The sixth US fleet could not break through to the coast of Syria

The invincible and legendary Sixth Fleet of the U.S. Navy hastily left the Mediterranean when approaching the Syrian coast of the Russian naval group. Actually, the Sixth Fleet itself and its commander, Vice Admiral Craig Pandolf, have not gone away - they are still in the zone of responsibility entrusted to them, listed in all operational reports and financial reports. At the numerous Mediterranean bases of the Sixth fleet life also flows in the usual mode - work orders, dismissal, perimeter security, painting fences, theft of property, unpaid bills for electricity, gas and fresh water.

Another thing is that the ships of the Sixth Fleet strangely disappeared from the Mediterranean Sea!
There is a fleet, but there are no ships, you will surely be surprised - Is this possible?

Yes, perhaps, if we are talking about the US Navy. Unlike the structure of the Russian Navy, where each fleet has an unchanged list of ships assigned to it, including its flagship (Northern Fleet - TARKR Peter the Great, Baltic Fleet — Destroyer destroyer, Black Sea Fleet — GRKR Moscow, Pacific - RKR "Varyag"), the concept of "fleet" for the US Navy - no more than a sphere of responsibility. It is impossible to give a specific answer to the request: “Show the ships of the Sixth Fleet” - the fleet composition changes almost daily. Here is a quantum mechanics!

For example, any carrier strike group that has passed the Strait of Gibraltar is automatically assigned the designation Task Force 60 (60 Operational Connection) and AUG is transformed into the main strike force of the Sixth Fleet. And the commander of the carrier group, respectively, receives the post of commander of the Operational Force 60, and is now directly responsible for the situation in the Mediterranean.

Following this logic, each assault helicopter carrier and its escort, which entered the Mediterranean waters, are designated Task Force 61. Now they are the main amphibious forces of the Sixth Fleet.
Any squadron of destroyers in the Mediterranean is transformed into DESRON SIX ZERO (or simply “the 60 squadron”), the destroyers are gone — the 60’s mines squadron is disbanded.

How do the Americans manage not to get entangled in this whirlpool and not accidentally lose their six dozen destroyers in the expanses of the World Ocean? Imagine such a conversation on the sidelines of the Pentagon:

- Where is the destroyer "John Paul Jones"?

“Last year he was seen off the coast of Jamaica ...”

- Damn, he was supposed to arrive in Norfolk in September. Where is he gone?

A "John Paul Jones" quietly rusting in the harbor of Pearl Harbor, in anticipation of a new order, which, perhaps, will send him to the coast of Greenland.

Three things help to avoid such a mess: a specific home port for each ship (standard and mandatory world practice), a rather fuzzy division into Atlantic and Pacific command, and, most importantly, regardless of the number of the fleet, American ships are kept in permanent divisions, combat groups and carrier strike groups.

Refueling at full speed

For many years, any aircraft carrier usually has an unchanged list of its escort ships and a clear composition of the wing with permanent squadrons, which are sometimes assigned to this aircraft carrier for decades. And nothing else.
For example, the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln, together with the Cape St. George missile cruiser, four Aegis destroyers (Sterret, Hesley, Momsen and Shoup), and a number of auxiliary ships and frigates form the “combat aircraft carrier group №9 ".

Based on this concept, each of the six American fleets constantly has in its composition (i.e., in its area of ​​responsibility) one or several carrier strike groups, amphibious groups or divisions of destroyers from which the fleet is formed. Ships come and go, but their number always remains the same.

And so — noticing the Russian squadron on the horizon, most of the American ships hurried to leave the zone of the Sixth Fleet, leaving the Mediterranean frontier of NATO, sorry, with a bare bottom. Speaking in Russian - the Sixth Fleet ceased to exist, remaining only in the form of paper instructions and empty berths of the Mediterranean bases.

History This is not new - according to a similar scenario, the brave British sailors acted, who, having barely received information about the German battleship Tirpitz entering the sea, threw the unarmed transports of the PQ-17 convoy to their fate and shamefully fled on a 30-junction passage. It is significant that the British squadron, at least, was not inferior to German ships and even had an advantage due to the presence of a deck aviation. The death of the PQ-17 convoy laid a shameful spot on the entire history of the British Navy.

So it happened this time: a middle-aged rocket cruiser, a pair of large anti-submarine ships, four amphibious ships with full holds of “black towers”, a small frigate and a patrol ship, laid back in the distant 1966 year, drove away from the coast of Syria all of the “probable enemy” ", Tearing down the already prepared plans for an armed invasion. American sailors are seriously afraid of the Russian Navy - they have long understood that when the shells run out, our ships will break through their side, as happened in the Black Sea.

On a long hike

Let's see for fun who confronted a small Russian squadron:

Nuclear-powered aircraft carrier "Dwight Eisenhower" - a clot of combat matter weighing 100 thousand tons; invincible monster capable of striking the enemy at a distance of a thousand kilometers and explore the entire surface of the Mediterranean Sea in a day. Two Westinghouse reactors, unlimited autonomy for fuel reserves. The displacement of a huge ship is twice the total displacement of all the ships of the Russian group.

The main argument of the slaughter machine is 70 ... 80 aircraft of various purposes, capable of dumping tons of ammunition from the vast cellars of a super-aircraft carrier on the heads of 1900 enemies. State-of-the-art equipment, radar and supercomputers, a plant for seawater desalination, catapults, ammunition elevators, aerofinishers and aircraft lifters, heavy booking, unique fire extinguishing systems, giant storages and cold stores, nearly six thousand crew members.

1 December 2012 of the Year “Dwight Eisenhower” arrived in the eastern part of the Mediterranean. 13 December 2012, the invincible aircraft carrier Dwight Eisenhower, unexpectedly said goodbye to everyone, and a bullet flew out of the Mediterranean, heading for Norfolk's home base.
According to the official version, the ship was taken away to defuse the tense situation in this region. Hmm ... why are the Americans afraid of the "tense situation" ?! In my opinion, their entire policy is aimed at creating tensions around the world.

After the escaped “Eisenhower”, Turkish politicians looked sadly at themselves, and now they will have to resolve the situation on the border with Syria on their own.

Universal amphibious assault ship docking "Iwo Jima". A huge barge, comparable in displacement and capabilities with the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov." Onboard the Iwo Jima are thirty aircraft: vertical take-off attack aircraft, heavy transport helicopters and convertible planes, and a squadron of attack helicopters. Down below the flight deck are hidden accommodations designed to accommodate 2000 marines. Even lower - decks for the transport of armored vehicles. And at the waterline level there is a dock filled with water, in which there are three ready-made amphibious assault ships.

Two weeks of "Iwo Jima", overloaded with military equipment, it is important to spur Syrian waters, but barely seeing small Russian BDK, rushed to the West, rolling over and puffing on the 23-node course.

Together with the Eisenhower aircraft carrier, his personal guardian left the Syrian waters - the Hue City missile cruiser with full Tomahawk cellars prepared for the shelling of Syrian cities. The most modern ship, equipped with the all-seeing Aegis system and 122 launchers for launching any type of missile in service with the US Navy. But no modern technology has saved the Americans from the fierce fear of the Russian squadron. And a quarter of a century ago, the Yorktown rocket cruiser, similar in design to Hue City, returned from a Black Sea cruise with destroyed deck flooring and broken sides. Although it would seem - just tried to get closer to Sevastopol ... And then - the whole Syria, the Russian sailors of what good will be cut in half with an impact ram.

In addition to the missile cruiser, in the retinue of the American super-aircraft carrier there were three destroyers of URO of the Orly Burke type — McFaul, Kerney, and Farragut. All of them, of course, escaped with their flagship. Stunning ships, masterpieces of world shipbuilding, ready to shoot the enemy with five dozen winged “Tomahawks” or strike a target in low near-earth orbit. Lastly, Burgh's gunship destroyers are a key element of the US missile defense system. Strong, strong and modern destroyers. So what? Did it help much?

All in all, the Americans concentrated on the sea approaches to Syria from 17 the most powerful and modern ships: aircraft carrier and UDC, Ajis cruisers, destroyers, frigates, integrated supply ships and ships of the Shipping Command. And the total number of ships of the Sixth Fleet reached 40 units! To date, most of them have left the waters of the Mediterranean Sea, while the rest of the ships hid in bases.

One of the military transports of the Maritime Sealift Command. Used for fast worldwide delivery of equipment, equipment and personnel of the Army and Marines

Americans are the most modest and ascetic people. In the composition of the Sixth Fleet is constantly only ... one ship. The special command ship "Mount Whitney" is the very exception that confirms the general rule. Unlike all other ships, the Mount Whitney rarely leaves the Mediterranean basin and, in fact, is the eternal flagship of the American maritime group in this region.

The idea is not bad - to ensure effective management and coordination of the forces of the Navy and the Marine Corps, it was proposed to build a specialized staff ship, extremely saturated with receiving and transmitting equipment, with equipped briefing and conference rooms, comfortable admiral cabins and military control posts. On board there is equipment for receiving a helicopter. Externally, the “Mount Whitney” is distinguished by a flat spacious deck, which is literally littered with covers of antenna devices. In principle, Mount Whitney is difficult to distinguish from civilian research vessels or ships to communicate with spacecraft. The only thing that gives him a warship, - mounted on the bow and in the stern six-column automatic anti-aircraft gun "Phalanx".

Sixth Fleet Command Ship

In 2008, Mount Whitney, having forgotten about its flagship functions, was the first to deliver humanitarian aid to Georgia. Along the way, he tried to make his way with a “friendly visit” to Sevastopol, but was booed and exhibited from the Black Sea in disgrace. This time, sensing that the Russians are determined to defend Syria, the flagship of the Sixth Fleet locked itself at its base in Gaeta (Italy) and does not appear to our sailors.

By the way, about the bases - the Sixth Fleet has in the Mediterranean Sea a significant number of points of material and technical service. Among them are facilities in Italy: in addition to the already mentioned naval base Gaeta, on the coast of this country there is a large naval base Naples with a coastal high-security command post and a forward point of stationing La Maddalena (a base of nuclear submarines on Sardinia). In addition, the Sixth Fleet may use the Italian naval forces Spezia, Taranto, Brindisi, Augusta (a major fuel supply point for fuel and lubricants). On the coast of Spain is another large object - the naval base Rota, used in conjunction with the Spanish Navy. Also, to deploy the base patrol and anti-submarine aircraft, the US fleet can use numerous air bases in European countries (for example, Sigonella AB on Sicily).

Entry into the territory of the Navy, Spain

The maintenance of all these military facilities falls heavily on the shoulders of American taxpayers. The Sixth Fleet commanders are trying to cut costs, and sometimes this leads to hilarious results - in September 2009, the Gaeta naval base remained for several days without fresh water: a private Italian water supply company simply turned off the water for non-payment.

Finale

Whatever events take place in the Middle East - the coast of Syria is under the constant control of the Russian Navy. We won this round - American ships left the Mediterranean Sea, and without the help of American aircraft carriers, UDC and Ajis destroyers, NATO has no clear advantage at sea - European non-aircraft carriers and frigates devoid of any serious strike weapons do not pose a threat to Russian group of ships of the Black Sea, Baltic and Pacific Fleets. Hopefully, the North Sea mariners will soon come to the area and our Navy will be able to conduct truly ambitious exercises in the Mediterranean.

Yes, the Sixth Fleet is cool and strong, but the era of atomic weapons guaranteed to "multiply by zero" all non-nuclear means in global war. And in local conflicts, the one who is more impudent and decisive has an advantage. The US Navy has extensive experience in fighting at sea, but the Americans do not like to fight unprepared, they need time to deploy and thorough preparation. Our sailors, on the contrary, are ready to fight in any conditions - this is our main and only trump card; unexpected tricks and desperate courage devalue any Aegis and Tomahawks.

The position of major US Navy aircraft carrier ships on 5 December 2012. The aircraft carrier Eisenhower and UDC Iwo Jima are located off the coast of Syria

The position of major US Navy aircraft carrier ships on 17 in January 2013. All but one returned to their bases.

Comments

[Bigriver]

Not fighters are Americans. Oh, not the fighters :(

[Vladimirets]

Quote: BigRiver

Not fighters are Americans. Oh not fighters

No, they have run out of money, in the states it’s simple: if we have money, we protect the country, there is no money and we go home.

[Andrey from Tver]

No, they have run out of money, in the states it’s simple: if we have money, we protect the country, there is no money and we go home.

Or maybe they insurance companies under the terms of the insurance contract forbade them to approach probable opponents closer than 500 nautical miles. And then you never know what

[alex-defensor]

Quote: BigRiver

Not fighters are Americans. Oh, not the fighters :(

Yes it is, BUT !!!!!

I am sure that the United States did not withdraw its ships because it was scared ... such maneuvers without a "high-level conversation" are not carried out at all.

At most, if they were taken away so as not to provoke a conflict.

VERY complex processes are going on in the USA, many people don’t understand why their country (USA) is climbing into Syria ... at that moment, starting a war there in the face of active opposition from Russia and China’s strong disagreement is risky ... This is where the current indecision.

[Onotollah]

Quote: alex-defensor

I am sure that the United States did not take its ships away because they were afraid ...

I agree with you, most likely there is an agreement at the highest level.
For example, the US emerges from the Syrian conflict in return for our non-interference in a possible Sino-Japanese conflict over the oil islands in the South China Sea.
Purely IMHO.

[nerd.su]

Quote: Onotolle

For example, the US emerges from the Syrian conflict in return for our non-interference in a possible Sino-Japanese conflict over the oil islands in the South China Sea.

The direction of thought is correct, but one can argue about the subject of exchange. Maybe Russia decided to look blindly at the events in Mali. In any case, the Americans did not run in such cases from the Soviet Navy. So either it’s pure duck or a political agreement. Well, there is still the option that this is the pressure of the army lobby on the US Senate. And then there is a question about the sequestration of the military budget on the horizon. Here are the military and demonstrate the impossibility of their military presence while reducing funding. After all, the American voter will not forgive flight from Russians. Who's guilty? So those who want to sequester the military budget! :)

[Corsair5912]

From the Soviet Navy, the Yusovtsy always kept to the utmost distance and the Soviet sailors were always afraid, the Yusovtsy did not like clashes with a worthy enemy. As Yusovsky writer R. Heinlein wrote (The Road of Valor):
“The American Eagle feeds on carrion, does not attack anyone, even in its weight class, and is likely to die out altogether. It is for these Ideals that he stands uphill. A symbol is what we ourselves put into it "

[nerd.su]

Your patriotic position is respected, but the Americans did not always keep the Soviet Navy at the utmost distance. And only when they received a rebuff or the forces were obviously equal. Americans do not like to butt with equal or stronger opponents, this is a fact.

[Botanologist]

From warsonline article.

Speaking about the tasks set by countries that somehow participate in all this, it must be said that France is trying to strengthen its position in this former French colony, Russia would also like to return to Mali. In Soviet times, the USSR exploited gold mines in Mali, today these mines are inactive. Supporting international efforts, Russia plays its game, its goals for the rest of the countries are not clear, which, in general, is nothing new under Putin. One thing is clear that Putin will support Hollande as much as it helps to drown him in the shaky sands of the Malian desert. Hollande makes the mistake of not designating the purpose of the operation. This means that, leaving Mali, France always runs the risk of facing accusations of desertion, saying that the task has not been solved. Putin will pull Hollande by the nose so that he is stuck as deep as possible.

After all this, does anyone even remember about Syria? It looks like Syria is not on the map either. That’s what a competent, balanced, thought-out policy of real and profound politicians leads to. Putin simply beat the West once again. No one even cares a bit about why amphibious ships are going to the Mediterranean Sea, why would the forces of all fleets arrange maneuvers in the Mediterranean Sea? What more seas or not? I think Putin understands that Erdogan will be much less zealous when this armada appears at his side, which can deprive anyone of his appetite. Earlier, during his visit to Turkey, Putin showed Erdogan a gingerbread, but now the whip is arriving.

In DAILYMEDIA an article was published What Putin’s anti-patriotic step will be, judge for yourself, quote: “However, knowing Putin it can be assumed that he will not“ butt ”with the Turks. It will probably not be possible to poison them with sanctions, although such a threat will probably be identified. Perhaps Russia will try to somehow increase its presence in Tartus or in the Black Sea. After all, this is the least costly response. According to the established tradition, the Black Sea Fleet’s maneuvers will be “in no way connected with the hostilities” between Turkey and Syria. But part of the armed formations Russian ships will undoubtedly be pulled over. Turkey undoubtedly has a genetic fear of Russia. It’s important how Russia will manage Turkish phobias. ”

Now we see that Putin also used Turkish phobias correctly, as well as the French aspirations in Africa and even Godep’s stupidity. Now Putin has a special round - "his own game." Hollande, thinking that he is doing politics in Europe, seems to be just at Putin's opening act. One more point should be noted. Since there was information about the participation of Russian peacekeepers in Mali. The French-speaking Internet has perked up that it says that even inside France Putin deserves respect and trust more than his own president, this is a very serious and unpleasant indicator for Hollande.

[46bob46]

And what are Russia's interests in Mali?

[Botanologist]

What interests does Russia have in Mali?

Read the article. To drown France there in the war, for starters. Algeria is nearby, and he buys our weapons - an occasion to be closer. All sorts of minerals. From Syria, take the center of events for a while ... A lot of things.

[ZKBM-BUT]

rather, not an agreement. but just understood everything without words.

[Corsair5912]

Yusovtsy were easily cowardly and draped, it’s understandable, once they get into the thieves ’snout in Syria, they’ll start beating them everywhere. No fleets are enough. The image of an invincible country is expensive.
What agreement can there be if it is about the seizure of full control of the Middle East by YSA? They have not invested too much money in this, the scum "oppositionists" are not expensive, but if they get involved in a conflict with Russia, they will lose what they have invested even more.

[roninas]

A very bravura article .. With all due respect to the fleet, the Americans were hardly scared, the point is different.

[ramzes1776]

Quote: roninas

A very bravura article .. With all due respect to the fleet, the Americans were hardly scared, the point is different.

Now the exercises will be held with us and sooner or later our ships will have to return to their bases. Then they will again catch up replenished with materiel and rested.

[Tank720]

Most likely I will agree with you and there is no need to come up with anything here, they have gone away to mute each other

[Val_y]

Nevertheless, I liked the steel, smiled, some speech turns, generally a class, (put a plus sign) Such articles are needed by anyone, a hammer author (author on stage)

[Berber]

National American Game - Poker. And Americans love to play with speckled cards. This whole hybrid war story is another hoax. Americans have come up with and apply these technologies for a long time. The information component is the main link in this war. And the fleet is a large advertising showcase of the capabilities of the US Navy. Perhaps (my assumption) their capabilities are slightly exaggerated, and in the prospect of confronting us, they do not want to lose their face. Well, there may be other reasons, for example: they want to hide some of their technological capabilities from our intelligence.

