforms in Russia is actually zero. This conclusion could be reached after listening to the speeches of domestic (I emphasize this) political scientists at the round table "Political tendencies, analysis, forecast", which was held within the framework of the Gaidar Forum. It took place on the last day, at the very end of it, and could well claim to be a final chord of an epochal event. But for some reason this chord sounded in the tone of a funeral march, to the sounds of which the country will go anywhere in the foreseeable future, but not along the bright liberal road. I have not been present for a long time at such a meeting of gloomy mediums who prophesied for Russia an extremely catastrophic future in a wide range from the liquidation of the country as a result of its capture from the east and ending with an imminent change of government with incomprehensible consequences.
The government will be more and more reactionary, and society will be angrier, nothing great will happen, the president of the Center for Political Technologies, Igor Bunin, assured. The government is focused on Soviet values, which means that an attack on free media and the Internet should be expected, said Dmitry Oreshkin, a leading researcher at the Institute of Geography of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Already this fall, society may be ripped off the nuts, journalist and writer Denis Dragunsky was worried. The authorities have adopted an inertial scenario of development, which means that they will not turn down the path of reforms, the editor of the Opinion section of Novaya Gazeta, Andrei Kolesnikov, is convinced. All the other participants in the discussion said about the same, and none of them even tried to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Is it up to liberal reforms with such an assessment of the situation?

I don’t know what explains the gloomy forecasts of political scientists. Either on that day the forum was poorly fed, or the independence of these experts grew into a lack of demand. But, be that as it may, their assessments clearly did not coincide with the general benevolent mood that prevailed at the forum. On the whole, I can say one thing about it: the direction has been chosen correctly, if with each step towards liberalization, Russian citizens will feel positive economic and political shifts. Professional experts (I emphasize the importance of the second, since we still have many pseudo-experts) should gather: economists should discuss economic problems, political scientists - political ones. Something useful can come from this.

But provocateurs, especially foreign ones, with their double standards in approaches to solving Russian problems, as well as excessive home-grown pessimism, are not needed. This is my firm conviction.
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  1. Kaa
    +7
    22 January 2013 08: 35
    Chef, everything is gone, there is no money, "they are tightening the screws." How unfortunate hamster liberal to live far away, we are not accustomed to work !!!!!!! Russia is pursuing an independent policy, America-Europe how to conduct "business" now ???????
    1. +6
      22 January 2013 08: 42
      The word liberalism causes heartburn in me. They have one strategy: that which has not been destroyed, before it is destroyed. Byaki and byaki in Africa. Death to ginger cats!
      1. 0
        22 January 2013 10: 16
        Professional experts (I emphasize the importance of the second, since we still have many pseudo-experts) should gather: economists should discuss economic problems, political scientists - political ones. Something useful can come from this.
        How much "3/14" to do, maybe it's time deal make!?
        What are "Internet forums", what are "political forums" or economiconly one 100% result KILLED TIME!
      2. +14
        22 January 2013 10: 30
        alexneg

        Here the article does not mention "our would-be scientists". One of them - Medvedev D.A.
        We are talking about the statements of Dmitry Medvedev at the Gaidar Forum, which, in addition to lengthy discussions about the need to integrate Russia into the world economy, privatization of state property and the importance of entering a stable trajectory of economic growth of 5% annually, which has not been observed in Russia for 4 years, raised the topic creation of a financial mega-regulator.
        According to available information, the government proposes to create a specialized financial institution in the shape of joint stock company, to which the functions of managing the resources of the Reserve Fund will be transferred, The National Wealth Fund; and the public debt.
        As far as can be judged, this is essentially a matter of removing part of the international reserves of Russia belonging to the Ministry of Finance and the Government from under the control of the executive authorities. in favor of a private commercial structure.

        And the author about the enemies of the Americans ...
        1. +2
          22 January 2013 11: 23
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          According to the available information, the government proposes to create a specialized financial institution in the form of a joint stock company, which will be transferred to the functions of managing the resources of the Reserve Fund, the National Welfare Fund, as well as the public debt.

