New Israeli machine Meron

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At an exhibition in Paris, in the past year, the Israeli company Versia Military Design showed how it sees a modern machine gun. Needless to say, now almost every second armory the company is trying to surpass everyone in the creation of weapons of the most fantastic appearance. It seems that the weapon is created not for shooting, but for filming in the next action movie, while the developers are talking about the incredibly convenient use of their particular model, which, according to the advertising texts, should become almost an extension of the shooter's hand and shoot independently right on target. The Israeli company has chosen the Tavor submachine gun to create its “weapon of the future," which, in fact, has been repacked into a new wrapper, although some changes in design are not ruled out. And while no one even talks about the final weight of the weapon, one can already try to draw conclusions about how convenient it will be in operation, at least on the basis of what was shown at the Eurosatory exhibition. The main distinguishing feature of their weapons, company representatives consider the "high ergonomics" of the sample, let's try to start with this issue the initial acquaintance with the weapon.

First of all, it should be noted that a sample was created on the basis of the Tavor machine gun, that is, the main feature of this weapon is the bullpup layout. From the point of view of reducing the size of the machine, this is really a plus, but the ease of use of the weapon remains in question, since this layout gives the weapon a lot of flaws that, of course, need to be somehow addressed. One of the main drawbacks of weapons in the bullpup layout is that the release of a spent cartridge case occurs in close proximity to the shooter’s face. This not only makes shooting gas unpleasant because of the powder gases, but also virtually excludes the use of weapons when shooting from the left shoulder, since in such a case the shells will be thrown not just close to the face, but actually just before the bow. It should be borne in mind that the need to use his left hand is not only a problem of left-handers, but also the real need of any soldier who was behind the shelter to his right, well, do not lean out waist-high because of the shelter to fire. This problem was decided by the designers of Versia Military Desing quite traditionally, without further elaboration on how to implement a shotgun release, they just made it possible to switch between the shotgun release windows located on the left and right sides of the weapon. Unfortunately, it is impossible to say exactly how this has been implemented so far; it is not known whether incomplete disassembly of a weapon is required for switching. However, visually there are no switches on the Meron machine for this matter, so either I look inattentively or the task is not completely solved by the designers. In order for the weapon to be convenient for both right-handed and left-handed, the fire mode switch is duplicated on both sides of the machine, which is also the weapon fuse switch. Three-position switch: “Fuse”, “Single fire”, “Automatic fire”. In addition, the handle of the machine is also duplicated on both sides. In addition to these controls, on both sides of the weapon you can find sliders to disassemble the weapon.

An interesting point is that the weapon has an adjustable butt butt, so to speak, for the bullpup layout. It represents a retractable part with push-button fixation, the buttons are located on both sides of the weapon. The cheek stop is also implemented in the same way, which is also height adjustable. The sighting devices of the weapon are open, folding, mounted on a Picatinny-type plate, and additional sighting devices can be mounted on it. In addition to the main strap attachment, on both sides of the weapon there are also additional short ones. Handguards as such, the machine Meron does not have, instead of it a plastic lining is installed, which plays the role of an additional handle or rather an emphasis to hold the weapon. Under this overlay there is a seat for a grenade launcher, as well as a full-fledged handle, which is designed to make them more convenient to use separate models of grenade launchers. In general, it seems to me personally that without this plastic lining the weapon would be more convenient.

The most important feature of the weapon, which immediately catches the eye, is the Meron grip. It is not located at the top of the weapon, as is usually the case, but at the bottom, connecting the pistol grip and an additional hidden grip to hold it. The same handle to hold, according to the designers, assumes the duties of the safety bracket, so they decided to give it up, making the trigger large enough. Perhaps this decision will be convenient if the shooter has an excessive size of his hands or his hands are protected by very thick gloves, but the safety of the weapon, it seems to me, has suffered. Comparing with the same Tavor, immediately increases the size of the contour formed by the arms with the handles and the carrying handle.

The machine shop is fixed with a spring-loaded button behind it. The angle of inclination is such that it ensures the most reliable supply of ammunition, as well as the convenience of its insertion and extraction. The statement is, of course, more than debatable, since, like it or not, this is, by and large, a matter of habit. In general, the location of controls seems quite convenient, so the designers have really tried very hard at something.

The weapon is powered by the same 5,56x45, so to say that the Meron machine will differ in its characteristics from other similar samples. Nevertheless, representatives of the company keep saying about the uniqueness and effectiveness of their weapons without stopping, even involuntarily you begin to think, and suddenly a miracle really happened, but remembering the laws of the market, you quickly go down to the ground, because everyone knows that the louder the advertisement, the more ordinary the product. According to the company, they seriously expect to compete with their model with the best models of small arms, which is quite likely if the money for the promotion of weapons does not run out. Still, whatever one may say, but the cartridge is still the same from which it was already squeezed, if not the maximum, then came close to this. Perhaps, of course, it is still too early to make such statements, but, in my opinion, this machine is still the same Tavor, but wrapped in a different wrapper and presented as a new weapon. It is possible that for someone the new Meron machine will seem really super convenient, but for some reason I am sure that this will be a completely different number of people, different from what Versia Military Desing is counting on.

