Russian air defense shot down two Su-27 fighters and one MiG-29 of the Ukrainian Air Force in one day - Ministry of Defense

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Russian air defense shot down two Su-27 fighters and one MiG-29 of the Ukrainian Air Force in one day - Ministry of Defense

The next day of the special operation did not bring significant changes to the situation on the line of combat contact, except for the Avdeevsky direction, where Russian troops managed to take control of the entire territory of the industrial zone from the Yasinovataya-2 station for the first time since 2014. We managed to do this last night, the assault groups of the Russian Armed Forces were able to knock out the sushniks from the last two houses, thereby breaking into one of the most powerful defensive lines of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Today, our units continue to clear the industrial zone, moving west and north. The Ukrainian Armed Forces have retreated to new lines and are not even trying to counterattack. In the north, fighting continues in the area of ​​Avdeevsky coke plant, Stepnoye and Novokalinovo. There is no promotion data yet.

There is relative calm in the Kupyansk direction, bad weather has intervened again, it is raining, the ground is wet. The main events take place in the area of ​​Sinkovka and Ivanovka. Ours repelled four attacks by the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The situation is the same in the Krasno-Limansky direction, there too without much activity, only one attack is reported to have been repelled.



Near Artemovsk, the main battles are taking place in the areas of Kleshcheevka and Andreevka, ours are actively working with artillery, there is no information about progress yet. The enemy tried to attack in the areas of Leninskoye, Shumy and Maryinka, but to no avail.

On Yuzhno-Donetsk there are no changes, as well as on Zaporozhye, there are oncoming battles on the Rabotino-Verbovoe line. On Kherson, the main events take place in the Krynok area; the enemy does not pay attention to losses and holds the occupied bridgehead with all his might. Ours strikes, but do not push forward too much, at the same time they do not allow the Ukrainian Armed Forces to leave the bridgehead territory.

Total losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in all directions per day: personnel killed and wounded - 450 people, 2 tank, 10 units of field artillery during counter-battery combat and one radar. The aviation fuel storage facilities of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Poltava region, as well as the arsenal, were damaged aviation ammunition in Cherkasy region.

Air defense systems shot down three Ukrainian Air Force aircraft in one day: two Su-27s in the Novoraisk and Velyka Aleksandrovka areas of the Kherson region, as well as a MiG-29 in the Pyatikhatka area of ​​the Dnepropetrovsk region. 53 Ukrainians destroyed drone.
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  1. +16
    26 November 2023 16: 19
    Russian air defense shot down two Su-27 fighters and one MiG-29 of the Air Force of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in one day...

    When will combat aviation end in Ukraine, it feels like it will be destroyed for the third time sad
    1. +11
      26 November 2023 16: 24
      Three Luftwaffe planes in one day - an excellent result
    2. +6
      26 November 2023 16: 31
      There, at storage bases, there were hundreds of aircraft in varying degrees of unavailability. Including Su27s, they were delivered to the police department. They managed to restore some of them.
      1. +5
        26 November 2023 16: 44
        Somehow these bases didn't get punched?? Why didn't they burn this donor park?
        1. -2
          26 November 2023 16: 55
          Strange Military Operation. And the main reason is underestimation of the enemy.
        2. -1
          26 November 2023 22: 12
          Quote: Hariton Laptev
          Somehow these bases didn't get punched??

          Because they are on the territory of other countries.
      2. +2
        26 November 2023 21: 00
        They did not supply Su-27 OVD. It’s just that someone likes to “exaggerate”, holding others to be, to put it mildly, “stupid.”
      3. +1
        26 November 2023 21: 52
        In total, in 1991, Ukraine received 40 Su-27s, less than a dozen were sold and lost in accidents, it is obvious that all the remaining ones could not have been working. There is absolutely nowhere to buy them; several countries have individual copies, they were delivered from Russia. Then think for yourself
        1. +4
          26 November 2023 22: 34
          It seems that the information is easily accessible, you can check it, but why? A patriotic man in the street will happily believe if he writes about the 2.5 thousand aircraft that Ukraine inherited from the USSR and gets some pluses. And he won’t want to know that only 1100 were in combat and combat training. Further even sadder: 240 - MiG-21, 95 - MiG-25, 80 - MiG-23, 70 - Su-15, 30 - Su-17, 30 - Yak-28, about 220 bombers and missile carriers from the Tupolev Design Bureau (Tu- 16, Tu-22, Tu-22M, Tu-95, Tu-142, Tu-160). But you don’t need to think, for this the disadvantages will come
          1. +5
            27 November 2023 03: 18
            Or you could write like this:

            From the Air Force and Air Defense Forces of the USSR, Ukraine received gigantic air power: 4 air armies, 10 air divisions, 49 air regiments, 2,8 thousand aircraft and helicopters, 8 anti-aircraft missile brigades, 10 anti-aircraft missile regiments.

            Moreover, in these units, formations and associations there was a very high proportion of the most modern equipment at that time.

            In addition, Ukraine received approximately half of the Black Sea Fleet's aviation, partly immediately after the collapse of the USSR, partly in 1997, after the final division of the Black Sea Fleet between Russia and Ukraine.

            But the total number of Su-27s was 72 units, excluding two prototypes of carrier-based Su-27s, which were not accepted into service and were later sold to China.

