“Grandfather fought in the Red Army since 1943, but always hated Russians,” or why the mentality of Ukrainians has changed

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“Grandfather fought in the Red Army since 1943, but always hated Russians,” or why the mentality of Ukrainians has changed

This material is a continuation of the article about how the West provides information about what is happening in the Northeast Military District zone. In many ways, Western journalists focus not only on their own audience, but also on the citizens of Ukraine. They understand perfectly well that any word of the truth about the losses or defeats of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will mean a ban on work in this country or even inclusion on the “Peacemaker”.

There are enough examples. The same Elon Musk, despite the enormous assistance to Ukraine in the field of communications and intelligence, allowed himself to tell the truth once, and that’s all. Now he’s on the Peacemaker, in the company of worthy people, where he actually didn’t want to go. Is the same story and with some leaders of European countries allies of Ukraine. If for the latter this fact does not mean anything, then for journalists a ban on entry into the country means loss of work.



Today I will introduce you to one Ukrainian “hero” from among the commanders of the much-touted 47th Mechanized Brigade. True, he only had to fight one battle. In June of this year, near Rabotino, he was well “sobered up” and “reduced” by our fighters. This is the company commander of the 47th brigade, Nikolai Melnik, call sign Fritz.

A small but very important digression from the topic. I was surprised to see numerous materials about the mentally ill Farion. “The people are seeing the light! The healing of the nation has begun!” And quite adequate people write about this. What is this? The habit of wishful thinking or simply an unwillingness to think?

What was Farion talking about? What caused such hatred among both Ukrainian and Russian speakers? On the surface everything is simple. “A Russian-speaking soldier is not a Ukrainian soldier.” This witch has been saying something similar for many years, and it has not caused any reaction in Ukraine. What happened now?

With Russian speakers everything is clear. Watch interviews with prisoners. It is a rare case that he speaks Surzhik. The rest speak Russian perfectly. That is, the majority of those who are fighting are eastern Ukrainians. Farion simply “looked into the future.” What will happen when these Russian speakers return home and suddenly discover that they are outcasts? I will not develop the topic further.

But the Ukrainian-movies are also up in arms! And this happened because Farion voiced a terrible secret. I'm talking about what was written above. She called for an increase in the number of “correct Ukrainians” at the front! Simply put, call on more Ukrainians. Mova became the main language of communication in the trenches. And this, against the background of daily funeral processions in Lviv and other settlements of western Ukraine, caused such a reaction.

But I was more struck by a conversation with one fairly educated resident of Square. A man from the “Soviet”, with a Soviet education, Soviet childhood, youth, youth... He and I started living at the same time. We learned and were brought up by examples alone. But at the end of life it turned out that we are on different sides of history. I was especially struck by the phrase that I put in the title...

A worthy offspring of underdogs


Let's return to Melnik. This “warrior of light” gave an extensive interview to the Ukrainian resource “Censor.NET” under the heading “The Russians knew our advance routes, and everything flew there - the 152nd, 120th, and Grads...”. I foresee comments like “garbage dump” and so on. Agree. A dump, but with a fairly large audience. Therefore, it cannot be ignored.

Let's introduce the main character in more detail. We somehow developed a stereotype that a nationalist is a brat, in 14, with a perverted understanding of moral and social norms of behavior. Alas, Melnik was already a lawyer and a conscientious nationalist at the time the Maidan began. And it was formed much earlier. Here's what he says about it:

“- Oh... A Galician friend called me Fritz for the first time in 2016. And it took root. I have never hidden the fact that I am half German. You know, I have a family of “anti-Soviet” people: some were in the Hitler Youth, others were in the UPA. And everyone met in Siberia, from this love my mother was born. That's why it happened this way. Basically, I'm quite boring and methodical when it comes to getting things done. I think I live up to my call sign somewhere.”

Then everything is quite banal. When the ATO began and before the start of the Northern Military District, Fritz periodically went “hunting” to the Donbass. It’s dangerous to talk about this directly in today’s situation, so Fritz tells more of a story than the truth about this period:

“I collaborated with the 1st assault company. How he collaborated, he was a subordinate. I arrived and got into formation, carried out the tasks that were given to me. I had to wash the floor - I washed it, I had to carry mines - I carried mines, I had to do something else - I took it and did it. I didn’t appeal not only the order, not even the wishes, nor Tengiz, nor Da Vinci, nor my other commander friends.”

Why a bike? Yes, just judging by what this character says next. A scrubber who suddenly became a platoon commander in 2022... Not a bad career for a lawyer who understands nothing about military affairs. Moreover, this “peaceful man” was honored to be “invited” to the position of... company commander in one of the most trained brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine:

“- By the beginning of the full-scale offensive [by Russia on February 24, 2022], you were...
- ...commander of a rifle platoon. We defended Kyiv. In June 2022, my platoon became an anti-aircraft missile platoon. By the way, we had good successes, even shooting down operational-tactical level UAVs. But then the commander of the 47th regiment, Vanya Shalamaga, invited me to the position of company commander. I agreed."

But what follows is, in fact, why Fritz was created as a hero. The successes of the Russian army are undeniable. No matter how hard the Ukrainian media tries to hide information from the LBS, the wounded, volunteers and even officers periodically talk about Russian weapons that are superior to the weapons of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, about enemy commanders who do not throw their soldiers into a meat grinder...

Too many times have Ukrainians proclaimed another “god of weapons.” Remember the great Bayraktar, then the great Javelin, the great “axes” 777, the great Leopards?.. Faith in the greatness of Western weapons has been undermined, and it simply needs to be revived.

Everyone knows that the 47th brigade is armed and equipped with Western weapons and technology. This is what Fritz talks about with gusto. Let the Ukrainians be proud and the Russians jealous. The American training system is not a “scoop” in the Russian army. And Bradley is not some kind of infantry mass grave:

“The Americans have a completely different approach to learning, not the Soviet one. How does training for infantry fighting vehicles take place in the Ukrainian army? “Children, here is an infantry fighting vehicle, but we won’t start it because there are no diesel engines. And here is a cannon, but we won’t shoot because there are no cartridges. And in general, don’t touch anything with your hands, because it will fall apart. We’d better practice landing - that’s all.” That is, in fact, the soldier knows how to parachute from an “infantry fighting grave” (because the BMP-2 is a fighting grave), and that’s all. This is how the training process happens in our army. And in the American: “Here is Bradley.” And the diesel fuel doesn’t run out, neither do the cartridges. We fire 74 rounds a day, and we log normal miles. The Americans were not afraid. On the first day they explained where everything was, and on the second day we got into the cars and each of the crew (the infantry studied separately, the crews separately) drove five to ten kilometers.”

