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Information war against Syria continues

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Information war against Syria continuesSo, the United States got into a very uncomfortable situation - their looseners, the “rebels,” committed a horrendous attack at the University of Aleppo, killing about a hundred people. They understood that elementary diplomacy required condemning this barbarism. But how to punish your favorite child? And the US State Department with the help of obedient, controlled media found a way out that was incredible in its cynicism. The Syrian state itself was accused of organizing a terrible terrorist act. Victoria Nuland fakely portrayed grief and anger, changing the places of a criminal and a victim, terrorists and those who fight them.


However, students in Aleppo know who made this monstrous crime. They know that a few days before the terrorist attack, the so-called “opposition” threatened students, demanding that they boycott their studies at the university. However, young people wanted to continue their studies, and not to run with machine guns, shouting pseudo-revolutionary slogans. For this they paid. The Faculty of Architecture was particularly hard hit - he immediately lost 20 people. The terrorists and their bosses know how necessary these specialists in the country can become - after all, after their destructive actions, too much needs to be restored now - and houses, schools, hospitals, and ancient monuments ...

And the cynical Madame Victoria Nuland still has enough audacity to turn the tongue and accuse the Syrian state of allegedly killing its own future specialists?

The Russian Foreign Ministry expressed deep condolences to the relatives of the victims and said: “We condemn in the most decisive way the next massacre of innocent people in Syria. We believe that an equally uncompromising position regarding terrorism is claimed by the entire international community. There is no excuse for such actions.

We especially note that this attack of terrorists took place in a situation where normal life gradually began to recover in most areas of Aleppo. There is - a ruthless bloody provocation, the revenge of terrorists for the significant losses they suffered in the confrontation with the government forces. "

Finally, in the statement of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation the accents are correctly placed and terrorism is directly called terrorism. It is a pity that in order for the terrorists to be called by their real name, and not by the “opposition”, such a bloody sacrifice was required.

At a time when the US State Department attempted to blame the incident on Syria itself, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov was in Dushanbe on an official visit. He strongly condemned the statements of the US Department of State and said that it was difficult to imagine even greater blasphemy.
The next step should be the condemnation of the attack by the UN Security Council. The Syrian MFA sent a corresponding message to the UN Security Council and the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon.

The latter fairly regularly condemned the terrorist attack and even called it a war crime, which, in general, is true. The problem is, what conclusions should be expected from the UN Secretary General, who shortly before the terrorist attack in Aleppo, on January 12, speaking in one of the New York synagogues, said: "60 thousands of people died in the conflict, rooted in the peaceful demands of the people to give it more of freedom. There will be no amnesty for the guilty. "

Instead of seeing where the legs of terrorism grow from, Ban Ki-moon justified the so-called “opposition”, saying that she only wanted “more freedom”. Now that everyone in Syria has already “eaten enough” of this false “freedom”, the UN Secretary General wants to bring even more “freedom” on the wings of NATO planes to Syria, stating: “States should protect citizens from ethnic cleansing and mass murder, but that’s what does not occur in the Middle East. " How does he propose to protect citizens from massacres if he accuses the wrong side in advance? If he justifies those who arranged all this in advance, they say, poor fellows, just “wanted more freedom” and prefer not to see who the conflict is rooted in the wrong place, that it is kindled from the outside?

Will a terrible terrorist act in Aleppo Ban Ki-Moon reconsider its mistaken position, will it arouse conscience in it?

Something of conscience in the West is not enough, and at the initiative of Switzerland, around 60 countries sent another request to the UN - to bring the Syrian leadership to the so-called “International Criminal Court”. Not for the first time, these Euro-people happen to threaten the recalcitrant leaders with the Hague Judgment. If a leader cannot be put on his knees, they begin to prepare a chamber in a northern European gloomy city. But for some reason they are not in a hurry to bring to justice a terrorist pseudo-opposition, killing, robbing, creating pogroms, forcing people to become refugees.

And while students of all universities in Syria light candles in memory of fallen comrades, when in the world, including in Moscow, actions of their memory take place and caring people carry flowers to the buildings of the Syrian embassies, when the Foreign Ministry of Iran, Lebanon, Venezuela , Brazil and other countries express their condolences to the SAR, while the Syrian President orders to restore everything that was destroyed as soon as possible - a fierce information war against Syria is accompanied by new terrorist attacks.

The very next day, January 16, in the town of Idleb, near the Turkish border, another bloody and brutal crime was committed. A suicide bomber blew up a mined car in the street. 22 man died, more than 30 injured.

It should be mentioned that two days before this terrorist attack, a major anti-terrorist demonstration took place in Idleb. People took to the street with the national flags of Syria and anti-terrorism slogans. In conditions of Idleb, this is a real heroism - as there are quite a lot of militants leaking from the Turkish border in the vicinity of the city. In addition, the terrorists believed that they had great support in Idleba. But the citizens of the city, like the residents of Aleppo, also spoke out against the terrorist activities that had bothered them and undermined the foundations of their peaceful life. That gangsters and committed an act of retribution to drown out the voice of the people.

The Syrian Foreign Ministry also sent information about the attack to the UN Security Council and the UN Secretary General. But, if even about the terrible act of terrorism in Aleppo, where so many people died, some countries - members of the Security Council start to shamelessly play on, what to expect from them about another crime? For them, it is more crime, less crime ...

In parallel with the terrorist war, slander against the Syrian army and Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad continues. With the filing of the Saudi newspaper Al-Watan, the following misinformation began to “walk” in the media - as if President Al-Asad had received information from his generals that an attempt was possible on his life using high-precision missiles, and gave the order in the event of his death to bomb Israel (oh, the favorite topic of disinformers!). And he himself, allegedly, moved onto a Russian ship in the Mediterranean Sea and leaves it with the help of a personal helicopter only in extreme cases. And he himself is preparing, if the situation worsens, to sail on this ship to Russia.

It’s hard to think more than that, because everyone knows that Damascus is far from the Mediterranean Sea, and even a boat, not to mention a ship, doesn’t sail along the river that flows through the city. The ports of the Mediterranean, where Russian or Syrian ships can stand, are located almost 300 kilometers from the Syrian capital. And to fly this distance, overcoming half of Syria, in conditions when the rebels have MANPADS? Truly, the Saudis and those who hastened to pick up their misinformation, a rich imagination.

And most importantly, the President never thought of leaving his Fatherland. Last November, he said very clearly and unequivocally that he was born in Syria and will die in his homeland. Only the masters will not understand this, and that’s what they fantasize about.

And the president appeared on TV screens, in his own office in Damascus, in the very one where he had hospitably met many Syrians and foreign politicians long before the anti-Syrian conspiracy. This time he took the oath of office from the newly appointed governors of the provinces of Deir ez-Zor and Idleb. This fact completely refuted the monstrous lies spread by the media, which for some reason, unlike the truth, rapidly spread around the world ...

This is not the only lie that so rapidly ran through the world media. In one of the previous articles I had to write that some Arab media spread “information” that the state of health of the UAR Minister of Internal Affairs Muhammad Al-Shaar, who was wounded during the terrorist attack in the building of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, worsened greatly, which was not true. The media went on and hurried to report his death. However, the same day the minister appeared on the screens of Syrian TV. His hand was bandaged, but he invoked Syrians to help the Army and Armed Forces in a cheerful voice and said that restoring stability in the country and the political process is impossible without combating terrorism, which has no religion or moral, but is aimed against the whole country.

Even such a joyous event as the liberation of Iranian pilgrims by 48, who were captured six months ago by the bandits, and that was not without misinformation - rumors appeared that Syria had exchanged them for more than 2 thousands of militants! The Ministry of Information of the SAR categorically refuted these speculations and reported that Syria does not make such compromises with terrorists, this is contrary to the principles of the state. The hostages were freed by the efforts of the valiant Syrian Arab army.

Information war against Syria manifested itself even in such an episode as the creation of a computer game on this topic. This game was created in Britain, and you can play it only on one side. Do I have to say which one? Of course, on the one that commits acts of terrorism, but at the same time they make “innocent freedom fighters” out of it. Only here the reality is not a computer game, and terrorism will be crushed.
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  1. older
    older 19 January 2013 09: 34
    15
    In its significance, the information war is even more important than the real one ... It is the information that makes it possible for the military to take everything that is needed and as much as it needs in the native budget ... And the Syrian example is also Goebels' correctness. In order to believe in a lie, it must be monstrous ... A terrorist attack at the university showed this ... The West will do everything to denigrate the Syrian government
    1. YARY
      YARY 19 January 2013 10: 20
      20
      SEE THE ROOT

      All evil from one nest - as long as this nest does not destroy evil, it will multiply and poison the world!


      Lena is a clever respect for her work, and an honor for her views.
      1. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 19 January 2013 15: 56
        +8
        Quote: Ardent
        RISE IN THE ROOT All evil from one nest - as long as this nest does not destroy evil, it will multiply and poison the world!