            Eight units of the Su-27 “went” abroad, including two Su-27UBs that were sold to the USA and another one that was not returned from repair in Belarus.
        2. +2
          27 November 2023 12: 50
          Su-27 - where they still have it is a mystery. In 1991 they got only 40 units, sold more than 10, there were also disasters, it’s unclear. As for the Mig-29 and Su-24, there are obviously a lot of them.
      4. 0
        28 November 2023 14: 51
        What nonsense, there were never Su-27s in storage there, there were two storage bases Chuguev and Ovruch, there were mostly L-39, min21, mig23 and they were in a very, very terrible condition, and restoration would have taken years!!!!! . Therefore, this is more like another “destruction” in the second round. Was there a first one?
    3. -6
      26 November 2023 17: 16
      As soon as they stop making postscripts and unfounded declarations of victories and start taking seriously the issue of confirming air victories, this will be the end. And then, you know, the difference between “carried out a launch” - “observed signs of target destruction on the radar screen” - “target defeat was documented” is about the same as between looking, taking hands, sleeping.
      1. +7
        26 November 2023 18: 13
        “I saw the target, launched a missile, the target disappeared from the radar” - this seems to be sufficient evidence to confirm the downed target.
        If you want to receive a photo report, we ask you to drive to the area where the target fell (or did not fall).
        1. -4
          26 November 2023 19: 59
          Only the wreckage is sufficient evidence. the rest is speculation from the radar operator. A target can disappear from the radar for many reasons: it somehow jammed, performed an anti-missile maneuver, went into the zone of low altitudes and speeds, or simply turned its nozzles in your direction (yes, a jet plane in the rear hemisphere is observed at approximately two times shorter ranges .) and let a drone or satellite chase the photo report. For one thing, he will conduct reconnaissance along the route
          1. +6
            26 November 2023 22: 34
            Quote: tchoni
            Only the wreckage is sufficient evidence. the rest is speculation from the radar operator. A target can disappear from the radar for many reasons: somehow caused interference

            No, no. Where can the sick target disappear? Where do plane crash reports begin? Dropped off the radar. At least once there was a successful outcome, after the loss with ICO? Not once. 100% disaster. And here you are selling the radar to nicknames. Well, okay, they’ll let the foil in, but the Target’s body won’t go anywhere with ICO, even after losing altitude.
            You are not imported, this is not the United State of America, but simple air defense with three standard radars. To distinguish a blocked target from a pretend one, how to reset two bits
            1. 0
              27 November 2023 07: 47
              yes, throwing beads is not a rewarding task) ,)) Yes, and Khayyam warned... One thing I don’t understand is what’s the fun of living in virtual reality)?
              Please don’t confuse the broiler 747, with an active response at a flight level of 11 kilometers, and a fighter in combat conditions. But even for broilers, disappearing from the radar is not such a rare thing... It’s just that they don’t report to you about every such case, because in 90% of cases the target is then found)... And in the remaining 10%, everything is not always bad.. sometimes such airliners are found in corn fields) But shkolota, raised in Hollywood, cannot understand this...
              Remember, son, an altitude of 300 meters is OFFICIALLY called the “radar line.” Everything that happens below is observed on the radar either fragmentarily, or not at all, or at very short ranges, where the influence of masks on the earth’s surface is limited. Even the presence of a low-altitude radar post on a tower - the maximum that gives is 30 kilometers... and that's it. But you, shkolotot, cannot understand this.. Just like other features of the operation of such complex equipment as radar... which I spoke about above.. so continue to be mistaken
          2. 0
            28 November 2023 12: 44
            Evgeniy - yes, of course. The target can go to an extremely low altitude, the target can release a bunch of decoys and the air defense operator will simply lose it. Or a quadrillion other reasons.
            That is why in all reports about downed planes or destroyed infantrymen, everyone always lies.
            Not because Konashenkov is bad and not because “the missiles are of the wrong system.” But because there are assumptions, for example, we see 10 people entering the house. We send LMUR there, we see defeat. Konashenko’s organization is reported that “up to 10 people have been killed.” And since there are dozens and hundreds of such cases, we see the destruction of thousands of militants and the shooting down of a bunch of planes.
            Which is later either confirmed or not.
            It has always been this way. Even when the warriors fought with swords and it would seem difficult not to understand how many died. Anyway, everyone always lied, increasing the number of enemies and exaggerating their heroism through their losses.

            But if you want absolutely accurate data - welcome to LBS, report to us how it is and what.
            There’s just a small problem - as a person who has participated in this many times, I can assure you that basically you just shoot “there”. And where it landed there is the tenth question. If the answer stops flying, it’s probably hit.
            And someone above you writes a report: “Dear friend Konashenkov, there is probably a minus one.”
            Something like that.
            1. 0
              28 November 2023 17: 18
              Denis, I don’t dispute the possible presence of errors. I assert that the only qualitative evidence of the destruction of the enemy aircraft is its wreckage... the rest is information from the ABS agency...
              Now to the question of the importance of taking into account enemy losses... It is clear that no one will ever count everything for sure. Even after the war. BUT!!! We must strive for this with all our might. Because inaccuracies in this matter can lead to very serious consequences... both situational and reputational... remember what euphoria there was at the beginning of the SVO on the topic “The sky is behind us”... and then oops... and we don’t the fact that we don’t fly over Kiev, but we are also wary of the line of contact... And the reports of the native Ministry of Defense - yes, they have become the talk of the town.. And the competent and intelligent General Kanashenkov is a legend of memes... Here is an example of reputational costs.. And This is true in everything where sober assessments are eroded under the pressure of ideology.
              1. +1
                29 November 2023 21: 21
                Evgeny... And the only qualitative evidence of the death of an enemy fighter is the presence of a corpse.
                I completely agree. Only then will it be difficult to present something.
                I have participated several times, but I can only remember a few times when I saw successful results in the use of weapons for the very purpose for which I was working. I mean the corpse. And then mainly - when he was in the same room with the target. But for example, if you worked with an RPG and an hour later you enter the room where you shot, are you sure that those who are lying there, so to speak, are the ones you killed?
                What will you, Evgeny, report according to your logic? Or God forbid Bumblebee worked there.

                And then I worked quite close. And at times, after dismantling the object, there was little left inside at all.
                Are you suggesting that we not report anything at all?
                We worked as a group in a house on Shchorsa in Achkhoy-Martan. They worked there for half a day, and then, amazingly, there was no one there. Only pieces of meat are lying on the floor.
                Do you propose not to count this too? And as for me, a whole enemy squad was sitting there.

                And in 888 I have countless such examples. Because they worked through suppression.

