Where should Tajikistan put its independence? ..

We continue the cycle of articles devoted to how the former republics of the USSR are mastered with independence and use the declared freedom they have for their own development and prosperity. Some time ago on the "Military Review" published materials on the economic and political achievements of Latvia and Moldova. Today we will consider such a state as Tajikistan, which appeared on the geopolitical map of the world 9 September 1991.




Until secession from the Soviet Union, Tajikistan was in it as one of the republics since December 1929. More specifically, the territory that now represents the Republic of Tajikistan (RT) entered the USSR five years earlier, that is, in 1924 of the year; only there was no such thing as the Tajik SSR from 1924 to 1929 for years, since Tajikistan itself represented autonomy over the territory of the Uzbek SSR during these years.

Despite the fact that the Tajik nation is considered by historians to be one of the oldest nations inhabiting Eurasia, the Tajiks did not have their own state in the full understanding of this word for many centuries. The development of the territory, which is now Tajikistan, took place in the format of either joint rule of Tajik and other dynasties (at best), or in the format of large-scale foreign influence. And whether our Central Asian neighbors themselves sought complete independence is a big question ...

If we consider the history Tajikistan, it can be noted that the very concept of Tajikistan as an independent state appears on the world map in September 1991, when the republic was separated from the USSR. It can be said that the Tajiks were an independent people with their own state, at least at one more stage of their development, namely in 1929, when the Tajik SSR was born, but this education a little over a year later joined the Soviet Union.

It is from 1991 that the “triumphal” march of the Republic of Tajikistan begins as an independent state, which received its sovereignty. However, they did not have time in Dushanbe to realize that in the hands of the authorities, unexpectedly for many, the reins of government were without the need to “coordinate with the Center,” as these powers were immediately snatched from the hands of the country's first president, Rakhmon Nabiyev. It came to a bloody civil war that broke out in 1992, which led to the actual separation of the RT into spheres of influence of certain clans and groups. The clan struggle for the levers of governing the country led to the fact that for more than five years Tajikistan was trying to feel the ground under their feet, but the confrontation of the parties was noticeably aggravated, causing a severe blow to the economy.

The protracted civil war in Tajikistan, which is considered to have ended in 1997, caused enormous damage to this Central Asian country, not only economically, but also in terms of political and social. Only in the first six months of independence, Tajikistan, during an internal conflict, killed about 18 thousands of people killed, more than 70 thousands wounded. In addition, total emigration began from the Republic. About a hundred thousand Russian families were forced to leave Tajikistan. And if we take into account that the majority of Russians in Tajikistan were represented by layers of highly intelligent population (intellectuals) involved in the development of virtually all spheres of life: from education and medicine to industrial production, then you can imagine what loss the Republic suffered from the beginning of the mass departure of its population milestone at the start of 90's.

The situation was aggravated by the fact that at this very moment Islamists were rushing to power in the newly independent Tajikistan, positioning themselves as the United Tajik Opposition (UTO). In order to have an idea about whom the official authorities of Tajikistan fought against, one can cite some segments of the Tajik opposition of the 90 model.

The UTO included the Islamic Renaissance Party, headed by a man like Said Abdullo Nuri. Nuri is known for the fact that even during the existence of the Soviet Union, he was persecuted for trying to spread Islamist literature on the territory of Central Asia. In 1974, Nuri organized an organization called Nakhzati Islomi, which consisted of local young people engaged in outright extremist propaganda, which was issued as an activity of reviving Islam. What sense was this Islam can be guessed at least by the fact that the party that was later created by Said Abdullo Nuri was actively supported by representatives of the Taliban movement, as well as other Islamist movements that developed not without outside help in Afghanistan. By the way, it was the Taliban during the civil war in Tajikistan that provided armed support to their "brothers" from the united Tajik opposition. And whoever was behind the Taliban in its time, many are well aware ...

In this regard, it can be said that at the beginning of 90, certain political forces in the world apparently had plans to use the Islamist resource in the form of the Taliban and other similar "comrades" who actively showed themselves during the Soviet period in Afghanistan to solve their tasks due to the same activity and north of the Panj River. First - in Tajikistan, and then - where will the curve of financial support and ambitions of the Islamists themselves lead.

The greatest activity on the part of militants from Afghanistan during the continuation of the civil war in Tajikistan was observed in 1993-1994, when in fact the only force capable of repelling the Mujahideen's attack was the Russian border guards in RT.

For almost 4 years in the United Nations, the opposing sides tried to reconcile (or pretend to try), but this did not bring any tangible results. Advances toward peace began to manifest only when frictions first arose in the camp of the Tajik opposition itself, and then there was a split. This allowed the central Tajik authorities headed by President Emomali Rakhmonov (Rakhmon, as you know, he became a little later) with the active support of Russia and a number of other CIS states to bring the situation to relative stability.

However, the word "stability" here can be used with great stretch. Despite the fact that the civil war in the country ended more than 15 years ago, the economy of Tajikistan is still in the real ruins. If someone on this account has a different opinion, then this opinion can easily split the figures presented below.

Today, the Republic of Tajikistan is officially recognized as the poorest country among all the republics of the former USSR. According to the World Bank and the IMF, the annual level of per capita GDP in Tajikistan today is no more than $ 900. According to this indicator, Tajikistan is not far from such countries of the world as Lesotho and Chad. Even a state like Haiti, which has experienced a terrible natural disaster and the hardest change of power, is a couple of steps higher in the ranking of countries in terms of nominal per capita GDP.

True, there are statistics of official departments of Tajikistan, which states that the GDP per capita here is about $ 2000. However, the official statistics of the authorities are official statistics of the authorities, and how far it can be far from reality is well known ... In general, in order to obtain relatively objective data on the size of per capita GDP, you probably need to find the average value between the indicators of the IMF and the statistical agencies of Tajikistan itself .

