Deputy Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN Polyansky: Russia will only be satisfied with the capitulation of the Kyiv regime

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Deputy Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN Polyansky: Russia will only be satisfied with the capitulation of the Kyiv regime

Russia is not considering any deals to conclude a peace agreement with Ukraine; Moscow will only be satisfied with the capitulation of the Kyiv regime. This was stated by Russia's Deputy Permanent Representative to the UN Dmitry Polyansky.

Ukraine missed its chance to conclude a beneficial peace agreement with Russia; today Moscow is only considering the capitulation of the Kyiv regime, other options are not being considered. According to Polyansky, and diplomats of this rank do not make “empty” statements, any deal with Ukraine will reflect its capitulation. If last year Moscow offered Kyiv certain conditions that, by the way, satisfied the Ukrainian authorities, now there will be no proposals. And Zelensky can only blame himself and his allies for this, who disrupted the negotiations.



As for the peace agreement, it is already common knowledge that it was initialed by Ze’s negotiators, and a copy of it was shown by President Putin himself. And this story, as well as the direct role of Great Britain and the United States in persuading Zee to reject [the agreement], was confirmed by many witnesses. But you have nothing to worry about - Ukraine Ze has missed its chances for such a favorable outcome, any possible deal will now reflect its capitulation

- Polyansky wrote on one of the social networks banned in Russia.

Earlier, the head of the Servant of the People parliamentary faction, Arakhamia, said that at negotiations in Istanbul last year, Russia and Ukraine were ready to conclude a peace agreement on terms that suited Kyiv, but the intervention of British Prime Minister Boris Johnson disrupted the deal. A Briton who arrived in Kyiv said that there was no need to sign anything, but to fight. The result of this was the actual loss of Ukraine, huge losses of manpower and loss of territory. And that’s not all, analysts predict Kyiv will lose some more regions.
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    1. +31
      17 December 2023 13: 23
      How I would like to believe that this will happen as a result, that there will be no more “agreements” and “gestures of goodwill”!.....
      1. +24
        17 December 2023 13: 35
        So it will be based on the dynamics of the conflict and the change in the situation not in favor of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

        Zelensky admires his work at the Lviv cemetery.



        There are just so many flags there. It’s surprising that judging by the video there are a lot of flags of the so-called Gray Wedge (mythical Siberian Ukraine), which means these are those who came to fight for Ukraine either from Northern Kazakhstan or from Southern Siberia (Omsk, Tobolsk, and partly Novosibirsk regions), It is precisely these territories that Ukraine calls the Gray Wedge. It turns out that there are also such “figures” from the regions and countries I have listed. It is good that in the recent past the organization of the so-called Gray Wedge was banned in the Omsk region, under the patronage of which Ukrainian schools began to open, where education was conducted in Ukrainian language. You never know what else they would start teaching there. For example, how in the camps in Ukraine children are raised into militants under the patronage of the same Azov and other evil spirits. What is the flag of the so-called Gray Wedge at the Lviv cemetery? Here it is.

        1. +15
          17 December 2023 13: 50
          So clearly, clearly and to the point. Now I wish I could implement all this without looking back at the whining of the West. Do only what is in OURS!!!! interests.
          1. -26
            17 December 2023 13: 52
            any possible deal would now reflect her capitulation

            Does surrender mean there is war? But she’s not there. People are still fined for this word. Russia is not waging war (Peskov)
            1. +15
              17 December 2023 14: 07
              If Russia had waged war, Ukraine would no longer exist
              1. +5
                17 December 2023 14: 57
                We are waiting for the return of Kharkov, Odessa and Kyiv to their native shores!
                The Sumerians will still have their beloved Lviv!
                1. +3
                  17 December 2023 23: 25
                  Poles love Lviv.
                  Leaving Westernism to the Sumerians or Poles means planting a bomb for 30-50 years, sooner later, but it will explode. Lenin gave gifts to Ukraine, Stalin gave gifts to Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Kazakhstan, then they fed the Baltic states and Transcaucasia. And where is our friendly family now? They got rid of the Union, broke away, and now they demand reparations. No matter how much you give them, it won’t be enough. Zapadenschina became part of the Union after the war, Poland received German lands in return, and if they want to take back their Kress, then they will have to return Pomerania and Silesia to Russia as the legal successor of the USSR.
              2. -12
                17 December 2023 15: 03
                Oh, damn it, what would change?? Get up, huge country?, in these conditions there is no longer
              3. +2
                18 December 2023 10: 23
                Please tell me what we haven’t used in Ukraine yet. It looks like they threw everything they had there. Except for nuclear weapons.
                Russia has not yet won the war in Ukraine because it cannot win yet.
                Yes, the war has turned in the right direction - they finally began to increase resources and turned industry in a military direction.
                But at the front, you see what is happening - a hundred meters there - a hundred meters there.

