The Russian President said that until 2014 he did not believe in the possibility of an armed conflict with Ukraine

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The Russian President said that until 2014 he did not believe in the possibility of an armed conflict with Ukraine

Just recently, few would have thought that Russia and Ukraine could enter into such a large-scale armed conflict. This was stated by the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin, speaking at the St. Petersburg Cultural Forum.

As the head of the Russian state noted, until 2014, a large number of smart and talented people simply went about their business and did not suspect that such a development of events was possible. But then the situation changed.



Until 2014, it never occurred to me that there could be such a conflict between Russia and Ukraine

- noted the President of Russia.

Therefore, Putin said, he admits that those people who criticized the special military operation simply did not understand what was happening. The activities of people should be assessed not by what they say, but by what they do, the Russian leader emphasized.

If this activity is connected with causing damage to one’s own country, one’s own people - such activity also takes place, we see it - fees are transferred somewhere, frankly speaking, to the enemy, then this is one story. If it's just an opinion, a point of view, an assessment of the situation - that's a different story

- said the head of state.

Putin called for listening to the main objective factor – the opinion of the people. This should be the determining factor. In addition, the president touched upon in his speech the attempt to “cancel” Russian culture by the West, emphasizing that this is impossible to do. As for ties with Europe, Russia, according to the president, does not intend to sever them, but currently there is a conflict with the European elites.
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  1. +23
    17 November 2023 20: 31
    Just recently, few would have thought that Russia and Ukraine could enter into such a large-scale armed conflict.


    Let me rephrase. Until recently, few people could NOT to think that Russia and Ukraine could enter into such a large-scale armed conflict. But now no one will think that such a conflict is impossible. Everything was leading to this. The conflict was never resolved in 2015, but it was started and, as a result, we have a natural result. It is all the more obvious that Ukraine has been preparing for war with Russia since the 90s. Already then, children were being trained in Bandera camps in the West of Ukraine and they said that they would reach the Urals. There was no Orange Revolution, no Euromaidan, no 2014 yet and Crimea, and Donbass. Moreover, all this was shown on central Russian channels. Preparing children and their statements about reaching the Urals. In my opinion, on ORT. That's why The special services could not have known this.What other proof was needed? But everyone was flying in the clouds and engaged in self-deception that supposedly this couldn’t happen, because it couldn’t happen, because someone, you see, doesn’t believe in it. And in general, supposedly no one will fight with us, and if it does, then we have nuclear weapons. As a result, all illusions are dispelled by harsh reality. From heaven to earth.
    1. -14
      17 November 2023 20: 38
      Quote from Orange Bigg
      The conflict was never resolved in 2015, but it was started and, as a consequence, we have a logical result.

      And who should have decided? Who started it? Well, think for yourself: in those days you could have assumed that we would fight. For example, I couldn’t even think about it and thought that everything would be decided differently.
      1. -10
        17 November 2023 20: 56
        Yes, in principle, it was a miracle that the conflict did not flare up in Crimea back in 2014. But apparently the United States insisted on this and Ukraine did not flinch, but the Donbass flared up in 2014 and Ukraine, having the opportunity even then to resolve the conflict in its favor, did not do this, probably on orders USA, since Donbass was used as a training ground for preparation for a big war with Russia and as the cause of a big conflict. The Americans most likely helped us take control of Crimea as a bait, as a trap, so that at any moment we could start a conflict with Russia in an attempt take it under Western control. They could very well tell us that they don’t mind if Crimea goes to Russia, but at the same time they were playing their own game.
        1. AUL
          +20
          17 November 2023 21: 31
          Quote from Orange Bigg
          The amers most likely helped us take control of Crimea as a bait, as a trap, so that at any moment we could start a conflict with Russia in an attempt to take it under Western control.

          Brad!
          1. +6
            18 November 2023 00: 36
            I agree, I’m from Sevastopol, we’ve already started building schools for the Amers and everything else. If the Ukrainians had removed our fleet then the NATO one came in and then the Ukrainians signed a contract with NATO, it would have been for 100 years, something like that
            1. +6
              18 November 2023 06: 37
              I already wrote about “A Clockwork Orange.” The conflict was being prepared from the outside, they even wrote about it openly on the Internet, seventeen years ago. But I didn’t believe the GDP... Or Illarion’s advisers were blowing in their ears.
              1. +4
                18 November 2023 12: 07
                And the King is a mediocrity. What did intelligence do? Where is the Foreign Ministry’s analysis of neighboring countries? Does the Security Council use intelligence data and analysis from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs? Toothless, stupid management of the country. And then the invoice arrived. We are unlikely to learn about budget expenditures. First we will find out what people pay, the elite part of our multinational people. It will probably be much more than 50 thousand. And how will stupid, short-sighted management pay?
        2. 0
          17 November 2023 21: 32
          I think a little differently.
          In 14, when the coup unexpectedly occurred, no one was prepared for the consequences that unfolded later. And even the Anglo-Saxons did not foresee much, especially Crimea and the LDPR. Therefore, events did not develop according to plan, but spontaneously, and neither side could show the strength and character to make a strong-willed decision.
          Ukraine did not have the military forces to even conquer the LDPR, let alone Crimea. We also could not, taking into account geopolitics and heavy dependence on the West, take decisive action to protect the LDPR and only helped indirectly and covertly.
          After all, they still believed that we were brothers and it was impossible to fight and were waiting for something that would even out and balance everything. But the Anglo-Saxons wove a rope and a noose for the future war into which we found ourselves.
          Everything would have been resolved if the leadership of the Outskirts had normal pro-Slavic leaders who had not sold out to the Anglo-Saxons. And there, since independence, everyone has already been controlled and bought, and even Yanukovych is spineless and thieving. But the very first was Khrushchev, who did a lot of things in the USSR for the glory of the Outskirts.
          1. 0
            17 November 2023 21: 35
            By the way, Khrushchev was the first to dress up in embroidered shirt. Kursk guy.



            When the security officers dug under Khrushchev, it turned out that in his native village of Kalinovka it had long been an open secret that Nikita Sergeevich’s father was a wealthy Polish landowner Alexander Gasvitsky, for whom Khrushchev’s mother worked as a housewife. It was he who sent him with a recommendation to Yuzovka, to his friend, industrialist Kirsch. ... How true this is is difficult to say now, but Molotov also indirectly mentioned Khrushchev’s “development”. In a well-known note, he writes that the security officers could not find a mine in Yuzovka with the name that Nikita Sergeevich indicated (where he allegedly worked in his youth). The historian Melnichuk, who worked a lot in his time in Soviet archives, says that it was Stalin he held back Khrushchev’s “development”, and until the end of his life he was with him “a rural child Mikitka.”

            https://dzen.ru/a/XS8ayuMGLACu-vHd
            1. +5
              17 November 2023 23: 46
              Orange-Bigg...... Kursk guy.

              He is as Kurdish as Pasha Klimkin, wretchedness.
            2. +1
              18 November 2023 00: 37
              So he is Ukrainian by nationality
          2. -10
            17 November 2023 21: 37
            When it all started and there was a landing near Kiev. The top of the Square dumped something into Poland, or maybe further away. Although all NATO intelligence knew how many and where the forces were, and that the mother of Russian cities could not be taken with such forces. But it was a surprise even for them.
            1. +8
              17 November 2023 21: 45
              Quote from Mitos
              When it all started and there was a landing near Kiev. The top of the Square dumped something into Poland, or maybe further away. Although all NATO intelligence knew how many and where the forces were, and that the mother of Russian cities could not be taken with such forces. But it was a surprise even for them.


