Russian troops began equipping positions with special protection against FPV drones

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Russian troops began equipping positions with special protection against FPV drones

Russian troops began to use protection of positions from FPV-drones enemy by installing special frames and ceilings over the trenches. Images of positions of Russian troops equipped in this way are published by Ukrainian resources.

Drums Drones, including kamikaze drones, have become widespread recently. Relatively cheap FPV drones are used to destroy both armored vehicles and manpower. It is almost impossible to hide from drones in trenches open from above, as evidenced by numerous videos filmed by both sides of the conflict.



The enemy is posting footage of our trenches, which are equipped with frames and ceilings to protect against FPV drones and airdrops

- write Russian resources.


Now the Russian military has come up with protection against drones by installing frames and ceilings over trenches. Naturally, such protection will not save you from a direct hit, but it will make it difficult to visually monitor the movement of Russian military personnel along these same trenches. It will no longer be possible to deliver a targeted blow to the fighters, and this will save someone’s life. Lately, FPV drones have been causing a lot of problems, essentially replacing artillery for the enemy.

By the way, it will not be surprising if after some time we see exactly the same protective structures over the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
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    1. +1
      10 December 2023 13: 59
      Isn’t the mask mesh simpler? If we're talking about visual observation...
      1. +17
        10 December 2023 14: 04
        everything is perfectly visible in the infrared spectrum under the grid
        1. +2
          10 December 2023 14: 08
          drones with IR are still a rarity - they mostly fly at night, and the mask network is an order of magnitude cheaper than such designs... and in the article it is written about visual observation... the network - brought it, installed it - it works... imagine how much more complicated such a design as in the article is ..unless we completely slip into “trench warfare”...
          1. +7
            10 December 2023 14: 18
            Quote: 2 level advisor
            drones with IR are still a rarity - they mostly fly at night, and the mask network is an order of magnitude cheaper than such designs... and in the article it is written about visual observation... the network - brought it, installed it - it works... imagine how much more complicated such a design as in the article is ..unless we completely slip into “trench warfare”...

            I saw a video in the cart of how our FPV drones with an IR camera destroy individual Ukronazi infantrymen at night. One drone - one blind eye. am
            These drones are especially effective in winter. A camouflage network will not solve the problem of protecting personnel. Moreover, dugouts and dugouts somehow glow in the IR range in winter. Maskseti is the last century.
            Although it is certainly possible to develop modern networks with IR shielding.
            1. +6
              10 December 2023 14: 22
              they've screwed it up... but it's better to put armored panels over the trenches, and with active protection just in case and 5 anti-aircraft guns... but at least who has seen the net masks en masse over the trenches? I haven’t watched many videos and there are none.. I’m talking about cheap and cheerful, and not about the fact that it’s bad..
              1. +7
                10 December 2023 14: 28
                Quote: 2 level advisor
                they've screwed it up... but it's better to put armored panels over the trenches, and with active protection just in case and 5 anti-aircraft guns... but at least who has seen the net masks en masse over the trenches? I haven’t watched many videos and there are none.. I’m talking about cheap and cheerful, and not about the fact that it’s bad..

                Cheap is not always cheerful.
                A grid is better than nothing.
                But when you yourself are sitting in a trench: any protection seems insufficient, even an overlap of three rolls.
                1. 0
                  10 December 2023 22: 09
                  Quote: Bearded
                  Quote: 2 level advisor
                  they've screwed it up... but it's better to put armored panels over the trenches, and with active protection just in case and 5 anti-aircraft guns... but at least who has seen the net masks en masse over the trenches? I haven’t watched many videos and there are none.. I’m talking about cheap and cheerful, and not about the fact that it’s bad..

                  Cheap is not always cheerful.
                  A grid is better than nothing.
                  But when you yourself are sitting in a trench: any protection seems insufficient, even an overlap of three rolls.

                  Looks like there aren't enough networks. On the other side, by the way, too. Volunteers are constantly needed to knit nets.
                  1. 0
                    10 December 2023 22: 40
                    Денег не хватает, а не сетей: 2000 объявлений только на Авито - https://www.avito.ru/all/ohota_i_rybalka?cd=1&q=%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%87%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F+%D1%81%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%BA%D0%B0
              2. +7
                10 December 2023 21: 20
                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                they've screwed it up... but it's better to put armored panels over the trenches, and with active protection just in case and 5 anti-aircraft guns... but at least who has seen the net masks en masse over the trenches? I haven’t watched many videos and there are none.. I’m talking about cheap and cheerful, and not about the fact that it’s bad..