                The guys who work at the front are, without a doubt, doing everything they can, but physically they cannot STILL break the Armed Forces of Ukraine because there are about the same number of them, if not fewer, than the soldiers in the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

                The problem is strategy, not tactics. The state must provide the army with the tools to solve the problem.
            2. +19
              17 December 2023 14: 12
              Does surrender mean there is war? But she’s not there.

              Surrender is a complete and final cessation of resistance by the forces of one of the warring parties. This is the final stage any armed conflict, , not just wars.
              Surrender can be of four types: honorable, simple (ordinary), general (complete) and unconditional, depending on the conditions for the cessation of hostilities.
              Honorable surrender - cessation of hostilities in connection with an agreement reached between the warring parties, according to which the capitulating party has the right to leave its positions or besieged city (fortress, zone) with banners, equipment, weapons and weapons and subsequently unite with its main armed forces to continue conducting combat operations.
              Simple (ordinary) surrender - cessation of hostilities, surrender of a besieged fortress (city, zone, position), disarmament of the capitulating party and its capture. Such capitulation does not mean the end of the war as a whole, although it may have an impact on the military-political situation of the warring states.
              General (complete) surrender - a widespread general cessation of hostilities with the surrendering state recognizing its defeat in the war. As a result of general surrender, all armed forces of the capitulating state are disarmed. The territory of such a state may be occupied, and the defeated state may be subject to certain political and material responsibilities (reparations).
              Unconditional surrender - a widespread cessation of hostilities, disarmament and surrender of all armed forces of the capitulating state without any conditions. The state is deprived of sovereignty, its territory is occupied (in this case, the borders and territory of the state can be changed by the will of the winner), supreme power is exercised by specially appointed persons on behalf of the victorious state (coalition of states).
              The winners (the winner) determine the future political settlement, develop specific sanctions, types and forms of political and material responsibility of the defeated state, and decide on the issue of bringing the main war criminals to justice. The defeated state has no right to reject or fail to comply with the terms of unconditional surrender, either at the time of surrender or after it.
              The Second World War ended with the unconditional surrender of Italy, Nazi Germany, and then Japan.

              https://war_peace_terms.academic.ru/386/%D0%9A%D0%90%D0%9F%D0%98%D0%A2%D0%A3%D0%9B%D0%AF%D0%A6%D0%98%D0%AF
              1. +11
                17 December 2023 14: 31
                Quote: Ascetic
                Surrender can be of four types: honorable, simple (ordinary), general (complete) and unconditional, depending on the conditions for the cessation of hostilities.

                Probably, in the case of Ze, we will have to introduce, especially for him, a fifth type of surrender - Shameful capitulation.
                I think the lawyers will write down the right conditions. Our lawyers are no worse than the American ones, who wrote the “Fifth Article” of the NATO Charter and are now catching East European idiots with it like crucian carp with a jig.
                1. +4
                  17 December 2023 14: 44
                  Shameful capitulation.

                  I applaud while standing drinks It is imperative to introduce such a term for everyone who wants to fight with Russia!

                2. 0
                  17 December 2023 15: 06
                  - Shameful surrender

                  I hope there’s nothing like that... Isn’t it provided?
                  1. +5
                    17 December 2023 15: 41
                    Quote: novel xnumx
                    - Shameful surrender

                    I hope there’s nothing like that... Isn’t it provided?

                    I, Roman, am a militant homophobe. So, with regards to me personally, I would not allow anything SUCH in the interpretation of the concept of “Shameful Surrender”. And why mock people, even very bad ones? They taught me how to use a knife; I could paint it “Khokhloma” with a knife. Maybe boil it in boiling water... In extreme cases - “into a vat of shit and whack over your head!” AND THIS is not our style, we are humanists. Isn't it true? drinks
            3. +2
              17 December 2023 16: 09
              When you capitulate to your wife, is that also war? wassat
              Quote: Stinging_Nettle
              Does surrender mean there is war?
            4. -7
              17 December 2023 16: 41
              what is the level of this statement? what is the official status? We only have Nebenzya an official representative at the UN... a loud photograph but essentially another fart from yet another Medvedev for internal consumption on a banned social network
          2. +1
            17 December 2023 16: 09
            Our interests, with the exception of stopping the extermination of the Russian nation, are not even close.
          3. +4
            17 December 2023 16: 21
            Quote: Black
            So clearly, clearly and to the point. Now I wish I could implement all this without looking back at the whining of the West. Do only what is in OURS!!!! interests.