[The shelezyak]

It's written "Multiplies by zero".
Let our men even come there at the oars, at the galley, all sorts of things do not exclude a nuclear strike. We saw the dock. films about atomic explosions on the water, you can’t hide behind the folds of the terrain, guaranteed kirdyk.

[alex-defensor]

Quote: Shelezyak

It is written "multiplies by zero."
Let our men even come there at the oars, at the galley, all sorts of things do not exclude a nuclear strike. We saw the dock. films about atomic explosions on the water, you can’t hide behind the folds of the terrain, guaranteed kirdyk.

How do you yourself assess the likelihood of a nuclear war over Syria, huh ?!

You can gasp, but who will forgive this?

[The shelezyak]

Syria is an indirect cause. If you touch our group, then the chances are high.
It's just that a galley with "maces" dived into the ocean. A third of the military budget, according to the amers themselves, was thrown into it for development.
So are there just 3 military satellites in orbit during the week thrown.
Nothing can be ruled out, which means the odds are 50x50 - either yes or no =)

[Mgydvin]

Yes, rather, our gold coin in the fund refused to take it back, and they brought it out ... The Germans have already given an excuse

[Cadet787]

Although our fleet is old, it has always been and will be the pride of Russia.

[46bob46]

And if the situation is simpler and more interesting? If Russia just wanted to try their underbelly? Will the states aggravate or withdraw?
If Russia wanted to indicate its presence in this region, what concession it must make so that during the most difficult conflict in Syria Turkey and Israel would be left without cover. An explanation does not occur in the head, except for the above.

[Pit Bull59]

100% correct. Withdrew, so as not to interfere with the maneuvers ... About this "above" agreed.

[yehat]

there is logic in your words. The instructions instruct aircraft carriers to be outside the radius of the strike of Russian heavy cruisers. And this is becoming more and more difficult with the growth of RCC capabilities.

[77bor1973]

I agree, they have cut their budget and save.

[rolik]

[quote = Vladimir] no money - go home [/ quote
- We, Mr. President, regrouped, optimized our forces and ..... resolutely and successfully retreated. An example of a report of a 6th fleet commander to an American president.

[lotus04]

Quote: rolik

- We, Mr. President, regrouped, optimized our forces and ..... resolutely and successfully retreated.

Just like Pikul: "Cruiser".

[tol]

Well, in one film they said - retreat is also an offensive, only in the opposite direction

[datur]

tol, this was said by an Amer general during the Korean War, when the Chinese punched them and the Yusovites fled, I do not see the retreating troops, I see the troops advancing in the other direction !!!!

[Maks111]

It's simple. Our squadron includes the Moskva missile cruiser, which carries Granit missiles with a very good range, capable of sinking an aircraft carrier. Therefore, the amers and left. Keep their distance. If I am not mistaken, they never enter the zone of destruction of our missiles capable of sinking their aircraft carriers.

[Botanologist]

on board which are "Granite" rockets

And what are you going to provide target designation for Granite? Or we will herakat as from RBU, "where will it fly?"

[to water]

I may be wrong. But can not the helicopters in the combined fleet indicate the direction of launch of the missiles and the target itself? Indeed, when launching granites, one of the missiles along the flight path flies above its flock and, upon detection of targets, selects and captures them and broadcasts it to their girlfriends, who are in the zone of low radar visibility.

[Botanologist]

Can you imagine the number of ships in the area? Granite, which knows how to select targets, will capture some target in the square, only 80% that it will be someone's tanker. In addition, he does not have very good protection against modern electronic warfare equipment (age, old man, age). So to naughty there with Granite is not a buzz.

[to water]

Statistics science can be accurate, but only if there is something to consider (I mean%). And I think that the mattresses have very few known to substitute in the formula and get the probability of hitting targets (because you can screw it up). And suddenly missiles were graded with the help of a new elemental base. After all, they have something to lose, they are positioned as the strongest power in the world, the guarantor of security for more than a hundred countries, the cement of the NATO bloc. But we have nothing to lose, if we miss, we conclude that without new weapons we can’t. Well, a tanker more than a tanker is less, it's okay, you can gladly compensate the owner of the cost of this vessel with our sincere apologies if the bonus is a sunken ship like Nimitz. So, for us, only ++ sy.

[Botanologist]

But we have nothing to lose, if we miss, we conclude that without new weapons we can’t. Well, a tanker is more a tanker less than that is okay,

Of course, that we need to sink some Saudi tanker! Just think, they will fly F-15, we’ll lose a thousand or two sailors and marines, what a trifle!
Have you really seriously thought, or outplayed the counter-strike?

[wall]

+5 about counter-strike ....

[vitya29111973]

I am the one to understand the question from a comrade is so "Syria or death" !!! Correctly you say it is necessary to tear the guy off the computer and send him to the same Marines for two years. I think after half a year of training my comrade will never want to fight again !!!

[Hug]

regar: "... Well, a larger tanker, a smaller tanker, is okay"





After all, the poet said: "... and do not dispute a fool!" Ah, the glup is the glup baby!

[pinachet]

"The on-board computer contains electronic data on modern classes of ships; tactical information, for example, on the type of ship orders, which allows the rocket to determine who is in front of it - a convoy, aircraft carrier or landing group, and to attack the main targets in its composition"

I’ll tell you again, our designers didn’t make a finger, target designation was and will be! Or do you think that rockets are fired within line of sight?

[ytqnhfk]

as far as I understand, it’s not so difficult to develop a new unit with the same inputs for adaptation and connection to existing missiles, the age has nothing to do with it, and it’s possible that glonass could have made it

[Maks111]

And then why send Moscow with granites there if it is ineffective in your words?

[nerd.su]

to water,
Do you really think that the Americans believe that we are so attacking their AUG? Go see a doctor! Or at least measure the temperature

[to water]

You cool your heads and carefully read what I write. And about the strikes, then I have no time to engage in such garbage, because you have to plow to feed your family and give your children a good education. But the one who thinks so (I am 95% sure) did not serve in the army. Why do I think so, because the person who served has thought differently.

[Botanologist]

because the person who served served thinks differently.

my service does not give me any reason to consider the shooting of anti-ship missiles "aimlessly" as normal practice, even during a conflict.

[Maks111]

Well .... they believe they do not believe, and their aircraft carriers under our missiles capable of destroying them do not substitute. Well ... as far as I know.

[vitya29111973]

No, they are afraid that it wouldn’t work out like in Ukraine with TU over the Cherniv Sea.

[Urrry]

well, maybe they were scared: Russian ships will conduct exercises to launch missiles aiming at the open sea - and accidentally get on an aircraft carrier ... :)

[Alexander_]

Tomahawks are subsonic, supersonic granites. Dumb they first to start. And our order will be executed, no doubt.

[pinachet]

Well, you, too, bent ... probably when they did the system (back then ....) you probably figured out how to target designation or do you think that they (granites) just shoot.
that's what they write ..
"When creating the complex, for the first time, an approach was used, the basis of which is the mutual coordination of 3 elements: target designation means (in the form of spacecraft), a carrier and anti-ship missiles. The created complex has acquired the ability to solve the most difficult tasks of sea combat with an outfit of fire weapons of one carrier."
The on-board autonomous selective RCC control system is built on the basis of a three-processor on-board computer (BCM) using several information channels, which allows you to successfully understand a difficult jamming environment and highlight true targets against the background of interference.
The digital computer contains electronic data on modern ship classes; tactical information, for example, on the type of ship warrants, which allows the missile to determine who is in front of it - an escort, aircraft carrier or landing group, and attack the main targets in its composition; data on counteracting enemy electronic warfare, capable of staging missiles to lead missiles away from targets; tactics of evading fire from air defense systems.
The 3M-45 (P-700) missile has several flexible adaptive trajectories depending on the operational and tactical situation in the sea and airspace of the operation area. The rocket has a cruising turbojet engine KR-93 and an annular solid-fuel accelerator in the tail section, which starts operation under water (when launched from surface ships, the mines are filled with seawater). A variant of the rocket with an experienced 4D 04 supersonic ramjet engine allowed the rocket to reach speeds of up to 4M. "

and the US fleet left only because our "reb" (and our reconnaissance ship is clearly there too) would not reveal their connection, codes, control system, etc.

[Zabvo]

Granit has a satellite control center, I don't remember the exact name of the satellite.

[yehat]

in the Mediterranean is crowded. always know who is where

[ruton]

What are you seriously thinking about the possibility of some sort of blows on each other’s ships? Yes, this is immediately the third world war, because not only ships near Syria will be able to beat each other. but all over the globe. Yes, in life no one will allow this. Our officials were banned from entering the United States, there was a screech to heaven. And you are going to fight with them , naive people. Where does our political elite hold funds and savings? In the West. Yes, they will do everything so that there is not even a hint of any conflict. It will be necessary, they themselves will give a decree to drown our entire squadron right in the Syrian port .. the first time or what?

[alexdol]

ruton (1) RU "... But this is the third world war at once, ..."
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Here I do not agree with you! In 2000, the Americans sank our Kursk - yes, it was they who drowned, and what was the war, as you say ?! There was no war - they just took "grandmothers" as compensation for the ditched Kursk!
There is an opinion that at that moment we were not ready to confront them, I, of course, have a different opinion, but that is not the point. And what, today we are ready to RESIST them ?! It is disgusting to read your conclusions "if they order our entire squadron to drown" ?! What is it, why then such POWER if it will humiliate the dignity of the PEOPLE ?! Do you need such a life "on your knees"? To me personally - NO! Remember how the EAGLE answered the crow: it is better to live 30 years and eat living blood than 300 years, but eat a PADAL! That's how I am, serving and pleasing these CREATURES is not for me! Better war until the victorious, hopefully, end!

[ruton]

They won’t even ask your opinion) The fleet is drowned regularly, and the people somehow survived this.
Well, according to Kursk, the case was covered up ... even if they took the money, then there was compensation and all that. and here is the war .. Everyone is ready to fight, sitting at home at computers, something no one volunteers to come to fight in Syria)

[alexdol]

ruton (1) RU "Our fleet is regularly drowned, and the people somehow survived it."
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It would be interesting to find out where and when we REGULARLY sunk our fleet by ORDER? More about this, please, and not "general" words ...

[ruton]

Stoked in the Crimean War. in Port Arthur, the Black Sea Fleet in the civilian .. these are not common words. In arthur, the sailors were all framed in general .. then the leadership was put on trial .. And since in the post-Soviet era everyone was tearing up, you don’t grieve at all .. Even the situation with Kursk, everyone washed themselves slowly and everything was as it should.

[alexdol]

ruton (1) RU "Drowned in the Crimean War. in Port Arthur, ..."

I am surprised that you have not yet remembered the "sunk" battleship "Novorossiysk"!
And about the post-Soviet time - here is a special conversation and there is nothing to put everything in one heap ...

[ruton]

You asked, I answered. and here "Novorossiysk" is unclear.

[Don]

Quote: alexdol

Here I do not agree with you! In 2000, the Americans sank our Kursk - yes, it was they who drowned, and what was the war, as you say ?! There was no war - they just took "grandmothers" as compensation for the ditched Kursk!

What nonsense. You have revised fiction.

[yehat]

the fact of the matter is that modern weapons promise an end, not a victory.

[to water]

Nobody is going to fight, I hit a polemic with Botan. I am trying to reason including logic based on his posimistic questions. And he does not try to refute me with arguments, but gets involved in the war. He’s already aimed at the tankers of the rocket. And I just wanted to find out whether it is really possible to aim missiles at a target using helicopters at a distance of about 500 km from the fleet. If so, then it is clear why the amers retreated.

[ruton]

Yes, I understand you, regar. I'm just talking about hostilities. In my opinion this is utopia. Not with this power. It's one thing to grapple with Georgia. another thing with the 6th fleet, a completely different level of opponents and consequences. No one will fight. Americans would probably be very surprised to read this article. they don’t even suspect how our spears break here because of this)

[to water]

The world war to annihilate each other ended 67 years ago. And over the past time, weapons have become many times deadlier. Therefore, of course, no one wants to launch a world-wide slaughter until there is a compelling argument that whoever starts and wins. Unfortunately, the states use this because they have no conscience and morality. Their slogan is only business and nothing personal. People for them is a resource that you need to use with maximum efficiency. And because of this, a virtuoso game on public opinion. Here is their war, and so far unfortunately they are winning it.

[ruton]

Amirikos is still lucky .. a question for a long time, is it? As Solomon said, everything passes, and it will pass ..

[DERWISH]

Putin is not ebn and amers know this by soaking in the toilet and to be honest, they have already completely lifted up these Yankees climb too far

[Mironk]

Precisely said!

[yehat]

Georgia will be stronger than the 6th fleet

[Mcager]

I agree with your position. Perhaps the marimans themselves simply conveyed another thought to the White Barak: we can mate with the Russians, but this will be the latest news in this world.

[46bob46]

possible with planes, submarines, even buoys

[Zabvo]

So stop it! ! Not "Granite P-700" but "Volcano P-1000". Otherwise, I agree.

[ansimov]

And this is because we will hardly ever hear the expression "Native American" They are all from different countries, and they understand that their real homeland remained somewhere overseas

[Lord of the Sith]

Fresh video from Syria

[harrymur]

for me, syria has already gotten it, who is right, whoever you find the blame for, lay out better about Mali, it’s much more interesting to see NATO’s tactics and strategy performed by their soldiers, and not mercenaries in Syria, we went through this in Chechnya,
need to look to the future

[Lord of the Sith]

In Mali, the correspondents are not working yet.

[dmitreach]

Vladimir, how does their money end? Is the ink sour or paper jam?

[DmitriRazumov]

Quote: Vladimirets

No, they have run out of money, in the states it’s simple: if we have money, we protect the country, there is no money and we go home.

But the money really ran out. The state has reached the threshold of funds withdrawal determined by Congress. The Republicans do not want to expand it just like that, they are not bidding for life but for death with the Democrats. Obama decided that if he could not print enough green in the near future, he would mint a coin worth 1 trillion. dollars. So the marimans seem to have nothing to pay for the next war ...

[Deniska999]

For Mother Russia!

[go21zd45few]

Yes, they didn’t run out of money, but they returned the toilet paper behind it, as well as changing diapers for fresh ones.

[Alexander Romanov]

the article smacks of excessive upa-patriotism. If the amers are dumped from the Middle-earth, it is not out of fear of us. We are still far inferior in power and the amers also understand this.
In the Pentagon, too, they’re not completely fools, they all understand and really appreciate the forces of the parties. Perhaps some tactical moves or something else .. But I do not exclude the possibility that the real warriors with Russia were frightened.

[JonnyT]

I agree! I also think that America will try to drag Russia into conflict with the help of terrorist groups. During the students that Russia plans to hold, one should expect provocations from the so-called opposition and the branches of Al Qaeda. America left the region in order to create an alibi for its inappropriateness!

Or another option - they pissed !!!!! Fighting against a weak enemy by bombarding him from the sky with bombs is one thing, but when there is a real chance of getting in the teeth, the glorious American anal switcher will natsinitsya, so that the needle does not slip.

[to water]

In such a puddle as the Mediterranean Sea, any two fleets of sea powers are crowded. There is no room for maneuver. Again, you can get certain intelligence data that will be useful in the future. Ours may be nothing to hide, but mattresses are definitely there. In addition, ours are there for a week, two and will go home, and they will take their old positions without unnecessary nerves.

[DERWISH]

I fully support !!! REALLY FUCKED! no matter who actually says a serious military conflict with their deceitful democracy can end in a complete political and economic failure of the United States

[Vito]

Alexander Romanov I welcome you dear

Quote: Alexander Romanov

the article smacks of excessive upa-patriotism. If the amers and dumped from the Mediterranean, it is not out of fear of us.

I will take the liberty of expressing one more suggestion about the rapid retreat of the "valiant" US 6th Fleet!

Most likely the amers heard a couple of "ANTEEV 949" going under the belly of the grouping of our ships entering GIBRALTAR?
Then everything falls into place!

[Cavas]

Quote: Vito

Most likely the amers heard a couple of "ANTEEV 949" going under the belly of the grouping of our ships entering GIBRALTAR?
Then everything falls into place!

But anyway, write an article in this style ????

It seems that it was written by a schoolboy, or rather, even a pioneer on the instructions of the Komsomol organization!

Personally, my impression.

[Vito]

Cavas (2)Hello, darling!

Quote: Cavas

But anyway, write an article in this style ????

I have been reading OLEG articles for a long time! They have always been distinguished by excellent analysis and design!
I think that this is still an easy banter over our overly patriotic users!
I apologize in advance, I did not want to offend anyone, patriotism is a good thing if it is within reason!

[vorobey]

Quote: Vito

I have been reading OLEG articles for a long time! They have always been distinguished by excellent analysis and design!
I think it's all the same light banter over our overly patriotic users!

Vito plus. We cut with the author in the topic of armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles. He has a fasting and a mockery. but you will not refuse the ability to present and design.

I sincerely thank you for this article, especially considering that there is a regrouping of forces and analysis.

Recently, the news was here. Matt, where are you and I joking about bait?

[Vito]

vorobey (xnumx) Good afternoon FRIENDLY!

Quote: vorobey

We cut with the author in the topic of armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles.

Read, read, famously you did there!

[vorobey]

Quote: Vito

famously did you get there

and now this phrase from the article.

Yes, the Sixth Fleet is steep and strong, but the Age of Atomic Weapons is guaranteed to "multiply by zero" all non-nuclear weapons in a global war. And in local conflicts, the advantage is one who is more impudent and decisive. The U.S. Navy has extensive naval experience, but Americans don’t like fighting unprepared; they need time for deployment and thorough preparation. Our sailors, on the contrary, ready to fight in any conditions - this is our main and only trump card; unexpected tricks and desperate courage devalue any Aegis and Tomahawks.

I turn to Oleg about the unequipped coast. Although I do not exclude that the landing (if it comes to it) will again be on a daring port, as it was in Feodosia, Novoros, or upon the liberation of Bulgaria.

[Cavas]

Quote: vorobey

Hello, darling!

Quote: vorobey

Matt, where are you and I joking about bait?

My respect to all.
I am not against jokes, only for.
But then in my opinion he went too far !?
Maybe I’m not right, but I saw it like that, or maybe I just need to go dig a car, it skidded on the glass (cyclones from Europe got sick, the whole area is standing)

[Vito]

Take a shovel and dig
Do not worry about our Navy
Sparrow and I will sit here
After all, you need to figure it out !!!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vito

After all, you need to figure it out!

But what is there to understand, the interests of the two powers clashed. We are against them, they are against us, it was and it will be so. In some ways we win, and somewhere we surrender our positions.

[Vito]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

What is there to understand, the interests of two powers clashed

So it was, it will be so
The age will judge
Who was right
And who is to blame!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Cavas

But then in my opinion he went too far!

Hi Sergey. In my opinion there is too much joy from the departure of amers. But what is there to rejoice about? In a week, amers in full force can be drawn in the Mediterranean and how then to react? Everything is much more complicated.

