USA and Japan: War against China in 2013

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More and more people in the world are talking about war. About the US and China War. War is not a simple - nuclear war. The island conflict between the PRC and Japan will probably serve as a trigger for the start of the aggressive genie of the Pentagon. Because of the latter, Tokyo, an ally of Washington, intends to increase the presence of air forces in the area of ​​the Senkaku Islands.

Browser Robert Johnson from Business Insider считаетthat China and Japan are one step closer to war. In response to the deployment of Chinese fighters, Japan is considering allowing F-15 pilots to fire tracer bullets, thus warning Chinese pilots. What is this if not a step to war?

At the air base "Shuimen" in Fujian province, which, according to experts, was completed at the end of last year, are combat aircraft J-10, Su-30 fighters and various UAVs, one after the other arriving at the base.

In addition to the aircraft, experts believe, there are also Russian C-300 complexes on the base, which provide almost the best defense against missiles in the world. C-300 are comparable, the author writes, with the American-made Patriot air defense system, those that were recently sent to Turkey to the “first line of the Syrian defense.”

Shuimen Air Base supports China’s Eastern Fleet, equipped with 35 ships in the region, including the newest 054, seven submarines, and eight additional landing ships. Among the submarines are four Russian-made underwater diesel-electric boats of the Kilo class, capable of waging the most modern submarine warfare.

And all this is just 236 km from the disputed Senkaku Islands.

Although the United States does not support the official position of the Japanese on who owns the islands, one would expect military support from them under the US-Japan security treaty signed in 1960.

Meanwhile, Johnson believes, few people believe that the US will risk unleashing a full-scale war with China because of several uninhabited islands, even regardless of how much oil and gas there are between these islands. Moreover, China has enormous strength near the region and today it looks very well equipped to conduct a real battle.

Reuters writes that last week the United States and Japan began reviewing defense cooperation guidelines for the first time in 15 years. The argument for this was the statements of the Prime Minister of the “hawk” Shinzo Abe about the territorial dispute with nuclear China and nuclear North Korea.

Officially, journalists only learned from the Japanese Defense Ministry that the Tokyo military wanted to discuss the role of the Japanese Self-Defense Forces and the American military forces in the future for the next 5, 10, 15 years and regional security in the indicated periods. There are no details in the press. True, it is clear that the revision of the defense doctrine and the definition of short, medium and long-term "prospects" is due to the dramatic change in the security situation over the past 15 years, including China’s sea expansion and the development of missiles by North Korea. This is not hidden in the Japanese government.

A working meeting was held in Tokyo between US and Japanese officials. Experts suggest that developing a joint strategy will take a year or more. As a result, Japan’s defense policy should coincide with the American diplomatic focus now aimed at Asia.

Today, Japan has what is known as the “right to collective self-defense,” that is, the right to defense with the support of allies, who can take action even when Japan itself is not attacked. Nevertheless, the Japanese authorities traditionally interpret the pacifist constitution as a ban on the actual exercise of the claimed right, revealing a weak link in the field of security and military ties between Tokyo and Washington. Now “hawk” Abe wants to change this interpretation. Such a change in policy will allow Japan to exercise the claimed right in full force.

However, the Ministry of Defense doesn’t say anything about whether the question of the right of collective self-defense was discussed in Tokyo.

Much further in the issue of war between the United States, Japan and China, went to the professor at the Australian National University, Hugh White, a well-known expert in international relations. Adam Westlake ("The Japan Daily Press"), referring to the Sydney Morning Herald, said that the Australian professor predicted the Sino-Japanese war already in 2013, and with the participation of the United States.

He believes that the recent violations of Japanese airspace by Chinese aircraft and the victory of the nationalist prime minister’s election in Japan create all the prerequisites for the two Asian superpowers to make war this year. White argues that the tension between the two countries today is one of the conditions that led to war many times stories, even if the conflict was not in the interest of either one or the other country.

No doubt, the professor continues, the United States will be drawn into the conflict on the side of Japan. There is no guarantee that the coming war will be short and easy. The fronts will create the three richest countries in the world, and two of them have nuclear weapon.

In addition, the professor believes that China is trying to challenge the United States, and President Barack Obama "turned to Asia," which in itself represents a strategic response to China’s growing power and territorial claims in the region. White believes that the dispute over the islands in East China will inevitably lead to the fact that someone will start shooting.

As for the author of the article, Adam Westlake, he finds the economic war more likely. Such a war, fraught with financial losses and threats to the economy, would be a more likely outcome, the journalist believes. We already have examples, the analyst writes, of violent September protests in China. Sales in the Middle Kingdom of Japanese cars fell by half. Quite a few Japanese companies and property are located in China: as part of the blockade, all this can be destroyed. The general damage to imports and exports, if, along with popular discontent, suggests possible official bans, will be more than enough to destroy the permanent trade relations between the two countries.

Robert Rodvik (Canadian resource Voltairenet.org) recalls that America has been at war with China for decades.

After decades of covert actions aimed at overthrowing the Chinese communist government, in 1989, the CIA initiated the first of its so-called “color” revolutions, which the Americans tried to put into practice in Eastern Europe and Georgia. In 1989, a well-known protest rally was held in Beijing, before which the CIA agents diligently trained a circle of "students" in a thesis on the democratic overthrow of the communist government.

The events on Tiananmen Square (three years later) risked an unbiased opinion to cover only the Canadian newspaper “The Vancouver Sun” in the issue of September 17 of the year 1992. The newspaper referred to the Associated Press. Alas, the publication was placed on the 20 page. The article traced the connection of events on Tiananmen Square with the anti-Chinese activities of the CIA. The article had a trifling title, but Robert Rodvik advises readers to “forget about the name”, since all the names in the press are created by someone else, not the author. And often they have little in common with the content of the material. As for the text, the story of the Associated Press was a real revelation. The article began with:

"The head of the CIA in China left the country two days before Chinese troops attacked demonstrators in the capital Beijing in 1989 ... The Central Intelligence Agency was not only a source of protests, but also cooperated with the Chinese secret services, with whom Washington maintains close relations with 1970 of the year…"


The article further states:

"A few months before the attack on the demonstrators on June 3, the CIA helped activist students form the anti-government movement, providing them with typewriters, fax machines and other equipment to help them spread their messages ... the CIA declined to comment."


Truth-lovers from Vancouver Sun did not stop there. Another article, dated 31 May 1999, citing the Washington Post, dealt with the US bombing of the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade.

In fact, the bombing was the "official" response to constant Chinese commentary against US policy. In 1999, China accused the United States of instigating mass protests on Tiananmen Square, which shook Beijing ten years ago, says the San article. The bloody drama on the square was shown as part of a strategy for the political chaos in China.

As for the Washington Post, this newspaper pointed out how its editors interpreted a Chinese statement. Readers were told that the Chinese “controlled parliament” gave such comments.

Naturally, comrade Rodvik notes, we accept everything printed in China as unconditional nonsense, but at the same time nothing that happens in Washington should be subject to our doubts.

As the Chinese parliamentarians said, the United States played an inglorious role in 1989, creating protest workshops, developing their schemes and providing money and goods to support those who break the law ... Not only that, America also spread horrific rumors using its media the purpose of cheating the international community. In The Washington Post, Rodvik writes, every bit of information coming from China was condemned.

During the 7 embassy bombing in Belgrade in May, the Chinese government has subjected the United States to ruthless criticism. The purpose of the strikes, said in Beijing, is to destabilize China.

Imagine, comrade Rodvik writes, that the Chinese really are protesting only because the United States bombed the embassy and killed several of its employees. Imagine the opposite situation: China is bombing the US embassy anywhere in the world. What do you think will happen? .. Bombers will be launched into the sky right up to B2.

The author is struck by the CIA's cynicism. In July 1989, photographs appeared depicting the violent actions taken by "peaceful" protesters: in the pictures we see Tanks, armored personnel carriers and army trucks. "Students" are armed with machine guns. Apparently, the analyst notes, the CIA gave them something more than fax machines ...

Returning to Yugoslavia 1999, the author recalls that on the night of 7 in May, three NATO missiles struck the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade. The Americans immediately explained this atrocity with an “incorrect”, outdated map, on which the embassy was not marked in the appropriate place. This pitiful explanation did not convince a single person, and least of all the Chinese who were furious. 26 injured and three dead! China accused the United States of deliberately attacking.

It later emerged that the CIA specifically chose a target that allegedly turned out to be a purely random target - due to outdated maps. Defense Secretary William Cohen and CIA Director George Tenet made a joint statement that, according to NATO, the building housed a Yugoslav military facility, not the Chinese Embassy.

If, however, the author writes with anger, the “NATO gang” really doesn’t have “untargeted” lists of objects, as local people say, then why has this organization bombed so many hospitals, rest homes, churches, schools and other civilian buildings? On the same day that the Chinese embassy was bombed, NATO bombers hit cluster bombs on the Yugoslav Nish Hospital and an open market full of civilians, killing an 15 man and injuring 70.

The Chinese, says Rodvik, were humiliated. After all, they were not able to respond to the aggressor. The USA and partners of this satrap have made a physical statement about the fact that, say, China is a paper tiger.

Here, the analyst says, and that moment came when the government of the Celestial Empire understood: it was time to seriously develop our armed forces, giving this matter a considerable part of the budget. Chinese analysts at the time said that without a more effective military doctrine, the economy and sovereignty of the country could suffer from imperialist attacks, the initiators of which could use nuclear weapons.

According to Rodvik, with Obama’s strategic "shift", that is, reorientation towards the APR, it is only a matter of time ...

Independent journalist James Corbett, who recently announced from Japan, does not fully agree with Rodvik "RT"that the US legitimized the possibility of a nuclear strike on China, introducing the relevant provision in the Law on National Defense, which Barack Obama has already signed. However, America is not planning a nuclear attack on China, but is seeking to justify its nuclear arsenal, the journalist said. He proposes to study the problem "in a broader context." For several decades, the United States has been trying to find an excuse for their huge arsenal of nuclear weapons and a pretext for creating new types of weapons. The US military has another goal: to “hack” the START-3 treaty. Congress opposes any cuts proposed by Obama, trying to abolish them "before they begin."

Analyst Dmitry Melnikov ("Century") writes that the Americans have already formed separate elements of the "ring of anaconda" around China. The most reliable “ring” segments: Japan and South Korea. These countries successfully fit into the US interests protection system. JI troops are stationed in their territories, and these states are involved in the implementation of the missile defense system dangerous for China. Japanese Ajis and CM-3 anti-missiles are manufactured at Japanese enterprises.

Chinese comrade Hu Yumin ("China Daily") Recallsthat, due to the “financial cliff,” the United States may cut defense spending, but it is wrong to assume that the reduction will weaken the United States militarily.

In fact, the author writes, Washington has allocated more funds for the development of the “Fast Global Strike” - a system that allows precise strikes with non-nuclear weapons anywhere in the world within an hour. According to estimates by the Russian Ministry of Defense, by the 2015, the Pentagon has at its disposal from 1500 to 1800 naval and air-based cruise missiles intended for delivering a first strike, and by the 2020 year, this number will increase to 2500-3000 units. And the US is trying to combine BSU with space and anti-missile technologies. The goal is to form an integrated defense system that can make other countries' strategic weapons, including nuclear ones, almost useless. The United States is going to destroy the global and regional strategic balance and minimize the ability of other countries to launch strategic counter-attacks. That is, we note, America has by no means parted with the desire to preserve its “hegemony” on the planet.

Thus, continuing to look for ways and reasons for building up a “defense” arsenal, including nuclear, the United States, as in the Cold War years, is provoking the world to respond. In conditions when the “hawks” from Congress openly oppose Obama, the Pentagon is afraid of shrinking the military budget, and Tokyo complains to Washington about the oppression of the Chinese, any incident may turn out to be a match in the powder cellar.

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
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    1. +21
      21 January 2013 10: 01
      China's intentions seem quite serious and clearly go against the interests of the United States ...
      Let's see (preferably from the outside) how this will end.
      1. +28
        21 January 2013 10: 11
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        China's intentions seem quite serious
        China wanted to spit on the interests of the United States ... in this region ... China is clearly pursuing its policy of strengthening its role in Asia ... Japan will not understand in any way that its unsinkability is currently a fiction ..
        Once we also told a joke about the Chinese army .. When we advance in small groups of 5 millions, but there will be no aviation, the pilot fell ill ... But today only an idiot can laugh at the power of China ...
        1. +11
          21 January 2013 11: 00
          Quote: older
          But today only an idiot can laugh at the power of China ...

          The main thing is to be able to direct this power in the right direction while the Chinese comrades are moving in the right direction.
          1. -9
            21 January 2013 17: 13
            to mine the border ... with China, Mongolia and Kazakhstan, preferably with nuclear mines
            1. mda
              mda
              0
              21 January 2013 19: 11
              Quote: Civil
              Mongolia

              And what about Mongolia? She kind of wanted to connect with Russia
              1. +5
                21 January 2013 19: 48
                Well, because the PRC army can move through Mongolia. they are unlikely to go around it).
                and at the expense of reunion - this is all nonsense. we have few Tajiks and Dag with Uzbeks, so let's take the Mongols too.
            2. +5
              22 January 2013 00: 28
              Mining with high-explosive bombs is not very effective and the enemy can sniff out about them and minimize their actions, but tactical nuclear weapons can cope with the task of burning enemy columns and the nearest rear.
        2. urchik
          +5
          21 January 2013 11: 37
          And we will watch the Chinese dragon gladly devour the American coyote!
          1. Neringa285
            +20
            21 January 2013 12: 28
            In Chinese culture, there is no such thing as "Friend of the Celestial Empire." There are two others - "The Enemy of the Celestial Empire" and "The Slave of the Celestial Empire" ... God forbid to have such an enemy and become a slave .. Let it devour a coyote, the main thing is that he does not want the bear cubs. .... Everything that concerns the so-called American "anaconda rings", the mentality of Asians is so unpredictable that any long-term or even short-term predictions do not play here. China will lightning fast, given the size of the population, which will all turn into an army, will seize all more or less suitable bridgeheads, and for little things like Korea, it will just roll like a roller. I do not think the scenario of a war between the United States and China is plausible ... to set China against Russia - yes .. this is the task number of times for the State Department, then almost all the economic problems of the United States will be solved for a long time. All these Arab springs did not give the desired effect and the "Titanic" of the American economy is still sinking .. a big war is needed, but without the participation of the main one " sick "...
            1. yak69
              +9
              21 January 2013 14: 32
              One American agent of the CIA, two American military base, three American Congress.
              One Jewish teacher of the Russian language, two Jewish ateliers, three Jews, a Russian symphony orchestra.
              One Russian proletarian, two Russian-Marxist circles, three Russian-world revolution.
              laughing

              Long live friendship between nations! Down with the arsonists!
              drinks
              1. korm-yurii
                +7
                21 January 2013 18: 47
                I would like to add, but no offense to the eastern Ukrainians. One crest-owner, two a-partisan detachment, three a-partisan detachment with a traitor.
                1. Elijah
                  +2
                  22 January 2013 21: 04
                  Well, yes, in eastern Ukraine, most Russians. Well, at least in Ukrainian, like nobody talks there)
            2. +1
              21 January 2013 15: 23
              Let the Dragon choke on Coyote. And we will be likened, according to Chinese legend, to the wise Monkey King, who was observing from the side a fight between two tigers. Something like this..
              1. 0
                22 January 2013 15: 51
                If it starts, everyone will get it. Life on Earth will become impossible.
          2. vyatom
            +2
            21 January 2013 13: 12
            Quote: urchik
            And we will watch the Chinese dragon gladly devour the American coyote!