            Polyanesky is handsome, he said the long-awaited thing.
            Next, we are waiting for confirmation from Nebenzi and Lavrov.
        2. +12
          17 December 2023 13: 57
          Quote from: neworange88
          Zelensky admires his work at the Lviv cemetery.

          Remember the “$10 for every Muscovite” posters in 000?
          The North Military District began and everything turned out the other way around, 1 killed and missing Hohdokhvoin (who dreamed of joining the EU and NATO)))))
          Zelensky became a multi-billionaire and his entourage
          Now no negotiations with the State Department mongrels!"
          Forgive us. Fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers will not forgive us. Let’s strangle the reptile! soldier
        3. 0
          17 December 2023 13: 59
          In continuation of my previous post. News from August 28, 2020.

          In Omsk, the center of Ukrainian culture “Siry Klin” will be liquidated...
          It is noted that For about 20 years, until recently, the Siberian Center of Ukrainian Culture was headed by Sergei Vinnik. This organization was registered in the early 2000s. However, law enforcement officers opened a criminal case against him on charges of unlawful actions during bankruptcy. Not so long ago Vinnik represented the interests of the Canadian non-governmental movement “Ukrainian World Congress” in the Supreme Court. By decision of the Prosecutor General's Office, the organization was recognized as undesirable.

          https://m.bk55.ru/news/article/173048/

          It would be nice to deal with extremists. Those who promote what is on the link below.
          https://t.me/s/gray_siberia
          1. +14
            17 December 2023 14: 44
            Quote from: neworange88
            In continuation of my previous post. News from August 28, 2020.

            My grandfather lived in the Omsk region.
            A native of Vinnytsia region, born in 1907. He ended up in Siberia as a homeless child, and from the age of eight he was in Ukraine once - when a tanker liberated Dnepropetrovsk, where he was seriously wounded. Siege survivor, taken out of Leningrad during the first winter of the siege along the Road of Life, weighing 42 kilograms (healthy man, tank driver).
            Died in 1979. The cause of death was injuries and digestive problems associated with starvation during the Siege.
            All my life I spoke Ukrainian (not Surzhik!), and was the head of the local police in the village. Above the bed hung a portrait of J.V. Stalin in a ceremonial uniform with orders.

            Why am I talking about my Ukrainian grandfather?
            And besides, he would have come across that “Grey Wedge”...
            Not one would have left - whoever he had not strangled with his hands, he would have taken out a bullet from a gun. Anyone who tried to run away from the bullet would be caught on horseback and trampled under his hooves.
      2. -7
        17 December 2023 14: 17
        Thrifty
        How I would like to believe that this will happen as a result, that there will be no more “agreements” and “gestures of goodwill”!

        I have a question for you - what is this?
        Russia is not considering any deals to conclude a peace agreement with Ukraine; Moscow will only be satisfied with the capitulation of the Kyiv regime. This was stated by Russia's Deputy Permanent Representative to the UN Dmitry Polyansky.
        Ukraine missed its chance to conclude a beneficial peace agreement with Russia; today Moscow is only considering the capitulation of the Kyiv regime, other options are not being considered.


        What does the surrender of the Kyiv regime mean? Change of power, change of actions in your behavior?! Fixing borders on the existing scale and declaring peaceful existence?

        And who on both sides will be happy about this peaceful coexistence along the borders for 20-30 years? What is there, that here they remember those who are no longer around.
        Those. again the same rake “at the top there was an agreement, but below there was massacre and frame-up among the population”
        1. +2
          17 December 2023 15: 00
          I'll add to my message.

          True, I will refer to Wiki in it:
          1. Surrender (German: Kapitulation) - an agreement to end the armed struggle between opposing forces in international law - the cessation of armed struggle and the surrender of the armed forces of one of the warring states.
          The surrendering party tries to negotiate possibly favorable terms, which the law directly obliges to do. The Hague Convention on the Laws and Customs of War on Land of 1907 regulates the negotiation process preceding surrender. The enemy communicates his desire to capitulate by sending his negotiator with a white flag. According to Article 32 of the Convention, “A parliamentarian is considered to be a person authorized by one of the warring parties to enter into negotiations with the other and who appears with a white flag.” His physical destruction, as well as mockery of him, is unacceptable
          2. Unconditional surrender (US) - a widespread cessation of hostilities, disarmament and surrender of all armed forces of the capitulating state without any conditions.
          The state is deprived of sovereignty, its territory is occupied (in this case, the borders and territory of the state can be changed by the will of the winner), supreme power is exercised by specially appointed persons on behalf of the victorious state (or coalition of states). At the same time, the winners (the winner) determine the future political settlement, develop specific sanctions, types and forms of political and material responsibility of the defeated state, and decide on the issue of bringing the main war criminals to justice. The defeated state has no right to reject or not fulfill the terms of unconditional surrender, either at the time of surrender or after it.