Let me remind you once again that new weapons and their final characteristics are unknown, most likely, even within the company. The same article does not claim to be a full review of weapons, it is still far from it, but just thinking out loud.
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  1. +5
    15 January 2013 09: 21
    From the point of view of reducing the dimensions of the machine, this is really a plus, but the convenience of operating the weapon remains in question, since such a layout gives the weapon many shortcomings, which, of course, need to be somehow eliminated

    Yuzal Tavor - very convenient.
    but they also practically exclude the use of weapons when firing from the left shoulder, since the shells in this case will be thrown not just close to the face, but actually in front of the shooter's nose.

    It is redone within 5 minutes to eject the sleeve to the other side
    П
    When doing this, consider that the need to use the left hand

    I don’t know what it is about. In Tavor, everything is duplicated under the left hand and does not require reworking the machine.
    Still, whatever one may say, the cartridge is still the same from which they have already squeezed, if not a maximum, then come close to this

    Well, this applies to almost any weapon. replacement for existing cartridges and calibers is not expected. All weapon upgrades consist in ergonomics, attachments, length and various shooting modes
    Once again I say, shot with AK (7.62 and 5.45 - urgent)
    also Galil, M-16, M-14 and Tavor.
    Tavor is without a doubt the most convenient. Yes, and hitch. I have never seen Tavor without a calimator.
    Meron - I haven’t seen it yet, but I think he will surpass Tavor, an adjustable butt and a more convenient socket for a horn - that’s how they say it.
    1. +3
      15 January 2013 11: 33
      Versia Military Design - With the help of plastic half-hull linings made in China, they gave a new, unique look to a solid barrel, YOUNG design engineers!
      "Pukalka" given from the "upgrade" began to shoot at least 10% more heap, or the rate of fire increased by the same 10%, or the resource of the barrel and mechanisms increased?
      Where the grenade launcher is attached, where is the entire range of sighting devices?
      Quote: atalef
      Removing the store - by pressing a button, it is thrown away.

      Equip with an electromagnetic magnetic locking device and then let go arm all NATO laughing
      1. +1
        15 January 2013 11: 48
        The gutter instead of the front lining, on which the second hand rests to hold. Under the cover plate is the mounting bracket. Let’s wait a little longer, either their whole business will stall or it will turn out that in fact this is the same Tavor, as it will be the fastest.
      2. +3
        15 January 2013 11: 58
        Quote: Papakiko
        Where the grenade launcher is attached, where is the entire range of sighting devices?

        Everything that is attached to the Tabor (and this is the entire range of attachments) is attached here too. As for the grenade launcher, just read the article, it’s written.
    2. +1
      15 January 2013 11: 38
      It is redone within 5 minutes to eject the sleeve to the other side

      In Tavor, everything is duplicated under the left hand and does not require reworking the machine.

      Here is the answer to your question smile
  2. 0
    15 January 2013 09: 29
    This not only makes shooting unpleasant due to powder gases, but also virtually eliminates the use of weapons when firing from the left shoulder, since the shells in this case will be thrown out not just close to the face, but actually in front of the shooter's nose.

    The Tabor in 5 minutes is redone under the left-hander and the shells fly in the right direction.

    I don’t understand to whom they are going to sell this device, because Complaints about the inconvenience of the same Tavor were not received. request
    1. +2
      15 January 2013 10: 00
      Like it or not, and if this machine was a girl, then the girl was just sexy good
      1. +6
        15 January 2013 11: 39
        Yeah, such a girl is not bad ... well, you understand, but God forbid marrying her smile
        1. +1
          15 January 2013 15: 25
          Quote: scrabler
          but god forbid marry her smile

          And I would have her right to the registry office ... soldier
          1. +2
            15 January 2013 15: 45
            No, we need a reliable one like scrap, so that it doesn’t hang on the neck with a load of dead, but in any situation, in any conditions smile And beauty is a temporary thing, you will actively use it and there is no beauty already laughing And about the machine or about the girl it is up to you to decide wink
            1. 0
              16 January 2013 11: 24
              Come on, our girls are always at 1 place wink
    2. +4
      15 January 2013 12: 43
      Professor,
      But the pace does not interfere with the operation of the machine? wassat
      But seriously, in Israel there are no gunsmiths (and never was), there are designers ....
      1. Mironk
        +1
        15 January 2013 23: 38
        Well, of course, gunsmiths are all in Izhevsk! Hugo Schmeiser, such an outstanding, purely Russian, designer of small arms, lived there in the second half of the 40s and early 50s. And, it is characteristic, it was during this period that the great Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov created his AK-47. Hence the conclusion: Russia is the birthplace of elephants!
        1. Kir
          +3
          16 January 2013 01: 35
          MironK For the sake of everything, don’t bring nonsense, this is from the series of the fact that everything in Russia-USSR-Russia is better, it’s supposedly either a tracing paper of the West or with the participation, it has been written and rewritten more than once, that Hugo has nothing to do with ours. the only thing I can agree with and only with a reservation, but not my own, are being developed. but the fact that many foreign models are most often not the names of the creators is for sure. but with regards to the fact that there are no gunsmiths in Israel, considering how many former ours there are, is it not a fact, has it been done from scratch or is it based on something else?