        + million to your comment.
        You are absolutely right and the name of this evil is impudent Saxons. As long as this aspen nest exists, there will be no peace for anyone.
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 20 January 2013 07: 45
        -1
        Until the last Zionist Zionist is killed, evil will triumph !! Death to the Yid Zionists!
    2. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 19 January 2013 12: 18
      +9
      Quote: older
      In its significance, the information war is even more important than the real one ... It is the information that makes it possible for the military to take everything that is needed and as much as it needs in the native budget ... And the Syrian example is also Goebels' correctness. In order to believe in a lie, it must be monstrous ... A terrorist attack at the university showed this ... The West will do everything to denigrate the Syrian government

      I do not agree with this opinion. The information war is a means of reconnaissance and should be conducted very carefully. The methods by which it is conducted against Syria show only the help of modern fascists. Goebels became obsolete 75 years ago, he could not realize his ideas against the USSR, his successors are not capable of influencing something even today.

      All cannibalistic information hype hits its initiators hardest. Remember what ratings Al-Jazeera had just 2 years ago? Qatar swelled tens of billions of dollars into this channel. All exhaust fell on Libya, and there it choked. Today, someone remembers this channel or quotes it? No. Someone today takes seriously the information of the BBC or CNN? I am not talking about the Arab media at all. These structures have put on themselves a black mark that cannot be washed away and today have lost even the function of propaganda, not to mention the informational influence.

      What is striking and in a sense even pleasing is that the initiators of all this obscurantism have become so stiff that they cannot recognize these changes and continue to press the same buttons that no longer work, only aggravating their situation. The fact that they are trying to legitimize their lies using the "queens" of world opinion in the image of the UN secretary general does not so much damage the image of the UN as the position of Western countries in the UN. This will only lead to the inclusion of a number of developing countries in the Security Council as a counterweight to the "Western gang."

      Moreover, such a clear lie consolidates the "undecided" on the side of the truth. Even if they don't talk about this openly, even the US colonies are looking for any opportunity to leave the camp of losers.

      Unfortunately, such a rapid differentiation of people and peoples into "friends and foes" sharply increases the likelihood of a world war, most likely the last in the current evolutionary model of mankind.
      1. Botanologist
        Botanologist 19 January 2013 15: 14
        +2
        In the case of Syria, the information war is more than compensated by our warships. And while they stand - Ban Ki-moon can worry about the bandits as much as they like.
        1. Sergh
          Sergh 19 January 2013 17: 39
          +1
          The hostages were released through the efforts of the gallant Syrian Arab army.

          This changes the subject.
          If you fall into a stupor and you start to slow down, it seems like you don’t change the Old situation, but continue the ancient blast, then people quickly enough begin to realize that we’re being persecuted. The stripes already lack flexibility.
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 19 January 2013 19: 30
            +1
            Quote: Sergh
            Terrorists and their bosses know how necessary these experts can become in the country - after all, after their destructive actions, too much needs to be restored now - residential buildings, schools, hospitals, and ancient monuments ...

            Yes, there is a lot of reconstruction work to be done in a country that is fighting a scoundrel from the Middle East and Western mercenaries. They are not sorry neither the people, nor even their original culture and history. Yankees go home!
            1. 755962
              755962 19 January 2013 20: 07
              +3


              Hearingyes hear .....
              Seeryes see ....
          2. alexng
            alexng 20 January 2013 15: 19
            +2
            Quote: Sergh
            The stripes already lack flexibility.


            They do not have enough brains and conscience is completely absent. Oh, it would be faster if the mattresses were dead and the world would calmly breathe deeply.
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 19 January 2013 21: 03
      +5
      Three days of the assault

    4. Quiet
      Quiet 20 January 2013 11: 07
      +4
      UN Secretary General wants to bring more “freedom” to Syria

      Why did this "vegetable" not find out whether the Syrians need "even more freedom" ??? fool As a result, with his statement, he once again discredited the UN! Although by and large as a UN organization, it has long turned into an American simple @ tutu. A recent example is 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX. sad
    5. imguskov
      imguskov 25 January 2013 05: 40
      +1
      And the worst thing is that Russia is bombarded with the same false information, today people no longer eat everything and check information on other channels before swallowing. And in our conditions it is important to trust the Russian government so that a person does not dash in the midst of information abundance, but unfortunately the Russian government also does not shine with truthfulness, which is caused by the lack of public confidence in official media channels. Trust is restored by honesty and truthfulness, but too often the rulers led by the nose, and therefore the population had doubts about the veracity of the information.
  2. Zhenya
    Zhenya 19 January 2013 09: 39
    +7
    Syria is holding on, and the US is already grinding its teeth that the whole world hears.
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 19 January 2013 17: 46
      +4
      Quote: Marrying
      and the US is already grinding its teeth that the whole world hears.

      There is an opinion that Russia can supply arms and ammunition to Syria quite adequately for the next two years, there is a preliminary conversation, Even under the latest contracts, in the technical progress of the nomenclature, there are more of the latest products in the field of Russian weapons (just guess) than just tanks and armored personnel carriers, etc. .. Although, the terms are much vague, because the region is a priority, two years is just an excuse or a compromise.
  3. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 19 January 2013 09: 40
    19
    I was especially amused by the phrase about the conscience of PanGe Moon, how something that is not can wake up, this "person" does not have a conscience, and frankly, he also has not a lot of brains. And his position is not mistaken, it is quite naturally indicative, a trained monkey in the service of the US State Department
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 19 January 2013 10: 20
      +2
      Quote: vladsolo56
      I was especially amused by the phrase about the conscience of PanGe Moon, how something that is not can wake up, this "person" does not have a conscience, and frankly, he also has not a lot of brains. And his position is not mistaken, it is quite naturally indicative, a trained monkey in the service of the US State Department

      In fact, the entire UN is already dancing to the tune of the "progressive" community, what can we expect from a Korean clerk on the State Department's salary?
      1. wax
        wax 19 January 2013 21: 04
        +2
        Do not simplify. The UN Security Council has the principle of unanimity (veto power), which Stalin stood at the time. This principle allows the UN to continue to function.
    2. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 19 January 2013 12: 22
      +3
      Quote: vladsolo56
      I was especially amused by the phrase about the conscience of PanGe Moon, how something that is not can wake up, this "person" does not have a conscience, and frankly, he also has not a lot of brains. And his position is not mistaken, it is quite naturally indicative, a trained monkey in the service of the US State Department

      This geek was appointed when the United States was totalitarianism in the United States. Since then, dramatic changes have occurred, I hope the rebirth of the UN will lead to the emergence of a truly worthy person who will defend the interests of true humanism.
    3. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 19 January 2013 14: 30
      +3
      There is a word in English for conscience. But it is practically not used. They have brains, just an outdated version - they do not understand that the shelf life of this entire "information war" has already expired. The crystal dream of all these guys is that we finally "evaluate the effectiveness of information wars." Because until now Russia has suffered from vile lies, but with its help it has not attacked anyone. And therefore we are the fulcrum, the place and the people on whom one can hope.
      By this we inexpressibly interfere with all these "information warriors". Because against the background of the truth, their disgusting kunshtuk is more and more visible. So such articles will appear more and more often. Their super task is to smear us in their abomination. Get them to use tricks. Then they will win, because right now the statement “EVERYONE is lying, cheating and ripping his own profit out of his throat” is wrong. Not all. GDP will do as it said. And this devalues ​​all their "victories", in their true light they are waste and only, even if they ride on Porshak. So they loaded their shit cannons, began to fire at us with articles for their usual "creation of public opinion." To put pressure on the authorities - they say, let's get involved! Why are we not yet in the ranks of nasty liars, it’s so profitable! So fashionable! So modern! Ugh...
    4. Sandov
      Sandov 19 January 2013 19: 33
      +1
      vladsolo56,
      Well dude on a warm place, a goy is chewing. And the rest of the world is on his drum. Here is an example of Western mentality.
    5. Stamp
      Stamp 21 January 2013 02: 56
      +2
      Quote: vladsolo56
      I was especially amused by the phrase about PanGe Moon’s conscience. trained monkey in the service of the US State Department

      Business and only business. The United States, according to the formula based on the GDP of each state and per capita income, accounts for 22 percent of expenses in the UN budget, or about $ 582 million. In addition, the UN headquarters is located in New York. Look at how much Russia contributes to the UN budget, everything will immediately become clear to whose tune it is dancing. Conscience has nothing to do with it.
  4. Professor
    Professor 19 January 2013 09: 45
    -9
    The ports of the Mediterranean Sea, where Russian or Syrian ships can stand, are located almost 300 kilometers from the Syrian capital. And fly this distance, overcoming half of Syria, in conditions when the rebels have MANPADS? Verily, the Saudis and those who hastened to pick up their misinformation have rich imagination.

    Tell Assad personally from me that no MANPADS can be reached to his side 1 (Mi-8) because the flight altitude of the Mi-8 is much greater than the height of the MANPADS destruction. wink The rebels are not able to use more serious air defense. By the way 300 km for Mi-8 is not a distance.

    PS
    By the way, flying from Damascus to the Mediterranean coast is only 85 km through Lebanon or 115 km over Syrian territory and certainly not 300!
    1. 77bor1973
      77bor1973 19 January 2013 10: 26
      +4
      And you all expect him to do this, do not wait, because it could have been done before, but now it’s pointless.
      1. Professor
        Professor 19 January 2013 10: 39
        38 th
        Of course it’s pointless; he went too far. He will end up like the rest of local dictators like Saddam or Muammar.
        1. Sasha
          Sasha 19 January 2013 11: 38
          +8
          He will end up like the rest of local dictators like Saddam or Muammar.