                And about “the sky is behind us” and so on - yes, I agree. They lie to everyone and everything. You go to Censor, there they already knock down daggers from zusoks every day. And they throw jars of cucumbers at Caliber.
    4. -2
      26 November 2023 21: 39
      NATO members are assembling planes for Ukraine all over the world. Which the USSR, then Russia, sold scattered (according to the Bible). The time has come...And there have been wars and wars and disasters, and for now there is only business, profitable and BIG, mixed in with human blood. Alas.
    5. +1
      26 November 2023 22: 24
      Quote: Tucan
      it feels like she's in the third round

      There's plenty more. Without any sensations. And without third circles. At least a hundred more to land. Now that's what's happening. Of two or three they collect. They launch, but We shoot down. We air defense officers don’t care about talking heads, including yours. Doesn’t respond to the request, which means he’s guilty of death
      1. 0
        27 November 2023 08: 22
        Son, act up and don’t talk nonsense... even if all of the 1600 MiG-29s produced went to the jumpers and they assembled one functional one out of 3 and launched it, then, with the declared 539 pilots shot down now, they should have run out by now))) .
  2. ASM
    +4
    26 November 2023 16: 20
    I wonder what countries they are exported from, where they are repaired and where they come from to the outskirts? Who still has Soviet cars that are being exported, it is clear that through third parties.
    1. osp
      +5
      26 November 2023 18: 06
      Apart from Eastern Europe, no one could give more, especially the Su-27 and Su-24.
      Everything has already been given to the Poles and Slovaks so that “it’s not a pity”, but there won’t even be 50 MiG-29s there.
      They use the rest themselves, wait for a replacement with the F-35, and only then agree to transfer it.
  3. +2
    26 November 2023 16: 22
    Great! I kindly request the table.
    Number of UA Air Force aircraft until 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX, number delivered, number shot down, number remaining.
    Preferably for airplanes and helicopters separately.
    1. +9
      26 November 2023 17: 00
      Quote: Rumata
      Great! I kindly request the table.
      Number of UA Air Force aircraft until 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX, number delivered, number shot down, number remaining.
      Preferably for airplanes and helicopters separately.

      What will this give you? Only logs supplied Ukraine with at least 20 logs. And how many of them were there in all the countries that were once part of the Warsaw Pact, which all of them joined NATO? So don't be surprised winked
  4. -34
    26 November 2023 16: 27
    Why be surprised that people believe General Konashenko, if a couple of articles ago they posted a fake about “a million (yep, trillion) dead Armed Forces officers” and all the honest people rose in ecstasy and began to discuss that the numbers +/- are adequate laughing
    Although this did not happen on any Ukrainian channels 1+1 or any other, they posted an ordinary deep fake for propaganda purposes fool
    1. +9
      26 November 2023 16: 48
      Well, firstly, it’s unlikely that anyone believes Konashenkov unconditionally, and secondly, pan-headed fakes rivet even worse. This is part of the information war and propaganda of both sides. So there is no need to pretend that Russia is doing something bad or stupid. But no one is voicing the real numbers of casualties for the civilian population. And this, in conditions of hostilities, is correct.
      1. -12
        26 November 2023 17: 22
        Quote: Warabey
        secondly, pan-headed fakes rivet

        I never argued that propaganda comes from both sides. That is why I always denounce her. I don’t really have a bad attitude towards fake propaganda itself, it’s reality, but I don’t like those who fall for it en masse and downvote others for telling the truth, to be honest. what
        1. +9
          26 November 2023 18: 01
          """"and others will be downvoted for telling the truth..."""

          Here you have an inconsistency. Nobody knows the truth. Therefore, anyone who tries to claim that his words are true naturally arouses suspicion)))
        2. -4
          26 November 2023 21: 04
          This time the Tatar agrees with you.
      2. +1
        27 November 2023 04: 20
        secondly, pan-headed fakes rivet even worse.

        From the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the news is more meaningful

        A) No comments while this or that operation is in progress, it is clear that they are working seriously - and depriving them of information can cause harm. We are loudly chattering about future boilers and the taking of the industrial zone in Avdeevka, because nothing really changes, but we need to reassure the public

        B) all the results that the Armed Forces of Ukraine talk about later are usually confirmed by photos/videos

        Remember how many statements there were on their part during the breakthrough of the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Kupyansk (not at all, they began posting photos, videos and news only after).

        Kherson is the same. No plans or statements in advance (the fact that they were advancing and would sooner or return Kherson was clear to everyone). There are zero details on their part. Mouth shut

        The hijacking of the Mi-8 helicopter - at first there were zero details of the operation, they let in a fog. Just a photo of the helicopter. Only a month later all the details became clear

        Blowing up ships or the Crimean bridge - zero official statements. At first they deny their successes. Only after many days do videos from the drones themselves begin to be published.

        Therefore, objectively, photos and videos with the results of attacks by the Ukrainian Armed Forces are always interesting to watch. Unlike Konashenkov’s endless lies, the statements of that side are more or less close to reality
    2. +7
      26 November 2023 17: 18
      Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
      if a couple of articles ago they posted a fake about “a million (yeah, a trillion) dead Armed Forces officers” and all the honest people rose in ecstasy and began to discuss that the numbers +/- are adequate laughing

      At the time of the start of the Northern Military District, the number of Ukrainian Armed Forces in Ukraine was somewhere around 250 thousand people. After the start of the Northern Military District, 6 or 7 waves of mobilization were carried out, each with about the same 200 thousand people, and that’s, sorry, another + 1,4 million to those 250. Add to them the volunteer national battalions + military defense + mercenaries.
      Now their last mobilization has failed because the plan has only been completed by 20%. If at the beginning of the Northern Military District the average age of a combat banderlog on the front line was 30 years, now it is mostly 40-45. Have you ever wondered where all the previous ukromobiks went if Zelepuka was going to drive women and students into the trenches? So “dear Bulgarian bad brother” the one who laughs last laughs best.
      1. osp
        -6
        26 November 2023 18: 00
        So they have already started talking about the demobilization of those who have been fighting for more than a year.
        So there are still such people.
        It’s no wonder, there are enough people and they can carry out rotation somewhere and somehow.

        And yes, the mobilization potential of at least 2 million remains there.
        Moreover, these will be predominantly young men who served in the army or have
        VUS.
        Now they play online games or do odd jobs.
        Someone paid off, someone wants to escape from there, etc.
        I’m not saying that all of them can be called up, what is the motivation, etc.
        But the fact is that there is a contingent under 40 years old there.
        1. +1
          27 November 2023 02: 07
          “So they are already talking about the demobilization of those who have been fighting for more than a year.” - Yes, they want to demobilize conscripts, of course there are a lot of them, but it’s easier to call up new conscripts and send those who have served to the front.
        2. -1
          27 November 2023 12: 29
          Quote from osp
          And yes, the mobilization potential of at least 2 million remains there.

