This was not even on Independence ...

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This was not even on Independence ...


It took me 6 years to get all the orange hops out of me, all the liberal spirit ... To become Russian again, and partly Soviet. Although the USSR remember a little bit ....

It was not easy, it was hard to admit that what you believed in was not just wrong, but brought corruption to everything: you, the country, the culture, the people. Therefore, I did not even experience the illusion that after my article, the very first one on this site: “Confession of a Russian Orangeman in Ukraine .... repentance and renunciation of liberalism»Investigate or make“ belolentochnikov ”in Russia make you think. I sincerely hope that what “yesterday” was in Moscow is not all of Russia, and it’s better not even Russia at all.

I actively follow the Russian political life, as a result, many on the website “Military Review” among Russians consider me a provocateur - they say, they live in Ukraine, and in publications they try to teach Russians what national idea is closer and more necessary for them, and among the Ukrainian guests of the site, They write to me that if I lack Russian culture, then leave for Russia under Putin’s program, or go create Russian clubs (the latter is true in principle), and there feel Russian, although I just raised the problem that Russians are in Ukraine become Russian-speaking Russophobes who still do not believe, take a look at the forum of the Ukrainian city newspaper Berdyansk - cities where 90% communicate in Russian:Berdyansk Business Forum.

I hope that the site administration will not accept this as an advertisement. For it is not advertising, but a real ALARM !!!! These people are not ethnic Ukrainians, I am almost sure that they are Russian assimilants, not even all “svidomye” write like that.

In my address, where I renounced liberalism, I wrote that my city of Berdyansk, although Russian, and Russian-speaking, and even founded by Alexander I’s decree at the suggestion of Count Vorontsov, was and remains merchant, bourgeois. So, in the neighboring city of Mariupol, where the working class predominates, support for the Orange did not exceed 4% as of 2004 year, we have 22% !!!

Now where does Moscow and the rally? And why was this not even on Independence !? Yesterday, Muscovites, people of Slavic appearance, not Anglo-Saxons, were carrying American flags in the opposition column !!! I understand that in the Russian opposition, after a year of non-existence, there is a need for mobilization. You can’t lift up the regions of the country, not 90 for a long time, everyone has a job, sharp social issues in terms of survival have been removed, so let’s go on public relations with orphans in the context of American relations ?. Yes, hold a thousand rally in support of orphans in terms of: social security and employment, family institution, adoption, education, prevention of orphans ... How can you hold a rally in support of returning children abroad ?! It is a pity that not all countries have been banned, so few of us remain ... Also in support of the United States? And where. In Moscow?! In the center of Russia. What happened in this world ?!

Liberalism is a tumor, it is a killer, it is the death of a people. I explain as a former liberal, at first it’s fun and even right, to uphold such postulates as independent courts, free will, transparent taxation. All this is necessary so as not to feel that the state is not abandoned, but no one further looks and sees the root. All of these points are possible when relying on the liberal historical, economic, mental and political experience. We do not have it. And thank God! Magdeburg Law was reduced only on the lands of Western Ukraine, where the first Russians were mentally destroyed, deprived of their culture by imposing Catholicism, then they changed their language and changed their dialectics. Our people and society developed according to other laws and traditions, but nevertheless, waves of "liberalization" pounced on us ... we stood, held on, lost ourselves somewhere, but not very and radically. And how to find your way to get rid of corrupt officials? If not liberalism, then what? I'm afraid it will be a long time ... the answers are all in our ancestral traditions, and, of course, in other topics of this site. But today is not about history.

So, we have a fact, Muscovites, Russians, Russian people go with American flags to rallies against the authorities? It seems to be a little out or a lot? I appeal to the Russian readers of "Military Review", you imagined such a 4-5 years ago !? I try to use all my former experience of a liberal to reason sensibly and build a portrait of today's “oppositionist”. If you take, my city is Berdyansk, and this is a city of entrepreneurs in the resort sector, where there is no real sector of the economy and production, where money is not taken from the air, but is earned by the fact that you just by the will of fate live by the sea and rent housing. That is, under the Soviet regime, they could not even dream of such a thing! Namely, to build cottages, mansions, by the sea, to earn so much that it is enough not only for a year, but also to go to warmer countries myself. The effect of "caught God by the beard."

The abundance of money, entertainment, consumption, even in the absence of travel to Western Europe and the United States, makes it possible to feel like a "little" American. "Wow! I watched movies in 90, now I have the opportunity to fly to Turkey (Hawaii) on an airplane, rent a limousine and ride along the broken roads of Berdyansk, clothes, cars, etc." And here they talk about the Customs Union, about reunification with Russia, even if it is economic. And the reaction comes: “Aaaaa !!! Again Scoop !!! Again, dirty and dirty Russia! ”It is interesting that for many in Ukraine the words“ scoop ”and“ Russian ”often become synonymous. And even for Russians in Ukraine. Until yesterday's rally in Moscow, I thought that the Russian liberal, i.e. a Russian, one way or another, wants the good, the well-being, the prosperity of his country, even through his erroneous liberal prism and paradigm. Now, with horror, I discover that a Russian may cease to be a Russian, being a citizen of Russia. Someone will call it the withering away of the “Soviet” type of people. But I think that we need to look further. Is Russian NOTSoviet will walk with the American flag in their own country, in their capital !?

The middle class of Russia, especially of Moscow, lives and still sleeps in the world of illusions, or has partly consciously began to abandon itself. Let's talk again sensibly. Do the liberals think that the United States, as the “dandelion of God” and the West as a whole, are waiting for Russia to become democratic and liberal, to honestly compete with it in the world market in all spheres, in order to conduct geyparads together? Either in Russia, especially in big cities, a remake of love for the United States has come, as it was in 90, or some other processes are underway ... Perhaps the future global world nation of liberals without borders and cultures is being transformed ... But it’s hard to believe it is necessary to multiply and start a family, raise children, and they have a hard time with it, only lust and debauchery. Yes, and the West ordered to live long)))

Adequate Russians should hold, if not alternative, rallies, but at least something ... Out in France, normal people are trying to resist, yesterday 300 held a thousandth rally against same-sex marriage and the legal concepts of "Parent number 1" and "Parent number 2". Why we (you) can not do this and the like? No time! We work, and it also seems to be correct ... But the picture is blurred ... There are always undecided people who are adjacent to those who are always being talked about, who are creative and of the “cool” type.

Thus, the children of Muscovites who 20 years ago destroyed my great Motherland, they had a lot of free time then ... How many were there, 3-5 thousands? They are trying to solve something there again ... It’s not enough for them that 20% of Russians remained outside the country.

If Ukraine can afford to play in liberalism, give itself up to the fun of the oligarchs, destroying the army and the people, if that helps the Russian Federation, it’s possible to be extra-unitary pacifists, then who’s next for Russia?

Today, without Spengler, it is clear that the West is dying, weakens its grip in the world, but why I don’t understand why the stars and stripes in Moscow at rallies, and from where the hatred for the Motherland. Someone from commentators will correct that to the state, but I consider that to the Homeland.
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  1. lechatormosis
    +9
    14 January 2013 07: 14
    We cannot bring happiness to UKRAINE on a silver platter - we can only help UKRAINIANS to improve their own lives.
    The forced planting of YOUR FRIENDSHIP TO ANOTHER PEOPLE ALWAYS causes people to be rejected.
    Therefore, I consider everything in YOUR HANDS - We must fight for our future.
    1. +11
      14 January 2013 09: 19
      Quote: lehatormoz
      Therefore, I consider everything in YOUR HANDS - You have to fight for your future
      Beautiful, but nothing .... To fight? With whom? With your people? With deputies chosen by the people? With the government of your own people?
      Russia for Ukraine is not just a neighbor, but a life buoy both militarily and economically ... The author is right that we cannot afford to fall apart, even spiritually .. We are the core to which almost all Soviet ones will eventually return. ...
      And about the American flags ... Well, in every society there are mentally abnormal people .. Approximately 5-6% ... Count the number of protesters and understand everything ...
      1. +8
        14 January 2013 09: 40
        Quote: domokl
        And about the American flags ... Well, in every society there are mentally abnormal people .. Approximately 5-6% ... Count the number of protesters and understand everything ...

        Yes, from where!? .. 5-6 percent .... All the psychos gathered there. 5-6 thousand
        1. +4
          14 January 2013 09: 57
          And they gave everyone a thousand rubles to take a walk laughing
          1. +10
            14 January 2013 10: 22
            Quote: andrey777
            And they gave everyone a thousand rubles to take a walk

            For, Jude, for their services, one dachshund - 30 silver coins-- and it has not changed for two thousand years.
            1. +3
              14 January 2013 11: 07
              At the rate of the Central Bank of Russia, it turns out - 1000 rubles smile
              1. +4
                14 January 2013 12: 03
                Quote: belij
                At the rate of the Central Bank of Russia, it turns out - 1000 rubles

                For information: 30 pieces of silver-30 tetradrachms = 120 drams. A day laborer received 1 drachma for 1 day, now the day laborer receives about 1000 rubles a day, so Judas sold for 100-120 thousand rubles at the current rate. It turns out the current Judas 100 times cheaper in every way.
            2. S_mirnov
              -6
              14 January 2013 16: 15
              Nothing of the kind, last year rallies of EdinoyR - 500 rubles. Well, all sorts of tasty buns promised, but they threw many, and what else to expect from thieves
              http://news.rambler.ru/15450707/
              And by the way, our People do not need to dress, normal people understand that thieves are sitting in the Duma, who went into politics for personal enrichment, and not for protecting the interests of the people.
              http://demotivation.me/mt0uxs9ewgjwpic.html
              So our thought is a shame on Russia. And America is nothing at all. This is our crook - domestic and they will be responsible for their crimes here in Russia!
              1. +2
                15 January 2013 01: 27
                Quote: S_mirnov
                So our thought is a shame on Russia. And America is nothing at all. This is our crook - domestic and they will be responsible for their crimes here in Russia!


                Though the Duma is a crook, but it is OUR Duma, we are not righteous either, But America should not tell us what kind of Duma we have and what laws it issues. because not a damn thing. And about the so-called march, the people gave him a clear definition of "MARCH OF PEDOFILES" (sorry for the signs with signs on Sretensky Boulevard were quickly ripped off by the Germans).
                Moreover, 90 percent of marching people didn’t read the law at all, and the majority spit on Russia in principle and on its people in particular, such as Nosik who openly on state TV claims that there is no Russian people. And such nozzles are just there and most



                Here they are the SOCKS. Here they are the most honest and decent @@ there are simply no words. When everyone will understand who is the source of all this "crap"
                March for the sale of children, parents, homeland. Which these types do not. because their real homeland is in a completely different place.

