From Su-24 to "54 Object". Unfulfilled projects of "Su" bomber

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The closure of the project T-4, also known as "100" or "Weaving", significantly hit the design bureau. BY. Dry. This organization intended to expand the range of its projects with the help of a new long-range bomber, but a number of economic, technical and, probably, domestic political reasons led to the fact that the Tu-22M project was chosen as a new long-range bomber. Nevertheless, they did not lose heart at the Moscow factory “Kulon” and continued to work on this topic. Thus, the T-4MS project appeared, which in fact was not a modernization of the T-4, but a completely new long-range bomber. However, this project did not receive further development and stopped at the stage of preliminary design work.

From Su-24 to "54 Object". Unfulfilled projects of "Su" bomber
"Weaving"


Probably, the employees of the design bureau understood that the niche of a long-range bomber like the Tu-22M or T-4 was busy and should not be occupied at least for the next few years. For this reason, the management of the design organization came to the conclusion that it was necessary to begin work on deep modernization of the T-6 (Su-24) project. Given the time required for all research and design work, the new medium bomber was to go into the army no earlier than the end of the eighties. In 1981, the T-6BM project was ready, in which only the variable sweep wing remained from the original Su-24. The military became interested in the project, but in leadership aviation The industry decided differently. According to senior officials, it was necessary not to modernize the existing aircraft, but to create a completely new design.

Sioux 24M2


For the next several years, quite active and interesting phenomena were observed around the subject of a new medium bomber. The designation of the project was changed several times, various nuances of the appearance were constantly refined, and possible technical characteristics were adjusted. Over time, the appearance of the aircraft has changed significantly. “Grown up” from the project Su-24 new bomber had to have a large size and take-off weight, as well as a large payload. As an example, we can cite the following fact: the approximate weight of the empty bomber of the new project was approximately equal to the normal take-off mass of the Su-24.

During the preliminary design work a variety of technical solutions were considered. Thus, the T-60 (this designation received the project after the next revision) could have the original design of a variable sweep wing. The TsAGI specialists proposed to completely or as much as possible remove the wing panels under the fuselage at maximum speed. In the future, this idea was preserved only partially, since this concept of the wing was not consistent with the real loads on it. To clean the consoles under the fuselage, they had to be very, very tough, so that when turning, do not rest on the bottom of the fuselage.

Another original idea was the so-called. twin-tube turbojet engines. The alternative name of the system, which more fully reflects its essence, is engines with a variable bypass ratio. Two twin-tube turbofan engines developed by the Rybinsk Engine Building Bureau were to provide the aircraft with calculated thrust at the level of 22000-23000 kgf each. The engine with variable bypass ratio had two modules in its composition, each of which was an independent turbojet engine. The principle of operation of this engine is as follows. The main module through the general air intake injects atmospheric air. In the maximum bypass mode, all the air enters the main module, where it is divided into two streams: one goes to the combustion chamber, the other passes it. To reduce the bypass ratio, special dampers are opened behind the first steps of the main compressor and some of the air is bypassed to the second module. At the same time, the outlet of the second circuit of the first module is closed. Thus, both TRD modules begin to operate in single-loop mode, providing the necessary traction.



Associated with the twin-tube engine story. Engineers-builders managed to build a prototype of such a TRD and even tested it at the stand. However, at a certain stage of construction, the views of the Sukhoi Design Bureau engineers diverged. For the application of new engines required significantly change the layout of the entire aircraft. In addition, there were some problems with its alignment. On some flight modes, due to the particularities of the engine operation, too much displacement of the aerodynamic focus was observed, which entailed negative consequences related to stability, controllability and other flight characteristics.

As a result, the masses of work have determined the characteristics of the future T-60. It is worth noting that even almost three decades after the design work in free access, no reliable images of a promising bomber appeared. All available figures and models are unofficial versions based on existing data. According to the latter, the T-60 with a length of about 37-38 meters should have a wingspan ranging from 37-38 to 20 meters, depending on the flight mode and sweep. The last parameter had to change from 30 ° to 70 °. The dry weight of the T-60 was within 30-32 tons, and with 20000 kg of payload and full refueling, this bomber could reach 85 tons of weight. Estimated maximum speed of the aircraft slightly exceeded 2M, and cruising was slightly less. The design amount of fuel would allow the T-60 bomber to fly a distance of up to 6000 kilometers. At maximum payload, the range was reduced to 2200-2300 km. The breakthrough to the goal was to be carried out at altitudes of the order of 15 kilometers.