Tajikistan’s foreign debt at the end of 2012 was about 2,1 billion dollars, which corresponds to about 33-34% of the country's GDP. The figure is relatively not high, but the economy of Tajikistan, honestly, is far from monumentality ...

Unemployment rates, which are published by Tajik economists, correspond to 11-12% of the working-age population. How realistic is this figure ... If it were objective and realistic, then why is Tajikistan in the last place in terms of economic development among all CIS countries? ..

Representatives of the Agrarian and Communist Parties of Tajikistan call the number, which is about 2, -2,5 times higher. At the same time, both ruling power elites and oppositionists agree that the greatest unemployment in the Republic of Tajikistan is manifested in the age range of 16-25 years. In other words, young people in Tajikistan simply do not have the opportunity to realize themselves in a particular workplace, which leads to substantial labor migration.

The largest number of labor migrants from Tajikistan are sent to the Russian Federation in search of a place to earn money. Even the head of the organization “Tajik labor migrants” Karomat Sharipov cannot say about the exact number of migrants from Tajikistan in Russia. According to him, about 1,5 of millions of Tajik citizens live in Russia today. If we consider that the population of the Republic of Tajikistan is about 7,5 million people, it turns out that 20% of all residents of the Central Asian republic live in Russia. This is just a huge number!

It is not difficult to guess that most of the citizens of the Republic of Tajikistan who arrived in Russia with the aim of finding a job do not have high professional qualifications. According to the same organization, “Tajik labor migrants” in the territory of the Russian Federation, only 4,8% of Tajiks are engaged in so-called high-tech areas. More than 87% of arrivals from the Republic of Tatarstan are engaged in construction, trade and management services. The seasonal nature of migration leads to the fact that during the period from April to October, the number of migrant workers from Tajikistan in Russia can be 2-2,5 times higher than in the winter period.

Surprisingly, the aforementioned Karomat Sharipov, with such an influx of his compatriots in Russia, also manages to criticize the Russian side, which, they say, cannot provide the “guests” with everything necessary, including proper housing and social security. Mr. Sharipov, in an interview with the Russian BBC service, said that in Russia many visiting Tajiks are used, almost as a slave force. Moreover, it turns out that Russia is also to blame for something else: children and wives in Tajikistan are waiting for their fathers and husbands from Russia to go home, and you see, they disappear in our country, and the police (Russian) often do not take steps to search for ". At the same time, Sharipov is not at all embarrassed by the fact that in most cases the “disappeared” themselves do not wish to return home, having acquired new families in Russia. And, besides, Karomat Bakoevich also forgets that many Tajik labor migrants violate the immigration rules without a twinge of conscience and are trying to actively avoid accounting in the FMS and other supervisory services. But did the BBC ever care?

In general, today Tajikistan is a unique state that, in fact, produces labor in order for this force to realize itself in external territories, primarily in Russia (more than 90% of all Tajik migrants go here). The same labor significantly feeds the budget of the Republic of Tajikistan. By the way, Tajikistan occupies the absolute first place in the world for the contribution of migrant workers traveling abroad in the country's GDP. For the 2012 year, almost 3,4 billion dollars were transferred from Russia to Tajikistan, which is about 50% of GDP in RT. Half of GDP at the expense of migrant workers! Yes, this is the real national personnel leasing!

It turns out that the independence of Tajikistan is also a peculiar concept. Today it is declared, perhaps, by the Constitution of the country ... And in fact ...
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  1. Veter 15 January 2013 08: 55 New
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    What kind of independence? From whom? Independence is preceded by occupation. But the invaders do not build roads, hospitals, industry, do not preserve language and culture. All these celebrations of independence days in all the "former" republics make me laugh. In addition, Russia celebrates this "holiday". From whom are we freed ??? The complete nonsense !!! Plus one and this is a day off)))
    1. Vladimirets 15 January 2013 09: 41 New
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      Quote: Veter
      In addition, Russia celebrates this "holiday".

      Russia does not celebrate Independence Day, you need to know your holidays.
      1. Veter 15 January 2013 10: 03 New
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        Quote: Vladimirets
        Independence Day is not celebrated in Russia


        Russia Day, or the Day of the adoption of the Declaration on State Sovereignty of Russia, as this holiday was called until 2002, is one of the "youngest" public holidays in the country.
        1. Vladimirets 15 January 2013 16: 29 New
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          Quote: Veter
          Russia Day, or the Day of the adoption of the Declaration on State Sovereignty of Russia, as this holiday was called until 2002, is one of the "youngest" public holidays in the country.

          Wikipedia: “Due to the presence in the former name of the holiday, the words“ sovereignty ”are often called“ Independence Day ”on June 12. So, during a sociological survey conducted by the Levada Center since 1998, this opinion was expressed by 65% ​​of respondents in 2003 ( maximum) to 36% in 2012 (minimum) [5]. In fact, in official documents the holiday has never been so named. "
          Therefore, I say that Russia does not celebrate Independence Day, you can minus it further.
    2. Illuminati
      Illuminati 15 January 2013 09: 48 New
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      Quote: Veter
      What kind of independence? From whom? Independence is preceded by occupation. But the invaders do not build roads, hospitals, industry, do not preserve language and culture. All these celebrations of independence days in all the "former" republics make me laugh. In addition, Russia celebrates this "holiday". From whom are we freed ??? The complete nonsense !!! Plus one and this is a day off)))

      Yes, indeed, from whom she received Independence on June 12.
      From whom all republics gained independence.
    3. Egen 15 January 2013 10: 14 New
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      Quote: Veter
      From whom we freed

      so it’s also Zadornov said: Independence Day is the day we elected the president, and nothing began to depend on us :)))

      In general, the article is a bit interesting in terms of politics, but if we add the economy - what is produced there besides dirty cotton and raisins with pebbles, what kind of economic relations are - it would be generally interesting. Somewhere I met that in all three republics - Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan - our Gazprom is drilling wells, but for what, on what rights / conditions and why not in the know.
    4. Karlsonn 15 January 2013 12: 57 New
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      Veter hi

      I propose to pay Emomali Rakhmonov and his gang a small share, and buy to buy this useless Tajikistan; Well, the Japanese city man - enough to suffer!
      and on the border of Tajikistan, a five-meter wall with automatic machine guns, aircraft guns and mines angry let the amers afghan gerych carry to their home am .
      1. leon-iv 15 January 2013 15: 17 New
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        dragged bastards anyway.
        BUT in the SA too many people need to arrange a good civil war.
        1. Karlsonn 15 January 2013 15: 20 New
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          leon-iv

          if there was a will - figs would be dragged.