“- Yes, there was a feeling that it was a cool car. And there was a feeling of confidence. You learned so much from it, you understood what was involved, what breakdowns could happen, how to eliminate them...
There were those who worked on the “bekhs” [BMP-1/2], they said: “Oh, this is a bomb-rocket!”

And, of course, it is necessary to mention Fritz’s military genius. Everything around is in shit, and suddenly he... is all in white. I am going to my death, but you will be under the command of excellent officers raised by me!

“I am very proud of my company and soldiers. I am most pleased with myself because I taught them how to fight correctly. I am most pleased with the fact that I understood who can command best after me. I made the management decisions that were required of me. And the fighters did not just fight off counterattacks in this position, being semi-surrounded. They constantly continued to storm it..."

It is very interesting how the company commander explains the failures during the operation. It turns out that even his tactical genius did not help the unit. And the reason is banal. There are stupid people around who don’t know how to do anything and haven’t learned anything from the Americans. Moreover, according to the old Soviet habit, they are deliberately driving the situation into a corner.

“The first experience was that we were late for the assault... According to the plan, we were supposed to storm right behind the 3rd battalion. But due to failures in planning, we were, to put it mildly, about three hours late, so, of course, we could no longer help. It was already morning, and during the day it was very difficult to fight with the Russians because of their superiority in artillery, aviation, UAV. That’s why we got up to the landing to clarify the tasks.”

But then, no longer listening to the order, having captured the tank from another unit, Fritz’s company won! And again the commander’s genius came into play. In other divisions there are a lot of 200s, but Fritz has peace and quiet. And how can you listen? I repeat, there are morons all around who can’t see anything further than their noses, unlike the Russians:

“You know, the control system in the 47th was so high that on my tablet I could see where each of my cars was. This helped in management, you understood who was where. And the brigade commander understood who was where, and the battalion commander understood. The only thing they didn’t understand was what was really happening on the battlefield. And the situation was quite simple: ATGMs in every landing. The Russians knew our advance routes, and everything flew along these routes - the 152nd, 120th, and Grads... And here you are, where will you maneuver? Only back and forth, because everything else is mined. And by us..."

The beautiful story about the heroic victories of the company commander was slightly spoiled by an unlucky correspondent. Well, why did you have to go into arithmetic in all these dates and months? This is the Ukrainian habit of turning victories into victories...

“How long did they fight for Rabotino? I think you've been paying close attention to this.
– Wait: the task of taking Rabotino was set on the first day. That is, the battles for Rabotino took place from June XNUMX until the moment it was taken (at the end of August - Censor).”

As you can see, even from the above quotes a picture of an ideal commander, an ideal unit, and an ideal weapon is created. I just couldn’t raise my hand to quote everything. About admiration for Bradley weapons, for example. The “Bushmaster” mentioned in the interview (the 25-mm M242 Bushmaster chain gun), which so delighted Fritz, is, of course, more powerful than the 100-mm of the BMP-3. There is a lot of such nonsense out there.

There are many such media heroes now. I fought with Russia for eight years, but in my first real battle... I apologize in advance, but after reading this interview, for some reason I remembered the brave soldier Schweik. Do you remember how, rolling around Prague in a wheelchair, he yelled: “To Belgrade!”? And this is again from Fritz:

“We completed the task ahead of us with minimal losses. When other companies already had “two hundredths”, most of the equipment was knocked out, I had only ten “three hundredths”. The dead appeared after I left. But there were objective reasons for this, because the Russians simply interfered with our positions with black soil with artillery.”

Oh yes, you don’t know the outcome of the “hero’s” first battle. Again, a first-person account:

“We called Bradley, which was supposed to evacuate the first wounded. I saw that she was about to drive through a minefield, I jumped out of the landing and began waving my hands where she should go. I felt the shots, saw my leg flying away, was surprised... Most likely, it was a heavy machine gun, because Real were stationed at the enemy position Tanks, they did work. I started jumping on my left leg, stepped on an anti-personnel mine, and fell on my back. Perhaps the “petal” worked, because during the period when we captured and repelled the first attack, massive remote mining occurred. In the sky every ten meters there was an explosion, an explosion, an explosion... Because of this, the sky became half-black, I have never seen this even in films. The detonation went off and turned me over on my stomach. Something also worked under my chest - I was thrown up again. I have good armor, so the blast wave went through my hands. After all these explosions, I fell, lay there and looked: my hands were burned.”

Today Fritz is disabled. A 38-year-old man without a right leg, with a mutilated left leg, burnt hands and face. A person who still has a long time to heal. Three explosions, even if they did not lead to death, do not just go away. Pain is now Fritz's eternal companion. But maybe she will help him remember that he is Nikolai Melnik...

Instead of an epilogue


I truly feel sorry for this man. I feel sorry for Melnik. Lost life, health, prospects, future. But I am completely indifferent to Fritz's fate. Got what I deserved. And all his heroic deeds are just a desire to remind himself. 9 months of training at NATO bases and... Zero in the end. In a circus with bears on motorcycles it’s faster.

But I feel even more sorry for ordinary Ukrainians who once believed in a fairy tale about a beautiful life, in the machinations of the Russians, in some unprecedented history of their own state. And even now they believe that they can build something on the ruins of Soviet Ukraine. They couldn’t do it for thirty years, but now they can. And they pay for this faith with their own lives and the lives of other people.

Ukrainian media have so captured the minds of people that the majority of Ukrainians do not even want to look for any other sources of information. A very convenient position: if someone says something that does not fit into the picture of the world created in the minds of Ukrainians, he is simply declared an agent of Putin. And it doesn’t matter who he is or where he’s from. He thinks differently, which means he was bought by Moscow.

How scary it will be for Ukrainians “when morning comes,” when it suddenly turns out that all the chimeras with which they were stuffed for many years have dissipated, and it turns out that the world is completely different than they imagined. The collapse of the worldview, the collapse of ideals, the collapse of life goals, the collapse of life in the end.