In the early stages of the development of the new aircraft, it was assumed that it would carry a load similar in composition to the front-line bomber Su-24. In the future, along with the growth of the size and weight of the T-60, it “acquired” a new nomenclature of weapons. Inside the fuselage was planned to install a drum launcher for cruise missiles, including long-range, as well as airballistic missiles. T-60 could use the X-15, X-55 and X-31 missiles. Probably, the question of equipping a bomber with air-to-air missiles for defense against enemy fighters was considered.

Approximately to the 1982-83 years, the T-60 project reached its apogee. According to the results of many studies, purging and design work, all the pros and cons of the available technical solutions have been clarified. So, in the end, the designers abandoned the idea of ​​a two-pipe engine, which created more problems when working through the layout of the aircraft and its further maintenance. A lot of problems delivered and rotary wing console. As a result, the T-60 project was once again reworked, taking into account the problems that emerged and the prospects for a particular solution.

A further development of the T-60 theme was the T-60C project. As with the original project, little is known about it. It is known that after a series of checks and calculations, the designers decided to abandon the original, but complex and inconvenient in operation, turbojet engines with variable bypass ratio. Instead, T-60 was first proposed to be equipped with two P-79 engines with a load of 18500 kgf each, and then the TR-P-179-300 and AL-41F were considered as a power plant. Another major reworking of the T-60C project was the redesign of the wing. Instead of swiveling consoles, the new bomber should have a fixed delta wing. Simultaneously with the change in the wing design, certain improvements have undergone the entire glider of a promising aircraft. Thus, the total length decreased by 8-9 meters, and the span of the delta wing decreased to 20-25 meters. The bomber weights also decreased accordingly. According to various estimates, its maximum take-off weight was reduced to 70-75 tons, and the payload - to 10-15.



As in the case of the T-60 project, there is no free access to any serious materials regarding the appearance of the T-60C aircraft. All existing drawings and 3D models were created much later, based on general information fragments that were shared. The lack of normal data on the T-60 and T-60C projects sometimes leads to the consequences of a fantastic look. Thus, in a number of sources it is seriously argued that a plasma invisibility system was developed specifically for these aircraft in one of the defense research institutes. No one argues with the existence of the theoretical possibility of creating a plasma "shell" around the aircraft, which will jam the signal of enemy radar stations. However, thirty years after the start of work on the T-60 bomber, no country in the world presented a ready-made and workable model of such a system suitable for practical use.

A few years after the start of work on projects of the T-60 family, tentatively in the mid-eighties, Sukhoi Design Bureau began developing another bomber, which is a further development of both the T-60 and T-60C. The “54 Object” had the same goals as its predecessors, but it was significantly different in design and on-board equipment. In the 54 project, the designers again returned to the idea of ​​a variable sweep wing. In addition, in size this aircraft was similar to the previous T-60. Due to the use of an integral layout, reducing the length of the aircraft and the wing span of an 2-3 meter did not lead to a loss in take-off weight. On the contrary, the 54 bomber was significantly heavier than the first T-60. With a dry weight in 50 tons, the maximum take-off weight was approximately equal to one hundred tons, of which 15 accounted for.

The smaller payload of the 54 Object was due to the flight range. Thanks to two AL-41F engines with a load of up to 20000 kgf, each “54” was supposed to fly to a distance of up to 11 thousands of kilometers. The maximum speed of the prospective bomber would be 2100 km / h. It is noteworthy that the calculated characteristics of the range of the "Object 54" significantly exceeded the parameters of the T-60. Even with the increased fuel consumption inherent in flying at supersonic speeds, the “54” could fly more than the T-60 in optimal modes.




According to reports, the creation of the project "54" took into account the possibility of reducing radar and infrared visibility. Instead of fantastic plasma generators, it was proposed to appropriately assemble the most visible units, for example, to close the blades of the engine compressors with special partitions. In addition, composite materials were widely used in the design.

Despite the lower weight, the payload of the 54 aircraft was almost entirely consistent with the T-60 armament. In the fuselage cargo compartment was planned to place launchers for 4-6 missiles, including a drum launcher. The nomenclature of weapons "Object 54" consistent with the draft T-60. To ensure the combat work, a new bomber was planned to be equipped with a complex of onboard electronic equipment B004 "Predator". It consisted of a radar station with a phased antenna array, a television and thermal imaging system, communications equipment and electronic warfare. It is noteworthy that in the mid-eighties, the issue of equipping the cockpit with displays for displaying all the necessary information was seriously considered.

In the later stages of the development of the “54 Object” (sometimes the project at this stage is indicated by the “54С” index), the aircraft design underwent several other changes. First of all, the original engine nozzles should be noted. To reduce visibility in the infrared range, the 54 should have been fitted with flat-nozzle engines. There is information about the existence of a flying laboratory based on the Su-27 fighter, the native left engine of which received the original nozzle, which was a rectangular cross-sectional design with two movable panels. Details of the test are unknown.