          Quote: leon-iv
          BUT in the SA too many people need to arrange a good civil war.


          Are you seriously? Want a full-blown war and us on the border? belay
          1. leon-iv 15 January 2013 15: 36 New
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            Og. This will be in the future better than uncontrolled game play and an avalanche-like population growth. The fewer people in the SA, the better we will be.
            1. Karlsonn 15 January 2013 16: 45 New
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              Quote: leon-iv
              The fewer people in the SA, the better we will be.


              figsebe belay what are your butchery habits. no
              1. leon-iv 15 January 2013 18: 10 New
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                And you drop humanism and be realistic. Also count resources.
                1. Karlsonn 15 January 2013 18: 57 New
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                  leon-iv laughing

                  Quote: leon-iv
                  And you drop humanism and be realistic.

                  laughing
                  You misunderstood me, humanism and I are diametrical opposites, and this is my hereditary one.


                  Quote: leon-iv
                  Also count resources.


                  yeah, let's count, but do not forget to keep in mind the fact that the "kings" of Central Asia are constantly blackmailing us with amers and amers, why the hell are we at NATO bases? this time wink
                  You really can’t imagine what will happen if there is a war in Central Asia? well, there are dozens, if not hundreds of thousands of refugees, drawing geyrops and amers into this conflict is a start. these are two yes
                  Well, maybe you do not need Tajikistan, but I would buy hi for a whole bunch of reasons. it's three bully
                  1. az9900
                    az9900 18 January 2013 12: 13 New
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                    "do we have a NATO base on our side?" To fuck you!
                    1. ballonoved
                      ballonoved 13 July 2013 02: 21 New
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                      Come to Russia, we will fuck you like that!
            2. romb 15 January 2013 17: 01 New
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              And you didn’t think that in the event of a war between the countries of Central Asia, with high probability large-scale interethnic conflicts could also erupt in Russia, as due to certain circumstances on its territory are several million Central Asians?
              1. leon-iv 15 January 2013 17: 55 New
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                more than sure. But here is the task of VV. They have no chance.
                1. az9900
                  az9900 18 January 2013 12: 16 New
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                  "more than sure. But here is the task of VV. They have no chances." Most likely you have no chance as drunks with a big liver will be able to fight. So, take Vanyusha vodyaru and go thump and not much.
                  1. ballonoved
                    ballonoved 13 July 2013 02: 29 New
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                    Not all Russians are drunks. So, and here you, DEAR, were paid.
            3. az9900
              az9900 18 January 2013 12: 09 New
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              leon-iv, And it says a representative of a nation that is going to die out! You and without any wars will soon end you will all rest from alcohol, drugs and HIV.
              What are you going to do except vodka, oil and gas, you have nothing left.
              1. ballonoved
                ballonoved 13 July 2013 02: 39 New
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                There are enough Russians in Russia so far. There will be no "end" to us, the Russians. How would you not want that. YOU WILL NOT GET IT!
                We have a lot of things besides vodka, gas and oil. Come to Russia, we’ll give you such an “excursion” here that until the end of your life you will be afraid to look askance towards the Russians!
        2. Borat
          Borat 16 January 2013 09: 05 New
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          Quote: leon-iv
          BUT in the SA too many people need to arrange a good civil war.

          Arrange those as the best of it for yourself and even better personally for yourself and spend lobotamia so that you think less especially about stupid things.
          1. leon-iv 16 January 2013 09: 27 New
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            Oga Toka, unlike Russia, you slide back into the 16th century.
            1. az9900
              az9900 18 January 2013 12: 18 New
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              And you disappear
              1. ballonoved
                ballonoved 13 July 2013 02: 27 New
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                No, it's YOU DISAPPEARING.
    5. knn54 17 January 2013 22: 43 New
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      Add the lives of Russian soldiers who defeated the Kokand Khanate in the 18th century and liberated Tajiks, Kyrgyz, and Uzbeks from centuries of slavery.
      PS More recently (I don’t know now) a Russian (Slavic) specialist was given an apartment in Dushanbe without a queue.
  2. Apollo 15 January 2013 09: 07 New
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    quote-It turns out that the independence of Tajikistan is also a peculiar concept. Today it is declared, except that, by the Constitution of the country ... But in fact ...

    Alexey for this conclusion alone good I'm not talking about the article. Let the comrades from sunny Tajikistan do not take offense at me, but in my understanding the independence of this republic is ephemeral. I am not gloating, on the contrary, this is the misfortune of the entire state of Tajikistan. Until now, the republic is experiencing all the consequences of that civil war. to pay tribute to Russia that it prevented a civil war, otherwise Tajikistan would have lost its statehood in the literal and figurative sense of the word. I’m no longer writing about what would happen if the Taliban would come there. L provided by Russia can not continue indefinitely, slaves of the local elite rolled up their sleeves to get down to work and carry out reforms in the country. Otherwise, the republic will simply become bankrupt.
    1. Alexander Romanov 15 January 2013 09: 23 New
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      It turns out that the independence of Tajikistan is also a peculiar concept. Today it is declared, perhaps, by the Constitution of the country ... And in fact ...