                Why are the minusers so excited? IR range, all sorts of buzzwords...
                From the sofa, of course, the theorists of trench warfare know better. And when they shoot over your head, you’ll cover yourself with cat shit, even if it’s guaranteed to protect you from bullets. Well, or at least it will increase the chance of survival.
                If plywood shields, mask netting, roll-ups in trenches and other amateur activities are standard and don’t really help save someone’s life, then what difference does it make whether it’s the last century, the century before last, or just stone?
            2. +6
              10 December 2023 14: 26
              networks with shielding in the IR range.
              Fiberglass. There are also paints that absorb IR.
              1. +6
                10 December 2023 14: 29
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                networks with shielding in the IR range.
                Fiberglass. There are also paints that absorb IR.

                Exactly.
                I like the way you think. good
            3. +6
              10 December 2023 14: 36
              Maskseti is the last century.
              why suddenly?! The masknet over the positions does not heat up from the body. this is not a body cape that “works” for a couple of minutes
              1. +2
                10 December 2023 21: 30
                The network is too leaky. Therefore, infrared radiation easily passes through.
                1. 0
                  10 December 2023 22: 39
                  malyvalv
                  (Valery)
                  The network is too leaky. Therefore, infrared radiation easily passes through.

                  passes, but you have to fly much closer, spend much more time on detection - and then it’s not far from being shot down
          2. +2
            10 December 2023 15: 57
            I think there is still a metal mesh there. The journalist did not say everything about the protective properties. More than one disguise...
      2. +7
        10 December 2023 14: 14
        It does not interfere. Then they’ll put a net on top, why not. request
      3. +9
        10 December 2023 14: 19
        It’s not simpler, the guys on the front line know better than you lying on the couch. The main thing is the result.
        1. +3
          10 December 2023 15: 22
          Exactly ! Armchair strategists always know everything better than those on the LBS. Fountains of wisdom are gushing out...
      4. +3
        10 December 2023 14: 39
        Why bother adding nets from the beds?
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      6. +6
        10 December 2023 15: 46
        "...will not save you from a direct hit..."
        It depends on what kind of drone and what kind of overlap.
        Various “little things” can really help.
        In general, despite the progress in military affairs, many old things do not age at all. wink So, shelters, bunkers, cracks, etc., are more than relevant in the mother-damp Earth, roll-ups from logs, camouflage of networks with smoke, TAI-57 telephones with a field cable and many more “legends of deep antiquity.”
        And it is right. If the lessons of history, including military history, were not forgotten, less blood would be shed on the battlefield, and the effectiveness of combat operations would be better.
      7. +2
        10 December 2023 19: 23
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        Isn’t the mask mesh simpler?

        It's easier if it exists. I saw such strays in pictures in old textbooks on engineering training. Nothing new.
    2. +4
      10 December 2023 14: 02
      It would be interesting to know more about the design itself. Although, the camouflage net is also protection.
      1. +1
        10 December 2023 16: 57
        I think it’s better to use colored or matte polycarbonate in winter.
    3. +13
      10 December 2023 14: 07
      As someone who works on FPV, I’ll say that it will complicate things a lot. good

      Well done!)
      1. +5
        10 December 2023 15: 30
        And most importantly, they work systematically.

        Yes, somewhere along the line we lost to the Ukrainians. For the same drones, FPV, etc.
        But then we catch up and overtake. We need FPV, which means a factory and thousands of batches right away. Geranium turned out to be needed - also a plant for 50000 per year, modifications, replacement of engines, navigation, expansion of the range of ammunition...

        Now it’s the same story with defense. We are rebuilding, building up, pushing with numbers.

        This consistency is our trump card and bid for victory. Ukraine does not have such an opportunity - the country is being shot right through by missiles, plus the material base and scientific schools are completely destroyed, there are an order of magnitude less resources.
        1. +5
          10 December 2023 16: 10
          Quote from: parabyd
          This consistency is our trump card and bid for victory. Ukraine does not have such an opportunity

          I would gladly agree with you if it were not for the systematic and uninterrupted (unfortunately so far) assistance of the collective West to the outskirts.
          1. +12
            10 December 2023 16: 23
            So this is how long their logistics arm is. While they receive proposals from the front, while the generals make a decision, while they joke around at home, they won’t find it, while they beg from the West, while the Western generals make a decision, while they search at home, while they resolve the issue with the “Orbans,” until they bring it from overseas ....
            In short, by that time the Russian private infantry Vanya should already be smoking a Belomorina on Bankovaya, according to all military laws.
          2. +3
            10 December 2023 19: 22
            They supply, but do not adapt in any way. For example, we have already modernized the dynamic protection of tanks and BMP-3, modified the visors, and installed individual electronic warfare. There are probably a thousand more design improvements that only specialists understand. And all new technology already comes with these improvements. She is already part of the system.