But nothing can be done... It’s firmly driven into our heads and not easy to get out. Just yesterday I was convinced of this again. An adult fool, a refugee from Kherson, who bought an apartment in Yevpatoria with a certificate and received Russian citizenship, began shouting on the street that Crimea is Ukraine. This is the power of propaganda!

And questions like “what else did she need” don’t work here. “Ukrainianism” takes a very long time to heal. For some, this is an incurable disease, like for Fritz’s grandparents and parents...
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  1. +34
    20 November 2023 04: 30
    Ragul is a diagnosis, and an incurable one at that.
    1. +16
      20 November 2023 05: 15
      Quote: Nagan
      Ragul is a diagnosis,

      And the symptom is brain enlargement!
    2. +14
      20 November 2023 06: 40
      Quote: Nagan
      Ragul is a diagnosis, and an incurable one at that.

      To complete the picture, I would like to read...
      https://dzen.ru/a/YlWajBQqfmgpJU54
      1. +4
        20 November 2023 08: 21
        Quote from the Author: There are enough examples. Same Ilon Max, despite the enormous assistance to Ukraine

        Correct
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      3. +15
        20 November 2023 14: 41
        Quote: svp67
        To complete the picture,

        Here is the first Ukrainian “pilot of the sky-high litak”!
        1. +3
          20 November 2023 22: 51
          Quote from Uncle Lee
          Here is the first Ukrainian “pilot of the sky-high litak”!

          Ghost of Kyiv? laughing lol
      4. 0
        20 November 2023 22: 29
        Why post all this nonsense? This Lyulchenko and the monument to him appeared in 2019 in the satirical magazine Panorama. That is, the character is made up. And the author, with a zen mind, also added to the text that they say it’s suitable for suckers and no one will check. For that, advertising, subscribe to my telegram contains a lot of interesting things in the same spirit
        1. 0
          20 November 2023 23: 09
          Yes, one of our respected VO authors, based on the Panorama material, once wrote an “analytical article” about “decabalization” and the abolition of privatization in the PRC.)
        2. -1
          21 November 2023 20: 43
          Quote: sergey_vakk
          Why post all this nonsense? This Lyulchenko and the monument to him appeared in 2019 in the satirical magazine Panorama. That is, the character is made up. And the author, with a zen mind, also added to the text that they say it’s suitable for suckers and no one will check. For that, advertising, subscribe to my telegram contains a lot of interesting things in the same spirit

          It seems that the main thing in the article is the information from this bastard. And the author brings us to this, and his comments in small print need not be read. Interestingly, the author did not forget to tell us anything from the interview. "Commendable" zeal.
      5. 0
        21 November 2023 16: 22
        This is a message from the Panorama website, which specializes in creating fake news (and does not hide it).
        https://panorama.pub/17240-na-ukraine.html
    3. +5
      20 November 2023 15: 08
      [quote]How scary the Ukrainians will be “when morning comes”[/quote
      For them, morning will never come!
    4. +2
      20 November 2023 15: 23
      No, the treatment is the same conservative as for humpbacks (but these days you can operate on them, ragulya - maybe a lobotomy).
    5. +8
      20 November 2023 17: 26
      An apartment in Evpatoria for raguli is a diagnosis. For you and me.
    6. +2
      20 November 2023 20: 56
      Well, if an incurable person needs to be put to sleep so that they don’t suffer, otherwise they’ll also find a method of treatment - give them an apartment!
      1. +1
        21 November 2023 08: 11
        The hacks are greedy, they wouldn’t take too many risks for fear of losing their property, but this one is just stupid.
    7. +1
      21 November 2023 20: 36
      Quote: Nagan
      Ragul is a diagnosis, and an incurable one at that.

      Anarchy always breeds permissiveness and impunity. This becomes the meaning of their life.
  2. +5
    20 November 2023 04: 54
    What will happen when these Russian speakers return home and suddenly discover that they are outcasts?

    Not "when" but "if".
    They will clear the country of U from Russians in this way.
    How scary it will be for Ukrainians “when morning comes,” when it suddenly turns out that all the chimeras with which they were stuffed for many years have dissipated, and it turns out that the world is completely different than they imagined.

    And those who will remain are those for whom the chimeras will not dissolve - the Nazis. Which, alas, it won’t be possible to re-educate - we don’t know how...
    But nothing can be done... It’s firmly driven into our heads and not easy to get out. Just yesterday I was convinced of this again. An adult fool, a refugee from Kherson, who bought an apartment in Yevpatoria with a certificate and received Russian citizenship, began shouting on the street that Crimea is Ukraine. This is the power of propaganda!

    This is the future - either the Gaza Strip with the Nazis, with whom, just like Palestine now, all “progressive humanity” will sympathize and help with weapons, or 20 million such, as in the quote, “adult fools” and fools within the country, full-fledged Russians, like we and the Turkmens.
    1. +8
      20 November 2023 10: 00
      Quote from tsvetahaki
      Not "when" but "if".
      They will clear the country of U from Russians in this way.

      That's exactly what "if". In general, this situation makes me sad and melancholy. With Russian speakers - war SVO and mutual destruction, and migrants who cannot put two words together in Russian go to Russia in batches. A multi-step trick from the grandmasters of geopolitics... Very cunning, and, at first glance, very “useful” for Russians.
  3. +12
    20 November 2023 04: 57
    I was especially struck by the phrase that I put in the title...
    ...Grandfather fought in the Red Army since 1943, but always hated Russians

    The author misses the characteristic tendency of Svidomo to brazen and stupid lies...
    1. +5
      20 November 2023 12: 11
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      ..... The author misses the characteristic tendency of Svidomo to blatant and stupid lies...