              Now such are the top. You can remember Prigozhin’s riot on June 24, 2023. And how many planes and helicopters flew in one direction or another in one day.
        3. -2
          17 November 2023 21: 46
          The United States had already begun to invest in modernizing the Sevastopol base to suit its own interests.
          At the same time, bringing Sevastopol under the full control of Russia would be complete bullshit.
          1. 0
            17 November 2023 22: 23
            So a line of ships from other countries went there. True, the base was not very suitable for them; the fairway there was specific; their ships themselves would not be moored. But the wedges were knocked down. But Balaklava was crawled up and down, but the base was immediately ruined, so they won’t even get in...
        4. +12
          17 November 2023 23: 36
          It’s too bad that I didn’t think about this in 2014. And the xoxles thought about this already in 1993, when they formed their army. One of the issues when selecting candidates was the readiness to fight with the Russian Federation. And they already started fighting with the UNA UNSO militants in 1992 in Abkhazia, continued in the Northern Caucasus and even more closely with seconded military personnel from Ukraine in South Ossetia in 2008. So everything was leading up to this.
        5. +1
          18 November 2023 18: 01
          And who remembers how in 2014, well-made videos were distributed among patriotic groups, saying that Ukraine cannot be attacked, that this is all the Americans want, that Putin would give the order to send troops, and that the people should rally around the president and support a wise decision to NOT ENTER troops.... And it’s really wise not to send troops into a country where there is no legitimate government and public administration has been violated, but to recognize the post-Maidan government, let it clean up about the Russian forces, let it get together and organize, and give NATO time to fill Ukraine to the brim with weapons.
      2. +13
        17 November 2023 21: 36
        In 2008, for some reason, they quickly decided and sorted it out. But in 2015, it turns out, no one could have even thought of it, out of the blue.
        1. +7
          17 November 2023 23: 05
          Quote: RoadRunner
          But in 2015, it turns out, no one could have even thought of it, out of the blue.

          Most likely, they took into account that the elites involved in business with Russia would not want to lose income, but they did not take into account the great interest of mattresses in preparing and organizing the battle and the fact that they already had this entire Ukrainian elite by the gills.
          1. Msi
            -3
            17 November 2023 23: 11
            that they already had this entire Ukrainian elite by the gills.

            There was a meeting between Zelensky and Ukrainian oligarchs. Before our start of the SVO.
            1. +3
              18 November 2023 00: 21
              Quote from Msi
              that they already had this entire Ukrainian elite by the gills.

              There was a meeting between Zelensky and Ukrainian oligarchs. Before our start of the SVO.

              In 2015? Meeting with Zelensky?
              You are inattentive No.
      3. +3
        17 November 2023 22: 04
        Quote: Irokez
        In those days you could have assumed that we would fight.

        I personally knew this from the beginning of the 90s, then it was already clear that a war between Russia and Ukraine was inevitable. In the same way, Germany’s attack on the USSR was a foregone conclusion in 1933.
      4. +7
        18 November 2023 10: 16
        For example, I couldn’t even think like that

        So you were probably frozen and missed the events. Find a video of the burning in the house of trade unions 14, read the speeches and articles of Yarosh and Turchinov, who headed the Criminal Code in 14. Also, by August 29, as the resource “military chronicle” claims, the scale of the war surpassed the first
        and the second Chechen war, there were cauldrons in which almost all the army units that the Armed Forces of Ukraine had managed to assemble at that time fell into, how can one not understand that they want revenge? It's simply mind boggling. Moreover, the junta officially stated in articles, interviews and in issuing laws that it would start a war to take Crimea back.
        However, you may be frozen or in an unteachable state, but the president of a country of 140 million cannot help but understand what is happening.
      5. 0
        18 November 2023 17: 49
        In general, even after the war on 08.08.08 with Georgia, some politicians almost immediately began to say that the next war would be with Ukraine, and even called 2015. This is the kind of president we have, he believes in Western partners, but not in his own domestic politicians.
    2. +27
      17 November 2023 20: 57
      But everyone was flying in the clouds and engaged in self-deception

      Yeah, self-deception.... The loot was chopped and the toad was strangled. As always, the main thing is to cut it down here and now, and then it will somehow sort itself out.... The trouble is that NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
    3. +3
      17 November 2023 21: 36
      I never understood why go with a machine gun to the Urals, become part of the Russian Federation and walk at least to Vladivostok calmly and comfortably. And the Ukrainian elites have always had a place in the Russian/Soviet government. What's the point of all this then... some kind of idiocy.
      1. +1
        18 November 2023 10: 27
        And the Ukrainian elites have always had a place in Russian/Soviet power

        This is not enough for them; the new opportunities have taken their breath away, since the outside world provides more opportunities to convert billions into enjoying life. A villa in the tropics on the ocean, this is not the village of Gryazi, where Pugacheva has a house.
    4. -1
      17 November 2023 22: 37
      The sofa is always right............
      1. +1
        18 November 2023 17: 44
        Sofa is not deceived at least all the time. And here it’s just holy naivety
    5. +10
      18 November 2023 00: 02
      Quote from Orange Bigg
      But everyone was flying in the clouds and engaged in self-deception that supposedly this couldn’t be, because it couldn’t be, because someone, you see, doesn’t believe in it.

      Yes, there was no “self-deception”, because by engaging in total de-Sovietization and “returning to the roots and bonds”, caveman, small-town nationalism suited everyone who seized power in the former Union. This was beneficial to everyone who shared and raked in the legacy of the USSR.
      Just remember the snipers in Vilnius, Transnistria, the Georgian-Abkhaz war, the massacre in Baku, Chechnya, and finally the same war with Georgia.
      Until 2014, it could not have occurred to him.... That he...... was disingenuous! Or does he really live on another planet?!
      1. +3
        18 November 2023 12: 16
        Warehouse "manager" level......
    6. +5
      18 November 2023 02: 10
      because it can’t be, because someone doesn’t believe in it, you see.

      One person can always be wrong! All people have their own emotions and inadequate decisions, when a person believes or does not believe in something for some reason that goes back to personal characteristics!
      This is why democracy is needed - so that the country does not fall into the abyss due to the inevitable mistakes of one person.
      If everything depends on one person, then something like this will definitely happen. Not one mistake, but another, will lead to disaster, because there is no one to slow down and set limits.
      1. +6
        18 November 2023 08: 40
        Quote: Stinging_Nettle
        This is why democracy is needed - so that the country does not fall into the abyss due to the inevitable mistakes of one person.

        The power of the councils is needed. From the word - "Advice". Dictatorship of the proletariat. In common parlance - the majority (!) of working people, and not a plutocracy as it is now all over the world, including the Russian Federation.
        Plutocracy (ancient Greek πλοῦτος - wealth, κράτος - rule) is a political regime in which the decisions of government bodies are determined by the will of groups of rich people.