          + + +
          Basically, armor + studios.
      2. -8
        26 November 2023 18: 36
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Have you ever wondered where all the previous ones went?

        This is all wonderful, and in many ways not devoid of logic, BUT! The fact remains a fact – the fake about the tape in Ukrainian news and exclamations in the background like “Ira, let me show you!” is a cruel, outright, pathetic fake for slow-witted people. FACT! request
        1. +2
          26 November 2023 19: 01
          They forgot to mention that Ira is swearing in Russian... lol
    3. +2
      26 November 2023 22: 15
      Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
      if a couple of articles ago they posted a fake about “a million (yeah, trillion) dead Armed Forces officers”

      True eyes hurts?
  5. -12
    26 November 2023 16: 28
    If the air defense was shot down, were the Ukrainian planes approaching the front line? And where do the Ukrainians get so many planes from? Even according to the most conservative estimates, they should have run out long ago
    1. +4
      26 November 2023 16: 52
      Have you tried counting? If so, could you provide links to the sources of information that you used in your calculations?
      1. +8
        26 November 2023 17: 00
        But I remember the calculations here on the aviation website, 2-3 years ago. For aircraft, about 150. All of them. Okay, they supplied MiGs from Poland, Slovakia,
        1. osp
          +1
          26 November 2023 17: 56
          Almost all of the Polish MiGs are still in service; they were recently spotted in exercises near the border of the Kaliningrad region.
          They couldn’t transfer more than a dozen - the authorities in Brussels wouldn’t allow it.
          The F-35s have been ordered by the Poles, but the wait is at least six months to a year.
          Until they find a replacement.
        2. +9
          26 November 2023 17: 58
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          But I remember the calculations here on the aviation website, 2-3 years ago. For aircraft, about 150. All of them. Okay, they supplied MiGs from Poland, Slovakia,

          Do not confuse the concepts of “in service” and “available”. There were perhaps one and a half hundred in service, but how many were left in stock...? After the collapse of the Union, they were left with almost 2,5 thousand aircraft of various types; hardly anyone can say for sure how many they sold, how many they cut up and how many simply rotted. But even if half remains, then restoring several, if not hundreds, then dozens, is not an insurmountable task.
          1. osp
            +1
            26 November 2023 18: 19
            As of 24, there were about 1992 Su-200 aircraft of various modifications and years of production alone.
            Including the rare Su-24MP jammers produced in a small batch that were based in Chertkov on the western border of the USSR.
            It is clear that after 30 years little has remained of this, but as of 23.02.22/24/35 there were about XNUMX Su-XNUMXM/MR vehicles in service.
            And about fifty or more are in storage.

            But this aircraft is difficult to operate and maintain.
            And if you take what was in storage, then they cannot and will not restore them all.
            They don't have that many trained crews.
            In order for “Shadows” and “Scalps” to be worn behind the eyes, a dozen aircraft and a dozen crews are enough, which they probably support with all their might.
            Their bases are constantly changing, and they don’t fly to missile launches often.
            One crew flies their plane about once a week.
      2. +3
        26 November 2023 17: 07
        In the first days, the Northern Military District of the Russian Defense Ministry reported that almost all of Ukraine’s aviation had been destroyed. And subsequently, there was rarely a week without several aircraft being destroyed. And there are already a hundred such weeks - that’s why I have such a question. But the would-be patriots downvoted it without even understanding my question
        1. -8
          26 November 2023 17: 19
          “In the first days, the Northern Military District of the Russian Ministry of Defense reported that almost all of Ukraine’s aviation was destroyed.”

          Where can I read about this? Otherwise there are only words everywhere where something like this was supposedly stated. Reminds me of “Kyiv in three days,” which dill propaganda also attributed to Russia.
          1. -5
            26 November 2023 17: 46
            Quote: Warabey
            Where can I read about this? Otherwise there are only words everywhere where something like this was supposedly stated.

            This was broadcast from all angles, by the way, about the navy and air defense. Then they fell silent.
            1. +2
              26 November 2023 17: 54
              Just like “Kyiv in three days” was broadcast from all the irons. But no one could find the person from Russia who claimed this. Only some Amer was there. And now it all smacks of hohlofake. Whoever I ask about this topic, the answer is the same - about each iron, instead of specifics.
              1. +4
                26 November 2023 18: 58
                Quote: Warabey
                Just like “Kyiv in three days” was broadcast from all the irons. But no one could find the person from Russia who claimed this. Only some Amer was there. And now it all smacks of hohlofake. Whoever I ask about this topic, the answer is the same - about each iron, instead of specifics.

                Of course I understand everything. But you still need to work more professionally. Then success in life can await you.
                https://topwar.ru/193166-minoborony-soobschilo-o-prakticheskom-unichtozhenii-vsej-boesposobnoj-aviacii-ukrainy.html
                The Ministry of Defense reported the virtual destruction of all combat-ready aviation in Ukraine. March 6, 2022.
                https://www.1tv.ru/news/2022-03-09/423055-iz_stroya_vyvedena_pochti_vsya_ukrainskaya_aviatsiya_i_pvo_zayavil_ofitsialnyy_predstavitel_minoborony_rossii
                Almost all Ukrainian aviation and air defense have been put out of action, said an official representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense. March 9, 2022.
                1. -1
                  26 November 2023 19: 26
                  Quote: Belisarius
                  Almost all Ukrainian aviation and air defense have been put out of action, said an official representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense. March 9, 2022

                  My friend, well, you need to read not just headlines. Journalists make up headlines, and, as a rule, they lie shamelessly laughing

                  Quote: Konashenkov
                  By the beginning of the special operation, the Ukrainian armed forces had up to 250 serviceable combat aircraft and helicopters. The Russian aerospace forces destroyed 89 combat aircraft and 57 helicopters on the ground and in the air. Some Ukrainian planes flew to Romania and are not participating in battles

                  Find here “almost all aviation and air defense were destroyed,” please. Vylezary Yes

                  1. -4
                    26 November 2023 20: 19
                    Quote: Repellent
                    Find here “almost all aviation and air defense were destroyed,” please. Vylezary

                    Your desperate attempts to attract my attention have finally succeeded. Congratulations. To do this, you chose the right path - outright fabrication of lies.
                    I give a direct quote" Almost all combat-ready aviation of the Kyiv regime was destroyed Konashenkov.
                    Here is the video link https://smotrim.ru/article/2685800
                    PS Now you should try very hard to get me to pay attention to you again.
                    1. +2
                      26 November 2023 20: 37
                      Quote: Belisarius
                      You have chosen the right path - outright fabrication of lies

                      Hm. I just opened the link you provided. If this is a “fabrication of lies,” then I probably don’t understand something... in this newspeak of yours.