                1. 0
                  15 January 2013 10: 44
                  Already the jaws of disgust, well, such "saints of the Francis of Assisi", I am silent about the composition of the names, ... the classic '17 remake ...
          2. coast
            +12
            14 January 2013 13: 56
            freaks in their country to wave a mattress flag, a shame not to the government but to those who gathered at a false rally
            1. S_mirnov
              -3
              14 January 2013 17: 34
              Was there any flags? And then everyone says, they say ... The article generally shows a photo from the clip of the Ramstein group where they mock the myth of the Americans on the moon! What really nobody provocateur with a flag photographed?
              1. +8
                14 January 2013 17: 45
                On the attached video, one aunt goes with a flag, but in the news yesterday they showed how Adyn pieces were hung out of the window in the direction of travel. Figs knows whether to focus on this, but the fact that people came out to support the CHARGE OF CHILDREN IN AMERICA, and not to arrange a better life here, for example, by increasing funding for orphanages ... Pah in such ... right in the face of a child.
                1. S_mirnov
                  -1
                  14 January 2013 18: 56
                  They tell you on TV that people came out in support of "GIVING CHILDREN TO AMERICA". I think those who care about America's interests in that demonstration can be counted on one hand (Udaltsov, organizing committee and journalists). Most people went against the thieves in the State Duma. It's just that TV focuses on freaks and provocateurs. Against the background of America's defenders, our "people's" deputies do not look so vile.
                  1. +3
                    14 January 2013 21: 56
                    Ek, you are very happy to throw words ... on the internet. Thieves are not thieves at rallies are not identified. Moreover, at rallies, led by, according to many, the same thieves are not thieves ... And on the topic of the rally, you are right-not for the children of the white men, the article about children is only ONE OF FOUR from the law of Dima Yakovlev. Only about the remaining THREE, they prefer to keep quiet modestly ...
        2. +4
          14 January 2013 10: 11
          Quote: Bulls.
          Yes, from where!? .. 5-6 percent .... All the psychos gathered there. 5-6 thousand
          Adolf Hitler at one time decided to lime all the mentally ill in the elite nation ... Just these 6% ... They were destroyed ... German women slipped elite males from the SS .. Everything was done according to science .. And what? The same 6 percent were born ... Nature is experimenting, natural selection ...
        3. +11
          14 January 2013 11: 31
          Quote: Bulls.
          Yes, from where!? .. 5-6 percent .... All the psychos gathered there. 5-6 thousand


          Swamp frogs have gathered there. And the theme of this performance was originally kind of like "against scum". But it turns out that the bastards themselves gathered against the scum, who advocate trafficking in children, i.e. "addicts against drugs". They don't have it anymore, and now they suck it out of the finger. Banal traitors to their Motherland gathered there, loving everything American and ready to do anything for this. The only thing this "creative", or rather will be creative, that is, with frozen brains and lacks the most important thing - the brains themselves. And the author of the article raised the topic, which is very painful for our peoples. It's time to collect stones.
          1. S_mirnov
            -7
            14 January 2013 16: 27
            The demonstration was attended by politically active citizens of the country. To humiliate them is a completely understandable desire of the "home inmates", then it is not so ashamed of their own inaction.
            Everyone agrees that the Duma is a bunch of thieves, and does not protect the interests of Russian citizens, but it does not go further than lamentations and sighs on the Internet. And in order not to feel like cowards, they come up with all sorts of excuses, about the agents of the State Department, American zaslanets, 30 pieces of silver. And it seems that the shaking creature is no longer a coward, but a wise person who has not succumbed to the "machinations of the State Department" and can quite reasonably sit on the priest even further.
            Frankly, I myself am not delighted with those who are trying to lead the protest movement, moreover, I consider these leaders to be rather pitiful personalities striving to confuse the people who followed them and lead the people's anger into a channel safe for modern government. Nevertheless, I respect people who were not afraid to express their opinion about our "people's" deputies and the destruction of our country.
            1. +7
              14 January 2013 16: 40
              Quote: S_mirnov
              Everyone agrees that the Duma is a bunch of thieves, and does not protect the interests of Russian citizens,

              Who is this ALL ?! bulk and daredevils, these are ALL !?
              Quote: S_mirnov
              The demonstration was attended by politically active citizens of the country,

              You still say that they went there for the sake of US, and on our behalf, they waved their rainbow-star-striped rags.
              1. S_mirnov
                -5
                14 January 2013 17: 11
                No, these people have come out for you, and they are gloomy:
                http://demotivation.me/py3iu2r7s0xapic.html

                “Who is ALL ?!” - I explain, all sane people who adequately perceive the situation in the country.
                "that they went there for the sake of US" - no, they went there for the sake of their future and their children. Just don't think that the people went there for the sake of the Americans' ability to adopt our disabled people, there are enough problems in their country.
                Some, of course, went in order to provoke a striped flag, the Kremlin is very beneficial to imagine that this demonstration is not against the thieves in the State Duma, but for America! So this is served on the first channel, the sheep - hawala.
                1. +5
                  14 January 2013 17: 54
                  Quote: S_mirnov
                  “Who is ALL ?!” - I explain, all sane people who adequately perceive the situation in the country.

                  How is that all ?! And I? I stayed at home !!!

                  PS Do not speak for everyone, even as it is for you. Let the country develop normally without shocks ... or not? Not okay?
                  1. S_mirnov
                    +1
                    14 January 2013 18: 35
                    "How is it all? !!" - Adequately perceiving, I spoke about those who adequately perceive the situation in the country.
                    "I stayed at home !!!" - well done, stay at home, they will do everything without you. And then I wrote "Everyone agrees that the Duma is a bunch of thieves, and does not protect the interests of Russian citizens," where does the fact that you are sitting at home?
                    "Let the country develop normally without shocks" - So I am for! with two hands! Only where do you see signs of the country's development? Reduction of universities, factories, army or an increase in the number of shopping centers per capita?
                    1. +4
                      14 January 2013 19: 20
                      And at that time I was at work. It is necessary to work, and not to suffer the foolishness. Instead of raising the issue of simplifying the adoption of children by our citizens, these "adequate" mountains stood up for (dealers) peddlers of children. This is a banal meanness. Are you okay with your head? This procession is the biggest dip of the marsh frogs. You received the opposite reaction from the population of the country. People were spitting at work today. Your "trick" has caused complete rejection even of those who previously supported.
                      1. S_mirnov
                        -3
                        14 January 2013 20: 01
                        "And I was at work at that time" and I was at work, I have to work a lot to feed my family, don't you notice?
                        "We need to work, and not to suffer the foolishness" - we need to work when there is order in the country, and when crooks are in power, we must fight! Although the slaves have a different opinion ...
                        "Instead of raising the issue of simplifying adoption" - watch the video - the people are chanting "Re-elections" and calling for the dissolution of the State Duma! Children are just PR from both the Kremlin and the organizing committee of the demonstration. The people went out against the thieves.
                        "This procession is the biggest failure of marsh frogs" - and to hell with them with frogs, they put Udaltsov in prison, I won't even feel sad! Fools need to be treated.
                        http://svoim.info/201301/?01_3_2
                        http://svoim.info/201252/?52_3_2
                        "People were spitting at work today" but I thought I was working wink
                        "This" trick "of yours caused a complete rejection of even those who previously supported." - who did you put me in again? Explain, I'm already confused.
                      2. +3
                        14 January 2013 20: 14
                        Quote: S_mirnov
                        Children are just PR ... from the organizing committee of the demonstration.

                        In-in, and I'm talking about, illegibility in goals and methods leads public opinion in the right direction, so I’m calm - there won’t be any shocks.
                        And yes, you work (well, you’re for you, and I’m the same), you have the opportunity to feed your family (about "you have to work a lot" - they used to shout that in the West, whoever wants to work, and parasites are beggars, so I don’t see nothing wrong with that, don't you notice?).
                        Quote: S_mirnov
                        "We need to work, and not to suffer the foolishness" - we need to work when there is order in the country, and when crooks are in power, we must fight! Although the slaves have a different opinion ...

                        Some inconsistent position ... or we work a lot to feed our family, or we don’t work - we rally and fight ... then who feeds the family at this time?
                        No words, some prepositions "in" and "on" ...
                      3. S_mirnov
                        -4
                        14 January 2013 20: 53
                        "they used to shout that in the West, those who want to work, and the parasites are begging" - probably those who love the West were boasting, now it is precisely those who work in our country who are begging, and those who steal (for example, Chubais, Abramovich, and further down the list
                        http://demotivation.me/93g4dt81ceb3pic.html
                        http://demotivation.me/hte1fq5k72sppic.html.

                        "or we don't work - we hold a meeting and fight ..." - I do not argue, it is difficult to fight, because you also have to work, you correctly said that no one will feed your family. You can be silent and work - it's easier, but what future are you preparing for your children? As long as the Americans pay us money for the fact that we are sawing Soviet missiles, you can still live, but what will happen to the country when we finish the last Soviet missile?
                        "Russia and NATO are preparing an agreement on cooperation on the disposal of obsolete ammunition and weapons. Within the framework of this project, the Russian arsenals are planned to be destroyed with Russian money, but with the use of NATO technologies.

                        Frequent emergency during the disposal of ammunition became a real headache for the authorities of the Russian Federation. “The destruction of ammunition by the method of detonation is unproductive and too risky for soldiers,” admits the source of the publication in the General Staff of the Russian Federation. “Explosions at the training grounds showed that you can’t hesitate. Therefore, we decided to borrow foreign experience, ”he added.

                        “Russian experts have learned to destroy munitions of separate-checkered equipment and ammunition with TNT charge. The Russian Federation also has technologies for the disposal of the most massive ammunition — with a mixed explosive charge, ”said Pad Center expert Vadim Kozyulin. “NATO could help with equipment and technologies for the disposal of ammunition of the most complex classes - with liquid, plastic, elastic explosives, cluster and cumulative warheads.” According to the expert, to cope with the financing of the work itself, "the Russian Federation is quite capable."

                        By the end of the year, a group of specialists from the Russian military department plans to visit the ammunition recycling plant in Turkish Yakhshikhan. The results of the trip are planned to be discussed at a meeting of the Russia-NATO Council at the level of the heads of the Ministry of Defense, scheduled for early 2013. There, most likely, the fate of the agreement will be decided.

                        Moscow's interest in obtaining alliance technologies for the publication was confirmed by acting Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to NATO Nikolai Korchunov. “Russia is interested in best practices. We see no obstacles for this area to become an element of cooperation between the Russian Federation and NATO, ”he said, adding that Russia“ has technologies that our partners are interested in. ” “Kommersant”

                        "
                      4. 0
                        15 January 2013 00: 38
                        Knock knock ... is anyone at home? What does the ammunition disposal technology have to do with it? And the enchanting assertion that Russia lives only at the expense of the money given by the states for recycling ... don’t you find it somewhat inadequate to talk? ... sorry, I won’t continue, I had a better opinion.
                2. +2
                  14 January 2013 21: 59
                  "all sane people, adequately perceiving the situation in the country" ... Don't you shake the cocked hat?
                3. +1
                  14 January 2013 23: 53
                  What kind of future are these Maidanites and bogs advocating? We already went through this in the early nineties, and what did we come to? The collapse of the Union, devastation, economic decline, poverty, the rise of oligarchs, thieves and bandits. They play amers on hand, work out their wrappers. Thanks to Putin, the economy began to revive, began to pay salaries and pensions. And you, my friend, think about what chaos can lead to. First of all, the state needs stability in order to be comfortable living in it. fool
              2. dedroid71
                +2
                14 January 2013 23: 28
                IMHO, in vain you are all so up in arms against Comrade. S_mirnov "a. Despite a lot of spelling mistakes, he has very sound judgments, for example:
                "I think those who care about America's interests in that demonstration can be counted on one hand (Udaltsov, the organizing committee and journalists)." Everything is literal. Those. the author of the quote admits that Udaltsov and Co. pursues the interests of the United States (this is the same as saying "bought by the United States"). I have no objections to this question. Yours faithfully
            2. wax
              +6
              14 January 2013 17: 40
              There are even more politically active ones - with bare boobs. For your information, the "home inmates" expressed their position, rejecting participation in the pro-American march.
              1. S_mirnov
                0
                14 January 2013 20: 06
                "For your information, the" home inmates "expressed their position, rejecting participation in the pro-American march" - continue to sit at home, you better not participate in the political life of the country! People like you have already spent at home the collapse of the USSR, the shredding of the constitution, the dispersal of the Supreme Soviet of the Russian Federation. Maybe write an article "Sitting at home as an active life position."
                http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%E0%E7%E3%EE%ED_%C2%E5%F0%F5%EE%E2%ED%EE%E3%EE_%
                D1%EE%E2%E5%F2%E0_%D0%EE%F1%F1%E8%E8
                1. SVAN
                  0
                  14 January 2013 23: 55
                  Say it, it’s not scary, revolutionaries are unfinished. But if you try to think something serious, then we’ll come to you, mind you, not law enforcement officers, but people who love their homeland, and we will give you a neck to keep the water clear.
                  1. 0
                    15 January 2013 13: 07
                    In the face will not be enough. You just need to tear off something so that more are not born, and let go in peace to Geyropa to the liberals.
            3. mazdie
              +2
              14 January 2013 21: 03
              How tired I am of these rallies, oppositionists, the honor and conscience of the nation. If you have a desire to offer something, go to politics, create a party, look for like-minded people. And go out to scream, well, his ... Read the goblin had an article "What have you stolen your son" is very sobering
              1. S_mirnov
                0
                14 January 2013 22: 05
                "Read the goblin had an article" What was stolen from you son "is very sobering" Goblin - in my opinion a rather petty person, I doubt that he could give birth to something worthwhile. But I'll read it on occasion, at least I'll start.
              2. 0
                15 January 2013 00: 09
                Yes, what is their desire, they don’t want to work normally, crawl out with posters into the street and square, so that everyone would see that they are unhappy. Yes, they work for the European and American press, work out foreign candy wrappers. But why work at the machine, stand shift, then I walked with a poster, shouted that I was dissatisfied with the authorities and got more. That’s the whole story.
            4. SVAN
              -1
              14 January 2013 23: 48
              And what are you doing, real, so that you go to these filthy gatherings?
          2. +3
            14 January 2013 16: 35
            Quote: alexneg
            Swamp frogs have gathered there. And the theme of this performance was originally kind of like "against scum". But it turns out that the scum themselves gathered against the scum, who advocate trafficking in children, i.e.