            Rather, an American skunk.
            1. +3
              21 January 2013 13: 37
              lol what? Do you believe in science fiction? I don’t.
          3. +2
            21 January 2013 13: 19
            Quote: urchik
            And we will watch the Chinese dragon gladly devour the American coyote

            No, we will watch how they break each other's ridges! For the Russian Federation it will be an ideal option!
            1. +3
              21 January 2013 13: 37
              And in the process, China is selling weapons.
              1. Elijah
                0
                22 January 2013 21: 37
                the weaker side, so that they exhaust each other more seriously. well, or both)
                1. Hunghuz
                  0
                  27 January 2013 04: 33
                  laughing Shtob sell weapons to both nada to be a Jew or Svidomo .....)))
            2. Elijah
              0
              22 January 2013 21: 36
              Coyotes did exactly the same during WWII. That in the first world was the same joke. By the way, before the first world coyotes, after all, they had a lot of debts, but they didn’t earn anything like that on arms sales, then they also handed out loans)) The earth is round =)
          4. Quiet
            0
            26 January 2013 17: 36
            Maybe we will send our gorynych to help ?? wassat
          5. 0
            27 January 2013 00: 16
            Here you need to look very carefully. If the war quickly ends with the victory of one of the parties, then we will have ONE real superpower, and who it will be China or the United States in theory is not important. And if the war drags on and an intensive exchange of vigorous bombs begins, then we will not be hooked, as well as everyone else ....
      2. +4
        21 January 2013 10: 11
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        (preferably from the side)

        But this does not work out! We are between them and our participation, our position will have a primary influence on the events. The main thing for us is to competently maneuver, extracting the corresponding benefit for ourselves!
        1. Neringa285
          +5
          21 January 2013 12: 39
          Our position will not matter at all, since even indirect participation will allow us to be drawn into the war, which is what the United States is seeking, but for us it is like death.
          1. -1
            21 January 2013 22: 00
            Quote: Neringa285
            but for us it is like death.

            I agree! Now we are not capable of anything .....
      3. vladsolo56
        +11
        21 January 2013 10: 19
        From the side it will not work. Russia has a contract with China, and then if America overwhelms China, the next one will be Russia without a doubt.
        1. +4
          21 January 2013 10: 34
          Exactly. Russia is more likely to overwhelm the United States personally for such conversations than to allow its main market to collapse.
        2. urchik
          +7
          21 January 2013 11: 39
          No after Pindo after China ... this will already be like Honduras
          1. Neringa285
            +4
            21 January 2013 13: 30
            Churchill said .. (I am not quoting exactly): "Wake me up only when the boot of a German soldier steps onto English soil ..." ... Only when the boot of a Chinese soldier steps into the United States, I will believe in your words.) ))))
        3. +8
          21 January 2013 11: 49
          I agree. India has not yet (I emphasize "so far") has yet reached the status of a world power, but I think it will happen soon. That is why the United States is nervous. Before there was the USSR, and now China, Russia, and then India. "Hegemony" is coming to an end ... ...
          1. Neringa285
            +2
            21 January 2013 13: 26
            The population of India is the same problem as the population of China. India is primarily concerned with territorial problems .. and if the Chinese, mentally, can live in the rice growth zone, that is, up to Spain, but past our north, then Indians need warmth ... they die out without warmth ... therefore, all of India’s policies will be oriented towards the rebellious states and Ceylon, an unsinkable aircraft carrier and bridgehead for aggression to the south, towards a sparsely populated continent ... and all this only when India reaches status of world power ...
        4. Neringa285
          +3
          21 January 2013 12: 32
          America will not overwhelm China ...))))) China holds the US financial system so tightly by the throat that Americans will stop thinking a hundred times before engaging in such a thing.
          1. +3
            21 January 2013 15: 59
            Well, the US also holds China tightly. Look at least let's start holding on to China's economy. The main partner is the United States.
            1. Neringa285
              0
              21 January 2013 16: 04
              Ahahaha..but it is, but China is not an importer, but an exporter ... and this, you see, is a significant difference ...)))) But China imports mainly mainly dollars ... colored paper ....
              1. +1
                22 January 2013 08: 16
                China imports large quantities of resources, metals, oil, gas, etc. and gives back the colored paper for it.
            2. mda
              mda
              +2
              21 January 2013 19: 15
              Quote: Atrix
              Look at least let's start holding on to China's economy. The main partner is the United States.

              That's it. There will be no USA, it will be necessary to decide where to export your trash
              1. 0
                22 January 2013 15: 19
                Quote: mda-a
                That's it. There will be no USA, it will be necessary to decide where to export your trash

                It was printed on the computer "Made in China".
                As for the trash, you got excited.
                1. Elijah
                  0
                  22 January 2013 21: 41
                  I agree, the Chinese have already bought a bunch of American enterprises. well, and not only them ...
          2. SASCHAmIXEEW
            0
            26 January 2013 13: 13
            Amers have a printing press! And they will print wrappers for themselves and the world as much as they want!
        5. +2
          21 January 2013 15: 25
          We do not have an agreement of this type with China
      4. Cartoon
        +33
        21 January 2013 11: 48
        Our stupid generation. Few know what war really is. Ask the old people, they will tell you "If only there was no war." And we are betting here. Do you even understand that these are bets on people's lives? Real, living people. Most of them think about how to make money, feed their families, how to raise children. They are just like us. Put yourself in their shoes. Would you like to be valued for betting on who will kill whom first? And with Syria, people (at least on this site) behave like demons. Also soldiers, our guys are called there to send. They are not gladiators! Will you stand on a par with these guys? Now they will begin to stigmatize me as a naive pacifist, but I urge you to change your mind! Don't call for war, be peacemakers.
        1. Neringa285
          +4
          21 January 2013 12: 33
          If you want peace, get ready for war. Old as the world and just as true.
          1. 0
            21 January 2013 13: 14
            Quote: Neringa285
            If you want peace, get ready for war. Old as the world and just as true.

            He smiled in the light of our reform! We are more than ever ready for it! wassat
            1. Neringa285
              +2
              21 January 2013 13: 41
              ))) Smile. This has not always been the case. And now this is not how you imagine. No need to listen to the white-tape hamsters screaming about the collapse of everything ... read American reviews about our rearmament ... they don’t like it, but it’s their problem.
              1. survivor
                +2
                21 January 2013 13: 45
                the more likely the state is to rise, the more likely it is to undermine it from the inside!
              2. -1
                21 January 2013 22: 04
                Quote: Neringa285
                And now this is not how you imagine.

                I just well imagine and know not by hearsay ........
                Quote: Neringa285
                No need to listen to white-tape hamsters screaming about the collapse of everything ...

                I don’t listen to anyone, I see everything with my own eyes .......
                Quote: Neringa285
                read American reviews about our rearmament ... they don’t like it, but it’s their problem.

                Napoleonic plans, God forbid they come true .....
                1. Neringa285
                  +3
                  21 January 2013 22: 12
                  I don’t know where you are observing all this, but I live in Kaliningrad, and I can say that everything is getting better in our exclusively military region and even more so.))))))))))))))))))) )
        2. Van
          +9
          21 January 2013 12: 57
          Quote: Cartoon
          Do not call for war, be peacemakers.

          This is a good statement, but only in peacetime. fellow

          But when the foot of the "enemy" steps on my ground, I personally will be ready to rip out his heart, no matter what it costs me. And then the concept, "If only there was no war," I will consider as treason. soldier
        3. vyatom
          +4
          21 January 2013 13: 15
          Quote: Cartoon
          Do not call for war, be peacemakers.

          everything is correct.
          But not we all started it. Uncle Sam doesn’t sit overseas. therefore, we want peace, but we must be prepared for war.
        4. +2
          21 January 2013 15: 17
          Quote: Cartoon
          Our stupid generation. Few know what war really is. Ask the old people, they will tell you "If only there was no war." And we are betting here. Do you even understand that these are bets on people's lives? Real, living people. Most of them think about how to make money, feed their families, how to raise children. They are just like us. Put yourself in their shoes. Would you like to be valued for betting on who will kill whom first? And with Syria, people (at least on this site) behave like demons. Also soldiers, our guys are called there to send. They are not gladiators! Will you stand on a par with these guys? Now they will begin to stigmatize me as a naive pacifist, but I urge you to change your mind! Don't call for war, be peacemakers.

          Your pathos speech is only theoretically true. West attacks we defend ourselves, in Syria, in Chechnya, in Central Asia. Those who attack should be considered - in London, Fasciston, Paris.
          1. dentitov
            +1
            22 January 2013 01: 56
            Setrac,
            West attacks we are forbrushing ourselves in Syria, in Chechnya, in Central Asia. Those who attack should be considered - in London, Fasciston, Paris.

            _____________________

            And these freaks won't stop until they destroy us.
            1. SASCHAmIXEEW
              0
              26 January 2013 13: 18
              Or are we ALL!
        5. Vladimir_61
          +1
          21 January 2013 16: 44
          Right. How easy it is to talk about what he himself did not go through. There are many options for the development of events, and which one will work? After all, this news of the confrontation of countries is not the only knot of tension on the planet. Sophisticatedly cunning misanthropes. Right! We will not collect burning coals on our heads, comforting ourselves so that our neighbors find themselves in a bloody meat grinder.
        6. -2
          21 January 2013 17: 14
          Quote: Cartoon
          Ask the old people, they will tell you "If only there was no war." And we are betting here.
          It sounds beautiful, but this is just a theory, a Western bottling technique. If life ended here on Earth, then everything would be true, but it, life, is infinite, like the Universe. You should not betray such a meaning of your own life, especially the life of the Chinese. Anyway, the end is the same, and as the poet said: "It's better than vodka and colds ..."
        7. dentitov
          +1
          22 January 2013 01: 54
          How is it different? Pacifism did not bring anyone to good. The best allies of Russia. You know who.
          War is evil. Therefore, we need to be strong so that there is no war. And do not participate in other people's mess. Enough experience of Nicholas 2.
        8. 0
          22 January 2013 22: 34
          Famous in China photo: a nurse breastfeeding an early wound. There was no water
          1. +3
            22 January 2013 23: 37
            There are Indian films, and the Chinese are the same, you can not imagine more stupid. If a woman has milk, then she has a baby, I wonder if she carries it in a bag, and if the woman herself does not drink and eat (and we have a kind of disagreement with water), where will the milk come from? This is like an expression: "Not one hungry did not crap. "
        9. Turdaun
          +1
          23 January 2013 13: 48
          Peace, although beloved by our Lord, is the main virtue only if your neighbors share your beliefs ...
        10. Hunghuz
          -1
          27 January 2013 04: 39
          soldier Pachim only Kazakhstan and Ukraine should pay the international debt to Zionism in Afghanistan and Iraq? and the rest ....... ???????
      5. 0
        21 January 2013 13: 18
        It seems that China has taken on the full program! I recall a story from the animal world when a flock of lions overwhelmed an elephant! If it’s wet, then not only the USA and Japan will oppose China, but also South Korea, Australia, Indonesia.
        God grant us all reason!
        1. Neringa285
          +1
          21 January 2013 16: 49
          Oh ... I would compare them not with lions and an elephant, but with a lion and hyenas .... An elephant and one lion can bite, but a lion ... only a pack of hyenas ... attacking from all sides .. with small bites infuriating, exhausting, and ultimately finish it off ...
      6. +3
        21 January 2013 13: 35
        Quote: Dmitriy69
        how it will end.

        The population of China will learn about the war with Japan when it starts to receive apartments in Tokyo skyscrapers. laughing
      7. Sinus cosinus
        +1
        23 January 2013 01: 21
        And it will end, it is a humanitarian catastrophe, for our country, for western Siberia. Where will billions of yellow little hungry Chinese refugees rush with empty rice bowls, and the complete disappearance of all amphibians along the way.
        1. Neringa285
          0
          23 January 2013 01: 38
          To get to Western Siberia, you need to overcome Primorye ... I think that in the worst case scenario, we will be able to close the border ... soldier
          1. Hunghuz
            -1
            27 January 2013 04: 44
            belay 20% of the population in the Far East) who should close it? migrant workers or Eugene Aphtanomy ....... ???????? Paise)))))
            1. +1
              27 January 2013 17: 53
              You don't seem to live there. You treat the people of the troll not nashensky
            2. Neringa285
              0
              27 January 2013 20: 21
              Something tells me that we’ll find someone to close ... You don’t worry so much.))))
    2. Sarus
      +21
      21 January 2013 10: 15
      China doesn’t even have to fight ...
      Just politely ask for the payment of US government bonds that they have ..
      In payment, you can take half of Japan with Clinton :)
      1. +16
        21 January 2013 10: 21
        Quote: Sarus
        Just politely ask for the payment of US government bonds that they have ..

        That's when the war will be exactly, nobody is going to give back debts
        1. vladsolo56
          +2
          21 January 2013 10: 38
          It is as if America did not intend to repay its debts to anyone, and it was not for this that it created the most powerful army in the world.
          1. +2
            21 January 2013 15: 18
            I will clarify, the strongest fleet, the army in America is not very strong.
        2. vyatom
          0
          21 January 2013 13: 18
          Quote: Vadivak
          That's when the war will be exactly, nobody is going to give back debts

          Uncle Sam will say to China: "A bolivar can't stand two." And press the red button.
        3. -1
          21 January 2013 13: 22
          Quote: Vadivak
          That's when the war will be exactly, nobody is going to give back debts

          There will be war anyway! Habitat crisis .........
        4. Neringa285
          0
          27 January 2013 20: 52
          No one will ask .. just throw them on the market at a bargain, rubbish price, but the law of the market is simple ... all players will do the same .. will begin to get rid of the illiquid ... here it’s not before the war ...)))) )))))))))))))
      2. +1
        21 January 2013 10: 39
        And the Americans will politely refuse to resolve the conflict ...
        1. +4
          21 January 2013 11: 04
          Quote: RedDragoN
          And the Americans will politely refuse to resolve the conflict ...

          No, they are VERY politely asking for more laughing
      3. Neringa285
        0
        21 January 2013 12: 34
        Absolutely correct reasoning ... China can easily bring down the US financial system.
        1. +1
          21 January 2013 16: 07
          So what will happen to this China then? USA is China's main trading partner. And the share in China's US debt is somewhere around 8%. The United States owes it to itself, the share of foreign debt is debt to other countries somewhere 24%, the rest is debts to its own citizens
          1. Neringa285
            +3
            21 January 2013 16: 13
            Everything is wrong. Approximately 70% of the US GDP is consumption. Most of it is borrowed funds. Public debt investors are foreign. The debt to the population is not included here.
        2. 0
          21 January 2013 17: 16
          Quote: Neringa285
          China can easily bring down the US financial system.