      Hi Apollo, but in fact, dependence on all counts !!! All the power of Tajikistan rests on our bayonets, when we see a new warrior for power starts from there and in the country. There is no independence and cannot be there. There is a buy who lives well and tells everyone about the beautiful country of Tajikistan and that's it. Yes and buy too henchman from outside, they want in Moscow - change hi
      1. Apollo 15 January 2013 10: 00 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Hi Apollo, but in fact, dependence on all counts !!! All the power of Tajikistan rests on our bayonets, when we see a new warrior for power starts from there and in the country. There is no independence and cannot be there. There is a buy who lives well and tells everyone about the beautiful country of Tajikistan and that's it. Yes and buy too henchman from outside, they want in Moscow - change


        I welcome you Alexander hi ! Without Russia, the path of Tajikistan to nowhere! IMHO
        1. Alexander Romanov 15 January 2013 10: 16 New
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          without Russia, Tajikistan’s road to nowhere!

          There Islamists will quickly gain power with US assistance and poppy plantations will bloom year-round hi
          1. Apollo 15 January 2013 10: 42 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            There Islamists will quickly gain power with US assistance and poppy plantations will bloom year-round


            The matter will not be limited to poppy, Tajikistan will be a springboard for the advancement of militants into the depths of Central Asia, so poppy will really seem like a flower compared to berries.
      2. virm 15 January 2013 13: 36 New
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        However, this did not stop Tajikistan from wiping its feet about the Russian Federation in the incident: the Tajik drug dealer (relative of the buyer) - Russian pilots.
        The pilots were mocked for several months, until the drug dealer was released. Withdrawing all the charges. In my opinion, they didn’t even give up the planes.
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny 15 January 2013 13: 49 New
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          and the planes belonged to Russia ???
  3. JonnyT 15 January 2013 09: 16 New
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    What to do with what is not ???? There is a dependence on investment and resources! And those in power do not care for nat. an idea. The states will come, under the states they will fall, Russia will come, under Russia, China will come, under China they will lie. The main thing is not to offend and more benefits. And he will remain in the buy-out in any situation. The main thing is not to touch the buy and then there will be a rapprochement with any country that has provided the most favorable conditions!
  4. vladds
    vladds 15 January 2013 09: 29 New
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    Weird! The Russians are fully involved in the international mixer! and why the Russians do not go to warm Tajikistan and do not settle in the warm regions?
    to populate them with 20% of the Russian population! :)
    1. Cadets 15 January 2013 10: 35 New
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      And you ask why 100 does not have Russians living in Tajikistan with thousands of Russian families who fled from the massacre, abandoning their homes. Tajiks in Tajikistan (especially young people) and guest workers here behave very differently (try going on a vacation to Tajikistan to relax). Remember, last New Year and the slaughtered by a crowd of local Muslims in Dushanbe, Santa Claus. He served urgently in Central Asia, even Uzbek soldiers (in my opinion, the most civilized, working and calm people in those parts) called the young Tajiks "animals", and not without reason. And thanks to the Russian people for neither the built republic, nor for the termination of internecine massacre will never be. Tajiks live by their tribal, feudal concepts, frankly believing that Islam so commands.
  5. Sakhalininsk 15 January 2013 09: 37 New
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    Surprisingly, the aforementioned Karomat Sharipov, with such an influx of his compatriots in Russia, also manages to criticize the Russian side, which, they say, cannot provide the “guests” with everything necessary, including proper housing and social security. Mr. Sharipov, in an interview with the Russian BBC service, said that in Russia many visiting Tajiks are used, almost as a slave force. Moreover, it turns out that Russia is also to blame for something else: children and wives in Tajikistan are waiting for their fathers and husbands from Russia to go home, and you see, they disappear in our country, and the police (Russian) often do not take steps to search for ". At the same time, Sharipov is not at all embarrassed by the fact that in most cases the “disappeared” themselves do not wish to return home, having acquired new families in Russia. And, besides, Karomat Bakoevich also forgets that many Tajik labor migrants violate the immigration rules without a twinge of conscience and are trying to actively avoid accounting in the FMS and other supervisory services. But did the BBC ever care?


    It is precisely that the BBC does not care about such trifles. However, the funniest thing is that some kind of sorry for the expression requires that his compatriots in Russia be provided with something laughing It is touching, I want to say, say thank you, that in general we give you the opportunity to work, and with at least some illusion of human existence, we have good rulers. Good for those miscarriages that they allowed themselves in Central Asia during the collapse of the USSR with respect to the Slavic population, guest workers from these territories should not be allowed to enter Russia at all.
  6. VadimSt 15 January 2013 09: 38 New
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    Review is good +
    But, nevertheless, one must agree that people go to Russia, not from a good life. All of them, mainly employed in the lowest paid jobs, sometimes live in inhuman conditions, without proper medical care, under pressure from officials, police, employers and the criminal element.
    These are the same people, and they are covered by the UN declaration on human rights. Very often, the media “cares” about the rights of billionaires and other “big people” who fall into the hands of justice abroad, while completely forgetting about the rights of “little” people in their own country!

    I’m not saying that Russia should provide all this for free, as goodwill! Such obligations do not exist anywhere. This must be ensured by employers; it is they, in collusion with officials, who profit from slave labor.

    Given the figures,
    Nearly 3,4 billion dollars were transferred from Russia to Tajikistan
    you need to think about how much income goes into the pockets of these businessmen, bypassing the state budget - One large “hamster” will still eat less than a dozen “rats”. And how many of these "rats" in each city?

    About the loss of people. Yes, there are those who may have acquired a new family, but nevertheless, most of the missing people should be attributed to crimes and deaths in the course of work - this has been repeatedly covered by the central Russian media.

    We must not forget that it is migrant workers who shape public opinion about Russia, inside Tajikistan.

    We must not forget that man-hated ideology is inherent in fascism and its followers!

    The point is not Independence, but whether this people is fraternal now, and whether it will become such in the future, is the key to deterring the whims of nationalist elites.
    1. Illuminati
      Illuminati 15 January 2013 09: 51 New
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      Quote: VadimSt

      We must not forget that it is migrant workers who shape public opinion about Russia, inside Tajikistan.