      They have so many arrogant and stupid tendencies that they cannot be counted.
      No matter how much they throw mud at Russia, they continue to make TV series, in good Russian, and push them onto Russian TV screens and Internet channels! am They won’t mind, and Farion is silent about it! Also, books in Russian were published before the start of the SVO
  4. +30
    20 November 2023 05: 52
    What is stated in the article is true. And the pressure of the all-consuming media brainwashing machine there is very great. But still, this is a significant, but secondary factor in motivating Ukrainians. Also, direct coercion and dictatorship are also present, and also important, but also not the main factor of motivation.
    The main one there is much more rational, although perversely rational.
    The idea is that Europe is better than Russia, and therefore you need to go to Europe. They are not fighting for “nenka” at all, but to stop being Ukraine (that’s why all our searches for “nationalists” are so ridiculous - Ukraine is the most anti-national state in the world) and to become “this Europe”. If they manage to go there collectively (they will be taken to the EU), great, if it doesn’t work out, they will leave individually. Hence, the rabid support for war is completely logical, war is a way by which you can get support from “the whole of Europe” at the expense of blood (of course, preferably someone else’s).
    What does any “broad patriot” of Ukraine do if even the slightest opportunity arises to leave Ukraine? He immediately leaves “Nenka” and begins to love her from a distance, doing everything possible so as not to return there, but at the same time maximally exploiting the image of the country as a victim of Russia.
    And if a person is at the front, then the logic is this: kill as many Russians as possible, and after the victory, the country that has such merits to the West will be made a second Poland, or even France.
    1. +9
      20 November 2023 05: 56
      They are not fighting for “Nenka” at all, but to stop being Ukraine

      Brilliant comment. I plus with both hands. hi
    2. +1
      22 November 2023 12: 24
      I totally agree
  5. +6
    20 November 2023 05: 56
    “Ukrainianism” takes a very long time to heal.
    But chauvinism cannot be cured by words at all.
  6. +16
    20 November 2023 06: 02
    Again digging into the problem of how it is, brotherly people and the enemy.
    I think we need to get away from this habit, as soon as the country follows the same course as us, brothers, if not, then no.
    I have long come to the conclusion that only the people with whom you live in the same country, solve the same problems, rejoice in the same victories, etc. can be fraternal.
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  7. +12
    20 November 2023 06: 08
    I read an article about this Melnik... it’s a pity that his head wasn’t torn off by a shell... he’s a complete Russophobe and there are plenty of people like him in the Armed Forces of Ukraine... there will never be peace with them.
  8. +8
    20 November 2023 06: 14
    Quote: parusnik
    “Ukrainianism” takes a very long time to heal.
    But chauvinism cannot be cured by words at all.

    Russophobia is generally a clinical case...can only be treated by amputation of the head. smile
    The Anglo-Saxons classically introduced the bacilli of hatred towards Russians in Ukraine... this infection struck the deep layers of the Ukrainian people... now it cannot be cured except by surgery.
  9. +7
    20 November 2023 06: 25
    It is not very clear what the author wanted to say with his article. I wouldn’t be surprised if Aunt Farion still keeps her desk ticket under her pillow. For the sake of fairness, we have enough farions of our own. It would be better if the author wrote it than the nationalist “Fritz”, aka Kolya the Miller is different from the nationalist Vitya Medvedchuk.
    1. +7
      20 November 2023 09: 41
      How does the nationalist “Fritz”, aka Kolya the miller, differ from the nationalist Vitya Medvedchuk.
      And this is different. Kolya Melnik, separately, and Vitya Medvedchuk, separately. Kolya Melnik, a Ukrainian nationalist, pro-Western, and Vitya Medvedchuk, a Ukrainian nationalist, but almost pro-Russian. Feel the difference. smile
      1. +4
        20 November 2023 10: 03
        Well, it’s hard to call Vitya Medvedchuk “pro-Russian”. If you compare how many lives were lost on Kolya Melnik and Vitya Medvedchuk (albeit indirectly), then Vitya is far ahead.
        1. +5
          20 November 2023 11: 25
          Well, it’s hard to call Vitya Medvedchuk “pro-Russian”
          . And it’s not worth it, he’s almost, but not quite, otherwise he’s on his own mind, and he’s pro-Russian only because of family ties smile
          1. +5
            20 November 2023 11: 31
            Because of this bastard, so many people died, and this creature is now “warming its belly” in Sochi. And his friend Vitya Yanukovych is doing well.
            1. +6
              20 November 2023 16: 19
              So many people died because of this bastard
              Let’s be objective, not only because of him, but because of many.
            2. +3
              20 November 2023 18: 16
              Vladimir! Of course, Medvedchuk and Yanukovych bear their share of responsibility for the war, but they previously wrote that the Russian Federation has invested more than 250 billion dollars in strengthening Ukraine. The United States invested, as they wrote, $5 billion in the coup in Ukraine. Why, with such investments, was the US Ambassador, and not the Russian Ambassador, leading Ukraine? Next, I think there will be some kind of peace treaty, the West will confiscate our money where it can, transfer it to Ukraine in documents, and take it back as debts for the assistance provided. What will change for Russia in the international situation? Nothing, just like for the destroyed Ukraine.
              1. 0
                20 November 2023 19: 29
                Sergey, I agree with you. I’m afraid that the “peace treaty” with Ukraine will bring big problems to the Russian State, and only God knows how it will end. Look, our propagandists “clap their hands” - they stopped the counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. It is very doubtful that the West is idiots
                - they have been and are relying on a counter-offensive by the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The West has been and is betting on the collapse of Russia from within. You look at how this strange SVO has been going on for two years and you get the feeling that everything is being done so that Russia doesn’t win....
              2. 0
                20 November 2023 21: 34
                Quote: Sergei Fonov
                but earlier they wrote that the Russian Federation invested more than 250 billion dollars in strengthening Ukraine

                Nonsense. You can write anything you want. But Ukraine never received this money clean. But forgiving loans is apparently our everything. In addition, one small detail - an ambassador cannot lead a foreign country at all, even if he is Chernomyrdin, or even Zurabov. Here what influence does our ambassador have in Armenia now?
  10. +6
    20 November 2023 06: 38
    Americans have a completely different approach to learning, not the Soviet one. How does training for infantry fighting vehicles take place in the Ukrainian army? “Children, here is an infantry fighting vehicle, but we won’t start it because there are no diesel engines. And here is a cannon, but we won’t shoot because there are no cartridges. And in general, don’t touch anything with your hands, because it will fall apart. We’d better practice landing - that’s all.” That is, in fact, the soldier knows how to parachute from an “infantry fighting grave” (because the BMP-2 is a fighting grave), and that’s all.