          It seems to me that clause 1 of the Russian Federation has already been passed in the form of the Minsk agreements. The result is now visible to the naked eye.
        2. +4
          17 December 2023 15: 37
          Quote from A17ttt
          What does the surrender of the Kyiv regime mean? Change of power, change of actions in your behavior?! Fixing borders on the existing scale and declaring peaceful existence?

          What type of surrender we are talking about, unconditional or on some conditions, is not entirely clear, but this is huge progress, i.e. Minsky-NN are excluded.
          Surrender implies the first stage of disarmament of the enemy, and only then a political settlement.
          1. 0
            17 December 2023 16: 01
            Captain Pushkin (Peter)
            those. Minsky-NN excluded
            -
            These are your thoughts, I didn’t read this in the text.
            1. +5
              17 December 2023 16: 14
              Quote from A17ttt
              Captain Pushkin (Peter)
              those. Minsky-NN excluded
              -
              These are your thoughts, I didn’t read this in the text.

              The text contains the word surrender.
              I repeat: Surrender implies the first stage of disarmament of the enemy, and only then a political settlement.
              Those. first hand over your weapons, and then we'll talk.
              If the opponent only has a good word, and we have a good word and a gun, negotiations are doomed to success.
              1. -2
                17 December 2023 16: 22
                Captain Pushkin (Peter)
                I repeat: Surrender implies the first stage of disarmament of the enemy, and only then a political settlement.
                Those. first hand over your weapons, and then we'll talk.
                If the opponent only has a good word, and we have a good word and a gun, negotiations are doomed to success.

                I repeat - these are your thoughts.

                In fact, there are 2 rules of law (read my footnote from Wiki), which means that the parties have the right to accept one of the rules of law, but not, as in your case, consistently.

                And if we think in this vein, then the Russian Federation proposes
                1. Surrender (German: Kapitulation) - an agreement to end the armed struggle between opposing forces in international law - the cessation of armed struggle and the surrender of the armed forces of one of the warring states.
                The surrendering party tries to negotiate possibly favorable terms, which the law directly obliges to do. The Hague Convention on the Laws and Customs of War on Land of 1907 regulates the negotiation process preceding surrender. The enemy communicates his desire to capitulate by sending his negotiator with a white flag. According to Article 32 of the Convention, “A parliamentarian is considered to be a person authorized by one of the warring parties to enter into negotiations with the other and who appears with a white flag.” His physical destruction, as well as mockery of him, is unacceptable
                - i.e. agreement.
    2. -3
      17 December 2023 13: 25
      diplomats of this rank do not make “empty” statements


      lol lol lol
      1. +5
        17 December 2023 14: 35
        These words would sound better at a UN meeting than on a banned social network.
    3. +7
      17 December 2023 13: 29
      Well, actually this is expected - everything is clear with the Istanbul negotiations (they signed - they abandoned the signed agreement, who will believe them now), but the news is good in any case :)
    4. 0
      17 December 2023 13: 29
      Fresh tradition, but hard to believe ....
    5. +10
      17 December 2023 13: 29
      The French idiot still wants Vladimir Vladimirovich to call him? lol
      1. +6
        17 December 2023 13: 37
        Quote: tralflot1832
        The French idiot still wants Vladimir Vladimirovich to call him? lol