          And now the rebus question for Rebus, look at the photo of the so-called benefactors of humanity, the creators of weapons from Western countries, especially the United States, and tell me which ethotype they most resemble, having answered this question for yourself, you can answer other . or reconsider your point of view.
        2. -1
          16 January 2013 01: 59
          What kind of nonsense, do not you say?
          1. Kir
            0
            16 January 2013 02: 16
            If it is addressed to me, I will explain that if Rebus has suspicions that there are gunsmiths in Israel, then why doesn’t it bother us that there are in the United States, do not you begin to deny that some of them are Jews. As they say, a statement of facts without the slightest hint of antisimitism.
            1. +2
              16 January 2013 04: 12
              Not to you, but regarding Hugo.
              As for the gunsmiths in Israel, there are very few Russian-speaking hearts. As in Taasia Avrit. The people began to come to some real positions very recently and still - in minimal quantities. In Israel, there was initially a very good technical school, so most of the developments are due to the pebbles that were laid in the foundation at the beginning of the 20th century.
              1. +1
                14 September 2013 10: 56
                You are mistaken. IWI has approximately 80% of Russian-speaking workers and 20% of the engineering staff. The same goes for IAI. Until 1991 the backbone was composed of immigrants from the USA, England, Romania, Poland and the USSR. I have been working there for a long time and therefore I know the whole background.
          2. Mironk
            -2
            16 January 2013 18: 36
            Uv. Mr. Pupyrchaty, your, not very polite definition of "nonsense", apparently refers to my mention of the work of Hugo Schmeisser in Izhevsk? Sorry, I was mistaken in you! I did not think that this fact is not known to you. However, this gap is not difficult to correct- Take a look at Wikipedia. I think it will become clear to you that it was not kosher on your part to call my words nonsense.
        3. georg737577
          +1
          16 January 2013 17: 47
          Just in "Tavor" and in this Jewish miracle under the new design is hidden the scheme stolen from "AK". The Schmeiser assault rifle differs from AK more than your kosher Galil and Tavor. Don't judge by looks.
          1. +2
            14 September 2013 10: 46
            Our "kosher" Galil is a polished version of the AK that surpasses it in accuracy and convenience. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62kCogWf8BE
    3. - = ALEX = -
      +9
      15 January 2013 13: 21
      Quote: professor
      The Tabor in 5 minutes is redone under the left-hander and the shells fly in the right direction.


      And if you need to get around the obstacle to the right, while firing? For this, they are usually quickly transferred to the left shoulder. The tavor in this regard is useless since it implies the operation of the operator only from the right or only from the left shoulder. In the Russian A-91, this problem is solved.

      Here is a video demonstrating such tactical moments.

      1. -9
        15 January 2013 14: 46
        Communicated on this subject with the IDF chief shooting instructor. He did not notice such a problem. As, however, and users.
        1. - = ALEX = -
          +5
          15 January 2013 16: 04
          Yes, there you practically lie down on the ejection window of the sleeve.



          imagine where the window will be when the shoulder change
  3. avt
    +1
    15 January 2013 09: 53
    Quote: professor
    I don’t understand to whom they are going to sell this device, because no complaints about the inconvenience of the same Tavor

    Maybe I'm wrong, but in my opinion, a fashion tribute has been paid, everyone, almost all, sooner or later make a bullpup version, well, just in case, although in this case with the brand, if it has a shortened version, it looks like a commercial move. But this is so, a view from the side.
    1. +3
      15 January 2013 10: 07
      Quote: avt
      although in this case with the brand, if there is a shortened version, it looks like a commercial move.

      This is not a shortened version, the shortened version is MicroTavor.
    2. 0
      15 November 2016 20: 29
      [quote = avt], everything, almost everyone sooner or later make a bullpup version
      and the French decided to abandon their bullpup
  4. 0
    15 January 2013 10: 12
    This is a concept. The guys, if it is not clear, are engaged in military industrial design, and just like automobile companies present concept cars that have little to do with reality, and are intended for a general look at the future as a whole, and for public relations companies in particular, and here. The guys just want to be talked about, and talked a lot. What is not clear?