            Scum, definitely scum.

            http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_23096/

            In order to do this, that’s what they need to be.
        4. +4
          14 January 2013 13: 51
          Why psychos, quite normal people. They just have such a job - to sell their homeland. Nothing personal just business.
      2. +2
        14 January 2013 17: 12
        Quote: domokl
        Well, in every society there are mentally abnormal people .. About 5-6% ... Count the number of protesters and understand everything ...

        True, nothing. And since these 5-6% in one form or another will always be, there is nothing to write about this, it is in Nevsky that his "liberalism" has not yet disappeared.
        They must be crushed by these psychos, and not cluck on this subject.
        As Chapaev said, do not give a damn and forget
    2. Svobodny
      +1
      14 January 2013 10: 03
      lekhatormoz, did you read the article? This author writes about Russia, actually. Events in Moscow. You have a good nickname wink
    3. +5
      14 January 2013 16: 24
      Thank you, of course, for worrying about the Ukrainians, but I'm already starting to worry about the Russians — who will help Russia !? Really judging by the flags at US rallies! ???
    4. +4
      14 January 2013 20: 38
      lechatormosis,
      This is one people, forcibly divided. Friendship for another people? We are one people - we simply must be together.
    5. realt
      +2
      15 January 2013 01: 14
      The Ukrainian is a "nation" developed and implemented by the German special services. There are only two types of Ukrainian nationalists: 1st became such because of illiteracy, ignorance of the history of the issue, 2nd saboteurs. The first need to be educated, to help them pass the educational program. 2 - to plant and shoot .. It is time to stop all this nonsense of Ukrainization by force. Otherwise it will be too late
  2. +14
    14 January 2013 07: 15
    Today, without Spengler, it is clear that the West is dying, weakening the grip in the world. Sooner or later it all ends and I hope that I will live to see the moment when I see the sunset of the West and its minions !!!!!!!! angry
    1. S_mirnov
      -4
      14 January 2013 16: 32
      The "sunset of the west" is certainly a romantic affair, only it looks like it is being replaced by the rise of China and India. Well, what difference does it make to you who in the world will bank, or do you think that the Chinese will treat our raw-material colony more humanely?
  3. vladsolo56
    +20
    14 January 2013 07: 34
    The question is not why the West enjoys the fruits of the recent policies of the local authorities, I’m quite sure that with a normal domestic policy, all these rallies and processions would be just a reason for ridicule. When corruption flourishes in the country, and even more so, when the stratification of society has reached incredible proportions. When the authorities simply do not want to curb the immense appetites of the oligarchs and, as a result, the almost daily increase in prices, when the country's economy is directly dependent on Western investors. Is it really surprising that many are outraged by this state of affairs in the country, that it is with such a policy that it is easy to find those who are dissatisfied. I am sure that under normal social, oriented to strengthening all institutions (politically, economically, socially) power, no one will even think of holding a meeting or supporting the meeting. In our country, now the bulk of the population does not support the protesters, so the government does not. The state of expectation, passive observation is the position of the people in Russia. They do not believe anyone.
    1. +11
      14 January 2013 08: 07
      vladsolo56
      When corruption flourishes in the country, and even more so, when the stratification of society has reached incredible proportions. When the authorities simply do not want to curb the immense appetites of the oligarchs and, as a result, the almost daily increase in prices, when the country's economy is directly dependent on Western investors. Is it really surprising that many are outraged by this state of affairs in the country, that it is with such a policy that it is easy to find those who are dissatisfied.

      Is it really that bad? It is necessary to search, go, travel around the country - did not notice.
      Is all the negativity that you described justifies the presence of the Amer flag in the ranks of well-fed Protestants? There, Udaltsov also tried to burn a portrait of the president. Worldwide flags of the USA are being burned. And we have? Creatives (God forgive me), Mlyn.
      1. +10
        14 January 2013 08: 50
        Quote: Irkutsk
        When corruption flourishes in the country, and even more so, when the stratification of society has reached incredible proportions. When the authorities simply do not want to curb the immense appetites of the oligarchs and, as a result, the almost daily increase in prices, when the country's economy is directly dependent on Western investors. Is it really surprising that many are outraged by this state of affairs in the country, that it is with such a policy that it is easy to find those who are dissatisfied.

        I wonder why in Moscow they go to rallies and processions because they are fighting injustice? No, it is not clear to everyone, one part of society, which is not sufficiently "fed" and is deprived of the opportunity to earn billions and has lost power, protests, and any reason can be found. "March Against Scoundrels" is a great name, but why weave anti-magnetic law here. The law is correct, because it is enough to distribute your children, there is so much money in the country, and if, taking into account the stolen ones, send them to support orphans, then the rest of the children will envy the level of provision of orphans. But why are there no real protest figures among the anti-scoundrels? Where is this yellow independent trade union, where is this Shmakov, it was before the miners were taken to Moscow for amerovskie money to knock on their helmets in support of EBN. But the protest movement matured only for State Department money. Kasparov is unlikely to share his fees. And the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, where is her work among the working people, because she, as an implacable opponent of predatory capitalism, should go to the people, rally them in this struggle, strive to lead the trade union movement. Of course, the real communists will be imprisoned, persecuted in the media, but they must fight by legal methods as it is necessary, because the owners of the billion dollar dough and their henchmen will not give up power like that.
      2. rolik
        +8
        14 January 2013 10: 15
        Quote: Irkutsk
        Irkutsk

        Those who oppose the current government will always find a reason. Now these are children, then something else. They really want to eat, and without making money for it in the literal sense of the word. And the money received from the outside must be worked out, and they’re looking for any reason .. Today - children, tomorrow - a ban on the import of chicken legs from the United States. To grind in language. these are not bags tossing and turning. And what’s the most opposite, these oppositionists don’t need children and their rights, they’re absolutely violent about what will happen to these children in the end.
        1. +4
          14 January 2013 13: 21
          Quote: rolik
          And what’s the most opposite, these oppositionists don’t need children and their rights, they’re absolutely violent about what will happen to these children in the end.

          as, in general, to the deputies themselves, who spontaneously adopted this law, which is essentially correct, ...
          they themselves do not hide this, openly trumpeting at every corner that the law of "Dima Yakovlev" was adopted as an adequate response to the "act of Magnitsky" ...
          if not for Magnitsky, there would have been no "adequate answer", no one would even have remembered Dima Yakovlev (they did not remember four years ...) and children would still be handed out to foreigners ...
          and, for some reason, it seems to me that today the Americans lift the sanctions under the "Magnitsky Act" - and tomorrow our "servants of the people" will make every effort to quickly disavow the law they have just adopted ... request
        2. S_mirnov
          +1
          14 January 2013 17: 25
          Damn, the current government! The video is the protector of this power! Please give a reason to go to the demonstration! I beg you, Give a reason, at least one of:
          1. The ban on the transportation of NATO military cargo through the territory of the Russian Federation and the ban on NATO aircraft flying in the airspace of the Russian Federation!
          2. Refusal from import into the Russian Federation of American meat stuffed with biological additives!
          3. The ban on the import of GMO products (at least American)!
          4. The exit of the Russian Federation from the WTO!
          Oh please!!! at least one of these reasons! and let all the pro-American freaks take to the streets! By God, we will tolerate the day! crying
          Only now I think that at the head of this pro-American demonstration will go GDP with the entire composition of the State Duma laughing
          1. dedroid71
            0
            14 January 2013 23: 45
            Release the analogue of "Navalny and Co." on the streets of Washington. With slogans befitting local realities !! I'm afraid they won't be able to sit out at the Ecuadorian embassy. Rather, somewhere in Guantanamo ...
      3. vladsolo56
        +4
        14 January 2013 14: 45
        Did I write that I support the protesters? What do you doubt in corruption, and this is when even the authorities no longer hide that it has reached an incredible scale, or maybe there is no stratification into super rich and almost poor citizens. The fact that people are actually driven into bondage is this a secret for someone?
      4. S_mirnov
        +1
        14 January 2013 16: 35
        "justifies the presence of the amerskoy flag in the ranks of well-fed Protestants" - and as if you wanted such a rally to do without provocateurs? Although I would like to see the photo where the American flag is, otherwise everyone is talking, talking ...
      5. S_mirnov
        0
        14 January 2013 17: 37
        "Is everything really so bad? I have to look, I walk, I travel around the country - I did not notice." - Go not there!
        http://demotivation.me/py3iu2r7s0xapic.html
    2. +5
      14 January 2013 09: 04
      Quote: vladsolo56
      In our country, now the bulk of the population does not support the protesters, so the government does not.

      And here, Vladimir, it seems to me that you, as they say, are in the top ten. Absolutely true. And not only this is your statement, but all the others. The bulk of the population and the government with commercial structures close to it are on opposite poles. there is now a contradiction that will continue to deepen unless the authorities try to change the grossly skewed economic system.
      1. +5
        14 January 2013 09: 25
        Quote: baltika-18
        . The bulk of the population and power with commercial entities close to it are at different poles
        A cheerful statement ... And can you name a country where ALL the population will be at the same pole? As long as commodity-money relations exist, there will be an antagonism of the poor and rich ....
        The task of the authorities is not to support this or that pole, the task of the authorities is to smooth out the contradictions, to ensure that the living standards of the rich and poor do not differ too much ...
        1. +5
          14 January 2013 11: 30
          Quote: domokl
          The task of the authorities is not to support this or that pole, the task of the authorities is to smooth out the contradictions, to ensure that the living standards of the rich and poor do not differ too much ...

          This is true. But in our country, power does not smooth out contradictions, but on the contrary strengthens them. For example, the annual income of uncle Misha’s cattleman is 96 thousand, the annual income of the governor Misha (Men Ivanovo Region) is 18 million 437 thousand.
        2. S_mirnov
          0
          14 January 2013 17: 30
          "Can you name a country where ALL the population will be at one pole?" - USSR, have you forgotten chtoli?
          "The task of the authorities is not to support this or that pole, the task of the authorities is to smooth out contradictions, to make sure that the standard of living of the rich and the poor does not differ too much" - oh, what a misfortune is in my head! And I thought the task of the authorities is to protect and improve the well-being of the people of the country. And then you have as in a joke: - "what do they want? So that there were no rich ?, and my grandfather wanted that there were no poor!"
          1. +1
            14 January 2013 20: 54
            S_mirnov,
            When the Union was cool, there were practically no different Abramovichs and Khodorkovsky. Who is talented and hardworking, lived normally. Now the golden calf rules - this is bad.
    3. mamba
      +1
      14 January 2013 10: 09
      Quote: vladsolo56
      When corruption flourishes in the country, and even more so, when the stratification of society has reached incredible proportions. When the authorities simply do not want to curb the immense appetites of the oligarchs and, as a result, the almost daily increase in prices, when the country's economy is directly dependent on Western investors. Is it really surprising that many are outraged by this state of affairs in the country, that it is with such a policy that it is easy to find those who are dissatisfied.