    That’s exactly what is “Soviet”, not SOVIET. I can’t tell you how much ammunition and fuel we spent on training. The best characteristic is that the young soldiers, who at first dreamed of shooting and driving, after a couple of months of intense combat training, already dreamed of “going into uniform...”)))
  11. +4
    20 November 2023 06: 40
    We open the “Tale of Bygone Years” by St. Rev. O. Nestor the Kyiv monk of the late 11th century.... And we read that he wrote about the ancestors of the Ukrainians-Polyans and about the Drevlyans and others “who are further north”......

    Much becomes clear, but it is absolutely unclear how and why this work is considered a “monument of Russian culture” in Russia? This is a monument to Khokhlat pathological hatred, which is almost a thousand years old. How could Nestor be canonized by the Russian Orthodox Church?
    1. +1
      20 November 2023 15: 46
      Nestor is now very much on the agenda

      In Britain, several husbands sleep with one wife, and many wives have an affair with one husband and commit lawlessness like the law of their fathers, without being condemned or restrained by anyone.


      Otherwise, for their neighboring Indians. These are murderers, filth-makers, and wrathful beyond all measure; and in the interior regions of their country - they eat people there, and kill travelers, and even eat them like dogs. Both the Chaldeans and the Babylonians have their own law: to take mothers to bed, to commit fornication with the children of brothers and to kill. And they do every kind of shamelessness, considering it a virtue, even if they are far from their country
  12. +8
    20 November 2023 06: 46
    I, unlike the author in the epilogue of the article, do not feel sorry for this Miller at all. How can you regret that creatures are a breed? I feel sorry for the other one.
    I am very sorry that in Russia they have not yet understood that Russophobia is not a variety of hitherto known racist and Nazi theories, but this is a completely new “eugenics” with the specifics of humiliation, enslavement and, ultimately, the destruction of specifically Russians and Russia. Just as the Jews found the word “Holocaust,” so the Russians must find the names of this theory for the destruction of specifically Russians. Would you say that the name is of secondary importance? Don't tell me, don't tell me... the Jews decided on their name only after six million of them were destroyed. And in Russia they are still talking about fraternal peoples, about brothers in faith, as if Cain never killed Abel...
    Hence the second pity. It’s a pity that the Russian people are so gullible and naive that they always hope that if during the war Cain and Abel had to be in the same trenches and fight together, like the Ukrainians and Russians during the Second World War, then after this Cain would never kill again Abel...
    And more about the Russian language. Since both Cain and Abel spoke the same language, a Russophobe who speaks Russian and is ready to kill Russians and Russia is not a new phenomenon at all..
    1. +6
      20 November 2023 08: 54
      .....It's a pity that the Russian people are so gullible

      I thought about this a lot before recourse Why?
      This is probably a consequence of the fact that Russia and the USSR are great world empires. And this attitude towards “younger brothers” is the result.
    2. +4
      20 November 2023 09: 15
      There is no need to talk about the “gullibility of the Russian people”..... It smacks of Hitler’s ideas of inferiority

      Although cliches like “.. And we slept and didn’t know anything” or about “... patient people...” or “.... these came to us, and then these came to us...” - - on Surprisingly tenacious stamps.

      If Russians tend to admit that they are not full-fledged, then all brothers and other relatives will come to this even more so.

      As one Uzbek said: “Why if I ask a Russian you are Russian? , he immediately starts telling me which of his relatives is not Russian?”

      This perversion must end... It's high time.
      Otherwise, soon they will start beating Russians on the streets for being Russians.
      1. +5
        20 November 2023 11: 54
        Otherwise, soon they will start beating Russians on the streets for being Russians.

        It has already begun.
        Even if it gets into the press, that’s it, the point of no return has been passed.
        But in the spring we will again choose the Migrant Lover in one impulse, how could it be otherwise...
    3. -1
      20 November 2023 10: 19
      It’s clear that it’s convenient for serfs to pretend to be “gullible fools..”, but that’s just what it led to. The mask has grown to the face laughing
  13. +14
    20 November 2023 07: 59
    A guy from Lvov served with us, his name was Ruslan Marchuk, it was 1989, Soviet childhood, school. He was also a pioneer, a Komsomol member, and even then he declared that Bandera and the OUN were good people who fought the fascists, but he was silent about the Russians. At the same time, he argued that the OUN and UPA are different things and the UPA, I could not convince him that these are the same eggs only in profile, he said this cannot be. Otherwise he was normal, there was no hostility towards the Russians, and in the second battery there was Barchan from Kharkov, he was stubborn even then, he kept yelling “Bandera is coming, order is in order,” so this infection has always been there and for the last thirty years it has been only finally crawled out of the shadows and seized power.
  14. +2
    20 November 2023 07: 59
    A guy from Lvov served with us, his name was Ruslan Marchuk, it was 1989, Soviet childhood, school. He was also a pioneer, a Komsomol member, and even then he declared that Bandera and the OUN were good people who fought the fascists, but he was silent about the Russians. At the same time, he argued that the OUN and UPA are different things and the UPA, I could not convince him that these are the same eggs only in profile, he said this cannot be. Otherwise he was normal, there was no hostility towards the Russians, and in the second battery there was Barchan from Kharkov, he was stubborn even then, he kept yelling “Bandera is coming, order is in order,” so this infection has always been there and for the last thirty years it has been only finally crawled out of the shadows and seized power.
    1. +5
      20 November 2023 09: 47
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      Barchan from Kharkov, that stubborn one was already then, he kept shouting “Bandera is coming, order is in order,” so this infection has always been there, and for the last thirty years it has only finally crawled out of the shadows and seized power.

      During my service in the 70-80s, on Hitler’s birthday, “unknown people” set fire to a cross at night on some hill (hill). Who knows, after the collapse of the USSR, such a procedure occurs or are they all going crazy at home?
  15. +9
    20 November 2023 08: 24
    Their nation is sick, seriously sick. When you see grannies shouting: Moskolyak to gilyak, with pots on their heads, the picture of the adequacy of what is happening begins to blur. And the complete lack of understanding of its residents that everything good that happened in the life of Ukraine was in one way or another connected with Russia.
    1. +7
      20 November 2023 09: 02
      Quote from turembo
      ..... with pots on their heads, ..... complete lack of understanding of its inhabitants that everything good that happened in the life of Ukraine was in one way or another connected with Russia.