          It seems to me that Russia does not then support Assad in order to ultimately merge him and leave Syria with shame.
        2. tolan777
          tolan777 19 January 2013 11: 45
          10
          Pray that this does not happen - or are you few suicide bombings in Israel? You may suffer from one of them over time - if you are a country. supplying these suicide bombers will become more.

          By the way, how would you comment on the presence of Israeli-made LOU grenade launchers in the opposition? Is Israel putting up its newest weapons for free sale, or unable to control them? Or handed it over to the bandits "NO FUTURE"? )
          1. Professor
            Professor 19 January 2013 12: 41
            -5
            Suicide bombers are a separate story, but experience shows that you can fight them. For them, even the 3-meter fence is not an insurmountable obstacle. The problem is when the citizens of your country put on a suicide belt - here you can’t fence yourself off with a fence ...

            By the way, how do you comment on the presence in the opposition of Israeli-made LEO grenade launchers?

            Transferring here:
            Israel armed the Army of Southern Lebanon-TSADAL and after the 2000 year all these weapons went to the local. Part of it was used against Israel itself. You look for modern Israeli weapons from militants in Syria - it will be much more interesting.

            Nevertheless, did you see the RPG LAU of Israeli production? Does Israel produce them at all? wink
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 19 January 2013 12: 47
            -2
            Quote: tolan777

            By the way, how do you comment on the presence in the opposition of Israeli-made LEO grenade launchers? Is Israel putting up its latest weapons for free sale, or is it unable to control it?

            They wrote about this dozens of times, the militants do not have weapons delivered from Israel!
            You have to be objective!
        3. OSTAP BENDER
          OSTAP BENDER 19 January 2013 13: 31
          11
          Quote: Professor
          Of course it’s pointless; he went too far. He will end up like the rest of local dictators like Saddam or Muammar.

          Professor! You smell bad !!!!
          1. Quiet
            Quiet 20 January 2013 11: 16
            -1
            He opened his mouth and forgot to brush his teeth .... wassat
        4. ymNIK1970
          ymNIK1970 19 January 2013 16: 32
          +3
          You end up like the Nazis in Germany arr. 1945 of the year. Yes, and "YOU" is a generalization.
        5. Sandov
          Sandov 19 January 2013 19: 38
          +3
          Professor,
          Israel wants some kind of dividends from the defeat of the people of Syria in the fight against shit. It will only get worse, but not sts ... this will not happen; the people of Syria will overcome the Basurman.
          1. Professor
            Professor 19 January 2013 21: 44
            10 th
            Israel is out of work here. request

            Are these people Sunnis? After all, they are the majority of the population of Syria who are fighting against Assad. I doubt very much that Assad learned something during this year. Here is an example of fresh, armored vehicles in a city without infantry cover. On the other hand, the rebels are also bolbs, in battle it is necessary not to protrude from the window out of the window, but with the ATGM.

            1. dmitreach
              dmitreach 20 January 2013 01: 06
              0
              the rebels are still bolbs, in battle it is necessary not to protrude from the window out of the window, but with the ATGM.
              The ATGM has expired, rotten. There are only impartial video cameras from the immaculate patrons of the arts. If the bandits had something more powerful than rectal cuts from hemorrhoids, they would definitely be shoved into the frame to report to the owners. And there would be another video on the network about: "Alla, I'm in the Bar" (as with the Mi-8)

              [img] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itnNI1Eu1yk&feature=player_embedded [/ img]
            2. dmitreach
              dmitreach 20 January 2013 01: 16
              +5
              Who knows where this video was shot and what happened to the turntable?
              Either the bandits' air defense systems are rotten, or apart from video cameras and candles from hemorrhoids, "immaculate freedom-lovers" do not supply them with anything else ... If the bandits had something more powerful than a video camera and "Alla, I'm in a bar", they were sure to shove them into the frame You need to account for the consumed candles ...
            3. tomket
              tomket 20 January 2013 15: 12
              +2
              Well, why are you teaching these boobies so badly?))) Well, with Saakashvili's grief, the soldiers did not succeed in teaching you how to fight as it should, then you could show zeal here, or without "hot reports" the information war will turn sour, so you give into the hands of the camera and not grenade ?????
              1. Professor
                Professor 20 January 2013 15: 18
                0
                "You" who is this? World imperialism? Instead of a grenade launcher, they take the camera themselves. I can show a video where they work with grenade launchers, but this does not change the fact that the Syrian army has not learned how to fight.
                1. tolan777
                  tolan777 20 January 2013 15: 39
                  +2
                  the Syrian army did not learn how to fight
                  - Well, of course, they have no Palestine on their side, where you can train with impunity.
                  And in any army of the WORLD there are mistakes, but about "the Syrian army has not learned to fight" the Syrian terrorists would not agree with you.
                  By the way, I read a little about the history of Syria - at one time the Syrian army hung up on Israel, although later it could not resist a retaliatory strike. But there is a nuance about "the Syrian army has not learned to fight" - you mean, has not learned to fight in the city? In open areas, she fought very well, and to say that she does not know how to fight just because she lost to someone is at least stupid. It is more accurate to talk about some level of the Syrian army, at which the Syrian army knows how to fight in the field, or about its level of combat readiness in urban settings - however, as I said, this level was appreciated by the Syrian terrorists.
                  In general, urban battles are a sore subject for many armies of the world, for example, your temporary patrons of the United States at one time abruptly fled to the city of Fallujah, Iraq - yes, they eventually took it - but read at what cost, and with by what means they did it. And you say "does not know how to fight" ...
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 20 January 2013 16: 08
                    -4
                    tolan777 But only men are able to see the source of these problems in themselves, and only the strong and smart are capable of either moving away from them ...

                    Well, if you talk about men, please behave like a man and admit your mistake about the absence of Israeli production from the Low rebels. After all, you claimed that they exist? wink

                    The Syrian army did not learn to fight either at sea or in the air, or in an open field, or in a city. This is evidenced by the facts over the past 60 years. Even the numerical and qualitative advantage did not help them in anything. The way they fight in urban areas is just awful. wassat
                    1. tolan777
                      tolan777 20 January 2013 21: 30
                      +1
                      Well, if you talk about men, please behave like a man and admit your mistake about the absence of Israeli production from the Low rebels. After all, it was you who claimed their presence
                      - did you miss my answer to you? In one of the comments, I made it clear that I had information about these grenade launchers from the video, I also asked "What do you say". You claim that this information is unreliable - I admitted it
                      RPG LOU mentioned in that video that they are of Israeli origin. If you think that Israel does not produce these RPGs, and the information mentioned in the video is inaccurate, then I take your word for it - we will assume that they are simply from Israel and were stored there. until they fell into the hands of terrorists.
                      How many times do I need to repeat this so that you understand that I agree with you? In the end, you can only blame me personally for citing a source of information that turned out to be inaccurate, right? In addition, as I recall, you yourself admitted that the Israeli grenade launchers, in the sense not released by Israel, but belonging to it - that is, you are attached to one word!

                      Israel armed the Army of South Lebanon-TSADAL and after 2000, all these weapons went to the local
                      - these are your own words.
                      That is, these grenade launchers, which are NOT ISRAELI made, but nonetheless Israeli - owned by Israel, were tricked into the hands of terrorists, will that suit you?
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 20 January 2013 21: 46
                        -1
                        That is, these grenade launchers, which are NOT ISRAELI made, but nonetheless Israeli - owned by Israel, were tricked into the hands of terrorists, will that suit you?

                        The ice has broken. good With the fact that they are not produced and not produced in Israel found out. Now let's try to find out that the grenade launchers mentioned in the video came to the militants through Israel. Where does this information come from? Is it written on them: "We are from Israel"? Is there any evidence or only words of someone who is not clear?

                        I would have to consider the modern Israeli granotomes or ATGMs or even western ones among the rebels ...
                      2. tolan777
                        tolan777 21 January 2013 11: 39
                        0
                        Israel armed the Army of South Lebanon-TSADAL and after 2000, all these weapons went to the local
                        - your own words.

                        And the fact that the video is grenade launchers, and the video was shot in Syria, with that, I think. you will not argue. As well as the fact that grenade launchers were seized from militants.
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 21 January 2013 11: 49
                        0
                        How do you prove the affiliation of THESE grenade launchers with a video to Israel? Is the address written on them or was Lau only with Israel?
                2. Tagir-abzi
                  Tagir-abzi 24 January 2013 14: 12
                  0
                  the Syrian army consists of a people of hard workers and peasants! they defend themselves as they can! God help them!
              2. atalef
                atalef 20 January 2013 16: 10
                +3
                Quote: tolan777
                By the way, I read a little about the history of Syria - at one time, the Syrian army mounted a lyuley to Israel, although later it could not resist a retaliatory strike

                People, do we read what we write? It is necessary to bring in the classics.
                Afftor burns laughing
                Quote: tolan777
                In open areas, she fought quite well, but to argue that she doesn’t know how to fight just because she lost to someoneat least stupid

                Therefore, to say the opposite is at least clever. Congratulations to you, Why so buggy.
                Quote: tolan777
                - however, the Syrian terrorists appreciated this level, as I said.