      If this quote is extrapolated to Ukraine (with which, in fact, the author began), then we can explain the growing Russophobia of its Russian-speaking citizens. People passively expect Russia to take care of them and protect them. Deep down they understand that such consumer expectations are completely unjustified, but they do not want to accept. Hence the groundless grievances against their ethnic homeland, which allegedly betrayed them, and, as a result, the paradox - the Russophobia of the Russian-speakers. This is where labels like: "unwashed" Russia and further citations of the classics of the past centuries come from.
    4. S_mirnov
      -4
      14 January 2013 16: 40
      “This is the position of the people in Russia. They don’t believe anyone, the position of the people in Russia. They don’t trust anyone.” Enough to believe, it’s time to think, and let the priests leave the faith!
      "why the West is taking advantage of the fruits of the narrow-minded policy of the locals" - because the West is not stupid and is taking advantage of every opportunity to weaken Russia. And when there are thieves, at least add such opportunities! If worthy people were at the helm of the country, no attacks from the West would have been successful, and so the Power itself is itself, and the people itself is its own. The authorities steal, the people survive, everyone is busy thinking about their homeland! sad
      1. igor12
        -4
        14 January 2013 17: 32
        You must first write correctly, the victim of an abortion.
        1. S_mirnov
          0
          14 January 2013 18: 28
          Learn to treat politely, fight with your everyday life and people will cease to consider you an uncultured boor.
        2. +1
          14 January 2013 22: 03
          He is a Chukchi who is a writer, but not a reader ...)))
  4. CCA
    CCA
    +11
    14 January 2013 07: 36
    Quote: lehatormoz
    We cannot bring happiness to UKRAINE on a silver platter - we can only help UKRAINIANS to improve their own lives.
    Forced planting of any benefits to ANOTHER PEOPLE ALWAYS causes people to be rejected.
    Therefore, I consider everything in YOUR HANDS - We must fight for our future.
    And where is Ukraine ??? The author writes about us, and about "our" frostbitten liberals ... !!! ... Yesterday's rally, they (the liberals), at a hint from outside, called scoundrels' march, not realizing that it was about themselves ugly ... Truly education and reason for these people - absolutely different concepts ... Indeed, who pays - he calls the tune ... And about the US flag ... Now we all saw the customer in the hands of the demons
    1. lechatormosis
      +5
      14 January 2013 07: 58
      We will deal with our liberals sooner or later.
      And UKRAINE is in a more difficult position THAN WE ARE - SEPARATING ALLIES FROM US to divide the peoples and disgrace them THERE IS THE PROBLEM OF THESE LIBERALS both in Russia and in UKRAINE.
      1. +5
        14 January 2013 13: 51
        Quote: lehatormoz
        We will deal with our liberals sooner or later.
        Late - it may already be and no one needs.

        And UKRAINE is in a more difficult position THAN WE ARE - SEPARATING ALLIES FROM US to divide the peoples and disgrace them THERE IS THE PROBLEM OF THESE LIBERALS both in Russia and in UKRAINE.

        In Ukraine, everything is quite complicated, it's true. But...

        First, Russia needs to put things in order at home, otherwise the insurgents, even inside Ukraine, even inside Russia (or by joining forces, they have a boss who can coordinate them) can easily disrupt the process, even if it starts.

        It is enough for Russia to simply become strong and independent again, restore order and ensure a standard of living. This is enough to change the mood of pro-Russian inside Ukraine. Previously, ordinary people sought the West, for a well-fed life, for the rule of law and security of both personal and business (deposits). But now the situation is different, you need to seize the moment.

        The West is now in a downtrend.
        There is growing discontent among its own population, the standard of living is falling, and interethnic problems are growing. They are overwhelmed by waves of emigrants fleeing "controlled chaos" in Arab countries. This is the reason for the growth of crime, and unemployment and other problems. (France is already almost half an Arab country). The EU is bursting at the seams, and the Europeans themselves are beginning to flee from this ship (and some are going to throw out).

        On the contrary, Russia is growing and strengthening economically. To put things in order, to reduce the intensity of speeches about corruption - and not only Depardieu will run to Russia. They will run themselves! all "weak" are looking for a strong "defender". Nobody wants to associate their future with those who are at the peak. When the USSR lost the Cold War, all these small countries tried to move away from the falling colossus of Russia, so as not to accidentally catch it in the fall.
        Now they will run from the West if they see where to run ...

        Therefore, by strengthening and putting things in order in itself, Russia ensures itself the loyalty of its "former", and it will be much easier for us to build any alliances.
  5. +6
    14 January 2013 07: 37
    I agree that the patriots of their homeland, regardless of nationality and political worldview, will not go with enemy flags. So the potential list of articles under the Criminal Code on treason against the Homeland is almost ready. Case for small - bring to court
    in our country, liberalism and permissiveness have already been brought to 1917 and 1991.
    1. +4
      14 January 2013 08: 35
      Quote: Vasya

      I agree that the patriots of their homeland, regardless of nationality and political worldview, will not go with enemy flags.

      Yes, what actually happened something that everyone would not know already ?!
      All this "white tape" shushara, on the vine, with giblets, bought for bucks by Washington. After all, it was - obviously - even without these waving, a stars-and-striped rag.
      The fact that our opposition, opposing the current government in Russia, appeals not to you and me, to our voters and fellow citizens, but to the "transatlantic" State Department, is worse for them.
  6. +2
    14 January 2013 07: 43
    Now what does Moscow have to do with the rally? And why was this not even on the Maidan !? Yesterday, Muscovites, persons of Slavic appearance, like not Anglo-Saxons, carried American flags in the opposition column !!!

    Simply, a bunch of tsuk, visualized their cheap preferences and nothing more.
    1. +8
      14 January 2013 08: 19
      Quote: Bulls.
      Simply, a bunch of tsuk, visualized their cheap preferences and nothing more.

      They just have nothing more to offer people. If Putin didn’t sign the law and not just one slogan would be left. One and the same, Russia without Putin and that’s all. There is no program, nothing. Actually and not surprisingly, Washington pays for the clowning that SNN will show later and will tell Americans about the million-strong protest marches in Russia. In a word -On sucker laughing
      1. +3
        14 January 2013 08: 42
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        It’s just that they have nothing more to offer to people. If Putin didn’t sign the law and, in fact, not one slogan would be left

        Why would there not be? They would accuse him of selling his small and orphan citizens overseas.
        Well, that's why they would shout again, their favorite mantra: - "Putin, go away."
        1. +2
          14 January 2013 08: 54
          Quote: Bulls.
          They would accuse him of selling his small and orphan citizens overseas.

          The State Department will not pay for this, so there is nothing to offer hi
          1. +3
            14 January 2013 09: 36
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The State Department will not pay for this, so there is nothing to offer

            hi
            The State Department, in general, will stop paying them soon. For, not at all, did not work. Failure after failure.
            No "Russian winter", the anti-American law has been adopted. They did not interfere, although they probably promised and begged for money.
            Not luck after failure, the image of the "world gendarme" suffers from all this.
            Is it any wonder that after all this, Assad rests so much. So far, only he, and looking at him and us and others will begin
  7. +2
    14 January 2013 07: 48
    In Moscow, it got warmer, so a liberal trash crawled out into the streets.
    And now you can see exactly under whose banners these liberals.
    1. 0
      14 January 2013 11: 51
      Question. And in the Russian Federation there is a law according to which permission is required to hold a rally and an application submitted in advance to hold it? In Ukraine there is. And already by the one who permits all kinds of marches, one can understand "xy from xy". Well, if they persistently carry out without permission, the police are happy to "work with sticks" with the protesters.
      1. +1
        14 January 2013 17: 45
        Quote: Egoza
        Question. And in the Russian Federation there is a law according to which a permit is needed for a rally and a previously filed application for a rally?

        There is such a law. Moreover, after last year's May events on Bolotnaya, he was made much tougher than the Ukrainian one.
  8. fenix57
    +1
    14 January 2013 07: 50
    Quote: vladsolo56
    When the authorities simply do not want to curb the immense appetites of the oligarchs and, as a result, the almost daily increase in prices, when the country's economy is directly dependent on Western investors.

    Power is officials-deputies -LEGISLATORS. And why should they change something ...?
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Waiting state

    DANGEROUS THING HOWEVER. hi
    1. +3
      14 January 2013 08: 21
      Quote: fenix57

      Power is officials, deputies, lawmakers. And why should they change something ...?

      Especially considering that among them there are $ 17 billionaires, they will definitely not change. Laws are not adopted against themselves hi
  9. +11
    14 January 2013 07: 53
    I wonder what the participants in the “scoundrel's march” had in mind when they carried US flags and slogans about “direct democratization.” Is it like in Libya or in Iraq? Then they are not just scoundrels, they are just TRAITORS!
    1. +5
      14 January 2013 08: 23
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      I wonder what the participants in the "scoundrel's march" had in mind when they carried US flags and slogans about "direct democratization"?

      Yes, they had nothing, for which they paid nonsense and carried it in their speeches.
      1. +1
        14 January 2013 08: 56
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, they had nothing

        First of all, they do not have one of two: Oil in the head or conscience.
        Good morning Alexander hi
  10. avreli
    +3
    14 January 2013 08: 00
    I read the previous materials of the author completely, the same - before the phrase:
    So, we have a fact, Muscovites, Russians, Russian people go to the rallies against the authorities with American flags ...
    Dear, you are probably a sincere person, but do not worry - there is no drama here.
    And, perhaps, I will partially reproduce my post in ru_politics.
    The benefit is recent, and the topic is close.
    There were twenty thousand. And, in fact, for what reason emotions.
    The allowed political carnival of the Khazar intelligentsia (who doubts take a look at the photo), significantly flavored by the public, the look of which suggests that recruiting agencies have raised almost the entire crowd.
    Those who wish may be indignant, but the revealed contingent passes through the category of "people too." And by the way, acting as a decoration - we (type) are a free country.
    It’s right that they allowed, and it’s not dangerous, and to the west there is something to show.
  11. Warrawar
    +22
    14 January 2013 08: 12
    The article is basically good, but with one caveat. It is evident that the author does not live in Russia and to him the events that he sees from the news bulletins are perceived differently than they really are.
    I will try to clarify the situation with these "white tape" rallies in Russia and in Moscow in particular.
    Firstly, the number of these same rallies. At the first two meetings, last year, really a lot of people came. The first rally of 50-70 thousand, the second rally of more than 30 thousand. But it was a people brought from almost all of Russia, and then many had a number of questions for the authorities. But even such a number of protesters is insignificant in relation to the population of Moscow, I'm not talking about the whole of Russia.
    So, after the first two rallies, it became clear to the overwhelming number of "disaffected": what kind of people are in opposition and what they are calling for and what they want (THE GOVERNMENT REDACTED THE RIGHT TO STEAL FROM US, IT IS TIME TO RETURN THIS RIGHT TO YOURSELF hello Kasparov). As one of the prominent politicians said (he forgot who exactly) - "Give this opposition more airtime, and people will very quickly understand their stupidity." All further rallies were already on the decline, from the number of 10-15 thousand, up to 1000 people last autumn. Well, and the last rally of 7-9 thousand ... this is the number of crazy people from Moscow and the surrounding suburbs, these do not dare to say, people do not play any role not in the life of Moscow, let alone in the life of Russia. This is just a pitiful handful of traitors, cretins, and loafers.
    I had a couple of acquaintances in my acquaintances who were liberally inclined, but even they turned their backs on this opposition, and in the whole people the mood was the same. Personally, it even seems to me that this opposition was set up on purpose, so that contrast could be seen. Well, excuse me, only such beggars will vote for such rogues, and their number is not so great.
    So everything is all right! These sorties on the areas will soon end completely. And it even seems to me that the participants in these rallies will soon begin to be beaten, right in the street, along with their leaders.

    On the other hand, one can understand all kinds of Germans, new ones, etc. People are professional corrupt officials, crooks and thieves. Not to lose talent, so they breed all kinds of State Departments into grandmas. In their activities, it turns out even a positive element is present.
    1. +4
      14 January 2013 08: 54
      Quote: Warrawar
      On the other hand, one can understand all kinds of Germans, new ones, etc. People are professional corrupt officials, crooks and thieves. Not to lose talent, so they breed all kinds of State Departments into grandmas. In their activities, it turns out even a positive element is present.

      I completely agree with you, I already wrote about this above, but I considered it my duty to once again support your conclusions.
  12. +4
    14 January 2013 08: 28
    In vain the author is so worried. All this "swamp opposition" is already by society and even more so by the state "weighed-measured and recognized as unfit."
    They cannot gather people in Moscow, they bought up guest workers throughout Moscow for how much the cut green paper allocated by the US ambassador was enough. Again, the riot police took care of them so that this "march of Scoundrels" would not get from ordinary caring citizens, and as history has shown in Moscow, hundreds of thousands of them can gather without dough. And who are the leaders of the "scoundrels" B. Nemtsov, K. Sobchak and Co. Oh, yes for Russia they are "authorities", yeah, within the boundaries of the Moscow Ring Road.
    "March of the Scoundrels" is a group of foreign agents + outcasts + guest workers + onlookers, students or simply parasites, bought for bucks on the streets.
    1. Warrawar
      +2
      14 January 2013 09: 03
      Quote: GOLUBENKO
      Oh, yes for Russia they are "authorities", yeah, within the boundaries of the Moscow Ring Road.