        And this “hired manager” at the head of the state is a clear confirmation of this.
      2. +5
        18 November 2023 10: 36

        One person can always be wrong!

        Actually, this is not just a person, not a blogger, but a whole president
        Russian Federation, commander-in-chief, head of the executive branch of the Russian Federation with the right to issue laws.
        A report and analysis from the FSB, GRU, and the Ministry of Internal Affairs are placed on his desk.
        V.V. Putin is a very influential and knowledgeable person; the word “didn’t know” does not apply to such powerful people.
        1. +4
          18 November 2023 12: 19
          Conclusion: the person is not suitable for the position he holds.
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  2. -19
    17 November 2023 20: 32
    It is a pity that the GDP did not know well what kind of people the current Ukrainians are. Although this is largely the fault of the special services.
    1. 0
      17 November 2023 20: 44
      For the sake of fairness, were “today’s Ukrainians” really given a choice? At least the south and east of Ukraine in 14-15 years chose the “Russian Spring”. In 22, especially after the “good wills”, the choice changed....
      1. +3
        17 November 2023 20: 49
        You had to think with your brains, not “choose”. So the Ukrainians “finished their choice” - where it’s more satisfying, and the horseradish is thicker, sorry for the rudeness. And so all their lives they “choose” who to settle down with, and who to screw with.
        1. 0
          17 November 2023 20: 56
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          And so all their lives they “choose” who to settle down with.

          There is always at least some choice, but at this time only to the front (voluntary and forced) and in the 200s.
        2. +12
          17 November 2023 20: 58
          Andrey Nikolaevich, what were you thinking when choosing Borka the drunk so many times? Or is it something else? When you were a drunk, at least they didn’t kill you for having a “wrong opinion.” This is me, for the sake of fairness.
          1. -1
            17 November 2023 21: 17
            Vladimir M, with all the shortcomings of the EBN, during his reign, people were not trained to kill another people, they did not jump and shout “Khokhlyak to Gilyak”, they did not instill in people hatred of other peoples, they did not betray the memory of their fathers and grandfathers - front-line soldiers, they betrayed Orthodoxy and did not demolish monuments. The Ukrainian people honestly earned their tears, blood and grief. I'm very sorry. But I DO NOT feel sorry for them. Bill (historical) - payable!
            1. Msi
              0
              17 November 2023 22: 37
              The Ukrainian people honestly earned their tears, blood and grief. I'm very sorry. But I DO NOT feel sorry for them. Bill (historical) - payable!

              Well said. I support.
            2. +2
              18 November 2023 10: 38
              with all the shortcomings of the EBN, during its time

              EBN started a war out of the blue.
          2. +5
            17 November 2023 22: 07
            Quote: Vladimir M
            What were you thinking when choosing Borka the drunk so many times?

            But who chose this drunk? The oligarchs chose, but the people were never asked.
            1. +1
              17 November 2023 23: 18
              Come on wink

              It does not contain useful information.
            2. +5
              18 November 2023 02: 13
              But who chose this drunk? The oligarchs chose, but the people were never asked.

              And Putin was chosen because Yeltsin appeared on TV and said to choose him.
          3. Msi
            +9
            17 November 2023 22: 38
            When you were a drunk, at least they didn’t kill you for having a “wrong opinion.”

            You don’t know the modern history of Russia well...Do you know the general Rokhlin?
          4. +12
            18 November 2023 00: 48
            Quote: Vladimir M
            When you were a drunk, at least they didn’t kill you for having a “wrong opinion.”

            The “White House” with executions at the stadium and at the entrances of Moscow in 1993, is this “different” in your opinion? wink
        3. 0
          17 November 2023 21: 31
          Not only throughout their lives, throughout their short history, pots have been chosen and are choosing whom to settle down with.
        4. +7
          17 November 2023 21: 53
          Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
          So the Ukrainians “finished their choice” - where it’s more satisfying, and the horseradish is thicker, sorry for the rudeness. And so all their lives they “choose” who to settle down with, and who to screw with.

          So, our horseradish is more filling and longer?
          1. Msi
            -6
            17 November 2023 23: 12
            So, our horseradish is more filling and longer?

            Isn't that right???? request
      2. +8
        17 November 2023 21: 21
        Quote: Vladimir M
        For the sake of fairness, were “today’s Ukrainians” really given a choice? At least the south and east of Ukraine in 14-15 years chose the “Russian Spring”. In 22, especially after the “good wills”, the choice changed....

        The choice then changed to “good will”. No one came out to meet with flowers in Kharkov and Nikolaev. That’s why I had to organize all these gestures
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        2. +7
          17 November 2023 21: 33
          So the fact of the matter is that in the 8 years since 14, those who celebrated the “Russian Spring” in 14-15 were slaughtered in Kharkov and Nikolaev. Or as it happened in 22 in Kherson - the Russian Guard came in and stood on the main square in the city center and did not go into the “gateways”. A crowd immediately formed with posters and chants against Russia. True, they were later identified - they were Ukrainian Armed Forces, SBU officers, former ATO officers and members of their families in disguise. And the locals were warned that if anyone marries Russia, they will cut off their apartments. In Crimea, this was not allowed, but in Kherson, the Russian Guard did not do its job and, it seems, had no intention of doing it. And who in their right mind would marry Russia under such conditions? Or like in the same Bucha, after “good will” they killed everyone who met Russian troops and scattered the corpses along the road and of course they blamed Russia for this, later leading them and showing them to delegations from Europe.
          1. +8
            17 November 2023 22: 20
            Quote: Vladimir M
            So the fact of the matter is that in the 8 years since 14, those who celebrated the “Russian Spring” in 14-15 were slaughtered in Kharkov and Nikolaev. Or as it happened in 22 in Kherson - the Russian Guard came in and stood on the main square in the city center and did not go into the “gateways”. A crowd immediately formed with posters and chants against Russia. True, they were later identified - they were Ukrainian Armed Forces, SBU officers, former ATO officers and members of their families in disguise. And the locals were warned that if anyone marries Russia, they will cut off their apartments. In Crimea, this was not allowed, but in Kherson, the Russian Guard did not do its job and, it seems, had no intention of doing it. And who in their right mind would marry Russia under such conditions? Or like in the same Bucha, after “good will” they killed everyone who met Russian troops and scattered the corpses along the road and of course they blamed Russia for this, later leading them and showing them to delegations from Europe.

            All these stories of yours are amazing, BUT (!) the majority of the population of Kherson did not leave the city, but remained in it, as if to be punished by the Nazis. And now all these Russians (and they really are Russians by blood) are fighting against Russia somewhere near Avdeevka. And this cannot be attributed to intimidation or shortcomings of the Russian Guard.
            1. Msi
              +3
              17 November 2023 22: 43
              the majority of the population of Kherson did not leave the city, but remained in it to be punished by the Nazis

              Like reprisals... Several hundred (at least) people went missing in Kherson after the arrival of the ASU.
              There are videos of arrests of residents who collaborated with the Russian army.
              1. +3
                17 November 2023 23: 08
                Quote from Msi
                the majority of the population of Kherson did not leave the city, but remained in it to be punished by the Nazis

                Like reprisals... Several hundred (at least) people went missing in Kherson after the arrival of the ASU.
                There are videos of arrests of residents who collaborated with the Russian army.