According to some sources, the main work on flat-nozzle engines began after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the 54С aircraft was created during this period. In addition, there is information about the temporary cessation of all work on a bomber subject that occurred in the early nineties. If this information is true, then at the beginning of the nineties the project “54” was closed, and after a while, on its basis, a new “54C” was made. Anyway, so far information about the T-60 and 54 project family has much smaller volumes than we would like.

The lack of information, among other things, has led to reflections and speculations about the further fate of the projects. In a number of sources it is mentioned that in the first half of the nineties at the Novosibirsk aircraft factory, preparatory work was carried out for the construction of an experimental specimen of some promising bomber. Perhaps it was the very "Object 54С" or its layout. Rumors about the layout of the layout or aircraft at the moment are the latest information about the projects T-60 and «54». Probably, all projects of this direction were closed or, at least, frozen, as they say, until better times. Perhaps in the future, the developments on these projects will become the basis for new domestic long-range bombers, but so far in the context of the existing project PAK DA (Advanced Aviation Complex of Long-Range Aviation) T-60 and “Object 54” have not been mentioned.


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  1. rolik
    +17
    21 January 2013 10: 05
    So where did the Americans get their stealth from the movie of the same name. Here it is —SU 54. The fantasy completely stopped working for the guys. Very interesting aircraft, especially interesting solution for variable sweep (wing, so to speak, retracts into the fuselage.
    1. +5
      21 January 2013 13: 24
      Exactly!

      In addition to the reverse sweep - it all fits together.
      1. rolik
        +3
        21 January 2013 14: 01
        Quote: lelikas
        In addition to the reverse sweep - it all fits together.

        Well, with Sukhoi's forward sweep, everything is also in order. "Berkut".
    2. +5
      21 January 2013 21: 23
      rolik: So that's where the Americans got their stealth from the movie of the same name.
      1. +5
        21 January 2013 21: 51
        "Ladybug"
        1. +1
          22 January 2013 10: 53
          Quote: Simple
          "Ladybug"


          Chez word blunders!
          1. +2
            22 January 2013 15: 35
            Of course, Lerota is another matter how much it costs, As the country of advice was not scolded in the production of any product, the cost of the entire series of the project was, Anyone understands that the new product is not only a breakthrough in technology but a breakthrough in industry that this product will be produced, and if it is narrowly specialized, even more so , Amount, if I remember exactly the trillion immediately put an end to the hundredth, Tupolev offered a smaller amount for the series for her and grabbed and SWAN was born - a beautiful car, Money was also considered then, Another thing was not looked into far, And you have to give credit it was real competition of design bureaus and ideas, And closed ideas can only be amazed at the genius of our engineers and designers, We need to remove the headgear in front of their memory,
            1. Wolkin
              +3
              22 January 2013 16: 53
              You +
              An airplane is, first of all, the result of the work of science and fundamental, too, of technology, of production. Without a powerful science, without a powerful, well-established production, without competent, highly educated workers and engineers, without a mass of additional industries, a good aircraft cannot be born. Great country - great planes.
  2. 0
    21 January 2013 10: 15
    So what should a new century bomber be like? The article has more historical nuances.
  3. 0
    21 January 2013 10: 21
    Something, but dry people know how to make really beautiful cars, "product 54" simply won over.
  4. wolland
    +6
    21 January 2013 10: 25
    The Americans, all their adult life, have been using stolen, plagiarized, bought for dirty money USSR technologies, this is how it was from time immemorial, when not one of their "purely" American technologies has a well-developed future. They lured our developers to their place, campaigned, bought. At the level of mentality, Americans are deprived of, in terms of mental abilities, a race, which is what our Russian soul uses.
    1. mamba
      +8
      21 January 2013 12: 38
      Quote: Wolland
      Americans, all their lives have been using stolen, plagiarized, bought for dirty money USSR technologies, it has been like that from time immemorial, when not one of their "purely" American technologies has a well-developed future. They lured our developers to their place, campaigned, bought. At the level of mentality, Americans are deprived, by mental abilities a race

      They say about the same thing about us, making our lips a frying pan. In fact, everyone is hiding secrets from each other, which saves significant money and time, and also does not repeat other people's mistakes. That's why there is technical intelligence that supplies ready-made ideas and devices for developers. And then it turns out that the requirements of our PP to surpass branded devices in new developments are overstated. Those. The parameters of branded devices, declared as working, are extremely achievable and are not confirmed by any reliability at all.
      1. 916-th
        +10
        21 January 2013 19: 06
        Wolland: Americans, all their conscious lives, used the USSR technologies stolen, haggled, bought with dirty money

        In vain you are so unfounded! Original American developments:
        - fighters F-4 "Phantom", F-14 "Tomket", YF-23
        - attack aircraft A-10 "Thunderbolt"
        - scouts U-2, SR-71
        - bombers FB-111, B-52, XB-70 "Valkyrie", B-2
        - tiltrotor V-22 "Osprey".