      We must not forget that man-hated ideology is inherent in fascism and its followers!

      You correctly gave a vision of the situation. All cheers patriots wiped their noses. Despite everything, these are ordinary people. and it doesn’t happen that one country helps another country for free and for free. Everything has an account, if not we consider, then another person considers
    2. Cadets 15 January 2013 10: 45 New
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      Quote: VadimSt
      The point is not Independence, but whether this nation is brotherly now and whether it will become one in the future

      And you will go to Tajikistan and feel whether the Tajiks treat the Slavs as brothers. Here, migrant workers are still silent, because they do not want to be thrown out of Russia, and meet with such a campaign alone on a forest deserted edge and find out what they think of Russians (I personally would not advise that they cut sheep (literally) from childhood .
      1. Karlsonn 15 January 2013 14: 52 New
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        Cadets

        Quote: Cadets
        And you will go to Tajikistan and feel whether the Tajiks treat the Slavs as brothers.






        Quote: Cadets
        (I personally would not advise that they cut sheep (in the literal sense of the word) from childhood.


        I also have an indicator, I personally slaughtered the first sheep at the age of seven, I began to help cut with six and what?
      2. Ruslan67 15 January 2013 15: 07 New
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        Quote: Cadets
        (I personally would not recommend that they cut sheep (in the literal sense of the word) since childhood

        And we are in the figurative - when they turn up under the arm am
      3. leon-iv 15 January 2013 15: 24 New
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        , and meet with such a campaign alone on a forest deserted edge and find out what they think about the Russians (I personally would not advise that they cut sheep (in the literal sense of the word) from childhood.
        III what?
        Here we had an attempt to rape one young lady. A guest from Asia now lies in the ground with 3 charges of buckshot. The police did nothing to shoot.
    3. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 15 January 2013 11: 14 New
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      Central Asia has always been a land of dependents.
      1. Uruska 15 January 2013 16: 05 New
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        Well, they’re picking cotton ... Also work.
        1. Karlsonn 15 January 2013 19: 03 New
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          Uruska hi
          Hello, here, judging by this:

          Quote: Krasnoyarets
          Central Asia has always been a land of dependents


          at least people who remember the school course in economic geography are few.
          and this is sad because Central Asia is a rich region, and strategically, geopolitically, and a dozen of all sorts ... skiing is a very important region. drinks
    4. leon-iv 15 January 2013 15: 22 New
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      But, nevertheless, one must agree that people go to Russia, not from a good life
      it excites me. They wanted freedom to eat a full spoon.
      All of them, mainly employed in the lowest paid jobs, sometimes live in inhuman conditions, without proper medical care, under pressure from officials, police, employers and the criminal element.
      Suitcase Station Tajikistan. Build a life of light for yourself. But stagnating automation and mechanization of production by cheap slave labor is not for us.
      We must not forget that it is migrant workers who shape public opinion about Russia, inside Tajikistan.
      And what should we care about? They will go to fight or what?
      The point is not Independence, but whether this people is fraternal now, and whether it will become such in the future, is the key to deterring the whims of nationalist elites.
      Ask do we need them? I personally do not, like 95% of the country's population.
      1. oper66
        oper66 15 January 2013 18: 16 New
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        I completely agree that we don’t need them and we don’t need to solve their problems. Why stop the migration? You can simply apply criminal liability for illegal crossing of the state. borders and location of the Russian Federation. They will leave for five years, earned on the road and home. And this applies to all independent and sovereign we do not need them for dick
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          Quote: oper66
          I completely agree we do not need them


          tell me, do you know the reasons for the conquest of Central Asia, first by Russia, and then by the USSR?
          Obviously, you understand diplomacy better than Gorchakov, and in the geopolitics of the British cabinet in his best years bully
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            oper66 16 January 2013 22: 09 New
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            I will say that I know the reasons for the accession of Asia to the Empire, but that period of confrontation between Britons and Russia does not compare with the present. These peoples did not understand anything and were used to living for free. in addition, they are not capable of developing closer to the beginning of the Middle Ages the economy in decline, and rely only on what is left for them and only the Russians work in production. The same situation with blacks in Africa and in the USA is dependent on the situation (the state of Detroit and a number of other cities where the majority were blacks and whites left because of the chaos created by them), we don’t need this situation, so let these chocks build happiness at home and not we are creating a mess. They are aliens to us and with a knife in the bosom. Therefore, with their sovereignty, let them solve their problems themselves and not at our expense. In addition, I advise you to sort out your country, and only then to us with tips
  7. VadimSt 15 January 2013 10: 22 New
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    Quote: Illuminati
    All cheers patriots wiped their noses.


    I just expressed my vision of the problem. Many here "advocate" for the reunion of fraternal peoples, for help to Syria, etc. It's good.
    I think that few of them are worried about political problems at the same time - people just show their best human qualities. But I don’t understand the position of those who, at the same time, speak not only negatively about other nationalities inhabiting Russia, but also openly provoke national hostility.
    So where should first be peace, tranquility and respect for each other - in one’s own country, in neighboring, or in distant Syria?
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      Illuminati 15 January 2013 10: 43 New
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      Quote: VadimSt
      I just expressed my vision of the problem. Many here "advocate" for the reunion of fraternal peoples, for help to Syria, etc. It's good. I think that few of them are worried about political problems at the same time - people just show their best human qualities. But I don’t understand the position of those who, at the same time, speak not only negatively about other nationalities inhabiting Russia, but also openly provoke national hostility. So where should first be peace, tranquility and respect for each other - in one’s own country, in neighboring, or in distant Syria?