[vorobey]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

can draw in the Mediterranean and how then to react?

to become the root camp in the Strait of Hormuz. Transfer our traffic police and fish surveillance, Onishchenko for support. And then Europe will howl. A joke - for the most understanding.

[Cavas]

Quote: vorobey

Throw our DPS

That yes, yes, that’s where the chain dogs of Kabarda and Krasnodar Territory do not put a finger in your mouth.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vorobey

Transfer our traffic police and fish surveillance,

It’s necessary to throw your golden billion there, all the decks and portholes there, sweat to wash. So go for it, you have cards in your hands, you can say you're Russia's last hope.
So that they do not die when flying from me a bag of millet

[German]

for the sake of completeness, we also need our (Ukrainian) gayts and customs officers .... in principle: two morons are power! then Europe and America will definitely be howled !!!

[vorobey]

Quote: German

for completeness, we still need our (Ukrainian) gayts

This is true, if only they would not interrupt.

We have at least Come Five Hundred Immediately.
and you just have a DAI

[mark021105]

In Uzbekistan, "GAI" is now written DAN. If we also take into account that there is no soft sign in the Uzbek language ... Here is a lot of them there too ...

[Corsair]

Receive, fascist, a grenade!

[Cavas]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Hello, Sergey.

San, great.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Everything is much more complicated.

Still, throw so much snow. Yes, the 6th US fleet is now strangling with my bare hands!

[Vito]

Quote: Cavas

Yes, the 6th US fleet is now strangling with bare hands

Well, leave our navy at least a little

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Cavas

Yes, the 6th US fleet is now strangling with bare hands

Meta to Syria - URGENT !!!

[Cavas]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Meta to Syria - URGENT !!!

I need Yaroy to Syria, I have other plans for today!

[Quiet]

Alexander, it will be more difficult for them. Who believed the bike that the entire 6th fleet forgot to turn off the irons at home ... Further, when approaching, they are obliged to tell what the hell they forgot in the water area occupied by the fleet of another country !!! Delirium like "We'll see how you make Easter cakes in the sandbox" - it won't work either !!!! They will have to ask permission to attend !!!! And this is humiliating for them !!!!

[Simple]

Cavas: (cyclones from Europa are sick of it, the whole area is standing)

We did not have any cyclones.
Only the first week the snow on the lands of Rain lay.
Maybe all the same from the North?

[Tirpitz]

Quote: Cavas

It seems that a schoolboy wrote it, or rather, even a pioneer on the instructions of the Komsomol organization!

I agree with you completely. In the Mediterranean, the ships of European countries are nato enough to solve issues with the grouping of the Russian Navy, and it is completely blocked by aviation.

[Vito]

Tirpitz Good afternoon FRIENDLY
Glad to see another sober-minded person in our ranks!

[aleksandroff]

guys, do not forget how our paratroopers in Yugoslavia made a march throw. remember how the airfield was defended. in my opinion there were only 200 paratroopers. and then it seemed to me that Nata pissed. and were shocked and perplexed. ours, I think, sometimes they can do something unthinkable. according to them, we are an unpredictable nation. but here it seems to me that there were some agreements. or vvp obama promised to fill his face at a meeting.

[Ferrum_34]

Cavas ///
I absolutely agree, either a schoolboy wrote an article, or a finished amerophobe (not the fact that he is not a Korets ... originally from the DPRK), the Communist Party amber

[Botanologist]

It seems that it was written by a schoolboy, or rather, even a pioneer on the instructions of the Komsomol organization

I agree, excitedly and with Komsomol enthusiasm.

[Beck]

And what kind of authors are selected on the site?

Well, it’s necessary as a kid to choke on the fact that the 6th US fleet left the Mediterranean, and only because the Russian ships entered. Well, 6th left, there are so few reasons to leave, maybe the plans were spelled out five more years ago. And the author is already screeching.

One must be objective. The US Navy is currently strong. And this recognition will mean more than a piggy squeal, as it mobilizes Russia to create its own, even more powerful fleet. And if we compare, not objectively, but objectively. The ships of the four fleets of Russia pulled together in the Mediterranean are inferior in power to only one 6 fleet. And the United States has five such fleets.

[Cynic]

Quote: Beck

And what kind of authors are selected on the site?

Dear commentators, Beck, That we all want to hear it and publishь !
Sorry dear Beck, but before commenting, at least you need to read the comments too. and preferably completely!
Isn't that familiar?

Quote: Cynic

Banter of course this article, I support the opinion already expressed in this sense, and most importantly, a correct and timely banter!
Whatever a ... would say the opposite! I think the little hands tremble in anticipation of someone who is affectionate to write!
Post hoc non est propter hoc After that - doesn’t mean therefore!

[Beck]

ALL.

EMERCOM of Russia sends two planes to Beirut to evacuate Russian citizens from Syria. Of which there are 40-60 thousand. Details below.

I thought just throwing in unverified information. I looked in other news, too, this news in the front row. You can make preliminary assumptions.

The Assad Dynasty ends. Indirect signs:

1. If everything was normal, the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs would not have developed an evacuation plan since December 12, 2012.
2. The time is right, because for no reason, the Ministry of Emergencies would not have sent two planes right now.
3. Damascus Airport means it is no longer functioning, or dangerous for operation. Therefore, the planes were sent to Beirut.
4. A large evacuation is planned, since in addition to the aircraft of the Ministry of Emergency Situations, passenger aircraft Aeroflot, Transaero, Cyprus Airveiz are involved. And also the aircraft of the military transport aviation of the Ministry of Defense at the airfields of Pskov, Taganrog, Orenburg were put on a six-hour readiness.
5. Most likely this is connected with the pulling of the Navy ships to the coast of Syria to evacuate and ensure safety.

And by agreement, so as not to interfere, the ships of the 6 US fleet left the eastern Mediterranean.

And here the Sykuns screamed, the Ameprians escaped.

[Mironk]

Beck, have a nice day!
I think that tow trucks have a serious problem - from Damascus to Beirut the path is not close, and far from safe — the forces of the marines from the landing ships of the Russian Federation that arrived in Tartus are obviously not enough to ensure safety.

[Beck]

Greetings Miron!

Well, if there will be a real evacuation, probably already have some kind of agreement with the rebels. Otherwise, of course, the path to Damascus is not close and not safe.

[Karlsonn]

Cavas

I received an answer from the State Department !!!
Sixth fleet sailing to the Dnieper, set us free admirers of the Great Cthulhu.

[Cavas]

Quote: Karlsonn

I received an answer from the State Department !!!

Not a fake, show help ???

Quote: Karlsonn

Sixth fleet sailing to the Dnieper, set us free

Have you found oil?

[starpom]

Quote: Vito

there was a couple "ANTEEV 949

The fact of the matter is that at the moment we do not have a couple of "ANTEEV" ready to force GIBRALTAR

[Vito]

Quote: starpom

The fact of the matter is that at the moment we do not have a couple of "ANTEEV" ready to force GIBRALTAR

Yes, I actually do not argue. Just want a good reason!

[Don]

Quote: starpom

The fact of the matter is that at the moment we do not have a couple of "ANTEEV" ready to force GIBRALTAR

At the moment, 4 submarines of the Antey project are in operation.

[Alexander Romanov]

Hi Vito.

Quote: Vito

Most likely the amers heard a couple of "ANTEEV 949" going under the belly of the grouping of our ships entering GIBRALTAR?

Most likely they saw a couple of Anteys in the Gulf of Mexico - this is more sobering

[vadimN]

Quote: Vito

Most likely the amers heard a couple of "ANTEEV 949" going under the belly of the grouping of our ships entering GIBRALTAR?
Then everything falls into place!

Yes, this is partly an argument. However, one cannot consider amers to be fools and underestimate them as an adversary. The cap accentuation of the article is obvious and spoils the impression.

And now objectively:
1. Of course, any AUG is monitored by our submarines. However, as real long-term experience shows, in 80% of cases, tracking boats are detected by AUG anti-submarine weapons. There is a game of cat and mouse - they pretend that they do not notice the tracking, we pretend that they did not notice us. Who actually served as ship officers will understand me. In my practice, this situation has repeatedly happened - when passing the Faroe-Icelandic border, we find a "tail" behind us. We report to the base. We receive an order to continue the task. We continue according to the principle outlined above.
So, colleagues, it is not yet known who in the event of a conflict will strike first and by whom. The first blow just can be inflicted on the tracking boat, and only then, without this threat, for other purposes.
2. It is highly doubtful that the amers were afraid of our courageous but shabby squadron. Expanding the topic does not make sense, there is much to say about it. Most likely, these are some kind of political games ...

[kostyan77708]

and not only pike-B, it seems to me there too

[Piligrim]

And what are these antey ??? decrypt for everyone what kind of a joker this is. that interrupts the whole pend .. u squadron? plus, moreover, not a fake one, but already proven itself in battles !? Unfortunately, I have not seen or heard ours ours (or fortunately) !!!

[Don]

Quote: Pilgrim

and already proved herself in battles

In battles with whom? When was the last time the US fleet encountered an alien fleet? Antey project submarines are not a bad combat unit, but it is clear that Antey alone will not be able to withstand one AUG.

[Kubatai]

I completely agree - there is an overabundance of jingoism.
Our exercises are ahead, and NATO always observes them covertly or explicitly.
So the area is full of their submarines, and by the time the exercises begin, they can pull something up.

[bosxxl]

IN PATRIOTISM THEY ARE 100% OUT OF US

YES MORE AND THEY'S PANTS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOVE THEY WITH A SMALL STATE WITH WEAPONS 60-70 YEARS OLD IN 26 COUNTRIES TO FIGHT ............................. THIS IS DEMOCRATIC. ..................................

[Sirozha]

Um ... Dear, reading about Ur patriotism, you do not understand anything! ))))

[Papakiko]

Article ---- Naked Duck!
AUG movements can be tracked at WWW.stratfor.com
Of course, one can argue that the media is controlled, but it will be a "sluggish" argument against the background of the information thrown in.
In the USSR, the Mediterranean squadron also constantly rotated, what’s wrong with that?
Ahinea in general, unfortunately

[will go]

Exactly the war with Russia was AFRAID - is that not a fear of us? We have a reputation as an unpredictable country, besides with nuclear weapons, and the author correctly said that in this situation all their advantages are reduced to zero. And again, the author is right that they are afraid to get involved in such an adventure, not being sure of their impunity, and this is also a sign of cowardice. Of course, they will take tactical moves, as you say, these moves have long been known to everyone, they like to rake the heat with the wrong hands. Yes, whine about what kind of Russian animals and how alien to them the principles of democracy. To the author +. And even if, as they put it, cheers are patriotism, it is much better than sitting and whining how weak and deprived we are. We have something to be proud of, our fathers and grandfathers have proved this more than once. And the fact that we fought better in Agan is about this, the Avgans they say. A man is fighting, not a car.

[46bob46]

Margaret Thecher once called the Upper Volta Soyuz with nuclear weapons.
They have a reason to think about it.

[lelyk72]

I would say that patriotism is over the edge. Although it was pleasant to read ... Nevertheless, I absolutely agree with the thesis that, for all our bravado, we are nevertheless afraid of a war with us, hence the ABM at our borders. Plus to the author of the article, and to you, Alexander!

[Joker]

article smacks of excessive upa-patriotism

Hi Sash, of course the author embellished a little, but only a little, in fact, it’s worth sinking a couple of American ships as they will immediately put them in pants out of fear, although we are few, but for that we are in vests and Americans are well aware that this is before the Papuans it’s possible to work out, but it’s worth touching ours and in which case nothing will be left of them in the first place, but I don’t want to die, they sailed for money, and if they die, who will spend it? And in the end, you can embellish a little bit, otherwise we, as pessimists, relate to everything

[Bigriver]

Alexander Romanov
article smacks of excessive upa-patriotism ....

Yes, come on.
Starting with the title, the article is banter and hyperbolization.
Such re-turbations of military force in space have long been a pure policy and work on the image on a global scale.
Which is, in general, correct. Demonstrations are needed :))
In this case, the military expediency of leaving the Amer group is not important.
We live in a global media space. And the fact of their departure, which coincided with the fact of our arrival, works to lower the prestige of the United States.
And this is not a little.
From this, it obviously follows that the prestige so cherished by the amers, they began to slowly "score".

[nagi]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

But I do not exclude the possibility that the real warriors with Russia were frightened.

It is highly likely that Syria in this situation has simply insufficient priority. Cuba is one thing where the USSR wanted to deploy megaton missiles, another thing is to fight a nuclear power over a country across the globe.

[46bob46]

Syria will fall then Iran and everything will move toward us in the Caucasus. The world has become smaller than it seems. They are spreading Dagestan, the Chechen Republic-again blood, hostility on our land. Why don’t anyone let people close, even to South America? Look at the list of corporations and their share in the markets of Latin and South America. The situation is the same as in Canada, from 40 to 70% of the population is tied to the Yusov economy. That is, strangers will not get through there. But what about the big Chinese wall for us to build? It’s easier to give a boor’s horns outside the walls of your house
IMHO.

[Botanologist]

I do not exclude the possibility that the real warriors with Russia were frightened

Rather, the war was not scared. On this theater, far from their native shores and supply bases, our ships will not last long in the war. I think that they agreed with us, exchanging plans to quickly press Syria into more serious ones to draw Europe into the African wars and prepare for Iran. So this region has been burning for a long time.

[berimor]

completely agree! Having a colossal advantage in forces, means and supply bases is rather a poetic move. and the experience of combat use and naval training of amers should not be discounted. Our Navy, basically, in recent decades, defended and overgrown with algae in the bases. And there is nothing to say about the training of ordinary sailors !!!! It's a shame to realize this, but the fact is obvious! The Russian fleet has fucked up the homegrown dermoras! And guys, it's not worth throwing hats on the enemy, remember 1904-1905 and the "very successful actions" of our fleet in the Patriotic War. We urgently need to raise the oceanic component of Russia's nuclear triad, increase the number of campaigns with military-political goals, strengthen the system of autonomous control of the actions of our naval groupings, deploy by hook or by crook our permanent presence in the most "vital" areas for us !!!!

[Ascetic]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

But I do not exclude the possibility that the real warriors with Russia were afraid.

Obama's recent candidacies for top government posts in the State Department, Defense Ministry, and the CIA indicate that a struggle is unfolding within the American political leadership between "globalists" on the one hand and "Obama's realists" on the other, intentional reduce American presence around the world in order to focus on real threats to America The fact that the realists are gaining the upper hand is evidenced by recent events, including the "sequestration" of the military budget and the fact that there is no AUG in the Mediterranean. Now they have no time for fat. One wrong move and the states themselves will turn into "Titanic" with chaos and panic on the ship.

The Arab Spring has swept the dictatorial regimes of the Middle East loyal to Washington, and the resolution of the Syrian crisis will increase the general instability in the region even more. There is still no adequate answer to the Iranian nuclear threat; relations with Israel are seriously damaged. China, which for a long time bothered the United States only economically, has also turned into a powerful politico-military annoying factor - territorial disputes with another US ally Japan threaten to lead to war. Relations with Moscow, which have long left much to be desired, by the beginning of the year became frankly bad.

My webpage

They are no longer able to single-handedly resolve all global problems and dictate their will .. And their NATO satellites, to put it mildly, do not look comme il faut. This is especially evident in special operations against terrorists in Algeria and Somalia. Well, there can be no talk of a direct clash with Russia, especially in these conditions. Like I said .. Not fat

[MG42]

"- Who are you? - Eagle !! - Why so dead? - Sick ..."

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Ascetic

Well, there can be no talk of a direct clash with Russia, especially in these conditions. Like I said .. Not fat

Stanislav, good night )))) The map is old, but here, like in chess, White always starts, and the knight jumps with the letter "L" and not otherwise. In general, victory will be ours!

[Vanya]

something serious is brewing in the USA, it seems that they are curtailing all programs and retreating in all directions, and we are far from the Soviet Union to be the reason.

[Onotollah]

Quote: vanya

something in the US is brewing serious

I read in the press about the possibility of declaring the United States bankrupt on 1.03.2013.

[dedroid71]

If the amers dumped from the Mediterranean, it is not out of fear of us I agree, hardly out of fear. IMHO, the States have really revised (perhaps partially) their policy regarding Syria (this possibility was recently written in one of the articles on the site, I don’t remember which one). It would be nice if so.

[Quiet]

I do not exclude the possibility that the real warriors with Russia were frightened.

And here you hit the spot !!! It's one thing to incite others, and quite another, to collide nose to nose ourselves. They still remember how ours in 1988, with their advantage in terms of tonnage, made a "bulk" !!!! ... And then ... hell knows how many these crazy Russians dragged behind their squad of submarines, although rusty (as some here estimate them), but quite capable of arranging several Hiroshimas.

[Beck]

Quote: Quiet

I do not exclude the possibility that the real warriors with Russia were frightened.

And what kind of bravado? Scared. What were they afraid of the collision of the 6th fleet with the ships of Russia? So here, if only the Mediterranean, by and large, the 6th fleet will not let anyone down. But both in the USA and in Russia, there are adequate people at the helm of the leadership and they are afraid for the fate of the world. And they know that if something unforeseen happens, some kind of provocation, then the confrontation of ships in the Mediterranean will not mean anything. Strategic forces will be involved and the world will be our kayuk.

The leadership of both countries is afraid of this. And all normal people on the planet should be afraid of any confrontations at which the end of the world can occur.

And you without analysis, cheers, they scared us. Yes, and submarines, if any. They have long been detected, as soon as they left their bases in the Baltic Sea, the Barents Sea from the Far Eastern waters.

[pinachet]

TFR-6 is leaning on the stern of the destroyer Caron (photo from board Selfless)

[Bad_gr]

Quote: pinachet

TFR-6 is leaning on the stern of the destroyer Caron (photo from board Selfless)

Another is the same, only the consequences for the American were not at all good.

[Bad_gr]

From the program "Vesti" on these events

[denn]

I am of the same opinion. In addition to this, one immediately recalls the various Amer’s provocations of the USSR both in the air and at sea, when for example our ship pushed them with a ram. If the USSR was not afraid ...

[serg. 75]

They are not afraid of war, they are afraid of starting it

[leha 2012]

They are not afraid of war because they are used to the fact that they are on an island and no one will reach them, except for Russia and, probably, China. Those. if there is an increase in tension, then we will quickly find ourselves (or already there) near their shores. I think it really stops them and annoys them. No wonder the submarines were found near their shores, but the strategists were noted ... like our message =)

[aleksandroff]

they are afraid of war. very afraid. their strategy is to kill children in schools armed to the teeth. here is their character. and when the skyscrapers rushed a lot were on the Canadian border. when they meet with real power, they are afraid that history has shown. there were many cases when the USSR was.

[Piligrim]

Though the only real comment, and analysis ...!
+ 100!

[46bob46]

Naturally, it’s easier to send 200 Wahhabis to badass the Caucasus than to substitute
6th fleet. But the point has a place to be.