            At that time, 100 BTR-60s were transferred to Ukraine. They finished transferring Abrams, Challengers and Leopards 2A4, 2A6, but they are transferring Leopard 1... It's just a bunch of weapons not connected together.

            And so it is in everything. Ours are improving their weapons and military equipment, the Ukrainians are fighting with what was made for past wars.

            This makes its contribution, let’s hope that a qualitative leap in the results of these quantitative changes is just around the corner. Although, of course, it won’t be easy even in this situation.
    4. +5
      10 December 2023 14: 08
      Any sticks stuck in a picket fence along the trench are already protection against FPV
    5. -3
      10 December 2023 14: 08
      Maybe hang (in the sense of raising into the air) earth-colored balloons over the trenches to make them less noticeable? Every
      30 centimeters around the ball lol
      1. +1
        10 December 2023 14: 21
        Quote: Thrifty
        Maybe hang (in the sense of raising into the air) earth-colored balloons over the trenches to make them less noticeable? Every
        30 centimeters around the ball lol

        You can't get enough balls, and their benefits are questionable.
        Perhaps horizontal drilling is needed to build trenches.
        1. +5
          10 December 2023 14: 25
          The bearded man - this “defense” unmasks our positions and is a good target for artillery. Antidrones are needed en masse; the enemy can only be defeated with the same weapons as his.
          1. +4
            10 December 2023 14: 34
            Quote: Thrifty
            The bearded man - this “defense” unmasks our positions and is a good target for artillery. Antidrones are needed en masse; the enemy can only be defeated with the same weapons as his.

            Totally agree with you.
            Worked on drone issues in 2014. Could not find an investor. I couldn't afford the money myself. But from the technical side, the theme was worked out well: a dozen different types of Drones, including airships, gyroplanes, ornicopters, insectocopters, drone fighters, etc. Our military-industrial complex has not even come close to my ideas ten years ago. fool
            1. -6
              10 December 2023 14: 48
              Where is our military-industrial complex that created hypersonic weapons and unmanned mode on the Su-57 compared to your “ideas” laughing
              1. -4
                10 December 2023 15: 27
                You read the VO layers of geniuses, strategists, advisers for all occasions.... To paraphrase slightly: “the circle of these smart guys is wide. They are terribly far from reality.”
                1. +7
                  10 December 2023 15: 47
                  Quote from: ALCA056000
                  You read the VO layers of geniuses, strategists, advisers for all occasions.... To paraphrase slightly: “the circle of these smart guys is wide. They are terribly far from reality.”

                  I don’t know what your nickname on the site means (my last name is Borodachev).
                  Has it ever occurred to you that many commentators on this site have real shoulder straps with big stars?
                  I take VO commentators very seriously. There are a lot of very smart military people here. good
                  1. -3
                    10 December 2023 18: 31
                    That's what I'm talking about - just lay your mind down....
                  2. 0
                    10 December 2023 18: 40
                    So what about the propulsion for the orniopter? Or did you ask for investment, but they didn’t give it to you? So they switched to gyroplanes, and again they didn’t give it? There was no answer.
            2. -3
              10 December 2023 14: 54
              a dozen different types of Drones, including airships, gyroplanes, ornicopters, insectocopters, drone fighters, etc.
              So, have you already developed a flapping flight system (this is about ornicopters)? What kind of propulsion do your insectocopters have? Do they also have wings? What does a gyroplane have to do with it anyway? And the airship - “don’t sew the sleeve to anything.” It is not surprising that nothing could be done at all with such a variety of types.
            3. +2
              10 December 2023 15: 13
              Bearded man, we desperately need a light drone, a kind of flying grenade for the front line, truly massive and very cheap.
            4. +2
              10 December 2023 15: 47
              Quote: Bearded
              from the technical side, the topic was worked out well: a dozen different types of Drones, including airships, gyroplanes, ornicopters, insectocopters, fighter drones