                Look at the number of Syrian armed forces and security forces, more than 500 people. Terrorists really appreciated - all this armada cannot overwhelm them in 2 of the year
                Quote: tolan777
                Iraq - yes, they took it in the end - but read, at what cost, and with what means they did it. And you say "does not know how to fight."

                He is the winner, and the rest is secondary. It’s not a secret for you that the USSR lost 2 times more people in the Second World War than Germany and? Will you also challenge the victory of the USSR?
                1. Cavas
                  Cavas 20 January 2013 18: 37
                  +6
                  atalef,
                  Mr. "historian" I recommend that you familiarize yourself.

                  The irrevocable losses of the USSR Armed Forces in the Second World War constitute 11,5 - 12,0 million people irrevocably, with the actual combat demographic losses in 8,7 – 9,3 million people. The losses of the Wehrmacht and the SS troops on the Eastern Front are 8,0 - 8,9 million people irrevocably, of which purely combat demographic 5,2 – 6,1 million (including those who died in captivity) people. Plus, the losses of the German Armed Forces on the Eastern Front need to add the losses of satellite countries, and this is neither more nor less than 850 thousand (including dead in captivity) people killed and more than 600 thousand prisoners. Total 12,0 (the greatest number) million vs. 9,05 (the smallest number) million people
                  The issue with the civilian population is more terrible against 14,4 (the smallest number) million people of WWII victims in the USSR - 3,2 million people (the largest number) of victims from the German side. So who fought with whom? It is also worth mentioning that, without denying the Holocaust of the Jews, German society still does not accept the “Slavic” Holocaust, if everything (thousands of works) is known about the suffering of the Jewish people in the West, then they prefer to keep silent “modestly” about crimes against the Slavic peoples. The non-participation of our researchers, for example, in the all-German “debate of historians” only exacerbates this situation.

                  http://topwar.ru/11444-poteri-sssr-i-germanii-v-vov.html
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 20 January 2013 19: 28
                    -2
                    Quote: Cavas
                    Mr. "historian" I recommend that you familiarize yourself.

                    What you have with an understanding of the problem you read. I knew . but not to such an extent. Where I said the loss of the sun? Total losses in the Second World War - 26 million
                    Germany 12.2 Million
                    read it and next time read the posts carefully.
                    http://nnm.ru/blogs/Dmitry68/poteri-sssr-i-germanii-v-vov/
                  2. Cavas
                    Cavas 20 January 2013 19: 56
                    0
                    Quote: atalef
                    read it and next time read the posts carefully.

                    I didn’t even doubt for a second. that is exactly how you bounce! laughing
                    Quote: atalef
                    What you have with understanding the problem you read

                    So far you have problems, and with the expression of thought, what does "the USSR lost" mean ????
                    Next time, if you want to fast, express your thoughts (or whatever you have) more clearly!
              3. tolan777
                tolan777 20 January 2013 21: 58
                +2
                Atalef, thanks, made me laugh with your pearl:
                Look at the number of Syrian armed forces and security forces, more than 500 people. Terrorists really appreciated - all this armada cannot overwhelm them in 2 of the year
                - just like that, bearded uncle-wahhabis seem to be, all the rams as one, walk around the city without hiding, they are bombed. crush tanks, shoot from all types of small arms, but they can’t overwhelm them, just some terminators, T-1000 series, no less))))

                Do you yourself even understand what nonsense they wrote? Your nonsense from the category of senility of Ukrainian nationalists:
                "The UPA fought until 1956 fate, ale Radianska the army could not їkh overmogti" - the army that defeated the Nazis, according to the afftor of your type, is not able to destroy a handful of stinking bandits ?? Do you have enough sense to assume that in an open battle all these Syrian terrorists would be destroyed within a couple of days? And you are able to realize that without constant replenishment of manpower, weapons, money from abroad, all these Syrian terrorists, with whom, according to your CRAZY assertion, the Syrian army CANNOT cope, would have been destroyed by the Syrian army within six months. ?
                However, you are not in the subject, there is no one to discuss the issue with. The fact that you are not in the subject is proved by your one phrase "500 thousand" about the army and security forces.
                In the Syrian army, ground forces 200 thousand people;
                air force 40 thousand people;
                naval forces 7,6 thousand people.
                60 air defense thousand people.

                How many people are in the Syrian security forces?


                And now for your even lesser knowledge of the topic than mine:
                Your charge:
                Quote: tolan777
                By the way, I read a little about the history of Syria - at one time, the Syrian army mounted a lyuley to Israel, although later it could not resist a retaliatory strike

                People, do we read what we write? It is necessary to bring in the classics.
                Afftor burns laughing


                Now read at least Wikipedia:

                In 1973, Syria, along with other Arab states, launched the Doomsday War. Unlike the Egyptian theater, where the Israelis were quick enough to seize the initiative and actually pull Egypt out of the war, the hostilities on the Syrian front were fierce, especially the battle for El Quneitra, called "Syrian Stalingrad." Syrian troops inflicted heavy losses on the Israelis, which was an indirect reason for criticizing and the subsequent resignation of key figures of the Israeli leadership in the person of Golda Meir and Moshe Dayan, but in the end the balance remained on the Syrian front. Al-Quneitra managed to keep, despite the brutal onslaught of the Israelis
                , and again the same Wikipedia:
                Israeli losses in technology: 109 aircraft and helicopters, 810 tanks and armored vehicles. During the Doomsday War, Israel lost about 2200–2500 killed, 5500–7500 wounded, and 290–530 people were captured.


                And just try after that to say that the Syrians were fighting sucks!
                Of course, I am waiting for objections that you can write anything on Wikipedia, but Israel has not actually lost a single tank! laughing
                1. Professor
                  Professor 20 January 2013 22: 09
                  -3
                  And just try after that to say that the Syrians were fighting sucks!

                  Do you really want to prove it to you? With numbers, maps and photos? Let's omit the long copy-paste and just stop at the fact that with an overwhelming advantage in manpower and equipment (both in quantitative and qualitative terms of technology) and using the surprise factor, the Syrian army ended the war at a distance of an artillery shot from Damascus. Guess whose shot? wink

                  PS
                  When counting the security forces of Syria, do not forget the police and special services.
                2. tolan777
                  tolan777 21 January 2013 11: 41
                  0
                  Do you agree that the losses of Israel on the Syrian front were significantly greater than in other sectors?
                3. Professor
                  Professor 21 January 2013 11: 50
                  -1
                  I do not agree, give the numbers claiming this.
                4. tolan777
                  tolan777 21 January 2013 19: 31
                  0
                  Israeli losses in technology: 109 aircraft and helicopters, 810 tanks and armored vehicles.
                  I hope you will not demand photos of the destroyed equipment? laughing
          2. atalef
            atalef 21 January 2013 09: 08
            -1
            Quote: tolan777
            The fact that you are not in the subject is proved by your one phrase "500 thousand" about the army and security forces.
            In the Syrian army, ground forces 200 thousand people;
            air force 40 thousand people;
            naval forces 7,6 thousand people.
            60 air defense thousand people.
            How many people are in the Syrian security forces?

            310 Army for those who know how to count
            Police Force -
            1. Military - 20
            2. Civil -147 person
            Muhabarrat (of the FSB type) - 38 person (according to unverified data)
            In general, in general, more than 500t - this is me, modestly.
            Quote: tolan777
            Now read at least Wikipedia:

            Read, read
            At the end of the first day of the war, the Syrians, then numerically superior to the Israelis with respect to 9: 1, achieved some success.

            Nobody hides this, but how about the result? Why not get it?
            On October 9, the Israeli Air Force began to strike at the main strategic targets of Syria, on the same day "the Syrian General Staff was defeated" [15] [16].
            From October 11 to October 14, Israeli forces advanced deep into Syrian territory, capturing an area of ​​32 square kilometers. From new positions, heavy artillery could already fire at Damascus, located 40 km from the front.
            The troops sent by Iraq (these divisions turned out to be an unpleasant strategic surprise for the Israelis, who expected to be informed by intelligence about such movements up to a day) attacked the protruding southern flank of the Israelis, forcing the latter to retreat several kilometers to avoid encirclement. On October 12 during a tank battle, 50 Iraqi tanks were destroyed, the rest, under cover of artillery, retreated in disarray to the east. On the same day, a column of the Iraqi army [17] was destroyed in the Syrian rear northeast of Damascus.
            On October 24, the Soviet leadership warned Israel of "the most serious consequences" in the event of its "aggressive actions against Egypt and Syria." At the same time, L. Brezhnev sent R. Nixon an urgent telegram in which he assured the American side that if it was passive in resolving the crisis, the USSR would be faced with the need to "urgently consider the matter of taking the necessary unilateral steps." The increased combat readiness of 7 divisions of the Soviet airborne troops was announced. In response, the United States declared an alarm in the nuclear forces.
            After that, Israeli troops stopped the offensive and on October 25 the state of high alert in Soviet divisions and American nuclear forces was canceled.
            Чthen I have not read anywhere that the selfless defense of the Syrians delayed the advance of the IDF. The road to Damascus was open and from the complete defeat of Syria, saved only the intervention of the USSR.