      Peace and humanity must first appear in everyone’s head, in the family, in the city, region, country and region, and then to the whole world
    2. Olegovi4 15 January 2013 18: 59 New
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      You should take a sip of "brotherly" love in the 90s in Central Asia. Then I would think the opinion was different. We have been respectful to them for many years, and what is the answer? That will never change.
  8. Order 15 January 2013 10: 31 New
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    It would seem that the Tajik people need human sympathy, a really difficult situation there. But it doesn’t work out; I personally know Russian refugees from there. People are very intelligent specialists, geologists who lived and worked there. They fled from there, leaving literally everything, taking only personal belongings, documents and a little money from the sale of real estate for nothing. Moreover, the apartment was forced to sell by almost former neighbors. It came to direct threats to them personally and to children, and all just because you are Russian. So I’m not going to sympathize, let them rake up the fruits of their independence themselves and don’t crawl towards us.
    1. leon-iv 15 January 2013 15: 25 New
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      transfer your salary to them, but don’t touch us.
    2. Karlsonn 15 January 2013 19: 10 New
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      Order

      you need to stupidly attach them.
      at the same time, let the Wahhabis be minced.
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        how did you help Georgia eh dill how not ashamed to give such advice after your betrayal. Oh yeah, I forgot Russian, you’re not brothers, you have different blood and genotype closer to you Georgians and Romanians and your ancestors PROTOUKROP il silt well ...
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    Krasnoyarsk 15 January 2013 11: 03 New
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    Let the dear migrants knock over their independent homeland and build their own bright future. It is necessary to close the borders with Central Asia and gradually completely abandon migrants. I don’t want my children to live under the Russian Caliphate with the capital Moskvabad.
  10. Download Do Re Mi
    Download Do Re Mi 15 January 2013 11: 22 New
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    Let them stick it in the opa and throw it to hell!
  11. "Delete"
    "Delete" 15 January 2013 11: 24 New
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    It’s just that Russia does not need this 16th-century reserve, whatever it is! In fact, this is an unnecessary territory inhabited by worthless savages who cannot be trusted with anything more difficult than brooms and shovels! And I do not want to see them in Russia! And no one wants but bureaucrats and botox! Some stupidly cut loot from them, another raves with a scoop and stupidly replaces the Russians, who have become too restless and disloyal to the corrupt government, stupid black herd, making all kinds of concessions!

    Putin has changed laws regarding guest workers: now they can work without permission


    Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a number of federal laws that change the order of stay in the country and regulate the conditions of work of labor migrants.

    In particular, one of the documents allows employers to submit documents to the Federal Migration Service to attract foreign workers in electronic form.

    In addition, employers will be able to freely, without obtaining appropriate permission, engage foreigners temporarily living in Russia and not having a work permit, from the text of the law published on the Kremlin’s website.

    In addition, Putin signed a law that provides migrants with social security guarantees and establishes administrative responsibility for failure to take measures for their material, medical and housing support.

    The President also signed amendments to the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation aimed at strengthening criminal liability for organizing illegal migration. This type of crime includes illegal entry, stay or transit through the Russian Federation of foreign citizens and stateless persons.

    The amendments introduced in Article 3221 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation provide for the classification of this act as moderate crimes, and if there are qualifying signs, for serious crimes, and accordingly, an increase in the size and terms of sentences.

    In particular, the amendments to the law on the procedure for leaving and entering the Russian Federation signed by Putin provide for the introduction of a three-year ban on entry into the country for foreigners who previously violated the order of stay in Russia.

    Now they are also prescribed guarantees! By the way, those who are not in the subject, do you know what the red square looked like before the New Year?
  12. Averias 15 January 2013 11: 37 New
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    Guys, you forgive me, for 20 minutes I have been looking at the photo for the article and am laughing. Associations are tormented, but damn it, as the crowd impatiently, to see something that was not of good quality, and there is no toilet paper, that's what they ask .. Nothing else comes to mind. wassat
    1. oper66
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      They don’t use paper, the choir, the youngsters are wiped with clay, and the baboons, when the ass gets washed with shells. He himself served in the Tajik Soviet Socialist Republic and I know we were sometimes kidding when the soldiers drove us to help the factories there in the toilets with boxes of clay pieces instead of paper, so we wrap it with glassy glass and make fun of animals yelling that was a joke
      1. az9900
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        and the Germans taught you to wipe the beetroot batter back and wear pants. Apparently you were well lowered in the mountains.
        1. ballonoved
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          So do not be shy, come to us in Russia! We will let you down here so that until the end of your days you will be afraid to look towards the Russians!
  13. DmitryK 15 January 2013 11: 41 New
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    Do not think that they are low paid. Normally they earn 30-40 thousand, for less they do not want to work or pretend that they work.
  14. VadimSt 15 January 2013 12: 34 New
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    Quote: Averias
    Guys, you forgive me, for 20 minutes I have been looking at the photo for the article and am laughing. Associations are tormented, but damn it, as the crowd impatiently, to see something that was not of good quality, and there is no toilet paper, that's what they ask .. Nothing else comes to mind.


    I specially looked through your several posts!

    Christianity in the modern world. By the end of 2012 year

    Quote: Averias
    They were believed to be the 3 world. And this is annoying ..

    Quote: Averias
    Against the backdrop of the mass legalization of all kinds of buggers, lesbians and other evil spirits (and this is condemned in any religion)


    New Year set out Sharia law

    Quote: Averias
    Anonymity, the manipulation of loud slogans, extravagant ideas, the manipulation of the mass consciousness, feelings, including religious - that’s what’s scary ..

    Quote: Averias
    Do not dishonor the glorious name of Salah al-Din, but he was a worthy of the worthy, he said that our civilizations can exist only in the world, otherwise we will simply kill each other.