      These grandmothers do not understand that without Soviet power they would not have had any running water, electricity, gas or sewerage... For some reason they did not refuse to move to Khrushchev and Stalinist buildings, and how many Westerners tried to infiltrate the RSFSR, into the cities. We see the result of this in the form of hereditary waiters who are trying to do shit now
    2. +13
      20 November 2023 09: 23
      Their nation is sick, seriously sick.
      Our healthy one. It looks very interesting, the monument to Sudoplatov in the liberated territories and the newly opened monument to Wrangel in Rostov or is it something else.? Wrangel, will he come and restore order?
      1. +4
        20 November 2023 09: 39
        Quote: kor1vet1974
        ..... and the newly opened monument to Wrangel in Rostov or is it something else.? Wrangel, will he come and restore order?

        Wrangel is a beast, comparable to Hitler. And he sang with the interventionists. The West tried to appease the West with Russian resources.
        1. +10
          20 November 2023 09: 46
          And sang with the interventionists
          According to current criteria, a foreign agent. Solzhenitsyn, according to the same criteria, a foreign agent, Ilyin... And this speaks about the health of the nation, those are sick, but we are not?
          1. +1
            20 November 2023 11: 53
            Quote: kor1vet1974
            ... According to current criteria, a foreign agent. Solzhenitsyn, according to the same criteria, a foreign agent, Ilyin..

            good It's time to reconsider from this point of view! Then we will come to the conclusion that it is time to look higher. At least in our very recent past
            and 30 years have already passed since we cheated our souls.....

            As for the health of the nation... the nation is healthy, as recent events show. There have always been renegades, and of course
            damn caste
            1. +4
              20 November 2023 16: 21
              According to current criteria (and even according to Soviet ones), all the White Guards are foreign agents.
        2. -6
          20 November 2023 21: 38
          Quote: Reptiloid
          The West tried to appease the West with Russian resources.

          You better tell us how many resources the Bolsheviks sent to the West. How many paintings hang in Western museums
          1. +1
            21 November 2023 15: 03
            And what? The current ones have sent and are sending less? Even those who imposed sanctions! The Bolsheviks invested this money in the country and people, and to this day we benefit from the results of their “sending of resources”! What have the current “effective” ones done?
    3. +1
      20 November 2023 23: 30
      The cornerstone of their national identity is “we are not Russia.” initially. Those who do not have this stone consider themselves Russian. Why be surprised by the results periodically reproduced by history?
  16. +6
    20 November 2023 08: 49
    The whole world has gone crazy, not individual countries. Now, they are not going crazy individually, but by countries and continents.
  17. +3
    20 November 2023 09: 40
    Paraphrasing famous lines:
    Melnik died in the village.
    Having buried the soldier,
    We will forget forever
    About Fritz the scoundrel.
  18. +6
    20 November 2023 10: 03
    Haven't the Russians changed their mentality? They are also far from being Soviet people, with the exception of the older generation and not all of them, but a small part of the youth.
    Or are they not canceling Soviet holidays, but replacing them?
    1. +1
      20 November 2023 23: 33
      We have very similar processes going on. and alas, a number of things that we saw and see on territory 404 can be seen here, only they have been repainted from yellow-bladed to tricolor colors. Unfortunately. and it’s unknown how much more we’ll see from our side that they used to laugh at. But thank God, we have not yet sunk to such a level of decomposition as in the bukra. And people are still different, this slows down the processes that took place there much faster.
  19. +7
    20 November 2023 10: 58
    Ukrainians cease to exist as a people, a nation. They want to go to the West. But the West sets the condition: “kill the Russian first.”

    Russian youth are following the same path, but with a lag. This can be seen in her attitude towards the “old scoops”.

    For the most part, she doesn’t want to go to the Northern Military District, she wants to go to the West. It is understandable; the servility of Russian youth is the same as in the 18th century. She does not believe in the future of Russia and in establishing order here. It’s better to go to another Master.
    One can feel the approaching finish line.
    1. +4
      20 November 2023 12: 16
      There is no point in equating “servility” with “lack of faith in the future of Russia.”
      “Service” is an organic desire to serve and please someone.
      And the lack of faith comes from the lack of a foundation for it. Any faith must be based on something - holy books, miracles, predictions of authorities, etc. Even super virtual garbage must come into contact with reality somewhere and not hang entirely in the air.
      When people are endlessly promised but they see neither scripture, nor infallible authorities, nor hope-inspiring dynamics and a positively perceived chain of markers, the overwhelming majority will lose faith. Not even that - “loss of faith” and “liquidation of an idea” are different processes. A person who believes, without observing the participation of higher powers, little by little begins to doubt the dogmas; he “loses faith” piece by piece, preserving its foundation, even if it is collapsing.
      “Liquidation of an idea” is when a believer reaches the moment when he no longer “loses faith”, but has logically come to the conclusion that ALL THIS IS NON-SANE. Not individual elements, not even the majority - but everything, “in the case”.

      I believe that the system is primarily to blame for these processes. The system has not understood for quite a long time that faith is a kind of analogue of a loan, but not a bottomless pit of money.
      The mercantile attitude of the system was simply projected onto ordinary people. If the Pope is not righteous, why should the Cleric be righteous?
      In choosing from vicious systems - why is choosing some other vicious system worse?
      Here you are standing in the store and choosing unhealthy food - what difference does it make to you whether you buy domestic or Korean?
  20. +6
    20 November 2023 11: 47
    An adult fool, a refugee from Kherson, who bought an apartment in Yevpatoria with a certificate and received Russian citizenship, began shouting on the street that Crimea is Ukraine. This is the power of propaganda!