    No need to repeat from time to time the theme of transferring fire from one shoulder to another, such as, perhaps, blah blah. The same prejudice wanders from article to article, word for word. It has almost nothing to do with reality.
    1. Tjumenec72
      +3
      15 January 2013 10: 40
      If you are already engaged in conceptual design - so what would you offer new, otherwise the eggs are only in profile)

      PS patsyks in beat3 beat)
      1. Tjumenec72
        0
        15 January 2013 11: 00
        Magpul PDR - by the way, too, a concept
    2. AK-47
      -3
      15 January 2013 10: 51
      Quote: Pimply
      The guys just want to be talked about, and talked a lot.

      Join.
      Another bullshit, like an iron dome, cloud pillar, "Merkava", used to intimidate neighbors.
      1. +4
        15 January 2013 14: 48
        The ability to grind rubbish against the background of not being able to distinguish a concept from real acting samples allows us to form an opinion about the interlocutor.
      2. Mironk
        0
        15 January 2013 23: 46
        I agree to all 100%! The main weapon of our war is the sapper blade and Kuzkina Mother.
    3. +6
      15 January 2013 11: 43
      Well, how is it irrelevant? Fight in the city, you find yourself around the corner of the building to your right, how will you shoot? From the right shoulder, how convenient is it, leaning out from behind the shelter completely or from the left showing the enemy only part of himself? And you say it has nothing to do with reality.
      1. -5
        15 January 2013 14: 55
        Have you ever tried to shoot in such conditions? Often changed a shoulder? The use of such tactics is single. In addition, a reflector is installed on the liner extractor, leading the sleeve forward. There were no complaints on this issue.
        1. tolan777
          +3
          15 January 2013 17: 47
          Have you tried to shoot from different shoulders around the corner? When is the wall on the right and the trigger in front of the weapon? I had a similar situation when I had to grab the fore-end with the right, and, having directed the barrel around the corner, press the left to the descent. How I would have done this with a "bullpup" without exposing my left hand to the enemy behind the wall, I have no idea ...
          1. -3
            15 January 2013 19: 53
            I tried, and more than once. And Tavor held in his hands. Once again - this is garbage, which is repeated from article to article.
            1. +2
              15 January 2013 20: 06
              I’m specially repeating in order to convince you smile Maybe we somehow hold the weapon so that the cartridges interfere there? wink Please note that here the window for ejecting spent cartridges is much closer than in Tavor, which does not change the essence.
              1. -2
                15 January 2013 20: 26
                Oh, so you are talking about this concept? He is not viable. This is exactly the concept. Like a car concept car. Concept cars are not cut across the roads, they are designed to show trends, ideas, and attract attention. In modern versions of the brand, the extraction of shells goes forward from the face
                1. +1
                  15 January 2013 20: 47
                  Honestly, I observed this problem with almost any bullpup, including Tavor. So it's not just about the patient in question. Here is a good example for you:

                  Move to the other shoulder and you can show the "I caught the shell with my teeth" trick. This minus bullpup goes from one weapon to another, somewhere it is pronounced, somewhere not. Please note that the distance from the window for ejection of spent cartridges to the shooter's shoulder is not so great. In short, okay, it's convenient for you, it's not convenient for us, after all, not everyone likes TT either and everyone is comfortable smile I’ll be preparing an article for tomorrow, this time without repeating this shortcoming hi
                  1. 0
                    15 January 2013 21: 18
                    Hold it in your hands and shoot. And also - look at least the video, with X95 - this is the name of the microtavor.
                    1. - = ALEX = -
                      +1
                      16 January 2013 08: 59
                      In Ukraine, Tavor is even produced at a state-owned enterprise of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but special forces refused it, just because of the impossibility of changing the shoulder. For them, a change of shoulder is very important.
                      1. -2
                        16 January 2013 13: 37
                        Refused for a slightly different reason. 5.56
                      2. - = ALEX = -
                        +1
                        17 January 2013 08: 50
                        Absolutely not, the Negev machine gun is used in such a caliber, sniper rifles are also not used in Soviet calibers ...
                      3. -2
                        17 January 2013 23: 48
                        Do you use the Negev in the Ukrainian army? I know that Fort produces it, but did he replace RMB? Sniper cartridges are also a slightly different matter, dear. And not 5.56.
                        Tavor, for the most part, is now being used precisely by special forces of different countries. As a reliable, modern and convenient weapon.
                      4. - = ALEX = -
                        +1
                        19 January 2013 00: 25
                        The special division of the Ministry of Internal Affairs "Omega" uses the Negev, the army does not. The special forces did not like Tavor. Proffies are very demanding they did not fit. 5,56 rounds, respected, is not a problem, as well as sniper cartridges, this is due to the fact that allegedly the special forces of Ukraine refused because of the non-standard caliber. By the way, 5,56x 45 NATO as 9x19 mm Parabellum are also produced in Ukraine.