      You are mistaken, there are no big differences between Moscow and the rest of Russia. In Moscow, these morons are also unpopular.
    2. +1
      15 January 2013 10: 14
      Quote: GOLUBENKO
      bought migrant workers throughout Moscow for how much was enough ... paper ...

      This receiver is wonderfully worked out by officials from EP wink
  13. +6
    14 January 2013 08: 30
    "... and where does the hatred for the Motherland come from, I don't understand ..."

    I will cite the words of the famous Swiss philosopher Denis de Rougemont: "The devil cannot love and does not love those who love ... The devil is the fifth column of all times and peoples! The devil is a party of parties and a union of unions ..."

    Liberalism is pure devilry! Remember who rushed to defend the "pusek" and spew poison about the Law of "Dima Yakovlev"; who pours slop on the Army and the Navy; who promotes gay tolerance and debauchery?

    A bunch of degenerates and moral disabilities!

    Even Lenin, at one time, with all his atheism, understood the threat posed to Russia by this stinking liberalism, and threw them, like a plague flock of mongrels, to the West in 1922 on "philosophical ships."

    It is necessary to deprive these "dogs", "bulk" and similar "Makarevichs" and "Posners" of Russian citizenship and expel them from the country to their beloved masters. Let them arrange "permanent" revolutions and wave the flag in front of the White House!

    And there, by no means, they do not like "amateur performances"! Solzhenitsyn experienced this in his own skin when he "liberally" launched into criticism of the order in the United States. We know the result ...
    1. +5
      14 January 2013 08: 35
      Quote: nokki
      Even Lenin, at one time, with all his atheism, understood the threat posed to Russia from this stinking liberalism, and threw them out like a plague to the West in 1922 on "philosophical ships

      Lenin brought all this infection to power, and Stalin threw them out.
      1. avt
        +2
        14 January 2013 09: 51
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Lenin brought all this infection to power, and Stalin threw them out.
        You are speaking the truth ! In addition to the desire to rebury a single swear word to him from passionate fans of everything that regulates
        market and liberalism not heard since 1991!
      2. +1
        14 January 2013 10: 28
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        Lenin brought all this infection to power, and Stalin threw them out.


        You understood my idea a little one-sidedly. I agree with your statement, but in part. Lenin used the liberals among the bourgeoisie and the intelligentsia as a corrupting factor in the Empire. And on this "wave" of pseudo-free thinking, like a surfer, he easily flew to the top of power.

        Lenin was well aware that the essence of the liberal intellectuals is "permanent revolution" (Leon Trotsky).

        Power, that is, the state, had to be defended! Therefore, he brought to life what the famous leader of the Great French Revolution Georges Jacques Danton said: "The revolution is devouring its children! .." But he interpreted it brilliantly like this: "... The revolution must be able to defend itself ..."

        Stalin simply continued this line. Although he was not completely freed from the Masonic Zionists in his circle. It is enough to say that only one M.I. Kalinin was a Russian person, both in essence and in deeds. The rest: either were Jews and half-blood Jews, or had Jewish wives.
      3. mamba
        +2
        14 January 2013 10: 41
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Lenin brought all this infection to power, and Stalin threw them out.

        No, Vladimir Ilyich and Leiba Davidovich started. In May 1922, Lenin proposed replacing the use of the death penalty for those who actively oppose the Soviet regime by deportation abroad: “All these are obvious counter-revolutionaries, accomplices of the Entente, the organization of its servants and spies and molesters of student youth. to catch and catch constantly and systematically and send abroad. "
        Trotsky commented on this action in the following way: "We expelled these people because there was no reason to shoot them, and it was impossible to endure."
        And comrade Stalin decided that he was logging, the Belomorkanal and executions are better than philosophical steamboats.
  14. fenix57
    +3
    14 January 2013 08: 35
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    There are no programs, nothing.

    And from whom will they come from?
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Washington pays for the clowning that the SNN will then show and tell the Americans about the millions of protest marches in Russia. In a word -On sucker

    Most offensive- THERE WILL BE TRUSTED ..
    1. +3
      14 January 2013 08: 58
      Quote: fenix57
      The most offensive- THERE WILL BE TRUSTED ..

      Yes, they don’t really believe that there are too many lies. Listening to Clinton about supporting the Syrian opposition, people vomit on YouTube and see this opposition screaming allah akbar. The government itself inspired them for ten years. That these are terrorists. And now .......
      In Russia, the situation is the same, they say constantly and a lot, one lie on which they are constantly caught. As a result, they buy weapons and ammunition in the thousands, fearing not their own Russia, but their own government.
  15. +3
    14 January 2013 08: 52
    Again, a one-sided view of everything that is happening in Russia. Well, you never know who in Russia walks and with what walks. On yours it turns out, if on a street of Moscow ran naked, then all Russians are exhibitionists. Strange generalizations. And if a bunch of "scoundrels" decided to once again show the lack of brains (judging by the slogans), then this applies to this bunch, and not to Russia.
    1. Warrawar
      +3
      14 January 2013 09: 06
      I agree with you 100%. Exactly and not otherwise. Those slogans that they voice are not the thoughts of all Russians or Muscovites. These are thoughts of that extras that gathered at the rally, and not otherwise.
      1. +1
        14 January 2013 19: 52
        I agree, but this is a very bad symptom. Excisionists are caught and punished, but what to do with these?
  16. +4
    14 January 2013 09: 16
    There is on that (Berdyansk) city site and here are such lines about yourself, about local residents written by a local resident))), regarding vandalism ..

    "The Russian person has an unselfish love for meanness. He will have nothing from this, but he will do nasty things to his neighbor." N.V. Gogol. Well, what do you want - a merchant city since ancient times. The attributes of such a culture are: envy, greed, meanness, greed, huckstering, ill will, deceit, deception. Transmitted genetically. Now it is still a long time to pay off. But if young people were attracted to planting bushes and trees, digging holes for roses, taking patronage and protecting them and caring for green spaces, then this would hardly have happened. Such a "green landing" is quite possible! And the city, and students, and the park, and grass, and flowers, and townspeople - only benefit. Department for work with youth, what world problems are you busy with?
    1. mamba
      0
      14 January 2013 10: 52
      Quote: comrade Misha
      if young people were attracted to planting bushes and trees, digging holes for roses, taking patronage and protecting them and caring for green spaces, then this would hardly have happened. Such a "green landing" is quite possible! And the city, and students, and the square, and grass, and flowers, and townspeople - only benefit

      For advice, you can contact Michelle Obama, who, along with young activists, plowed a two-hundred-year-old lawn near the White House and planted a tomato on the sunny lawn. fool
  17. +4
    14 January 2013 09: 35
    Article +
    The author, not only came out of the lethargic dream of the "orange plague", but is also trying to figure out what's next, who to hope for! And not without reason!

    Judging by the comments, some do not understand that the Russian-speaking population of the former post-Soviet republics, or living in territories that historically belonged to Russia, see in Russia the only support that can return them to their homeland.

    I believe that the author does not appeal for help, he, like me, is anxious to see that in Russia, the same processes are practically taking place that led to the Orange Revolution in Ukraine.
    As if the oranges did not boast, their coming to power was connected only with one reason - the previous government was inert, both to individual manifestations of separatism and nationalism, and to the open intervention of the West in political processes. The result resulted in 2004!

    What did Ukraine get as a result of this? Stratification of society, an unprecedented corrupt machine, virtually uncontrolled power, the revival of the Nazi accomplices from oblivion, a stopper in international relations, etc. All this, ripened on the basis of apathy, the majority of citizens, to what is happening.

    In Russia, although the situation is somewhat different, and the government is really supported by the majority, there are already all the signs, both manifestations of separatism in certain regions, and the "fifth column", which is free, and even paraded along the avenues with American flags. Naturally, having personally experienced the Orange Sabbath in Ukraine, the author is worried about Russia's ability to withstand these challenges, because it is on her that he is pinning his hopes and the future (just like me).
    1. 0
      14 January 2013 13: 17
      I still believe in those "Orange - infectious", as you say, ideals! Imagine if what was declared to us on the Maidan, at least 50% was realized? another thing is in those people who, on the wave of these ideals, came to power! This is where the root of evil lies. It's just that we were once again brazenly deceived and trampled into the mud. And ideals? I am ready to defend them even now. But I can hardly believe that there is a person who will bring them to life. And so is the majority of the population of Ukraine.
      1. Nevsky
        +2
        14 January 2013 13: 28
        Marine. At first, I also believed that it was a matter of traitors .... Read carefully: "the confession of a Russian Orangeman in Ukraine ..." There are reasons not to trust liberalism as a phenomenon ...
        1. 0
          14 January 2013 14: 26
          I agree with you Nevsky. Yet Dostoevsky said that liberals would destroy Russia. Maybe I didn’t say the article. I meant ideals. I'm tired of living by the principle - my hut is on the edge ... We live somehow. Perhaps carry. Perhaps some drunken mug will pass by and not hook. Maybe they won’t beat somewhere in the gateway, maybe they won’t notice the business and they won’t take away, maybe, maybe, maybe ... They got used to believe that this expression is inherent in the Russian people. And the Ukrainian people, how is it different? It was worth gaining independence in order to understand - nothing. They tried to outrage at the level of the country, as it turned out. And then it began that it’s better if they hadn’t tried it. The authorities were so weak and helpless that the same traffic cops showed the middle finger to the speaker at the speaker, and there was nothing for them. Naturally, the citizens decided that such a government did not suit them, and it was necessary to choose someone stronger. Have chosen. Of course you will not show your finger to Donetsk through the window, but now everyone else can, especially if you are from Donetsk or from its suburbs.
  18. Drugar
    -13
    14 January 2013 09: 36
    The author positions himself as a "former liberal", thus trying to brainwash the doubters, because it is fashionable to scold everything that is connected with this. For such types as he is, everything that is connected with the Americans Evil with a capital letter, an attempt to reject everything "not Russian", although in such a multinational country as Russia it is meaningless in advance.
    The March against scoundrels is the largest-scale action in recent years, uniting people who do not suffer from schizophrenia of the total Putinization of society and anti-Americanism, it is directed against people who, instead of adopting laws that will improve the life of the Russian people, like the last scum, hide behind orphans, children with disabilities, trying to regain the right to spend the loot in the "well-fed West."
    These representatives of the human race in the State Dura deprived Russian orphans suffering from severe genetic diseases of their last chance of cure, while in America they had this chance.
    Hiding behind children, Russian lawmakers only show their political impotence, their inability to solve any political problems in a civilized manner, although what kind of civilization can be expected from this thieves community.
    1. Nevsky
      +9
      14 January 2013 10: 07
      Dear Drugar, I’m not going to wash anything with anyone. Is it fashionable to blame the liberals and the orange here on the site ?! But I see this in a different plane: people gather here, who are not without different Russia. Unlike you, I have the experience of contemplating the victory of the orange ideology since 2004 ... Even the arrival of Yanukovych has not changed anything, he had already to adapt to the orange environment, he and his team even liked it.
      I have facts about how liberalism destroys Ukraine, my region, my city, Russian culture. Did you follow the forum link? Come, read other topics, Russophobia rolls over.

      Now about Russia, and about your claims to me to "grease" the trend. I agree that the government should do everything to solve the problem of orphans in the country, and rallies should be held to encourage them to do this. But excuse me, what happened in Moscow yesterday was not a protest in support of disadvantaged children, yesterday there was an action for the continuation of the transfer of Russian children to the United States, and in support of the United States, and Magnitsky's beating. Something I have not seen that the protesters stood up for family-type houses for receiving children, or for tax breaks for large families and the same family-type houses, or for private shelters? And this is very important! Either we are discussing a problem that has been exposed as a result of the American-Russian confrontation, namely, orphanhood in Russia, or we stupidly turn on the fool, believing that there is nothing better than taking children over the hill, and happiness awaits only there? All over the world, US flags are burning, and a part of Russian society, even a small one, is wearing them openly at rallies!

      I can discuss with you for hours, talk to me on the topic of civil society and building civil institutions, talk like 2 fingers on the asphalt, I'm a former liberal, I can play in your field, but the trick is that I have a better position ... my side: experience, time, liberal anarchy in Ukraine, I have something to compare. Liberalism does not know nationalities. Look for other ways to get out of corruption, etc.