          And he will fly into the abyss, in the wake of the crisis with the United States ...
          1. Neringa285
            +1
            21 January 2013 17: 23
            In no case. stop ..China, unlike many, is quite capable of autonomous existence for many years ... Culture and religion are conducive to that ...
      4. vyatom
        0
        21 January 2013 13: 17
        Uncle Sam will say to China: "A bolivar can't stand two." And press the red button.
      5. -1
        21 January 2013 13: 22
        Quote: Sarus
        Just politely ask for the payment of US government bonds that they have ..
        In payment, you can take half of Japan with Clinton :)

        Well, yes, so they paid them! China, Russia, etc., who have these securities, can safely go to the toilet with them!
      6. Elijah
        0
        22 January 2013 21: 45
        Quote: Sarus
        Just politely ask for the payment of US government bonds that they have ..
        In payment, you can take half of Japan with Clinton :)

        In addition to this, the Americans have a lot of external debt ...
    3. +14
      21 January 2013 10: 16
      Well, a big war, and even with the use of nuclear weapons is unlikely. At least at this stage.
      Armed local conflict over the islands is yes, it is possible. Moreover, I also admit that the USA will be on the side of Japan in one form or another, but without direct military intervention.

      And China is actually not very profitable to aggravate relations with the United States.
      The "Chinese miracle" that some people like to admire so much, especially our communists, is not based at all on communist ideas. Their miracle is the deployment of a bunch of factories and factories of Western manufacturers on their land.
      But after all, as deployed, it is also possible to collapse. And the Chinese will again go to sow rice. Therefore, the Chinese need to somehow secure themselves from the winding up of production by Western business. Find some other source of big income. And if they succeed, then you can already think about a serious aggravation with the United States.
      Although, again, there is a small nuance here. The US and China can simply share the influencers. China can oust the US from the Asia-Pacific region, guaranteeing non-interference in US affairs in other regions of the world. Divide the world, so to speak .... Well, for the nearest future. And here, of course, the United States can "drain" Japan .... if they see their benefit in this.
      1. vladsolo56
        +7
        21 January 2013 10: 41
        It’s a delusion who will now allow them to curtail, all the factories in China will just become the property of China at once. And by the way, all the experts Europeans or Americans will also become the property of China. No one will release them. These are the laws of war, if any.
        1. +5
          21 January 2013 11: 10
          Quote: volkan
          But after all, as deployed, it is also possible to collapse.

          The good thing about communism is that it is possible to take and nationalize all these enterprises without further ado.
        2. +2
          21 January 2013 11: 21
          Quote: vladsolo56
          Misconception who will let them now collapse


          And who will not excuse me. I am the master I decide where my plants stand


          Quote: vladsolo56
          And by the way, all the experts Europeans or Americans will also become the property of China.


          And what will they release there? Here is the big question in the label.
          Well, they will take their plant ... let's say Chevrolet, but then they will release their buckets. And in the world, with the filing of the United States, a war for copyright and patents will start (which is currently not being conducted with respect to Chinese products) ... And the Chinese will remain in the domestic market and the whole business.

          But the most important role in this whole situation with the removal of production facilities to China will be played by the decision of the "circle of persons". Whether they merge the USA or not.
          This will depend a lot on this.
          1. 0
            21 January 2013 11: 52
            volcano
            5 + on a five-point!
          2. Neringa285
            0
            21 January 2013 13: 02
            ))))) exactly .. they won’t release anything ... but do not suffer from this CHINA .... China does not consume this product !!!! They will stamp their cans on wheels and will be quite happy with it, but the one who is used to driving a Chevrolet will suffer.)))))
          3. +3
            21 January 2013 21: 21
            [quote = volkan] And who is sorry will not allow. I am the master I decide where my plants stand [/ quote]
            The factory took this handbag by the hand and went, it didn’t work out. These are Chinese workers, this is the building - nobody will break it, this machine will not be taken out either, design bureaus and much more. The maximum manager will run away.
            [quote = volkan] And what will they release there? There is a big question in the label. Well, they will take a plant for themselves ... let's say Chevrolet, but they will release their own buckets. And in the world, with the filing of the United States, a war for copyright and patents will begin (which is currently not being conducted with respect to Chinese products) ... And the Chinese will remain in the domestic market and all business. [/ Quote]

            They will continue to produce and continue to modernize Chevrolet - engineers and design bureaus and documentation have nowhere to go. It will not be necessary to give money to the previous owners, but we, India, etc. will buy from them.
            But many American moneybags go broke because most of the capital they have in these factories.
          4. SASCHAmIXEEW
            0
            26 January 2013 13: 35
            China will work both on the domestic market and on the world’s external, it didn’t spit on the USA
        3. Neringa285
          +1
          21 January 2013 12: 58
          Even if they don’t withdraw, but just try to turn off .. they will get an adequate answer, because the amount of Chinese money invested in the economy of the West is huge !!!
          1. +1
            21 January 2013 17: 22
            Quote: Neringa285
            Even if they don’t withdraw, but just try to turn off .. they will get an adequate answer, because the amount of Chinese money invested in the economy of the West is huge !!!
            A lot of money was also invested in the economy of the Republic of Ingushetia, the red-feathers came and gave everyone a kick, whites and the Entente were defeated, so do not rush to conclusions.
            1. Neringa285
              +4
              21 January 2013 17: 28
              Why do you think so? What an absurdity ... the population of the empire was invested in the economy of the Russian Empire, there were no foreign "strategic" investors who made the weather in the economy !!! If you mean Nobel and his factories, so he was HIGHLY ALLOWED ... foreigners were not the core of the economy of the Russian Empire ... you taught history badly ...
      2. +5
        21 January 2013 10: 41
        Quote: volkan
        Their miracle is the deployment of a bunch of factories and factories of Western manufacturers on their land.
        But after all, as deployed, it is also possible to collapse. And the Chinese will again go to sow rice.

        It is unlikely that factories of Western companies have been there since the 90s. those. already enough trained specialists to ignore the west. in the West, on the contrary, there is a huge failure (even greater than ours) in the working professions, and if, for example, General Motors plants return to the United States, then who will work for them? I mean highly skilled workers - Latinos will be recruited for low-skilled jobs.
        1. Neringa285
          +3
          21 January 2013 13: 06
          And the cost of payment is much higher than in China. Namely cheap labor allows you to keep afloat all these concerns and industries. If the production (I bring as an example that is closer to me) of Louis Viton bags to take out of China, then they will cost not 250 euros, but all 750 ... question: who will buy such a bag ???? The aggravation of all social and economic problems is instant .... I’m not talking about cars and stuff, stuff, stuff ...
      3. +1
        21 January 2013 12: 37
        I think that China is another 5 years old and it will still be going to collapse the factories of Europe and America or not. Many technologies have already been obtained and are being successfully implemented everywhere, and our own developments are already appearing like mushrooms and currents are already quite high. What do they need, what do they not have? There is technology and enough for the next 5 years, trained human resources are also available, production capacities, sales markets, etc. .. well, there will be some kind of temporary decline in production and sales ... well, it will appear from such a jump for everyone and will be equal provisions. A lot of things are now tied specifically to China and most countries are no longer profitable to have a conflict with China, and not with the United States. Well, if such a decision is made, then everyone will go to VA-Bank.
      4. Neringa285
        +4
        21 January 2013 12: 52
        Delusion. Outsourcing is detrimental to both parties. If the West tries to curtail production in China, it will get a severe economic crisis, such that the Great Depression seems like a toy. All the latent problems of the West will instantly worsen. And if the Chinese go to sow rice, then the West will have to cook their Louis Vuitton bags in pots ... The interpenetration is so great and deep that it is naive to think that the West will decide on something like that. The "Chinese miracle" is NOT based on Western industries, it is based on the skillful and prudent economic policy of the PRC. Suppose that tomorrow China refuses to settle in dollars for the entire line, in a day the entire Asian market, including the Japanese, will refuse to settle in dollars ... Then the United States will have no choice but to unleash a big war, but with personal participation ... which does not at all fit with their internal policy, and it prevails over the external one ... the state of "vegetables in the beds" is not used to difficulties and hardships ... to live at someone else's expense is yes, always welcome ...
        1. 0
          21 January 2013 17: 26
          Quote: Neringa285
          The interpenetration is so great and deep that it is naive to think that the West will decide on such a thing.
          With us, penetration is also very great, however, no one talks about the impossibility of a war between Russia and China.
          1. Neringa285
            +1
            21 January 2013 17: 31
            Oh God ... if you think that I will begin to rewrite for you what I have already written hundreds of times - vain hopes. Find my posts on this topic and read ... preferably carefully.
      5. +1
        21 January 2013 17: 18
        Quote: volkan
        But after all, as deployed, it is also possible to collapse.
        I do not agree with my friends in China plant for the production of LSU. It was sold urgently to carry away the legs ...
      6. SASCHAmIXEEW
        0
        26 January 2013 13: 29
        And why did you decide that China will give up its industry, I just think it will not come to this! There are enough problems in the states themselves! And China, if she wants, will simply take over these islands, and that’s it! And there will be no war.
    4. 0
      21 January 2013 10: 21
      Quote: Sarus
      with Clinton :)

      Why do they need this old senile, who is already out of work? Unless some sort of pyrotechnic little thing to do handmade.
    5. +5
      21 January 2013 10: 36
      So I alone saw in the article a break in Russian-US disarmament treaties?

      I'll leave it here
      The Russian government gave China 1 million hectares of forest for felling. As All Russia.ru notes, the decision was made in February 2011, but the public still knows almost nothing about it.

      Reportedly, due to a shortage of wood resources, China is considering Russia as the main strategic partner. One of the regions of Siberia falls under deforestation. Meanwhile, if the Chinese side is not satisfied with this option, Rosleskhoz expressed its willingness to provide any information on timber reserves in Russia, as well as on how to develop it.

      According to the Environmental Protection Prosecutor’s Office, more than half of the state forest fund of the Amur Region fell under deforestation, which threatens the disappearance of forests. In addition, according to reports of the FSB border control in the Far Eastern Federal District, during the detention of Chinese couriers, the legs of 210 dead bears, 250 kg, were found. lips of killed moose, 2,5 thousand sable skins, etc.

      Source: http://www.rosbalt.ru/main/2013/01/20/1083582.html
      1. vladsolo56
        -1
        21 January 2013 10: 43
        And what all this needs to be believed?
        1. 0
          21 January 2013 11: 43
          The Ministry of Defense or the Environmental Attorney's Office? No, obviously shit
    6. +3
      21 January 2013 10: 43
      As always, the Anglo-Saxons will rake in the heat with the wrong hands. Taxing China
      provoke a third world war, far from its borders, in the Asia-Pacific region. The most insidious thing for us is that they can during the war between Japan and South Korea with China,
      provoke the attack of Japan on the Kuril Islands, to draw into the war and Russia.
      And then come out victorious, as after the Second World War.
      1. Neringa285
        +2
        21 January 2013 13: 15
        Very believable..very. it is precisely this development of events that we would like in the USA .... but I think that after 08.08.08. their ardor of a servant has diminished ... Let not everything went smoothly with us, but we have demonstrated our determination. For Americans, accustomed to driving everywhere and in everything, this is a sign that we should not be touched. This does not mean that they will leave us alone, but the military scenario has already lost their former attractiveness for them .... They realized that we were nothing will not stop ... we will apply everything .. and then EVERYTHING will not seem enough ..
    7. +8
      21 January 2013 10: 44
      The strange behavior of Japan ... The Yankees destroyed them with atomic weapons, and they respected them even more by providing their territory for US military bases.
      1. Region65
        +1
        21 January 2013 11: 00
        this is called political, physical and spiritual prostitution on a state scale :)
        1. +2
          21 January 2013 12: 21
          Yes, they crushed them intimidating. If they reset yao once, they will reset again
      2. Neringa285
        +1
        21 January 2013 13: 16
        This is a mentality. Cultural traditions dictate submission to the winner ... but ... the spirit of revenge is nurtured ... the United States will still remember this bombing ....
        1. -2
          21 January 2013 17: 28
          Quote: Neringa285
          This is a mentality. Cultural traditions dictate submission to the winner ..

          So why aren’t they going to get along with the Kuril Islands? Forgot how we defeated the Kwantung Army? Some kind of one-sided memory.
          1. Neringa285
            +1
            21 January 2013 17: 34
            Once again I repeat ... learn history .. especially the period of Khrushchev’s reign, there you will find protocols on intentions to transfer Shikotan, Iturup to Japan .. and it seems like some other island ... in exchange for signing a peace treaty ... And anyway. ..read and teach ... think .. meditation adorns a man.
      3. 0
        21 January 2013 17: 29
        Quote: Byordovvv1
        The Yankees destroyed them with atomic weapons, and they respected them even more.
        I agree, I was always surprised.
    8. +4
      21 January 2013 10: 50
      It amazes me differently, as people sitting in offices, most of whom have never been in China or Japan (I mean all kinds of experts). This is so easy to operate with such terrible terms as - war, nuclear strike. How to drink beer. For them, is that an empty phrase? They don’t care how many victims will be, what will happen to the environment in the world? Sorry - cynicism. And instead of calculating options for a peaceful resolution to this problem, they are calculating who will kill whom and with what. The apocalypse of our days, not otherwise.
      1. Region65
        +1
        21 January 2013 11: 57
        and he’s there in Astralia? :))) he won’t reach them :))) he’s dreaming ... a professor)))
      2. Neringa285
        +1
        21 January 2013 13: 45
        Drinking beer is bad.
    9. djon3volta
      -2
      21 January 2013 10: 51
      let's be honest, who would like to see the real war between Japan and China? naturally with the participation of planes, boats, missiles. although I wouldn’t want an atomic weapon to be bonded. here I would like not to show the Syrian or Algerian conflict on TV, but the Japanese- Chinese, and not like in Syria where soldiers are running around with automatic weapons, but a real massacre with sunken ships and downed planes wassat so that the reports directly show where the torpedo is being drowned or the S-300 in a real battle shoots down a Japanese rocket.
      1. +3
        21 January 2013 12: 23
        djon3volta,
        You need to be treated. fool
      2. Neringa285
        +2
        21 January 2013 13: 46
        Disgusting. Some kind of perverted consciousness.
      3. +2
        21 January 2013 20: 27
        What are you bloodthirsty !!!! Can you also spray blood on the camera? And a 3D TV with presence?
    10. +1
      21 January 2013 10: 52
      I do not think that Japan can oppose something to China militarily. The USA will vryatli will carry out direct aggression. But in the backyard to spoil a nice deed (The main thing is that all the butch would pass without us ... and they will try to drag us in for sure)
      1. +5
        22 January 2013 00: 43
        Here you are very mistaken, because the war will take place at sea and in the air over the sea, then the huge land forces of China will be useless, the Japanese Navy is in excellent condition, and the training of sailors and the experience of military operations all speak in favor of the samurai.
        1. SASCHAmIXEEW
          0
          26 January 2013 14: 04
          China has missiles that will reach the Yaps, I think there are no fools and all this is just hysteria, a game of muscles, but this was not enough for the states with their internal problems! I think solid show-offs! The external threat of the USA is not T, which means the people will not rise! but with mercenaries all over the world you won’t get much!
    11. SPIRITofFREEDOM
      +4
      21 January 2013 10: 53
      As already got the tales of NATO (American) bandits that when they get to the next hospital or school that they are not to blame!
      not guilty? is this an excuse
      cards?
      and who will be rightfully responsible for the claimed lives of innocent people who do not know that they have come to democratize?
    12. +5
      21 January 2013 10: 55
      Interesting in my opinion opinions of other experts

      Japan, despite the fact that the number of its self-defense forces is almost 10 times smaller than the People’s Liberation Army of China, has one more advantage: an ally in the person of the United States, who are contractually obligated to intervene in the conflict if aggression is carried out against Japan. And in their predictions about how the confrontation with China and Japan and the United States will end for China, experts are unanimous.
      According to Konstantin Sivkov, the US factor in itself completely excludes the possibility of the Chinese launching a military operation in the area of ​​the islands. "In a" head-on "collision between the Chinese and the US-Japanese fleet, even with a large number of Chinese aircraft, the American fleet carrier-based aircraft, together with the tactical group of aircraft deployed in Okinawa, will be able to solve the problem of combat strength in repelling the strike and inflicting unacceptable losses on Chinese attack aircraft, - said Sivkov. - Of course, Tomahawk-type cruise missiles will be hit at Chinese airfields, a significant part of the aircraft will be destroyed, infrastructure will be destroyed, and within a week or two, with the participation of the United States, Chinese aircraft will be largely defeated. The Chinese fleet will certainly be defeated, because it will join the US nuclear submarines such as Los Angeles, which can easily cope with the Chinese forces.
      The naval weapons of the Chinese are quite powerful, but their air defense is weak, so ships will be easily destroyed by cruise missiles at a distance exceeding the range of Chinese missiles. Therefore, if the “emotions” go wild and the matter goes to a military conflict, then everything will be limited to minor clashes at sea and in the air, after which the United States will threaten to join it, and China will most likely begin to curtail its military operation, but in return will apply a powerful economic impact ” .
      “Without US support, the Japanese self-defense forces will not be able to secure the retention of these islands if the Chinese leadership decides to seize these islands at all costs. At the same time, Chinese aviation will suffer significant losses - up to 150 aircraft. The Japanese Air Force will suffer losses, measured by dozens of aircraft. But if the United States in full, as it should, enter into conflict, then the Chinese forces will be defeated, ”he added.