    Labor migration - Gordian knot of Russia

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    Strange and incomprehensible things happen (although what's strange). For two years, I visited many countries or states or former appendages (the former USSR), in short, as you like. Normal people, preoccupied with their problems, raising children and earning their daily bread. And not a word about the fact that Russia is an enemy and is plotting. Ukraine, Yalta - a wonderful attitude, bewilderment about the actions of their government, condemnation and not a special love for the "zapadentsev" - as they call Western Ukraine. Kazakhstan, Alma - all the same, you came to the Nauruz holiday (sorry if you misspelled it), treated, told the history of the holiday, had fun, who boldly complained about the government, nostalgically recalled the old days. Uzbekistan - there the people are so busy with their problems that they simply don’t care about time and Russophobia. Georgia, Tbilisi - cheerful hospitable Georgians, Armenia - all the same. As I understand it, apparently as soon as a person falls into power, he, due to necessity and circumstances (if not with us, means against us) is forced to become a Russophobe. Otherwise, they’ll crush it - that’s where the bulk goes along this shaky path - it's a pity for such people.


    So where is your true face, dear?
    1. Averias 15 January 2013 12: 52 New
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      What's the problem? I said that I have such associations and I can’t do anything about it. What does my face have to do with it. You ate about what I wanted to offend Muslims, so these are your speculations. I would also react to others. No need to inflate an elephant from a fly. You’re not looking for enemies there. But seriously, I’m not eager to see this in the center of my city as shown in the photo.
    2. oper66
      oper66 15 January 2013 18: 25 New
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      It is not clear why you are hurt and we don’t need you. In our country, live at home. Build whatever you want. You don’t need them. Remember the events of the 90s. Or the black earth cattle was forgotten.
      1. Averias 15 January 2013 20: 25 New
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        Damn, I’ve hardly slammed you with a little minus, I thought it was you addressed to me
        1. oper66
          oper66 16 January 2013 00: 13 New
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          JUST THE BLACK-SKINED ADMINS STRIKED OUT
          1. Borat
            Borat 16 January 2013 09: 35 New
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            Quote: oper66
            SIMPLY BLACK-SKIN

            Well, again, you’re offended by us, you stick out your complexes and rant ... I can't read such low-mouthed comments.
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              oper66 16 January 2013 22: 18 New
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              I don’t understand what the problem is with the wooden ones. Sit at home. Do not meddle in Russia, and if you meddle, it’s illegal, get what you should and I think they’ll put you in prison so
      2. az9900
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        I did not forget how you lowered the pigs. But you no longer need to destroy take a break from drugs, alcohol and HIV.
        1. ballonoved
          ballonoved 13 July 2013 02: 24 New
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          And you try to lower us in Russia! The gut is thin!
          About drugs, alcohol and HIV. There is one. But, you have it in Tajikistan. Do not forget about it!
          So, another question: who is who!
  15. suharev-52 15 January 2013 12: 42 New
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    This is a very difficult question. And with a condachka such are not solved. Yes, I agree, it is necessary to limit migration. But for this we need to restore order at home so that someone does not profit from the slave labor of migrants. Sincerely.
    1. Shkodnik65 15 January 2013 13: 10 New
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      But I believe that it is necessary to restore order in our country and to fight migration at the same time, moreover, I think that both of these actions are interconnected with each other.
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      Quote: suharev-52
      it is necessary to restore order at home so that someone does not profit from the slave labor of migrants.

      You don’t transfer all, unless the money is canceled. laughing
  16. Mairos 15 January 2013 13: 54 New
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    Here I read once in the net that the use of low-skilled labor leads to inhibition of technological development processes. I agree 100%. There is nothing to say about social tension and demographic imbalance.
  17. Iraclius 15 January 2013 15: 42 New
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    According to him, about 1,5 million Tajik citizens live in Russia today. If we take into account that the population of the Republic of Tatarstan is about 7,5 million people, it turns out that 20% of all residents of the Central Asian republic live in Russia. This is just a huge number!

    The figure is huge! But why is the author of the article so firmly convinced that Tajiks migrate exclusively to the Russian Federation for the sake of earning? No, it is clear that there are more wages here, but are there no migrants from the Republic of Tajikistan in other former republics to earn money? The percentage will be even higher - around 30-35. wink
    As for the people themselves, I don’t feel any hatred for the Tajiks, although I have heard stories about the inscriptions in Kulyab. Like, the Russians do not leave - we need slaves. It is a pity that the only Persian-speaking republic on the territory of the USSR, with the most ancient and richest history, found itself in such a distress. And how much money was swollen there - one record Nurek hydroelectric station, which is worth a well-developed irrigation system.
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      makarich26 15 January 2013 23: 38 New
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      Quote: Iraclius
      I don’t feel any hatred for Tajiks

      2,5 years he lived in Dushanbe, 3 - in Kuyab (1997-2002) - served in 201 MSD.
      All I can say about the nation as a whole is "black-knocked ... monkeys ... yany."
      Coming to Russia on those days on vacation, I was happy as a child that the streets were mostly Russian.
      From my own experience I will say the following:
      1. Residents of these banana republics recognize only brute force. There was no problem grabbing pi ... lei, leaving the city alone. Together, three of them - not a single black ... soldering creature did not come close.
      2. The attitude towards the Russians in those years was very aggressive - get out to your Russia - we did not call you here.
      Unfortunately, lately it seems that the Sakhovat market moved to St. Petersburg on Aprashka, the Green market - to Sadovaya, and that I again live in Dushanbe, and they will tell me soon: this is our country, get out of here.
      In connection with the foregoing, I do not feel any sympathy for migrant workers, I do not consider them for people. Work like slaves - let them work, no one called them here.
      It’s just that with such a demographic and migration policy we’ll soon become slaves — this is a shame!
  18. wax
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    The great experiment of pulling the border nations onto the path of progress and equitable development was stopped by the collapse of the Soviet Union.
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      That's right. Let those who destroyed the USSR be damned: hence the troubles of the people of all its former republics!
  19. Iraclius 15 January 2013 15: 55 New
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    If you already remembered the economy, you should always keep in mind the fact that Tajikistan is a mountainous country, where about 93% of the territory is occupied by mountains. So where does the abundance come from? Yes, the country is rich in natural resources, but their development in such conditions is not simple and not cheap. Agriculture is difficult, irrigation is required, and the sown area is very modest.
    1. Karlsonn 15 January 2013 19: 13 New
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      Iraclius