        Lexus and Vovan have already called everyone and found out their essence
    6. +5
      17 December 2023 13: 30
      The only thing that is not clear is how the surrender will be formalized if war has not yet been declared. The beginning of the SVO was announced and, as far as I understand, the end of the SVO does not require such registration.
      1. +2
        17 December 2023 14: 05
        Even if the Northern Military District is not formalized as a war, the formalization of the surrender of the West and Ukraine will be done in such a way that there will be no double reading. (“Or do I not know people?” the panther Bagheera from “The Jungle Book” by Mowgli R. Kipling).
    7. +3
      17 December 2023 13: 31
      Any mention of ukre should be erased from history, in other respects kuk and skotomova-bandera-zeltzer, etc. No ukry, no problem!
      1. +5
        17 December 2023 13: 53
        If you erase the mention of some serious illness from the medical history, then preventive measures against relapse will not be taken, so it will not take long to occur. No, you don't have to do that. It’s time for Ukraine as a state to end and end forever. And precisely in order for it to end once and for all, all the consequences of Ukrainian “independence” and its course must be carefully documented and included in history books.
    8. +8
      17 December 2023 13: 35
      Well, okay, let’s say she capitulated tomorrow. What's next? WHAT will the post-war world look like? It seems to me that it would be much easier to fight if a clear vision of it were voiced on our part. And it would become clear to us what we are actually fighting for, and on the other side thoughts might arise that the future for some territories and citizens is not so bad, so is it worth dying while opposing it?
      1. +6
        17 December 2023 13: 42
        Quote: paul3390
        And it would become clear to us what we are actually fighting for, and on the other side thoughts might arise that the future for some territories and citizens is not so bad, so is it worth dying while opposing it?

        It's your message that I like the most...
      2. -11
        17 December 2023 14: 00
        Quote: paul3390
        And it would become clear to us what we are actually fighting for

        Are we at war? You write as if you yourself are somehow involved. If you are writing from a trench, from a military enterprise (or a related one), from a design bureau... then honor and respect to you. And if not, then why stick to other people’s affairs? In my opinion, writing “we are at war” without having a direct personal connection to it is somehow... well... unethical.
        1. +9
          17 December 2023 14: 22
          Well, you have some rather medieval concepts about war. Like - knights fight, the rest don’t care about their showdowns. Alas for you - modern war is the fruit of the efforts of the entire state, of all citizens. And those who are not directly at the front also participate in it. Where do you think weapons, ammunition, equipment, salaries for soldiers, etc., come from? At our expense. Through our efforts. Or have you not noticed how the events of the last two years have affected almost the entire population?

          To listen to you, only front-line soldiers took part in the Second World War.. Everyone who worked hard in the rear had nothing to do with the war..
          1. -3
            17 December 2023 15: 09
            I wrote that I consider workers of military enterprises, related enterprises and design bureaus also involved. I understand that the military-industrial complex for success in war is even more important than what happens directly on the battlefield.
            But, as I believe, many who write “we are at war” have nothing to do with him.
            Quote: paul3390
            Or have you not noticed how the events of the last two years have affected almost the entire population?

            No. Prices have increased, but as usual, they would have increased anyway. Maybe a little less, but this is not a reason to attribute to yourself any relation to the current historical events.
          2. +1
            17 December 2023 16: 59
            Everyone who worked in the rear had nothing to do with the war..

            That's almost how it is considered. "Thank the granfather for the victory". The grandmother, who cared for the children in difficult conditions, received no thanks and, most importantly, no huge pensions.
      3. -3
        17 December 2023 15: 28
        Quote: paul3390
        "post-war", "to fight", "we are at war"

        In your post you defined the concept of war three times.
        Is it possible to find out who we are fighting with and who the Outskirts is fighting with? So, where do we conduct the SVO?
        You see, if there is a war, then this is a different management and indicators of life, economics, discipline, and so on.
        1. 0
          17 December 2023 18: 05
          People want pathos. Why interfere?
    9. -5
      17 December 2023 13: 36
      And everything will be like this now! A piece of this territory 404 should be left and again the cancerous tumor of European fascism will begin to multiply, fueled from overseas..
      Let’s resolve the issue with the Khokhlo-Saxons, let’s take care of North and South America. There, no one has seen or heard “democracy” for a long time. The Russians are coming to YOU!!!!
      1. 0
        17 December 2023 16: 17
        Yes, easily. Landing to Washington and Khan America. laughing
    10. +1
      17 December 2023 13: 36
      As for the peace agreement, it is already common knowledge that it was initialed by Ze’s negotiators, and a copy of it was shown by President Putin himself. And this story, as well as the direct role of Great Britain and the United States in persuading Zee to reject [the agreement], has been confirmed by many witnesses. But you have nothing to worry about - Ukraine Ze has missed its chances for such a favorable outcome, any possible deal will now reflect its capitulation


      If this text is a quotation from the original...
      Can a diplomat really say that?
      Ze. Then Ba, Sho, Ma...
      So what is next? Poo? Si? Pa? That?
    11. +1
      17 December 2023 13: 41
      Somehow I didn’t understand, “our conditions are unconditional surrender,” or “a deal on any terms is capitulation”?