          We still lacked our own FRS.
        2. 0
          22 January 2013 11: 56
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          As far as can be judged, we are essentially talking about the withdrawal of part of the international reserves of Russia belonging to The Ministry of Finance and the Government, from under the control of the executive authorities in favor of a private commercial structure.

          it looks like the "authorities" are carefully preparing for the "global hap" ... request
          what is it for?... feel
        3. +1
          22 January 2013 12: 02
          Apparently the Ministry of Finance has saved up a little bit of an itch and it appeared like it's a naughty brother for everyone, you need to take it right away while the cash register is full, then it will be too late,
        4. Hel
          0
          23 January 2013 10: 42
          They walk through life like a messiah
          And the buck has long reigned in their head,
          Do not believe, my friend, that this is all in Russia,
          For a long time already not in Russia but in Moscow.
      3. +4
        22 January 2013 10: 36
        At the words LIBERALISM, Gaidar, the common people immediately grab their pockets (no matter how they clean the latter), and some immediately take up the DOUBIN!





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        1. +2
          22 January 2013 11: 21
          My other question was whether he saw on the Internet all the dirt that is pouring out into cyberspace about the Russian president and what would happen in the United States to the authors of such statements? The professor answered me honestly - they would have been in jail. .................. on a note to some of the warriors on this site trying to anticipate the judgment of History and setting themselves as the yardstick of everything and everyone
      4. +1
        22 January 2013 12: 11
        Quote: alexneg
        The word liberalism causes heartburn in me
        LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC PARTY OF RUSSIA!
        Well, how's your heartburn? But this is the main and most consistent ally of the current government. Normal contradiction?
        1. +1
          22 January 2013 12: 50
          Quote: Normal
          But this is the main and most consistent ally of the current government.

          this is not an "ally" ... in relation to the Liberal Democratic Party wink the authorities could well declare "I blinded her out of what was ..."
    2. +2
      22 January 2013 11: 52
      Poorly read youth give a future as in Egypt is it really not visible, The most important thing is that the youth does not know about it, So they try to help, But the trouble is just the president decided to run into the liberals from the Ministry of Defense and there will still appear candidates, Liberals are too insolent to seize so that the government began to stagger, Trust slipped to zero, Now only one person loudly declares that he adheres to liberal values, this is Mr. Medvedev, But the nuisance liberal values ​​turned into an impudent robbery of the country, How these values ​​are consistent with the rest of the country's population is unclear, And here another blow from where they did not expect, Take the economy out of the coastal zones, Blow below the belt, Immediately talked about the revolution, you can understand the whole system of robbery collapses, Look how worried, Everything that was created with such difficulty goes to demolition, Here is the secret and becomes obvious, The control system is crumbling over RUSSIA, Just nothing more to add, Article PLUS
    3. +1
      22 January 2013 14: 25
      Well, what did you expect at the Gaidar Forum? Nothing but liberalistic snot.
      And the declared "political scientists" in the person of Bunin, Oreshkin and Dragunsky are not even funny. So, they gathered a party near the liberal, for mass. Well, the Bear was ordered to jump in front of the audience - all the same, there was no image left, and at least he will look after the hamsters.
  2. fenix57
    +16
    22 January 2013 08: 35
    Liberalism is a disaster. The very name "Gaidar Forum" and the presence of Chubais there evoke negative emotions. As Gorbachev was not invited, he would have said something "smart". Like this:
    1. +8
      22 January 2013 10: 08
      If there is something that I cannot understand, why exactly is Gorbachev still alive?
      Because this guy started the processes, as a result of which the fact that now our country is a member of the military-political organization of a potential enemy.
      When will the agreement between Gorbachev and Bush on Malta be announced?
      Why did the Soviet Union leave us to get into the US zone of influence?
      Don't you understand, but after 23 years of "democracy", your former ally, Bulgaria is a humiliation in the ghetto of Europe. This is not the fault of the Bulgarian people. Nobody asked us if you want NATO or not.
      The world just went crazy ...
      1. -1
        22 January 2013 11: 26
        Quote: Zhylaw
        Don't you understand, but after 23 years of "democracy", your former ally, Bulgaria is a humiliation in the ghetto of Europe

        Yes, we understand that, but do you understand that?
        Quote: Zhylaw
        This is not the fault of the Bulgarian people.

