Western military experts: It was believed that Russia’s capabilities to create and modernize UAVs were extremely limited

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Western military experts: It was believed that Russia’s capabilities to create and modernize UAVs were extremely limited

The Ukrainian conflict showed the increasingly increasing role of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) in solving problems during military operations. Both sides actively use drones in this conflict.

A variety of types of UAVs are involved in the conflict in Ukraine, but the American publication Business Insider singled out the latest Russian Lancet drone. The publication notes that this drone can bypass the protection of Ukrainian equipment. In addition, the Lancet ammunition explodes in the air at a certain distance from the target and releases an impact core towards the target, writes Business Insider.

According to the authors of the publication, it is obvious that these new Russian drones are equipped with a laser rangefinder from two optical cameras. And detonating ammunition in the air allows drone avoid getting into the area of ​​protective equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.



Russian Lancet drones have become a scourge on the Ukrainian battlefield and are constantly improving their range and capabilities

- says the material of the American publication.

Western military experts said the supplies weapons Ukraine was guided by anti-Russian sanctions, “and it was believed that Russia’s capabilities to create and modernize UAVs were extremely limited,” but practice has shown that the sanctions could not block Russian military-industrial potential. In other words, the Americans and Europeans were counting on the fact that the Russian military industry would, as they say, burst due to sanctions. And it not only did not burst, but also increased its pace, and also moved on to the creation of modernized weapons for the Russian Armed Forces.

The Lancet was developed by the Russian company ZALA and presented to the general public in June 2019 at the Army 2019 exhibition in Moscow. The drone was developed to destroy ground vehicles and other targets on the front line and behind enemy lines.

If you believe data from open sources, the drone’s flight range is 40-50 km, and its maximum flight time is 40 minutes. It can be armed with either high-explosive fragmentation or cumulative warheads. However, the new modification likely has better performance.
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  1. +22
    20 November 2023 09: 36
    Do you remember such ancient bullshit was called “Bairaktar”?

    There was another sect like this laughing
    1. +2
      20 November 2023 09: 49
      Bayraktar, by the way, were far from the easiest targets; in Libya they drank the blood of even the Shells. Another thing is that it’s one thing when there are single anti-aircraft guns like in Libya, and another thing when there’s layered air defense like we have in the Northern Military District. when there is layered air defense, then most of the UAVs go through the forest, because there is no speed, no maneuverability, no load.
      but copters are something that will change all future wars and ours may criminally neglect them again, because even now all fpv drones are craftsmen who, after the end of the SVO, will face oblivion if they have no connections ((((
    2. +9
      20 November 2023 10: 23
      They forgot what history drilled into them every time. They were counting on the fact that their 5th column had already completely destroyed everything in the country. Russia cannot be defeated by force, no matter what, but we know how to make weapons and how to fight. Yes, modernization of the same lancets was required, this was shown by the first military operations and they were improved, and this was what was required.
      1. -2
        21 November 2023 19: 03
        For a year we take Avdeevka where we were there and stayed, and this is called “we know how to fight” and this is a shame for all time, the whole world is laughing at us from the second army of the world!
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    3. +4
      20 November 2023 15: 32
      Quote: FighterD
      There was another sect like this
      The sect of Bayraktar's witnesses in full force converted to the sect of St. Javelina, then to St. Himars, and then into the sect of the no less revered St. Abrams. Now converts are increasingly inclined to F16: the lancet is not scary for him, and they feel safer.
  2. +12
    20 November 2023 09: 39
    Well, what comments can there be about our Western “partners”. "The turkey also thought he was a sailor until the water boiled"
  3. +14
    20 November 2023 09: 44
    The Americans and Europeans hoped that the sanctions would cause Russia's military industry to burst, as they say. And it not only did not burst, but also increased its pace, and also moved on to the creation of modernized weapons for the Russian Armed Forces.