        The list goes on. I prefer a potential adversary to evaluate objectively.
        1. rolik
          +2
          21 January 2013 20: 10
          Quote: 916
          attack aircraft A-10 "Thunderbolt"

          The creators of Thunderbolt are by no means Americans, but the bright heads of Russian designers.
          Alexander Mikhailovich Kartveli (Kartvelishvili) (September 9, 1896, Tiflis - July 20, 1974, New York). Artillery officer of the Russian Imperial Army. World War I. Emigration to France. After graduating from the Paris Flight School, Kartveli was hired as a test pilot at the well-known Bleriot company. Accident, long treatment, work as an aircraft designer at Societte Idustrielle. An unexpected invitation to the United States, where a chance acquaintance with Alexander Seversky took place - from this moment the career of a young aircraft designer goes up.
          Alexander Prokofiev-Seversky (24 May 1894, Tiflis - 24 August 1974, New York) - the legendary “Meresyev” of the First World War, cavalier of the Cross of St. George, sea pilot who lost his leg during a combat departure, but returned to service again. After the revolution, he emigrated to the USA, where he established the company Seversky Aircraft (the future Republic Aviation). At the same time he held the posts of president, designer and test pilot; his fellow countryman, talented Georgian aircraft designer Alexander Kartveli became the chief engineer.
          In 1939 there was a discord - under the pressure of circumstances Seversky left the business, becoming the leading adviser to the Air Force. Kartveli, on the contrary, continued to develop aviation technology, and achieved significant success in this field. His assets of the F-84 Thunderjet are interesting, first of all, from a technical point of view - the world's first fighter with a refueling system in the air, the first fighter carrier of nuclear weapons. “Thunderstrike” did not gain much fame, it was quietly and peacefully operated in different countries until the beginning of the 70s, chronically suffering from increased corrosion. F-105 “Thunderchief” (“Thunderer”), which received the shorter and more savory name “Tad” (“thug”) in the army. The machine is curious in every sense - this is perhaps the heaviest single-engine aircraft in the history of aviation. Normal take-off weight is 22 tons!
        2. rolik
          +1
          22 January 2013 14: 32
          Quote: 916
          tiltrotor V-22 "Osprey".

          KB Mila made a tiltrotor in 1972, much earlier than amers. He bore the Mi30 mark. Unfortunately, however, due to the ongoing restructuring, the propeller plane did not enter production.
          The Germans tried to make it in 1938, but with the outbreak of war the work was stopped. And even earlier, In the prewar years in the USSR, at the Air Force Engineering Academy and the Moscow Aviation Institute, under the leadership of B. N. Yuryev (author of the famous Yuryev helicopter swashplate), a lot of conceptual projects of helicopters-airplanes were put forward, including as projects of various convertiplanes , and projects of various flying saucers (curiously, Yuryev put forward his first draft of a flying saucer back in 1921). True, among all these projects, “helicopter-airplanes” mainly dominated at that time, projects of aircraft with a vertical take-off position (that is, before take-off the plane is rotated 90 degrees vertically, then, when it takes off in a helicopter it rotates 90 degrees and flies in an airplane). As for the convertibles, as an example of Yuryev’s projects, one can cite the concept of a biplane of a tandem scheme between whose wings there should have been a pair of rotary screws. There was also a draft rotorcraft in the literal sense of the word, which was supposed to have rotors located inside the wing. The closest to the classic convertiplanes was the 1934 project - the Sokol fighter with a rotary wing and a pair of propellers in gondolas, in other words having a classic look for both tilting and fighters of that era (with the exception of gondolas at the ends of the wing and the absence of a propeller on nose that looks like La-5). What is curious, despite the classic appearance, the gondolas did not carry engines under the project, and the engine (despite the appearance of the fighter of that era) should have been located behind the pilot's back. None of the projects of "helicopter-airplanes" Yuryev, was never implemented, and in the best case, the projects reached only blowing models in the wind tunnel
          1. Windbreak
            +1
            22 January 2013 18: 46
            Quote: rolik
            KB Mila made a tiltrotor in 1972, much earlier than amers.
            in 1972, only the Mi-30 project was developed. And it didn’t come to a full-fledged operating machine. Bell Helicopter was developed by Bell XV-15 since 1973. And this machine made its first flight in 1977.
            1. rolik
              0
              23 January 2013 11: 22
              Quote: rolik
              due to the onset of perestroika, the propeller plane did not enter production.
              /
              This device would be ready if not for two friends - Mezhenny and EBN. Milevtsy were on the verge of launching a series. And this is not the whole list of what was simply killed by these two friends.
    2. -2
      21 January 2013 20: 00
      do not wishful thinking.
    3. -1
      21 January 2013 23: 34
      Unfortunately great, but you're wrong, and for some reason it seems to me that you yourself know this.
      You would have also dragged the auto industry here!
    4. -2
      22 January 2013 12: 13
      All Amer aviation of Russian origin! their helicopters have not yet learned to do! Sikorsky lost in vain!
    5. +2
      22 January 2013 15: 58
      You can’t offend Americans like that, It’s a really technically advanced society, We can only dream about many things that they have the norm, There was another technically advanced nation, but after the war it lost its Academy of Sciences, These are Germans, We worked all our life with hope tomorrow better, And they immediately try to introduce something into the fact that everyone can feel and use these fruits of geniuses, Everyone knocks on the clave and completely forgot whose invention this is (the Internet), You can’t treat Americans like that, It's just that they don’t hurry at the top to give what we have developments, A very small group of people know about them, what they did, designed, and who gives money for this, that’s where the so-called volitional decisions take place,
  5. John from the USA
    0
    21 January 2013 10: 48
    Probably PAK-Da will be a large fuselage aircraft similar to the above figures.
    Indirect data confirm this.
    1. +3
      21 January 2013 11: 15
      What does the large fuselage mean? There are wide-body (IL-86 / 96 example). There is already information that the basis for PAK-DA will be the Tu-160. And that means we will see, at least, the familiar outlines of a swan. Although, the glider may be partially reworked.
      1. John from the USA
        0
        21 January 2013 14: 14
        Glider Tu-160 is small for promising cruise missiles