        And who is to blame, Russia, that the Bulgarians are now on the other side?
      2. 0
        22 January 2013 12: 53
        Yes, the world has not gone crazy, they just bought our communists. Recently, at a party meeting, one party member said, let’s write a letter to the governor, why they reduced benefits for veterans, to which the secretary of the district committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation replied that there was no need to bother the governor. Probably Zyuganov does not want to bother the president once again.
    2. 0
      22 January 2013 12: 54
      Quote: fenix57
      Liberalism is a disaster. The very name "Gaidar Forum" and the presence of Chubais there evoke negative emotions. As Gorbachev was not invited, he would have said something "smart". Like this:

      What disgusting faces, just sick
  3. +11
    22 January 2013 08: 37
    You know, comrades! I remembered F.M. Dostoevsky, or rather his book called BESY. I honestly don't know why, but I remembered!
  4. +14
    22 January 2013 08: 42
    Remembering the "achievements" and "exploits of Gaidar, all the obscene epithets come to mind, but remembering that he grunted, it is better to keep silent about him, they will be banned winked
    With regards to admirers betrayals ideas of Gaidar and his American scientists owners, I will say so. Fuck what happened in the 90s and now you will not succeed. He will still get rid of the exam, along with some politicians.
  5. zambo
    +10
    22 January 2013 08: 55
    To the author 5 points! "I would have gathered this forum once in the" Gulag paradise "... (as in that song).
  6. +8
    22 January 2013 09: 05
    Ms. Anderson's quote was as straightforward and simple as a rubber baton: everyone makes mistakes, she said, but everything new must be promoted.

    well, yes, they are pushing the world into the abyss and then ........... ?!
    then one more quote - when democracy is implanted there are certain forms of sacrifice, but in the future everything will be fine.

    if the style of her and not the author of the article, they admitted with this word themselves planting, hmm, they know how to admit, they definitely won't have to prove what exactly they are planting.

    quote- He said that Russia has all these attributes, but there is a problem with intelligence.

    that's just the same with this all in the openwork, Russia is a unique country and it has specific economic problems that can be solved without the so-called ready-made recipes from the outside.

    To be honest, my attention was more attracted by the speech of D. Medvedev, who actually declared that the economy should be built according to the precepts of E. Gaidar.
    If this is Medvedev's personal initiative, then in my opinion he committed political suicide, but if this position was agreed with V. Putin, then here, as they say, I just have nothing more to add. request
    1. DYMITRY
      +2
      22 January 2013 11: 37
      Quote: Apollon
      If this is Medvedev's personal initiative, then in my opinion he committed political suicide,

      Well, he started political suicide a long time ago, according to my estimates, from 2009 that way. When I had just started the ritual about the liberalization of economies, the next round of privatization, de-Stalinization and other tions ...
      I have a feeling that iPhone was left in the Kremlin as a crystallization point. So that all ideologists and preachers of Western values ​​have a center of gravity. To all gather in a bunch. So it is easier to follow them, and in which case it is easier to execute. Not catching one by one.
      As in that joke: - I used to collect you for three years in one place !!!
  7. +3
    22 January 2013 09: 09
    I didn't read until the end - the essence is clear - respect for the patience of this threshing floor to the author wink
    Do you know the people that I am happy about all this? - the fact that control is established over each liberal phase, it became clear from the recently deceased Dolmatov angry soldier am
  8. +2
    22 January 2013 09: 30
    .... We were talking about Russia. But they forgot about the Russians ...

    And what about us to remember something ?!
    Gathering, in order to talk about oil and gas, to talk,
    but about the people, what can I say ?!
    Yegorka, everything you need has already said so. Remember? "Social Darwinism" - whoever survives, let him live, and who does not ... in general, "Society", without These, NOT SURVIVORS, it will only become more mobile ...
    Here ...
  9. Nechai
    +7
    22 January 2013 09: 32
    "Liberal ideas in themselves are very attractive and promising (?!?!?!)... But only very strong-minded people who understand economic and political processes can understand them, appreciate and support them. How many of them are there in Russia today? Alas, the overwhelming minority. "
    How do they represent themselves, eh ?! "Elite", what can I say, her mother! The cattle are obliged to go to the slaughter without a murmur. Aha, again "redeeming sacrifice of the great idea" ... This demonic Sabbath "consecrated" with his sermon and "our" Prime Minister. And the little redhead was sitting in the first row, cross-legged, taking credit ...
    Anatoly Nikiforov omitted the proposed economic "elite" essence! Namely:
    - The second stage of privatization is aimed at transferring into private hands those enterprises in which the Trans National Corporations are anyway interested. With the obligatory integration into their production chains;
    - the neo-industrialization of the Russian Federation must be carried out based on the interests of TNCs and the tasks set by them;
    - the management of the economy of the Russian Federation must have exclusively EXTERNAL MANAGEMENT!
    As Marat Musin said, take a recording of the speech of any "elite" bastard and it will be judged in the court of any sovereign state according to the article BREAKING THE HOMELAND! With the imposition of the majority of the verdict - VMN and 25 years of special regime, a rare minority ...
    1. +1
      22 January 2013 10: 47
      Quote: Nechai
      ..... The second stage of privatization is aimed at transferring into private hands those enterprises in which the Trans National Corporations are anyway interested. With the obligatory integration into their production chains;
      - the neo-industrialization of the Russian Federation must be carried out based on the interests of TNCs and the tasks set by them;
      - the management of the economy of the Russian Federation must have exclusively EXTERNAL MANAGEMENT! ...