                        "Tavor, on the other hand, is now used by special forces from different countries. As a reliable, modern and convenient weapon."

                        Oh well..
                        Azerbaijan, Brazil, Vietnam, Georgia, Guatemala, India, Colombia, Po
                      5. -2
                        19 January 2013 00: 35
                        I'll tell you a secret, but many "specialists" in Israel who served with the M-4 also grumble at the "Tavor", but not because of the impossibility of changing the shoulder, there is a cut-off that deflects the sleeve forward, but because of the habit driven into absolute automatism. the classic replacement of stores. But the guys who served with Tavor, therefore, dislike M-4. Therefore, in Israel, whole units, including reservists, go to Tavor.
                  2. 0
                    14 September 2013 11: 36
                    Quote: scrabler
                    Move to the other shoulder and you can show the focus "I caught the shell with my teeth"

                    Tabor is redone for left-hander in 5 min. By the way, what about AK about this? Shot from the left hand from AK? How convenient? Can I redo it?
              2. +1
                14 September 2013 11: 06
                Do not say what you do not know. The ejection of the sleeve goes forward and to the side. And you can see the abscess.
          2. 0
            14 September 2013 11: 04
            Watch the video above.
      2. +1
        14 September 2013 11: 03
        You can shoot from around the corner from this
  5. toguns
    -2
    15 January 2013 10: 15
    negative Goleted show-offs, the machine is not Gothic, and to the glory of the legendary Ak-47 it is like China.
    1. Akim
      +2
      15 January 2013 11: 19
      toguns,
      On one glory you will not go far. Let's see what the Ak-12 will be in use
      1. avt
        +3
        15 January 2013 11: 36
        Quote: Akim
        On one glory you will not go far. Let's see what the Ak-12 will be in use
        Better is the enemy of a good, off-topic article, but I am also embarrassed by trying to squeeze something else out of the AK. But let's see what happens.
      2. +1
        15 January 2013 16: 22
        Quote: Akim
        Let's see what the Ak-12 will be in use

        No way. He will not enter the troops.
  6. avt
    +8
    15 January 2013 10: 45
    Quote: toguns
    Goleted show-offs, the machine is not Gothic, and to the glory of the legendary Ak-47 it is like China.
    Well, what’s the matter with it? Leave your friend alone AK, he has already proved everything to himself for a long time and does not need protection! Discuss the specific model of weapons presented in the article and the article itself, if there is anything to say about the shortcomings in the machine, I will listen with pleasure, only specifically in mechanics and use. I only saw this in the pictures and I don’t presume to define it or something else.
    1. Tjumenec72
      +9
      15 January 2013 10: 55
      Husky man collects, do not break off raspberries)
    2. toguns
      +1
      15 January 2013 12: 21
      Quote: avt
      Well, what’s the matter with it? Leave your friend alone AK, he has already proved everything to himself for a long time and does not need protection!

      this machine, I mean Israeli, has nothing, and they are already throwing such statements that they will become the best.
      Quote: avt
      Discuss the specific model of weapons presented in the article and the article itself, if there is anything to say about the shortcomings in the machine, I will listen with pleasure, only specifically in mechanics and use.

      But is there any point in discussing this sample ???
      if he does not take part in conflicts "I will not take the Jewish army seriously, in fact their concept of warfare based on high-precision weapons and the collection and analysis of information is fighting in the Jewish army, thanks to usa for that).
      with a similar weapon, the Georgians fought against us, they had a TAR-21, and what did it especially help them ??? I think no :)
      in fact, all these dances with a tambourine are that Meron and TAR-21 are special forces, but
      there are not many special forces.
      The output of this automaton is as it were, but its application is clearly limited.
      This machine gun is suitable for high-tech armies, and these armies are only 3-5 pieces all over the world and each of these countries already has its own machine gun. Sell ​​to the Zulu ???
      I think the effect of this will not be much, it's still not Kalash.
      Quote: avt
      I only saw this in the pictures and I don’t presume to define it or something else.

      this is your trouble, you need to see not in the pictures.
      1. -4
        15 January 2013 14: 58
        The Georgians did not fight with the Tavors. Tavors were armed units that did not take part in the clashes.

        You decide what you are discussing: Tavor or this concept.