        large fuselage - of course wide-bodied
        1. FID
          +5
          21 January 2013 14: 56
          Widebody - easily noticeable. Why is the Tu-160 glider small? For which promising cruise missiles is it small? Promising cruise missiles are made under existing carriers, and not vice versa. These are only submarines built under missiles. In aviation, it’s different.
          1. 916-th
            0
            21 January 2013 19: 09
            These are only submarines built under missiles. In aviation, it’s different.

            In aviation - for engines
          2. 0
            22 January 2013 20: 34
            Quote: SSI
            For which promising cruise missiles is it small

            Perhaps John plans to place the missiles not along but across the bomb-gate, then they will fit many times more. laughing
  6. tolan777
    +2
    21 January 2013 12: 03
    Handsome aircraft, I hope PAK-DA will incorporate all the best from this development!
  7. +2
    21 January 2013 12: 27
    Quote: Wedmak
    There is already information that the basis for PAK-DA will be the Tu-160.

    What is the point, would it not be easier to call it a deep modernization? PAK YES will be a new aircraft, with a unique glider - information has passed that most likely it will be a flying wing.
    1. +1
      21 January 2013 12: 39
      The point is cost savings. Any breakthrough in DA will be only with the creation of an aerospace system. Redo the glider, put new engines, avionics, expand the range of weapons - get a new aircraft YES.
      PAK YES will be a new aircraft, with a unique glider - information has passed that most likely it will be a flying wing.