                To be honest, I would be surprised if this were not the case. However, the majority of the population remained in the city.
            2. +3
              17 November 2023 22: 44
              “The majority of the population of Kherson” simply did not dare to leave the city and move to the Russian-controlled territories, firstly, close relatives remained in the controlled territories of Ukraine and already knew what happened in the same Bucha, and secondly (I wrote about this) the population of Ukraine after all the “many moves” and “good wills” were considered by “Bandera” to be the lesser evil.
              1. 0
                17 November 2023 23: 07
                Quote: Vladimir M
                “The majority of the population of Kherson” simply did not dare to leave the city and move to the Russian-controlled territories, firstly, close relatives remained in the controlled territories of Ukraine and already knew what happened in the same Bucha, and secondly (I wrote about this) the population of Ukraine after all the “many moves” and “good wills” were considered by “Bandera” to be the lesser evil.

                Well, yes, hostages. Now it’s true that in addition to relatives, now they have all become hostages, but will a Russian person think about such trifles!?
                Or maybe, after living in Russia for half a year, the population of Kherson considered “Bandera” a lesser evil.
            3. +6
              18 November 2023 10: 48
              Most of the population of Kherson did not leave the city,

              This is how it has always been, the population of a million people cannot just pick up and leave the city, there were pro-Russian people there, the SBU did not bother with them, they simply cut them out, the rest have nowhere to go and they are fighting against the Russian Federation, alas. To prevent this from happening, it was necessary not to leave the Kharkovites to Bandera and expel the junta in 14. But we are now told that the guarantor did not understand, did not know, and in addition he was deceived.
              In fact, the guarantor was buying time for the oligarchs to evacuate capital, but he didn’t care about the Russians.
      3. +9
        17 November 2023 22: 14
        Quote: Vladimir M
        For the sake of fairness, were “today’s Ukrainians” really given a choice? At least the south and east of Ukraine in 14-15 years chose the “Russian Spring”. In 22, especially after the “good wills”, the choice changed....

        At that time, the “Russian Spring” had the ghostly veil of the “Soviet Spring”.
        The people secretly hoped, it scared the towers.
        That’s why the “northern wind” died down.

        Time has passed and now it has become obvious to everyone that there is no sign of a socialist component.
        And Russian capitalism and Ukrainian capitalism are twins. Siamese, spliced.
        The only motivation left among the people is national and linguistic.
        And it is necessary to take into account the national and linguistic composition of the population of the regions in the first place.
        1. +15
          17 November 2023 22: 51
          Until 2014, I did not believe in the possibility of an armed conflict with Ukraine

          Said by the one who had the ENTIRE STATE MACHINE at his disposal.... Well, that... Probably, they were “deceived” again..... Although, no, this is most likely another, brilliant HPP. Yes.
          1. -5
            18 November 2023 00: 53
            Well, it was necessary to start SVO in any case. After all, a little more and NATO would have been here, essentially in our backyard. I think we made a mistake in those days when the Balts wanted to join NATO, we had to give them an ultimatum, like this: either you abandon NATO or we send in troops.
            By the way, it is not too late to declare that all countries bordering us will receive SVO if they want to join NATO. And negotiations with Ukraine must be conducted when the entire left bank and the Odessa and Nikolaev regions are ours, and peace will only be achieved when the right bank remnants of Ukraine renounce NATO and declare neutrality.
            1. +2
              18 November 2023 08: 03
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              Well, it was necessary to start SVO in any case. After all, a little more and NATO would have been here, essentially in our backyard. I think we made a mistake in those days when the Balts wanted to join NATO, we had to give them an ultimatum, like this: either you abandon NATO or we send in troops.
              By the way, it is not too late to declare that all countries bordering us will receive SVO if they want to join NATO. And negotiations with Ukraine must be conducted when the entire left bank and the Odessa and Nikolaev regions are ours, and peace will only be achieved when the right bank remnants of Ukraine renounce NATO and declare neutrality.

              So NATO is already in our backyard in Finland.
              1. 0
                18 November 2023 12: 13
                It’s unfortunate, of course, but when Putin started the North Military District, the Finns were neutrals. In any case, from Finland to Moscow 810 km, and from Ukraine to Moscow 460. NATO in Ukraine is much more dangerous for us than NATO in Finland.
                We need neutral states like air along the perimeter of our borders, as a kind of buffer.
  3. +13
    17 November 2023 20: 33
    I believed, I didn’t believe... now we need to do what we should, we only need VICTORY, there is no other way out!
    1. 0
      18 November 2023 10: 53
      Believed, didn't believe

      Some gave up on such power and relocated to Argentina.
  4. +5
    17 November 2023 20: 35
    The activities of people should be assessed not by what they say, but by what they do, the Russian leader emphasized.

    Everything is right as in the Bible, “Judge them according to their deeds.”
  5. +11
    17 November 2023 20: 37
    It's too late to think about it, unfortunately...
    Now, normal people cannot wish defeat for their country...
    It is a fact hi
    1. +4
      17 November 2023 21: 39
      But why? It’s better to start thinking later than never. Although, of course, sooner is better than later.
    2. -4
      17 November 2023 22: 23
      Quote: Rage66
      It's too late to think about it, unfortunately...
      Now, normal people cannot wish defeat for their country...
      It is a fact hi

      You shouldn't be so categorical. There was Willy Brand, who not only made defeats for his homeland in the war, but also fought against it with arms in hand.
    3. +5
      18 November 2023 02: 19
      Now, normal people cannot wish defeat for their country...
      It is a fact

      Right. Can normal people desire Kadyrov’s supremacy, Jewish pogroms, and deprivation of women’s rights?
  6. +13
    17 November 2023 20: 40
    He didn't believe it. The head of state must have the ability to calculate different scenarios for the development of events and have a plan for each of them, even the worst and most incredible! If you haven’t figured it out yourself, then you should have smart advisers around you, not agreeable ones! In general, I DO NOT BELIEVE in his artistic naivety! How do they say everything is going according to plan?
    1. +2
      18 November 2023 12: 37
      He lies skillfully...The entire history of government confirms this. And now I have “bought” students, almost “bought” pensioners, most of them have “bought”, the army is “under control”, civil servants are under the sword of dismissal at the command of their boss and that’s all. The next deadline is in your pocket. And another 6 years of the oligarchic-capitalist path lie ahead. "Every nation deserves its own ruler"
  7. +24
    17 November 2023 20: 50
    The head of an enterprise, and especially a state, should not play daisy. He must carry out his policies and evaluate the results and make adjustments based on the evaluation results. Then the need to believe/don’t believe will disappear
    1. 0
      18 November 2023 10: 58
      Then the need to believe/don’t believe will disappear

      In the states, such a confession would lead to impeachment, but since we have a different structure. The authorities of the Russian Federation can cause damage to the country and say that they do not believe it and at the same time win the elections for this and the next term.
  8. +8
    17 November 2023 20: 51
    IMHO, it was clear to some that something would happen.
    The communists clearly write in their textbooks: imperialism is war (in short). And there are plenty of examples in the world of clashes after the collapse of empires....
    Remember: 2 Chechens, South Ossetia, 2 Karabakh, Abkhazia, and clashes among Central Asians....
    Even Chechnya, albeit recently, managed to “annex” oil-bearing land from its neighbor... because she essentially has her own armed forces, but her neighbor does not....
    And like, it never occurred to you?
    When someone confidently, right before our eyes, annexes 1 part of Ukraine, and breaks off, but does not annex 2 more? (shooters, of course, with professional volunteers and PMCs) - classic “no man’s unrecognized lands” are confidently being formed.
    Oh, probably not. The famous HPP was already extolled on the Internet...