        At the moment, Tavor is in service in 15 countries. In Thailand and India in quantities of several tens of thousands.
        1. 0
          15 November 2016 20: 45
          Yes, and therefore frantic what. your country was attacked and reached 30 km from the capital, but you never put up military units with a super duper machine gun (tavor) to defend the country. the question is why?
  7. +6
    15 January 2013 11: 03
    I don’t know gentlemen, as you, but it seems to me that the good is always better than the tuned one, and this alteration is just tuning and so excellent weapons
    1. +2
      15 January 2013 11: 46
      I support with arms and legs smile
  8. +3
    15 January 2013 11: 17
    I’m interested, but under this plastic you are dust, dirt and other vital products will not clog? how such a weapon would have shown itself, for example, in Vietnam, dampness and so on, and in battles, even if everything is perfectly fitted, plastic will crack somewhere and something else is formed, I myself am not a military man recently very impressed with our T72 in Syria, pieces defenses on them hang all the singers ... from all sides but continue to carry out their tasks, Kalash is also from about the same opera, but how will such a machine gun behave? Are there any experts?
    1. +5
      15 January 2013 12: 50
      Also, it’s never special, but the fact that even the latest Kalash did not receive a plastic receiver says a lot. Despite the total distribution of such toys since the G-36, there is a lot of dull grunts of Western warriors about their unsuitability. They do not keep an intense rate of fire, the position of sighting devices is lost, details are loosened. It seems to me that many are simply afraid to criticize in the open - jokes are bad with mega-corporations.
      Beautiful toys, no doubt, I have an airsoft drive at home G-36, but I would prefer Kalash in battle - definitely.
      1. borisst64
        +4
        15 January 2013 13: 43
        One of the factors of failure of an automatic weapon is overheating. It is not clear how this is decided in the weapon of the layout of the bullap. Heat is either not transferred through plastic, or meat from the palms for lunch can be served.
        1. +2
          15 January 2013 13: 46
          Quote: borisst64
          . Heat is either not transferred through plastic, or meat from the palms for lunch can be served.

          A strange question, in general, in the plastic of the window for cooling, look carefully at the photos.
          http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/guns/images/17686469/title/tavor-21-photo
      2. +1
        15 January 2013 23: 04
        And I would prefer a crowbar.
    2. Kir
      +4
      15 January 2013 15: 06
      What’s called a little chemist, what can I tell you in response to this, that all the same, it’s more about composites, this is the first, secondly, you do not need to drop the polymers themselves from the shields, they are not only organic, it’s only a matter of that in terms of quality + efficiency will be more profitable? This is really a question, but in general, frankly, there is a belief that soon most materials will be grown with predetermined properties. And with regards to overheating, and carbon fiber, let me what? look at what temperatures he holds, and by strength characteristics, look, the same Ka-50 / Ka-52 helicopter blades from what material are made?
    3. Sleptsoff
      -5
      15 January 2013 18: 31
      Now, the strength of plastics is no worse than metal, you don’t need to talk about lightness, but it will also clog dust under the metal. By the way, I was also impressed with the t-72 in Syria, especially how well they burn well from the only hit of an RPG, I think you should not overestimate this tank.
      1. 0
        15 November 2016 20: 53
        if you trust the grenade to the monkey, what is the likelihood that it will cope?
        Where did you see the Russian t-72 in Syria? do not confuse with export options where yours may not be anything (customer's request)
        with RPG any tank of the world burns. on that it and RPG.
  9. +2
    15 January 2013 12: 50
    It looks futuristic, but if made on the basis of the brand, then the characteristics will be similar. And pay only for the appearance, then hardly anyone wants to. It seems to me that this toy is expensive
    1. +1
      15 January 2013 15: 00
      This is a concept. Atelier engaged in industrial military design, shows the CONCEPT and advertises itself.
      1. 0
        15 January 2013 23: 08
        Pimply, why are you campaigning for them? Everyone sees what he wants to see.
  10. +1
    15 January 2013 12: 59
    Yes, here’s what I’m still thinking, as much plastic as it is light but still overweight, it will certainly work for the parade, but how to fight? Very convenient, again, the author of the article wrote that the departure of cartridges is switched from right to left, someone in the commentary indicated that this is done on the brand in five minutes, by the standards of the battle it happens a lot, and it turns out either to die or by cartridges in person. The weapon should not be beautiful; it should combine reliability, convenience and efficiency, and convenience in my opinion should be in third place. weapons should consist of a minimum of parts and weigh optimally.
    My subjective opinion
    1. -1
      15 January 2013 15: 00
      Tavor fights quite effectively. Same as in the pictures - a concept, and no more. Concepts to the actual embodiment of the relationship have little.
  11. +2
    15 January 2013 13: 20
    Quote: Slevinst
    for the parade, of course it will do, but how to fight

    All weapons purchased by the IDF are at war, and small arms are generally constant. While Tavor was accepted into the Army - 8 years of experience and refinement.
    Quote: Slevinst
    switching from right to left, someone in the commentary indicated that on the brand it is done in five minutes, by the standards of the battle it happens a lot,

    Is there another option? By the way, the liners fly neither in the face, but before, it’s inconvenient, but tolerable in critical situations (if there is no time to redo it for left-handed people)
    1. - = ALEX = -
      +3
      15 January 2013 13: 25
      Quote: atalef
      Is there another option?