            Read carefully.
          3. tolan777
            tolan777 21 January 2013 11: 41
            0
            Do you agree that the losses of Israel on the Syrian front were significantly greater than in other sectors?
          4. atalef
            atalef 21 January 2013 14: 43
            0
            Quote: tolan777
            Do you agree that the losses of Israel on the Syrian front were significantly greater than in other sectors?

            Of course, I admit, but what does it matter? How did this affect the outcome of the war? Syria was advancing on a much smaller section of the front and the concentration of the armed forces was much greater than on the Egyptian front, I'm not saying that the width of the Sinai is -500km. and the Golan Heights is 15 km. Therefore, on the Syrian front, the fighting was fierce (with the Syrian superiority 1k 9). But not the whole Syrian army (together with the Jordanian and Iraqi) as a result could not do anything, they were defeated and only the intervention of the USSR, stopped Israel from capturing Damascus.
          5. tolan777
            tolan777 21 January 2013 19: 22
            +1
            Of course I admit
            - Thank you for recognizing what I meant from the very beginning - you received lyuli from Syria, although you won.
            I hope now you will not say that the Syrians do not know how to fight, do not be like a troll professor.
          6. Professor
            Professor 21 January 2013 21: 20
            -3
            The young man was pointed out a couple of times to his ignorance, and he immediately insulted the elders. negative
          7. tolan777
            tolan777 22 January 2013 12: 03
            0
            Insult??? Dear - and there were no thoughts! You are a troll, and this is not an insult, but a characteristic of your manner of conducting discussion, moreover, forum users have given you this characteristic, do you want to say that they are smarter than them?
          8. Professor
            Professor 23 January 2013 08: 53
            -1
            I spare you the Troll’s comments and add you to the blacklist, finally, advice - learn the materiel.
  • tomket
    tomket 20 January 2013 17: 48
    +2
    you are those who pushed Georgia to aggression in Ossetia, Israel was spotted there among others and will not wash off anymore, America, England, France, all who instilled democracy in Iraq with depleted uranium, and in Libya did not drop leaflets calling for a truce, Well, the fact that you still do not fly over Syria, is just an indicator of the strength of the Syrian army, do not climb, then you are afraid))))
  • Kars
    Kars 20 January 2013 15: 35
    +4
    They work very well on the bottom video. Whatever the prof would say.
    Christmas tree tactics worked out in Berlin. Three tanks. BMPs. They only began to feel the danger, started firing. shoot, get a 125 mm landmine, since the tank is far enough and the elevation angle of the gun will be enough.
    1. Kars
      Kars 20 January 2013 16: 15
      +2
      Professor Today, 16:08 | The information war against Syria continues 1 tolan777 But only men are able to see the source of these problems in themselves, and only the strong and smart can or move away from them ...
      Well, if you talk about men, please behave like a man and admit your mistake about the absence of Israeli production from the Low rebels. After all, you claimed that they exist?

      The Syrian army has not learned to fight neither at sea, nor in the air, nor in the open field, nor in the city. This is evidenced by the facts over the past 60 years. Even the numerical and qualitative advantage did not help them in anything. The way they fight in city building is just awful


      Oh yeah. Profias like Jews would send infantry ahead of tanks.
      I'm glad that you put me on the blacklist))))))))
      And then there is seen with seized RPGs there is LOU.
      1. tomket
        tomket 20 January 2013 17: 54
        +1
        according to the professor, an indicator of the effectiveness of war in urban buildings is the number of airstrikes
        1. Professor
          Professor 20 January 2013 20: 12
          -1
          according to the professor, an indicator of the effectiveness of war in urban buildings is the number of airstrikes

          And where did I write this? Asad carries out air strikes more than ahead of schedule, only armored vehicles are not thrown into the city without infantry support. Pasha Mercedes already tried once ...
  • Botanologist
    Botanologist 19 January 2013 21: 04
    +6
    he went too far

    He’s gone far - is this something that prevented the bearded from taking over the country?
    Well, if you measure it by such standards, it’s time to erase Israel in general, that it has gone too far, starting from the seizure of foreign lands, and ending with illegal annexations. Do you agree? Or is morality again divided into "we like" and "we do not like"?
  • Shomik
    Shomik 20 January 2013 12: 24
    +5
    ahhh Saddam and Gaddafi were dictators? So it turns out that Gaddafi was executed for the death of 3000 people, and after him hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died !!!! They attacked Gaddafi, killed tens of thousands of Libyans and did not return about 300 billion dollars in Western banks and shares , people who were blissed out in Libya and lived like communism in the truest sense of the word. But not dictators are those who unleashed wars and destroy millions of Obama, Sarkozy and their other minions from the Arab countries ??????
    1. Professor
      Professor 20 January 2013 12: 27
      -4
      Do you know the definition of dictatorship? Obama and Sarkozy are aggressors, but not dictators. Other Arab princes are dictators and their "bright future" is not guaranteed by anyone.
      1. Botanologist
        Botanologist 20 January 2013 13: 37
        +2
        Obama and Sarkozy aggressors,

        But interestingly - are Palestinians aggressors or dictators? Interestingly, under what label does Israel shoot them?
        Yes, Professor, sophistry in you is indestructible.
        1. tomket
          tomket 20 January 2013 15: 17
          +2
          It seems to me that Israel needs to be more liberal, by the way, what if a gay parade is held near the wailing wall? it will show the whole world your peacefulness, commitment to democratic principles and true humanity)))))
      2. tomket
        tomket 20 January 2013 15: 16
        +2
        Well, yes, Obama and Sarkozy are not dictators, they are executors. And the real dictatorship is the ruling elites, often shadowy. You noticed that by and large it doesn’t matter who the authorities of Bush or Obama, Sarkozy or Lupine, everything goes further rails.
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 19 January 2013 12: 45
    10
    Quote: Professor
    By the way, flying from Damascus to the Mediterranean coast is only 85 km through Lebanon or 115 km over Syrian territory and certainly not 300!

    Professor. Can you seriously believe in this nonsense that Assad lives aboard a Russian ship ???
    1. Professor
      Professor 19 January 2013 12: 54
      -3
      Professor. Can you seriously believe in this nonsense that Assad lives aboard a Russian ship ???

      I do not believe, but to write that from Damascus to the ports of the Mediterranean Sea 300 km it’s even elementary not to know geography. 300 from Damascus is the territory of Great Britain on the island of Cyprus, where they have a military base, among other things. About Mi-8 and MANPADS generally nonsense ... fool
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 19 January 2013 19: 05
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        For them, even a 3-meter fence is not an insurmountable obstacle

        Professor, I always looked through and checked your arguments for many technical reasons, etc., atnyud, somewhere I agree with you, let my fellow tribesmen hate me, but ... somewhere you are agile. But in general, let’s pogrom, no, bryak_ on Skype, Yu chat with pleasure.
      2. Sandov
        Sandov 19 January 2013 19: 42
        0
        Professor,
        But haven't these Angles been toured from Cyprus? It seems that the era of colonialism for them ended in exile from the Middle East, thanks to which Israel appeared, though with our help.
        1. Professor
          Professor 19 January 2013 21: 50
          0
          ... la Israel again? wink
          The Britons are firmly seated in Cyprus, there is not just a RAF base Akrotiri 32 ° 59'31.41 "E 34 ° 35'19.48" N, but it is located in the UK and Cyprus does not claim this territory. And from it 320 km to Damascus, why would they drive an aircraft carrier to the Mediterranean? request
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 20 January 2013 11: 41
            +1
            Professor,
            It would be necessary for Cyprus to begin to claim its territory. Drive Britons from captured lands. The Germans gave them a crap in due time, it should be reminded.
            1. Professor
              Professor 20 January 2013 12: 23
              0
              Cyprus, this air base, and the presence of British territory on the island are more than satisfied. There is a problem with the Turks occupied the northern part of the island.
  • elenagromova
    19 January 2013 15: 27
    19
    The distance from Damascus to Tartus is 258 km, to Lattakia - another 348 km.
    Специально уточнила по таблице расстояний http://www.cometosyria.com/ru/pages/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D1%8F%D
    0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F+%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%B6%D0%B4%D1%83+%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D
    0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B8+%D0%A1%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F/97/3
    But Lebanon is absolutely not the topic here - even the disinformers from Saudi could not have imagined that. Moreover, there are no Russian ships in Lebanon at all.
    1. Magul8
      Magul8 19 January 2013 16: 00
      +7
      And the professor is painted.
      Professor, is it really Lebanese airspace that draws? Everyone flies.
      You usually always require a link. Maybe demand from you?
      Bravo Elena, these professed professors only need to beat on the head with facts, immediately all their knowledge is then specified.
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 19 January 2013 20: 27
        +5
        Quote: elenagromova
        The distance from Damascus to Tartus is 258 km, to Latakia - another 348 km

        Oh, professor, well, there’s a jamb, I’m sorry, like, tomorrow I’ll go to work, ahha, encourage, I mean, justify !!!
      2. Professor
        Professor 19 January 2013 22: 01
        0
        Professor, is it really Lebanese airspace that draws? Everyone flies.