                      Quote: Belisarius
                      Here is a direct quote: “Almost all combat-ready aviation of the Kyiv regime was destroyed Konashenkov

                      The quote is almost correct, finally. Only the word “combat-ready” gets in the way:

                      Quote: Ivar Ravi
                      Almost all Ukrainian aviation was destroyed

                      Here is the original pitch that you have undertaken to defend. You failed to protect her. Vylezary wink laughing

                      PS: “all” and “all combat-ready” are two big differences. Well, for those who can read and comprehend what they read.
              2. -3
                26 November 2023 20: 23
                So don’t ask, but find the news from 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX on the Internet, preferably in the morning, and you’ll find it there, stop pretending that this wasn’t said or all you can do is spread the word about Ukrainian fakes, for example, I remember very well these statements by the RF Ministry of Defense, because I believed them myself.
                1. +1
                  26 November 2023 22: 38
                  So there are no such statements from the Ministry of Defense that “Almost all Ukrainian aviation has been destroyed.” You are confusing the headlines of the articles with the direct speech of those who spoke about the losses. Well, you don’t pay attention to some words, although they are key. Above, everything has already been perfectly laid out on the shelves.
                  1. -3
                    27 November 2023 01: 49
                    Quote: Warabey
                    You are confusing the headlines of the articles with the direct speech of those who spoke about the losses.

                    I'm squeamish and don't communicate with regime bots. But it’s just painful to look at your “propaganda”. Don’t you understand that with such “propaganda” you are not defending the power of Vekselberg-Abramovich. You are setting her up. You are literally working for the "insidious West".
                    Here in this case. Everyone remembers very well the chatter of Konashenkov and our media last year. You scream, it’s all lies and demand links. You were given direct links to official sources. Do you want to say that they all lie (TASS, Channel One, etc.) and their journalists are inventing headlines? They gave you a video from Konashenkov. Are you saying that he didn't say that? With such clownery you are simply working against the authorities.
                    Quote: Warabey
                    Well, you don’t pay attention to some words, although they are key

                    What other keywords? If you are talking about the enchanting discovery about what Konashenkov said about combat-ready aviation, not all of it, then this is even worse. You are already sinking to the level of Repellent (who should have been given the Bandera Award a long time ago). I understand that you have nothing to do with the army, or this war, you haven’t followed anything for 8 years, well, etc. But since you have been placed in this area, you can use Google. If March 6 2022 Konashenkov destroyed almost all combat-ready aviation, then who have we been fighting for almost two years? Unfit for combat? Calculate its number based on the planes shot down by Konashenko starting from March 6, 2022. There are hundreds of aircraft. Do you understand how crazy this is?
                    A short educational program - the only aircraft that can somehow be assembled from old firewood in Ukraine in quantities exceeding 3-4 aircraft is the Su-24 (since this firewood is available). For the enemy, the war has been going on since 2014. From now on he has been doing this and boasting about every plane. So, in total, from 2014 to 2021, NARP repaired 4 Su-24M bombers and 3 Su-24MR reconnaissance aircraft, on average one aircraft per year. Thus, the standard repair period for the Su-24 is 120 working days, that is, a little less than six months. Moreover, this was done in Nikolaev at the plant that we attacked from the first days of the war.
                    Why am I saying this - if your task is to protect the authorities of the Russian Federation, do it more professionally. So far, in fact, you are doing exactly the opposite.
            2. +4
              26 November 2023 18: 18
              The Northern Military District of the Russian Defense Ministry reported that almost all Ukrainian aviation was destroyed

              Please give me the link. Where does the Russian Ministry of Defense say this?
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              3. 0
                26 November 2023 19: 34
                Quote: Denis812
                Give a link

                https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13987955?ysclid=lpfp7ivif930449719
                1. 0
                  28 November 2023 13: 17
                  Excellent thank you.
                  And now the Russian Ministry of Defense writes to you that some of the planes have flown to other countries. I'm guessing Poland and Romania. But these are my guesses.
                  Accordingly, when the planes return, they begin to operate again. Plus what was transmitted by Western “partners”.
                  This is how it turns out that you practically destroyed them, and a month later it appeared again. This will remain the case until our tanks are stationed at enemy airfields.
  6. +5
    26 November 2023 16: 35
    And when were the last photo/video materials on downed planes, it’s just interesting.
  7. Hey
    +3
    26 November 2023 16: 38
    Can anyone tell me what size drone is counted and included in the report? It is clear that they are all harmful, but one thing is a Maywick and another is almost the size of an airplane.
  8. -2
    26 November 2023 16: 43
    They shoot down our missiles and Geraniums in batches, and we also shoot down their missiles and planes in batches. Soon there will be no living place left without debris in all of Ukraine...
    1. osp
      -3
      26 November 2023 17: 52
      Can you imagine what more than 500 supposedly destroyed aircraft are and almost all applications for them are not far from the LBS?
      The entire territory of the DPR and LPR would be littered with their debris; almost everyone has phones with cameras and other gadgets for filming videos.
      And anything interesting that comes out of the sky is immediately removed when possible.
      But there are only dozens of such facts.
  9. 0
    26 November 2023 16: 47
    Yes, it's really not funny anymore.
    1. 0
      26 November 2023 18: 54
      Now they will go to the fourth round, and it will become funny again.
  10. +14
    26 November 2023 17: 08
    Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
    Why be surprised that people believe General Konashenko if...