    If you don't do propaganda, the enemy does.
    As we can see, it was quite successful.
  21. 0
    20 November 2023 12: 01
    And any nationalism is like that. This is when a person thinks a poppy seed bun tastes better simply because it says “produced in...” on the packaging.
    I’m afraid that these are ineradicable features of the human essence, which propaganda may or may not harness, but they will still be there. Just as some people love to compare their personal belongings with others on every occasion, so also a nationalist loves to compare his personal belongings with the already virtual “other people” on some “other side”. And in this phallometry he will go far, and even further if he is prompted by agitprop.
    Any state, in general, loves to play on the brains of people like a piano, exciting, sowing, shaping and justifying. Here, in my opinion, the main thing to remember is that every person has a PERSONAL goal in life. And that the surrounding space is indifferent to this goal, no matter how much it insists on the opposite, no matter how beautiful little flags it paints, no matter how loud anthems it plays.
    One who forgets about personal goals and allows someone else to replace them - from a subject always becomes an instrument. Has this man from the article become closer to achieving his personal goal after all this? Don't think. This means it was used as a tool.
  22. +2
    20 November 2023 12: 31
    I am against the complete capture of 404 and I believe that the Poles, showing a picture on TV about what would happen to 404, were right and this is exactly what should be done.
    A certain conglomerate will remain on the site of the former Ukrainian SSR, which will pay off debts.
    They can't be re-educated.
    1. +6
      20 November 2023 14: 45
      Any Ukrainian territory not controlled by Russia is guaranteed to become a location for American bases and missiles.
      1. +1
        21 November 2023 14: 56
        I agree, so no negotiations, only complete destruction!
  23. +12
    20 November 2023 12: 39
    The amazing and amazing metamorphosis of Russian-speaking Ukrainians who have numerous relatives in Russia is the merit, first of all, of Yeltsin, who betrayed the Soviet Union in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, and then did not pay any attention to the dangerous processes that his American friends launched there. And Putin, who also did not react to anything, and considered Ukraine only as a transit territory through which his oligarch friends drove raw materials abroad. The Russian ambassadors to Ukraine are indicative - the drunkard and foul-mouthed Chernomyrdin, who slept through the first Maidan, and Zurabov, who almost ruined Russian healthcare and slept through the second Maidan. And then he assured Putin that Poroshenko is an excellent man with whom you can sign any agreement.
    1. 0
      20 November 2023 23: 37
      First of all, this is the merit of the Ukrainians themselves; no one can take this merit away from them. And yes, they also forgot Judas Mishka Marked, and you can add all those who killed Stalin and then turned their shafts to the west.
  24. +5
    20 November 2023 18: 36
    The article, frankly speaking, is about nothing... Phrases like
    I truly feel sorry for this man. I feel sorry for Melnik. Lost life, health, prospects, future. But I am completely indifferent to Fritz's fate

    they talk about some kind of confusion in the author’s thoughts. Besides
    company commander of the 47th brigade Nikolai Melnik, call sign Fritz

    not a scrubber. In the army, many floors were washed and not only floors. There is nothing wrong with this. He is a lawyer, and an experienced one at that. Because he is 38 years old. I remember that with me, a graduate of a military university, a graduate of the Riga Law Institute came to the company for the position of MSV commander. This means that students are told something about MSV at the university. You just need to know this from the beginning so as not to build ridiculous speculation, even about enemies. Although it is extremely dangerous to talk about enemies “approximately”. When discussing the tonality of Melnik’s interview with Censor, remember the memoirs of our marshals and enemy field marshals who survived WWII. As they say, “you can’t tell a story if you don’t tell a beautiful lie.” laughing . The author's final thought is unclear. For the concept that “Ukrainianism” in new territories will need to be extracted from the population for a long time has been clear to most thinking Russians for a long time.
  25. +1
    20 November 2023 19: 46
    The Bushmaster (25mm M242 Bushmaster chain gun), which so delighted Fritz, is, of course, more powerful than the 100mm of the BMP-3. There is a lot of such nonsense there. End of quote. The author is generally aware of how few BMP-3s there are in the Russian Army!????
  26. 0
    20 November 2023 20: 36
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Nagan
    Ragul is a diagnosis, and an incurable one at that.

    To complete the picture, I would like to read...
    https://dzen.ru/a/YlWajBQqfmgpJU54
    This is another story retold here in all seriousness from the satirical publication “Panorama”: https://panorama.pub/17240-na-ukraine.html
  27. +2
    20 November 2023 22: 14
    I truly feel sorry for this man. I feel sorry for Melnik.

    And I'm sorry. It’s a pity that this scum survived or didn’t at least remain in “samovar” condition.
  28. +5
    20 November 2023 22: 28
    So we need to take a closer look at these refugees. Otherwise, this fool from Kherson gets a free certificate for an apartment, and my Russian, a 15-year mortgage. And he has to work hard for these 15 years, denying himself and his children a lot in order to pay for housing.
  29. 0
    20 November 2023 22: 33
    Okay, they may not be particularly smart, but Russia had to impose its point of view, and it failed.
    1. +2
      21 November 2023 13: 35
      Russia had to impose its point of view BUT teach the fool - why treat the dead!
  30. -1
    20 November 2023 23: 54
    I was wondering what Nestor the chronicler actually said today. And I guess it would be something like this

    As the chronicler said towards the Sunset, people and nations do not live by the Law of God, but create a law for themselves. And everything there is unclean, and there is obscenity in them before the father and before the daughters-in-law, and there were no marriages in them, but games, but dancing and all the demonic songs.

    Europe these prodigals are called and everything is in this Sodom, like cattle are combined with the surroundings and they take everyone on the bed, like the Sodomites who drove out the righteous Lot. And all in that Europe there is shame, and evil-smelling, evil-smelling wickedness, as if they were conceived in malice and stench, and in fornication and in the stench of lawlessness, they lived and died.

    And for everything in that Europe, the limit was set not to do anything good, but only to commit evil and taste it. A stinking cup, a Latin cup, a European lawless potion, for the bestialists and the fornicators and the stinkers and the murderers and the carrion eaters are Europe.