        Exactly. Even the Israelis fly. But especially for you, bypassing Lebanon does not work 250 km.
      3. Magul8
        Magul8 20 January 2013 13: 52
        +3
        What was that?
        I am writing here because I honestly don’t know who to put this question to.
        Just yesterday, somewhere in these ranks was the answer of the professor. He presented an alternative scale of the distance from Damascus to the same Tartus.
        Whether he is right or wrong, it’s hard for me to judge. Link Elena for mileage is also not invented.
        Having more experience in cartography, one could try to find the truth.
        Therefore, I do not agree with the decision to remove the professorial arguments. By this we show our weakness, allowing us to doubt our truth.
        In the end, no matter whose kilometers are truthful.
        The fact of such an act for Assad (evacuation to a Russian ship) is not permissible. He proved it with deeds and words, already soon the second year.
        What kind of hangover would he do today if he hadn’t allowed himself this in his thoughts the previous time?
        Therefore, from the very beginning of our disputes with professorial types it is clear that we are on different barricades.
        I am sure the truth is behind us. And as "Brother" said, power is in truth.
        Do not be compared with the fact that they see a speck in the eyes of others, but they will not notice a log in their own. And most of us are not so straight without a ridge.
    2. Professor
      Professor 19 January 2013 21: 56
      +1
      The distance from Damascus to Tartus is 258 km, to Lattakia - another 348 km.

      Lady, you see if the helicopter doesn’t necessarily fly over the highway. After all, did you write about the aircraft in the article? wink
      1. elenagromova
        23 January 2013 03: 33
        +1
        Professor, you drew the shortest path through Lebanon. It also does not constitute 115 km, as you wrote it for the first time, and secondly, you suggest the president to fly directly over the places where the Haririans have bases. And if I were in his security service, I would lay down so that he would not fly like that.
        1. Professor
          Professor 23 January 2013 09: 00
          +2
          And if I were in his security service, I would have been breastfeeding so that he would not fly like that.

          No need for such sacrifices. wink

          1. In order to get on board a Russian ship he does not have to be near the wall in the port, he can be on the roadstead much south of the Syrian ports and pick up a dictating dictator if there is such a task.
          2. Of course, you’re right, noting the distance from Damascus to the port in 300 km, you can wind circles from morning to evening, confusing the enemy. Moreover, the earth is round and you can fly in the exact opposite direction and still get to the planned point.
          1. elenagromova
            23 January 2013 14: 30
            0
            it is possible and in circles, as long as it is not knocked down. Well, so that every time the Lebanese government does not ask for permission)))))
            And you can fly to the sea through the territory of Israel. You can even drop a couple of things inadvertently))))
            1. atalef
              atalef 23 January 2013 15: 26
              +2
              Quote: elenagromova
              . And you can fly to the sea through the territory of Israel))

              Welcome .
              Quote: elenagromova
              You can even drop a couple of things inadvertently))

              I hope it will not be you with your best friend
              Quote: elenagromova
              Well, so that every time the Lebanese government does not ask permission))

              Let us come without asking. We love unexpected guests.
              1. elenagromova
                24 January 2013 01: 59
                +1
                No, I’ll be there alone)))) Why should I risk someone else? )) Although your friend is a professor, he says that our turntables are indestructible, but still)))))
        2. atalef
          atalef 23 January 2013 09: 08
          -1
          Quote: elenagromova
          And if I were in his security service, I would have been breastfeeding so that he would not fly like that.

          Elena, don’t have to lie down on Assad or on the dashboard of the helicopter (ask Igor 67 what this might lead to) Просто Just ask Assad and he won’t fly. laughing
          In general, they laughed - laid down on her chest laughing There are not only patriotic
          feelings are implicated, deeper here. I do not envy you, unrequited love, Assad's wife is just beautiful.
          Good luck Elena, in general, fate suits different tricks, everything happens, and an unloaded gun shoots once a year. Maybe you're lucky. Good luck.
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 19 January 2013 16: 56
    10
    Professor,

    Dynamic ceiling MI-8 of the order of 4000-4500 m (up to 6000 MI-8AMT). The most modern MANPADS "Stinger", "Igla-S" have a target destruction height of the order of 3500-3800m.
    Those. dynamic ceiling the maximum elevation of the helicopter along an inclined path at maximum climb. It should be noted that in the area of ​​its dynamic ceiling, the higher the critical maximum point, the more difficult the flight of the helicopter and the danger of stall.
    when flying to a dynamic ceiling, helicopter stability and controllability along all three axes noticeably worsens. Therefore, the flight altitude of the MI-8 helicopter, which is the most optimal in terms of control and safety, should be much lower than the dynamic ceiling. In this case, MI-8 will already be available at 3000m to defeat MANPADS.
    Moreover, to conduct a conversation about the fact that
    Quote: Professor
    Mi-8 flight altitude a lot more than the height of the MANPADS lesions.
    not serious.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 19 January 2013 18: 05
      +7
      In general, there are specialists and pilots and helicopter pilots, but as far as I know, it’s hard to climb for a helicopter because the air is more discharged at a higher altitude, so that in order not to fall the helicopter must develop high speed, but the maximum speed of the helicopter is limited due to the inadmissibility of constant achievement of the speed of sound at extreme sections of the blades (the total maximum speed at the edge of the blade is equal to the radius of the rotor disk, multiplied by revolutions per second + the speed of the helicopter itself), which would lead to the destruction of the structure. they fly somewhere in the region of 500-1000km. And their speed is small up to 250km / h if you take MI-8
      My webpage
      1. Professor
        Professor 19 January 2013 22: 12
        0
        4500 m for Mi-8 is not a problem, but with new engines Motor Sich generally trifling matter. I already shared my memories of how I personally observed the Mi-8 in the Himalayas where other turntables do not dream of flying. MANPADS above 3500 will not be achieved (in ideal conditions 3800)! So the MANPADS will not reach the Mi-8 if it comes to that.
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 19 January 2013 22: 55
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          4500 m for the Mi-8 is not a problem,

          Since the end of the 80s, if I’m not mistaken, about 6000 m
        2. tolan777
          tolan777 20 January 2013 12: 30
          +2
          Professor, all this is true, but helicopters can be shot down at the take-off and landing stage, when its height is within reach of MANPADS.
          Of course, in the take-off and landing areas after the launch, the terrorists will have a problem, but among them there are a lot of suicidal fanatics. So evacuation by helicopter is far from an option, and it’s not serious to consider the allegations of a deceitful newspaper of one of the countries of the Arab League, which spread lies about the evacuation of Assad, to be true.
          1. Professor
            Professor 20 January 2013 12: 40
            0
            I am not claiming anywhere that this newspaper is telling the truth, I am only stating the "materiel" regarding the ability of board number 1 to cover a distance of 150-200 km at an altitude not reached by MANPADS. Won in Ukraine, the Mi-8 reached a record height of 8200 meters. Takeoff in this case is the most dangerous area, but even here it is not guaranteed that the helicopter will be shot down by MANPADS, at least there are heat traps on it.

            How is it with RPG Low Israeli production? Are there any in nature in general? wink
            1. tolan777
              tolan777 20 January 2013 15: 31
              -2
              RPG LOU mentioned in that video that they are of Israeli origin. If you think that Israel does not produce these RPGs, and the information mentioned in the video is inaccurate, then I take your word for it - we will assume that they are simply from Israel and were stored there. until they fell into the hands of terrorists.
  • Shulz-1955
    Shulz-1955 21 January 2013 01: 06
    +1
    Professor, and everyone missed your idiotic comments. Today is some kind of holiday. Were you Nastenka recently? Have you changed your gender again? And convey your wishes personally. Assad is waiting for you impatiently.
  • imguskov
    imguskov 25 January 2013 05: 17
    0
    Professor, you have very in-depth knowledge of the tactical and technical data of the Mi-8 helicopter, is it really that the helicopter is now rising to a height of 40 meters? Is it your merit or the Syrian fighters in improving the helicopter flight data?
    1. Professor
      Professor 25 January 2013 09: 52
      0
      I have given TTX Mi-8 here for people like you, in particular, about the height 8250m. Can you refute?
  • SEM
    SEM 19 January 2013 10: 10
    +6
    Time will put everything in its place. America itself at the time to think about its integrity and public debt, which is becoming unbearable, and they still teach life to other countries, countries that, unlike her, go back in ancient times and have managed to overcome other difficulties.
  • CCA
    CCA 19 January 2013 10: 29
    +1
    The whole problem is that the United States is well aware that a departure from the planned scenario on the Syrian, and as a result, on the Middle East issue as a whole is not possible, since we will have to remake the whole of America ... And therefore now they are frantically looking for a way to solve this problem in the direction they need ... And the evidence of this is the statement from Qatar dated 13.01.2013: "Al-Jazeera.