[yehat]

there is such a term - prevention
this is exactly what the maneuvers of the Americans mean
why put next to avoid accidents
for example, there are 2 fleets nearby, a passenger plane flew nearby and disappeared from radars
how much will be dealt with, who is to blame?
or a similar incident, but with a stain of oil?

[Sakhalininsk]

They are fighters, but of a different plan, they’ll shy away from a shotgun in the backside of some Papuan with a spear, and when it smells like at least not a feeble return ... brave guys under a mattress flag prefer to sit aside ... neither what personally business.
They always fought like that, with extremely huge forces and exclusively against those who were once weaker.

[starpom]

Quote: Sakhalininets

the article smacks of excessive upa-patriotism.

I completely agree. Now you will begin to minus, but this article needs to be read in the kindergarten for the development of patriotism, or I did not understand the subtle English humor.

Quote: BigRiver

Not fighters are Americans. Oh not fighters

And you met them at sea. If not, then do not say so. We still need to learn their organization, planning and marine training. 25 years ago, we still imagined something, but for now - a rattle for the Papuans. Just a little - immediately a nuclear baton. You cannot write such articles. IMHO. Zadornov’s student wrote.

[Bigriver]

starpom
And you met them at sea. If not, then do not say so.

Wow!
See the comment, through one above yours;)

[Volkhov]

Quote: starpom

but this article needs to be read in kindergarten for the development of patriotism

It’s just that the customers of the article had propaganda hysteria in the style of Poland in the first week of September 39 - there were also reports of a successful Polish army attack on Berlin, then it passed.
The Americans have really hit an aircraft carrier, the Turks have a frigate, but they don’t want to change the picture of the world, appetites too, so it’s possible to re-preserve battleships.

[Armata]

Hello to all. you can guess for a long time why, why, and how he left. The fact is that the departure of the Yankees did not greatly defuse the situation in this region.

[SSR]

Air Force personnel set up a recreation center for a relative of Serdyukov
Air Force servicemen were improving an elite recreation center owned by a relative of the ex-Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov, a criminal case was initiated, the Kommersant newspaper writes on Friday, citing the investigation.

Not the topic but the breaking news))

[SSR]

As it became known to Kommersant, conducted by the Main Military Investigative Directorate (GVSU) TFR pre-investigation check of all the activities of Anatoly Serdyukov as Minister of Defense led to the initiation of the first criminal case, of which he will become a defendant. According to investigators, the yet-unidentified leaders of the military department have abused their official powers by sending helicopters of the Air Force to plant poplar and lawn grass in an elite recreation center owned by the ex-minister’s relative. In turn, Mr. Serdyukov’s lawyer, Heinrich Padva, described military landscaping as a charity by the military
Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2106944
Maybe someone doesn't like it .. but personally I'm glad that at least one step closer to a full-fledged "figurant")))

[vorobey]

Quote: Mechanic

Yankee withdrawal didn’t defuse the situation

Hi Zhenya. There is someone to pay off. Here are the Tuareg mixed plans a bit.
Now the spraying of forces and means occurs. And what they wanted was the theory of controlled chaos malfunctioning.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: vorobey

t. But what they wanted is the theory of controlled chaos that is malfunctioning.

Hi San, yes there are no glitches. Chaos is being run in all directions. The larger the scale it will take, the better for the USA.

[leha 2012]

This is only the appearance that is not defused. This actually changes a lot. For them, this is a strong trump card with which they convinced the militants and Europe to sing to their tune. I remember when it was announced that the sixth fleet went to the Mediterranean Sea, many said that Syria was over.

[Victor]

Quote: Sakhalininets

They always fought like that, with extremely huge forces and exclusively against those who were once weaker.

At the present stage, you are right. But I want to remind you of how the American fleet fought in World War II with Japanese squadrons. There was no smell of cowardice there. The battles were evil and uncompromising. Read the history of naval battles of the Second World War.
I really do not like amers. But as a professional military man, I also really do not like hatred and underestimation of the enemy. I don’t believe that American sailors were scared, they also have traditions for every fleet. The politicians, led by Obama, were frightened and gave the order to leave the sixth fleet. I spoke with the American military quite often. They, like us, are proud of their country and are ready to die for it. Do not flatter yourself that one amer is worth dying and the rest will run. This will not happen. But everyone is driven by the political leadership of both us and them. As for the superiority of forces in unleashing conflicts, this is a common practice for any state.

[aktanir]

What is called "the author burns." It is necessary to present the situation in this way)). I read the article without mockery, but with humor and agree with the author that nuclear weapons do wonders, even the presence of hydrocarbons does not make us a target for the United States, since we have ICBMs with nuclear warheads. And about the flight of the American fleet is ridiculous, by God. It is necessary to be included in the books on the history of the Fatherland, let the kids read and believe. Most importantly, they are charged with patriotism.

[Van]

Yes, he smiled, it seems that the super armor of Amer’s ships is the same as the structure of their cardboard houses during the hurricane, if they are so afraid of the Russian Navy ram. Probably the Black Sea story is transmitted among themselves as a terrible story before going to bed.

[Lord of the Sith]

I will add an article with such a table. True, the fleet here is not in the Mediterranean Sea, but I think it will still be interesting.

[Bazilevs]

Bigriver,
And thank God!!!!!

[starshina78]

There is a version (it was announced in English and other Western newspapers) that the American ships left the Mediterranean not just like that, but by an unspoken agreement with Russia. Allegedly, the United States finally realized that nothing good is coming out in Syria and militants from Al-Qaeda may come to power, and therefore, they say, they will not interfere if Russian ships enter Tartus, disembark the Marines and they under the guise of salvation Russian citizens will restore order in Syria. They say that the Americans do not need another Libya, where it can be - they will kill the Americans, and there will be a territory from which to attack their faithful ally - Israel. I'll make a reservation that this is a version.

[Lord of the Sith]

Yours or read somewhere?

[nagi]

In mathematical logic, there is such a statement: From a false statement you can always infer a true statement.
Your version would be more like the truth, without being in the context of the current moment. The United States has not yet fully decided on the state sovereignty of the states, so it is not up to large-scale wars.
I think that the assumption that the United States has seen the light of Al Qaeda is not correct, since the United States initially sponsored it, armed it, in order to overthrow the existing regime. In your opinion, after the fall of the regime, who in that case should have come to power? It seems that Morsi has already shown who comes to her, and enough time has passed since the imposition of "democracy" in Egypt.

[Bashkaus]

They have a different psychology, common to all mankind, where their own I is accustomed to everything. And where there is a place for I, there is no place for the concept of "must" or "duty to the motherland and honor"
So, at the expense of amerskoy psychology, a long time ago my father-in-law put me on the online game "sea battle", nothing special, you buy pirate ships, guns, walk the seas, take other online players on the gop-stop, form alliances, guilds etc.
I was sick with this toy for 3 months (despite the fact that I almost did not play and do not play games, but it was delayed only once)
And I played both on Russian maps, and on American. In Russian, everything is as usual, the horde flies on one who clearly has no chance, but this one is thrashed to the last in the hope that someone will help, but the fact of a desperate struggle pleased.
And on the American map I allowed myself to attack whole fleets of the enemy with a rather weak ship insolently, while I didn’t have a real chance to win, but for some reason the Americans scattered like scalded ones. Such an impression that they have bestial psychology, they attack only with a flock and only at the weak, but at the same time they seek to run away from any threat or any loss or loss.
I don’t want to compare the game with the American sailors and don’t think that I’ve projected everything into foolish games and project everything onto real naval formations. NO! But even children from an early age they accept this model of behavior. Of course, it is not surprising that they did the same here. It’s just that this situation reminded me very much of the game when I played it more than five years ago

[Lord of the Sith]

There was such a Delta force toy. At the end of 90 even there was no such thing as an online game, and we played on the network at clubs, or searched the server on the Internet and connected. Well, they played 5 on 5 and went to the American server. Who played there knows two sides, either for the Delta force, or for the rebels in the form of mujahideen and with Soviet weapons.

There was one moment when we all couldn’t find them. I found a village and we decided to go there.
Two of our team members were at the other end of the map - they also searched for the enemy and did not have time to reach us. Therefore, I decided as a team commander to stick in three.
Our sniper asked me to find a place on the nearest high-rise. He asked the machine gunner to take a position closer in the ruins of the barn, and he walked around the village from house to house. So the first one we killed on the edge of the village quite quickly, apparently he heard me and looked out the window of the outer house, then our sniper removed it. The second got out of the neighboring house, the position was uncomfortable and I threw a grenade into the opening, ran into the inside and finished it off.

But with three I met the Americans in the center of the village. They fled to the sounds of gunfire and apparently their cries, I suspect they also played through the headset and were one team. Well, they are running at me to their full height, and I look at them and here they are turning around and knocking over. I don’t know English very well, but our sniper in their chat in the game asked, where are you? they are silent, then he asked - after all, he alone runs at you, and you three? Then they answered - then your soldier has something that will kill the three of us! A normal person will not run alone for three!

[Hammer]

Quote: BigRiver

Not fighters are Americans. Oh, not the fighters :(

From the most dangerous thing in a war is underestimating the enemy. All of our lost wars in history began with hat-hopping moods.
Remember at least the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905.
If necessary, Americans can and can fight without Coca-Cola. Syria is simply not the same for them as it is for us. They are not yet ready for war with Russia (a nuclear power!) Because of a piece of land in the eastern Mediterranean. Especially for them (pind-wasps) this land is unnecessary. But for us this is already a front, still remote, but the front of the struggle is already for our Motherland.
Therefore, the Americans, having heard our mood, acted with dignity - quietly left without unnecessary militant rhetoric, such as celebrating Catholic Christmas. I think this is a wise move on their part.
Just don't make this farce with "hurray-patriotic" rhetoric. Everything is serious enough, and the American ships left not because they were scared of our sailors (as the author of the article claims).
Moscow just made it clear to Washington that Russia, in cases of open aggression by NATO and the United States, is ready to openly stand on the side of its faithful ally, in the flesh, until the Russian armed forces participate in the conflict. And our fleet is only a confirmation of the seriousness of our intentions.
In this situation, the Americans are not ready to invade Syria, so there is no point in holding a large fleet formation there.

[turbris]

Yes, it seems that the article is not bad, with an attempt at analysis, but these children's puppy delights, about - "6th fleet ran away", "scared of our group" - not seriously, all the military are following orders, the Americans left, having received such an order the military-political situation. There is no need to draw such conclusions, you must respect the enemy.

[INTER]

Quote: BigRiver

Not fighters are Americans. Oh, not the fighters :(

Rather, the data of the so-called fighters are too publicized in Hollywood. Behind strong words is emptiness!

[Vito]

Personally, I have all hope for their sequestration (circumcision or cutting, as you like) of their military budget!
This is now the only force that can drive US ships into home ports.
And the sooner, the better for the entire global and progressive community!
The author of the article is my separate RESPECT !!!

[Vanek]

The author in humor does not occupy of course. For work +

Conclusion from the article: the US stsut when scared.

[Papakiko]

Quote: Vanek

Conclusion from the article: usa stsut when scared

The conclusion is a little different: They are sick with Uncontrollable deformation, there is the concept of "bear disease". And they piss incessantly at every thought of the Russian Navy. With such a turn of events, I, in the place of NATO, would also start thinking about how to solve this ailment. After all, no diets help.
IF ENZYMAL INSUFFICIENCY (pancreatitis, achilic gastritis and other diseases) or in case of malabsorption in the small intestine (enteritis and other diseases of the small intestine), the secreted mass is increased due to incompletely digested food and water.
FOR MIXED DIET WITH MEAT PRODUCTS, the rate of discharge of stools is 1 time per day.
WITH MIXED DIET WITH SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF VEGETABLES, the number of bowel movements is 2 times a day.
With a raw plant diet, the number of bowel movements reaches 3-4 times a day.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Papakiko

FOR MIXED DIET WITH MEAT PRODUCTS, the rate of discharge of stools is 1 time per day.
WITH MIXED DIET WITH SUFFICIENT NUMBER OF VEGETABLES, the number of bowel movements is 2 times a day.
WITH RAW VEGETABLE DIET

You would be knotted with grass, go for a beer.

[Vito]

Papakiko . I welcome you dear !!!

Why does it seem to me that you have a medical education?
However, plus you for your sense of humor!

[Simple]

Papakiko: "IN ENZYMIC INSUFFICIENCY (pancreatitis, achilic gastritis and other diseases) or in case of disorders of the absorption process in the small intestine (enteritis and other diseases of the small intestine), EXTRACTED MASS INCREASES due to incompletely digested food and water."


Still, I made the right choice, where the doctor did not go to study.

[Sarus]

The traditions of Nakhimov and Kuznetsov cannot be squeezed out of genes just like that ..
Let these anglobabomuzhiki better than Aboriginal people in Africa scare)))

[Parabelum]

Auto RU
"The US Navy has extensive experience in maritime warfare, but Americans do not like to fight unprepared, they need time to deploy and careful."
The word "preparation" is omitted.
Best regards

[Slevinst]

I think they still need to prepare in such a way that the preponderance in everything is clearly in their favor, then only they will go to war, the whole point is to destroy the enemy with an old call and not lose anyone from their

[Drappier]

The author tried, the mood lifted but I wouldn’t idealize like that.

[Nikolko]

We have a big silushka, there is ...

[Vanek]

Quote: Nikolko

We have a big silushka, there is ...

What is true is true.

[serezhasoldatow]

Very good mood in the morning. You can’t take away the humor from the author. And a little chop to those who say that Russia and its armed forces are in shit.

[Rambiaka]

Go plot what?

[patriot2]

Oleg +
Back in December, I calculated the development of the situation in the Mediterranean Sea, I realized that ours would definitely go to Syria. But the fact that the Yaks remembered our nuclear weapons and the desperate courage of the sailors and DRAPANULI (sorry proudly retreated), speaks of their real cowardice. THEY ARE ... LEE!

[Vito]

Quote: patriot2

Back in December, I calculated the development of the situation in the Mediterranean Sea, I realized that ours would definitely go to Syria.

Is your workplace accidentally not an analytical center of the Armed Forces of RUSSIA?

patriot2 Great FRIENDLY!

[Gecko]

Maybe on our landing ships are containers with Club-K;)

[Quiet]

Maybe on our landing ships are containers with Club-K;)

The 6th Fleet was given a salary. So they rushed ... some of the women, some in the quizino, and some tossed money to the grandmother’s mail !!!!!!

[ars_pro]

the matter is clear that our boats in Middle-earth are not alone and the real picture for the US specialists is so easy to add up, if we take into account submarines, the fleet of uses has still not meant anything, I think we should not relax, especially now when the uses are leaving off the coast of Syria is so obvious also with reference to the mysterious sequestration,

[PROXOR]

Quote: ars_pro

the matter is clear that our boats in Middle-earth are not alone and the real picture for the US specialists is so easy to add up, if we take into account submarines, the fleet of uses has still not meant anything, I think we should not relax, especially now when the uses are leaving off the coast of Syria is so obvious also with reference to the mysterious sequestration,

Timeline of events for the last 3 days:
On January 15, buoys in Gibraltar briefly spotted the noise of an unknown submarine proceeding to the Mediterranean Sea. Soon the station direction finders lost her.
January 16th. Tracking stations during the day heard 2 more noise of unknown submarines.
January 17th Noise goes on throughout the day. Analysts are at a loss about the jamb of the submarine and submarine that passed into the middle sea. And given the fact that the surface surface group of Russians is approaching the Black Sea, with thugs in black berets, some Yankees squeezed OCHKO and others, who were recently on the territory of Georgia in 2008, phantom pains resumed in the area of ​​the anus.

[Kuryanin]

Quote: PROXOR

Timeline of events over the past 3 days: on January 15, buoys in Gibraltar briefly detected the noise of an unknown submarine proceeding to the Mediterranean Sea. Soon, the station direction finders lost it. January 16. Tracking stations heard 2 more noise of unknown submarines during the day. January 17 Noise is heard throughout the day. Analysts are at a loss about the jamb of the submarine and submarine that passed into the middle sea. And given the fact that the surface surface group of Russians is approaching the Black Sea, with thugs in black berets, some Yankees squeezed OCHKO and others, who were recently on the territory of Georgia in 2008, phantom pains resumed in the area of ​​the anus.

Where such information comes from. I really want it to be so, but I'm afraid if there is another duck.

[GRIGORIY1957]

Quote: Kuryanin

Where such information comes from. I really want it to be so, but I'm afraid if there is another duck.

MAYBE AND SO, BUT THIS IS NOT IMPORTANT, THE MAIN VERY WITH A HUMOR FINISHED, DIRECTLY BY THE SAMPLE OF THE ARTICLE ...

[merkel1961]

Good news, for our Fleet!

[erix-xnumx]

It is unlikely that the Americans were afraid of our squad of ships. Most likely they decided it was inexpedient to go for the possibility of an open military confrontation and are preparing some kind of heinous workaround. They are masters.

[igor.borov775]

In vain do you think so, they were not afraid of anyone, Just the time allotted to the democrats for the opposition to seize one province didn’t work out, they don’t look like little pieces of free territory, The blockade continues, They didn’t rush forward, The Turks just couldn’t cope, It seems they tried and there wasn’t the most important free territory, Moreover, the Syrian army doesn’t run away how to climb, Obama promised that if the battles near the chemical warehouses begin, the Yankees will intervene, in short, the Yankees expect success from the Patriots of the Democrats, But the Yankees found out one thing, the Army began to spend untouchable supplies - the technical means that there is nothing to replenish because of the blockade, Soon there will be a crisis or the Democrats will be kicked out or they will fill Syria with corpses, There are probably no other ways,

[patriot2]

Quote: Vito

Is your workplace accidentally not an analytical center of the Armed Forces of RUSSIA?

It's simple, yaks are seriously afraid of a nuclear conflict. In order to save their AUG from the damaging factors of nuclear weapons, they have two ways: to remove them in the base and disperse. What they conscientiously did. Yes and there is no such urgent need for the yaks to confront us and penetrate their strength in Syria. Everything is done by the hands of others, you will see whose (except for frostbitten fanatics, fighters) ... it's not yet evening. But with them, something our naval group will cope with. Hang on sailors, good luck to you!

[djon3volta]

interesting, that’s why, if it’s positive, write a comment in favor of Russia, who is minus someone?

[Slevinst]

American sailors are seriously afraid of the Russian Navy - they have long realized that when the shells run out, our ships will break through their side, as happened in the Black Sea

What happened?

[vorobey]

Quote: Slevinst

What happened?

[Slevinst]

Thank you, by the way, I found an interview with the selfless captain, who is interested in the link http://rabbit-show.ru/taran-na-chernom-more/

to tell a damn what a difference in size, a pug on an elephant, WELL MUZHIK!