      Oh, these diplomats.
      1. +1
        17 December 2023 13: 51
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        Somehow I didn’t understand, “our conditions are unconditional surrender,” or “a deal on any terms is capitulation”?

        Oh, these diplomats.

        I think that any deal on TV will be called an unconditional surrender. And whoever disagrees with this, domestic propagandists will laugh at them live and call them not very smart people
      2. +6
        17 December 2023 14: 00
        A deal is considered profitable if both parties are convinced that they have cheated each other. wink
    12. +2
      17 December 2023 13: 43
      Russia is not considering any deals to conclude a peace agreement with Ukraine; Moscow will only be satisfied with the capitulation of the Kyiv regime. This was stated by Russia's Deputy Permanent Representative to the UN Dmitry Polyansky.

      I'm extremely happy to hear this!!! Officially and for the whole world!!! Let the West conclude all “deals” on Ukraine’s terms in its virtual world in which it resides
    13. 0
      17 December 2023 13: 46
      Well, then there are two outcomes, either we break through them and Bobik’s card, or they blow up one or more of their nuclear power plants, then Bobik will also be kaput, but the EU will also get it for his kindness.
    14. +4
      17 December 2023 13: 48
      The result of this was the actual loss of Ukraine, huge losses of manpower and loss of territory. And that’s not all, analysts predict Kyiv will lose some more regions.
      I wouldn’t rush to say, sir, it seems like good prospects are emerging, but for now these are only prospects, they still need to be realized
    15. 0
      17 December 2023 13: 50
      was initialed by Ze negotiators

      Did a diplomat of this rank say so??)
      1. +2
        17 December 2023 14: 15
        Wrote. Especially in a prohibited messenger. This is tyrnet. Everything is possible there
    16. osp
      +3
      17 December 2023 13: 51
      The Americans are already clearly trying to prolong this war as much as possible by giving Ukraine so many weapons that it cannot attack quickly and effectively.
      And at the same time, they give enough so that she can effectively hold the front line, which has been happening for more than a year.
      That is, it is clearly visible that the United States is maximally interested in such a positional war, probably with the aim of maximizing the impact on Russian demography in the long term.

      But everything can change at any moment when the Americans consider it beneficial for themselves.
      Both in one direction and in the other.
      That is, they can either sharply increase or decrease these arms supplies.
      And only the existing stockpiles of weapons will be enough for them to fuel this conflict for another 8-10 years.
      Those weapons that are being written off.
      1. -3
        17 December 2023 15: 40
        Quote from osp
        And only the existing stockpiles of weapons will be enough for them to fuel this conflict for another 8-10 years.

        Oh I doubt it. The collective West is already exhausted under the weight of sanctions on Russia and from the global crisis that began with the Northeast Military District, as the fall of the hegemon continues and the demise of the European-glamorous economy accelerates.
    17. +1
      17 December 2023 13: 56
      Ukraine Ze has missed its chances for such a favorable outcome, any possible deal will now reflect its capitulation
      I hope the Russian Federation will begin to use and destroy everything and everyone in the Ukrainian Republic in order to destroy its enemies!
      (any possible deal will now reflect her capitulation)
      There must be a capitulation, not a deal!
    18. -1
      17 December 2023 13: 56
      If the 404th had signed a peace treaty in the spring of 2022, they would have saved the country minus Crimea and half of Donbass, access to the Sea of ​​Azov, all the ports, economy, infrastructure, people would quickly return home and there would be 300-400 thousand more people alive and more than 500 thousand not maimed. But this is not at all what the Anglo-Saxons need. So they plunged the shavarniks into the abyss. And this may not be the end yet...
      1. +3
        17 December 2023 14: 08
        And then they would gather their strength, draw their conclusions and, with full support, go again. And the battles, perhaps, would now take place not for the Nechipabatka farm, but for Smolensk. To the delight of the West. And things would come close to the use of nuclear weapons. And 300-400 thousand. would have died in the first minute. And the total cost would be millions... We will win in any case, there is no doubt. The question is - at what cost?
        1. +3
          17 December 2023 17: 04
          We will win in any case, there is no doubt. The question is - at what cost?

          The question is - who are we? So far, I see the victory of Kadyrov and his son over the laws of the Russian Federation. What happens next?
    19. +1
      17 December 2023 14: 03
      Russia will only be satisfied with the capitulation of the Kyiv regime

      Caputilation (this is from German), I think, would also suit.
      1. +2
        17 December 2023 14: 48
        Quote: Polite Moose
        Russia will only be satisfied with the capitulation of the Kyiv regime

        Caputilation (this is from German), I think, would also suit.