      "The United States does not take any position on the territorial dispute itself, but if something happens that is interpreted as an attack on Japan, they will intervene in the matter," says Vasily Kashin. - The United States has a group in the region, including the aircraft carrier George Washington, the Marine Corps in Okinawa, aviation, and troops in Korea. That is, in the immediate vicinity of the disputed islands, there are significant American forces, including an aircraft carrier strike group, which, in the event of a threat of conflict, are capable of being within a matter of hours in a combat zone and participating. The balance of power is so not in favor of China in the event of a conflict that there can be no talk of any desire of China to carry out aggression. China still has a long way to go to seriously threaten Japan. ”
      Recall that the islands, once discovered by the Chinese, at the end of the 19th century moved to Japan following the First Sino-Japanese War. However, after losing in World War II, Tokyo lost the right to all the conquered territories, the islands came under US jurisdiction. In the 70's, the United States returned Japan to Okinawa along with the Senkaku archipelago (in Diaoyudao in Chinese - approx. LOOK). Currently, formally, the Japanese authorities own one of the five islands of the archipelago, the rest they rent from private owners and until very recently refused to buy them.

      http://vz.ru/society/2012/9/18/598549.html
      1. vladsolo56
        +3
        21 January 2013 11: 01
        Too simplified analysis of the defeat of China during the intervention of America. China is a closed country in terms of defense. no one knows where and what they have. I am sure that the leaders of China are not insane, and before unleashing a conflict, they carefully calculate what this will turn out for them.
        1. Region65
          +2
          21 January 2013 11: 56
          in, but for some reason ours still lisp with mattress covers, periodically allowing all inspections to come here and make "observation flights" over our territory ......))))))) also keep everything secret))) urgently!
        2. Neringa285
          +2
          21 January 2013 13: 48
          In addition, what are you writing about, I think that China will have a reliable rear, represented by the Russian Federation, in case of conflict ...)))))))))
      2. +1
        21 January 2013 12: 12
        Quote: Apollon
        under a treaty, they must intervene in the conflict if aggression is carried out against Japan.

        But if on the contrary, Japan will commit aggression? In China, they are not idiots in power, they know about this clause of the treaty and will do everything to expose Japan as an aggressor.
      3. -1
        21 January 2013 13: 37
        Quote: Apollon
        Interesting in my opinion opinions of other experts

        Yes, of course! Nobody with China will face one on one! One thing is obvious, that at the pace of development of the Chinese economy, no one will leave him alone!
        1. survivor
          0
          21 January 2013 13: 42
          oh? it’s just the sense of aggression, to trample a country into a primitive communal ... strengthening China, as well as strengthening any other country except the USA itself, will entail the loss of the dominant role, and a decrease in the role of America will entail its fragmentation as a state.
      4. Guun
        0
        21 January 2013 17: 08
        As for me, Konstantin Sivkov wrote nonsense: Japan and the USA will tear everyone up and without losses yet? In Afghanistan, US and NATO soldiers lost and leave with a very painful ass, but with the PLA I’ll tell you so it’s not rolling, they have medium and short range missiles with Nuclear weapons and how many of them are unknown to the PLA. I think they will launch thousands of missiles in the Japan-mattress fleet - they will defeat everyone. And there is no AUG and gender of the population of Japan. China is not a fool and therefore there are no orange revolutions and people who suit them
    13. avt
      +3
      21 January 2013 10: 55
      Quote: Byordovvv1
      The strange behavior of Japan ... The Yankees destroyed them with atomic weapons, and they respected them even more by providing their territory for US military bases.
      Well why. Japan is a country occupied since the Second World War, the Yankees hold them pretty tough, that they will say and do it. The Japanese are not the first time, remember how amers at gunpoint forced this country to become "open", as they gave money together with the Britons and pushed it into a war with tsarist Russia. So if the amers decide, the Japanese will get into a fight with China against any of their interests.
    14. itr
      0
      21 January 2013 10: 58
      Jane will be the war of China and America
      America and China are not profitable
      one will have nothing to consume for a penny;
      and Japan will remain in its place to hell, they don’t need anyone with their patch of radioactive land. I care about what they forgot about Taiwan. These, in my opinion, will first of all lose independence
    15. survivor
      +2
      21 January 2013 11: 00
      I think we are not next in line, after China, but the unleashing of a full-blown 3 world war. any attempt at aggression against such a large state as the heavenly one will lead not only to exacerbate tensions in the region, but also to the involvement of all states of the region in the war. South Korea will be forced to support Japan and the United States, as it is bound by treaties. North Korea will 100% support China, since China helped it in the war against the southerners, and also, under the guise, it is quite realistic to capture South Korea. Vietnam, Laos and other players will simply be forced to support China. no one will succeed and even us. What is this if not a full-blown world war?
    16. Region65
      +5
      21 January 2013 11: 00
      an Australian professor predicts the Sino-Japanese war already in 2013, and with the participation of the United States .... how many "professors, experts, writers and just thinkers" love to catch a fly, push a straw in its back and start to blow a real elephant out of a fly :)))))))) then the "prophets" predict an attack on Iran (crap, did not take place and will not take place), then on Syria (also crap, an adventure already almost lost by the West :))) then (which they especially love to shake about from the fear of dreaming American figures of pen and paper) the war between Russia and China, Russia and the United States, that's just the war between Russia and the Giant Mongolia is not predicted :))) .... now they began to drool over the sweet theme of the war between the United States and China .... nonsense, stupid pooping in the eyes with big poop ..... The US economy is almost completely dependent on China, the bulk of the US production is brought to China (called outsourcing, when the left labor force is hired, the left equipment and other means of production are rented) then there isChina should simply abandon payments in dollars, close all pin-dostan production facilities on its territory, and at one point the already impoverished and drowned in debt "Great pseudo-power" will collapse into chaos, which it still likes to sow on foreign territories. And even though the amers believe that Russia is the only country today that is capable of sweeping America's connected pants off the planet, I still think that China can also make this country a big waw. In general, Western scribblers simply have nothing to write about, nothing to glorify their unknown names ... it would be better if they caught and studied butterflies, well, or wrote melodramas like our Dasha Dontsova))) seems to be writing nonsense too, but the name is loud and colossal loot)))
      1. avt
        +2
        21 January 2013 12: 00
        [quote = Region65] about the "prophets" predict an attack on Iran (crap, did not take place and will not take place), then on Syria (also crap, an adventure already almost lost by the West :))) ----------- --- Not a mess, but prevented scenarios for the development of events. For the first time in the past decades, the words of the Russian leadership did not diverge from deeds. Do not believe me - look at the hysteria of Secretary of State Clinton. And the howl that arose after the support of Syria.
        1. Region65
          0
          22 January 2013 15: 53
          I believe and do not argue :) but a prophecy is a "prediction of the inevitable" of what is written and prescribed and will certainly take place :) so all these Western prophets are not prophets at all .. they are stupid cousins ​​:)
    17. 0
      21 January 2013 11: 12
      Undoubtedly, the 3rd World War will be, the question is when. And the Chinese just throw their hats laughing
      1. Elijah
        0
        22 January 2013 21: 47
        Nah ... smelly footcloths)))))
    18. +15
      21 January 2013 11: 14
      The S-300s are comparable, the author writes, with Patriot air defense systems of American production, those that were recently sent to Turkey on the "first line of the Syrian defense."


      Comparative characteristics of anti-aircraft missile systems
      S-300 (Russia) and Patriot PAC-2 (USA)


      Aerodynamic Target / Ballistic Target Radius
      S-300 PMU-1 - 40-150 Patriot Pac-2 - up to 90 km / up to 20 km
      Grip height of aerodynamic target / ballistic target
      0,01 to 30 km 0,06 to 24,4 km / 3 to 12 km
      Scud missile defense zone
      up to 1500 sq. km. up to 150 square meters Km
      Max Target Speed
      10000 m / s 2200 m / s
      Maximum Starts Per Second
      1-2 3-4
      Preparing time for launch and coagulation time of the launch complex
      5min 15 / 30min

      If we add to this that the S-300 vehicles are mounted on a self-propelled chassis of high cross-country ability, and the Patriot vehicles are on trailers, it becomes obvious that the S-300 is significantly superior in mobility and, consequently, survivability of the American complex.
      Another advantage of the S-300 is a vertical launch due to which it is possible to fire at targets flying from any direction, without reversal PU
      In the "Patriot" missile launch is inclined, which means that during an intense maneuvering battle, you will have to deploy launchers or arrange them in advance so as to cover all dangerous directions - in this case, fire capabilities are reduced
      The missile of the Russian complex has more powerful combat equipment. With the same accuracy of guidance, this provides a higher probability of hitting a target, which is especially important when shooting at ballistic missiles. The weight of the S-300 140kg warhead for the Patriot is 80kg.
      The C-300 is inferior in the number of simultaneously fired targets -6 versus 9. But there is one caveat. If you believe the brochures of the Pentagon, then their complex is capable of firing simultaneously at 9 targets.
      Indeed, the "Patriot" can "tie" 9 tracks, but in the last section of approach with targets it hits only three targets simultaneously. From the very beginning, the S-300 has the ability to conduct missiles to all targets that are captured, until they are destroyed. With intensive raids, the performance of the Russian air defense system will be higher than the American one.
      Well, we do not forget that there are more advanced modifications, the same "Favorite" not to mention the S-400 ("Triumph") entering service

      1. Region65
        +2
        21 January 2013 11: 54
        Ascetic! you are a sadist! you don’t have a sense of tact and not a gram of poly-correctness! Well, why do you break off poor American's teeth? let me dream! let him indulge :)))) fellow
        1. +9
          21 January 2013 12: 21
          Region65,

          If the United States is the very apocalyptic "Babylon" and "harlot" who will conquer the whole Earth before the end of the world, then it will not escape common troubles and misfortunes, especially since, according to "Revelation", A deep crisis awaits even earlier than other regions.

          "
          17 For in one hour such wealth perished! And all the helmsmen, and all the sailing ships, and all the shipbuilders, and all the merchants on the sea were far away
          18 and, seeing the smoke from her fire, they cried out, saying: What city is like a great city!
          19 And they dusted their heads, and cried out, weeping and weeping: woe, woe to you, great city, whose jewels were enriched by all those who have ships at sea, for it was empty in one hour! "


          Those. all the other "trading at sea" still have time to see the fall of "Babylon" and regret their profits., Victories do not happen without consequences and defeats, they defeated the USSR, but as a result they got world chaos and crisis, dare the Muammar in Libya who kept all of North Africa, received uncontrolled partisanism and rampant Islamic extremism in response, I generally keep quiet about Afghanistan and al-Qaeda. then he will reward each one according to his deeds. "(Matthew 16)
          Everything goes to the fact that the superpower will have to leave the place of honor. What usually accompanies such a departure of a large state to the lower ranks, we have already thoroughly experienced ourselves. But in contrast to them, we have not degenerated from a "well-fed life" and from total duping by totalitarianism, even in 20 years of post-Soviet spiritual and moral genocide. They have no chance. There is no question to be or not to be, Question-WHEN?
          1. +2
            21 January 2013 13: 20
            Ascetic,
            What is most interesting is that they, i.e. the United States, understand this perfectly, although they prefer not to talk about it out loud, and will in every possible way delay this "wonderful" moment, and therefore, as I understand it, they will not harness themselves for Japanhelp financially, but to fight no
            But nevertheless, the east is a delicate matter, and it will most likely tear there
          2. +1
            21 January 2013 15: 32
            In the United States, 100 million white people, (which is almost the same as in Russia), when the internal showdown begins, they are bent and blacks and Latinos are complete, these are the Anglo-Saxons, and not the good Russians, nobody will dare to utter a cut.
            1. Neringa285
              +1
              21 January 2013 15: 40
              So it is .. it is enough to recall the internment of the Japanese, even those born in the United States during World War II.
            2. +3
              21 January 2013 19: 34
              A small amendment, in the US 200 million white and 100 million color, which is also not ice. But there are already states with a predominantly colored population, in particular, there are 4 such states in the country (California, New Mexico, Texas, Hawaii), as well as the territory of the District of Columbia - Washington
      2. +3
        21 January 2013 12: 12
        In Turkey, the Patriot PAC-3". Improved slightly.
        1. +8
          21 January 2013 13: 13
          Quote: Mart
          In Turkey complexes "Patriot PAC-3". Slightly improved.


          The real characteristics of the S-300 PM are classified, Liter U-export (truncated) version of "Patriot PAC-3 is also not all reliable and accessible. Here is from open data

          1. Range of destruction of an aerodynamic target:
          S-300PMU - 150km.
          Patriot PAC-3 - 80km
          2. Range of destruction of a ballistic target:
          S-300PMU - 40km.
          Patriot PAC-3 - n.a.
          3. Minimum target engagement height:
          S-300PMU - 10m
          Patriot PAC-3 - 60m
          4. Maximum target engagement height:
          S-300PMU - 30km
          Patriot PAC-3 - 24km
          5. The maximum speed of hit targets:
          S-300PMU - 10000km / h
          Patriot PAC-3 ~ 7500-8000km / h
          6. Number of simultaneously fired targets:
          S-300PMU - 6
          Patriot PAC-3 - 2
          7. The number of missiles launched simultaneously:
          S-300PMU - 12
          Patriot PAC-3 - 9
          8. Target detection range:
          S-300PMU - 300km
          Patriot PAC-3 - 180km
          9. Max rocket speed:
          S-300PMU - 2000m / s
          Patriot PAC-3 - 1700m / s
          10. Mass warhead missiles:
          S-300PMU - 140kg.
          Patriot PAC-3 - 91kg.
          11. Technical rate of fire:
          S-300PMU - 1 shot in 3 seconds
          Patriot PAC-3 - 1 shot in 5 seconds
          12. Complex deployment time:
          S-300PMU - 5min.
          Patriot PAC-3 - n.a.
          This is despite the fact that the Patriot PAC-3 air defense system is by far the most advanced Patriot, and the percentage of these systems in the US Army in relation to all Patriots is relatively small. S-400, Triumph, "as you know, is already in service since 2007, it enters the army (four regiments in total, if memory serves).
          1. +6
            21 January 2013 13: 32
            Now about the targets on which the long-range air defense systems are being tested. They also have no analogues in the world. In the 90s, a KR simulator was used at Kap-Yar "Strizh-3". Able at an altitude of 50 m to bend around the terrain and rise sharply up to a kilometer, "Tit" is a simulator of a high-speed, inconspicuous object (speed of about 1000 m / s) and the third target is a simulator of a ballistic and aeroballistic target (in my opinion, it was called a "boar" )
            So all the duels ended in favor of three hundred, Which targets of four hundred, alas, I do not know, and probably they are not reported in the public domain.