[Slevinst]

Feel the difference

[TRex]

I served in Sevastopol in those years. The fleet was "raised" into the increased BG, the pilots-aviators hung up the missiles ... The sailors of the "Selfless" and SKR-6 knew that "if something does not disappear behind us," yes, the state was still there, although "perestroika" had already begun other bacchanalia ...
And on the topic of the article - bullshit. Apparently - there are agreements at the highest level. Everyone understands that within a couple of weeks the 6 fleet can be replenished with all possible forces ...

Get up, Russia! Wake up! Enemy at the gate!

[Santa Fe]

The appearance of Yorktown still differed from that shown in the diagram:

And this is a pile of a small SKR-6 on the second American ship - the destroyer Caron. A very funny and revealing case that everything is always decided by people, not technology

So close that you can touch America with your hand. In a minute, the selfless anchor that falls out of the hawse will carry this installation

[ICT]

SWEET_SIXTEEN

but I have never come across a photo of the results of a "hit", i.e. what damage after rendezvous

[Santa Fe]

Quote: TIT

but I have never come across a photo of the results of a "hit", i.e. what damage after rendezvous

(just kidding)

[ICT]

Americans really are good workers if after that they put him into operation :

Yorktown was being repaired at one of the shipyards for several months. The cruiser commander was removed from his post for passive actions and the initiative given to the Soviet ship, thereby causing moral damage to the prestige of the American Navy. The US Congress froze the budget for the naval department for almost half a year.


ok, we will look for ourselves

[Captain45]

This case is described in a cool story in A. Pokrovsky's story "For Mother Russia".

[Evrepid]

Cool! Liked the screams:
Damn it!
What is he doing!
Crazy!

Thank you from the heart laughed ...

[djon3volta]

Can you imagine what kind of courage the sailors had, that they went to ram? But this is not just courage, they knew perfectly well that the United States is the enemy of the USSR !!! and the Americans are really afraid of Russians so far. That's when the thief in law Jap for 2 years in the United States he made a Russian mafia out of 140 thousand fighters, they really went to the CIA for their state, and quickly they deceived him in extortion. Americans are afraid of Russians on their territory, and what happens if they meet Russians on neutral ..

[Tartary]

Quote: ars_pro

the matter is clear that our boats in Middle-earth are not alone and the real picture for the US specialists is so easy to add up, if we take into account submarines, the fleet of uses has still not meant anything, I think we should not relax, especially now when the uses are leaving off the coast of Syria is so obvious also with reference to the mysterious sequestration,

I agree ...
Yes, and Romanov, I think that is also right - one should expect provocations ...
It’s unforgettable that the European countries of NATO have their own opportunities to take part in the provoked mess ... Then, when the silushki from the sides are worn out, then the amers will get involved freshly, like vultures for carrion ...
We will keep our fists and each of our alarming "bundles" at the ready.
Not everything is as simple as the author presents us with excessively brave humor.

[kostyan77708]

and if the gay-European countries to tighten the gas valve, you look like Yakutsya Tsutsuki .... by the way all on Friday!
and here's another topic !!

[BruderV]

America will soon fill up the whole world with shale gas, and now it is the largest gas producer. Then at least get out of it. Previously, they threatened even Kuzkin’s mother, but here one pride is a valve.

[Armata]

Quote: BruderV

Previously, they threatened even Kuzkin’s mother, but here one pride is a valve.

Well, actually, they shout about our condom that he is talking as if he has a button in his pocket.

[Yoshkin Kot]

nt example of patriotism and respect for one’s own homeland, and its head, and it doesn’t matter her name

[Santa Fe]

Quote: kostyan77708

and here's another topic !!

I don’t play such topics

[Onotollah]

Quote: kostyan77708

and here's another topic !!

IMHO in general it is better to stay away from such a topic. I'm talking about the picture.

[vorobey]

I didn’t understand. But what is it, there are no more pirates in the middle-earth?

Thanks to the author.

[SPIRITofFREEDOM]

Nothing, nothing, and we will have such a fleet in 60 years

[Atlon]

American sailors are seriously afraid of the Russian Navy - they have long realized that when the shells run out, our ships will break through their side, as happened in the Black Sea.

And when the cartridges run out, the Marines will break the Bosko with their shoulder blades ...

[Slevinst]

I have such a conclusion based on this article. the Americans were really preparing something there, but when the Russian fleet approached, they decided that Russia would intercede for Syria if the United States got there and took their fleet first because of the uselessness so as not to start a military confrontation with Russia and secondly that there would be no incidents even between the sailors of our countries, which under certain circumstances can also develop into a confrontation

I don’t think that they were all afraid, without a doubt, of course, history teaches that the Russians are fighting to the end, it just happened that the Americans will tell us that we aren’t in business, and this is a big danger, they can freely do all kinds of official provocations, but they are not there as there were not us in Vietnam

[Botanologist]

I have such a conclusion based on this article

Most likely, our guys sat down with American guys somewhere in a cafe in Spain and said something like: "Guys, you have a fleet there, but why go into p ... with your hands? We will still come and get up, and if necessary, we will shoot everything on board. What do you want in return so as not to get confused under your feet? "
Amers naturally know what they want - Africa, Iran, something else. Bargained for 10-15 days, according to the principle "our president said that fuck you, and not a pipeline through Syria" - "well then our asked to convey that Turkey resumes flights at the border" - "yes, okay, but if that - we land all the BDK on the shore and arm the Kurds "-" no, it is not necessary with the Kurds, let's better move away, and then turn around "-" good, but then we will not veto Africa at the UN in the UN. " And so on.
Well, we agreed, the amers left, we came, and what we really agreed on - we will find out after six months to develop the situation. In any case, Turkey shut up specifically, is silent in a rag, and we somehow suddenly helped France to cram into Mali ...
We are following the situation with great interest.

[ICT]

arrows shoot, graters rub, well, everything is just like people

[Botanologist]

Grater is always better than disassembly.

[dmitreach]

Botanologist , on the other hand, the "Tartu Express" phase will come into use, it is too often that BDK ply there.

[Botanologist]

May the giving hand not be scanty!

[Captain45]

Plyusanul comment, as they say in one joke, obscene, but true.

[ars_pro]

Quote: Tartary

But then, when the silushki from the sides are frayed, then the amers will get involved freshly, like vultures for carrion ...

That is, getting into their conflict now their losses are not inevitable, even now, when our grouping is not so significant, I believe that success should be developed, taking into account all possible directions, but not in a hurry. There are still ground operations ahead, Europe is too early to go on an open conflict, but they have the opportunity to spoof, the modest silence of Turkey surprises, a lot of things depend on them, they are now like a bowl with scales.

[VPO]

Article is nonsense. Amer apparently left for other reasons. No wonder all the jackals of the Persian Gulf have been saying for a week that Syria has 4 weeks left. Apparently everything is already decided and ready. We wait. Events are clearly at a denouement. The fact that something has been decided in Syria is no longer in doubt, it is not without reason that our people got there in a rush.

[heruv1me]

You don’t have to hold the Americans for fools and cowards, at least if you felt such force behind you as an aircraft carrier, and without the first battle they would hellishly dumped. It seems to me that there is some kind of subtle game. I’m more afraid for our sailors, everyone knows the stubbornness and narrow thought of our command. No matter how they started some sort of mess.
What if the Yankees intentionally dumped so as not to scare our presence with our presence and let us get involved in the conflict in Syria ????

[PROXOR]

Quote: heruv1me

You don’t have to hold the Americans for fools and cowards, at least if you felt such force behind you as an aircraft carrier, and without the first battle they would hellishly dumped. It seems to me that there is some kind of subtle game. I’m more afraid for our sailors, everyone knows the stubbornness and narrow thought of our command. No matter how they started some sort of mess.
What if the Yankees intentionally dumped so as not to scare our presence with our presence and let us get involved in the conflict in Syria ????

That's why they piled up. Knowing ours, and not planning to use the fleet for an offensive, solely for sending air groups or sending tomohawks, ours can confront them with a fact. And when we will keep each other in sight and will give the command "Volley"! If you retreat, they will completely lose face. Ochkanut simply put. They will have a choice, either get involved in the battle or leave. And that would not be smeared in shit now, they left the reach of our Navy.

[kontrol]

good article, straight pleased

[djon3volta]

I know why you do not like what is written in the article, because it is written there because the situation is actually at the moment, that is, the Americans sailed away in response to the approach of our marine grouping.
if our ships hadn’t sent ships there, then the Americans would still have sailed there, and you would have liked it, but you wouldn’t have written it openly, you would have written that they say they are pouring Syria and not sending help there.
here there are, of course, frank patriots from USA and the West who just do not openly write glory to America, but there are many hidden pseudo patriots of Russia, who always make comments doubt the victory of Russia, I know this, for several months I have already analyzed the mood and messages of many of you.
you see, even the article of 5 minuses someone has already set, but you know why? because someone does not like what is happening, the amers molt, float away, and some of the readers here do not like it

[Slevinst]

And who are you? Dzhontravolta, is he a Russian patriot or what?

[djon3volta]

is it just a nickname, understand? but call me Eugene, I live in Russia, in the Republic of Tatarstan, Russian by nationality, show my passport and birth certificate? but what is your SLEVINST? how is it read? what is SLEVINST? some kind of slavism
I know that right now they will begin to minus me, you just don’t really like the frank truth. I posted a video there above about the ram of our Amer ship. So, there would be no such shame, the Syshashkinsky soldiers faded.

[Slevinst]

Yes, I believe I just decided to get to the bottom because of the comment, I doubt that there are those who support the United States, if only they write not from over the hill

[bdolah]

As part of the damned START II treaty, I have repeatedly had to communicate directly with the Shtatovites, from personal experience, I think that considering them idiots or weaklings is a deeply erroneous judgment. From the same experience, I think that it’s not for nothing that they dumped them from there, and not at all out of fright, but they are probably preparing some kind of meanness, otherwise they can’t.
In addition, the Syrians at different times repeatedly "mistakenly" fired at our combat units. No matter how they get drawn into a provocation ..

[engineer74]

In Libya, the Americans did not deliberately intervene, apparently, I liked it. They brought the ships out of good ...
And they can’t leave for a long time. They guaranteed the safety of shipping from Iran.

[AK-74-1]

Thanks to the author for the article. I immediately recalled the feat of "Varyag" and "Koreyets", Brig "Mercury", and also the words of Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov "Why I was not at Corfu at least a midshipman !!!"

[goody]

Article plus. The sailors from the "Selfless" are just great! Keep it up!!!

[King]

Even a tear of pride in the Russian Navy swept across her face.

[bubla5]

It was like throwing hats, but it’s not so simple, just another negotiated change of the guard in the Mediterranean, a game of cat and mouse.

[Cthulhu]

I agree with you. And this is precisely what is alarming. Not so simple. They’ve conceived something .... so to take and weaken their sphere of influence (in the military presence) in front of the geopolitical adversary, I have big doubts (IMHO). Perhaps at the top they agreed on something or they are preparing a big dirty trick for us. And judging by the yapping Mosek about the imminent resolution of the conflict in Syria is not in Assad’s favor, most likely the 2nd.

[PDM80]

Bench Press at Amerekos They were probably scared more by what goes with the squadron under water! And a spit in the face to all those who say that Russia is no longer a sea power and that we do not have a fleet, there are! It is only necessary not to lose it and strengthen it.

[755962]

The United States intends to return aircraft carriers and other ships to the base ports, as well as temporarily stop military exercises in the event of a budget sequestration, said General Martin Dempsey, head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the American Armed Forces.

"If there are reductions, we will withdraw [from the deployment areas] the aircraft carriers, return the ships to the ports, and also stop the exercises for a short time," Dempsey said, RIA Novosti reports.

As reported by the newspaper "VZGLYAD", earlier the head of the Pentagon Leon Panetta said that the Pentagon had begun to implement austerity measures aimed at mitigating the financial consequences of a large-scale cut in the US Department of Defense budget.

http://flot.com/news/navy/?ELEMENT_ID=134644

[Tirpitz]

The author wrote an article on grass. The Russian squadron was assembled from all fleets, for 4 weeks they won’t be there soon (they won’t fit in Tartus), and the United States can fill the Mediterranean Sea with ships if desired. It is generally blocked by aviation without problems, not counting the supply bases and allies.

[djon3volta]

Quote: Tirpitz

4 weeks they will not stay there soon will leave

4 weeks they will stay there,and will not leave

Quote: Tirpitz

and the United States, if desired, can fill the Mediterranean Sea with ships.

impossible, the usa does not have so many ships that would fill the entire space of the mediterranean sea. even if you collect all the ships from the whole planet, they will not fill this space.

Quote: Tirpitz

Aviation shuts down without any problems.

will not overlap, because Amers do not have so many diapers for pilots. And they do not have suicide bombers.

[BruderV]

Quote: djon3volta

impossible, the usa does not have so many ships that would fill the entire space of the mediterranean sea. even if you collect all the ships from the whole planet, they will not fill this space

Pfffff ..... in a fuss. Soap is a leper colony. Aaaaa mushroom ...)))) But the Chinese are able to fill the surface of not only the Mediterranean Sea, but also the Pacific Ocean with their submarines. The displaced water will flood the entire western coast of the United States, and after relocation to the Atlantic east. The entire surviving leadership of the states is destroyed by sighting forage for submarines floating above the flooded territory. It is because of the possibility of the development of this scenario that the Americans urgently withdraw strike groups home to save as many civilians as possible and evacuate them to Antarctica.

[djon3volta]

Quote: BruderV

But the Chinese are capable of filling their surface not only the Mediterranean Sea, but also the Pacific Ocean with their junior boats.

Quote: BruderV

Displaced water will flood the entire west coast of the United States,

it means that Chinese ships are on land, so the water did not rise in the ocean, right? But maybe all the same, China does not have so many ships, because they are not there, they do not exist, because if they were, the level of the world ocean would have risen.
so you can keep your nonsense with you.

[Nechai]

Quote: vorobey

I didn’t understand. But what is it, there are no more pirates in the middle-earth?

Not today. Their NachPO all gathered, pumps and inspires ...

[vorobey]

Quote: Nechai

pumps and inspires ...

where is it pumping up?

[Wedmak]

pumps up and inspires.

What is pumping up?

[cucun]

I think that Syria was given to us for supporting the operation in Mali ....
H.Z. such an impression ...

[djon3volta]

Mali is not our region, we have no interest there. If I honestly do not care about Mali and what happens there, but at the same time I am glad that the French and NATO warriors could suffer there.
but Syria is our field, and everyone knows that.

[Captain45]

Quote: djon3volta

but Syria is our field, and everyone knows that.

"This is our cow and we milk it!" (c) "Destructive force".
Even somehow symbolically it turned out.

[papik09]

"This is our cow and we milk it!" (c) "Destructive force".

[Botanologist]

I think that Syria was given to us for supporting the operation in Mali ....

No, Syria was bargained a little earlier. Most likely, either Iran or the cover for leaving Afghanistan. There is a separate trade in Mali, where our interests are close to the merikos - to drag the restless France into the war zone, let it cool down. In exchange, we can continue to sell weapons to Algeria. Everyone is good, except France, but these are the problems of Orland.

[Captain45]

Of course, it is not clear for what reasons: the strategic, tactical, economic or moral 6 fleet left Middle East, I am not the chairman of the committee of chiefs of staff of the USA and I am not the Minister of Defense, I don’t know their plans. I also do not have all the information on the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy or the Minister of Defense. It’s just sometimes nice to think that they are still afraid of us, which means they respect us. Against the backdrop of general shouts that the polymers have been cured and everything has already been stolen, it’s gratifying to see that the Russian fleet is alive and able to solve, perhaps not global tasks, but in one specific region for sure. And the fact that the Americans are cowardly is well known. The fact remains that there were 6 fleet in the Mediterranean Sea, our squadron appeared and the fleet left. And whoever left the battlefield won. According to this principle, the French still believe that they won the battle of Borodino.

[sincman]

As for me, everything is much more prosaic! It didn’t work in Syria - it will work in Pakistan!

By sowing CHAOS in Pakistan, arsonists will be able to rekindle not only the Middle East, but also Central Asia - the Russian underbelly, and Asia - the western borders of China, northern India.

More details can be found here:
http://telegrafist.org/2013/01/16/35672/
http://akrivich.ru/2013/01/70

How do you like this new alignment ?! The West did not succeed with Syria and this is already obvious to everyone, but the MAIN goals and objectives of the "hawks" have not gone anywhere. Our enemy is EXTREMELY SMART and no less crafty! So early rejoice ... I think we will find many more interesting things.

[Mairos]

Yeah. Do not relax. It is useful to humor about the "escaped US fleet", but to humor. The USA and the West are cunning and dangerous comrades.

[VP123]

"Let's be afraid together" cartoon

[Hug]

sincman UA January 18, 2013 12:19

As for me, everything is much more prosaic! It didn’t work in Syria - it will work in Pakistan!



Hardly! They need Pakistan stable and predicted. And then the Taliban will come - this is not gut!

[sas]

The article is not just patriotic cheers - it is already on the verge of insanity. Do not exaggerate the anger of the Americans. Yes, and cap-hatred Russia failed more than once, but apparently did not teach anything. Some.

[VP123]

Syria’s rhetoric has changed. We understood that we will not back down. In the 21st century, Russia did not lose a single game.

[andrey777]

The article will simply fly away, I haven’t laughed for so long (why are these cowards still amers)

[djon3volta]

laughs whoever laughs last ..

[Rus2012]

Quote: Captain45

Of course, it is not clear on the basis of what considerations: strategic, tactical, economic or moral 6 fleet left Middle-earth,

Vestimo, because of the determination of Russia and the tacit support of China ...
In order not to further complicate the situation and not bring to confrontation on the nuclear plane.

It could also happen to Yugoslavia, if the EBN was unyielding and decisive ...

[Wedmak]

When the eagle flew to peck Syria, a bear sat in a vest near it, not allowing the eagle to get close to the wounded prey. And all this action was silently watched by a dragon sitting on a tree nearby. Spinning around, the eagle flew into its nest.
Listen, the whole fairy tale turns out.

[Nechai]

Quote: vorobey

where is it pumping up?

The main thing is not where, but what. And where, every floor independently adapts. It can be seen that all the "good" from the humanities and soul-lovers has become forgotten, since such questions arise.

[Rus2012]

Quote: cucun

I think that Syria was given to us for supporting the operation in Mali ....
H.Z. such an impression ...

... not for support, but authorization of the UN Security Council. By the way, all the members Sat - allowed.
Let IMHO the French on the elbow, on the neck get bogged down.
Tuareg they all remember ...

[Nechai]

"Letter to the division commander" Alexander Viktorov

[Alex]

Of course, to say that our squadron was frightened of the Americans is simply ridiculous. Most likely there is some kind of agreement at the highest level. Probably no one wants to bring the situation to the new Caribbean crisis.

[djon3volta]

that’s why Putin said - you will argue with us, the world will end, leave us alone, the region will stabilize.

[Kars]

Here it is the hope of aircraft carriers. They ran to de-conserve battleships from museums. They were only challenged.))))))
the author pleased with humor

[Santa Fe]

You just have to defile the aircraft carriers))))

[Kars]

And then. But I am far from you.