      There is! Automatic grenade launcher system A-91.
    2. +2
      15 January 2013 14: 05
      Thanks for the comment, but where else is this weapon fighting, if so, where and how? I haven’t been to Israel, but as far as I know, dirt is rarely infrequently mostly rocky, I mean that Kalash can fight everywhere and there are no problems with it, from sand to swamps, Israelis fight but their war is almost like a parade in my opinion, they fought for a day; they cleaned their arms, rested in a day again, and if you need to be on the march with battles for several days, while it rains then the sun. the forest, the village, how the Taurus behaves in a similar situation, the reliability of Kalash is legendary, are there any analogues in terms of reliability and unpretentiousness?
      1. 0
        15 January 2013 14: 22
        Quote: Slevinst
        Thanks for the comment, but where else is this weapon fighting, if so, where and how?

        Countries Using TAR-21
        Azerbaijani Army Special Forces with TAR-21. Parade in Baku 2011 of the year
        Azerbaijan: in August 2008, a number of machine guns were purchased for special units of the Azerbaijani armed forces. [7]
        Brazil: licensed by Taurus. [8]
        Vietnam [9] [10]
        Georgia: since 2006 of the year, the Georgian army received ~ 7000 TAR-21 assault rifles of various options for a total of $ 65 million [11] within the framework of the military support agreement; at least 1300 assault rifles were received by the beginning of the war in South Ossetia [12]
        Guatemala: Police. [13]
        Israel: Used by the teams of Givati, Golani and Kfir, as well as some special forces. In 2010, the transition of the Nahal brigade to the TAR-21 began as part of the process of re-equipping all ground units. The TC-21 carbine is used by a special unit of the Israeli prison service.
        India: At the end of the 2002 year, India entered into a contract for the supply of 3 070 TAR-21 for use in special forces. By 2005, IMI had delivered 350 — 400 TAR-21. However, they showed unsatisfactory results. IMI made the necessary changes and the 2006 tests of the year in Israel were successful. Tavors are currently in service.
        Colombia: Used by AFEUR Colombian Special Forces. [14]
        Portugal: Special Police Units. [15] [16]
        Thailand [17] [18]
        Ukraine: Yuriy Lutsenko, Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine, announced on October 1 of 2008 that IMI and the Ukrainian company Fort will jointly manufacture TAR-21 assault rifles, which will be commissioned by the Armed Forces and special units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. [19] [20 ] Which was partially implemented. TAR-21 is produced at the Fort factory under the name "Fort - 221" [21] partially from Israeli components in the military and civilian versions (USM without automatic fire mode), but was hardly purchased by the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
        Philippines [22]

        Quote: Slevinst
        I haven’t been to Israel, but as far as I know, dirt is rarely infrequently mostly rocky


        Somewhere there was a link to a video about testing a brand in water, mud, sand, could not find --- google TAVOR 21 sure you will find
        Yfi`k
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndBcJhQuafU
        1. +1
          15 January 2013 14: 44
          troops and special detachments didn’t count; they always had a specific weapon, and as a rule, convenience (short-term) and lightness usually came in the first place. specifics for special operations. I basically talked about mass troops, infantry, or something like that.
          1. 0
            15 January 2013 15: 03
            The tavor is convenient and quite reliable.



            Same as pictured - concept
        2. +3
          15 January 2013 20: 43
          The video is about nothing. On the first video there is one chatter, on the second it is not a mud test, a fiction! lol
          1. 0
            15 January 2013 21: 19
            Well, then any Kalash videos are also fiction?
          2. +3
            16 January 2013 02: 03
            Well, if you need something to test for reliability, then we go through twice a year for specks taking among the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, let the guys run 12 km including a swamp, ditches with mud, etc., and then we'll see if it’s a miracle of arms thought to shoot or not )))
            1. +2
              16 January 2013 02: 57
              And this will be the most honest and competent weapon test smile
            2. -2
              16 January 2013 04: 16
              If you think that in other armies there are no trials that are similar in meaning and complexity, then you are mistaken. Once a week on the KMB a six-month march is made in the same Israeli infantry. As a rule - not in the most sugar places.
              Somewhere in the months of 4-5 in Israel it rains. Humidity, dirt, etc. In India, Vietnam, Thailand, the weather is also not sugar.
      2. -4
        15 January 2013 15: 02
        Only in 15 countries. Thailand and India purchased in quantities of several tens of thousands of trunks each of the countries.
  12. +3
    15 January 2013 13: 42
    Quote: - = ALEX = -
    There is! Automatic grenade launcher system A-91.