            Here are the shots of the S-400 tests in Cap Yar December 21, 2012

            1. +2
              21 January 2013 16: 04
              Please specify 1000 m / s or 1000 km / h? Simulator speed.
              1. +6
                21 January 2013 16: 56
                Quote: Setrac
                Please specify 1000 m / s or 1000 km / h? Simulator speed.

                up to 1000m / s (declared up to 900m / s).

                PNK Lisa-M mobile ground complex with Strizh-type target missiles
                RM type "Strizh" developed on the basis of 5Ya25 and 5Ya24 missiles of the S-25M system and are intended to simulate flight performance and effective dispersion surface (EPR) of air attack weapons, including tactical aviation (TA), strategic aviation (SA), cruise missiles (KR), non-strategic ballistic missiles (NBR) and hypersonic aircraft (GZLA).
                The RM "Strizh" family includes the "Strizh-2", "Strizh-3" and "Strizh-5" RMs, which are mass-produced, and "Strizh-4V (MV)", which are at the stage of experimental design.
                Main characteristics
                Launch weight, kg 4000
                EPR, m2:
                own
                0,1-0,3
                with a Luneberg lens
                1,5-2
                Flight range, km 50-200
                Flight altitude, km 0,05-26
                Flight speed, m/s 150-1200
                dimensions
                (length x diameter
                x wingspan), m 12 x 0,65 x 2,6
                Aerodynamic scheme "duck"

                Target missiles and target air defense systems
                here
            2. 0
              21 January 2013 16: 58
              Quote: Ascetic
              "Tit" - a simulator of a high-speed, inconspicuous object (speed of the order of 1000 km / s)

              8 km / s first space, 1000 km / s deep space. Somewhere a typo.
      3. Windbreak
        +1
        21 January 2013 12: 58
        Quote: Ascetic
        Max Target Speed
        10000 m / s
        even the S-300PMU2 almaz-antey.ru/catalogue/millitary_catalogue/52/273/275/283 The maximum speed of the targets hit 2800 m / s
      4. +2
        21 January 2013 13: 14
        Ascetic,
        The main thing is no politics, but all (opponents) are cleanly washed drinks
    19. +6
      21 January 2013 11: 20
      Neither China nor the USA can afford such a luxury while Russia is on the bench.
      1. 0
        21 January 2013 11: 30
        Yes, they don’t need us yet.
      2. -1
        21 January 2013 13: 31
        Quote: vorobey
        Neither China nor the USA can afford such a luxury while Russia is on the bench.

        Maybe fate gives us a chance? Or maybe we are like a super prize for the winner! wassat
        1. Guun
          0
          21 January 2013 17: 16
          Quote: nycsson
          Or maybe we are like a super prize for the winner!

          Rather superboss. Last.
      3. +2
        21 January 2013 19: 17
        That's for sure. Because we simply will not have a way out - the winner will have to come to rob us. On the other hand, he will not have products not affected by radiation! Therefore - nuclear blackmail in full, there’s nothing to lose by yourself, roll it, Russians, all the grub here, otherwise we’ll drop nuclear weapons. Therefore, our actions are almost predetermined - we will have to beat the winner. And it’s stupid to think that the Chinese with the amers do not understand this. They can grapple only by bringing us clean.
    20. Sarus
      +4
      21 January 2013 11: 45
      In my opinion, there would be a war between the PRC and the USA .. Russia is in any case a plus ... Weakened China is our leverage on it .. For oil, gas and raw materials ...
      Weakened USA .. This is our strengthening in art in Europe in the Middle East .. Plus, under any agreement with China on friendship and love ..
      But the weakened Russian Federation in front of China or the United States ... However, we have already passed this and are passing ...
    21. trofim07
      +1
      21 January 2013 11: 50
      And we do not bathe for the disputed islands with China! Just give them a gift to China and that’s it.
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VlUBu195TOk
      1. djon3volta
        -4
        21 January 2013 12: 35
        that’s why they are debatable. It seems that these islands were your own, and Putin took and took from you and then gave them to the Chinese. You probably live thousands of kilometers from the islands, but almost pretend to them.
        1. +2
          21 January 2013 13: 30
          Quote: djon3volta
          that’s why they are debatable. It seems that these islands were your own, and Putin took and took from you and then gave them to the Chinese. You probably live thousands of kilometers from the islands, but almost pretend to them.

          Here you are an eccentric with the letter "M"! I'm shocked! fool
    22. +4
      21 January 2013 11: 56
      It is unlikely that it will come to a direct military conflict, especially with the use of nuclear weapons. They are not fools, and they perfectly understand how this can end ... But this conflict will not be local and will continue by the fact that other participants will be drawn into it. And you and I (well, that is Russia) will not be able to sit aside ... But this will be the very notorious WW-III (or the third world war) ... But there will be no winners in it ...
      Apocalyptic prognosis? .. Perhaps I over-thickened the colors. I do not argue. But in any case, well, to her damn grandmother, this very war ... Especially in the vicinity of our borders ...
      1. +3
        21 January 2013 12: 16
        here is what the amers may well have a preemptive strike against China.
        He has few missiles, no air defense and normal air defense.
        A 10 AUG will re-launch the Chinese fleet easily and naturally.
        + They make the geyropecev vomit.
        + Indians.
        But fortunately no one needs it yet, but years through 10 ......................
        1. garik404
          +1
          21 January 2013 13: 23
          The vague doubt of the existence of the USA as such 10 years torment me.
          You look at what is happening inside the country now - the passions are constantly growing.
          1. The rich states no longer want to feed the poor, confirmation of this fact is the collection of signatures on the withdrawal of 7 (seven) states from the country, and the leadership of the white Sarai understands this, so they began to move in the direction of banning the free sale of assault weapons, so that the hot Texas heads did not begin to pursue their independence by force.
          2. Constantly growing external debt, which weakens the position of the dollar.
        2. +1
          21 January 2013 13: 27
          Quote: leon-iv
          But fortunately no one needs it yet, but years through 10 ......................

          Let's see how it all ends! 10 years - you have gone too far ....... After 10 years, China will crush everyone at such a pace of development, but the USA will not allow this!
          1. +1
            21 January 2013 13: 48
            And who will give them the technology? It’s impossible to steal everything. Clones of an iPhone are one thing to stamp another high-tech weaponry.
            1. Guun
              +2
              21 January 2013 17: 30
              Technology is provided by Ukraine and bribed specialists all over the world. Do not worry, they already do good weapons. And why do you dislike China? We need to envy and take an example!
        3. +1
          21 January 2013 14: 00
          And yet, here I agree with you, dear leon-iv. I can only add that if India gets involved in this mess, Pakistan can easily fit into it (naturally, on the Chinese side, since they have long and tightly been friends against the Indians) ... A country possessing nuclear weapons and not the latest army in the region ... Needless to say, this circumstance will add an excellent portion of butter and add to the ongoing light ...
          As for Europe ... Here I would not argue that it will immediately and immediately rush into the slaughter. Initially, they will manage with half measures and "logistic assistance" (with the possible exception of good old Britain, these can easily get caught on the move) ... Over time, they will most likely fit in ...
          But the timing I would not predict. It all depends on the mind and endurance of the conflicting parties ...
          1. Neringa285
            -2
            21 January 2013 14: 05
            Mr. Shiko ... now is not the time of Henry II ... Unfortunately, everything you wrote has no basis and no justification. So .. a set of words ....
        4. Guun
          0
          21 January 2013 17: 27
          Quote: leon-iv
          here that’s what the Amers may well have a preemptive strike against China. That has few missiles, no air defense and normal air defense. A 10 AUG will re-launch the Chinese fleet easily and naturally. + They make the geyropecev. + Indians. But fortunately no one needs it yet, but in 10 years

          I disagree with you.
          China's air defense is the S-300 and its copies, how many of them we do not know in China, but believe MUCH. AUGs will be sooooo far from the shores of China because the Chinese anti-ship missiles will again be Soviet / Russia + China, their fleet will cover their fleet with land-based air defense and they will again have Soviet aircraft / We don’t know how much the improved ones and copies and the number of them are unknown. And the Geyropeans are not able to fight now, the Hindus will flee from nuclear weapons that China can use, and there are no doubts that the PLA casts medium and short range AUGs, their number is also unknown but not less than a thousand, AUG will fly along with nuclear weapons, and after 10 years, the PLA will have a completely new army, in 20 years they have raised the army from shit and turned it into a powerful force, and their BR by this time will be very technologically advanced and not only BR.
          1. -1
            21 January 2013 17: 59
            China's air defense is the S-300
            20 divisions
            we don’t know, but believe MUCH
            Hongqi-10 is a division and the pace of their release is low.
            .AUGs will be sooooo far from the coast of China because China’s RCC is again Soviet / Russia
            nobody delivered long-range missiles to them
            their best is the YJ-83 with a theoretical 180 km.
            their planes are again Soviet / Russian, both improved and replicated, and we don’t know their number
            Air Force base 200 Su-27 and Su-30mkk + local divisions.
            amers airborne deck-based (66 units): 48 F / A-18 Hornet multi-role fighter-bombers, 4 EA-6B Prowler EWS, 4 Grumman E-2 Hawkeye Aircraft, 2 C-2 Greyhound transport aircraft, 8 anti-submarine helicopters Sikorsky SH-60 Seahawk.
            and their US can set up to 10
            Hindus get rid of nuclear weapons that China can use
            First, you ask who the basis of the Indian Armed Forces is, and by the way, they have nuclear weapons.
            Medium-range and short-range BR
            Well, now I am ready to listen to a lecture on methods of pointing bb to AUG and especially on the final section of the trajectory.

            , and their BR by this time will be very technological and not only BR.
            Yes, by the way, take an interest when the last time the BR was launched at full range.
            1. Guun
              0
              22 January 2013 09: 22
              Where did you get this info if reliable information about the Chinese troops does not know both the Russian Federation and the United States? Spies there are severely punished.
              Have you served in the army? How many soldiers are ready to give their lives for their homeland? I will tell you that there are 1 in 10000 such people in the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan. And how many do you have? In China, you have seen a lot and tell you there the soldiers will die without thinking!

              First, you ask who the basis of the Indian Armed Forces is, and by the way, they have nuclear weapons.
              -You said that the Indians will go to China, and I told you that in such a case, the PLA would use nuclear weapons without hesitation. And the fact that the Indian Armed Forces possess nuclear weapons I know.
              Yes, by the way, take an interest when the last time the BR was launched at full range.
              - Teaching in China is coming, take a look.
              nobody delivered long-range missiles to them
              their best is the YJ-83 with a theoretical 180 km.
              -No one knows about the new developments of China, and the weapons of the USSR still terrify the United States and NATO, and there are enough secret developments that they have in service.
              Air Force base 200 Su-27 and Su-30mkk + local divisions.
              -What are these planes bad for?
    23. Alex.A
      -19
      21 January 2013 12: 40
      The United States is a great state, if it weren’t for the Americans, I don’t even want to imagine what the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China would do with small states and peoples.
      1. +6
        21 January 2013 13: 18
        Alex.A
        "The United States is a great state, if it were not for the Americans I do not even want to imagine what the Russian Federation and China would have done to small states and peoples."
        You already there carefully lick America's ass. And then, as usual, strive to lick allies' blood.
        1. survivor
          +1
          21 January 2013 13: 21
          )))))! +10000000000000.
      2. +2
        21 January 2013 13: 26
        Quote: Alex.A
        The United States is a great state, if it weren’t for the Americans, I don’t even want to imagine what the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China would do with small states and peoples.

        What are you carrying? fool All wars in the world from their greed, etc.
      3. +1
        21 January 2013 13: 27
        Alex.A,
        They would hack their Internet connection. laughing
      4. Neringa285
        0
        21 January 2013 13: 58
        And you don’t have to imagine .. just get out of where your benefactor drove you ... then wash yourself .. be sure ... Yes
      5. garik404
        +5
        21 January 2013 14: 04
        Do you understand Russian? Or do you use Google translate?
        1. +3
          21 January 2013 16: 07
          Quote: Alex.A
          The United States is a great state, if it weren’t for the Americans, I don’t even want to imagine what the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China would do with small states and peoples.

          I will help you imagine: schools would be built, hospitals, universities opened, well, there are factories, power plants, roads ... and much more !!!
        2. 0
          21 January 2013 16: 26
          garik404,

          A nice picture ..... But in the USA, an eagle (apparently due to the fact that it is a symbol of the USA) is a sacred animal, for the death of which it is almost criminal responsibility, and we have bears shot here and there. Moreover, if I understand the forced shooting, when the bears are already starting to pose a danger to humans (still not a bird), but also simply because the trophy is also wet
          1. +1
            22 January 2013 08: 03
            The symbol of the USA only looks beautiful, but in nature it’s a scavenger and a very bad bird
            1. +1
              22 January 2013 15: 09
              Let me draw your attention to the fact that the symbol of Russia (all Slavs) is not a bear, but a falcon, and a bear - an image of Russia that is spread in the west.
              1. Neringa285
                0
                22 January 2013 19: 48
                The falcon is a symbol of Ukraine, this ridge, mistaken for a trident, is a falcon.))))
        3. Elijah
          0
          22 January 2013 21: 52
          This is a bear without vodka))))
      6. +1
        21 January 2013 16: 20
        Quote: Alex.A
        The United States is a great state, if it weren’t for the Americans, I don’t even want to imagine what the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China would do with small states and peoples.


        I want to sleep bad today .... tell a terrible tale ...