              Well, yes...judging by the long list of names of such “ornicopters and insectocopters” you have been working on for a long time and carefully! laughing
      2. +2
        10 December 2023 16: 02
        Azrostats with nets stopped bombers, which means drones can do it too! wink
        1. -2
          10 December 2023 16: 38
          I'm scared by your "i" with the sign "b", in the place where there should be "s"....
          Who do you work for or is it clearer to you - Who do you work for?
          1. +2
            10 December 2023 22: 15
            scares me
            As far as I know, he is Bulgarian and the letter “s” is in short supply there.
          2. 0
            11 December 2023 12: 49
            What kind of paranoia! Read your words, not the letters. And there my position will be clear.
            1. +1
              11 December 2023 20: 12
              Sorry, here on Lake Baikal they are blowing up tunnels, we have to be vigilant. hi
    6. +2
      10 December 2023 14: 32
      Quote: Thrifty
      The bearded man - this “defense” unmasks our positions and is a good target for artillery. Antidrones are needed en masse; the enemy can only be defeated with the same weapons as his.


      The word “Antidrons” is highlighted in blue and used in memes laughing
      lol lol lol lol lol lol lol laughing laughing laughing
      1. +3
        10 December 2023 14: 51
        What’s wrong with the idea of ​​creating a drone that is supposed to “shoot down its own kind”?
        1. -1
          10 December 2023 15: 25
          “What’s bad about the idea” is that it’s just an idea. And our guys need a remedy now. The idea is, of course, a good thing, but you can’t fight much with it alone.
          1. +1
            10 December 2023 16: 40
            Quote: Ivan F
            “What’s bad about the idea” is that it’s just an idea. And our guys need a remedy now. The idea is certainly a good thing, but you can’t fight much with it alone

            An idea is an idea, but it would be nice to have Penenza and... only (as Father Makhno used to say)! A lot of “volunteer” industries have already appeared in our country, but this production is very limited for various reasons! The most important of them are two: 1. inertia (or even stupidity) of government structures (including the Ministry of Defense...); 2.lack (lack) of funding! Collect money...give it to the right people and it will be like in "12 chairs"! (Money in the morning, chairs in the evening!) I had to see copters “molded” from “sticks”; that is, from plywood! How much will these cost? And you can do a lot of these quickly! Give only money and remove obstacles when ordering materials! It is possible to establish the production of very simplified drones, the task of which will only be to counter enemy strike drones near their positions! No need for GPS or secure radio channels! The simplest inertials taken from children's toys... and a wire guidance line! I don't even dream about fiber optic communication lines; but a 3-core microcable, 3200 meters long, is the same as on the Malyutka ptur, with the transmission of commands and electrical signals via this cable .food... ! Is it worth “trumping” the words that it takes time, but “protection” is needed now? It became known “yesterday” that “protection” is needed! What excuses can there be? If you think like this, then there will be no “protection” even “tomorrow”!
            1. +3
              10 December 2023 21: 33
              “Just give me money” - they gave money for many years. And where are the results? Where is 70% of the high-tech, unparalleled?
              “And you can make a lot of these quickly” - have you already made a lot of them and are fighting with them? Or is this just an idea for you too?
              “If you think like this, then there will be no “protection” even “tomorrow”!” - that’s why it’s not a matter of ideas - there are plenty of them, the point is that “many” people don’t need these ideas. We heard the latest news - an order to seize “non-registered” vehicles from the front end. They are going to take away people’s volunteer cars, and here you are bursting with “ideas.” Take off your rose-colored glasses, otherwise you have a strange view of what is happening.

              “Is it worth “trumping” the words that it takes time, but “protection” is needed now? “- it’s worth it. It’s also worth asking many people where the “protection” is and where the money allocated for it is. When you answer this question and solve it, then everything will appear immediately. And before that, any of your “ideas” disappear into a black hole, along with the money allocated for them.. But you apparently don’t understand this.
              1. +1
                10 December 2023 21: 52
                Quote: Ivan F
                “Just give me money” - they gave money for many years. And where are the results?