      I am thinking of writing the following article: "Another opposition of Russia" ... This opposition should also speak out and criticize the Putin regime for being soft, excessively liberal, passive in putting things in order, etc.
      1. Drugar
        0
        14 January 2013 10: 55
        What kind of "claims to grease" I don't understand at all ...
        Unlike you, I have the experience of contemplating the victory of the orange ideology since 2004
        What is "orange ideology" anyway? This is a pseudo-system sucked out of the finger, which the oligarchy, shaking with fear, invented in anticipation of popular unrest to intimidate the apolitical and undecided part of the population.
        Ukraine is not Russia at the moment, although there is a lot in common. Both in Russia and in Ukraine, thieves with hoopugs are in power, multiplied by the post-Soviet mentality of the intimidated population, in these conditions, not a single progressive economic and political model has a chance for competent implementation, but totalitarian government schemes are very even. The only plus for Russia in such a situation is the oil and gas "needle", which only allows Putin's regime to remain afloat. So it's not worth trying on the "Ukrainian orange model" on Russia, we have a completely different story.
        Around the world, US flags are harnessed,

        Well, if you call the crowd of mad Muslims in Third World countries "the whole world", then of course you are right.
        Concerning
        Didn’t I see that the protesters advocated for family-type houses for receiving children, or for tax breaks for large families and the same family-type houses, or for private shelters?

        So what the hell our lawmakers, so that they were empty, adopted an idiotic law, instead of those that are discussed in your post, and which, you propose to exaggerate ... no, not in the State Duma, but on the street. Understand that all the horror is that they remembered about orphans only when a bunch of thieves-officials lost the opportunity to spend stolen in the same America you do not like.
        1. +10
          14 January 2013 12: 12
          Quote: Drugar
          What is "orange ideology" anyway? This is a pseudo-system sucked out of the finger, which the oligarchy, shaking with fear, invented in anticipation of popular unrest to intimidate the apolitical and undecided part of the population.

          Don't tell! It took a long time to cook! We started with young people at the Kiev-Mohyla "academy". Coaches from the United States came specially to teach the children how to conduct "peaceful actions" of protest, for which they cannot be officially imprisoned. For example, the guys put on shackles and walked around the Skovoroda monument. Also, their "tourism coaches" taught them to quickly put up tents (for some reason orange) and other delights. Then those who understood how it was possible to seize power, again with the blessing of the United States, who in time slipped their spouse a "real Ukrainian woman from the United States" to the future president, joined in. Well, the agitation worked. Again, many wanted to take action, to take part in something "revolutionary", to show that you do not depend on you either, or other "romanticism". The United States competently used the willingness of the Slavs to revolt, backing it up also financially.
        2. +2
          15 January 2013 10: 46
          Quote: Drugar
          Understand that all the horror is that they remembered about orphans only when a bunch of thieves-officials lost the opportunity to spend stolen in the same America you do not like.

          Your words are indirectly confirmed by the fact that the ban in the adopted law (well, quite by accident) concerns only one country - the United States. Nothing is said about the ban on the export of children to other countries. Is not it? That is, to other countries - please, as you wish ... In addition, it would be understandable if simultaneously with this law, the possibility of increasing funding for orphanages and benefits for foster families in Russia would be considered, but ... the Duma is about this did not remember? The president seems to have tried to somehow smooth the situation, but while the Duma considers this in the tenth reading, it will accept ... Everything will drown in the flow of chatter. For me personally, this fully suggests that when the law was passed, they were guided not by “caring” about children, as many here try to present it, but by purely political motives, hiding behind children. Therefore, I remain in my opinion: the Duma is a bunch of scoundrels and freaks.
    2. naive66
      -1
      14 January 2013 10: 11
      take a look at the statistics of American adoptions
      1. Drugar
        -1
        14 January 2013 11: 04
        Check out statistics on child abuse, including death Russian families. Against the background of these statistics, adoption by foreigners is just a salvation for children
        1. +5
          14 January 2013 15: 43
          These statistics are now widely known.
          More than 500 thousand adopted children live in Russian families. Killed at the hands of adoptive parents 16 children.
          About 49 thousand adopted children from Russia live in American families. Killed - 19 of these children. It just died, and how much is subjected to violence!
          From the point of view of naked mathematics, living in an American family for an adopted child from Russia is 12 times more dangerous than in a Russian adoptive family. Who wants to can calculate more precisely.
          Another problem is that American adoption agencies profit from adoption. And it’s not even that they receive $ 40 out of 50 paid by foster parents from the USA, but that they select mostly not disabled people, but quite healthy children (90%). Such could well be taken to Russian families, which are often refused or nerves shook, preferring to profitably sell the child to foreigners. This is a business, a shameful business. Therefore, the shop had to be covered, and in the country to create ample opportunities for adoption.
    3. Andrey64
      +1
      14 January 2013 10: 44
      Quote Drugar: "... These representatives of the human race in the State Dura have deprived Russian orphans ...."
      Oops .., didn’t Posner show up ?! I would have rolled to the west - we can take it there)))
    4. 0
      14 January 2013 22: 09
      You confused, "March of the scoundrels" ... More precisely.
    5. -1
      15 January 2013 03: 03
      And, have you personally read the law of "Dima Yakovlev" or have not read it according to the principle, but do not approve? So there the first 3 articles just concern people like you and your like-minded people, and the fourth article on the prohibition of adoption prohibits people like you from adopting children - orphans from Russia, so that you do not make janissaries out of them. Like the Turks in their time!
  19. +3
    14 January 2013 09: 46
    Quote: Drugar
    The author positions himself as a "former liberal", thus trying to brainwash the doubters, because it is fashionable to scold everything that is connected with this.

    Fortunately, he had already rinsed with him. And for those who advocate this, ostensibly for the fate of their children - to the tune of the US Congress, I would recommend that you take one child up!
    I think that all the enthusiasm, and the false alarm about their fate, will immediately disappear!
  20. Cavas
    +6
    14 January 2013 09: 54
    Liberalism is a tumor, it is a killer, it is the death of a people.


    Good article, not quite open, but from the heart. good

    Better late than never. laughing
  21. +8
    14 January 2013 10: 04
    And all the same, he is right-flags of the United States and the European Union on this procession sabbath tell me a lot ... that in the capital city of Muscovy not everything is in order ... not everything is in order with the head of Muscovites ... this will seem to you a joke, the other day my good friend told me what For some reason he tried to register with close relatives in Moscow, but nothing came of it with this venture ... I asked, because there were a lot of problems with registration, going to all kinds of authorities, kickbacks to all bureaucrats, he answered no ... his close relatives refused (and, according to him, in a harsh and rude form) ... and the reason for this is simple, in their opinion, he shamelessly "covet" on their private property ... Muscovites ...
    spoiled by crazy money evil and greedy people ...
    1. Cavas
      +1
      14 January 2013 10: 55
      Quote: submariner
      and the reason for this is simple - in their opinion, he shamelessly "zaritsya" on their private property .... Muscovites ...

      Well, if only such a reason, and I changed my passport so late, as always for a month, I did not accept the passport office, but within 3 minutes I issued a certificate and sent it to the police.
      I was already stunned, quickly, clearly, politely, there are no queues - I'm in shock. request
    2. 0
      14 January 2013 23: 29
      2 Submariner
      And on what, actually, dear basis, do you associate the entire population of Moscow with 7-9 thousand people with altered consciousness? In Moscow, 12 million people. lives, incl. 4-5 million visitors from other regions and countries. Among Muscovites different come across. So what? In your city there are no evil and greedy?
      My opinion, and it is correct, is that people who stubbornly try to oppose Moscow to Russia as a whole - deliberately or out of thoughtlessness pour water on the mill of those who dream of the further collapse of Russia. In fact, this is so. And why is this position better than that of the "swamp" and the aforementioned admirers of the American flag?
      In general, Moscow has the same sores as the country as a whole, only in a more acute form.
  22. CCA
    CCA
    +2
    14 January 2013 10: 29
    Quote: submariner
    in the capital city of Muscovy, not everything is in order ... not everything is in order for Muscovites with a head ...
    It’s true that it’s noticed ... It’s hard to disagree ... According to the reviews of those who nevertheless went to the rally (for the company), after watching the news, my eyes opened - why did I go there and now I’ll think 100 times about whether the company is in charge to walk ...
  23. +2
    14 January 2013 10: 31
    who will say - where can I reliably read (more or less reliably) what restrictions are there for foreign adoptive parents in other countries? otherwise I read that in the EU this is one of the requirements for accession (but is that so?)
    second
    Really rejoicing for Russian orphans, who will definitely be killed in Russia, if you do not give them to the United States, can not save them and adopt them? you decide for orphans or Americans? Children will apparently be killed not only in Russia but also in other countries where they can be adopted!
    and the third question I have is:
    Were there any demands from the protesters to improve the living conditions of children in children's homes? on simplifying adoption for Russian citizens? about the support of adoptive parents in Russia? or was there only a requirement for the support of American adoptive parents?
    and replica:
    These creatures (the Udaltsov-Ponamarevs-Nemtsovs and the like) do not care what topic the rally is - if only against Putin? I mean, screaming that "the authorities are using children is low" - and immediately grabbing this topic on the flag and again "dissolving the Duma Doloi Putin" - is this not "using children in politics"? (The same situation with the students was - right there the wise men galloped up to lead the dissatisfied !!)
    1. 0
      14 January 2013 22: 14
      Last week I read somewhere that Romania, like in 2004, before joining the EU, banned foreign adoption. This is one of the requirements for joining the EU. It seems so.
      1. 0
        15 January 2013 06: 40
        and so I read, but I want to be sure that this is so, otherwise you will bring an argument and stick your nose into the facts. In languages ​​I’m not strong - maybe this is where it is written on EU sites
  24. ded_73
    -1
    14 January 2013 10: 42
    Listen, Nevsky, what are you doing on this site? What is your goal? I was not lazy, search engines help me, but I did not find you in the founders of any organization to support and protect the "oppressed" Russian and Russian-speaking population of Ukraine. In Ukraine in general and in Berdyansk in particular. If you consider this problem urgent, why are you just talking and not doing anything? Or am I wrong? Doing, but not seeing results yet? You unite people, at least in Berdyansk, do you have a blog on some other site, have you found like-minded people and do you have a virtual organization? Or do people not follow you and to you? Share. Very interesting.
    1. Nevsky
      +2
      14 January 2013 13: 04
      Of course not found, I use an alias. I do not pretend to be a general, and I am not a general. I am a soldier .... I am a poor organizer and manager, and I have nothing to be ashamed of ... I say what I see and what happens ... If you are used to being a Russian-speaking Ukrainian, then I do not. I just want to remain Russian, but it is problematic not to be integrated into the state of Ukraine. I’m not calling for anything. Does it catch you? otherwise could I be accused of splitting Ukraine? I criticize the oligarchic Donetsk regime, which discredited the Russian idea in Ukraine, it is logical that I have the right to a pseudonym. I bring facts, it’s wildly understood by many, but the phenomenon of Russian-speaking Ukrainian nationalism and Russophobia is gaining in eastern Ukraine. I have a lot of facts on the example of the Berdyansk Internet resource, which is covered by the local authorities, there Russians are mixed with shit, like the Soviet past ... The owner of the site is a true Ukrainian - Sergey Belousov, (press service of the Berdyansk city hall)

      My goals Show how the Russian ethnic group unfortunately assimilates .... Sorry, that is not politically correct.
      1. ded_73
        +1
        14 January 2013 13: 38
        What is your understanding of a Russian-speaking Ukrainian? I do not really understand. And what does it mean to be "Russian, but it is problematic to be not integrated into the state of Ukraine"? Not being a citizen of your country? Or are citizens of the Russian Federation, shall we say, by nationality - "not Russian" are not assimilated in the Russian Federation? Explain this phrase, please.
        And again, since you, as you say yourself "have received your sight," try to see the light again and see that the state The Russian Federation does not need Russians abroad, and if they are needed, then as a situational assistant - nothing more, for solving individual tasks of the state. It is necessary, we call for Russianness and roots, we have completed the task - until we meet again. Isn't this one of the reasons, as you say, "the phenomenon of Russian-speaking Ukrainian nationalism and Russophobia." Dear members of the forum will probably peck me, but in my opinion it is so.
        All the more or less well-known Russian organizations in Ukraine are the use of mainly grandparents to elect local businessmen to deputies of different ranks to lobby their own interests. And no more ... Because even a language problem (which, in my opinion, practically does not exist today) is used only in elections. And then, this is not a trump card, but ...
        "Sorry that's not politically correct."
        1. +5
          14 January 2013 14: 28
          Quote: ded_73
          Russian-speaking Ukrainian?