    Well, Obama also said that the Russian economy was torn to shreds.
    But the most surprising thing is that the most breakthrough technologies and trends are created mainly in difficult times (war). What does this mean? About the fact that when they don’t interfere, everything works out. During perestroika, a satisfying life was hindered and slowed down by sweet promises and handouts and spread rot on development, but during the war, on the contrary, hardships and deprivations with necessity and need give an amazing result of development.
    What can I say, the mentality, language and logic of the Russian mind is such that it strives for development and ingenuity, that is, creation, which means we are creators (not copyrighters, not parasites, not money-grubbers, not parasites, not swindlers, not provocateurs).
    But we can apply all the negativity to those who will get us in the end and apply this negativity to us. Having studied the rules of the game, we win everyone over time. Well, for some reason it is.
    1. -2
      20 November 2023 11: 04
      Quote: Irokez
      But the most surprising thing is that the most breakthrough technologies and trends are created mainly in difficult times (war).

      What technologies? TV signal transmission?
      The technology is “fire and forget”, but this is an ordinary model designer, schoolchildren made such models in my childhood.
      Everything here was invented about 30 years ago, we just need to set up mass production. But here...............it’s not like building Cherkizons!
      1. +4
        20 November 2023 14: 26
        Quote: APASUS
        The technology is “fire and forget”, but this is an ordinary model designer

        Actually, after the Lancet is launched at the target and the “aiming point” is fixed, it goes to the target in automatic mode, because the signal is usually lost near the ground. Thanks to this, he became insensitive to electronic warfare.
        1. 0
          22 November 2023 10: 57
          Quote: bayard
          Actually, after the Lancet is launched at the target and the “aiming point” is fixed, it goes to the target in automatic mode, because the signal is usually lost near the ground. Thanks to this, he became insensitive to electronic warfare.

          I wonder what kind of electronic warfare equipment these are that operate within line of sight
      2. +2
        20 November 2023 16: 15
        In my opinion, television guidance is more reliable from the point of view of hitting a target than “fire and forget.” To carry out “fire and forget” you need to either first capture the target of the missile’s seeker from on board (which is unsafe) or launch a missile with a very expensive and sophisticated seeker somewhere in the target area with independent detection and recognition of the target (and it is not a fact that it will arrive if there is interference where needed).
        It’s just easier to launch a TV-guided missile into the target area, detect the target and hit it (in this case, the carrier can be tens of kilometers away). The only question is reliable, noise-resistant communication.
  4. +3
    20 November 2023 09: 56
    "Russia's capabilities to create and modernize UAVs are extremely limited"
    Some kind of nonsense, IMHO.
    The Internet is full of videos showing how luxurious aircraft models are created in sheds from sticks, foam plastic and a fan.
    All aerodynamics have long been known. The aircraft model fans remain, thank God.
    So essentially you need electronics, engines and explosives.
    1 and 2 will be given by the Chinese, Iranians or someone else. Its own explosives.
    and all
    1. +2
      20 November 2023 10: 00
      Quote: Max1995
      1 and 2 will be given by the Chinese, Iranians or someone else.

      Yes, and this is ours, which is already beginning to be produced as import substitution is mastered.
  5. +7
    20 November 2023 10: 06
    The Lancet uses a very simple and effective guidance system. Respect to its famous developers and creators! But why was Orion lost? Why doesn’t he interfere with American UAVs over the Black Sea, which are aimed by Ukrainian drones? Why doesn’t it patrol over the Turkish Stream and in the Baltic? Why doesn’t it provide target designation in the northwestern military district up to 100 km and closer? How were the problems with its engine and control system solved? And what is the plant doing that is supposed to fill the army with Orions? Why did Forpost-R disappear? What kind of magic is this? Is there something wrong with the memory? Not a word in the reports and reports.
    1. -1
      20 November 2023 10: 08
      And for what purpose are you interested in?
      Too many questions in one post.
      1. +2
        20 November 2023 10: 19
        These are not questions! This is a harsh reality that is not pleasant. In Syria, Orions with an Austrian Rotex-912 engine were used. When trying to copy it, difficulties arose...
        1. +3
          20 November 2023 10: 37
          Orion was tested in Syria. The results were, one might say, excellent. It was decided to launch a reconnaissance and strike version of this drone, called the "Pacer-RU", into production. According to Kronstadt, the maximum take-off weight of the "Pacer" reaches 1 ton, the maximum payload weight is 200 kg, the flight altitude is 7,5 thousand m, and the radio range is 300 km. The cruising speed of the device varies from 120 to 200 km/h.