      And the most interesting thing is that after all this, they are also surprised :: - "Why the people do not like them so much." Why is this?! People, in elections, do not vote for them, who are smart and know everything, but for Putin.
    2. -1
      22 January 2013 12: 11
      What are you chatting about the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation has long been adapted to liberalism, President MEDVEDEV tried, We must wait for what will happen with OBORONSERVIS, According to the new Criminal Code, everything is not so simple, We will wait what happens after the cleaning of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation
  10. mamba
    +4
    22 January 2013 09: 36
    any new business advances its path very difficult and very painful. Anatoly Chubais on the same forum compared this process with childbirth, saying that we are giving birth to a new country, giving birth to property, and it's like giving birth to a child that you can't put back in, and it hurts.
    Does the redhead think of himself as an obstetrician during these childbirth? Then he is either a sadist, somewhat reminiscent of Doctor Mengele from Auschwitz, or a complete dilettante, interested not in the patient's health, but in getting the maximum profit from his suffering.
    The marriage of obstetricians is cerebral palsy in the child and birth trauma in the mother. Mother Russia still cannot recover from these injuries, and the child, the Russian economy, bears all traces of cerebral.
  11. +3
    22 January 2013 09: 40
    That is something I have not seen any positive signs of liberalism in any country in the world where I happened to visit. Ped and ki, lesbians, goths, emo, junkies, kodl dushmans squatting in the center of European capitals and other painted tinsel - is that liberalism? Should we like this ??
    Please dismiss. And if we consider all the more or less productive processes, then in the countries of "liberalism" the order will be much more abrupt than ours. And the liberals are trying to drive us into their swamp with the help of the State Duma. Even the author admits that the deputies have done a lot of things. In the last 300 years, Russia has had three parishes of parliamentarism: the State Duma under Nikolai 11, under Gorbachev of the USSR Armed Forces and under Yeltsin the current State Duma. Under Nicholas !! ended in a tragic catastrophe, under Gorby - an outright clown with another catastrophe, how the current coming of the State Duma will end - is also obvious. The only difference is whether the clownery of the current State Duma, its predecessors, is outdone.
  12. +4
    22 January 2013 09: 42
    Even a layman can see that Western "values" - democracy and liberalism
    led the world community to a dead end. They cannot offer anything new, it begins
    the era of chaos.
  13. CCA
    CCA
    +3
    22 January 2013 09: 48
    The situation is complicated by the fact that the life of Western society, with its cult of consumption and cynical profitability, contrary to common sense, is perceived as a fetish of success and a happy life on the planet ... And until Western life changes, comparable to the sobering effect of the American depression 30- x years of the last century, nothing will change ...
  14. +2
    22 January 2013 10: 09
    .... Germany is returning to the country its gold reserves held abroad ....

    They sense the boshes, the big ***** in the EU, so they row everything for themselves.
    Not that in truth, - "Kirdyk to your America" ​​....?!
  15. Nechai
    0
    22 January 2013 10: 18
    Quote: Begemot
    codly dushmans squatting in the center of European capitals