    Do you propose to believe the Bulgarians? So the demand from you is generally low. It’s better to consider how many weapons and ammunition Bulgaria supplied to terrorists. Otherwise they will ask you, and you won’t do anything.
    1. -14
      26 November 2023 17: 19
      Quote: Tagan
      Otherwise they will ask you

      Who will ask us? May be you?
    2. +8
      26 November 2023 20: 52
      Don't argue with a Romanian. The air will be cleaner.
  11. +11
    26 November 2023 17: 25
    Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
    Quote: Tagan
    Otherwise they will ask you

    Who will ask us? May be you?

    Maybe we do too. There are enough questions for the Bulgarians (meanness, corruption). Are you untouchable? Or maybe invincible?))
    1. -15
      26 November 2023 18: 39
      Quote: Tagan
      Are you untouchable?

      I hope you’ve heard about NATO’s Article XNUMX? feel
      1. +8
        26 November 2023 18: 57
        Does this give you hellish courage in everything?? I won’t mention the analogy with a government company that sets a bully on passers-by. All the best.
        1. -6
          26 November 2023 19: 14
          Quote: Nexcom
          Does this give you hellish courage in everything?

          No, this gives us security when someone tries to “ask us” for their own reasons. hi
          1. +6
            26 November 2023 21: 17
            Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
            No, it gives us security

            This gives a coward the courage to loudly throw insults, just look at the Baltic “tigers”, they are more formidable than the United States, they are world hegemons, though only in their statements. Great power. "Ay, Moska! She must be strong if she barks at an elephant!"
          2. +3
            26 November 2023 22: 21
            Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
            No, it gives us security

            Who needs you? Do you seriously believe that the United States will send its troops to die for some natives? It was the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR that suffered such foolishness, but the Yankees will cheat you and not wince.
      2. +7
        26 November 2023 19: 00
        In addition to the last argument of the kings, there are a lot of economic opportunities, which after the Northern Military District I hope everyone, including Bulgaria, who supplied the Ukrainian regime, will have the opportunity to get acquainted with. Although...You don’t need to worry. Your economy is powerful and your allies are reliable. wink ...and yes! You have the fifth article of NATO. laughing
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        2. -8
          26 November 2023 19: 15
          Quote: gurzuf
          there are plenty of economic opportunities

          And who will use these opportunities, may I ask? What kind of global economic colossus is this unknown to me? laughing
          1. -6
            26 November 2023 21: 10
            And you can’t argue, go away. hi
      3. 0
        26 November 2023 20: 25
        Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
        I hope you’ve heard about NATO’s Article XNUMX?

        In the near future, you need to prepare for a war with the Albanians for Macedonia. Russia is unlikely to supply weapons to our brothers in the future or fight for them. The example of Israel shows that Europe does not want to aggravate relations with the Muslim world, just as no one from Europe fit in to fight for Byzantium. Both the USA and Germany and Russia swallowed the capture of their citizens by Hamas and quietly released all the violence against them. The United States hopes that the Crimean Tatars will conquer Crimea, the Russians, that the Albanians in Macedonia will fight with the Bulgarians. The United States was defeated in Afghanistan and left there; no one is stopping Pakistan from building up its nuclear missile weapons anymore. Both Russians and Ukrainians are copying modern Iranian drones. At the turn of the 14th-15th centuries, the Ottomans conquered the Balkans in about a century; most likely, at the turn of the 21st-22nd centuries, we will see the revival of the Turkish Empire. Now, in the course of tensions between NATO and Russia, Erdogan has a real chance to acquire nuclear weapons. By 2050, most likely, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Iran, in addition to Pakistan, will have nuclear weapons. Muslims in Macedonia will by that time be the majority of the population, and in Bulgaria they will be able to fight for autonomy.
        1. -6
          26 November 2023 21: 31
          Quote: gsev
          By 2050 year

          To live wassat
          Quote: gsev
          probably

          Grandma, sorry, with a dick - most likely grandfather laughing
          Quote: gsev
          in the near future

          You are frightening me in every way with instability and war here, but for now, thank God, we have silence and peace in Eastern Europe, and around you there are pockets of instability and war everywhere. Armenia, Transnistria, Ukraine, Georgia.
          I’ll tell you honestly - I don’t want any DPR-LPR, Abkhazia and Transnistria. Would you like the Kuban People's Republic? That's the same Yes
          1. +4
            26 November 2023 21: 59
            Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
            I’ll tell you honestly - I don’t want any DPR-LPR, Abkhazia and Transnistria.

            You should be watching, a puppet state. You yourself will agree to everything, just look at the failure of the gas pipeline through Bulgaria and the construction of a nuclear power plant. With a click you will do what is necessary, even to the detriment of your own interests, this reminds me of someone.
            1. 0
              26 November 2023 22: 03
              Quote: suhorukofal
              even to the detriment of one's interests

              What exactly are “your interests”? For example, I have a simple interest - peace with neighbors, the absence of puppet unrecognized quasi-state entities, the opportunity to freely work and travel between countries, access to technology. It seems that for now I have all these interests of mine. And you?
              1. +3
                26 November 2023 22: 17
                Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
                absence of puppet unrecognized quasi-state entities

                You yourself have gone far from this, aren’t YOU a puppet state? I have already spoken about South Stream, which was abandoned at the behest of the EU, which Turkey happily picked up.
                Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
                I have all these interests of mine.

                Do you have any interests besides eating and sleeping deliciously? So that the country would be independent, so that enemies would not dare to attack it?
                1. -6
                  26 November 2023 22: 33
                  Quote: suhorukofal
                  so that enemies would not dare to attack her?

                  It is precisely Article 5 of NATO that guarantees us that enemies will not attack, this is obvious, comrade drinks
                  1. +3
                    26 November 2023 22: 43
                    Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
                    It is precisely Article 5 of NATO that guarantees us that enemies will not attack, this is obvious, comrade

                    1. Have you read this article, or did someone tell you about it?
                    2. Have there already been precedents for the application of this wonderful article?
                    1. -3
                      26 November 2023 22: 53
                      Quote: Repellent
                      Have you read this article, or did someone tell you about it?

                      I read it, but it was a long time ago, so don’t ask me to quote it by heart. recourse
                      Quote: Repellent
                      Were there any precedents for the application of this wonderful article?