December 2012, Dwight Eisenhower arrived in the eastern Mediterranean. On December 13, 2012, the invincible aircraft carrier Dwight Eisenhower unexpectedly said goodbye to everyone, and a bullet flew out of the Mediterranean Sea, heading to Norfolk's home base.
According to the official version, the ship was taken away to defuse the tense situation in this region. Hmm ... why are the Americans afraid of the "tense situation" ?! In my opinion, their entire policy is aimed at creating tensions around the world.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Kars

And then. But I am far from you.

if all 10 Nimitsev constantly keep in position in the Mediterranean, the American people will cook flour bags and collect quinoa

[Kars]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

Nimitsev constantly hold on to positions in the Mediterranean

And how does the position in the Mediterranean Sea differ from the position in the Persian Gulf or Hawaii? That there is Pearl Harbor, that Rota is here. Gibraltar, I wrote to you more than once that the content of an aircraft carrier is one thing, but the fact that its combat capability directly depends on constant trips and flights is another.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

flour bags and collect quinoa

and you so want for Russia heels AUG)))))))

[Kars]

I forgot to insert a photo.

Quote: Kars

"Dwight Eisenhower" suddenly said goodbye to everyone, and a bullet flew

The number is certainly not the same, but imagine that 69

[morehod73]

Pathetic and nothing more. As one not stupid person said, "Patriotism must be supported by something ...". Our group, sadly, of serious opposition, in this composition, the AUG "amers" is not able to provide ... And the tasks before it are not military, but political ... So the conversation about the fact that the AUGili ADG were scared "reckless Russian sailors" are nothing more than personal "ruminations" akin to shapkozakidatelstvo, which does not lead to anything good, especially at sea ....! Nothing personally, only on the case ...

[stalker]

the author you are done! so beautifully painted! I neighing right up to tears!))))

[djon3volta]

Quote: stalker

neighing right up to tears!

Are you Sobchak or something? Or oatmeal cookies overeating?

[stalker]

minus you, do not smash nonsense, if you do not have a sense of humor these are your problems

[USNik]

the total number of ships of the Sixth Fleet reached 40 units! To date, most of them have left the Mediterranean Sea, and the rest of the ships lurked in the bases.

Judging by the speed of escape, the United States suspected the presence of special warheads for anti-ship missiles on our ships. And about the heels of DEPV in the waters ...

[BruderV]

As a result of the operation to successfully expel the 6th US fleet from the Mediterranean, the RF Ministry of Defense announced a tender for the creation of improved models for hats for sailors and fleet officers with improved aerodynamic characteristics. This unparalleled type of weaponry will now have the ability to defeat low-flying fighters over the horizon, have a greater likelihood of hitting any underwater objects at any depths, as well as volley fire at ground targets in the rear of the enemy, as well as the ability to target by laser target designation.

[Max]

The American fleet could leave the parking lot near Syria because The Russian squadron plans to conduct large-scale exercises there, and this withdrawal of the Yankees could simply be negotiated at a high level between the two countries. Do not forget that now peacetime and politicians continue to communicate with the military of both countries every day. Here the minus to the author that he did not mention this as an alternative.
Plus, for the reminder that nuclear weapons level out the advantage in the number and even the quality of the Yankees and RF escdr with the right strategic application, i.e. in other words, the one who starts the fight will win.

[Check]

Quote: Slevinst

Our sailors, on the contrary, are ready to fight in any conditions - this is our main and only trump card; unexpected techniques and desperate courage devalue any Aegis and Tomahawk.

That's for sure!)

The Durak complex is one of the most formidable in service with the Russian army.
It is its unpredictability that frightens our enemies most of all.
They know that when switching to the operating mode with the strange, untranslatable name “fucking”, this complex becomes the most dangerous of all types of weapons ever created by humanity.

[ben05]

I decided to register for the plus, but I couldn’t get the plus.
The Durak complex is one of the most formidable in service with the Russian army.
It is its unpredictability that frightens our enemies most of all.
They know that when switching to the operating mode with the strange, untranslatable name “fucking”, this complex becomes the most dangerous of all types of weapons ever created by humanity. Well said.

[Armavir]

Thanks to the author for the article, I read it with interest and even a little pride and enthusiasm. The only shame and pity is that we have to gather such a group from 3 seas. May God grant that in the future, something can change for the better.

[Dimka off]

Yes, it’s true that Americans are not fighters. But we still don’t have the most powerful ships there. It's nice to know that our sailors by their mere presence are already instilling fear in the enemy)

[Clueless]

the main thing is that the United States does not detonate some kind of nuclear mine, when almost all of our significant forces are there, they will kill a bunch of birds with one stone

and then somehow suspiciously they galloped away from there

[deman73]

and what an excellent article, but maybe our fleet is not strong like Amer’s, but it never gives up, and even more so the warriors from the ov are not any

[BruderV]

Yes, it’s rare to find a leper colony like the one on this site. Direct issue of Pioneer Dawn for 79. Have you even seen these Americans? I was always amazed by all the stern patriots on the sites, and how they would see Americans at an exhibition where they would immediately rush to take pictures with them, almost lick their ass and kiss the gums of blacks, frantically remembering something from “London from the Capital of Great Britain” . Do you know any specific example why you are not warriors? There were a lot of cases when their soldiers covered grenades with themselves. Regarding the fact that they almost always fight with an unequal enemy, why is this a minus? It would be better, like in Chechnya, to throw newly recruited conscripts against trained militant mercenaries to even out the chances?

[Woland]

I beg you, write something else...You write so beautifully.

[Edgar]

Well done you BruderV!
well said

[vorobey]

Quote: BruderV

and how where do they see Americans at an exhibition where they immediately rush to take pictures with them, almost lick their ass and kiss the gums of blacks,

I already spoke about my personal experience of communicating with NATO inspectors. when two amers were almost pushed out like kittens by the scumbag there was a reason. Don't bother sticking your nose where it doesn't belong. I later received Lyulei - they complained. By the way, the Germans only suppressed their smiles and pretended that they had not noticed anything.

And by the way, in communication with each other there were a Belgian and two Germans. a Dutchman and two Amer, these two were just like from a leper colony. when everyone went one way and the Americans went the other, one German said to the other, like, click them, where are they?
This purely Russian wave raised his hand and lowered it powerlessly and said a lot about the NATO bloc. Got it through Za.

[PDM80]

Well, yes, Americans love to fight with an unequal enemy! Ashno is at war with entire countries, destroying their people cowardly from the air, and they love the prisoners so much, oh, you watch the video and think what great fellows, they imprisoned them here, they shot them from a helicopter there. The Americans were never distinguished by their valor during the Second World War, they surrendered for my dear. As for taking pictures, I won’t tell you from Krasnoyarsk for other cities, but here they would rather snatch them than take pictures with them

[Captain45]

Quote: BruderV

Yes, it’s rare to find a leper colony like the one on this site anywhere.

So what are you doing so clean in this “leper colony”? Run away from here quickly, otherwise you will get infected.

[46bob46]

if, in your words, love for the Motherland is leprosy, you won’t be able to cure anyone here.
it's forever. It's better to treat yourself.

[Hug]

BruderV RU January 18, 2013 15:09 ↑

“Yes, it’s rare to find such a leper colony as on this site. Direct issue of the Pioneer Dawn for the year 79...”




5 points!!!

[Armavir]

Clueless,
this is definitely something you can expect from them) especially since they already have some experience in such actions))).

[alexey1978]

Let's look at things soberly - the American fleet in that region is cooler than the Russian one - there are more planes and ships. I don't like it, but that's the reality. The Americans left not because they are afraid of Russian ships, but because they did not want to start a war with Russia over Syria.

[Mobidic]

It is not known exactly why the ships left, but it is clear that we are capable of creating unnecessary movements for the amers and changing their plans, this is already good

[DERWISH]

That’s right, let them go!!!

[tolan777]

Nonsense, the article is minus for the mischief.
After all, it’s a no brainer that even without Turkey’s help, the Americans have more resources and means of influence in that region than the Russian Federation. They just don't want to get involved.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: tolan777

Nonsense, the article is minus for the mischief.
After all, it’s a no brainer that even without Turkey’s help, the Americans have more resources and means of influence in that region than the Russian Federation. They just don't want to get involved.

It’s better to be a jingoist, a non-systemic oppositionist who can only throw mud at everything without offering anything in return

For example, I am pleased with this news because, in fact, after the Russian squadron entered the Mediterranean, the American squadron left it. That perhaps we, by our arrival, ruined some plans for them regarding our Syrian friends.

Purely moral satisfaction, which does not in any way affect the critical assessment of the real state of affairs.

[pavlo007]

It’s better to be smart, analyze the situation, love your Motherland, be ready to defend it until your last breath from, alas, a much stronger enemy, and not write nonsense, otherwise it turns out that after such articles the very concept of patriotism begins in the eyes of many to be synonymous with stupidity . And there is nothing good about this.

[vorobey]

Quote: pavlo007

analyze the situation

and just read carefully. The author also has critical articles on issues of the same construction and development of the fleet.

[vorobey]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

It’s better to be a jingoist, not a non-systemic oppositionist

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

Purely moral satisfaction, which does not in any way affect the critical assessment of the real state of affairs

sometimes our views coincide. Thank you again for the article.

[NKVD]

It’s better to be an excessive patriot like the author of this article than to be a moronic non-systemic oppositionist who is ready to screw everything up and offer nothing in return. Although in reality the Americans only know how to fight with the weak. Where there is an opportunity to really get punched in the teeth, they prefer to leave in silence. If they are ready to wage negotiations with the backward, illiterate Taliban are no match for them with Russia

[niklev65]

And it’s a huge plus for you!!! There is no alternative... We scare what we have. And whoever is not scared, it’s not my fault!!! It’s better for the non-systemic opposition not to meddle in foreign policy, not at its level (to put it mildly).

[Dimka off]

I give it a thumbs up. Many people now crap on their homeland and the army, but they will have to fight with their own equipment, no matter what it is (well, if someone wants to become a deserter, that’s a different story). Even if they are on spaceships with plasma cannons, we will still go against them. And they will crap themselves - their opponents are only rebels from third world countries with destroyed equipment or without it at all.

[MG42]

The Amers are simply accustomed to the fact that the Russians always do not interfere (since the times of Yugoslavia), so they became insolently impudent, and then suddenly there was a misfire obloms = quickly reeled in the fishing rods = need to regroup and think about everything = dry the diapers at the same time . Article plus..

[niklev65]

I completely agree with you! If they went crazy when we didn’t go out anywhere... then now they are in complete turmoil! Russians are so unpredictable...

[Bigriver]

MG42
niklev65

I agree guys, exactly from this perspective!
Floating "iron" is a strong thing. But the Russian character will be stronger.
The World needs to remember this and not forget it anymore.

[Armata]

Quote: BigRiver

I agree guys, exactly from this perspective!
Floating "iron" is a strong thing. But the Russian character will be stronger.
The World needs to remember this and not forget it anymore.

Well, everyone shouted HURRAY after they sent our entire heavy fleet to Syria. Who will guard our borders?

[Bigriver]

Mechanic
Well, everyone shouted HURRAY after they sent our entire heavy fleet to Syria. Who will guard our borders?

There is no need to shout, nor to be nervous;)
Let everyone mind their own business and be responsible for it.

[MG42]

Mechanic,
Why can't you be happy? Syria = an ally of Russia, if you lose allies at this rate, then soon the Americans will take on Iran and then the missile defense system will be completely in the Caspian Sea. As long as there is a Strategic Missile Forces, the amers will not attack Russia, or if they do not surround the missile defense system on all sides in order to protect themselves by at least 90% by improving it, then they can strike the first blow. In short, the closer the missile defense system is to the borders, the more effective it is, because The rocket is most vulnerable during takeoff. The United States will never be a friend of Russia.

[Botanologist]

Who will guard our borders?

Why a fleet at all? In the near future, the poachers and the Sobol will be chased away, and the large landing craft will be seized to rot at the piers. There is a work

[Santa Fe]

gigantic storage and refrigeration chambers, almost six thousand crew members.

It was not in vain that we worried about refrigeration chambers:

[MG42]

The final point of the cargo's journey.

[Santa Fe]

What tin

[MG42]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

What tin

[Castor oil]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

It was not in vain that we worried about refrigeration chambers:

I thought about the same

[воронов]

Amers are insured

[ansimov]

Yes, they went around the corner while we were conducting exercises, and then they came back again. And it also seems to me that they were asked to leave for 5 minutes.

[Cynic]

Banter of course this article, I support the opinion already expressed in this sense, and most importantly, a correct and timely banter!
Whatever a ... would say the opposite! I think the little hands tremble in anticipation of someone who is affectionate to write!
Post hoc non est propter hoc After that does not mean because of that!

[homosum20]

I think this is the result of the pre-election agreements between Obama and (through Medvedev) Putin. As a result, the obvious enemies of Syria in the military corps were removed. The result of Obama's "more flexibility" after the election.
Of course, given that America is not doing anything that would be disadvantageous to it.

[Black]

The US Navy has extensive experience in naval warfare, but Americans do not like to fight unprepared, they require time to deploy and thorough preparation. Our sailors, on the contrary, are ready to fight in any conditions - this is our main and only trump card
I want to cry!!!!!

[sas]

The threat posed by the Russian Navy group could only make the amers smile. I think the Yankees are the last thing on their minds about your ships. Why the hell did they even go there? Show power? This power, to put it mildly, is very doubtful. They collected from all the fleets what could reach Syria and sent it.
Well, we hung out there, we showed off, and then what? This is an episode, just one episode. Oh, well, maybe Assad’s little gold was taken away, so that he would have a reason to live in Moscow later.

[djon3volta]

tell us about the Ukrainian fleet, it’s so interesting what you have there, what naval tasks your fleet performs, where it sails, can you tell us?

[Simon]

And this Sas actually knows anything about its Ukrainian fleet. Smile, smile, and our Russian fleet still enjoys authority and respect throughout the world. And it was not in vain that the amers pulled back, they know that we Russians are not predictable, we can fight not according to the rules, besides, there is a fleet on the water, and it is not yet known how many Varshavyankas are floating under water.

[homosum20]

SAS, you are evil. And there are many people like you in your country. That's why you live like this.

[sas]

I'm not evil and we live normally. I have never met more evil people than the Rutsk jingoistic patriots. They all fight with someone, “liberate” someone, set them on the right path... Really, it’s funny.

[papik09]

Yes, really..... If only our Ukrainian Navy , if it were full the Fleet doesn’t sail further than the Black Sea, I think it’s afraid of drowning

[sas]

In Ukraine there is a Navy, not a Navy, and the conversation is not about us now.

[VP123]

However, the Russian Fleet is the only one in the world that had a sobering effect on the United States

[silver_roman]

Oh, I really doubt that such an armada fled, afraid of our squadron. Of course, “Moscow” can give heat together in Varyag, but still their composition is simply amazing. really the strongest fleet, and this is only a small part of the entire combat power of their Navy....

Now more than ever you should be wary of any hidden motives, etc. I think before. As the 6th Fleet left the Mediterranean, it carefully scattered rakes throughout the Middle East with the goal of pushing us towards them and then showing it all on all world channels. I would not be surprised if some “prickly” events occur in Syria during our exercises that could cast a shadow on the image of our country, which has been diligently spoiled by the same foreign media.
God grant that everything goes smoothly and without incidents.

[sas]

"Moscow" conducts missile firing once every five years. The last time, if I'm not mistaken, was in 2008. Who can they give heat to? And there’s nothing to say about the 6th Fleet.

[silver_roman]

those. Is the Vulcan missile system a Chinese fireworks display in your opinion??? Well, well... I don’t even see the point in proving anything anymore

[sas]

Did you even read what I wrote? Did I write that the P-1000 is a bad complex? No. So why all the “body movements” about fireworks? Like witty? I repeat for you: the last time RK “Moscow” carried out missile firing with the P-1000 complex was in 2008. With such preparation you will greatly hate fighting against the Amers. If I'm wrong, correct me, but there's no need to change the arrows.

[Strategy]

It’s good that you have unreliable information about the latest shooting of the RK “Moscow”)))

[silver_roman]

like there’s no need to be rude, “so smart” was found here.....
the fact that live firing was not carried out does not at all speak about the competence and training of the Moskva crew. this only casts a Slight shadow on the P-1000 complex itself. and on the cruiser itself, simulated combat firing can be carried out, without directly launching missiles, at least every month or week, which will not even be mentioned in the media. so go watch Discovery!!!!

[silver_roman]

oops, the downvoted guys came running, who are downvoting and can’t say anything to justify it. All I can say is regret about this.
you need to face the truth. I gave the article a minus for the stupidest analysis of the situation. Of course, I want everything to be exactly as it looks, but alas.... even close to us we are not in military power, but considering. that in addition to the US fleet there is also a NATO fleet, then I am silent. In short, it was in vain that I started this debate, because... in this case, I have not found either adequate thoughts or adequate discussions here.

p.s. You can minus until your fingers dry out. I don't care about that

[916-th]

silver_roman:
he carefully scattered rakes throughout the Middle East with the goal of pushing us towards them and then showing it all on all world channels

Roman, I add your previous post regarding the rake. I agree with you, see my post just below.

[Cynic]

Quote: silver_roman

oops, the minus guys came running,

You can understand them; just like you, they don’t understand jokes/banter.

All these reasonings were frightened/not really frightened by reasoning at the level of yard groups or neighboring sandboxes!

[silver_roman]

whoever wants to joke, let him go to Petrosyan’s full house, but here we seem to be talking about serious topics.

[homosum20]

"The greatest stupidities in the history of mankind were committed with the most serious expression on their faces"
Baron Munchausen.

[freedom]

Only a plus for you.

[Edgar]

article from the series - we'll throw our hats in. Author! What fictional world do you live in?

[sas]

In a world called "SCOOP"

[Centuri0n]

Sas, you are on the wrong site, go to the site http://korrespondent.net/, that’s where you can salivate even if you don’t want to

[Cynic]

Quote: Edgar

Author! What fictional world do you live in?

And to clarify, read other articles, essentially, in front of witnesses, not even an inveterate idiot will climb into someone else’s house.
Hmm, won't it work?
It will only help if the witness is an accomplice, as in Libya!

[916-th]

Everything is not so simple and jingoistic off the coast of Syria. I do not exclude the possibility of some cunning provocation against our group during the exercises. And the US fleet left so as not to be compromised during the impending villainy.

After the exercises, our people will sooner or later go to their bases, and the amers will return dressed all in white and with a feeling of “righteous indignation” they will carry out their dirty deeds. They can’t just leave, something is afoot according to the Anglo-Saxon scenario.

[silver_roman]

Likewise, I’m upvoting your post, Stanislav, because opinions are almost the same.