      Share the link? I would like to read. The Americans already have one flying wing ... only now most of the work of their YES is done by the old B-52. For some reason .. wink
      1. Tjumenec72
        0
        21 January 2013 14: 47
        Duc against the Papuans more effective and cheaper)
        1. +1
          21 January 2013 15: 07
          Well, of course it's hard to argue. B-2 has not yet lit up on any serious theater. Seriously - this is where normal air defense is. It’s interesting to touch it with a radar.
      2. +1
        21 January 2013 20: 46
        http://www.paralay.com/pakda.html
        One can only speculate about a promising bomber, there are a lot of rumors, but what will happen ...? About V-2, this aircraft has huge problems, it is too expensive even for Americans, but these problems are not in the airframe, but in the engines and coating technology (stealth technology) The scheme of a flying wing, as a delivery platform, is considered the best for bombers.
  8. SEM
    SEM
    +1
    21 January 2013 12: 31
    So much for the new Bomber, to correct a bit with the latest aerodynamics, the new materials and equipment used, the engines and inadvertently invent everything that was already invented by the Soviet aircraft school)))
    1. +2
      21 January 2013 12: 42
      Are you talking about object 54? This is just a paper "prototype". How many of these options go through the design bureau before you see the plane in hardware, one chief designer knows. And not everyone has the necessary characteristics, despite their external aesthetics.
  9. -1
    21 January 2013 12: 39
    What more benefit or harm from Tupolev, when he screwed up the "hundred", dispersed the Myasishchev design bureau and did a lot of "good"?
    1. +3
      21 January 2013 12: 46
      Tupolev personally chopped an ax with a hundred? Overclocked Myasishchev Design Bureau?
      The competition of the design bureau is good, but at that time, politics also intervened. And many projects were cut off simply for political and even personal reasons.
    2. +3
      21 January 2013 13: 25
      "Sotku" was killed rather by its price tag - even with all the well-being - they would not have pulled it.
      1. FID
        +7
        21 January 2013 15: 01
        Sotku was killed by a titan. At that time, the "Goldfish" nuclear submarine of project 661 was still under construction. Titan was either there or here. But the boat was too good, it left torpedoes under water. But the price was ...
        1. +2
          21 January 2013 15: 10
          But in the end, this boat really turned out to be golden. This project gave way to less speedy, but quieter submarines.
          1. FID
            +4
            21 January 2013 15: 36
            And they spat on "Sotku". Expensive (like "goldfish").
        2. Alex 241
          +3
          21 January 2013 15: 40
          Hi Seryozha. In July 1961, a scientific and technical council was held at which the results of the competition were summarized. The first to report Tupolev Design Bureau. The “Project 135” was completely defeated: the aircraft turned out to be too heavy (take-off weight of 190 tons) and did not pass according to speed indicators - a cruising speed of 2500 km / h instead of the required 3000 km / h. The Tupolev protection system was built in terms of saving public funds: it is more profitable to build one type of universal, especially the already developed aircraft - “Product 135”. He could solve both strategic tasks, including nuclear strikes on the territory of the United States, and the tasks of long-range naval aviation.

          The second about his "project Yak-35" reported Alexander Yakovlev. The aircraft resembled the American B-58 Hustler and Myasishchevsky M-52, had a take-off weight of 84, the cruising speed of 3300 was km / h. At the end, Yakovlev attacked the patriarch of bomber aviation: “Andrei Nikolayevich suggests staying on aluminum. This means regression in aircraft technology. We do not do anything new, but we need to move forward and develop new materials - titanium, steel. The Tupolev Design Bureau simply slows down the progress of aviation! ”Tupolev jumped up and shouted:“ Boy, what do you understand in steel? I worked with steel planes when you went under the table! Do you want to ruin the country? ”Yakovlev said nothing.
          1. Alex 241
            +3
            21 January 2013 15: 40
            Then Pavel Sukhoi presented his T-4 (“100”) aircraft project. The machine, like the Yak-35, met the requirements of the Air Force. The final conclusions decided to do after the next meeting of the Council in September 1961 of the year. Andrei Tupolev, on an emergency basis, gave the command to prepare the 125 aircraft for the competition, being developed to replace the Tu-22. But "125-ka" was originally created for other performance characteristics and speeds up to 2500 km / h. Tupolev did not have time to remake it under 3000 km / h. Therefore, at the second scientific and technical council, the “125 project” did not pass for exactly the same reasons that 135 was rejected. The winner was the project of Sukhoi. After some time, Peter Dementiev, Chairman of the State Commission on Aviation Engineering, came to the Sukhoi Design Bureau and directly asked Pavel Osipovich to abandon the project in favor of Tupolev and give him all the materials: “This topic belongs to Tupolev. “Sorry,” answered Sukhoi, “but I won the contest, not Andrei Nikolayevich. Therefore, I will not give up the topic. " After some time, Tupolev himself called Sukhoi: “Pasha, you can make good fighters, but the bombers do not. This topic is mine, give up. " "Just because I can make good fighters, I will make a good bomber," snapped
            Dry. Such stubbornness did not add to the designer friends in the industry.
            1. Alex 241
              +2
              21 January 2013 15: 43
              The Tushinsky Machine-Building Plant (TMZ), which built an experimental batch of seven aircraft for the Sukhoi Design Bureau, could not mass-produce them, especially in the quantities ordered. The only plant that could master such an order is Kazan Aviation. In Kazan, training has begun training equipment for the production of the newest bomber. This meant that the Tupolev Design Bureau lost its main production base. Neither Tupolev himself, nor his patron, Minister of Aviation Industry Peter Dementiev could allow this to happen. Under the pretext of releasing a modified version of the Tu-22 (and in fact, a completely new Tu-22M), Sukhoi was “squeezed out” from the Kazan plant.

              In the meantime, the second stage of testing began. 22 On January 1974, the tenth flight of the "weave" took place, on which the T-4 reached an altitude of 12 km and a speed of M = 1,36. At this stage, it was supposed to bring the speed up to 3000 km / h (M = 2,8) and start testing the 102 machine with a standard set of radio equipment.