    No longer just squatting. Over there in London, and the "Muslim" patrols are already establishing an Islamist order ...
  16. -1
    22 January 2013 10: 53
    Nikiforov: "But only very strong-minded people who understand economic and political processes can understand them (liberal ideas), evaluate and support them."
    Where in the world are there such people? Why do you need a spirit for this (ie, inner strength, as I understand it)? Liberalism is aggressive, straightforward and is a good means of zombifying. Apparently, those who do not accept him are not strong in spirit:
    1. +3
      22 January 2013 11: 13
      This liberal viper, the "Gaidar Forum" in its entirety, I want to take, like dog excrement, on a scoop and throw it away. How cleaner the air in Russia would become ...
  17. +4
    22 January 2013 11: 30
    Gaidar has been fried in a pan for a long time, but his work lives on. These polished scum will swallow anyone to death, but there is no faith in these nits.
  18. anchonsha
    +3
    22 January 2013 11: 44
    The question to everyone is, have you ever heard a liberal say something good about Russia ?, about its history ?, about people ?. Yes, this has never been and never will be. And you need to drive them with a filthy broom away from you
  19. mamba
    +2
    22 January 2013 11: 51
    Up to this point, I completely agreed with the author.
    But with what cynicism, almost with tears in his eyes, he asked his listeners: why did you Russians destroy your science, because we looked at you from the bottom up and admired your successes? Harvard professor Neil Ferguson echoed him on the same hysterical note. Admiring Russian science, he literally lamented like a family about its destruction.
    Not we, the Russians, destroyed our science, but a would-be reformer from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, would-be liberals from the economy under EBN, mediocrity and corrupt officials from the government. And the cynicism of foreign professors, if there was, is secondary, and the primary is the cynicism of our authorities.
    And this despite the fact that all Western rhetoric in this direction since the beginning of the nineties boiled down to the fact that there is no science in Russia, scientists cannot and do not want to work here, they leave for the west, where they have to redesign.
    After the destruction of Russian science, when hundreds of thousands of specialists were forced to look for other jobs to feed their families, some of them went abroad. Most of those who remained were forced to redeploy. This is not only "Western rhetoric", but the bitter truth. I went through it myself.
    It turns out that science was, it remains to ask, where did it go, where did the cream of the learned minds go? Are they working in the laboratories of Goldstone and Ferguson today?
    Including there. It would be nice for our government to be interested in this.
    Would you like, gentlemen, to engage in the revival of Russian science, if you are so lamenting about its untimely death? Maybe you will come yourself or will you return the scientific staff?
    Well, this is complete insanity! This question is not for the Western masters, but for the Kremlin ones.
  20. +3
    22 January 2013 12: 41
    An analysis of the articles of Nikiforov, Fedorov, and in aggregate they complement each other, allows us to conclude that the country is really not sovereign and the president is not fully the master of the country, despite the kneeling appeals of the church hierarchs. Then the question arises, why the education was given to the US agent, why the Deputy Prime Minister defends the interests of the United States, why the Central Bank expresses the interests of the Federal Reserve System, why its destroyer is appointed as the Minister of Defense, and, finally, why the FSB, having gigantic amounts of information, does not take appropriate rescue measures countries, and the government is funny to watch. I watched the Gaidurov Forum live on air, what disgusting, well-fed intelligentsia faces, and their words are empty nonsense aimed at pleasing the sitting Americans. If Putin cannot defend the country like Joseph Vissarionovich, then who? On January 21, I watched television, no one remembered the date of V.I. Lenin and only Pushkov, whom I had ceased to respect, again began to moan about the bloody regime of the Bolsheviks, and why not remember the bloody regime of the Democrats, about the massacres during the division of national property, about the murders and suicides of honest people, about the Chechen war and ethnic cleansing of Russians in the Caucasus, about the bloody events in Central Asia and also about the ethnic cleansing of the Russian-speaking population, about the destruction of industry, agriculture, a decrease in defense capability, and most importantly, the decomposition of the soul of the Russian people. Who can credit Mr. Pushkov for this? Probably Pozner and Chubais?
  21. "Delete"
    +1
    22 January 2013 12: 52
    But other Russians are not forgotten

    Nezavisimaya Gazeta writes about the problems associated with the growth of migration in Russia: according to the head of the Federal Migration Service Konstantin Romodanovsky, over the past three years the number of people entering the Russian Federation has increased by almost a quarter, but the number of crimes committed by migrants is decreasing.

    Meanwhile, NG notes with some irony that the population is not aware of the success of the migration service and continues to show serious concern about the crime situation in this area. The head of the Levada Center, Lev Gudkov, explains the result of the survey by conservative stereotypes of the consciousness of Russians, who thus react to the change in the everyday environment, which now includes guest workers.

    On the other hand, the expert emphasizes, people hardly distinguish between external and internal migration. For example, between immigrants from the countries of Central Asia and the North Caucasus.