        I couldn't comprehend your brilliant idea request
        1. -2
          17 December 2023 15: 05
          Quote: Vasia
          I couldn't comprehend your brilliant idea

          It's simple. Kyiv is kaput!
          1. +1
            17 December 2023 15: 08
            Quote: Polite Elk
            It's simple. Kyiv is kaput!

            Thank you, definitely hi
    20. -3
      17 December 2023 14: 03
      Exactly. Finally the words were heard not from the boy, but from the husband
    21. osp
      +5
      17 December 2023 14: 08
      Quote: paul3390
      Well, okay, let’s say she capitulated tomorrow. What's next? WHAT will the post-war world look like? It seems to me that it would be much easier to fight if a clear vision of it were voiced on our part. And it would become clear to us what we are actually fighting for, and on the other side thoughts might arise that the future for some territories and citizens is not so bad, so is it worth dying while opposing it?

      Well, let’s say it capitulated and the West stopped funding it.
      There is no economy of its own there, nor production.

      And from what sources will Ukrainian pensioners and disabled people returning from the front receive pensions?
      And there are not 5-10 thousand of them there, there can be up to 10 million of them.

      So who will they live off of? Again at the expense of dying Russians who will pay for this with another increase in taxes and the retirement age.
      Someone has already paid with the loss of a husband, son, brother.
    22. osp
      +4
      17 December 2023 14: 20
      Quote: Glagol1
      If the 404th had signed a peace treaty in the spring of 2022, they would have saved the country minus Crimea and half of Donbass, access to the Sea of ​​Azov, all the ports, economy, infrastructure, people would quickly return home and there would be 300-400 thousand more people alive and more than 500 thousand not maimed. But this is not at all what the Anglo-Saxons need. So they plunged the shavarniks into the abyss. And this may not be the end yet...

      This already took place in 2015 in Minsk.
      And thanks to this, Ukraine received more than 7 years for quality preparation for war.
      No one would ever give any guarantees of Russia's non-aligned and neutral status there.
      Neither Zelensky nor his followers.
      There are no such concepts in the Constitution.
      In the best case, it would be put to a vote in parliament or a national referendum.
      The result is not in favor of Russia.
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    24. 0
      17 December 2023 14: 36
      It seems that in some future Boris Johnson will need to be given an award something like “For New Lands” ;)
    25. +1
      17 December 2023 15: 33
      Definitely!!!!!Complete and unconditional surrender of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the trial of Nazi criminals.
    26. -4
      17 December 2023 15: 36
      No matter what anyone thinks... sedition or something else... but we will have to come to terms with the idea of ​​banning the English language on the planet... gradually, first here, then to convince our friends... and we will ban it even in England.
      To send a signal to begin practical actions to destroy the lair of evil - racism and Nazism on Earth. Which is what the Anglo-Saxon territories are.
      It’s the same with the artificial “Ukrainian language” – rust that corrodes the soul of a united people. Let's ban it everywhere and forever.
    27. -4
      17 December 2023 15: 56
      The main thing is that Russia, after the capitulation of this sub-state, does not feed this entire multimillion-strong crowd of “brothers”. Russia includes only Russian-speaking regions that deserve this right for many reasons. The rest should be turned into an incomprehensible non-state entity under our protectorate. Let them survive as they wish. And even better - to revive such a forgotten concept as a colony. And call the remnants of Ukraine your colony. And do with it what all Western countries did with their colonies.
      1. +2
        17 December 2023 16: 19
        No, that's not possible.
        We must assist everyone who wants to leave Ukraine for the West as much as possible; it will be cheaper than feeding, catching, and maintaining them.
        Let them go.
        1. +2
          17 December 2023 16: 38
          Quote: 75Sergey
          We must assist everyone who wants to leave Ukraine for the West as much as possible; it will be cheaper than feeding, catching, and maintaining them.
          Let them go.