    Well, and a sharp shift in the information agenda from “friendship of peoples” to “who owes whom how much for pumping through the pipe”
  9. -1
    17 November 2023 21: 00
    In 13-14 years, many of us shouted - calm down, you don’t understand what you’re doing!
    They laughed at us - we are creating a great outlying empire that will rule the world. For we are the smartest, the most noble and the most beautiful.
    We told them, there were already people who said so.
    But they objected - they were fools, but we are the smartest. We can do this. And even the Polish gentlemen, the owners of the estates, as well as the Jews who manage the estates, recognize us, slaves, as equals. No. They recognize us as more than just equals. Equal to the French, and then to the British themselves. The whole world recognizes that we are Sumerians, from whom Buddha and Jehovah descended.
    We were quietly freaking out. We didn't believe that this was possible.
    The outskirts have proven that they can make the impossible possible.
    Even the least bit reluctant to die for the sake of nonsense. These will.
    Perseverance is worthy of respect. Is it worth preventing the Okrans from dying for nothing?
    Will the planet eventually become a little cleaner?
  10. +7
    17 November 2023 21: 03
    It’s bad when the names of these smart people are not mentioned. And what kind of smart people are we talking about, about smart people in Ukraine before 2014 or about smart and talented people in Russia before 2014? So in Ukraine, the follower of the destruction of the USSR Kravchuk was smart and talented, then his talented heirs Kuchma, Yushchenko, Tymoshenko and the talented sitter on two chairs Yanukovych. And since the talented people in Russia until 2014 were not specifically named by the sovereign either, then we can include Serdyukov, Chubais, etc. among them, after all, they were not fools to create headaches for themselves, saying that Banderaism has flourished in Ukraine and smells of war And since Zyuganov’s party members sang about the friendship of peoples before and after 2014, there’s nothing to say about that. By the way, friends of Russia, even after 2014, from their intelligence and talent of fidgeting on two chairs, Crimea was not recognized as part of Russia, although Russia, led by Putin, saved the “father” during the state’s attempt. coup. And how smart and talented they were then, if they didn’t understand what was threatening Russia. For example, what is the talent of Serdyukov, Chubais, Medvedev?
  11. +11
    17 November 2023 21: 08
    Yes, already since 1991, with the revival of Bandera in Ukraine, it became clear that war between Russia and Ukraine could not be avoided.

    Only a very, very stupid person could fail to notice the active penetration of Nazism into all spheres of Ukrainian society over the past 30 years, long before the Maidan and before 2014.
    1. -3
      17 November 2023 21: 11
      People are divided into two unequal groups. Those who were horrified by it and those who welcomed it.
      Determine the nationality of the first and second.
  12. +3
    17 November 2023 21: 12
    Everything was leading up to this. And we are simply NA-DU-LI.
    1. +12
      17 November 2023 22: 18
      Listening to the revelations of the President of the Russian Federation about how everyone around him is cheating and deceiving him - Merkel, Hollande, NATO, the EU, the USA, you begin to really fear for the country headed by such a simpleton...
    2. +4
      18 November 2023 11: 01
      And we are simply NA-DU-LI

      No one asks us, we are presented with a fact. The bourgeoisie sold us and the country for their yacht estates.
  13. +13
    17 November 2023 21: 13
    And this is bad, very bad. They screwed up the ukra themselves. There, brainwashing did not happen overnight. And if we add smoke from conspiracy theories, we can even assume that they actually wanted to make her a battering ram in the future. Which is exactly what we are seeing now.
    In general, from personal experience, I even know such people, it happened twice. Some people, or societies, are sometimes so afraid of the future, they are so afraid to admit something to themselves that they are ready to believe in deception, or they invent it for themselves. It’s easier this way, by deceiving yourself you can paint yourself an ideal future where it’s always nice and cozy.
    Now let me return to two cases from personal experience. Once we had a heart-to-heart conversation with a work colleague, well, he opened up and told a sad story in which he realized that his wife had a lover and he even knew who he was. At first I hesitated and didn’t know how to react so as not to hurt his feelings, but then I asked him a question: do you want to break up with her? His answer shocked me: “no,” he said. But why, doesn't it offend your feelings? “Yes,” he answered, but I’m even more scared of what will happen to me next. I’m used to it and know in advance what will happen tomorrow, but the unknown scares me and how to live with it further.
    That is, in essence, the person was ready to deceive himself by pretending not to notice anything.
    This is sad even in the quality of one case. But when they lie to themselves at the risk of their own people, it is exponentially sad.
    1. +2
      18 November 2023 11: 05
      They screwed up the ukra themselves

      We don't have the authority to make decisions. For the oligarchs, petrodollars are “mine,” and loss means “we.”
  14. -3
    17 November 2023 21: 20
    Somewhere in 8 or 9, a psychic told me that there would be a war in Ukraine. Of course, I didn’t want to believe it, but she was never wrong.
  15. -5
    17 November 2023 21: 23
    The Great Patriotic War. General Pavlov. Last conversation with Zhukov
    I also didn’t believe that Hitler was attacking

    "Purgatory" 1997 conversation between a militant (Nagiyev) and a tanker

  16. +2
    17 November 2023 21: 31
    "...He believed when he put his fingers into his wounds..."
  17. +12
    17 November 2023 21: 37
    After Maidan 2004, after Georgia 2008, after a series of color revolutions with bloody coups, our President declares -
    Until 2014, it never occurred to me that there could be such a conflict between Russia and Ukraine
    , and what came to mind - Humanity (Khodarkovsky), International Law (Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq), fraternal peoples (Ukraine), Faith in Western partners (Merkel and 8 years of deception with the Minsk agreements). In general, who said “kill terrorists in the toilet”, or is it another person? In general, I used to think that former intelligence officers are a little paranoid, and always prepare for the worst scenario. It looks like I was wrong, everything suggests that our politicians live in some kind of world of pink ponies. We will have to upset Vladimir Vladimirovich, inform him that there is no Santa Claus.
  18. +5
    17 November 2023 21: 39
    Didn’t believe it before 2014? In 1996, it was obvious to me that the pots were heading towards war with Russia! And for this you didn’t need a bunch of special services; it was enough to listen to the students from the ruins.
    1. -3
      17 November 2023 22: 22
      Quote: KLM77
      did you believe? In 1996, it was obvious to me that the pots were heading towards war with Russia! AND

      Wow! In the same year, a classmate from Crimea came galloping up: “Vovan, they sell houses there for 7-8 million. Rubles.
  19. +5
    17 November 2023 21: 41
    Until 2014, it never occurred to me that there could be such a conflict between Russia and Ukraine

    It was he who simply did not go to occupied Crimea.
    I visited there once in the nineties, after that all the questions about impossibilities gone.
    It seemed to me then that our children would have to sort out this crap, in fact, taking into account their age, and so it turned out...
  20. +16
    17 November 2023 21: 45
    Whether he believed it or not. But 2014 is the result of his failed foreign policy, useless billions invested, and his pissing behavior in 2014, when the east of Ukraine could have been taken without a fight. There would not be hundreds of thousands killed on both sides now. The general trend is the loss of the entire post-Soviet space, only Belarus remains.
    1. +5
      18 November 2023 11: 14
      Whether he believed it or not. But 2014 is the result of his failed foreign policy, wasted billions, and his prickly behavior in 2014

      Just now, on the eve of the elections, the guarantor is sending positive messages, the previous confession about “I was deceived” by the PR service was recognized as an unsuccessful confession, so he developed a new image saying, “I’m not me and the horse is not mine.”
      Although, in principle, it doesn’t matter what the reason was for deception or lack of faith in Bandera, for this you have to voluntarily retire.
  21. -3
    17 November 2023 21: 47
    There is currently a conflict with European elites.