      Quote: Iraclius
      Yes, the country is rich in natural resources.

      welcome dear hi finally at least someone remembered good
      this fact is one of the reasons to “occupy” Tajikistan again.
      1. Mairos 15 January 2013 19: 20 New
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        Yeah .. and they "occupy" the city of Russia. You will be mining there, and they will live here. )) I don’t feel negative for them, but I don’t want our cities to be filled with immigrants from Central Asia or Africa, there will be no integration of them - there will be clans, diasporas and ethnic crime, or rather, there are already.
        1. Karlsonn 15 January 2013 19: 53 New
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          Mairos

          they are already with us, 20% of the population! these are the most working and initiative and all the problems associated with

          Quote: Mairos
          Yeah .. and they "occupy" the city of Russia. You will be mining there, and they will live here.


          they are already here and they have to be decided, why not take this country as a geshevt?

          Quote: Mairos
          but I don’t want our cities to be filled with immigrants from Central Asia or Africa, there will be no integration of them


          during the development of minerals, after the construction of a dozen factories and factories, they will not go to us, and the money will go into the federal pocket, and as of now, half of the country's GDP is transfers from Russia.

          Quote: Mairos
          there will be no integration of them - there will be clans, diasporas and ethnic crime, or rather, there are already.


          Now the head of the clan gives the Tajiks five kilos of gerych and he takes him to Russia or Ukraine in an orderly manner, do we need it?
          I repeat - all the problems with accession already exist and they, these problems, are already at home, so I think it’s time to fuck them.
      2. Iraclius 15 January 2013 19: 38 New
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        Greetings! hi About the "occupation" I can not say. If we again appeal to the experience of the USSR, then something good is unlikely to end. And natural resources, with the exception, perhaps, of salt, are difficult to extract there. Plus, it has an exclusively embryonic infrastructure. request
        1. Karlsonn 15 January 2013 19: 57 New
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          Iraclius

          Quote: Iraclius
          If we again appeal to the experience of the USSR, then something good is unlikely to end.


          Yes, everything is normal when, when the Union rebuilt it there, Tajikistan contributed to the bins of the Motherland.

          Quote: Iraclius
          And natural resources, with the exception, perhaps, of salt, are difficult to extract there.


          as the northerner and the Far East say:
          - We also do not have sugar, but we get it.

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            We most likely will not have time there. China is much closer, and it has adequate experience working with such "violent" neighbors - Xinjiang-Uygur AR so!
  20. SA23WSGFG
    SA23WSGFG 15 January 2013 19: 19 New
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    Have you heard the news? The Russian authorities are already insolent in the end. They made this database
    http://guardlink.org/4wQyl1
    where you can find information about any resident of the Baltic countries.
    really was very surprised
    there are a lot of interesting things about me (addresses, phone numbers, even my photos are different
    character) - I wonder where they dug up this. In general, there are good sides - this
    Information can be deleted from the site.
    I advise you to hurry, you never know how to fumble there ...
  21. воронов 15 January 2013 19: 22 New
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    Tajikistan has never really been and never will be independent
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      воронов

      Yes, he became a country only because the "bloody invaders" so wanted, Tajikistan finally never in history (except for the Soviet period) was a country, what kind of independence laughing
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      So it is, apparently.
  22. Iraclius 15 January 2013 20: 03 New
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    Still, I am for restricting the entry of these comrades, the eastern workers. As tourists - you are welcome. Boost your economy there, develop tourism. The places there are wonderful. What is the therapeutic source of radon waters worth? The climate is also good. And leave the money earned in our country. good But this is nonsense, of course. Nobody will build and develop anything there. It’s much easier to come to everything ready, especially since our laws are loyalty itself. While these guys are sitting in the basements, it’s somehow not noticeable. But when on religious holidays friendly crowds dump out on the streets and do prayers, then, of course, you understand - 20% of the population of Tajikistan is a rather big figure.
  23. Uncle 15 January 2013 20: 22 New
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    From the topic of migrants hunting is already puke .... Enough of the soul to poison .....
  24. APASUS 15 January 2013 21: 20 New
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    What can unite such different countries? After all, the gap between us culturally and economically, during the period of independence, the gap only widened. The new authorities of Tajikistan returned the country to feudal rule. Playing on nationalist notes they managed to squeeze out practically the entire non-Tajik ethnic group. Almost the entire economy became property family clans, or rather, what was left of it thanks to the management of the new authorities. The population is impoverished and quite serious religious organizations and drug courts appeared against the generally unsuccessful background. This forces the authorities to rush between Russia and the West. Although they well understand that the West is not interested in such an odious ally. By their very nature, the Tajik authorities are balancing over the abyss.
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    Only a common enemy can unite. And the United States is not going to get out of the Central Asian region completely. Since the time of the British Empire, it was precisely for these territories that the Great Game was fought. Centuries later, little has changed.
  26. holding 15 January 2013 22: 16 New
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    I liked the article. I agree. History has strongly intertwined the fate of our peoples. The longer the elite of the former Soviet republics try to play "independence", the worse the situation will worsen, ultimately affecting the lives of ordinary people.
  27. GOLUBENKO 16 January 2013 05: 31 New
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    In the political sense, Tajikistan is like a suitcase without a handle "and it’s hard to carry and it’s a pity to drop it." The main task of Tajikistan now is to be a buffer between Afghanistan and the CIS. For it is clear to everyone that you remove 201BB, stop feeding the Rakhmonov clan today, tomorrow the "spirits" will run on the Russian border.
    I personally for the need to introduce a visa regime for Central Asian states. Let them issue work visas in accordance with all international rules, as in any other country.
    And humanly deeply indulge in their troubles and problems. Let them build their state in their Pamirs, grind mountains to crushed stone, or fight against them, violet finally.
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    Quote: az9900
    "do we have a NATO base on our side?" To fuck you!


    Come to Russia, we will fuck you like that!