    Sheikh Hamad bin Yasem HaThani, Prime Minister of the country, said: “I think the time for diplomacy is over. Diplomacy can continue for another two or three or four weeks - but not more. The situation in Syria is too tragic and we cannot justify all this talk about support for political decisions. " And therefore, the number of terrorist acts will grow and proposals from the West will be put forward to help "peacekeepers" through the UN in the fight against terror ...
  • Alexfu
    Alexfu 19 January 2013 10: 34
    +5
    Unfortunately your professor friends taught them how to use the "arrow" and "stinger" and gave them this weapon. Immediately I say to argue with you, I'm not going to because of disgust for such a category of people walking over corpses to show their self. They would be ashamed of the fact that children died at the hands of killers trained by your friends, although, what to say, let it be on your conscience, if you know this word.
    1. Professor
      Professor 19 January 2013 10: 37
      14 th
      I don’t need to ascribe anyone to my friends and read maral, young man.
      Your proHVessor. hi
      1. ymNIK1970
        ymNIK1970 19 January 2013 16: 38
        +5
        US does not have such professors wassat there are only trollies repeat
      2. Quiet
        Quiet 20 January 2013 11: 33
        +1
        You have confused the site "proHvessor" fool . On the Rambler’s news, you will be your own among your own, and here you are a stranger among your own negative
  • Averias
    Averias 19 January 2013 11: 05
    +5
    Quote: UN Secretary General wants to bring to Syria even more “freedom” on the wings of NATO aircraft

    The air in Syria smelled of "Freedom"


  • Cavas
    Cavas 19 January 2013 11: 36
    11
    And he himself, allegedly, got on a Russian ship in the Mediterranean Sea and leaves it with the help of a personal helicopter only in extreme cases. But Sam de is preparing, in the event of a worsening situation, to sail on this ship to Russia.

    As it is rather weak, Assad would write right away TELEPORTED to Russia!

    1. hrych
      hrych 19 January 2013 12: 35
      +6
      Are they among us? X people?
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 January 2013 16: 28
      +4
      Quote: Cavas
      Somehow weak

      Hi Seryoga, if the record is not fake, then you can be stunned belay
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 19 January 2013 19: 01
      +4
      Cavas,

      And here is another fresh Israeli lie like an armada of 70 ships of Russia.

      Syrian army put on alert about 500 Soviet-made Scud missiles and aimed them at Israel. Each of these missiles is capable of carrying warheads weighing up to half a ton.

      The Israeli media in this regard provide information that the units of the country's defense army, located in the north, are put on alert.


      My webpage
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 19 January 2013 19: 10
        +1
        Ascetic
        Do you know why you do not provide the entire link? Because it says that the Israeli media are referring to a Qatari newspaper. So you twist "my dear sir."
        1. wax
          wax 19 January 2013 21: 15
          +1
          Why is the ISRAELI MEDIA referring to the Qatari newspaper? (Understandably, because they didn’t come up with this themselves)
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic 19 January 2013 21: 24
          +6
          Aron Zaavi,
          And this is a proven technology. the main thing is not to find the ends. Well, I recently laid out a video from Pravda.ru how this is done by the example of the living of an Assad on a Russian ship. And the second self-respecting publication will not print an outright bullshit about 500 SCADS, despite the fact that they have much more warheads more than half a ton (somewhere around 870kg if memory serves), Wherever you throw solid jambs on the guys who most of all love to teach the lives of everyone and everything. hi
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 19 January 2013 23: 32
            +2
            Ascetic
            Maybe I’ll disappoint you, but maybe I’ll make you happy, but the Israeli media, like everyone else, are chasing ratings and reprinting any X-nude.
            1. Shulz-1955
              Shulz-1955 21 January 2013 01: 28
              +1
              Aron Zawi. It is very pleasant that you are aware of reality. You can’t trust anyone - you really believe me!
    4. Quiet
      Quiet 20 January 2013 12: 25
      0
      It seems not to be installation .... And the one who knows her .....
      1. mladenec
        mladenec 21 January 2013 18: 24
        0
        please drop the link to the video, it was deleted, and watch passion as a hunt, well, or at least the name.
    5. Kuryanin
      Kuryanin 20 January 2013 13: 42
      0
      Tin! You look and think, but what if it exists, half a day will pass and you forget and think nonsense, a trick.
    6. Stamp
      Stamp 21 January 2013 03: 14
      +1
      Too high resolution for a street webcam makes you wonder what Chinese special effects can do.
  • Alexfu
    Alexfu 19 January 2013 11: 44
    +5
    The information war, in principle, never stopped, just with the introduction of the Internet into our lives, it has become more accessible. Syria, of course, is being denigrated, especially by its leadership, but it’s just the dying convulsions of the Western masters and terrorist gangs, they cannot, with the current funding, wage a serious war, so they are hoping for a cheaper information war to prepare the opinion of the world community, as well as to win over as many of the population of the country with which this war is being waged. And as we see, there are people with the help of which such an opinion is imposed on us on the forums.
  • toguns
    toguns 19 January 2013 13: 17
    +2
    recourse nothing new, the next colonial war for markets and influence in a particular region.
    and the reaction of the United States to the shelling of the university reminded me of a story about Roosevelt, Samos and the catch phrase "Somosa may be a son of a bitch, but this is our son of a bitch."
  • DERWISH
    DERWISH 19 January 2013 13: 43
    +3
    the cynicism and blasphemy of the Americans is not only stunning but also proves who exactly are the killers and barbarians on this planet! and what else can you expect from a nation of murderers and scum who gathered at one time in one place called America and practically destroyed the indigenous population and the nation of this country! they have in their blood a spirit of freedom but only for them and walking on bones and enslaving principles! by and large they don’t even have roots! they are a parasitic society living on the neck of other nations! in general, fascism is alive and his homeland is America!
  • Vespasian
    Vespasian 19 January 2013 14: 39
    +3
    It would not be bad after the complete liberation of the DARAYA suburbs to take captive puppets of the West along the main street so that the people knew the traitors, but they wanted to be given the opportunity to show themselves to the people.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 20 January 2013 08: 43
      +1
      And I wouldn’t take militants captive at all, these are terrorists, and they would not shoot mercy on the spot so that they knew !!!
  • homosum20
    homosum20 19 January 2013 14: 49
    +2
    Sometimes I want to look at a map of Europe, and see one big crater. If a man is a bastard, this is no longer a man.
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 20 January 2013 13: 26
      0
      not for you alone ....................
  • faser
    faser 19 January 2013 15: 35
    +4
    Allah is with you Assad
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 19 January 2013 16: 17
    +8
    Interview with Syrian Army General (January 17, 2013), ANNAnews.




    Syrian Army T-72 tank in Deraya works on terrorists



    According to the deputy-communist, member of the State Duma Committee on Defense V.N. Tetekin Russia needs to intervene in hostilities in Syria. He declares this on the air of the Communist Party. TV



    Speaking of the tragedy in Syria, the real tragedy will begin if you do not defeat and expel the alien gangsters.The example of Libya testifies to this clearly when, after the overthrow of Gadduffy, the cancer of al-Qaeda, which was trained in the bowels of the U.S. intelligence, spread throughout West Africa.
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 20 January 2013 01: 19
      +4
      Ascetic. There soon everyone will be against everyone.

      A branch of the Kurdish National Council in the Syrian city of Ras al Ain called on Syrian opposition to influence jihadists and force them to stop attacking a town located on the Turkish border itself. This is reported by the Lebanese agency Now, with reference to the France Press agency.
      "In the morning, attacks by armed groups and individual militants against innocent and unarmed citizens in the city of Ras al Ain began with harm," the Kurds said in a statement. "They use different types of heavy weapons, spreading panic and terror among children and women."
      "We condemn these cowardly attacks and call on the National Coalition, the Syrian National Council and the Syrian Free Army to put pressure on the militants and stop this criminal war, which is contrary to the principles of the Syrian revolution."
      The Town Council called on the Turkish authorities to stop interfering and supporting armed groups that promote Turkish interests in Syria. On Friday, fighters loyal to the Al-Nusra Front (declared a terrorist organization in the West) penetrated Ras al-Ain in three tanks, apparently from Turkey. On Saturday, Kurdish militias tried to force them out of their cities, as a result of which one was killed and three wounded.
      Kurdish officials fear that Turks are using gangs of jihadists in the fight against Syrian Kurds.
      Zman.com
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 19 January 2013 16: 47
    +1
    19.01 13:17 MIGnews.com
    While battles with government forces in Syria continue, there is a split in the ranks of the anti-Assad coalition, in which there are a lot of Islamist militants. The militants of the Al-Nusra Front group affiliated with Al-Qaeda openly declared their desire to make adjustments to the goals of the revolution and create a Sharia state, which provoked a negative reaction from their allies.
    The internal struggle between the well-armed mujahideen, many of whom are international militants, Iraqi war veterans and members of the Free Syrian Army, can decide the fate of the protracted conflict.
    The rebel commanders have already announced that they will no longer cooperate with the Mujahideen, and will begin to fight them on the second day after the fall of the regime of Bashar al-Assad. Indeed, it seems that a split has already occurred, as the rebels fought several battles near Aleppo without the help of their former allies.
    The United States also shares the Mujahideen and the forces of the Free Syrian Army, demonstrating this by recognizing the Syrian opposition coalition as the official representative of the interests of the people of Syria. The national coalition intends to coordinate military operations against the troops of Bashar al-Assad and to manage regions that are already under the control of the rebels. Representatives of the coalition refuses any dialogue with Assad.