    Do we need this?
  22. +2
    17 November 2023 21: 53
    Again the weak babble of justification for the deceived President Putin.

    What comes to his mind now? And who are his experts and advisers now?

    The people are waiting for the real end to the Judeo-junta in Kyiv.
    He is waiting for a real answer, first of all, from President Putin.
    Waiting for decisive action without regard to “partners”.
    1. +1
      17 November 2023 22: 26
      In any case, one person is responsible for everything that happens in the country - the head of state. I really hope that GDP doesn't always tell the whole story. Sometimes you can't tell people the truth. But what matters is the end result. Whether the politician lied or not is not important. What matters is the result.
      1. +3
        17 November 2023 23: 44
        Putin said a lot of things this time.

        Is he looking for new partners or sending signs to old ones?

        LGBT representatives are also part of society and have the right to win competitions in the field of culture, Russian President Vladimir Putin said at a plenary session of the St. Petersburg International Cultural Forum.

        According to him, at various cultural competitions in Western countries, in order to win, you need to either tell or show something from the life of sexual minorities, “transgenders and... some other transformers - many different names.”

        “But here's what I would like to say. I'll tell you something unexpected. And they too - these topics and these people - have the right to win, show, tell, because this is also part of society. This is also what people live by. It’s bad if they only win all sorts of competitions, that’s of no use,” Putin said.

        The President added that “equality should be everywhere, in everything, including in competitions in the field of culture.”

        Earlier on November 17, the Ministry of Justice filed an administrative claim to recognize the “international LGBT social movement” as extremist and to ban its activities in Russia. The lawsuit will be heard on November 30 in the Supreme Court.

        So what should Russians expect from Putin now?
  23. +18
    17 November 2023 21: 56
    That is, the president declares that the special services and analytical departments created under his leadership are absolutely unsuitable for professionalism?
    1. +16
      17 November 2023 22: 14
      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
      That is, the president declares that the special services and analytical departments created under his leadership are absolutely unsuitable for professionalism?

      That's not even bad. The bad thing is that EVEN NOW he doesn’t understand how much... I don’t even know how to say it. Stupid? Unforgivable? Absurd? his words sound
    2. +2
      18 November 2023 11: 19
      analytical departments are absolutely unsuitable for professionalism

      By the way, I would like to demand documents from the archive to make sure what is there, but we are dumb, we cannot ask Putin a question, all questions and answers come only from top to bottom.
  24. +11
    17 November 2023 22: 03
    As the head of the Russian state noted, until 2014, a large number of smart and talented people simply went about their business

    Alas, not a single one of them was in the Russian government.
  25. +4
    17 November 2023 22: 13
    Sometime in 2007 I bought a small book by A.B. Shirokorada under the then intriguing title - “Russia and Ukraine. When the guns start talking...” At that time, even the title of the book sounded like something fantastic. However, after reading it, I no longer considered its content as fantasy, which is fashionable today. The author examined his disappointing analysis of relations between post-Soviet Ukraine and Russia quite objectively, based on facts, both historical and facts of relations between countries after 1991. At the end of the book, the author describes a possible, in his opinion, military clash between Russia and Ukraine in Crimea. In general, he turned out to be right. The only difference was that in Crimea the guns didn’t start talking, they started talking later, but they did talk. The question is that Shirokorad is still a writer who, based on his analysis, came to the correct conclusion back in 2007, but what did our intelligence analysts and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, who have much more information from all spheres of life and government in Ukraine, do? Did they draw conclusions about the possibility of an imminent military conflict with Ukraine? Did they report their findings to the president, or were they not listened to? Today we will not know this, but if the country’s leadership had understood in time what was going on in Ukraine and how it would affect Russia, then today, perhaps, of course, the guns would either have died down or would have thundered differently. However, we have what we have. In any case, our cause is just, victory will be ours.
  26. +11
    17 November 2023 22: 24
    “The President of Russia said that until 2014 he did not believe in the possibility of an armed conflict with Ukraine!

    To be honest, it was strange for me to hear this from the president of the country. And who, one might ask, was supposed to believe!? First names, last names?.. Perhaps engineers, milling operators, reindeer herders should have?
    I noticed long ago, when speaking to the public, he treats people as complete fools. We all know that in our country, as in all countries of the world, intelligence works 24/7 and it could not hide from the head of state what was going on in the neighboring country, who was preparing it and for what. The beginning of the SVO showed that everyone and everything slept well. And the military registration and enlistment offices continued to sleep for several more months...
    It is, of course, clear that the country was not ready, but it was necessary to start immediately. But to say that you didn’t believe it when the West has been openly saying for the last thirty years where and what it saw Russia as - well, I don’t know..
    I recently read a statement from an old woman who survived Auschwitz: “Remember forever, if someone, somewhere promises to kill you, believe them. Don’t argue (that) their policy is this, and they themselves are good and nice people, that "They're just saying that. When they move from words to deeds, it will be too late. Believe those who promise to kill you."
    1. +3
      18 November 2023 11: 27


      At 14, there was information that a banker from Switzerland came to the Kremlin and showed accounts with the amounts and names of the oligarchs, from that moment the “Russian Spring” was lost.
      Yata, then Abramovich has one, and the women are still giving birth.

      What do you want if the elite of the Russian Federation lives and stores their fortunes in NATO countries. This elite can be blackmailed, which is what happened. It’s just a shame to say these strange statements from here, either “deceived” or “didn’t believe.”
  27. +6
    17 November 2023 22: 29
    Until 2014, it never occurred to me that there could be such a conflict between Russia and Ukraine

    This resulted in rivers of blood for us...
    1. +4
      18 November 2023 02: 54
      This resulted in rivers of blood for us...