    The soothing statements of Romodanovsky are not confirmed by the statistics of the law enforcement agencies, the newspaper adds. Already a year ago, Moscow Prosecutor Sergei Kudeneev noted that compared to 2010, migrants committed more murders and attempted murders, as well as robberies and rapes. "That is, with a slight decrease in the total number of crimes, their cruelty grows," says Nezavisimaya.

    The head of the Institute for Globalization Problems, Mikhail Delyagin, in an interview with NG, adds that it should be borne in mind that only every third crime is being investigated. So citizens are hardly deceived in understanding the situation, despite the stereotypes of consciousness.

    Of course, Delyagin notes, some of the crimes are committed by people from the North Caucasus who are not Romodanovsky's wards, "but the overall situation is dire - this also applies to high-profile crimes and the general mood."

    Delyagin claims that a colossal lobby of illegal immigrants has developed in the country. "This lobby, apparently, relies on very powerful financial flows, has its own lawyers, human rights activists, journalists and even bloggers," the expert does not rule out.

    According to the expert, both unscrupulous business and corrupt officials are interested in illegal migration, which generates crime.

    “It’s hard to imagine that none of the deputy prefect of the Central Administrative District of Moscow knows how the situation with illegal migrants living in his district actually develops,” he says. “The criminal business uses the labor of these migrants, and the ethnic mafia their supply is, strictly speaking, engaged in the slave trade. "
  22. +1
    22 January 2013 13: 08
    Who gathered at this forum? Representatives of the ruling class. Ideologists and practitioners of the policy pursued in the country. Members of the government, deputy prime ministers ... ers. Curators came from the west, brought the latest instructions and technologies for the management of the temporarily controlled territory. Even the US Ambassador pinned down, did not hesitate. The President of the Russian Federation sent greetings to the participants and guests of the conference.
    They talked about liberalism and other rubbish.
    And everyone is trying to convince us that the liberals are on Bolotnaya and Sakharov. This is some kind of fifth column receiving instructions and money from the State Department. It was all these provocateurs who came to the opposition to the current government, but that's bad luck; the opposition "turned into a political slush and went into negative oblivion." Well, it doesn't matter; there was no shortage of hearers.

    In general, there have been many interesting supporters of Putin lately. On the one hand, they are a mountain for the GDP, and on the other hand, they are against the policy pursued under the leadership of the President. They are against liberals and democracy, but they do not see the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia as the most consistent ally of the GDP
    1. +1
      22 January 2013 16: 37
      Quote: Normal
      Even the US ambassador pinned down, did not hesitate. The President of the Russian Federation sent greetings to the participants and guests of the conference. We talked about liberalism and other rubbish ... In general, recently there have been many interesting supporters of Putin ...

      so still ... Who are you, mr. Putin? recourse
      1. +1
        22 January 2013 22: 08
        Quote: military
        Who are you, mr. Putin?

        No illusions. negative
        1. 0
          22 January 2013 22: 24
          Quote: Normal
          No illusions.

          Likewise, Watson! ... drinks
  23. +1
    22 January 2013 13: 40
    It's time to start removing the "fifth column" from power in Russia. The Americans came here as a gentleman to their estate, isn't it too early.
  24. 0
    22 January 2013 14: 32
    Yes, let them do what they want. Now, if it were not for the article, I would not have known about this event. And my colleagues do not know. We work as we think is right to feed the company and our families. They will change the rules of the game from above - we will change them from below. The time when we worked for my uncle is over. And it passed in the 70s, when the society declared an Italian strike (went to work, performed other duties, and the output was close to zero).
    Therefore, the provocateurs are counting on young people. You can flirt with young people, only sooner or later you will have to work again. And young people do not really know how to work (and they do not really want to - for the salary of beginners). Therefore, those of ours who support a provocateur like Chubais are suicides.
    But, as the author correctly noted, the majority of the population drew the correct conclusions from the time of rampant democracy and do not want to return. So let these forums go. The main thing is not to perceive them as something necessary and useful for us.
  25. +2
    22 January 2013 15: 27
    Gaidar must be dug up, burned, loaded into a cannon and fired. The rest of his like-minded friends - along with him. In the annals, put him on a par with Hitler.
  26. +1
    22 January 2013 17: 46
    Mouth Front.



    Gaidar Forum, you say ... No.
    This disgusting name makes me sick.
    The reformers are bloody! So that you burn in hell with Yeltsin, padla.
    No pasaran
    1. 0
      23 January 2013 10: 22
      Quote: Comrade1945
      Mouth Front.

      into the mouth ... and to the front ...

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