          Workers will leave, pensioners and disabled people will remain.
          It would be more correct to carry out reindustrialization and integration of the regions into the Russian Federation.
          These territories, with proper management, can feed themselves and help those in need.
          1. 0
            18 December 2023 09: 25
            If they don’t accept Russia, then such “working hands” will only cause more harm, and the elderly and disabled - educating young people, no, what for - buy them a ticket to Europe and let them go.
            1. +1
              18 December 2023 11: 03
              The majority will live and work normally and law-abidingly. And those who “love Russia” and those who “don’t.”
              Active dissidents will have to be purged. And “their example is a lesson to others.”
              After the civil war, everything was much more difficult, but we survived.
              1. 0
                18 December 2023 21: 22
                They just called it terror and repression, and on this wave they overthrew the Union.
      2. 0
        17 December 2023 16: 36
        It is enough to liberate Odessa and the remnants of this misunderstanding will themselves turn into a sub-state! And the Banderlogs will run to the satanic west to wander and chat!
    28. 0
      17 December 2023 16: 17
      The West helped us again, oddly enough!
      The West tried to restore industry - at the instigation of the West, limit the sale of resources to Russia - the West tried to confiscate looted property - the West is working, now negotiate in the right direction - it turns out that it distinguished itself here too.
      And the heavens will glorify Your wonderful works, O Lord,
      and Thy truth in the assembly of the saints.
    29. +3
      17 December 2023 16: 32
      I'm sitting here and thinking. What reward should we give to Boris Johnson for not having to accept the shameful toilet paper?
    30. +2
      17 December 2023 16: 43
      Finally, the goals of the Northern Military District have been announced! Surrender
    31. 0
      17 December 2023 17: 23
      Quote: Zoldat_A
      Quote: novel xnumx
      - Shameful surrender

      I hope there’s nothing like that... Isn’t it provided?

      I, Roman, am a militant homophobe. So, with regards to me personally, I would not allow anything SUCH in the interpretation of the concept of “Shameful Surrender”. And why mock people, even very bad ones? They taught me how to use a knife; I could paint it “Khokhloma” with a knife. Maybe boil it in boiling water... In extreme cases - “into a vat of shit and whack over your head!” AND THIS is not our style, we are humanists. Isn't it true? drinks

      Yes, we do, but everyone is different...
    32. +1
      17 December 2023 17: 46
      Did the Ukrainians “have a chance?” - when is it interesting?
    33. osp
      +2
      17 December 2023 17: 47
      Quote: Irokez
      Quote from osp
      And only the existing stockpiles of weapons will be enough for them to fuel this conflict for another 8-10 years.

      Oh I doubt it. The collective West is already exhausted under the weight of sanctions on Russia and from the global crisis that began with the Northeast Military District, as the fall of the hegemon continues and the demise of the European-glamorous economy accelerates.

      And how many Abrams, Apaches, F-16s and ATACMS have the US given Ukraine as of today?
      There are not a thousand of the latest missiles in the Pentagon's arsenals. And everything is to be thrown away and written off.
      Those with a range of 300 km.

      But for now they gave us 15-20 old ones with a range of 150 km and that’s it.
      1. 0
        18 December 2023 21: 24
        Wait, not all at once.
        Let’s swallow 150 km, they will have 300 and 1000.
    34. +1
      17 December 2023 17: 50
      Russia is not considering any deals to conclude a peace agreement with Ukraine; Moscow will only be satisfied with the capitulation of the Kyiv regime. This was stated by Russia's Deputy Permanent Representative to the UN Dmitry Polyansky.
      Hmm, a bold statement, however... winked
    35. +2
      17 December 2023 18: 06
      Ukraine missed its chance to conclude a beneficial peace agreement with Russia; today Moscow is only considering the capitulation of the Kyiv regime, other options are not being considered.

      That's it! As they say: “The death of the enemy is the end of the calculation”!
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    37. +1
      18 December 2023 10: 31
      Just like a dragon. One head says that negotiations are not suitable, the second that they are ready for negotiations, and the third generally nominates itself...
    38. 0
      18 December 2023 11: 43
      The word is not a sparrow...I would really like to believe that this is the official position. But what about “our” oligarchs??? How is their business with 404? Will they change their shoes calmly?
    39. 0
      20 December 2023 11: 50
      Everything is fine! Just one question:
      - What to do if “VNA” refuses to “capitulate”? Stand for 2, 3, 4, 5..., 10 years, where and now?
      Someone here aptly remarked: “100 meters here, 100 meters there.”
      And whoever is from Sumleva, welcome to the federal TV channels. Everything is shown there on maps, everything is openly visible, officially...
      Sorry, or is it not yet clear that there will never be PROMOTION to the western borders of Ukraine? And there will be no ceremonial parade in Kyiv either!
      What will happen? - Aaaaaaaa...., again we are watching federal TV channels. Everything is laid out there as formally, clearly and intelligibly as possible.
      And I didn’t come up with anything! I just watched the official Federal TV sets.

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