          The Sirius UAV is being created on its basis.
          1. -4
            20 November 2023 11: 49
            If one UAV has difficulties with its power plant, then how can a new one be created on its basis, also with 2 of the same engines? You should always think and not listen to fairy tales. By the way, your data is already out of date. We don’t want to be the “Free Queen” anymore. We are creating a new UAV with a jet engine based on the VK-650. Why do you think?
            1. +3
              20 November 2023 12: 22
              Quote: Totvolk80
              If one UAV has difficulties with its power plant, then how can a new one be created on its basis, also with 2 of the same engines? You should always think and not listen to fairy tales. By the way, your data is already out of date. We don’t want to be the “Free Queen” anymore. We are creating a new UAV with a jet engine based on the VK-650. Why do you think?


              What makes you think that there are difficulties with the engines? The link below is a test flight of Sirius in June 2023.

              https://topwar.ru/218323-pojavilis-kadry-ispytatelnogo-poleta-predserijnogo-obrazca-novogo-rossijskogo-bpla-sirius.html
              1. 0
                21 November 2023 09: 18
                You are looking on the Internet for a new engine for the Orion UAV. And immediately a wealth of information for lovers of fairy tales. It's simple.
            2. -1
              20 November 2023 12: 27
              Two answers, one that there are problems with the engine, and the second that they are too slow. Such drones have become a good target. Yes, the Americans admitted that drones need higher speeds.
    2. +9
      20 November 2023 10: 10
      Forpost-RU has not disappeared, they just don’t write much about it. Video of its use is at the link below.

      The Forpost-RU UAV is manufactured entirely from Russian components and with domestic software. It belongs to the class of tactical reconnaissance and strike drones. The total take-off weight of the UAV is 500 kg, while Forpost-RU carries up to 120 kg of payload.


      Two days later, On December 4, Forpost-RU was used to strike enemy transport and personnel in the area of ​​the same Volchansk. As a result, automobile equipment and 6 personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed.

      https://topcor.ru/29864-rossija-nachala-aktivnee-primenjat-udarnye-bpla-forpost-ru.html


      Footage of the Forpost-RU reconnaissance and attack UAV. The drone is armed with KAB-20S adjustable bombs.
      https://t.me/swodki/244364

      "Forpost-RU" differs from "Geranium" for the better. In the sense that the UAV is equipped with a competent fairing, and not stupid tubes from cylinders. The device has been significantly improved. Now the Moscow Region orders them in commercial quantities, so the machine works to its full potential.


      The newest modification “Forpost” with the letters “RU” appeared in 2022. The exact characteristics of the UAV are classified. They write that the machine can carry a payload of 120 kg and fly at a speed of 200 km/h at an altitude of 8 km. Autonomous flight time - 18 hours."Forpost-RU" has an autopilot and a remote control system, navigation aids, an optical-electronic station, and the list goes on. Now the UAV uses only domestic devices. There is no Israeli filling in it.