[Apsil]

simplicity is worse than theft, the amers were driven away, you know?

and the NATO members don’t need to plot anything, they’ll quietly wait on the sidelines until ours mess up something, let’s hope that during the Grandiose exercises they won’t drown each other and will return safe and sound to their permanent bases

[CCA]

I agree..., the article was written in a half-joking form and with elements of sarcasm... But this does not negate the essence... And yet, the Americans, I think, were not afraid of our ships, but of the possible confrontation with Russia and the proximity to the southern borders of the Russian Federation, with the possibility of guaranteed destruction by non-nuclear ballistic missiles from the territory of the Russian Federation, with the absence of any kind of missile defense at the approach line from this side... And the possibility of covert patrolling of this area by our submarines is also not excluded...

[Cynic]

Quote: KKA

And yet, the Americans, I think, were not afraid of our ships, but of a possible confrontation with Russia

You're right, they weren't afraid of our ships! After all, for them, serving in the Armed Forces is just a job, a business, but now a threat has loomed: they won’t pay money for the service!
So they pulled closer to the shores, and then suddenly go home at their own expense!

[Russian officer]

Oh, how many of you climbed out at once
If the Motherland needs it, we will fight with our hats and gnaw with our teeth. It is not a sin to die for your land. And for a soldier there is no better death than death in battle on his own Earth!
Now go on a rampage!

[Dimka off]

Quote: Russian officer

If the Motherland needs it, we will fight with our hats and gnaw with our teeth

and there is nothing to add. A hefty plus

[to water]

I agree!

[Mironk]

Where is your land in the Eastern Mediterranean? And the article is reminiscent of Grandfather Krylov’s fable about an elephant and...

[wax]

In this case, the issue was decided not by force, but by will, based on the concept of rightness (our cause is right!).

[Santa Fe]

The moldy submarine of capitalism (La Maddalena)

[Larus]

We got out of there because... Witnesses of another Chinese provocation appeared, which they were preparing for an attack on Syria.

[Nikolko]

djon3volta,
Hello Eugene
Well, maybe it’s the liberals who are downvoting there
Or a professor from Israel
And most likely both :D

[djon3volta]

so in the morning the article was -5, now it’s -37... there’s a hundred pounds of a team of several “rambleroids” who actively search through all the news and comments, don’t enter into conversation and only give minuses, and give their buddies pluses... this system with + - They are specially implemented on websites to create public opinion.

[Nikolko]

Clueless,
Are they even sick, is there a nuclear landmine there?
If they use nuclear weapons against our ships, then in response a missile will fly to the base of their aircraft carriers!

sas,
And your fleet there in Ukraine is so strong, strong, even the Americans can’t compete with you
In Russia, in any case, we are NOW building more than 30 surface ships and submarines
And dozens of ships are undergoing repairs and modernization
For example, all 3 ships of the Orlan project are now being repaired and modernized
So shut your mouth and don't talk

[Simon]

Yeah, and they somehow repaired the only submarine.

[sas]

Has Ukraine sent its ships to the shores of Syria? No. So what does the Navy have to do with it? Did I talk somewhere about the power of the Ukrainian Naval Forces? Or is Ukraine claiming the role of “a superpower again? You wrote all this off topic.
And how many of these 30 under construction are 1st rank ships? How many aircraft carriers?, How many cruisers? Destroyers? Maximum - frigate. And everything else is corvettes and artillery ships. Submarines? Well, well, the day before yesterday "Varshavyanka" and the unremarkable "Boreas"
Regarding closing your mouth, I forgot to ask you.

[Don]

Quote: Sas

Or is Ukraine claiming to be a “superpower again?”

Well, it looks like Ukraine doesn’t need a fleet at all.

Quote: Sas

And how many of these 30 under construction are 1st rank ships? How many aircraft carriers?, How many cruisers? Destroyers? Maximum - frigate. And everything else is corvettes and artillery ships. Submarines? Well, well, the day before yesterday "Varshavyanka" and the unremarkable "Boreas"
Regarding closing your mouth, I forgot to ask you.

Before you talk Russophobic nonsense, you need to think about it. Frigates and corvettes are an integral part of the fleet; all countries have them, and that’s why the Russian Federation also builds them. Boreas are not outstanding? Sane? The 4th generation nuclear strategic submarine missile carrier is, in your opinion, nonsense. The same probably as nuclear submarines with cruise missiles of the Yasen project. This is the same as saying that 5th generation aircraft are not outstanding in any way. First read their performance characteristics and their capabilities. The Ukrainian Navy can only dream about it. The modernization of the Orlan TAKR project was tactfully bypassed. A project for a guided missile destroyer is already being developed, as is a project for a new aircraft carrier. And most importantly, money is allocated for all this and construction.

Quote: Sas

Well, well, the day before yesterday "Varshavyanka"

Actually, they started being built in the mid-90s, and improved versions are being built for the Russian Federation.

[Captain45]

Oh, how, already a lieutenant colonel! I serve the Fatherland and the site! I’ll go pump up a hundred for this occasion and Happy Epiphany to you, forum members! Damn, when will these holidays end? “Comrade privateer, when will they give us something to eat? Never, comrade soldier. This is the army!” (c) film "DMB"

[Nicotine 7]

I would like to thank the author of the article for a very good job!

[BruderV]

The essence of the article and comments can be expressed approximately as follows. Read in Dzhigurda's voice:
Oh, when I marry Mother Rus' and marry the Tsar, Father Volodymyr the Bright-Eyed, to fast, and I throw my brave cap and with the heroic strongman in one direction, the whole army of witches will lie down on the battlefield, and when I throw it in the other direction, the adversary’s boats will return home with disgrace and They will dissolve in the depths of the sea.

[erased]

I don't like the tone of the article! The reason for the departure of the US fleet is known - internal problems with financing, due to which the fleet may be laid up off the coast of America. And this is presented as a resounding victory for our group.
This is a harmful article, it confuses common sense and strongly smacks of portentousness!
Respect the enemy and treat him as at least an equal until he wins!!! This is true psychology! We haven't won yet!!! There is no point in pretending to be a pug!
Perform your tasks with dignity, increase the combat effectiveness of the army and navy and be ready for war! And not scream like a flock of macaques at the sight of a leaving lion.
This is the lot of the weak. Or does the author consider his country weak?..

[Hug]

erased (1) RU January 18, 2013 21:43:
"I don't like the tone of the article!..."


Well done! And then this jingoism... Sometimes you need to think with your head, and not with newspaper headlines!

[rumpeljschtizhen]

Yes...............I've shot people like the author. The promoter is terrible nonsense............ (unless of course it's banter)

[Nechai]

Today, the landing craft "Michman Lermontov" of project 21820 "Dugong" was laid down at the Yaroslavl Shipyard OJSC. The boat with serial number 703 became the third for the Yaroslavl Shipyard and the fifth in the series.
Designer - OAO Central Design Bureau for SEC named after R.E. Alekseeva "(Nizhny Novgorod)
Specifications:
Displacement: 280 t. (Full)
The main dimensions: length - 45 m, width - 8.6 m, draft - 2.2 m.
Maximum travel speed: 35 knots
Crew: 6 people
Airborne capability: 3 tank or 5 armored vehicles
Armament: two 14,5-mm MTPU machine gun installations
Серия:
"Ataman Platov" (serial number 811) - as part of the Caspian Flotilla (pictured)
“Ivan Kartsov” (serial number 4001) - under construction at OJSC “Vostochnaya shipyard”.
"Denis Davydov" (serial number 701) - under construction (laid down 18.01.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX)
"Lieutenant Rimsky-Korsakov" (serial number 702) - in construction (laid 21.06.2012)
"Michman Lermontov" (serial number 703) - in construction (laid 18.01.2013)
All boats were named in honor of the heroes of the Patriotic War 1812 of the year.

[erased]

Here's the good news! I didn't know, thank you.

[I think so]

they laid a shallow trough like a punt, and the delight was through the roof...

[Nikolko]

Perhaps this picture would be suitable for this article?..

[Setrac]

Yes, the article was written in a humorous tone, but that does not change the essence of the event. But the essence is this: missile ships (Russia) came - the main striking force of the modern fleet, aircraft carriers - the main striking force of the Second World War - left.
So, missiles, let’s look at what the United States has, and they have the Harpoon missile in the amount of 8 pieces per one ship of the warrant (no matter a destroyer or cruiser), we carry out a simple arithmetic calculation and find out the total salvo of missiles of the warrant. In addition, there is an air group - fifty aircraft carrying the same harpoons, an air version, let the experts tell you how many there are on the aircraft carrier. Let me draw your attention to the fact that “Harpoon” is not a Vulcan or a Basalt, it’s more like a Club or Uranus. A subsonic missile that can be shot down.
How successfully American aviation will operate in the S300F operating area is an open question; of course, they can attack from afar, but the success of such attacks will be the opposite of the launch range.
The reverence for aircraft carriers is unclear.
Let me add that harpoons were put into service in 1977, and the Americans have no complexes about this.

[BruderV]

What is a radio horizon, carrier-based AWACS aircraft, air attack from ultra-low altitudes due to the radio horizon, study electronic warfare aircraft. And there’s nothing to talk about. We can only say that in the event of an attack from the American AUG, our surface ships will only have about 5 minutes to live. To begin with, the S-300 must be aimed, and before that the target must be detected.

[Setrac]

Well, no one promised that it would be easy, what does Syria have with AWACS? What about helicopters from ships? There are options, not everything is so gloomy. The electronic warfare capabilities of a ship and an aircraft are incomparable. And with all this, the harpoon remains a subsonic missile.

[BruderV]

Syria does not have AWACS aircraft. There is, in my opinion, only one ship helicopter there for the entire squadron (there are only 2 in service with the fleet) and its detection range capabilities are not comparable to Pendov’s Hawkeyes. The detection range of fighters is 100-150 km in total, that is, they can shoot back undetected, and the number of ships is 250-285, that is, they also may not enter the detection zone. Hawkeye can see a flying target at a distance of 250 to 540 km. As for the detection of ships, there is quite a lot of shipping there, and from thousands of signals it is necessary to understand exactly where the non-civilian ones are.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Setrac

And with all this, the harpoon remains a subsonic missile.

That's how it's calculated.
Ahead is the supersonic HARM. Harpoon - against a defenseless target with broken radars. There is no need for it to be supersonic - otherwise it will be too heavy and unreasonably expensive.

[Kars]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

That's how it's calculated.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

supersonic HARM.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

Harpoon There is no need for him to be supersonic

What is the gap between the point at which Harm reaches the target and the approach of Harpoon? How will Harm fly first to hit a ship with a disabled radar at a speed of 20-30 knots? When the radar is switched off, Harm follows the last radar coordinates.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Kars

What is the interval between the point at which Harm reaches the target and the approach of Harpoon?

We can assume that a minute (2 times less speed).
But you won’t be able to find out about this - your radar is turned off

Quote: Kars

How will Harm hit a ship flying first with a disabled radar at a speed of 20-30 knots?

No way, he'll miss.
but it will ensure the Harpoons unhindered completion of the assigned task.
That's the whole point. Turn on the radar and you'll get Harm. Turn off the radar and you'll get the Harpoon

[Kars]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

We can assume that a minute (2 times less speed).

Huge time.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

But you won’t be able to find out about this - your radar is turned off

Not for long.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

but it will ensure the Harpoons unhindered completion of the task

Have optical and thermal imaging devices already been cancelled?

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

Turn on the radar and you'll get Harm. Turn off the radar and you'll get the Harpoon

only in your imagination. And so far no such attacks have actually been carried out.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Kars

Huge time.

Who is stopping you from making the attack more differentiated:
several groups - launch in such an order that Harpoons and Harpoons enter the affected area of ​​the ZRAK simultaneously (or almost simultaneously)

Quote: Kars

Not for long.

Disconnected at the most important time

Quote: Kars

Have optical and thermal imaging devices already been cancelled?

The AK-630 only has a radar. or manual mode through the viewfinder

In any case, the machine’s burst will end before the attack ends, and there will be no time to reload

Quote: Kars

only in your imagination. And so far no such attacks have actually been carried out.

The same scenario was used to fight ground-based air defense systems. Only instead of anti-ship missiles there were KAB and cluster bombs
Turn on the radar - get Shrike or Harm. If you turn off the radar, the harmonic will still hit the place where the signal last came from. Did you manage to transport the mobile radar to a new position? - planes will seed a new position with cluster bombs

[Kars]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

so that the Harpoons and Harms enter the affected area of ​​the ZRAK simultaneously (or almost simultaneously)

How many difficulties, and at the same time your whole theory of attack

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

It's time! The planes are making a slide (at this moment the S-300 will detect air targets) - purchasing Kharpus and Harpuns for homing - again going to low altitude. The signal is gone - the S-300 (S-400, Patriot, Aegis) is useless.

A terrible dilemma arises before the doomed ship: given the short distance, it is impossible to fight off even ten small, but fast and evil HARMS, the only way out is to turn off the radar

It’s completely falling apart. And at the same time, it requires such complex coordination that it’s unlikely to succeed in combat conditions.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

The AK-630 only has a radar. or manual mode through the viewfinder

And what did you immediately shoot on the AK 630? Like anti-aircraft missiles do not have thermal seekers, active seekers (there will be a picol if Harm points at an anti-aircraft missile) photo-contrast seekers.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

In any case, the machine’s burst will end before the attack ends, and there will be no time to reload

Who told you such nonsense?

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

Disconnected at the most important time

But I’m wondering what radar will Kharma point at? On the illumination radar on the main mast, on the Kortika guidance radar, AK-630

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

General detection, navigation, several fire control radars + each SAM

So it’s not a fact that the fire control radar will need to be turned off))))))
And at this time SM-1/SM-2 MR and B-611 (4K60) 9M38/9M38M1
48Н6
Shot down by Hornets

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Kars

And at the same time, such complex coordination is required that it is unlikely to succeed in combat conditions.

70 years ago they were able to carry out clearly coordinated attacks by dozens and hundreds of aircraft. Without radars and with not the most perfect communications. Hundreds of kilometers away.
There are a lot of examples - the murder of Yamamomto, for example
The Japs are not suckers either - Pearl Harbor alone is worth it. A clear attack, although not without errors (of course! The groups were controlled with the help of signal flares)

And here there are only 10-15 Hornets

Quote: Kars

What did you immediately shoot on the AK 630?

I come from real conditions, and not from combat fiction

[Kars]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

carry out clearly coordinated attacks on tens and hundreds of aircraft

thank you, I had a good laugh. confusion. a series of mistakes and accidents. like Midway.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

There are a lot of examples - the murder of Yamamomto, for example

Of course, I chose an excellent example, the interception by Lightings of an admiral whose path was revealed by reconnaissance. It’s a pity I read Yamato first, and began to write that almost a quarter of the planes simply could not find the target.

You seem to be smart about Murphy's Laws? Have you heard of them?

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

The Japs are not suckers either - Pearl Harbor alone is worth it. A clear attack, although not without errors (of course! The groups were controlled with the help of signal flares)

What’s wrong with attacking the enemy without declaring war, and at the same time being afraid to make a second approach. Not to mention that the place is an old battleship junk, it would be more effective to destroy the fuel storage facility and docks.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

And here there are only 10-15 Hornets

Which even now I continue to please each other with friendly fire and accidents. So it’s too complicated, and again it ruins all your calculations, especially since the supersonic ones will fly up first, the sonic ones will come later, you’ve already mixed everything up and exposed the Hornets to attack.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

I come from real conditions, and not from combat fiction

Honestly? And why did you allow yourself such opuses?

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

The signal is gone - S-300 (S-400, Patriot, Aegis) is useless

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

Even if fifty is the khan to everything within the range of his aircraft

Storyteller)))))))))))

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Kars

thank you, I had a good laugh. confusion. a series of mistakes and accidents. like Midway.

All important targets were destroyed (sunk, destroyed, intercepted). That's the joke

Quote: Kars

interception by Lightings of an admiral whose path was revealed by intelligence

And in our case, the interception of a cruiser, the path of which was opened by Hokai

Quote: Kars

I first read Yamato, and began to write that almost a quarter of the planes simply could not find the target.

The keyboard is crap, the buttons get stuck from communicating with you))))

Normal result. 85% reached the target. No radar, GPS or satellite communications. The attack was perfectly coordinated, 11 torpedoes on one side, practically no losses

Quote: Kars

Not to mention that the place is an old battleship junk, it would be more effective to destroy the fuel storage facility and docks.

This is a question for the developers of the operation. The performers did everything brilliantly.

Quote: Kars

Honestly? And why did you allow yourself such opuses?

At least I give examples of real-life systems and compare the real situation off the coast of Syria
And not the mythical “firing radar simulators” and “beating ships”

Quote: Kars

Storyteller)))))))))))

Hans Christian Andersen

[Kars]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

All important targets were destroyed (sunk, destroyed, intercepted). That's the joke

The joke is that you are handsome. Why are you jumping off?

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

they were able to carry out clearly coordinated attacks by tens and hundreds of aircraft

and this is an excellent indicator.
Even your example

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

killing Yamamomto for example

and that showed your failure of logic - there were a dozen planes there.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

And in our case, the interception of a cruiser, the path of which was opened by Hokai

An unequal example: if it was opened, then radar radiation would be detected on the cruiser.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

The keyboard is crap, the buttons get stuck from communicating with you))))

I feel sorry for you.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

Normal result. 85% reached the target

Did you lie or are you bad at math?

280 aircraft entered, including 132 fighter
Hellcat and Corsair 50 Dive
helldiver bombers
and 98 Avenger torpedo bombers. Actually
the Japanese connection came out 227
planes, since 53 of those launched
did not find the target

[Kars]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

The attack was perfectly coordinated, 11 torpedoes on one side, practically no losses

The attack was completely uncoordinated, they flew up as best they could, but the torpedoes hit one side (although there were also the other side) only because they were flying from one place.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

The performers did everything brilliantly

Far from brilliant. Destroyed two LKs, severely damaged two more. 4 were not badly damaged. Pure luck.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

At least I give examples of real-life systems and compare the real situation off the coast of Syria

You're talking complete nonsense. To be honest, I'm just shocked by you.
Starting with your fictitious missile attack failure.
Ending with a delusional conclusion about the reason for the departure of the US Air Force in the form of a Russian squadron. How many kilometers did the aircraft carrier not reach the shores of Syria? Any person with the slightest understanding can conclude that an attack on Syria is not planned before the commissioning of all batteries of the Petriot air defense system in Turkey.

But that’s okay. I was humorous, but not G.H. Anderson, but most likely Vinokur.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Setrac

and they have a Harpoon missile in the amount of 8 pieces per warrant ship (no matter destroyer or cruiser

Why, the cellars of the aircraft carrier Nimitz - 1900 tons of ammunition
Each F/A-18 on average lifts two Harpoons (subsonic anti-ship missiles) or two AGM-88 HARM (small supersonic air-to-surface missile, speed 2M) - used to destroy radar.

First, they knock out the radars, and then finish off the helpless ship with subsonic Harpoons or conventional CABs

There are no fools sitting there either

Quote: Setrac

How successfully American aviation will operate in the S300F operating area is an open question.