          A person who speaks Russian at home thinks in Russian, but here is dad on the passport (old) in the column nationality is recorded as Ukrainian. Accordingly, the son is Ukrainian by nationality. Although, by and large, these are all Russians (Little Russians), who were rewritten as Ukrainians.
          1. ded_73
            +2
            14 January 2013 14: 46
            And what, does it bother him to live? Or influences his love, excuse me for banality, to his homeland?
  25. Nechai
    +4
    14 January 2013 10: 43
    Quote: lewerlin53rus
    Interesting, what did the participants in the "march of scoundrels" meanwhen they carried US flags and slogans about "direct democratization"

    Publicly and loudly demonstrated their self-name ...
    Quote: Drugar
    while in America they had this chance.

    Well, yes, yes ... Interpol CANNOT FIND 50% of children exported from Russia. Wonderful chance to go for parts and sex toys. Legalized trade, the most defenseless ...
  26. fenix57
    +2
    14 January 2013 10: 52
    Quote: lehatormoz
    And UKRAINE is in a more difficult position THAN WE ARE - SEPARATING ALLIES FROM US to divide the peoples and disgrace them THERE IS THE PROBLEM OF THESE LIBERALS both in Russia and in UKRAINE.

    Independence of Russia and other states threatens the interests of the United States, because it does not allow Washington to continue to unceremoniously dictate its terms to the world ...Russia is the only power capable of effectively resisting the United States by military means, and, accordingly, the only country capable of curtailing the imperial ambitions of the Anglo-Saxons if they go too far... Therefore, the Russian state, which thanks to its natural resources "rises from its knees" after the defeat, looting and humiliation in the "dashing 90s", which became a partner of China and retains the possibility of restoring special relations with India, undoubtedly remains in the eyes of the Anglo-Saxon elite its adversary No. 1. What will happen to Ukraine, the Anglo-Saxons by and large do not care. They are concerned about the growing power, and with it the increasingly confident policies of Russia, China and India. In this sense, for Washington, Ukraine is a pawn on the "Great Chessboard" that can be sacrificed in the name of the interests of American capital.
  27. +3
    14 January 2013 10: 55
    Nevsky BRAVO! There is nothing to add. Well done, that feels all the problems with mental pain and does not shout out stupid slogans.
    We guys, Ukrainians and Russians need to understand WHO WE ARE and decide how to use our political separation for the good. The people should be on the same wavelength. But bureaucrats cannot be united! Here is my selfish interest - if a juvenile triumphs in Russia, I will dump you. I don’t want to go abroad, but I don’t want to stay in Russia either. And Ukraine, whatever one may say, is still the homeland, including for the Russians.
  28. djon3volta
    +3
    14 January 2013 11: 01
    honestly? I used to hate Putin and the government. About three four years ago, I wasn’t interested in politics at all. In fact, I have the RAMBLEER homepage in the browser, I installed it when I bought the PC 5-6 years ago. Then there were no comments on the rambler there were just news and comments weren’t available. in general I didn’t read the news, of course, sometimes very rarely .. then I’m looking at comments on the rambler, people started commenting on the news .. I started reading comments, then I got involved, it was interesting to read what I think people .. and the feeling came that I began to understand politics, and most importantly, in kind, Putin and the government were to blame for the comments everywhere, I believed because there so clearly some people expressed their thoughts!
    then, before the elections to the Duma (December 2011), there were keyboard battles on rambler, this is zombie processing, it’s better than my brainwashing there specifically. who wrote for Putin post, it could be so messed up in a few seconds that the post was unreadable (hiding), but sometimes I read, interestingly, I thought what the moron for this cupcake, which was for EdRo and Putin, on-line. there and all kinds of links to YouTube were dropped, they say it’s foreign trolls, etc., then I unhooked one link (I’ll look, what the hell) .. and now when I watched this video, something turned upside down in me!
    1. Warrawar
      0
      14 January 2013 17: 47
      Quote: djon3volta
      honestly? I used to hate Putin and the government too. About three years ago, I wasn’t interested in politics at all. In fact, my browser homepage is RAMBLER

      YES SCRUMBLER is a rare cesspool. A stronghold of liberoids and Russophobes of the whole world.
    2. 0
      14 January 2013 22: 17
      Rambler is still a cesspool.
  29. +5
    14 January 2013 11: 17
    Quote: Drugar
    Understand that all the horror is that they remembered about orphans only when a bunch of thieves-officials lost the opportunity to spend stolen in the same America you do not like.


    The horror lies elsewhere! You deliberately emphasize one topic, closing your eyes to another - the "hegemon" of your so dearly beloved "courtesan democracy" tried to put Russia in another pose of the Kama Sutra!

    As for the first problem, it arose a long time ago and for good reason.
    Children are given in the hope of improving their fate, and not for bullying and deprivation of life. And it transfers them to other hands, the state, and not the mother, which is why it is obliged, and should have the right to control the adopted.
    1. +2
      14 January 2013 11: 40
      Quote: VadimSt
      "hegemon" .... tried to put Russia in another pose of the Kama Sutra!

      It seems that the "Magnitsky list" refers to quite SPECIFIC people from among officials, civil servants, etc. So what does RUSSIA have to do with it? What kind of fright did you put an equal sign between them? That is why they turn a blind eye to this topic, because it is precisely this, for the overwhelming majority of Russians, that is not a problem. Basically.
      1. +1
        14 January 2013 12: 22
        Quote: Ribwort
        It seems that the "Magnitsky list" refers to quite SPECIFIC people from among officials, civil servants, etc.

        Do you really think so? If you think so, where does such confidence come from? throw a link to the name of this list.
        As you probably know the list is open, and who, in your opinion, will add new names to this list in the future and what is the selection criterion for this list? In fact, something like that does not understand what and why, Uncle Sam threw you a tasty bone - nonsense about bloody corrupt officials, so you are splashing saliva. Remember, in a compartment with which amendment this law was adopted - read the Jackson-Vanik amendment at least in Vika about this amendment, read it? and what have we got out of the country before the cancellation (2012) Jews were not allowed out of the country. People surprise me: like zombies muttering with outstretched hands, - ... Magnitsky's law, Magnitsky's law. Uncle Sam is deeply violet who is stealing there and who and who is infringing on whom in what outside the borders of the USE. Eyes then damn it, open!

        If I saw this list (although it may be disinfectant) and who is it: investigators, deputy chief of the district tax inspectorate, etc., about 60 names of about the same rank, oh so bloody corrupt people destroying the Russian people)))
        1. 0
          14 January 2013 13: 03
          Quote: comrade misha
          the list is open, and who do you think will be adding new names to this list in the future and what is the selection criterion for this list?

          But I really don't care about that. I know that the majority of the Russian population does not have accounts and real estate in the United States and is not going to permanent residence there. And what suddenly bothered you so much?
          Quote: comrade misha
          Uncle Sam threw you a tasty bone - ravings about bloody corrupt officials, here you are

          Yes, and without Uncle Sam we know about this. Do you seem to hear about corruption for the first time?
          Quote: comrade Misha
          If I saw this list (although it may be disinfectant) and who is it: investigators, deputy chief of the district tax inspectorate, etc., about 60 names of about the same rank

          So is this with ordinary investigators account in foreign banks? Deputy chiefs of district inspections have mansions abroad ??? Well, thanks, well, enlightened ... I didn’t know that they SO richly live lol
          1. +3
            14 January 2013 14: 19
            Quote: Ribwort
            Yes, and without Uncle Sam we know about this. Do you seem to hear about corruption for the first time?

            Yes, you have to calm down already, they think they will be included in the list of Serdyukov and others like him, do not be naive.
          2. +1
            14 January 2013 22: 51
            Doesn't it even cross your mind that blaming can only be done by court order? Or comes, but skillfully blunt? Or am we, without the decision of OUR court on OUR citizens, we can determine who is to blame and who is not? Can you still say that I did not hear anything about Browder? And about the Kalmyk people with disabilities, whom Magnitsky harnessed neither by the edge of the ear, nor half-ear? ...
  30. -3
    14 January 2013 11: 24
    I do not want to comment in detail on the rally itself, although I have an opinion regarding it. In particular: to compromise any initiative or demand, if it were at least three times fair, the names of Nemtsov, Udaltsov, Navalny and a couple of Amer’s flags are enough. That is, if all this had not been there, it would have been necessary to come up with this op-la: Public opinion has been formed. Fast and cost-free. But in fact I’ll say the following: If this law was adopted half a year, a year ago, plus REAL actions of the authorities to solve the problem of orphans, most likely this law would support, but:
    This law was adopted not by itself, but in response to the "Magnitsky list", that is, as a response to the Americans for the fact that some of our officials will not be able to shop in the local supermarkets, use "back-breaking labor" in Russia, teach in the states of their offspring, etc.
    I don’t know about you, but for me this causes an association with how the Nazis, going into battle, covered themselves with civilians, old people and children. And there are no longer any illusions about WHOSE interests are being defended by the elected deputies in the Duma. The speed of adoption of the law is staggering, despite the fact that pedophiles (this also applies to children, aren’t they?) Have not decided yet. Why?
    For those who think otherwise, I propose to play the following situation: Suppose, GOD DON'T, something happened to your child and they can only help abroad. Do you have the courage to tell him "Die as a patriot in your homeland" ??? Or maybe you saw patriotism in leaving the child without a chance to have a normal family? But thanks to this law, some children will have nothing else. Sad ...
    1. +1
      14 January 2013 13: 22
      the fact that some of our officials will not be able to shop in the local supermarkets, use the means "earned by back-breaking labor" in Russia, teach their offspring in the states, and so on. - but for me the "act of Magnitsky" means that amers without trial and investigation can interfere with people and the country with shit all over the world.
      Can children be treated only in the USA?
      How moral are your "assumptions"? if you are so indignant about the immorality of the ban? And how morally do the oppositionists who came out with old slogans and cling to the ban only because there are dissatisfied and they can be "led" look like?
      1. -1
        14 January 2013 13: 28
        Quote: bddrus
        for me the "act of Magnitsky" means that amers without trial and investigation can interfere with people and the country with shit all over the world.

        That is, you, too, between the country and the people on the list put an equal sign?
        Quote: bddrus
        And how morally do the oppositionists who came out with old slogans and cling to the ban only because there are dissatisfied and they can be "led" look like?

        And why do you think that I care about any kind of Nemtsov, Udaltsov and other trash? I am talking about a specific problem. It is possible without reference to the rally, if it is more convenient for you.
        1. +2
          14 January 2013 17: 45
          our citizens are our country, not just a territory. The fact that you put an "equal sign" between this act and the impossibility of some corrupt officials, who are not in this act, to visit the US - HOW IS IT GENERALLY CONNECTED ???? the Americans declared them to be human rights violators - not corrupt officials - and to accept thieves, this is how this country was created, so don't be ridiculous about the bans - they could have been banned simply without issuing a visa and that's it
  31. Prosto vovochka
    +1
    14 January 2013 11: 41
    Nevsky, "Magdeburg Law". "MagdeburZkoe" - as you wrote, this is Russian-Ukrainian mova.
    1. Nevsky
      0
      14 January 2013 13: 08
      Of course, I wrote that the grammar and spelling of the Russian language is lame. Read carefully: "Manifesto to Russians in Ukraine!"
  32. +1
    14 January 2013 11: 42
    I understand the author’s concern, I myself live in Ukraine, although the article is somewhat chaotic, well, the Russian authorities allowed this demonstration, let them wave flags, let off steam, don’t rob shops, don’t turn over cars, behave decently, don’t arrest for "convictions" , and I, in the place of the relevant authorities, at that time figured out the organizers, what they were doing, where they got the money from, and after all the demonstrations, I got them on. This is how to act, not to fight the people, but to those who lead them astray.
  33. +4
    14 January 2013 11: 50
    I experienced in my own skin about the same evolution of self-identity as the author. Only instead of the Orange Revolution did I have a Ukrainian bourgeois-nationalist history. Being a big fan of historical science, I absorbed knowledge of history at school as a sponge. And this knowledge was given to me by the independent Ukrainian school, with all the consequences. By the age of 15, Bunin and Pikul, whom I loved more than others, became indifferent to me, like all Russian culture. I argued with my father, proving to him the self-proclaimed Ukrainian truth. It took me ten years to overcome the consequences of teaching pseudoscience (and Ukrainian history in its current form cannot be called otherwise).
  34. CCA
    CCA
    +1
    14 January 2013 12: 04
    I read an interesting comment on the resource http://www.odnako.org
    This march of scoundrels, always ahead of Germans and sages, showed that how poor these subhuman people (in Moscow-9tys. And in St. Petersburg-2tys.), How poorly they work out their grub, however ....
    This shows a unanimous attitude to what is happening ...
  35. +1
    14 January 2013 12: 10
    the glory of the Lord received his sight earlier ... Immediately after August 1991 ...
    During the Oranrevolution, theirs, wrote to his Ukrainian friends, said: "it will be worse ...." They did not obey ...
    1. Drugar
      -1
      14 January 2013 12: 40
      glory to the Lord received sight before ...