              Sukhoi was offered to build the first 50 aircraft at the Tushino Machine-Building Plant, suggesting to completely rebuild it, which was unlikely due to lack of funds. But Dementiev deprived Sukhoi of this small chance. At a regular meeting with the Minister of Defense, he persuaded him to close the T-4 program, deploying the production of wings for the newest Soviet fighter MiG-23 at TMZ. Grechko agreed, and in March 1974, all work on the tests of the T-4 stopped without explanation.

              Until his death 15 September 1975, Pavel Sukhoi did not receive an exhaustive answer about the reasons for the freezing of the T-4 project. Only
              28 January 1976 of the year issued an order of the Ministry of Aviation Industry under the number 38, which closed the work on the program "products 100». By the same order, Peter Dementiev designated the reason: “In order to concentrate forces and funds on the creation of the Tu-160 aircraft”.

              The 101 aircraft was sent to eternal parking at the Moninsky Museum, where it remains to this day. In the 1976 year, after the order was issued, the Sukhoi Design Bureau presented an estimate of the cost of the T-4 aircraft, which at the prices of that time amounted to a fantastic amount of 1,3 billion rubles. There was a noise in the government, but this last surge of emotions along the "weave" led to nothing.
              1. Alex 241
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                21 January 2013 15: 44
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                1. FID
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                  21 January 2013 15: 53
                  Hi Sasha! Politics, politics, politics .... But the titanium case ....

                  The closure of the project is associated with several problems (none of them is confirmed, but not refuted, it is possible that all problems were present at the same time):
                  Further changes in the technical requirements for the machine and the load of the Sukhoi Design Bureau with the development of the T-10, although the designers of the Sukhoi presented a new T-4MS project for the new requirements.
                  The Air Force and the defense department of the Central Committee of the CPSU considered the project unpromising.
                  Sukhoi Design Bureau did not have production facilities for conducting advanced state tests of the T-4. The Tushino Machine-Building Plant, the base for the design bureau, could not pull such an order; the proposed Kazan Aviation Plant was not handed over to Sukhoi. As soon as a decree began to be prepared on the preparation of the Kazan Aviation Plant for the assembly of the installation batch of T-4, Tupolev, realizing that it was losing the serial plant at which the Tu-22 was manufactured, came up with an initiative proposal to create its modification of the Tu-22M, for which, supposedly, it was necessary to slightly re-profile production. Although, in the future, the Tu-22M was developed as a completely new aircraft, the decision to transfer the Kazan plant to Sukhoi was not made at one time.
                  The plane turned out to be a very expensive, but still a lifting project due to the latest Sukhoi Design Bureau technology to reduce titanium waste in production and its welding, which other enterprises could not do then. In addition, the T-4 was not required to be mass produced.
                  In 1969, the Air Force introduced new tactical and technical requirements for a promising multi-mode strategic aircraft. At that time, the T-4 being developed by its LTX did not meet these requirements, so work began on the Sukhoi Design Bureau on the version of the aircraft with a variable sweep wing - T-4M. Then the T-4MS project (“product 200”) was developed, which was significantly different from the original T-4. In 1972, the T-4MS participated in the competition for a new strategic bomber, but the project M-18 of the Myasishchev Design Bureau was recognized as the best.
                  1. Alex 241
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                    21 January 2013 15: 57
                    Yes, Seryozha, it was a combination of reasons, internal intrigues, and led to such a finale. As usual, we will figure it out and punish anyone horribly.
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                21 January 2013 16: 03
                Hello Sasha ! You, as always, bring wonderful info, thanks !!! It is a pity that even at that time, undercover games buried such wonderful planes ...
                1. Alex 241
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                  21 January 2013 16: 14
                  Hello Kohl, it's just that "SOTKA" is an interesting and endless topic! Huge number of implementations For the first time in the country, a stabilized frequency AC power supply system and a DC secondary system on rectifying devices were installed on the T-4. A new closed-type evaporative air conditioning system was also designed using fuel as the primary refrigerant to create the necessary temperature conditions in the pressurized cabin and equipment compartments. Many unconventional new solutions also took place in the design of the landing devices: turning and tilting the main support bogie with one cylinder, two-chamber shock absorbers with an anti-overload valve, twin pneumatics, fly-by-wire steering of the front wheels, and so on.