                      Precisely because it did not happen, collective security stipulates that the aggressor will not be the first to attack. Try to “introduce troops” into a NATO country, hold a referendum there, or form a separate quasi-state inside. Why do you think no one does this? It's not hard to guess soldier
                      1. +2
                        26 November 2023 22: 56
                        Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
                        I read it, but it was a long time ago, so don’t ask me to quote it by heart.

                        Badly. Otherwise, you would remember that the wording there is quite streamlined and broadly interpreted. Like “you were attacked, I’ll write you some humanitarian aid.”

                        Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
                        Try to "send troops" into a NATO country

                        Thank you, this is not required for now.
                  2. +4
                    26 November 2023 22: 56
                    It is obvious that you are not independent, that’s what is obvious. I can point my finger at Turkey and Greece, surprisingly, but it turns out that Russia is not the only evil. What about other sales of their own interests, such as a gas pipeline and the construction of a nuclear power plant, is this indicated somewhere? Oh yes, you need to eat deliciously and travel. Bulgaria is a rich country, you like to travel, waste money in Monaco, the rich have their own quirks.
              2. +3
                26 November 2023 22: 23
                Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
                absence of puppet unrecognized quasi-state entities

                You can apply the puppet definition to Bulgaria.
                1. 0
                  26 November 2023 22: 34
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  You can apply

                  This definition can be applied to anyone. Example – Is Belarus a puppet state or not? feel
                  1. 0
                    26 November 2023 22: 46
                    Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
                    This definition can be applied to anyone.

                    Try applying it to Russia or China or India? Are there any other objections?
                    1. -3
                      26 November 2023 22: 50
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Are there any other objections?

                      It won’t be when you answer me about Belarus feel
                      1. 0
                        26 November 2023 23: 08
                        I will answer. Lukashenko tried to flirt with Europe, supported Parashenko, and created a field for agreements. Only now he suddenly has lovers of European values ​​and Poland in particular. Did Russia plant it? Kazakhstan as an example, is Russia to blame again? If you want peace in our turbulent times, and not fight for your independence, then you will be slaves, I see you are quite happy with this, eat and travel.
                      2. -3
                        26 November 2023 23: 22
                        Quote: suhorukofal
                        Is Russia to blame again?
                        Did I blame someone somewhere?? I posed a direct question, and did not receive the same direct answer from either you or Dart2027 fool
                      3. +3
                        26 November 2023 23: 26
                        Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
                        I asked a direct question

                        You didn’t pose a question, you are engaged in demagoguery. They specifically pointed out to you that you are a puppet state, what does Belarus have to do with it? Who else will you refer to, Sudan, Central African Republic? Learn to be responsible for yourself, and not point fingers at others. I also asked you a direct question, but for some reason they decided to avoid answering, so it’s not for you to reproach. Although the more I communicate, the more I am inclined to think that this is another work of TsIPSO
                      4. +1
                        26 November 2023 23: 20
                        Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
                        Won't be when you

                        That is, the fact that Bulgaria is a puppet cannot be denied? Well, we will sort out our relations with Belarus.
                      5. +1
                        26 November 2023 23: 32
                        Along the way, another idiot, Buyan, although he could speak for his country, talked about South Stream, but this one is just at the level of a schoolchild
                      6. +2
                        27 November 2023 10: 34
                        Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Are there any other objections?

                        It won’t be when you answer me about Belarus feel

                        No, Belarus is not a puppet state. But in order for her to become a puppet, the mattresses with the state-owned company tried to remove Lukashenko from power through a coup and install the cook Tikhonovskaya in the presidential chair. If this succeeded, then Belarus could become a puppet state like Bulgaria. Yes
  12. +2
    26 November 2023 17: 26
    Quote from: dmi.pris1
    Strange Military Operation. And the main reason is underestimation of the enemy.

    Rather, it is an underestimation of what NATO delivered to this enemy.
  13. osp
    0
    26 November 2023 17: 49
    Well, now is the time that it is not so difficult to raise reconnaissance drones and see where these planes crashed, whether they exist at all.
    Moreover, the matter is not so far from the front line.
    What fell there and where.

    Not so long ago, our own Su-35S came under friendly fire from its own air defense.
    So the Ukrainians immediately picked up the drone and filmed the crash sites, putting them in their Cart.
    Literally that day.
  14. +5
    26 November 2023 17: 59
    Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
    Quote: Warabey
    secondly, pan-headed fakes rivet

    I never argued that propaganda comes from both sides. That is why I always denounce her. I don’t really have a bad attitude towards fake propaganda itself, it’s reality, but I don’t like those who fall for it en masse and downvote others for telling the truth, to be honest. what

    And who put you here as an accuser, and from Bulgaria too?
    1. -6
      26 November 2023 18: 41
      Quote: Strannik96
      And who put you here as an accuser?

      Yes, somehow I installed it myself)
      Quote: Strannik96
      and even from Bulgaria?

      I somehow didn’t see in the site rules a ban on Bulgarian citizens making comments here, maybe I read it wrong? Can you provide a screenshot of this item? (And after this, will anyone else talk about “denazification”?)
  15. +1
    26 November 2023 18: 03
    Quote from osp
    Can you imagine what more than 500 supposedly destroyed aircraft are and almost all applications for them are not far from the LBS?
    The entire territory of the DPR and LPR would be littered with their debris; almost everyone has phones with cameras and other gadgets for filming videos.
    And anything interesting that comes out of the sky is immediately removed when possible.
    But there are only dozens of such facts.

    Dialogue at the downed plane: what are you doing here? Yes, they complain at VO that no one takes pictures, I’ll take a couple of photos and go home
  16. osp
    +7
    26 November 2023 18: 03
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    Quote: Rumata
    Great! I kindly request the table.
    Number of UA Air Force aircraft until 24.02.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX, number delivered, number shot down, number remaining.
    Preferably for airplanes and helicopters separately.