      https://dzen.ru/a/ZSz9NqsTQXa8DA2N


      The on-board equipment is capable of detecting armored vehicles at ranges of up to 18 km. The guidance system points missiles and bombs at an object and calculates its coordinates. A laser rangefinder is also used for target designation.It remains to be said that Forpost-RU is a completely modern technology. However, 120 kg of payload is not enough. I'm glad that KABs are also guided by satellite. This makes them a more versatile weapon. For example, you can use bombs even in the rain.
      1. +2
        20 November 2023 10: 38
        Until February 24.02.2022, 12, the Forpost-R UAV was produced at a rate of 20 units per year, one per month, and with a foreign engine! Nobody needs the Forpost-R drone with KAB-XNUMXS. Its destruction capabilities are completely covered by the Lancet in range, despite the fact that the Forpost-R takes off only from a mini airfield where the control point is located. As a striker, in this case it is inferior in radius of application to the Lancet, to put it mildly...
        1. +6
          20 November 2023 10: 55
          The Forpost-RU UAV is a direct analogue of the Bayraktar. And the Lancet is a loitering munition. It’s like comparing warm with wet. Each of them is good in its niche. And by the way, it would be nice to launch the same Lancet from the Forpost-RU UAV, which is technically quite realistically and then there will be no disputes, I think there will be no. Forpost-RU is reconnaissance and strike UAV , and the Lancet is loitering munition with reconnaissance functions.You are not comparing the KR X-101 with its carrier Tu-95MSM.



          1. -1
            20 November 2023 11: 39
            You don’t really understand how the Lancet is aimed. For obvious reasons, I cannot tell you this. Although, according to comments from the enemy side, this is no longer a secret. Considering the guidance features, the Lancet complex is not exactly a loitering munition... So the comparison is appropriate, given the real combat radius of the Outpost.
      2. -5
        20 November 2023 12: 39
        Alexander, it’s very nice to meet you. Thank you for your keen interest in UAVs. Let's think. To use an attack UAV, you need to detect and recognize the target in real time. The operator should see a good picture in real time on the monitor screen. At what distance can we do this? This is the main characteristic of all UAVs! Who knows about this? That's where the fairy tales end. The main use now of "Orions" and "Outposts" is blind flight along a route with recording of intelligence data on a medium and its decryption after landing.
  6. +2
    20 November 2023 10: 10
    Quote: Irokez
    But the most surprising thing is that the most breakthrough technologies and trends are created mainly in difficult times. What does this mean? About the fact that when they don’t interfere, everything works out.
    A conclusion that has the right to life and has been verified by the practice of design work. The main obstacle to the development of technology is ordinary middle managers who have resigned themselves to the usual state of affairs.
    1. +3
      20 November 2023 10: 28
      Quote: Conrad1045
      who have resigned themselves to the usual state of affairs.

      Rather not humbled, but simply do not want to change the state of affairs that gives the established comfort. Since changing something means moving and working, which reduces comfort and status at work.
  7. +5
    20 November 2023 10: 11
    Western experts proceed from the postulate that: “...Russians, they are untermenschen...” they walk the streets in bast shoes, but they still fight with Mosin rifles. And in general they should run away at the mere sight of the “White Master”.
  8. -7
    20 November 2023 10: 12
    ...that sanctions failed to block Russian military-industrial potential...

    what
    But still, it would be worthwhile, not to forget, but to take a closer look at the fact that “Geranium” is a species introduced from Iran. But then the North Koreans appeared among the artillery shells. I don’t even remember about the auto industry (some kind)...
    1. +2
      20 November 2023 10: 42
      Franchement je ne te comprends pas pourtant l'industrie de ton pays la Russie monte en puissance. Les voitures lada continuent de se développer malgré le retrait des français. Doncça tu ne vois pas?? Pourquoi aimez vous minimiser autant votre pays ??
      1. +1
        20 November 2023 10: 48
        Parce qu'il est un ennemi, un provocateur ou un agent étranger acheté.
      2. -2
        20 November 2023 11: 55
        Parce que dans les voitures "Lada", seul le nom russe, et les acheteurs. Le reste est chinois... recourse
  9. +1
    20 November 2023 10: 17
    The Lancet is serious, it has proven itself to be excellent, so hold on You bastards ❗We can do everything when necessary, but let them keep all these Western suckings of this topic for themselves, because they are in the Ass, along with NATO ❗❗❗
  10. +3
    20 November 2023 10: 23
    Russian drones of a new modification are equipped with a laser rangefinder from two optical cameras