                Lord! Have you heard the “aphorism”: “It’s not the size that matters, but the ability to use it!” ...? And you need to know how to use money! And you need to be able to give them...to whomever you can! And not “foolishly” or for “kickbacks”! And a number of “volunteer drone manufacturers” are ready to significantly and quickly increase production ... and develop new designs (!); but they often lack funds, and bureaucratic obstacles are not uncommon even now! So your “criticism” is not convincing!
                1. 0
                  11 December 2023 20: 34
                  “You have to know how to use money! And you have to know how to give it” - and they know how to give it to whoever they need. And on all others, well, somehow to the side. Others won't get it. So what are you going to do?

                  “And a number of “volunteer drone manufacturers” are ready significantly and quickly” - why give it to them when you can do it yourself!!! take this money and “earn” it?

                  "And also bureaucratic obstacles are not uncommon nowadays!" - Dear, bureaucratic obstacles in the present time are not even evil, but just a slight inconvenience. Look at the relevant TGs at the cases that are now going on all over the country - your hair stands on end there because of what is going on. Billions are being “implemented” on an industrial scale, and here you are with your childish, naive ideas. I repeat once again, you live in your naive little world, not seeing reality. Therefore, this very reality is not convincing for you. The less you know, the better you sleep - apparently this is your motto.
                2. +1
                  11 December 2023 20: 38
                  “It’s not the size that’s important, but the ability to use it!” - but the ladies don’t agree with you. Size decides, but then, yes, it depends on you. That’s why “big” manufacturers will get the money, not “volunteer kids” . laughing
    7. 0
      10 December 2023 16: 34
      Can't you stretch the fabric over the frame?
    8. +2
      10 December 2023 16: 45
      The Russian military has come up with protection against drones by installing frames and ceilings over trenches.
      This was invented by the "Martians" millions of years ago... lol
      what happened to Mars is a real tragedy, and the history of the Red Planet is very important to us, What if the same thing happens to the Earth? Therefore, scientists are actively studying our neighbor, and Mars constantly presents us with various surprises and puzzles. One of them is mysterious tunnels that look like pipes.

      This is of course a joke. But in every joke there is only a part of the joke... Let's fly, study, tell. What if these “glass” tunnels served the inhabitants of Mars as protection (not from drones, of course) from meteor showers or hurricane winds... Who knows?
    9. +1
      10 December 2023 17: 52
      What about walking outside the trenches with an umbrella?
    10. +1
      10 December 2023 18: 33
      But just put a knurling plate over the trench and fill it with earth - it’s called a blocked gap, it’s been known since the First World War, isn’t it fate? or have we run out of round timber in Russia?
    11. +2
      10 December 2023 19: 21
      Russian military came up with protection

      They didn't come up with anything. Such oddities are described in old textbooks on engineering training. Mats or screens woven from scrap materials to make visual observation difficult. Everything new is well forgotten old.
      1. 0
        10 December 2023 20: 28
        If the camouflage mesh is made with heating, then of course the mesh itself will be clearly visible in a thermal imager, but this will not help to see what is behind it, and it is not necessary to heat the mesh too much, enough to 40 * C
        1. +2
          10 December 2023 21: 20
          Quote: agond
          If the camouflage net is made with heating

          Who will pay for electricity? Pushkin? And where can you get it if you don’t have enough “trench candles”...and this happens!?
      2. 0
        10 December 2023 20: 29
        If the camouflage net is made with heating, then of course the net itself will be clearly visible in a thermal imager, but this will not help in any way to see what is behind it, and it is not necessary to heat the net too much, enough to 40*C. although the hot barrel of the machine gun will be noticeable, this means that thermal decoys are a plus
    12. 0
      10 December 2023 22: 54
      But this should have been done a long time ago; it is urgent to establish industrial production of such shelters in order to protect the trenches from observation for attack by drones and so that the mines dropped from the quadrics roll away from the trenches.
    13. 0
      11 December 2023 00: 07
      Well, that’s right, the trenches need to be covered with nets, but how can you then see what’s flying at you if there are visual controls.
    14. 0
      11 December 2023 00: 28
      The next stage of protection is to sprinkle the awnings and frames with earth. Everything is like in the First World War.
    15. 0
      11 December 2023 02: 58
      Wow, our army is changing before our eyes, it would be faster if it was en masse - they used it, put it on stream. In addition, it is probably possible to transfer these structures (after capturing new positions - from the rear at a great distance), and even produce these structures folding.
    16. +1
      11 December 2023 17: 42
      These photos were taken by the 501st Airborne Corps of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Therefore, Ukrainian TG channels posted them with the caption that it was the Ukrainian Armed Forces that began to use such protection of trenches from FPV drones.

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