    What will this give you? Only logs supplied Ukraine with at least 20 logs. And how many of them were there in all the countries that were once part of the Warsaw Pact, which all of them joined NATO? So don't be surprised winked

    Very little.
    Nothing compared to applications for those destroyed and those that were stored in Ukraine itself.
    No more than 30-40 MiG-29s could come from all over Europe; no one could give more.
    No more than 10-20 Su-25s could have come from the same place; there was nowhere else to take.
    We are not considering Su-24 and Su-27, the former were in abundance in Ukraine itself, and the latter also had their own and no one could deliver.
  17. +2
    26 November 2023 18: 12
    Apparently, the pairing with the A-50 has seriously improved the possibilities of hunting for unkilled roosters, like this, we are slowly learning to use our weapons correctly, this is not a joke, just a statement of facts. The T-80 was almost written off as scrap, but what a beauty it turned out to be, but is he the only one?
    But our most important weapon is, of course, the soldiers of the Russian army, and they are growing right before our eyes, keep it up guys!!!
  18. -1
    26 November 2023 18: 50
    Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor

    I never argued that propaganda comes from both sides. That is why I always denounce her. I don’t really have a bad attitude towards fake propaganda itself, it’s reality, but I don’t like those who fall for it en masse and downvote others for telling the truth, to be honest. what

    Accuser, beat and beat!)))
    It was funny...
    Are you all so, how can I put it without obscenity, naive?
    What do you even care about who gets pluses and who gets minuses? In your case, “truth” is what was hammered into your head and with which you ran into someone else’s garden (to Tula with your samovar).
  19. K_4
    +6
    26 November 2023 19: 03
    It seems that the Ukrainian Air Force had more than ours at once, and everything was in good working order. Well, or we knocked down a UFO, and now the dudes from Aldebaran are sharpening their grudge against us.
    1. +1
      26 November 2023 20: 28
      Quote: K_4
      It seems that the Ukrainian Air Force was larger than ours at once

      Enemy losses are usually exaggerated by about 5 times.
  20. +2
    26 November 2023 20: 45
    Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
    Quote: Strannik96
    And who put you here as an accuser?

    Yes, somehow I installed it myself)
    Quote: Strannik96
    and even from Bulgaria?

    I somehow didn’t see in the site rules a ban on Bulgarian citizens making comments here, maybe I read it wrong? Can you provide a screenshot of this item? (And after this, will anyone else talk about “denazification”?)

    Did you install it yourself? You'd think the place would be empty without you. It’s a long way from the accuser - as in the position in which Bulgaria has stood for centuries, and from Kyiv. At best, you can join the ranks of tsipsota and liberota in the queue for the status of “accuser” (throwing on the fan).
    Of course there is no ban, but as they say,
    "Make yourself at home, but don't forget that you are a guest."
    Why don’t you, Russophobes, like denazification? Or rather, we don’t ask whether you like it or not, because it’s not your place to teach us anything. Understand?
  21. +1
    26 November 2023 21: 13
    When will they end?
  22. 0
    27 November 2023 00: 11
    Quote from: dmi.pris1
    There, at storage bases, there were hundreds of aircraft in varying degrees of unavailability. Including Su27s, they were delivered to the police department. They managed to restore some of them.

    To which country was the Su-27 delivered to the ATS? Do you even have any idea what restoring an aircraft is? For example, where can we get new engines for the Mig-29?
  23. 0
    27 November 2023 00: 15
    Quote from AdAstra
    They did not supply Su-27 OVD. It’s just that someone likes to “exaggerate”, holding others to be, to put it mildly, “stupid.”

    They'll eat the bullies, and the bots will support them)
  24. -1
    27 November 2023 00: 19
    Quote: Repellent
    Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
    It is precisely Article 5 of NATO that guarantees us that enemies will not attack, this is obvious, comrade

    1. Have you read this article, or did someone tell you about it?
    2. Have there already been precedents for the application of this wonderful article?

    Well, so far there have been no heroes to take aim at NATO, so the article was not applied)
  25. osp
    +2
    27 November 2023 00: 32
    Quote from Tim666
    Quote from: dmi.pris1
    There, at storage bases, there were hundreds of aircraft in varying degrees of unavailability. Including Su27s, they were delivered to the police department. They managed to restore some of them.

    To which country was the Su-27 delivered to the ATS? Do you even have any idea what restoring an aircraft is? For example, where can we get new engines for the Mig-29?

    All the Su-27s of the USSR Air Force that were in Europe flew to Russia by the mid-90s.
    The Su-27 regiment from Latvia was transferred to the Nizhny Novgorod region, the Su-27 regiment from Poland was transferred to Petrozavodsk.
    The MiG-29 regiment was transferred from Germany to Andreapol.
    In the countries of the former ATS, neither the Su-27 nor the Su-24 remained in any form.
  26. +3
    27 November 2023 02: 29
    over 500 planes and 250 helicopters were destroyed by our native Ministry of Defense, and for each unit 300 k are due
  27. +2
    27 November 2023 07: 05
    Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor

    What exactly are “your interests”? For example, I have a simple interest - peace with neighbors, the absence of puppet unrecognized quasi-state entities, the opportunity to freely work and travel between countries, access to technology. It seems that for now I have all these interests of mine. And you?

    I was especially pleased about access to technology. Which ones exactly? Well, of course, you can be immensely happy, fantasizing about having access to some kind of technology. But what does this give you when you don’t have the brains to use them? Reminds me of a monkey and glasses.
    Russia, unlike you, has brains and its own technologies.
    About working freely. Our unemployment rate is lower. In addition, we do not need to look for work in another country, but for you this is a necessity. Therefore, you replace the concept of “travel” with scouring Europe in search of work. We don’t have to go to your bug infestation, because... firstly, your own country is huge, and secondly, the EU and the USA are not the whole world, but a small part of it.
    What did you say about puppet formations? Should you talk about this?))) Bulgaria is an ordinary weak-willed puppet that the owners have as they want.
  28. 0
    27 November 2023 07: 23
    Quote: Bulgarian_Chernomor
    Quote: suhorukofal
    so that enemies would not dare to attack her?

    It is precisely Article 5 of NATO that guarantees us that enemies will not attack, this is obvious, comrade drinks

    Article 5 does not guarantee you absolutely anything, because it assumes different developments of events. You didn't read it, but you love to hide behind it.
    In general, NATO is an instrument of the United States. And the mattresses will use this tool at their own discretion. Well, if you ask yourself to have your head turned for your dirty tricks, then you will have to answer for them. States usually fit in mostly in a pack, and not alone, when the enemy is a militarily weak state (well, like Bulgaria)))). This will not work with Russia. So the interpretation of the fifth article will be in accordance with the situation.))