    There is such:
  11. -15
    20 November 2023 10: 26
    The Turks will send our grain in flour to Africa as their own and will influence Africa if we lose. The C400 was copied. They copied the icebreaker and ordered it from the Turks.
    1. +6
      20 November 2023 13: 12
      Yes, Mykola. Things aren't going very well for you right now. There is no grain, no pennies, no counterattack.
      1. +2
        20 November 2023 16: 21
        Quote: Bodypuncher
        Yes, Mykola. Things aren't going very well for you right now. There is no grain, no pennies, no counterattack.
        They will find something to console themselves with. Like that village woman at a meeting of collective farmers, after the chairman announced “And now - the debate,” she began to lament: “Mene pershu, for Mene’s house is not heated, the cow is not milked and the wine, damn it, is drunk.” Waiting for the announcement of the debate.
  12. +3
    20 November 2023 10: 49
    Quote: Irokez
    It’s more likely that they haven’t come to terms with it, but simply don’t want to change...
    Synonyms smile An example from practice in the design department. The production made a proposal to reduce the dosing cycle when cleaning equipment. There is a technical solution, but we need to change the concept, carry out testing, and look for funding. The head of the department took the position: “Why change, it works.” As a result of the design work carried out, the design was simplified, reliability and productivity increased, and a positive decision on the invention was obtained. We received the following feedback from production: “What a job!”
    1. +1
      20 November 2023 11: 04
      There are different situations and it is not a fact that innovation will give an improved result. There is even a saying: “The best is the enemy of the good.” Some alterations and improvements are not at all economically justified (well, unless there is a cut in finances or the appearance of vigorous activity).
  13. +6
    20 November 2023 11: 52
    But the Portuguese are ahead of the rest of the planet in terms of drones... the other day they tested the latest super-UAV.... not like backward Russia.....
  14. +3
    20 November 2023 11: 53
    But the Portuguese are ahead of the rest of the planet in terms of drones... the other day they tested the latest super-UAV.... not like backward Russia.....
  15. +7
    20 November 2023 13: 14
    I really hope that the merits of the creators of the Lancet and those involved are appreciated... both materially and morally... they really deserve it...
  16. +5
    20 November 2023 13: 40
    Unexpectedly, the Kalashnikov Hall Lancet ammo for marauding drones has become the deadliest weapon in the Russian arsenal, causing the most casualties to the enemy.
  17. +1
    20 November 2023 15: 08
    Extrémně omezení zůstali jen západní vojenští experti!
    1. +3
      20 November 2023 15: 09
      Only Western military specialists remained extremely limited!
  18. +2
    21 November 2023 06: 07
    It seems that the Americans are judging us by their own propaganda, apparently their own information war turned out to be excessively powerful and is hitting them. It’s not for nothing that they say - don’t dig a hole for someone else, you’ll disappear into it yourself).
  19. 0
    21 November 2023 14: 56
    Something like Global Hawk? Yes, the creation of such a class of UAV is one big question. But everything that is smaller, thanks to the Chinese, is riveted in large quantities. I recently came across a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGUoHnuuXhU
    After which he believed the words in an interview with one of the commanders of a gang of traitors fighting on the side of Ukraine, that when he entered the position with his detachment, about 20 of these machines immediately attacked them and the entire unit went back. I don’t know what was in his intonation about this - anger or surprise, but the man was clearly impressed.
  20. fiv
    0
    21 November 2023 20: 56
    Everything will work out until thieving bureaucrats with or without shoulder straps and their accomplices - no less thieving fraudulent managers from general contracting, tenders, etc. - get into the business. and so on.
  21. 0
    22 November 2023 02: 17
    Quote: FighterD
    Do you remember such ancient bullshit was called “Bairaktar”?

    There was another sect like this laughing

    Humor is good, but bayraktars are still used for reconnaissance, largely due to their good optics.

    But we have nothing comparable to this.
    Well, the fact that there are no vanderwafes now is clear to anyone

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