    Hmm. War inside the war. And yesterday I saw a video where the Kurds fought with the Islamists. In short, somewhere I wrote that this year nothing will end, so I’m ready to say it again.
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 19 January 2013 21: 10
      +4
      United States also shares mujahideen and forces of the Free Syrian Army

      Are you, in all seriousness, trying to convince us that the "good" militants are supported by the Amers and the Turks, they are arming them, they are being carried across the borders, but the "bad" ones are not? Then tell us how they get to Syria with weapons?
      No need to look naive.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 19 January 2013 23: 41
        -1
        Botanologist
        What do you mean good? For Assad, well, and for the Russian Federation there are no good militants. For Israel, in general, too. But the United States, of course, is trying to find those with whom it can make contact. With Assad, they certainly won’t be able to. With the Islamists, well, not seriously. Those. they can try, but I think that after the next de-ma that they gobbled up in Libya, they will beware. So only Assad’s enemies from the SSA are their only serious choice. Qatar and the Saudis are more likely to support jihadists.
        1. Botanologist
          Botanologist 20 January 2013 01: 21
          0
          With Assad, they certainly won’t be able to

          Well, then let them not climb if they can’t. Al-Qaeda alone has already been raised, is that not enough?

          For Israel, in general, too

          Nevertheless, Israel stubbornly climbs where America orders.

          only Assad’s enemies from SSA are their only serious choice

          These FSA enemies of Assad will be massacred on the first night after Assad's fall. And the amers can at least forever feed and water the FSA government "in exile", but Libya will seem to them to be quite a peace-loving country after that.
          So if you chat shit-mo in a barrel, you don’t need to say that you are looking for flower honey there. There is only shit-mo.
  • Prosto vovochka
    Prosto vovochka 19 January 2013 18: 42
    0
    This is not even a zvizdets, it is a complete p zdets. There are no words for comments ... Some sayings and those consist of profanity.
  • Rus2012
    Rus2012 19 January 2013 20: 15
    +4
    This is true information -
    MOSCOW, 19 Jan - RIA News. The largest exercise of the inter-naval grouping of the Russian Navy in recent decades began on Saturday in the waters of the Black and Mediterranean Seas under the leadership of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the press service of the Ministry of Defense reports.
    "The battleships of the Black Sea, Baltic and Northern fleets are participating in the largest combat training event in recent decades: the guards missile cruiser Moskva, the large anti-submarine ship Severomorsk, the patrol ships Smetlivy, Yaroslav Mudry, and the Saratov large landing ships. , "Azov", "Kaliningrad", "Alexander Shabalin", special ships and support vessels, as well as Long-Range Aviation and 4th Command of the Air Force and Air Defense ", - the report says.

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20130119/918841025.html#13586118489263&message=resi
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    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 19 January 2013 21: 51
      +5
      Quote: Rus2012
      4 command of the Air Force and Air Defense


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  • Shomik
    Shomik 19 January 2013 20: 34
    +4
    With what face, if they have it, will the Western countries with the Turks Arabs look to the Syrians when Assad with the people will restore everything ????
    1. Sandov
      Sandov 19 January 2013 23: 26
      +2
      Shomik,
      They have no face; they have a bestial snout. They will arrange receptions and meetings without any twinge. They need to be beaten very hard, as Kawas said in the body.
    2. stroporez
      stroporez 20 January 2013 13: 16
      +1
      do you want to improve the world ----- kill the liberalist (preferably an amer or shave) fl, it seems to me, the only way. when around the world they start hunting them like mad rats from then they can and they begin to understand shoto. therefore, a slogan like this --- kill amer - make the planet cleaner .........
  • kohah
    kohah 19 January 2013 21: 23
    +4
    In my opinion, the USA and Europe played out with their coups and revolutions

    About a hundred Salafists staged a protest outside the French Embassy in Cairo. They opposed the military intervention of France in Mali.

    “If you are really against terrorism, then why don't you send weapons to Syria to save the Syrian people from Bashar al-Assad?” - it is written on posters.

    Demonstrators declare that Paris is waging war against Islam, hiding behind anti-terrorist slogans:

    “We came here to protest France peacefully. The Egyptian people do not accept what is happening in Mali! I think this is simply outrageous: as soon as Sharia law is introduced in a country, the Western powers, just like France now, start a war against this country. "

    “We stand, of course, in support of the Malian people. We welcome any peace initiatives aimed at reducing tensions. But the consequences of France’s actions will be everywhere. If France continues the war, then the war will go on not only in Mali, but throughout the world. ”

    Mohammed Al-Zawahiri, brother of the current head of al-Qaida, delivered a speech to the audience. Egyptian President Mohammed Mursi condemned intervention in Mali last Monday

    and here's another

    http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1009277
    1. Kuryanin
      Kuryanin 20 January 2013 13: 48
      0
      What are you surprised at? Everything went to Tamu.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 20 January 2013 14: 35
    +2
    In Syria, the same thing happens as in Serbia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, USA and NATO mercenaries are trying to overthrow the legitimate government and put their puppet in the president’s chair.
    If everything worked out before, then why won't it work this time?
    Who in the West now recalls the knowingly dirty lies of the Western media that justified the invasion of sovereign states?
    Western stupid cattle believes in freedom of speech, or rather believes in what they are ordered to.
    Freedom of speech in the West is a blatant lie for money, who pays orders the "news".
  • MuadDib
    MuadDib 21 January 2013 13: 41
    +1
    I watched the documentary "The Syrian Diary" - it really hurt, and when I finished reading this article, I had a desire to join the ranks of the Syrian government forces.
  • Gopnik27
    Gopnik27 24 January 2013 16: 06
    0
    It all started with the beginning of the "financial crisis". There are so many armed conflicts that it seems the "end of the world" is coming soon. War is a lucrative business. And where is the truth, everyone will choose for himself. Everyone has their own truth
  • Cossack23
    Cossack23 24 January 2013 18: 15
    +1
    They were hike at the sunset of their empire, because they lied so much that they themselves do not see where the lies are, but where the truth is. With such ideals you can’t get far, not high-precision weapons solve the war, but faith and moral-volitional qualities.
  • Tagir-abzi
    Tagir-abzi 25 January 2013 10: 11
    0
    And what do the Jews do in comments? shake your stupid rights! Jews in life are traitors! how to communicate with them. it scum still those !!!
  • Natalia
    Natalia 25 January 2013 10: 55
    +3
    It is interesting to listen to the US opinion on terrorism, and how they position themselves as the main adversary of terrorism. Although the events of September 11th, the topic is certainly not convenient for them. The height of cynicism, and this in relation to their citizens, is to send at once to slaughter 3000 of their fellow citizens in order to get carte blanche to invade Afghanistan, and as a result to Iraq. The version especially delivered to the pintagon account when they positioned it as if a passenger Boeing had allegedly flown into it. And when they asked how an airplane could get into such a thin (relatively) hole, to which they replied: yes, it just had wings folded. And this attack covers any others, according to the number of victims, destruction, and special cynicism. They really want to ask questions as little as possible on this subject, now that the whole world has begun to understand the true essence of what has happened.

    And of course, now it’s very inappropriate, for America, Russia has begun to rise from its knees. And again, to conduct some kind of teachings in different parts of the world that they do not like so much. I would even say it’s hindering the rule of the world.

    And of course, now it’s very inappropriate, for America, Russia has begun to rise from its knees. And again, to conduct some kind of teachings in different parts of the world that they do not like so much. I would even say it’s hindering the rule of the world.
    1. Professor
      Professor 25 January 2013 14: 41
      -3
      Not seriously, discuss better whether the Americans flew to the moon? wassat
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 25 January 2013 16: 19
        +3
        Yeah, of course.
        Just two passenger liners accidentally violated the most protected airspace in the world. We will not discuss about the Moon, but you can only say one thing about this truth, and besides, the power is in the truth ... it will be better than the Stalinist repressions. A sort of high-tech terrorist attack .... it especially delivered when they wanted to give out a cruise missile (which flew into the Pintagon) for a passenger liner, even from video surveillance cameras, from the adjacent parking lot it is clear that there an object tens of times smaller than a Boeing falls into the wall.
        1. Professor
          Professor 25 January 2013 17: 52
          -2
          Just two passenger liners accidentally violated the most protected airspace in the world.

          It’s immediately obvious that you have never been to NY, neither to JFK nor to LaGavardia and New Arch. Otherwise, they would not have written such nonsense. Here the plane landed on the Hudson River a hundred meters from the Ground Zero and no one shot it down, nor any air defense wink


          Will we discuss life on Mars?
  • Natalia
    Natalia 25 January 2013 16: 33
    +3
    And most importantly, interestingly, two days after the September 11 terrorist attack, a documentary on this topic was already ready.
    The American policy of double standards is even so childish pranks, the main thing is that they are ready to sacrifice even the lives of their fellow citizens in order to achieve geopolitical goals, and only then argue about human rights and teach us democracy, and parallel with this hang labels who is a terrorist, intervening at the same time in the internal affairs of sovereign states.
    1. Sandov
      Sandov 25 January 2013 18: 39
      +2
      Natalia,
      Respect to you young lady. Actually, you correctly lit everything, there is nothing to add. Russia has always been famous for its women - smart and principled. No wonder you began to troll.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 28 January 2013 09: 27
        +2
        Thank you smile
        Well, actually yes, there are two types of people in this matter: 1. Who know about the real reasons for the events of September 11, but basically do not want to believe it, because, well, to put it mildly (especially for pro-Westerners) lose face and all for that they fought (imposed). 2. People who sincerely believe that they are terrorists, people who are mistaken in this because of the propaganda that has unfolded around this issue in order to hide the truth.