        Or .... Mishiko is you? Your song of praise is already useless .... You were weighed .... measured ... recognized unfit and thrown out .....
      7. 0
        21 January 2013 18: 00
        Quote: Alex.A
        USA is a great state

        In what sense is great?
        Quote: Alex.A
        I don’t even want to imagine

        That's right, envy is a bad feeling
      8. +1
        22 January 2013 02: 46
        Alex.A
        what would the Russian Federation do with small states and peoples
        , Russia did something with little Georgia, but the USA didn’t interfere, again they pounded the small South Ossetians and the United States was silent again, but Russia helped them by kissing someone, so that you hope in the USA (your god), but don’t hesitate . And as the United States defended Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan, just a fairy tale.
      9. Elijah
        0
        22 January 2013 21: 50
        Yes? and the offensive to Iraq? Libya? Syria? Etc...
        they fly to oil like sharks to the blood ... they say they carry DEMOCRACY ...
        Thank God the Russians themselves do not allow this.
    24. +3
      21 January 2013 12: 58
      What war can we talk about! You can only imagine how many goods are produced in China, and in America itself it’s about 80 percent if not more products are made in China! The Americans want a lot, but they forget that in the pursuit of profit they drove themselves into a corner by transferring production to China, and not only America, there are many largest companies from the EU. The only thing that Amerikans can plan is a change in the political system or a reorientation of it to the United States no more. Well, about the war of Japan and China, well, generally funny request Elephant and pug, China doesn’t need nuclear weapons, gouging nuclear plants in Japan and UVS, a karachun to the land of the rising sun, they are no longer up to the war. This article is nothing more than another attempt to scare Europe and the US people with another threat and take it away from the crisis.
    25. SEM
      SEM
      0
      21 January 2013 13: 00
      how events will develop, that’s why it will be necessary to play, at this stage, urgent modernization and preparation of troops should be carried out, and there the country will be indestructible against any aggressor !!!
    26. survivor
      0
      21 January 2013 13: 09
      they’ve just shown an analitic program according to a zombie man. so, according to one of the plots, the Abama is going to send her secret messenger with a letter to Putin right after the inauguration. that this letter is not yet known, but ... we are talking about an attempt to resuscitate a reset of relations. Abama has something to offer Putin. as he thinks. not otherwise, we will talk about China. I think that something will try to interest Putin, and in return wait for concessions and non-intervention in the event of another imposition of shit on anyone thread. at least our analysts think that again, as with Medvedev, the issue will revolve around missile defense.
      1. Neringa285
        0
        21 January 2013 15: 37
        I think that the letter in this letter will deal with operations in Africa and the Syrian conflict, well, of course, among other things. Russia, bypassing the United States, intends to take part in France’s operations in Mali, practically it’s a NATO operation, like Libya, but the United States bypassed in all matters, starting from the coordination of the contingent of participants with them ... Putin spit from the XNUMX-meter tower on all attempts to impose or export democracy in the US. Read the December article by E. Primakov ... and you will understand that today we are no longer living in the country in which we lived yesterday and hinted to some people that it was time to end with market illusions ...
        1. survivor
          +1
          21 January 2013 15: 40
          I already understand this for a long time. Thank God, they stopped humiliating themselves!
    27. Yurikus
      +2
      21 January 2013 13: 42
      These analysts and professors are simple provocateurs who are most likely to write similar analyzes on order from the same CIA. The CIA just monitors the impact.
    28. +1
      21 January 2013 13: 44
      IMHO Neither China nor Japan needs war ... Only the USA needs it. And it is needed in order to somehow smooth out the financial crisis that is going on in the American state. They will start to fight - they will launch the military-industrial complex to its fullest ... Well, then consider for yourself how much money you can earn on this. To whom is war, and to whom is mother dear?
      1. survivor
        -1
        21 January 2013 13: 49
        even the Second World War was needed more by America than the same Germany. although ... the principles of national unity in the face of an external enemy, the seizure of neighboring territory in order to hide the mistakes and crisis in their country is a very common step.
      2. Neringa285
        0
        21 January 2013 14: 01
        The Anglo-Saxons always traveled on someone else's hump ... Militarization of the economy is the path to prosperity. They experienced it in 1939 ... the United States got out of depression exclusively at the expense of us and the Germans .. we fought, and they are rich on our blood.
    29. Alex.A
      -13
      21 January 2013 14: 18
      Nagaibak
      survivor
      nycsson
      old rocket man
      Neringa285
      garik404

      Whatever you say it like that, and that’s why you hate the United States.
      For they do not give you the opportunity to realize their imperialistic ambitions.
      1. garik404
        +10
        21 January 2013 15: 52
        Yankee, go home !!!
      2. +6
        21 January 2013 16: 28
        Alex.A
        Will you tie ..?
      3. +9
        21 January 2013 16: 41
        And why should we love this country?
        For the intervention during the civil or bombing of the Far East during the cold war?
        For the operation "Unthinkable", which they planned, but were simply afraid to carry out?
        For raising any fools in Hungary or Czechoslovakia to an armed insurrection, and we paid the lives of our soldiers to put out these bloody lesions?
        For having organized and financed through their Arab and Turkish slaves a bloody war in the North Caucasus?
        For having financed and organized their Georgian serfs for the vile 080808 war?
        For the fact that at the moment they are doing their utmost to bring the Arab chaos created by them and controlled by them to the borders of Russia and to plunge my country into this chaos?
        With what insanity should I love my killer?
        And to accuse me of the unwillingness of success to my mortal enemy is a sign of mental illness.
    30. survivor
      +8
      21 January 2013 14: 31
      you would be silent about imperial ambitions! yes, I hate the USA, but more I hate those who forget their own history! yes, there are imperial ambitions, but who, if not Russia, has the right to them? that there is your Geyropa or America? just dust. only Russia has every right to be an empire! why, you ask? Yes, because it was Russia that has always been it! It was Russia that carried the "enslavement" by an intricate way of enlightening and improving the nation. It was Russia that always protected its allies and thanks to Russia, Georgia, as a country, still exists. Only you forget about it, in their eternal prostitution search for someone better to lie under! Remember my words, there is no rape for love. Only Russians are such fools that they do more for the "enslaved" peoples than for themselves. You won't get such a lafa anywhere else! You can't be a little pregnant! It means that when Russia was strong, you supported it with all your limbs. As soon as Russia was hit by the crisis, you immediately ran like rats. Only now you made a mistake. Russia will always be great, but Georgia will never become anything, even a state in a mattress!
    31. Neringa285
      +6
      21 January 2013 14: 33
      Sometimes you want to approach such a subject, put your arms around your shoulders. Look in the eyes and ask: How do you live without brains? what
    32. 0
      21 January 2013 14: 34
      America’s war with China is America’s last day. IMHO.
    33. StraNeek
      0
      21 January 2013 14: 46
      Everyone stubbornly repeats about the excellent S-300, 400, 500, ... complexes, about the super new Su, MiG, etc. etc. And what do these complexes work in non-stop mode? Where is our location and reconnaissance of airspace. The sky is almost bare. What is being done in terms of radar support for air defense and aviation? They are blind! And when working on radiation, the survivability of these systems is reduced by orders of magnitude ...
      1. +1
        21 January 2013 16: 14
        Anyone who answers your questions will go to prison for a long time, if not forever, under Stalin, such "storytellers" were shot.
    34. 0
      21 January 2013 14: 52
      Greetings to all, I think this situation is favorable for the Japanese lobby. They will be able to change the constitution, and will be able to rearm the army and navy with offensive weapons.
      1. Neringa285
        0
        21 January 2013 14: 57
        The Japanese army has offensive weapons, the name "Self-Defense Forces" is nothing more than declarative.
    35. +2
      21 January 2013 14: 57
      But I wonder what is the size of the Chinese diaspora in the United States?
      1. Elijah
        0
        23 January 2013 03: 14
        that's why the Chinese go to school around the world ... it's intelligence and preparation for the offensive))))
    36. stalker
      +2
      21 January 2013 14: 58
      God forbid! nuclear war on the planet, no matter who with whom, little will not seem to anyone
    37. Neringa285
      0
      21 January 2013 14: 59
      1,5% of the total US population, that is, somewhere around 4 million people. Fifth column? laughing
    38. Alex.A
      -10
      21 January 2013 15: 00
      survivor
      Why do you hate the USA?
      What did they do wrong to you?
      They were your allies in WWII, and they helped you in the WWII as well, after the liquidation of the USSR, billions of dollars were donated and saved by many Russian citizens from starvation, what do you not remember?

      Well, why do you hate Georgia?
      What have we done wrong to you? It wasn’t the Georgians who died in thousands in all the wars of the RI / USSR since the 18th century, or don’t you remember that either?

      And what have you thanked? 24 scold the Americans, curse them, support any scumbags like radical Islamists if they were against the United States, right?

      The same thing in the case of Georgia, than the Georgians were thanked? Occupied several times, the last time 18% of Georgian territory was stolen, killed several thousand civilians, supported the separatists and notorious bastards like Sh. Basayev, who incidentally turned his weapon against you, didn’t he?

      Ungratefulness is what you are sick with.
      1. +8
        21 January 2013 15: 13
        learn history and you will be happy, and all your conversations from your ignorance and propaganda.
      2. +5
        21 January 2013 15: 25
        Quote: Alex.A
        supported the separatists and notorious bastards like Sh. Basayev who, by the way, turned his weapon against you, right?

        When did Russia support Sh. Basayev? You probably messed things up. I recommend turning on the brain ...
        Basayev's head was thrown into a black cellophane garbage bag and a plywood tag "ShB" was attached. This material evidence, accompanied by a squad of machine gunners in an armored personnel carrier, was taken to Nazran, where in the evening specialists in the identification of corpses arrived from Moscow. After their conclusion, Basayev's death will become absolutely official. http://www.newsru.com/russia/11jul2006/kaput.html

      3. survivor
        +5
        21 January 2013 15: 25
        Do you want a complete analysis? Well, I have them. The United States has never been loyal to its allies. yes, they were allies in the Second World War, but ... without the help of American steel corporations there would have been no war at all, since Germany would not have had anything to rivet its equipment from. Without an infusion of capital from American banks, there would have been no idea how Gotler’s regime. The Great Patriotic War didn’t have time to die yet, and America and Britain already had plans to use captured Nazi troops in the fight against their ally! both in World War I and in World War II, America itself entered the war just before the end of it and, without suffering significant losses, it grabbed the fattest piece in the division. but not even the most important thing. the main thing is that everything that reaches the dirty paw of America, everything is just buried in blood. Do you need examples? Or look for yourself.
        as for Georgia, I am normal towards Georgians themselves. indignant only the actions of the politicians. Are you talking about occupation? I dare advise you to study the history of your people.
        1. Alex.A
          -11
          21 January 2013 16: 33
          survivor
          1. The United States did not betray its ally, the Russians should know this well, from the history of WWII.
          2.Te you blame them for the fact that they, unlike the USSR, fought not with meat but with the mind, and therefore had less losses?
          3. Have you forgotten the general parade of the units of the Wehrmacht and the Red Army in Brest in 1939?
          4.And where RI / USSR reached everywhere peace and stability triumphed?

          Most importantly, do you really think that, if anything, Islamists, China or Iran, complete with Assad and Hezbollah, can help you from the oak?
          Yes again, the Americans and the British will be asking for help as it has already been many times.
          And there is nothing surprising or shameful in this, for both they and you are part of the same Christian civilization.
          Both mentally and in culture they are closer to you than Comrade Assad with a gang, it is a pity that you do not understand this.
          1. Neringa285
            +5
            21 January 2013 16: 41
            Are there really such ignorant people so far? The US is a traitor, it was they who went into separate negotiations with Hitler, and not anyone else. They never knew how to fight - an example of this is 20 years of Vietnam. Learn history, there was no joint parade, there was observation of the withdrawal of Wehrmacht troops from Brest and its transfer to Soviet jurisdiction. You don’t need to listen to history scribes. This is harmful to health. Yes, wherever the Russian Empire and the USSR were reached peace. Hillary Clinton admitted that al-Qaeda created the United States. These idiots cultivated Islamists to attack the USSR, and got a knife in the back, for example, in Afghanistan. DON'T SWEAT A PIT TO ANOTHER - YOU GO IN IT YOURSELF !!! fool
          2. +5
            21 January 2013 17: 21
            Quote: Alex.A
            The United States did not betray its ally

            You are a poor, naive young man, you haven’t turned on your brains (it really doesn’t hurt to think). I feel sorry for you ... Remember 08.08.08, it was then that the USA betrayed you. Did a lot of the USA help Georgia (seemingly allies)?


            You can continue to grovel in front of them ...
            1. Neringa285
              +4
              21 January 2013 17: 29
              You cannot include what is not by definition .....
          3. +3
            21 January 2013 18: 27
            [quote = Alex.A] Yes again, the Americans and the British will be asking for help as it has already been many times. [/ quote]

            Clown
            Do you at least have a conscience or something ... Or is it now that they teach in Georgian schools and universities?
            Give at least one example when Russia (RI, USSR) turned to the Anglo-Saxons for help?


            [quote = Alex.A] That is, you blame them for the fact that they, unlike the USSR, fought not with meat but with the mind, and therefore had less losses? [/ quote]

            that is, you called our grandfathers meat?
            And you didn’t think that YOUR grandfather (or some other relative) was sitting next to mine in the trench, and didn’t think that his grandson would call him MEAT for spilled blood ??? no brains or conscience?

            [quote = Alex.A] What is most important, what do you really think that, if anything, Islamists, China or Iran, complete with Assad and Hezbollah, can help you from the oak? [/ quot]
            IF THAT ..... we do not need these gentlemen .... we are the Anglo-Saxons (a cowardly and deceitful nation) and so do .... And even like you in the full goodness of our ...
            We’ll give out gifts to everyone .... piz .... it’s called ...... It’s terrible how painful ..... But everyone will have enough .....
            On that stand ...
            1. Neringa285
              +1
              21 January 2013 18: 34
              volcano,
              Clown
              Do you even have a conscience or something ... Or are they taught THAT in Georgian schools and universities now? .............. This is how they are taught. Such as this individual, they blew up a monument in Kutaisi. ..these are "Mishiko's nest chicks" ..
            2. Alex.A
              -4
              21 January 2013 20: 08
              volcano
              I am sorry that you do not know how to talk humanly, but it’s a pity that you are called a person.
              1.BMV is sufficient? Or did you already forget about Lend-Lease there, and about the enormous help that the USA provided to the USSR, without which the USSR was doomed to death.
              2.Not your grandfathers (by the way, my ancestors also fought) and the tactics of warfare, see how many Red Army soldiers died, went missing or were seriously injured.
              3. However, from history it is known that always in the clashes of the West (in this case, the Anglo-Saxons) with Russia, the West won, did not it? And not once, literally not once Russia did not win.
              Neringa285
              How many of these monuments lie in ruins, absolutely untidy in deplorable conditions in the Russian Federation?
              And how many dismantled and looted?
              1. survivor
                +3
                21 January 2013 20: 26
                Alex, I am becoming more and more convinced that you are a young man and have studied history from textbooks that are being printed on you. from there it’s such a merry and absurd nonsense. It’s easy to believe that all your words, the essence of your own fabrications, is difficult.
                Do not exaggerate land lease. The USSR would have won the war without it. There would have been more victims, yes, but there would have been no collapse. Also on the second front. America and the United Kingdom opened a second front only when they realized a little more and the war would end without them. and again, the Soviet troops managed to pull most of the enemy’s forces over themselves so that the allies would not be completely exhausted.
                yes, there was a lot of blood shed by soldiers, you said it right, therefore it’s not clear to me HOW COULD YOU GO AGAINST YOUR ASSOCIATES WHOSE GRANDFATES WERE SHOULDER ON THE SHOULDER WITH ALL RESIDENTS OF THE USSR? I also don’t understand HOW HAVE YOU ALLOWED THE DESTRUCTION OF THE MEMORY OF YOUR DIED ANCESTORS?
                And about the collisions between the West and Russia, may the guys forgive me my "French", but 90% of the West was heavily sucked! that Napoleon, that the rest. even in the Crimean War, they could not really take the sparse Sevastopol (part of the city).
              2. Neringa285
                +4
                21 January 2013 20: 29
                Do you have a bullet in your head ????? fool Russia was paying for a lease-lease until recently! Nobody gave us anything for nothing !!! As for history, the only war lost between Russia and the Anglo-Saxons was the war for the Soviet legacy - the loss of the Balkans !!! Never again has Russia lost anything to these clowns !!! Do not make me nervous ... You are not just poorly educated, you are also purposeful to obstinacy. Go learn history .. and not from Soros textbooks, and even more so not from Internet links with a COM address. Yes
                1. survivor
                  +2
                  21 January 2013 20: 33
                  By the way, yes, they reminded you. The USSR paid for almost every bolt. I just forgot to mention it. feel
                  1. Neringa285
                    +2
                    21 January 2013 20: 39
                    And not just for every bolt, but for everything that the Doenitz wolf packs drowned, for everything that lies at the bottom ...
                    1. +1
                      21 January 2013 21: 58
                      And they paid with pure gold.
                2. Alex.A
                  -3
                  21 January 2013 20: 52
                  Crimean War (1853-1856)
                  Cold War (1946-1991)
                  Do you need more?