The issue of confrontation between aviation and air defense systems was resolved half a century ago. A low-flying aircraft can approach a ship with impunity at a distance of about 30-40 km and remain undetected. The ship's radars cannot see what is happening on the horizon - radio waves travel in a straight line.

It's time! The planes are making a slide (at this moment the S-300 will detect air targets) - purchasing Kharpus and Harpuns for homing - again going to low altitude. The signal is gone - the S-300 (S-400, Patriot, Aegis) is useless.

A terrible dilemma arises before the doomed ship: given the short distance, it is impossible to fight off even ten small, but fast and evil KHARMs; the only way out is to turn off the radar. But if the cruiser turns off the radars, it will receive an armful of Harpoons on board.

I'm telling you, there are no fools sitting there

[Kars]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

It's time! The planes are making a slide (at this moment the S-300 will detect air targets) - purchasing Kharpus and Harpuns for homing - again going to low altitude. The signal is gone - the S-300 (S-400, Patriot, Aegis) is useless.

Wow, you came up with the perfect anti-missile maneuver)))))))))))

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

The doomed ship faces a terrible dilemma: given the short distance

How much is this?

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

It’s impossible to fight off even ten small, but fast and evil HARM, the only way out is to turn off the radar

But the Kharms are no longer causing interference or ZRAK?

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

But if the cruiser turns off the radars, he will receive an armful of Harpoons.

How many radars are there on the ship and how do the Harms select them?

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Kars

Wow, you came up with the perfect anti-missile maneuver)))))))))))

Not me. The Argentine muchachos knew this back in 1982 (see picture)

Quote: Kars

How much is this?

Sheffield was shot at from 30 km away

Quote: Kars

But the Kharms are no longer causing interference or ZRAK?

I’m not sure about the interference - what if, on the contrary, it is aimed at the source of this electromagnetic interference??!

According to ZRAK, the chances are low. Targets are too fast (2M), they will fly 30 km in 50 seconds

Quote: Kars

How many radars are there on the ship and how do the Harms select them?

General detection, navigation, several fire control radars + each SAM... It is logical to assume that they will hit with Kharmami until the last radar is silent (not forgetting to launch Harpoons)

Interesting fact - in 1999, NATO released 793 Kharma across Yugoslavia

[Kars]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

Not me. The Argentines knew this back in 1982 (see picture)

really? Which frigate or destroyer had the Aegis or S-300 on it?

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

Sheffield was shot at from 30 km away

Narm or Harpoon.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

(see picture)

Otherwise I didn’t see her.

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I’m not sure about the interference - what if, on the contrary, it is aimed at the source of this electromagnetic interference??!

So this is the target itself, the source may be on another ship, or even the one being shot at.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

According to ZRAK, the chances are low. Targets are too fast (2M),

really? But the design engineers didn’t even know. Write them a letter.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

It is logical to assume that they will hit with Kharmami until the last radar is silent

But at the same time, it is NATURALLY forbidden to beat those who will beat Narma, since it is dishonest.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

Interesting fact - in 1999, NATO released 793 Kharma across Yugoslavia

Even more interesting is how many of them fell, and where. Even if they couldn’t shoot down the B-52 (according to VIKI) when it aimed at the tail firing point.

[BruderV]

It's cool about the chestnut, but what does it have to do with it? In the squadron, only Yaroslav the Wise was installed, and it was not Kashtan, but Dirk. And as practice has shown, he rarely finishes off with cannons what the missiles did not shoot down.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Kars

really? Which frigate or destroyer had the Aegis or S-300 on it?

doesn't matter. Planes crept below the horizon

Quote: Kars

Narm or Harpoon.

Otherwise you don’t know

Quote: Kars

So this is the goal itself, the source may be on another ship

So Yulia will get another ship, which is also sad

Quote: Kars

or even being shot at.

Good idea, but difficult to implement
1. Nimitz has more harm than you have traps to shoot)))
2. Harm is not as stupid as we think he is. there is probably some selection there.
3. there are no such systems today

Quote: Kars

really? But the design engineers didn’t even know. Write them a letter

repelling a 630-5 Kharmov raid in 10 minute with a single AK-1 or ZRAK Dirk battery is, in principle, unrealistic. (allowable burst length, average consumption of shells per target)

Quote: Kars

But at the same time, it is NATURALLY forbidden to beat those who will beat Narma, since it is dishonest.

Here it all comes down to range and over-the-horizon target designation systems, with which, to put it mildly, oops
The last launch of the active satellite of the MCRC was March 1988.
The last Tu-95RTs was decommissioned in 1995.

Quote: Kars

Even more interesting is how many of them fell, and where

Obviously enough to render Yugoslavia's air defense completely incapacitated

To monitor the air situation, Soviet and American-made radars were used, including 4 modern three-dimensional radars with a phased array antenna AN/TPS-70 (detection range up to 400 km). The air defense was based on 4 S-125 divisions and 12 Kub mobile air defense systems.

[Kars]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

irrelevant

Naturally, it doesn’t, like all the nonsense you’re talking about here. And the radio horizon of Shefield and Aegis/S-300 is the same.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

So Yulia will get another ship, which is also sad

Not much, if that's what it's designed for.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

1. Nimitz has more harm than you have traps to shoot)))

Where does the Nimitz get a second chance to rearm and raise planes? Or, as always, no one will shoot at the Nimitz?

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2. Harm is not as stupid as we think he is. there is probably some selection there

Well, maybe the developers of REB are not fools either?

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3. there are no such systems today

Well, I’m not sure that the NARM will not work on a simple cloud of dipole reflectors. This is provided that it is not intercepted by a ZRAK missile, and does not miss capturing the place where the radar was before it was turned off, the ship moving at 25 knots.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

repelling a 630-5 Kharmov raid in 10 minute with a single AK-1 or ZRAK Dirk battery is, in principle, unrealistic. (allowable burst length, average consumption of shells per target)

Which is not a fact that they will all fly up at the same time, that there will be only one air defense system on the ship.

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Here it all comes down to range and over-the-horizon target designation systems, with which, to put it mildly, oops

Is it true? I heard that there are anti-aircraft missiles with self-guidance and proprietary radars.
And ring of course, I understand you are after yesterday, but you mentioned

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

S-300 (S-400, Patriot, Aegis) is useless

So there is no need to insist on Russian ships.
Also, the AUG Vet can be detected using its radar radiation (Chainmails operate at a range of 500 -600 km ON LAND) this is for anti-ship missiles for an aircraft carrier, and anti-ship missiles will make your favorite hill for viewing the square when approaching.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

Obviously enough to render Yugoslavia's air defense completely incapacitated

But it is far from a fact that it was destroyed. The Yugoslavs knew about the enemy’s superiority and were waiting for the start of the ground operation.

And I don’t understand why YUGOSLAVIA. NATO put pressure not on the air defense of YUGOSLAVIA, but on the remnants of the air defense that remained in SERBIA, after

, Montenegro, Croatia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Bosnia and Herzegovina. .

8 years of civil war and an embargo on arms supplies. And remind me how many Tamogawks were fired into Serbia? Otherwise it seems that all the air defense was done by 700 NARMs.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Kars

And the radio horizon of Shefield and Aegis/S-300 is the same.

Yeah. Then why did you remember about Aegis?

Quote: Kars

Not much, if that's what it's designed for.

Will you go serve on it?

Quote: Kars

Well, I’m not sure that the NARM will not work on a simple cloud of dipole reflectors

I don't think he's so stupid

Quote: Kars

will not miss by capturing the place where the radar was before it was turned off, the ship moving at 25 knots.

It will miss. But it will fulfill its task - you turned off the radar, meet the harpoons

Quote: Kars

Also, the AUG Vet can be detected using its radar radiation (Chainmails operate at a range of 500 -600 km ON LAND) this is for anti-ship missiles for an aircraft carrier

600 km - it would be interesting to know the details here. Surely there are certain (and important) conditions that, as always, remain unsaid. If everything were so simple, no one would have created the ICRC and other complex and expensive reconnaissance systems.

Quote: Kars

And the anti-ship missiles will make your favorite slide for viewing the square when approaching.

To date, there are no such anti-ship missiles

Quote: Kars

But it’s far from a fact that it was destroyed

Yugoslav air defense was completely disabled. In two months - 2 planes shot down. At the same time, the coalition made 30 sorties.

[Kars]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

Aha

Are you saying that the Shefield radar has the same detection range for low-flying objects as a ship equipped with Aegis? Congratulations. Why was it made?

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Will you go serve on it?

The American radar patrol destroyers should be telling you something, you recently wrote about Kamikaze, how there were problems with the crew (And I won’t go, I’m an artilleryman)

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

I don't think he's so stupid

But I doubt his laser fuse.

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It will miss. But it will fulfill its task - you turned off the radar, meet the harpoons

For ten seconds? And not even radars, but emitters,

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600 km - it would be interesting to know the details here

Honor.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

To date, there are no such anti-ship missiles

What about your favorite harpoon?

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Yugoslav air defense is completely disabled

Yugoslavia again? Serbia, Serbia.

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In two months - 2 downed planes

According to American data, and by the way, about 30 Tamahawks were shot down out of 700.
And naturally, some quantity hit false targets.
But proud of the country

Quote: Kars

8 years of civil war and arms embargo

what a cool victory it should be a shame.

[Kars]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

To date, there are no such anti-ship missiles

Amethyst, of course, is not quite the same, but you should understand the principle, you stuck the picture with the Etandars.

Flight trajectory of the Amethyst rocket:

1 - submarine at starting depth; 2 - target; 3 - hydroacoustic channel for missile target designation; 4 — the rocket exits the water and climbs; 5 — beginning of descent to flight altitude; 6 - rocket on the march; 7 — target capture by homing head; 8 — two-plane targeting

You will replace the hydroacoustic channel with target designation from passive radar detection sensors.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Kars

Are you saying that the Shefield radar has the same detection range for low-flying objects as a ship equipped with Aegis?

Yes.

Quote: Kars

The American radar patrol destroyers should be telling you something, you recently wrote about Kamikaze, how there were problems with the crew (And I won’t go, I’m an artilleryman)

And what? According to statistics, they were seriously damaged by kamikazes. However, like many other ships that were in the combat zone

Quote: Kars

For ten seconds? And not even radars, but emitters,

How will you know whether all the HARMs have flown by or not all)))) Your radars are turned off.

Quote: Kars

Yugoslavia again? Serbia, Serbia.

FRY - Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.

Quote: Kars

what a cool victory it should be a shame.

They are still proud of Georgia's victory, although the operation was carried out rather ineptly and with large losses. If Hezbollah militants had been in the place of the Georgians, the losses would have been immeasurable

[Kars]

[quote=SWEET_SIXTEEN]Yes.[/qDo you think the height of the radars in Shefield and, for example, Ticonderoga/Moscow are the same?uote]
Provide data on Aegis.
[quote=SWEET_SIXTEEN]So what? According to statistics, they were seriously damaged by kamikazes[/quote]
And what you drove away when you wrote
[quote=SWEET_SIXTEEN]Quote: Kars
Not much, if that's what it's designed for.
Will you go serve on it?[/quote]
As you can see, this will not be know-how.[quote=SWEET_SIXTEEN]How will you know whether all the HARMS have flown by or not all)))) Your radars are turned off.[/quote]
But they are supersonic, and the flight time is short. The radar has moved hundreds of meters from the point of shutdown, and the NARMA’s damage radius is trivial (if the B-52 was not shot down by a close explosion) So you can turn it on. This is not to mention that there are also lower-power radars that could and don't turn it off.

[quote=SWEET_SIXTEEN]FRY - Federal Republic of Yugoslavia[/quote]
There is no need for this hypocrisy, you yourself understand that you are wrong.
[quote=SWEET_SIXTEEN]They are still proud of Georgia’s victory[/quote]
I’m not proud. And now you’re talking specifically to me.
[quote=SWEET_SIXTEEN]Be there [/quote]
I've said something similar many times.

[toguns]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

General detection, navigation, several fire control radars + each SAM... It is logical to assume that they will hit with Kharmami until the last radar is silent (not forgetting to launch Harpoons)

Yes, you discovered Columbus and America.
just a question, what does the S-300 have to do with it???
and why should the ship fight back alone???

[Santa Fe]

Quote: toguns

just a question, what does the S-300 have to do with it???

This is not a question for anyone

Quote: toguns

and why should the ship fight back alone???

Because he's alone

[toguns]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

Because he's alone

and what kind of ship???
and what is this, excuse the expression, idiotic argument???
just wondering how you can compare an aircraft carrier against one ship?
the ship alone will hold out for 5-6 minutes, having shot through its ammunition, and it will be sunk.
what kind of losses will the aug have xs it all depends on the air defense systems and tonnage
I think somewhere from 1 to 3 squadrons.
but if there is an eagle, then my grandmother said two, I can’t give an exact guarantee
in certain situations and upgraded weapons, it is capable of sinking an Avik.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: toguns

and what kind of ship???

GRKR Moscow

Quote: toguns

just wondering how you can compare an aircraft carrier against one ship?

As if there are 30 pennants off the coast of Syria

Quote: toguns

the ship alone will hold out for 5-6 minutes, having shot through its ammunition, and it will be sunk.

Quite a strange calculation

Quote: toguns

but if there is an eagle, then my grandmother said for two, I can’t give an exact guarantee in certain scenarios and with an upgrade of weapons, it is capable of sinking an Avik.

Only if the fundamental laws of nature are violated - the curvilinear propagation of radio waves. Then the aug depreciates a little less than completely

[BruderV]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

I'm telling you, there are no fools sitting there

It's no use writing this. The commentators here are like a bunch of things from that joke. The Chukchi is not a reader, the Chukchi is a writer. Do you understand that you are undermining their main dogma that NATO members are not fighters at all, you can only throw a hat at them and finish off the snot. You see, here bedtime stories are for adults and they don’t really write dudes. And they read and find spiritual harmony in this troubled world.

[freedom]

Today is Friday, a good day, I started reading this article. Enough for two paragraphs. That's it, delirium tremens, I mean the author. The US fleet disappeared in fright. I will not comment further.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: BigRiver

Not fighters are Americans. Oh, not the fighters :(

Amer conscripts were brought to training.
One of the comments is "the best black metal band I've seen" But in my opinion, the sergeants are too intelligent and polite. Read the US Constitution by heart!

[Setrac]

Well, not all 1900 tons of harpoons, mostly simple aerial bombs. There are no fools there, there are no fools here, so they got out of harm’s way. a missile arrives, then prove that it is Russian and not “rebels”.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Setrac

Well, not all 1900 tons of harpoons, mostly simple aerial bombs.

If you load Nimitz's cellars with Harpoons alone (weight - about 700 kg), you will get 2700 pieces - a paranormal amount

The aircraft carrier's ammunition load depends on the assigned mission. How many anti-ship missiles and Kharmovs are in a typical American aircraft carrier's ammunition compartment... honestly, I don't know. But they exist, and there are many of them.

Purely for example, the first thing that caught my eye was the ammunition load of the Essex aircraft carriers, three times smaller in size, from the Second World War. There's enough for everyone:

[Setrac]

Dear, you are a real theorist, there probably aren’t that many harpoons in the entire US Army and Navy, that’s why I asked the experts how many harpoons there are, obviously not 2700.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Setrac

That’s why I asked the experts how many harpoons there are, obviously not 2700.

Even if fifty is the khan to everything within the range of his aircraft

[Robin32]

There is certainly too much pathos in the article, but nevertheless, the courage and bravery of Russian sailors, as well as their professionalism, are respected all over the world. And of course, when our sailors conduct maneuvers, it is better to stay away from them. The Americans did the right thing.

[terry]

It is subtly noted: “when our sailors conduct maneuvers, it is better to stay away from them”...

[T100]

There is another option. Erdogan is the Turkish Putin. And he is building a Great Islamic Turkey - a new center of power in the region of Middle Earth and the Near Middle East. Which (center) the United States does not need at all. Analysts could suggest that Obama kill 3-4 birds with one stone:
1 - negotiate specific concessions from Russia (we’ll find out where later, or we won’t find out at all);
2- let Erdogan screw up in Syria and hide his ambitions in the anus;
3 - to prevent the construction of a new gas pipeline to the EU (competitors) with cheap gas from Qatar; Gazprom will petition Assad about this;
4 -Save a lot of budget money for domestic use in the USA;

[Hug]

T100: "...There is another option..."

Short and almost to the point

[understudy]

The only thing I liked about the entire article was the pictures. The rest... combat leaflet from the pen of an exalted political fighter. You can’t assume your potential opponent is a complete idiot in advance.

[Sherssen]

The article was custom made, I didn’t believe a word of it... If the Russian Navy could not find the US AUG in the Mediterranean Sea, this does not mean that it is not there...

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Ssherssen

If the Russian Navy could not find a US AUG in the Mediterranean Sea, this does not mean that it is not there...

Don't talk bullshit, dear. The last illustrations in the article are data from the American analytical agency Stratfor, verified through other open sources and Internet news portals (the data coincided).

All American Nimitzes have sailed home)))

[Setrac]

“I didn’t believe it” is a serious argument.

[Bambino]

My jaw just dropped to the floor after reading this article, seriously.

[terry]

Are we in a war now: one politician cannot come to an agreement with another?

[fenix57]

As in the joke: “Well, I couldn’t, I couldn’t” “On Saturday, the US nuclear-powered aircraft carrier George Washington and escort ships appeared in the waters of the South China Sea, in the area of ​​islands whose territory is disputed by several countries in the region...” see. .novostimira.com.ua

[papik09]

Disputes are different and strange on the forum. I read everything. All of you, dear friends, forget that there are satellites (such as “communications”, “geological exploration”, etc.) of which a countless number fly. So, I doubt about the danger of a surprise attack by Russian ships, however, since the takeoff will be instantly detected.
Further, many (almost all) forget about China, who are also tired of us. But China also has something to give to the vaunted 6th Fleet.
And about the teachings. Indeed, it is better to stay away from the exercise site , otherwise, inadvertently, "some"BASALT (although now there seems to be a P-1000 VULCANO complex) on...no, it won’t seem like much. And then it turns out that it’s “accidental.”

[BruderV]

Quote: papik09

But China also has something to give to the vaunted 6th Fleet

Yeah, an unfinished aircraft carrier with 15 knots of speed on holidays and an air wing that was only taught to take off and land. The Japanese will deal with the Chinese fleet alone.

[papik09]

For your information, sir, China does not have a weak missile force!

[Sterkh]

I consider these maneuvers to be small elements of a big game. I don’t think that the Pentagon is pissed off, they don’t care deeply about the lives of their own soldiers, on the contrary - war is vital for the American economy to shake itself up.. There’s something else here, and I think this is connected with certain agreements. Politics is a game of compromises. And this is not just politics - it’s a big game.

[VP123]

The Russian squadron came, the American squadron left Cause and effect All other speculations are worthless

[Vladimir VR]

A good article that inspires a certain optimism, with a touch of humor.