      To "us"? The children and grandchildren of officials and oligarchs are alive and well. This means that from their point of view, everything is in order, everything is going according to plan.
      1. +2
        18 November 2023 20: 03
        We are not the children and grandchildren of officials. We are not them. Officials live on another planet, and we are here...
  28. -5
    17 November 2023 22: 29
    There was a radio interview with some first minister of defense of independent Ukraine.
    Corr. asked what you would do in case of war with Russia. I was shocked by the impudence of the journalist and the stupidity of the question. I don’t remember what the minister answered, but I remember exactly what he would have said in his place, instantly without thinking: “They shot themselves!”
    I have the honor!
  29. -8
    17 November 2023 22: 33
    I have to say
    So, there are many people of the older 60+ generation who still don’t believe
    into what is happening and consider the SVO to be an erroneous one, in their opinion everything would have settled down
    an agreement with the leaders of the Banderreich and their master, the Yankees?
    It seems to me that the biggest mistakes were made by our leaders, Stalin, Khrushchev,
    e bn, who went for greater independence and independence from Russia, which
    and served as a catalyst for the formation of Bandera-Nazi ideology,
    the sprouts of which ripened back in the Middle Ages.
    Even in history before the 1654th century and after XNUMX, the outskirts showed themselves
    to put it mildly, an unreliable ally.
  30. -2
    17 November 2023 22: 36
    Ze vzdáleného pohledu od nás má Putin správné názory. Vím, že iu vás jsou problem s Oligarchy av něčem s Putinem nesouhlasíte, ve skutečnosti si myslím, že je to nejlepší vládce na světě ze všech států.
    1. -9
      17 November 2023 22: 36
      From a distant point of view, Putin has the right views. I know that you also have problems with the Oligarchs and you disagree with Putin in some ways, in fact, I consider him the best ruler in the world of all states.
      1. 0
        18 November 2023 01: 23
        Beru na vědomí vaše hodnocení, vím že vy máte pravdu.
        1. 0
          18 November 2023 01: 23
          I take note of your assessment, I know that you are right.
  31. +3
    17 November 2023 22: 39
    People say simplicity is worse than theft, and this is the result.
  32. +8
    17 November 2023 22: 54
    Our chief of AK aviation himself is from Ukraine; when he retired at the end of 92, he said in a toast, “I hope that Ukraine will never fight with Russia.”
    That is, then something already forced him to “hope” only, and not to be so sure of it that the very thought of such a toast would be incredible.
    But our ostriches didn’t understand everything even in 15; they didn’t want to see the obvious. A child's way to solve a problem: close your eyes - no problem!
  33. -5
    17 November 2023 23: 06
    Quote: Theseus
    Sometime in 2007 I bought a small book by A.B. Shirokorada under the then intriguing title - “Russia and Ukraine. When the guns start talking...” At that time, even the title of the book sounded like something fantastic. However, after reading it, I no longer considered its content as fantasy, which is fashionable today. The author examined his disappointing analysis of relations between post-Soviet Ukraine and Russia quite objectively, based on facts, both historical and facts of relations between countries after 1991. At the end of the book, the author describes a possible, in his opinion, military clash between Russia and Ukraine in Crimea. In general, he turned out to be right. The only difference was that in Crimea the guns didn’t start talking, they started talking later, but they did talk. The question is that Shirokorad is still a writer who, based on his analysis, came to the correct conclusion back in 2007, but what did our intelligence analysts and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, who have much more information from all spheres of life and government in Ukraine, do? Did they draw conclusions about the possibility of an imminent military conflict with Ukraine? Did they report their findings to the president, or were they not listened to? Today we will not know this, but if the country’s leadership had understood in time what was going on in Ukraine and how it would affect Russia, then today, perhaps, of course, the guns would either have died down or would have thundered differently. However, we have what we have. In any case, our cause is just, victory will be ours.

    Uv. Theseus,
    I’ll try to convey my vision to yours:
    1.all services of the Russian Federation were working, reports were received
    according to the Charter and instructions, reports reached the highest level in several
    embellished form, and the top leaders themselves tried not to make waves,
    and they decided, as it seemed to them, all the difficult issues at the negotiating table and a glass of tea.
    2. Remember the end of the 90s in the Russian Federation, the dominance of the Yankees in the government, the filthy media fed by Soros and the company, which had the goal of breaking the successor of the USSR into small ones
    fragments, Putin's speech in 2007. at the annual conference on security in Geyrope
    only spurred the pseudo-West to increase pressure on Russia, 2008 with Georgia,
    Abkhazia and South Ossetia brought conclusions, but the majority of liberals in the Kremlin and government
    They were a thorn in the country and pushed more often the interests of the West than the national ones.
    3. Until 2014 and a little after the Russian Federation was too weak to fight as it is now
    with all the world's evil; default of the Chernomyrdin government in 1998, global
    economic crises of 2008-2010, 2014-2015.
    4. Latest attempts to negotiate peacefully with the pseudo-West in 2021, when illusions
    not left.
    5. The Kremlin’s difficult decision, when once again it was said about a united people,
    caught in the bondage of world evil.
    Indeed, half of the Russians retained family and other ties with
    once a fraternal republic, which is why it is so difficult for the Northern Military District to advance.
    It's up to us to draw conclusions.
    1. +4
      18 November 2023 11: 45
      Until 2014 and a little after the Russian Federation was too weak to fight as it is now

      This is a complete lie. This is not a weak assessment, they believe the balance of forces, after the Maidan in Ukraine there was no actual government, no administration, no army, the Russian Federation at the time of 14 was simply a titanium; they would have been easily crushed.
      1. 0
        18 November 2023 11: 52
        Quote: nickname7
        after the Maidan, in Ukraine there was no actual government, no administration, no army; the Russian Federation at the time of 14 was simply a titanium; they would have been easily crushed

        It's funny. So you think that the “collective West” would simply stand on the sidelines and look at all this? Does the name Burkhalter mean anything to you, by any chance?
  34. +1
    17 November 2023 23: 34
    Unfortunately, we, i.e. The Russian Federation believed too early that the Cold War was over. And the states took advantage of this.

    It’s very disappointing that we can’t repay them now, i.e. states, in the same coin.
    1. +1
      17 November 2023 23: 58
      Quote: _KM_
      Unfortunately, we, i.e. The Russian Federation believed too early that the Cold War was over. And the states took advantage of this.

      It’s very disappointing that we can’t repay them now, i.e. states, in the same coin.

      So in the 90s the Cold War really ended. The Soviet system was overthrown, and the Russian Federation became a poor capitalist country without any special ambitions.
      1. 0
        17 November 2023 23: 59
        Unfortunately, we were the only ones who thought so. The States thought that this was not enough.
        1. +3
          18 November 2023 00: 03
          Quote: _KM_
          Unfortunately, we were the only ones who thought so. The States thought that this was not enough.