                  At first, the T-4 was sung the praises of the military-industrial complex and the MAP, work on it was called a priority, which helped to solve our national problems. The Air Force's application for the construction of aircraft for the five-year plan (1970-1975) provided for the construction of 250 T-4 aircraft at the Kazan Avizavod. Once the Chief Marshal of Aviation P. Kutakhov, getting out of the cockpit after inspecting the plane, exclaimed: "A real Russian miracle." The T-4 was capable of hitting ground and surface targets at a distance of up to 3 km. equipment and control, a unique aircraft!
                  1. Alex 241
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                    21 January 2013 16: 16
                    In 1967, the military again "remembered" about strategic aviation. A new competition was announced for a multipurpose intercontinental strike and reconnaissance aircraft. The impetus was the decision of the United States to develop the AMSA project (Advanced Manned Strategic Aircraft - an advanced manned strategic aircraft) - the future B-1. In 1970, the Sukhoi Design Bureau created a project for a new aircraft, called the T-4MS. The aircraft received the code - "product 200" - by analogy with "weaving" because of the take-off weight approaching 200 tons. The new bomber had a supporting fuselage, from the contours of which only engine nacelles, low-flying units, rotary wing consoles and two-keel vertical tail protruded. This arrangement made it possible to achieve high aerodynamic quality indicators, and the large fuselage volumes ensured the necessary fuel supply and optimally positioned equipment. Swivel wing consoles could change sweep from 30 to 72 degrees. The car was supposed to be equipped with four NK-101 engines with a thrust of 20 tf each, which had a variable bypass ratio. Despite the potentially high technical level, the T-4MS remained on paper.
                    1. FID
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                      21 January 2013 16: 22
                      This is the Su-54S. I saw him in Zhukovsky. But, in my opinion, he did not reach the air.
                      1. Alex 241
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                        21 January 2013 16: 27
                        Thirty years later (!) The Americans came up with the same technical solutions for space affairs with their X-33 project, but they didn’t pull it ...
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                      21 January 2013 16: 23
                      Beautiful birds, it’s a pity that they have such a fate .... After all, they are planes like people, they have a soul, character .... It seems to me that everything that has been achieved should be embodied in PAK YES, unless again, of course, the pulling of the blanket begins. ..
                      1. FID
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                        21 January 2013 16: 42
                        Hello Nikolay! We live in an era of continuous tug, but what is there tug - weaning of the blanket. PAK YES - what words they came up with. Strategic bomber, long range bomber ... sounds better. And then they begin to talk about creating a "platform for delivery ...." Innovators, their mother ....
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                        21 January 2013 17: 02
                        Good day, Sergey ! Sorry, I didn't say hello right away ... somehow the topic caught on ... Well, as for the "competence" of ministerial workers, I remember in the mid-80s we drove one of our products to the Ministry of Aviation Industry, so I accidentally witnessed a "funeral" ... At Kazan Motor-building began to produce an outboard motor "Start" seems to be 60 hp. and in all respects he was not inferior to the western engine, then they wrote a lot about him ... Well, some kind of thoroughbred "uncle" casually threw evil to someone: "... but why is he needed ??? this story ended ... I understand that an airplane and an outboard motor are different things, but it says a lot ...
                      3. 916-th
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                        21 January 2013 19: 45
                        SSI: And then they start talking about creating a "delivery platform ...." Fuck innovators ....

                        My "delivery platforms" evoke associations with a flying carpet
                2. 916-th
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                  21 January 2013 19: 32
                  Sniper: It is a pity that even at that time, undercover games buried such wonderful planes ...

                  "Sotka" was buried ... but the Tu-144 was born.
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                    21 January 2013 19: 45
                    Quote: 916
                    But the Tu-144 was born.

                    Well, somehow it’s not a completely equivalent replacement .... and his fate is not much better ... alas ...
                    1. 916-th
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                      21 January 2013 20: 15
                      Sniper: and his fate is not much better ...

                      Stepfather is not a father ...
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                    22 January 2013 16: 55
                    It’s all the sense that he was born, How much the airport could take him to, It became a nonsense for Aeroflot, And the airfield equipment and a lot of things, Yes, and financing was much better, He just got ahead of the whole system called Aeroflot and airfield equipment, Just the infrastructure they like to say with a smart look now at that time I wasn’t ready, because we didn’t build them and quickly wore out the existing ones, to quickly write off and not have a bunt when this car is in the sky, But it’s beautiful,
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    21 January 2013 13: 04
    Well, sorry that I did not see such a machine live. A very beautiful plane, and I think that it could be with the same characteristics that no one dreamed of ...
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      21 January 2013 20: 06
      I think if he were so good, they would not have been beaten to him, but brought to production.
  11. 916-th
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    21 January 2013 20: 12
    A bit out of topic, but ...
    T-50-4 with two landings in Abakan and Chelyabinsk overcame 7 thousand kilometers. In the pictures before take-off in Komsomolsk-on-Amur:
    1. 916-th
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      21 January 2013 20: 20
      In continuation:
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      22 January 2013 16: 57
      Bon voyage to this product,

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