    Well, the extraction of cartridges forward is also on the FL (F2000 bull pop), unlike the a-91, it was adopted (by the way, the cartridges were thrown forward and on the MAXIM machine gun. So that the circuit is not new and nothing needs to be invented). There is probably a lot shortcomings in this system. except the Belgians (and even the special forces) no one has adopted such a system.
  13. tolan777
    +4
    15 January 2013 15: 38
    It looks like another Israeli bullshit.
    I generally do not approve of the bullpup layout, for AK the store changes in less than two seconds, while for the Meron it will hardly be possible: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TNZ0fk4IqY

    Well, I wonder if it is possible to use twin stores, accelerating reloading at times. I look at the photo of the sanctuary and I am more and more inclined to think that it is not.
    1. Mironk
      +2
      16 January 2013 00: 19
      Regarding the quick change of the store. In 73m, when the Israeli landing force was clearing the fortifications on Gollan, the battle took place in the conditions of cramped bunkers and underground communications, and after the war, when analyzing the actions of the parties, the General Staff Commission came to the conclusion that one of the components of the victory of the Israelis in this battle was that the paratroopers armed at that time with the "Uzi" patrol stations had the opportunity to change the store faster than the Syrians armed with AK-47s. he had a lot. The current generation of Israeli small arms is a completely different song ...
    2. +1
      14 September 2013 11: 14
      These Israeli bullshit defeated Russian weapons in 3 wars.
  14. SA23WSGFG
    -2
    15 January 2013 19: 20
    Have you heard the news? The Russian authorities are already insolent in the end. They made this database
    http://guardlink.org/4wQyl1
    where you can find information about any resident of the Baltic countries.
    really was very surprised
    there are a lot of interesting things about me (addresses, phone numbers, even my photos are different
    character) - I wonder where they dug up this. In general, there are good sides - this
    Information can be deleted from the site.
    I advise you to hurry, you never know how to fumble there ...
  15. 0
    15 January 2013 20: 34
    And I like the design of this "body kit". I don't see anything ergonomic in it.
  16. DuraLexSedLex.
    0
    16 January 2013 00: 28
    Satya is interesting, the kit is cool, the author is a hammer that paid attention to this product. But there are too many IMHO (about the overlay on the mount of the grenade launcher, you can shove the handle instead of it, or remove its desire — the shooter is the law in this weapon), and quite controversial facts such as extraction of the sleeve, not duplicated buttons there, these are the main diseases of this scheme and are successfully combating it, and THIS specimen should be a proof of this. Proof of PERSONALIZATION of the barrel for the needs of a SPECIFIC shooter.
    Someone mentioned that this is a concept about the trend of the times, I personally agree, but I see its adoption into service in small batches)
    The trunk is pinned))) I would love to hold it, I silently shoot about it in general)))))
  17. 0
    16 January 2013 08: 14
    Something doesn’t Tavor, they cannot lobby for Russia. Do not know who to give?
  18. georg737577
    0
    16 January 2013 17: 54
    In the Belgian FN2000, the problem of "changing the shoulder" has long been solved - the extracted sleeve is thrown forward through a special channel, parallel to the barrel. And ergonomically, the Belgian is an order of magnitude higher, despite the fact that the development is still in the 90s ... So - they were not surprised ...
  19. +1
    16 January 2013 18: 57
    the Jewish stavor-shmavor reminds ... in short, the good old Belgian P 90, the Israelis again were Jewish ...
    1. +2
      14 September 2013 11: 19
      gunman, you shouldn't have taken this login for yourself, because you understand weapons like a grunt in oranges, comparing "Tavor" with "P-90".
  20. darks-7
    +1
    18 January 2013 14: 02
    ... according to Western experts, the AK-47 is the best weapon in the world .... in the original instead of dots, it is written ... for peasants!
    1. Mironk
      -2
      18 January 2013 18: 13
      What kind of experts decided this? More specifically, please ...
  21. NI1ZA2ZA3
    0
    9 May 2013 19: 59
    good day to all. they’d make a bullpup of 5,56-45 caliber but with a magazine like the p90. maybe the balance of this arrangement has become better and better cartridges somewhere 40pcs. and from below the cover would be removed and a standard magazine from m-16 would be inserted (behind the pistol grip). and the sleeve would fly out like on fn-2000.
  22. NI1ZA2ZA3
    0
    9 May 2013 20: 09
    good day to all. they’d make a bullpup of 5,56-45 caliber but with a magazine like the p90. maybe the balance of this arrangement has become better and better cartridges somewhere 40pcs. and from below the cover would be removed and a standard magazine from m-16 would be inserted (behind the pistol grip). and the sleeve would fly out like on fn-2000.
  23. NI1ZA2ZA3
    0
    9 May 2013 20: 12
    good day to all. they’d make a bullpup of 5,56-45 caliber but with a magazine like the p90. maybe the balance of this arrangement has become better and better cartridges somewhere 40pcs. and from below the cover would be removed and a standard magazine from m-16 would be inserted (behind the pistol grip). and the sleeve would fly out like on fn-2000.
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