    Not the face of mankind, but the essence of demonic masks and hooves and a wolf’s fang and saliva flowing through Bradeh, for they are that people of Europe, for from the Latin heresies and the papacy and the papal fornication, drink and flow the Latin shame and dispel the heresies of evil malice.
  31. +2
    21 November 2023 09: 49
    What kind of “ordinary Ukrainians” are they? Stop repeating this stupid mantra. Ordinary Ukrainians are like ordinary German workers - you fraternize with them, and they are your turn. Maybe we'll start respecting ourselves at least a little in the end? Why bother with your friendship? If they don’t want to be friends, let them become enemies already and stop reflecting - the tougher you are with them, the more they will respect you, and then, you see, they’ll love you, even though it’s not fucking necessary.
  32. NSV
    +1
    21 November 2023 13: 22
    It’s a pity that the fourth mine wasn’t nearby!!!! A good ukrovedro is a dead ukrovedro...
  33. +1
    21 November 2023 13: 29
    My grandfather fought in the Red Army since 1943, but he always hated the Russians - what a stump and shoot this is, after all, oranges and such weeds will not be born from an aspen tree ... and not only there is more than enough there with all the ensuing consequences!
  34. +2
    21 November 2023 13: 52
    That’s because this Ukrainianness cannot be cured, it is necessary to leave a small piece of Ukraine, without the sea and Kyiv. So that these stubborn people have the opportunity to escape from Russia. Otherwise, if we take everything, they will stay inside and shit. If you consider yourself Russian, then stay in Russia, otherwise you’ll end up dead. From a stub they will not be able to do anything to spoil Russia, the forces are not the same and the population of Liechtenstein
    1. +2
      21 November 2023 16: 25
      real patriots of Ukraine prefer to love her from the toilet of their owners, so they try to disappear, some to Canada, some to Japan, some to Europe. so there will definitely not be real Ukrainian patriots there. those who live in Russia will definitely not disappear there. They would have fled to the West if they were anything of themselves, but they will live and quietly crap around them. and teach children about how the Muscovites cursed the bright dream of the great Nenka again ruined in the bud. These hogweed seeds fell very deep into the soil of their consciousness, fertilized with something organic.
  35. -1
    21 November 2023 14: 22
    Quote: Igor1915
    Okay, they may not be particularly smart, but Russia had to impose its point of view, and it failed.


    How can it be imposed on a resident of another state?

    Generally speaking, I have long had the impression that Ukrainians (or what else can we call them?) are originally a Russophobic branch of the Slavs (or subethnic group). At the first stages it is relatively small. But after the transfer of many Russian territories to Soviet Ukraine, quantity changed in quality and we got an absolutely Russophobic country. I may have formulated it clumsily, but I am not a specialized scientist, but an ordinary person.
  36. 0
    21 November 2023 14: 47
    “Ukrainianism” takes a very long time to heal.

    There is no treatment for him, only amputation! No matter how much you give to the pan, it’s not enough, but as soon as they stop giving, it’s like “fat to the heroes.” The case in Yevpatoria is very indicative.
  37. +2
    21 November 2023 15: 28
    but I don’t feel sorry for this pig - I got what I was looking for
  38. +1
    21 November 2023 16: 16
    Did his grandfather tell him about this after his death?
    I think the article is intended to make us hate all Ukrainians, and not just the Ukrainians.
    1. 0
      21 November 2023 16: 54
      From love to hate there is one step, from hatred to love there are kilometers of steps. Well, everyone has their own thoughts, so Jedem das Seine!
  39. +1
    21 November 2023 23: 26
    But nothing can be done...

    There is a lot that can be done.
    But even more could have been done if it weren’t for “everything you need can be bought.”
    And if you don’t loudly report to the whole world every week, how our politicians twisted their politicians with their sanctions, simultaneously imported and imported.
  40. +1
    22 November 2023 00: 26
    I have an acquaintance, a man who was born in the USSR and lived all his life in Siberia. But his ancestors, whom he did not find, are the Western Enets. So he, who has never been to Ukraine, and is fully established in the Russian Federation, is a terrible Russophobe. How can I explain this? request
  41. 0
    22 November 2023 00: 27
    Quote from Fangaro
    But nothing can be done...

    There is a lot that can be done.
    But even more could have been done if it weren’t for “everything you need can be bought.”
    And if you don’t loudly report to the whole world every week, how our politicians twisted their politicians with their sanctions, simultaneously imported and imported.


    There was another quote about tanks. I won’t bring it up, because they’ll ban you and put it in the dark.
  42. 0
    22 November 2023 05: 27
    An adult fool, a refugee from Kherson, who bought an apartment in Yevpatoria with a certificate and received Russian citizenship, began screaming in the street,

    A cheap journalistic trick: voicing the opinion of either another crazy old woman like Farion, or an inexperienced youngster who started out reading books by Soros or Aum Shinrikyo.
  43. +2
    22 November 2023 08: 10
    My grandfather fought in the Red Army since 1943, but always hated Russians

    Just think! The first president of Ukraine, L. Kravchuk, suddenly said in 2016 that at the age of 16 he carried out tasks for Bandera’s followers. Allegedly, after the war, as a Komsomol member, he conveyed to them, entrenched in the forest, information about the presence in his native village of NKVD soldiers who accompanied the convoys, and the “forest brothers” hiding in Transcarpathia until the mid-1950s later attacked the convoy and killed the guards .
  44. 0
    23 November 2023 19: 56
    The stomach quickly changes mentality. I remember back in the 80s when I went to Ukraine
    I asked why your stores are a bit empty, it seems like a rich region?
    Residents answered simply, pointing towards Moscow - “AND EVERYTHING GOES THERE, SO IT’S EMPTY.”
  45. +1
    25 November 2023 12: 20
    This is precisely why a simple rule regarding flies and cutlets should only work after the last person wishing death to our country and its citizens has been exterminated. All questions will disappear for the survivors and they will sober up. In the meantime, wet with all your heart and without doubt. Pin Dos do this before, they don’t leave their enemies alive, and then they negotiate peace on their own terms and after a generation they are excellent partners of Pin Dos. Just stop being nostalgic for the times when the Secretary General kissed the gums of his freeloading friends abroad. The enemy must die, let’s let him do it, because he’s been waiting for so long.
  46. 0
    26 November 2023 19: 58
    Sorry for "Fritz"???
    But I’m not sorry at all, I wonder why?
  47. 0
    27 November 2023 20: 49
    Ukraine is a limitrophe country, it wants to trade with the West, and maybe only with Russia.
    Read Parshev. PRNA.
    Any Russian, having got there, will gradually want the same thing, but evil Moscow and Muscovites will not allow this to happen - everyone is equal.
    Something must be done about this in principle, otherwise, having freed them, there will be the same rake for the hundredth time.

    In 1989-91, two Ukrainian officers served with me, one was a regular officer, the other a jacket, from Kyiv, by the way.
    Both believed that the Russians were eating them up.
    This did not start in 2014 or 1991.

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