                  I would be grateful if you give reverse examples.
                  1. survivor
                    +1
                    21 January 2013 20: 55
                    World War 12 years. As an option. honestly, too lazy to dig. although ... you called the Crimean war. I also mentioned it. read my answer to you ...
                  2. Neringa285
                    +3
                    21 January 2013 21: 02
                    Your straightforwardness and ignorance AMAZING! “The one who lost is not the one who lost, but not the one who won.” - these are experts on the Crimean War !!! Campaign of 1854. Battle on the Alma River. 62 thousand allies against 33 thousand Russians. Tactical draw. Campaign of 1855. Battle of the Black River. 31 thousand Russians against 40 thousand allies. The result is a draw. The Danube campaign was carried out, although without many bright won battles, but on the whole, showing the absolute superiority of the smaller Russian troops over the Turkish ones. The Caucasian campaigns are exclusively the successes of Russian weapons. Akhaltsikh, Bashkadyklar, Cholok, Kars, Kyuryuk-Dara. These are victories over the Turkish troops, and always outnumbered Russian troops. In general, the military results of the Crimean War can not be interpreted as a defeat for Russia, the war was drawn to a draw on the battlefield, where the Russian army was never defeated. I repeat once again - NO NEED TO CLIMB ON LINKS AND LEARN HISTORY FROM SOROS'S TEXTBOOKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  3. +1
                    21 January 2013 21: 36
                    Crimean War (1853-1856)
                    Cold War (1946-1991)
                    Do you need more?

                    I would be grateful if you give reverse examples


                    It's Easy!
                    Northern War-bent Swedes
                    The Seven Years War-Prussia
                    Several victorious wars with Turkey, incited either by France, then by England, or even both.
                    Napoleon with "bi-linguistic" barely carried his legs, but not far, caught up.
                    Crimean War. Having lost Sevastopol after a year-long siege, the Russian army took so much in the Caucasus that, under the conditions of the Paris world, Russia left without territorial losses.
                    Russian-Japanese ... A strange and illogical war. But given that the Yap were financed and armed by both Germans and Anglo-Saxons from both sides of the Atlantic, and the Japanese were the first to request peace ..
                    Only because of the betrayal of the "allies" Russia was not among the victors in the First World War.
                    The interventionists piled on.
                    WWII and 2-I world. Hopefully no need to explain.
                    And the cold ... the result of betrayal, because for 300 years. It even reached the most stupid that Russia could not be taken by force.
                    And in this war it’s too early to put an end to
                    And, most importantly, Russia has never signed an act of surrender. Never. Russia has never been shared. There is no country that we could call our winner
                    1. Neringa285
                      +1
                      21 January 2013 21: 39
                      You should not take seriously this dropout ... I have the impression that he is sitting here to get the topic ... All his opuses have nothing to do with the stated theme of the war between China and Japan ....
                    2. Alex.A
                      -3
                      22 January 2013 00: 19
                      survivor
                      Neringa285
                      chehywed

                      Are you kidding or don’t know how to read?
                      Since when did the French, Swedes, Turks, etc. became Anglo-Saxons?

                      Here the conversation was about the USA and Great Britain, and so with these states when the RI / USSR did not come across, they always ended in shame and ended the war or even existed as the USSR in 1991. I gave you examples of the Crimean War and the Cold War, which resulted in the closure of a project called the USSR.
                      There are no reverse examples, for there were none.

                      From there comes the animal fear of them and hatred, for there is nothing left for you except hatred.
                      1. Neringa285
                        +1
                        22 January 2013 00: 24
                        And where did you see me writing about the Swedes? I wrote about the Crimean War just .... it seems you get hooked ... it happens .. Do not choke on the poison ...)))))) Afraid of earthworms ??? )))))))))))) I made fun ....
                        1. Alex.A
                          -2
                          22 January 2013 00: 32
                          Ie do you think Russia won the Crimean War?
                          If you really believe in this, I feel sorry for you and there’s nothing to talk about.
                          Adios comrade.
                        2. +5
                          22 January 2013 01: 27
                          Quote: Alex.A
                          Adios comrade.

                          The banner of the Gibraltar Marine Infantry Regiment, taken in battle by the defenders of Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky on September 5, 1854. It is stored in the Kamchatka United Museum of Local Lore.
                        3. +3
                          22 January 2013 01: 49
                          Carefully read the results of the war.
                        4. +2
                          22 January 2013 07: 12
                          Hmm ... the Georgians were blown away. Enough for a while. Or maybe remember how you had the Turks and Persians. That's when you had your animal fear. How they stole your people into slavery, your women were taken. And you are so proud .... so defended ... You multiplied up to three million in the shadow of Russian bayonets. It would be better if we bordered on the Turks, by golly. By the way, in that war, the Russians defeated the Caucasus by capturing the Turkish fortress of Kars. This allowed to soften the terms of the peace treaty with Western countries. And we got out of that treaty twenty years later when Prussia hacked France. At the same time, we spat on your beloved England, although they squealed. Your whole England stood opposite one redoubt in Sevastopol without taking it.
                        5. Neringa285
                          +1
                          22 January 2013 09: 46
                          Experts believe that this is so. For your understanding it’s hard to understand that there are victories worse than defeats, so the Crimean War is exactly that case !!! Habla usted espanol? I doubt however ... Adios, amigo!
                      2. +5
                        22 January 2013 01: 44
                        As it turned out from the closure of the USSR project, Russia won, almost all the republics, except Azerbaijan and Turkmenistan, turned out to be impoverished rooters, which Russia pulled at its own expense, after which Russia was instantly able to get rich and restore military power, all other republics, except the Baltic states and Ukraine, only and they fought with each other and now even the Kazakhs began to pour blood, in general, all are poor, with torn territories (Abkhazia, South Ossetia) and zero perspective. There is no fear, remember 08.08.08. The opposite example - according to the WWII, the largest state on the planet - Great Britain - was destroyed by the efforts of the USSR and remained within the borders of the British Isles, even without Ireland, which indicates that in the subsequent Cold War not only Germany and Japan, but Great Britain, superfluous word.
                        1. +4
                          22 January 2013 02: 26
                          Even in the Cold War, the destruction of the Warsaw Pact and the USSR is commensurate with the destruction of Great Britain, so that we are still even. But if Great Britain robbed all the colonies, Russia pumped loot and resources into its colonies like Georgia, so that if you look carefully, without emotion, focusing on the economic component (beloved by the Anglo-Saxons), then for Russia the destruction of the USSR (lost ballast from rooting) - it’s good, but the Britons are lost if you understand so many that it’s easy to imagine and count, and it’s hard to imagine (and control, for example over Ukraine, was returned without shedding blood, purely with gas). After the collapse of the USSR, 1/6 of the land, including Antarctica and other deserts, Russia still remained the largest state on the planet, but the British Empire owned 1/4 of the planet’s land, and after the collapse of the Kremlin, it became a snot on the map. So, while the Cold War is not in favor of the Anglo-Saxons, but we will still arrange a goat for them ...
                    3. Elijah
                      0
                      22 January 2013 21: 55
                      By force no, by cunning - yes.
                      War with the Finns for example
                      1. +2
                        22 January 2013 23: 29
                        What the ... Always read the outcome of the war:
                        All officially declared territorial claims of the USSR were satisfied.
                        The USSR gained full control over the water area of ​​Lake Ladoga and secured Murmansk, which was located near Finnish territory (Rybachy Peninsula).
                        In addition, under a peace treaty, Finland assumed the obligation to build a railway on its territory connecting the Kola Peninsula through Alakurtti with the Gulf of Bothnia (Tornio). But this road was never built.
                        On October 11, 1940, the Agreement of the USSR and Finland on the Aland Islands was signed in Moscow, according to which the USSR was entitled to place its consulate on the islands, and the archipelago was declared a demilitarized zone.
                        If the Red Army suffered losses 1,5 - 2 times more than the enemy, then this is a normal phenomenon, the advancing party always suffers more losses than the defender, the exception of Suvorov, but he is so alone in history. And if all the tasks of the advancing are fulfilled even at the cost of losses, then the war is considered to be won, period.
                        1. Elijah
                          0
                          23 January 2013 11: 38
                          it is logical that the advancing receive more losses. But when their columns (heavy equipment, etc., etc.) like children are shot by children on skis, and while they still figure out what to do they managed to get away already, it is somehow unreasonable ...
                          This is not a question of contracts. Here the question is the banality of tactics ...
                        2. +2
                          23 January 2013 17: 55
                          Well, that, as children were shot, it is far-fetched. How do you think a column of heavy equipment can shoot a biathlete? The problems in this war were not so much from the actions of the enemy, who generally fought not badly, but from the inability to organize supplies in difficult winter conditions, hence frostbite, etc. But the winner is not judged, but this victory, like the great victory in the Second World War, was liberated by the liberals with dirt and when there was nothing to say, they turned to the topic of overwhelming the enemy with corpses (which, in detail, impartial analysis, is a blatant lie) in order to discredit the system and Stalin.
                  4. +3
                    21 January 2013 22: 02
                    Quote: Alex.A
                    Crimean War (1853-1856)

                    Read the story carefully, all they could do was take the floor of the city, and then inflate it as a great victory. And all this taking into account the fact that they had predominance in artillery and troops there and attacked several countries at once.
                  5. +3
                    22 January 2013 01: 28
                    Come on, there’s nothing more to remember. I wrote to you about Krymskaya, a minor conflict, where Kars was exchanged for Sevastopol and everything, the elimination of the sailing Black Sea Fleet, it was wooden, outdated and required disposal, but it was flooded by themselves, blocking the bay. At the expense of the defeat in the Cold War, it is too early to draw conclusions, the war has not yet ended, but in fact it is just beginning. Yes, the Warsaw Pact fell, but now the EU and the US are on the verge of collapse, and Russia has retained most of the territories, including Abkhazia, military power and the economy are on the rise. In the Cold War, a new type of war, we have so far lost the battle, but, I repeat, the war is not over. It is too early to talk about the end of the war until Moscow or London with Washington is destroyed.
              3. +4
                22 January 2013 00: 54
                With the Anglo-Saxons faced directly only in the Crimean War
                http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%F0%FB%EC%F1%EA%E0%FF_%E2%EE%E9%ED%E0

                Other theaters of war except Sevastopol:

                For operations on the Baltic Sea in 1855, the Allies equipped 67 ships; in mid-May this fleet appeared in front of Kronstadt, hoping to lure the Russian fleet standing there into the sea. Without waiting for this and making sure that the fortifications of Kronstadt were strengthened and underwater mines were laid in many places, the enemy limited himself to raids of light ships on different places on the Finnish coast.

                On July 25 (August 6), the Allied fleet bombarded Sveaborg for 45 hours, but in addition to the destruction of buildings, it did almost no harm to the fortress.

                In the Caucasus, a major victory for Russia in 1855 was the capture of Kars.

                Results of the war:

                On February 13 (25), 1856, the Paris Congress began, and on March 18 (30), a peace treaty was signed.
                Russia returned the city of Kars with a fortress to the Ottomans, receiving in exchange Sevastopol, Balaklava and other Crimean cities seized from it.
                The Black Sea was declared neutral (that is, open to commercial and closed to military courts in peacetime), with the prohibition of Russia and the Ottoman Empire to have military fleets and arsenals there.
                Navigation along the Danube was declared free, for which the Russian borders were moved away from the river, and part of Russian Bessarabia with the mouth of the Danube was annexed to Moldova.
                Russia was deprived of the protectorate over Moldavia and Wallachia and the exclusive patronage of Russia over the Christian subjects of the Ottoman Empire, granted to it by the Kuchuk-Kainardzhiyskoy world 1774 year.
                Russia pledged not to erect fortifications on the Åland Islands.

                During the war, the participants in the anti-Russian coalition failed to achieve all their goals, but managed to prevent the strengthening of Russia in the Balkans and deprive it of the Black Sea Fleet.
          4. +6
            22 January 2013 01: 11
            Point by point:
            1. Russia soaked Georgia in 08.08.08, and America surrendered it.
            2. The irretrievable losses of the Wehrmacht and their allies (almost all of Europe) are higher than the losses of the spacecraft; the main losses of the USSR are civilians.
            3. In general, it is not worth attention, some kind of review of troops inflated by liberals.
            4. We will not be hypocrites, the Empire means to wet weaklings (like Georgia)

            At the expense of the Islamists, Chinese and Iranians, for our strategic forces they are pot-bellied little things.
            Help ask the Anglo-Saxons? Why and from whom? In the world now, one hegemon is the United States, but the only one who can erase it is Russia. Angdo-Saxons are not Christians, Satanists rule them.
      4. garik404
        +9
        21 January 2013 16: 02
        Alex.A, why do you love the USA so much ???
        My parents have many reasons to hate the United States with its fucking democracy after the events of 1991, I personally have these reasons appeared after 2004 ...
        I hate the states with their jackal flock.
        Thank God our pimply orange beekeeper-democrat has already gone into oblivion.
        1. Elijah
          0
          23 January 2013 03: 29
          But damn shameful prisoner - no better ... with each president we are getting worse ... recourse
          otherwise I agree with everything Yes
      5. +6
        21 January 2013 16: 22
        To clarify, we do not hate the United States, but the Anglo-Saxons (the United States, only with Britain) and in this regard I will tell you what they did to us.
        Actually, both world wars were initiated by the Anglo-Saxons, the revolution was financed by the Anglo-Saxons, the Intervention was completely the brainchild of the Anglo-Saxons, they did not save anyone, they only killed, killed and killed.
        Nobody hates Georgia, one must be more modest, what for you do not need anyone, 08 08 08 they didn’t even capture you.
        There is nothing to thank the Americans for (you may have your own opinion - tell us what they did good for us), radical Islamism is completely the brainchild of Americans, they support "any scumbags" - Chechnya, Libya, Syria, etc., the list is long.
        1. Neringa285
          +3
          21 January 2013 16: 31
          We do not hate, but despise for meanness and hypocrisy. By the way, the first concentration camps were invented by the Anglo-Saxons during the Boer Wars, this is not our invention, as suggested. And their policy since the time of Lord Pete is a compilation of lies and betrayal ...
      6. +2
        21 January 2013 21: 53
        Alex.A,
        Quote: Alex.A
        After the liquidation of the USSR, billions of dollars were donated and saved by many citizens of the Russian Federation


        They didn’t give us billions, but lent them with their products nowhere else needed. That is, they raised their producer at the expense of us, and we returned all the money to them a penny. And in general, they did not give their money, but to the international community of the IMF. That is, it turns out they were giving us cheap, low-quality food for other people's money, simultaneously raising their GDP and killing our producers who were unable to compete with them, because we had environmentally-friendly products, which means expensive. Thank God we understood everything and figured it out and now having given all our debts we are restoring production.
    39. toguns
      0
      21 January 2013 15: 02
      to fight ???
      China vs USA ???
      but they need it, if it is essentially a single economic system.
      exchange notes of protest and end there.
      1. 0
        21 January 2013 17: 01
        toguns Today,
        to fight ???
        China vs USA ???
        but they need it, if it is essentially a single economic system.
        -------------------------------------------------- -
        You are right - the system is one, but the components are different, and competing with each other for world leadership, and then - and domination.
        Nobody needs a hot war, especially the USA. BUT...
        ... the struggle of opposites of interests: China as the world leader for the United States is absolutely not acceptable.
        If you recall the story, then (from the memoirs of the diplomats) there were no serious reasons for unleashing 1 World.
        And it happened.
        It remains to hope that the American bosses, realizing that war can become nuclear, from which no one and nowhere will be saved, limit themselves to their favorite way - an attempt to destroy a competitor by infecting him with some kind of democracy, and China, having received Tian'ann immunity, will end up.
        1. 0
          21 January 2013 17: 10
          Quote: kosopuz
          there were no serious reasons for unleashing World War I, but it did.