          Not at all. This was enough for the States, but then, against the backdrop of high oil prices, Russia became rich, and with the wealth came ambitions.
          1. 0
            18 November 2023 00: 25
            ... and we considered ourselves an independent state? Maybe.
          2. +3
            18 November 2023 11: 49
            Along with wealth comes ambition

            This is a lie, the goal of the elites of the Russian Federation is to sell raw materials and export profits, there were no more ambitions, but NATO was creeping up and expanding, beginning to threaten the feeding zone.
  35. +6
    17 November 2023 23: 45
    We still need to look for more incompetent politicians....
    It took a lot of effort to break economic and military-political ties with most of the former Soviet republics and get involved in a war with their closest neighbor...
    1. -1
      18 November 2023 00: 02
      Our politicians alone should not be blamed for the destruction of ties.
  36. -3
    18 November 2023 00: 20
    There is no need to relax. The next one will most likely be Poland
    1. -3
      18 November 2023 00: 26
      Most likely Poland and the Baltic states.
      1. +1
        18 November 2023 01: 12
        It’s too late to fight the Balts; they are in NATO. Or do you want to test their determination to apply Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty? What if they don’t “screw you”, but use it, and what happens, they are 10 times stronger.
    2. -3
      18 November 2023 02: 04
      I think within 5 years it will start with NATO in the Baltic countries, Poland and Finland. They are the ones who have the most territorial claims against Russia
      1. 0
        18 November 2023 09: 06
        A war with NATO will definitely involve the use of at least tactical nuclear weapons, but otherwise, there are a billion of them, there are 140 million of us. We cannot defeat them with Kalash and tanks at the ready.
  37. +3
    18 November 2023 01: 19
    “Believe it or not believe it” – it doesn’t matter anymore. Now - what's the plan? Has anyone seen him? We go with the flow wherever it takes us. As always, "maybe"? SVO status is not enough, this is obvious. Negotiations will lead to even greater isolation, are we ready?
  38. 0
    18 November 2023 01: 58
    Yeah, it’s not the Gods who burn the pots...
  39. +5
    18 November 2023 02: 59
    This is populism. He knew everything, but in the current state, questions about the growth of well-being and the real change of power have now disappeared for a long time. In conditions of peaceful life, it is difficult to explain to the people that one clan has been in power for such a long time, which is not justified by development and progress corresponding to the pace of the modern world, but now all this is easily explained. The main thing now is that the refrigerator is in the background. I think this will at least continue until the natural demise of the “top of the Kremlin pyramid.”
  40. 0
    18 November 2023 03: 19
    But the point of no return, apparently, was passed much earlier, after the collapse of the USSR, but long before the Maidan. If you look in retrospect, things have been heading toward actual confrontation with NATO for a long time.
  41. +8
    18 November 2023 03: 38
    The Russian President said that until 2014 he did not believe in the possibility of an armed conflict with Ukraine

    Mmm-yes... . And who runs the country called Russia? In any case, this “kitchen” answer gives rise to such a simple question.. Like two women are sitting in the kitchen, one says to the other: “But I didn’t believe that yours would leave for another...” This is about this level. And then the question is - what did your special services, Citizen President, do? If you did, then the question is for you and your Security Council - how did you and this one, if I may say so, evaluate the incoming information? Either she didn’t apply, or she wasn’t evaluated? Ah-ah-ah, probably dollars for gas and oil were counted, and how to invest more Russian money in American candy wrappers called securities. This is an oxymoron, when the first person carries such a blizzard, he apparently relaxed so much with the reindeer herder in the Altai mountains in previous years that he either lost his political instinct, or, as always, they were the wrong ones, and they reported and reported in the wrong way, and the last option - the citizen turned on .. . . But what he included, let everyone decide for themselves. sad
  42. -1
    18 November 2023 06: 58
    Didn't believe it? Where did the OUN members and SS legionnaires come from in WWII? Where do the current national battalions come from?
    1. -1
      18 November 2023 08: 05
      Quote: Yuras_Belarus
      Didn't believe it? Where did the OUN members and SS legionnaires come from in WWII? Where do the current national battalions come from?

      That's where ROA came from.
      1. +1
        18 November 2023 11: 05
        The ROA did not butt heads with the UPA, but worked for the same master. And my questions are not about betrayal, but about the very fact that some Ukrainians have long fallen into the abyss of another fascism. And once the “brown plague” appears somewhere, it can only infect a nation with war.
  43. +5
    18 November 2023 07: 19
    Quote from Orange Bigg
    enter into such a large-scale armed conflict.

    But we didn’t even think about it until last year! We “thought” of winning a short-term military action. We brought in battalion groups. Almost a police operation—“demiratarization and denazification.” recourse request
  44. +5
    18 November 2023 07: 37
    Quote: Jodesen
    , but now all this is easily interpreted. The main thing now is that the refrigerator is in the background.

    This is what they think. This propaganda has not reached many people for a long time. But filling the refrigerator is already overwhelming the thoughts of many. Money is getting cheaper. hi
  45. +4
    18 November 2023 07: 55
    On the one hand, let’s say Biden is talking such nonsense, complete nonsense... on the other hand, I couldn’t imagine the naivety of GDP, the partners cheated me again... what
    1. +1
      18 November 2023 11: 55
      Biden talks such nonsense, nonsense

      Biden strictly adheres to the theme of the uniqueness of the nation and does not hesitate to call Xi Jin Ping a dictator immediately after negotiations with the latter.
  46. -1
    18 November 2023 08: 41
    The head of state must always keep in mind all possible plans, including military ones. Sometimes we are amazed by the naivety of our leader and the belief that the West wanted to make a new Japan out of Ukraine
    1. +3
      18 November 2023 12: 01
      The next phrase after “I didn’t believe” should be “I’m tired, I’m leaving.” Otherwise, it may happen that the president will not believe in the existence of the red button and will not press it if necessary.
  47. +6
    18 November 2023 09: 27
    The late Yu.M. Luzhkov warned about this back in the early 2000s, when he helped build housing in Sevastopol for our sailors. The current deputy also warned about the inevitable clash between Russia and Ukraine if our state’s policy towards its neighbor is indifferent State Duma of the Russian Federation K. Zatulin. But none of the current authorities wanted to listen to them. And now they turn on the “fool,” like we didn’t know, we couldn’t think.
  48. Qas
    +3
    18 November 2023 09: 33
    those. The leadership of the operational services of the Russian Federation (FSB, SVR, GRU, etc.) did not have operational information about what was being prepared at the border of the Russian Federation. Right? Is this how it can be understood? Or did they hide it and not report it to the authorities?
  49. +2
    18 November 2023 10: 59
    Until 2014, I did not believe in the possibility of an armed conflict with Ukraine

    And then I believed it, but it didn’t help... I sent paratroopers to the military base...
  50. +5
    18 November 2023 11: 12
    The problem of the degeneration of elites is the greatest in the “civilized world”; we, copyists, have not escaped this. Decisions are made secretly and in a narrow circle.
    The All-Belarusian People's Assembly makes decisions on approval:
    • the main directions of domestic and foreign policy (in the Russian Federation - the State Council, formed by the president, is enshrined in the latest amendments to the constitution, which contradict its 3rd article);
    • programs for the socio-economic development of the Republic of Belarus.
    Belarusians have a social mechanism that preserves the quality of the elites, but we do not.
  51. +3
    18 November 2023 13: 46
    Quote: Fan-Fan
    It's too late to fight the Balts

    The question is not that we want to fight with them, but that they are being set against Russia. In principle, as has already been written, the naval blockade that the Baltic countries are threatening to impose is in itself an act of military aggression.
  52. +3
    18 November 2023 15: 01
    Well.. we are lucky - Putin will surprise Russian citizens more than once.
    For this, GDP has everything (especially its team).
  53. 0
    18 November 2023 20: 09
    Until 2014, it never occurred to me that there could be such a conflict between Russia and Ukraine

    - noted the President of Russia.

    In general, some neighbor in the garage, Uncle Vasya, could have said so. Or Petya. The President should not take the fate of millions of people so lightly. Citizen of his country. Having different special services, intelligence, analysts and so on...
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  55. +2
    19 November 2023 03: 31
    Soooo they deceived the poor guy again. It's disgusting to even read.