          There were no reasons, but the reasons were VERY weighty.
          1. Neringa285
            0
            21 January 2013 17: 15
            They found a reason - the murder of Archduke Gavrilo by the Principle ... by the way, everything is not clean there ... The White Hand (a secret Serbian terrorist-nationalist organization that fought against the similar organization "Black Hand" and Austria-Hungary.) Was created and held with murky funds.
    40. Neringa285
      0
      21 January 2013 16: 00
      And why no one takes into account the DPRK army?)))) A million one hundred sixty thousand people .. and this is an approximate figure ... Training, moral component, morale ... The USA has something to be afraid of ...))))) )
    41. +2
      21 January 2013 16: 29
      Georgia - my father was born in Abkhazia, I know about this conflict as they say in the first person. The Georgian army was set a simple task - to establish control, but they went like the Germans to Moscow - they shot, killed, no one was going to fight, but they had to. You yourself, from your stupidity, harm yourself and no one except you is to blame for this, ask your leaders why such an ass happened.
    42. survivor
      0
      21 January 2013 16: 31
      in the history of China, there is not a single won war, apart from local conflicts and the introduction of contingents to other countries. the great country could not cope with small Japan. In 1904 Russia also lost the war to Japan, but this is not Russia's fault, but the corruption and "talent" of the generals. China, with a huge territory, could not throw off the occupation without the help of the USSR.
    43. +1
      21 January 2013 16: 33
      Quote: Alex.A
      It wasn’t the Georgians who died in thousands in all the wars of the RI / USSR since the 18th century, or don’t you remember that either?

      We remember that you forgot it, betrayed your ancestors, got freedom to trade it, rushed to sell it to the west, and because you won easily, without a fight.
    44. 0
      21 January 2013 17: 10
      The Americans have acquired a large and extensive hernia. The Chinese do not remember anything - they write everything down (the first written sources - 3 thousand years BC)
      1. -1
        21 January 2013 17: 15
        Have you seen these "written sources"? The most "ancient" writing - European - 9-10th century AD, everything else is a copy of the originals that have not come down to us.
        1. Neringa285
          0
          21 January 2013 17: 20
          Oh my god ... what are you saying ????????????????????? fool And the Rosetta stone with Egyptian hieroglyphs ??????? And a lot of other written sources !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          1. 0
            21 January 2013 17: 26
            "A lot of other sources" is an indefinite concept, more specifically, please.
            Rosetta stone was found in 1799, there is no evidence of its antiquity.
            1. Neringa285
              0
              21 January 2013 17: 39
              And the writing on it ??????? On the stone, 14 hieroglyphic lines, 32 demotic lines and 54 lines in Greek are knocked out. They represent a parallel multilingual inscription - a copy of the decree of the Memphis priests in honor of the coronation of the pharaoh Ptolemy V Epiphanes (205-180 BC), which was knocked out in 196 BC.
              The first known text scholar, Englishman Thomas Young, by 1818 deciphered 204 demotic words and 13 hieroglyphs, stopping further research. On September 27, 1822, François Champollion introduced Lettre a M. Dacier, in which he published his first guesses for reading hieroglyphic writing. He used the idea of ​​Jean-Jacques Barthelemy of 1761 that hieroglyphs in an oval frame (the so-called "cartouches") denote the names of kings or pharaohs. Champolion read the names of Ramses and Thutmose on the Rosetta stone, guessing the syllabic character of the hieroglyphic notation .......................... Do not write me more .... I not interested.
              1. 0
                21 January 2013 17: 49
                I’m not only answering you, so sorry. I’ll pay attention to how successfully he was found, how often was this in history? Public propaganda is available to everyone, you want to say that everyone here is so stupid that they can’t use Google, you alone are such a light of education.
                If you are not interested why the question was raised? Would be silent, wrote to your questions.
                1. Neringa285
                  +1
                  21 January 2013 18: 00
                  I said exactly what I wanted to say. No need to put your own meaning in my words. If I’m interested, then before entering into the discussion, I study the material or, at least, get acquainted with the material .... I advise you to do the same ... It does not matter how successfully it was found, the fact of decoding of the written language is present and documented . About the Chinese written sources, I threw you a link ... you will find the rest yourself if you are interested in this question.
            2. Neringa285
              0
              21 January 2013 17: 51
              http://sch714-china.narod.ru/index2.htm...........это специально для Вас..читайте.
              1. +1
                21 January 2013 18: 02
                Now there is no time, it’s time for work, I’ll get acquainted tomorrow.
                1. Neringa285
                  0
                  21 January 2013 18: 03
                  Good))))
                  1. 0
                    22 January 2013 14: 53
                    So "Yin oracle", it is said that it was discovered, but I was unable to find out the date of discovery, there is no reason to consider them older than the date of the actual discovery. Delee quote ------ "Traditional historiography dates it to 1766-1122 BC, the oracular inscriptions, as already mentioned, refer to the last two centuries of this period." ----- what is historiography - roughly speaking, a group of historians gathered and agreed, and let's date these letters to the 12-13th century BC, with the same success they could have sent them both a million and a billion years into antiquity , the paper will endure everything.
                    Here the important question is HOW historians have come to certain conclusions, the methods of historians are striking in their unscience.
    45. +1
      21 January 2013 17: 11
      [There are also Russian S-300 systems at the base, which provide perhaps the best defense against missiles in the whole world. The S-300s are comparable, the author writes, with Patriot air defense systems of American production, those that were recently sent to Turkey on the "first line of the Syrian defense."
      Just forgot to add that the S-300 is an order of magnitude better than Patriot
    46. +2
      21 January 2013 17: 26
      I believe that we should support the Chinese comrades in the fight against US aggression and their Asian minions (Japan)
    47. 5aa1
      +1
      21 January 2013 18: 43
      the opinion of the average Russian, like me, about this whole sandbox
      this is a very hot topic. the war itself is more than a hot topic. it is a means of undermining the economy, morale, and finally eliminating competitors. within the framework of a reasonable, pure view, we can see a rather amusing trend: wherever NATO and US troops invade, this is all "for the sake of world peace and peace only for peace." as already noted in the most curious article, it must be admitted, the USA acts not as a white liberator from all black (pun, not racism, God forbid), but as a real vile oppressor! and who has the right to oppose the United States? we all know about such a concept as the US debt, which they will never pay off. we know how strong their dollar is. in the color of bright colors, they also strengthen missile defense: in the navy, in Europe as a whole, which acts as a US puppet, although I am more than sure that half of Europe does not want to get involved in a war against Russia and its allies, just economic dependence on the United States for in general and the dollar in particular does not even allow "grunt". and propaganda in Europe against the United States (DOES IT AT ALL EXIST ?!) is a mythical concept. thus, they educate generations of Europeans who believe in the purity of US intentions and the threat from the East. this is unfortunate.

      need influence from within, undermining US interests
      if we have external counter-intelligence in the proper manner, then, with regards to missile defense, we should, in my opinion, support the mass protests of the population, reinforce and finance them, postpone the time, that date, that date when all of Europe will be in combat-ready missile defense. you need to quietly entice allies from NATO, moreover, weighty ones, like France or Germany (we can hold everyone by the neck as long as we have oil and gas, only sometimes we need to take a tighter grip), keep in touch with them, not give them openly help the United States. conclude a number of agreements with China, thereby spitting in the face of the US, stunned by the "impudence" of Russia: up to a nuclear strike towards the West, for example, if a nasty US nuclear warhead falls on China's territory, we send them a couple and vice versa. a kind of security guarantor in our modern world. the US economy, on occasion, can collapse (don't laugh now). if the countries of the CIS + China + India act as a single whole, then anything can be done: up to the abandonment of the dollar, categorical demands for the payment of the US debt. here's another interesting thing, who knows, answer: as far as I know, from the 60s - 70s the CIA developed plans for the internal destruction of the USSR (they succeeded, the collapse of the Great Power, undermining moral foundations) and implemented them. Have we ever developed such plans? I think they wouldn’t hurt right now. their embodiment, so to speak.
      1. ansimov
        0
        21 January 2013 21: 03
        Great idea.
        But I didn’t understand about nuclear strikes. If someone starts a nuclear war (and this will not be 95%) then this will be a massive blow, and not just one country. The attacking country will need to destroy everything and everything.
        And so this is only a guarantee of security.
      2. Tagir-abzi
        -1
        22 January 2013 18: 15
        You are right on 100 we can not turn away from the fraternal people of China
        1. Elijah
          0
          22 January 2013 21: 56
          The narrow-eyed is not our brother. Some have already arrived at the beginning of the 13th century ....
    48. Neringa285
      +2
      21 January 2013 19: 35
      In the mid-90s, Oleg Pavlovsky published a large analytical study in the Kommersant-Vlast magazine, in which he very convincingly proved that the United States will face the worst of the collapse scenarios, the collapse of the USSR is child's play compared to the catastrophic scenario for the United States. And the costs for this on our part are none ... their own contradictions and the economic crisis will destroy them.
    49. +4
      21 January 2013 21: 21
      Original: Japan climbs into battle against a nuclear power and has territories
      Other claims to two nuclear countries, Russia and North Korea.
      analyst, you need a psychiatrist.
      1. Misantrop
        +1
        22 January 2013 00: 39
        Quote: albert
        There is no need
        analyst, you need a psychiatrist.

        Or a serious geologist. Maybe there the near geological forecast is such that they especially have nothing to lose and nothing? They want to have a last time? winked
      2. +3
        22 January 2013 01: 54
        Kamikaze and gadzilla syndrome.
    50. Troitsky
      -1
      22 January 2013 00: 34
      It is better to let America overwhelm China, because America weakened by the war will be easier to finish than one and a half billion China.
      Although it is not known what population he will have after such a mess
    51. Misantrop
      +1
      22 January 2013 00: 37
      Quote: Trinity
      It's better to let America take over China

      What the hell, half a billion refugees from the war zone will not be supported by any budget winked
    52. fenix57
      +1
      22 January 2013 02: 29
      Quote: Sarus
      China doesn’t even have to fight ...
      Just politely ask for the payment of US government bonds that they have ..

      So the United States itself will not intervene, as always, it will “provide assistance” to Japan.
    53. +1
      22 January 2013 02: 52
      Quote: vorobey
      Neither China nor the USA can afford such a luxury while Russia is on the bench.

      That's what I think too. There will be nothing. Most likely, everything will die down after the first meeting behind closed doors between Putin and Abo, at some kind of summit.
      The US understands that behind the Chinese dragon is a Russian bear.
      Although, what if, what if there is Japan, dancing to the tune of the United States and provoking China in every possible way. So that after the first downed F-15 or sunk of a Japanese warship, raise hysteria in the UN Security Council, give the go-ahead to SMRAD to persecute China as an “aggressor” and impose economic sanctions. During which the United States will bargain with China as the “winner” for debt write-off, etc.
      And again, Russia and Putin interfere with them.
      The “white ribbon” revolution failed, money poured into the Novalno-Nemtsovs, and the result was a failure. Perhaps at this time in the USA they are training a fresh group of “revolutionaries”, taking into account mistakes and mistakes.
      1. +1
        22 January 2013 03: 50
        They had Navalny,
        but the result is a failure
      2. Tagir-abzi
        0
        22 January 2013 18: 02
        Why stay away! Russia needs to take everything into account, otherwise we, too, following our friends the Chinese, will have to prepare for war. We need to put pressure on American society and open people's eyes that America is an evil policy!
    54. +1
      22 January 2013 09: 53
      “Our generation is stupid. Only a few know what war really is. Ask the old people, they will tell you, “If only there was no war.” And here we are making bets. Do you even understand that these are bets on people’s lives? Real, living ones people. Most of them think about how to make money, feed their family, how to raise children. They are just like us. Put yourself in their place. Would you like to bet on you with value - who will kill whom first? And with Syria, people (at least on this site) they behave like demons. They also call for soldiers, our guys to be sent there. They are not gladiators! So, will you stand on a par with these guys? Now they will start branding me a naive pacifist, but I urge you to come to your senses ! Don't call for war, be peacemakers"

      In a history lesson at the university, we were given the following example: when, when planning a battle, the Roman commander proposed throwing 2 cohorts to the mercy (a diversionary maneuver) and striking from the rear with the main forces. To which the superior officer asked - would you like to go along with those 2 cohorts? (I don’t remember exactly what period of the history of the Roman Empire we are talking about, but the meaning was something like this...)
    55. 0
      22 January 2013 10: 25
      It seems to me that after a more or less serious conflict, Japan will cease to exist as a state... the area is too small, even for non-nuclear weapons...
      1. Dima67
        +1
        22 January 2013 15: 56
        You all forget about lemongrass. These people on their islands hate Russia to the point of animal colic.
    56. Algor73
      0
      22 January 2013 16: 57
      One thing is clear - a third world war cannot be avoided. But when it will happen - this year or later - is a matter of time. And it will start in Asia. China can no longer fit into the framework in which it resides - both geographical and political.
      1. 0
        22 January 2013 17: 15
        About China - this is all nonsense, only a third of China is densely populated, the rest is rocky mountains and waterless deserts. China does not need mountains, not deserts, and not the polar lands of Russia, they need tropical lands rich in water, such as Vietnam, the Philippines, but such lands are already densely populated.
        1. Neringa285
          0
          22 January 2013 20: 50
          I don’t agree, China needs rocky mountains with mineral deposits and waterless deserts with layers of oil and gas... and Russia also needs the polar regions, but as difficult-to-cultivate territories, they are considered last.)))
    57. Tagir-abzi
      0
      22 January 2013 17: 51
      To fellow Chinese!!! carpet road to America.
      1. 0
        22 January 2013 20: 25
        They would love to populate the Mississippi basin.
    58. asf32rwesdf
      -2
      23 January 2013 00: 27
      The Ministry of Internal Affairs database of all citizens of the Russian Federation, Ukraine and other CIS countries is on this site and the main thing was done, it seems, to search for lost relatives, but here is all the information about each of us: correspondence with friends, addresses, phone numbers, places of work, and what’s worst is even my nude photos (though I don’t know where from...). In general, I was very scared - but there is such a function as “hide data”, of course I used it and I advise everyone not to hesitate, you never know
    59. skiamakia
      -1
      23 January 2013 02: 39
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