      Have you ever been a sect?
      And then the methods are very reminiscent of something ...
  36. iSpoiler
    +2
    14 January 2013 12: 27
    Who followed the link in the article .. ??
    who did not understand here -
    http://delovoy.net.ua/forum/index.php?topic=800.msg30215;topicseen#msg30215

    This is full PPC comrades ... !!!!!
    This I have never met ....
    Author test article ++++++
    1. 0
      14 January 2013 12: 37
      Well, I read there, but they write about themselves there: Well, what do you want, since ancient times a merchant city. Attributes of such a culture: envy, greed, meanness, greed, mercenariness, malevolence, deceit, deception. Genetically transmitted. each other's genetic degenerates are called)))
  37. +3
    14 January 2013 13: 00
    Moscow has long been a decaying city - after all, there, under the USSR, there was a maximum concentration of "blat", etc. and normal people began to be contemptuously called "scoops" - also a wind from Moscow.
    Therefore, the participants in the "half-bastard march" do not even understand what their slogans are - "well, you think the child will be an American, not a Russian" - since "it's shameful to be a Russian, but it's great to be an American," then selling children to Americans is a blessing for children, they say not they themselves (what they dream of), so even though the children will end up in this "country of universal happiness," but the fact that their homeland is taken away from the children - so these marching people do not know what that word is.
    (they think that this is some kind of propaganda of the authorities from the era of communism).
    1. -3
      14 January 2013 13: 22
      Quote: Andrey_K
      "Well, you think the child will be an American, not a Russian" - because "it is shameful to be a Russian, and an American - great"

      But this is not about that, no need to distort. To paraphrase you, we can say: "Well, you think a child will die in Russia as a patriot, since the state is gradually leaving all social spheres, including medicine, but will not become an American." "Well, you would think that someone has no future, because there is no one here to take care of them, and the state is reluctant to do this and not fully, but in spite of the United States."
      I am surprised: You all so calmly decide the fate of children, but which of you asked at least one orphan: Would he like to have a FAMILY, even in America, or to live in an orphanage in Russia? Well, so, they asked ???
      Maybe one of you personally participated in the adoption of orphans? Not ready? So who are you and on what basis do you decide what will be better for the children?
      1. +3
        14 January 2013 15: 17
        Happiness is a loose concept.
        I doubt that the foster family fully replaces the real one.
        A real family is not only full of food - it is also a family album, grandparents and a series of ancestors to be followed.
        But in addition to the family, for the happiness of a person, a native country is also needed (one of the philosophers correctly noted this).
        And this is also a memory of heroic ancestors and a reason for pride (if it did not work out with parents).
        The host country is another surrogate number two.
        What can you be proud of here if you have nothing to do with this country, living in a "family" that may have taken you on maintenance for the sake of an allowance or some other benefits?
        Well, a little cynical, reasoning:
        Until a child is at this age - he still does not understand what is good and what is bad and cannot decide this - until he grows wiser - this is just a "resource", a strategic one.
        And selling children is like selling territory is the future of the country.
        Yes, it’s bad for him in the orphanage — and for whom it’s easy — some have a difficult childhood, while others have old age — not joy — life justly shares all joys and sorrows among people randomly and in accordance with the efforts expended.
      2. +2
        14 January 2013 17: 50
        and who are YOU to decide ???? or did you adopt? and adopt if you are so worried? you - opponents of the ban - shout that "the child will die in Russia" - so save - well you are ready to send to another country - who said that there 100% of him will be treated and saved? The ban on adoption was introduced not on the Magnitsky act, but on America's refusal to ratify international agreements, according to which responsibility for the fate of adopted children is higher - they will ratify - they will cancel the ban, but not the ban on NPOs
    2. coast
      0
      14 January 2013 16: 49
      Andrey_K,
      and you know how we do, and when was the last time you were in Russia, probably from the time of the union, but Kiev has not rotted yet, and you are probably from the western
      1. 0
        14 January 2013 18: 04
        No, I'm from the Crimea.
        And what do you have ... so bad?
        I have relatives in Moscow and St. Petersburg - they don’t complain about life.
  38. +4
    14 January 2013 14: 19
    And that Stanislav, you + for the article! I hope these with Amer’s flags have already been snapped and it’s soon, sooner, but they will work for the good of the Motherland in the mines of Magadan!
    But what I noticed in Ukraine is this:
    1 A huge number of religious denominations - Adintists, Evangelists, shakers and Baptists with cocks and the Greek Catholic 7 day! Powerfully started to slaughter people !!!
    2 Songs and the history of Ukraine goes right in the same hysterical-Goebels scenario - we are the first, we are the best and the very best, no matter what!
    3 Ukraine is controlled by clans of oligarchs and they don’t give a damn about the people !!!
    4 Large plants and factories are put under the root - they stand if they have not ruined Nahheher already! almost all sold to the West!
    5 And ​​the West does not need and do not want to Russia - constant throwing as a political prostitute!
    6 The people are tired and are already openly hiding power from their mother openly!
    7 Bankers, bandits and businessmen with deputies live well - well, here we have it!
    8 Many men and women left for Europe to work - you know, from a good life they don’t dangle in Italy and Spain!
    9 The brazen, offensive nationalism of the Bandera UPA-UNSO - I think for the money of Amers and Britons - they really want to split us and quarrel !!!
    This is for 3 vacation week, in Western Ukraine!
    PS Beer, herring, sausage, moonshine, lard and cottage cheese are much tastier with YOU !!! laughing
  39. Atlon
    +2
    14 January 2013 14: 25
    Well done author! While collecting his thoughts and writing his article, they were already ahead of the curve. :) Well, I'm not offended!
    As for the "March of the scoundrels" (yes, yes! The new meme, like the "swamp"), Starikov wrote very well:

    “Opposition” once again clearly demonstrates to the citizens of Russia the interests of which country it considers to be its own and with the politics of which power it represents itself. And this power is not Russia. On Sunday, January 13, those forces are going to pass through the streets of Moscow who believe that young orphans from our country must be taken to the United States. For their event, the "opposition" again chose a striking name for the emotions.

    And it seems to me that this opposition march, in fairness, should have a slightly different name.

    "March of the scoundrels."


    all text here: http://nstarikov.ru/blog/22871
  40. 0
    14 January 2013 15: 05
    And I liked the game of drummers in the video.
  41. MG42
    +2
    14 January 2013 16: 06
    In the video in the subject, I saw only one aunt with the amerskoy flag but 0-44 minutes. "she shouts to every child mom and dad" apparently opposed the ban on adoption for amers, as well as several. EU flags and a pair of Jolly Rogers ala anarchy mother of order wassat = >>> every rabble. I don’t know where else the flags are, apparently there are eyewitnesses and this did not appear on the video.
    Regarding Ukrainian Maidan == far away, we were beaten not in drums, but in rusty barrels under the Cabinet lol , set fire to them and basked on them with a Khreshchatyk maidanut.
    1. +2
      14 January 2013 16: 28
      oh I remember these circuses !!!!!!!!!!!!! all just to not work and not study - grandmothers were paid left and right, as it then it all started to annoy .... - horror !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and then when Orange Shrek merged everything so mediocre - they hid their tongues in the ass, and didn’t even apologize to the rest of the citizens for their mediocre choice .........
      1. MG42
        +3
        14 January 2013 16: 48
        Quote: Dart Weyder

        oh I remember these circuses !!!!!!!!!!!!! all just not to work but not to study - grandmothers were paid left and right, as then it all started to annoy .... - horror!

        This is also Maidan = how much dirt they left behind =


        Most of all, the situation was interesting, how did the team turn off, and not the organizers paid, so they turned out to clear the roadway until they issued the promise. There were, of course, ideological ones, but they didn’t spend the night in tents, they came - they left. But in general everyone was disappointed, especially oranges.
    2. MG42
      +1
      14 January 2013 16: 31
      And why was this not even on the Maidan !? Yesterday, Muscovites, people of Slavic appearance, like not Anglo-Saxons, carried American flags in the opposition column!

      And here's a photo of those orange events on the Maidan = >>>

      For objectivity, Nevsky, there were the flags of England, a lot of Georgia, the Czech Republic, the EU amerskiy too
  42. 0
    14 January 2013 17: 27
    well, why so, it took the author 6 years to bring out orange hops, and from the first day I knew that it was all a circus. My hair stood on end when I found out that Yushchenko had taken the oath after the first round in Rada. I thought the batch would start, but it blew through. So that would not be confused in their preferences, it was necessary to read the right books in childhood
    1. wax
      0
      14 January 2013 17: 52
      Darling komsomolets, it’s not quite decent to jab in relation to others, it’s time to become a communist.
      1. 0
        14 January 2013 19: 21
        when me and my people interfere with shit not up to decency and I didn't sit idly by in 2004-2005, "Darling"
        "
  43. igor12
    +1
    14 January 2013 17: 37
    What kind of a bitch walked there with the American flag, he would have been a freak in our city, he would have been stuffed with this flag in his ass.
    1. Larus
      +2
      14 January 2013 17: 47
      This is the same paid hundreds. Today, supposedly in support of adoption, tomorrow in support of fag, and after tomorrow, someone else will support the thread
  44. Larus
    +1
    14 January 2013 17: 46
    Nothing, and there will be a holiday on our street. We will send all the "Ukrainians" to their masters, let them work for them. And all of us RUSSIANS will definitely unite, not in the first. After all, in every century we were divided, but we will unite again !!!
  45. Horde
    0
    14 January 2013 18: 17
    You look at Nevsky, WHO is in the forefront - this is F&D Nemtsov, Udaltsov, you must, how they sang together, yet this bl ... Dina Sobchachka climbs into politics and what is characteristic is wiping around in the stands at all sorts of rallies, I look at them disgusting, one Yeltsin henchman helped the drunkard to ruin the country in 90.e. Wait a scrambled climbs higher to rummage around in the treasury, otherwise he says the right words, but HIM NO FAITH, he is from the kind of revolutionaries who destroyed Russian people in the revolution. Where can such "leaders" lead? ONLY IN "BOLOTO". Therefore, the authorities are already not afraid of such "opposition".
    And there are not many Russians in the crowd either, Russian people are beginning to see clearly that everything is not right here, therefore, they are not climbing into these and the marsh-marsh-white-tape rallies that do NOT solve ANYTHING.
  46. +3
    14 January 2013 19: 13
    Stanislav, thank you for raising problems (thanks without any sarcasm), which for us living in Russia have become familiar, have become a daily backdrop. Of course, this is unnatural (I mean these freaks), but we have no time. You see, the country is moving forward. And there are always people, due to lack of mind, flexibility, creativity - if you want, they do not have time to go along with it. Remember, GDP to the replica sobchak about Siberian Cranes said - the weak with the cranes did not fly. Paradoxically, it is the weak who walk the streets with these flags. Strong work. So tomorrow I will be in the northern Russian city, where the power of the Russian fleet is being created. You know what a thrill to look at the hulls of ships, submarines - our ships, the guarantee of our freedom, into which I will bring (albeit microscopic) my part. Then, next week - again a trick. Northern, frozen beauty, boiling under the onslaught of our people. Well, all sorts of loafers hang around with colored rags along Moscow avenues. Holy fools. I pity them. Their life is boiling yeast in go.ne. Those who have forces in our country find where to put them without it. Thank you so much. In principle, we should raise these issues. But we have no time. We are working for the future.
    1. +1
      14 January 2013 19: 33
      I fully support
  47. stranik72
    0
    14 January 2013 22: 14
    Quote: homosum20
    Remember, GDP to the replica sobchak about Siberian Cranes said - the weak with the cranes did not fly. Paradoxically, it is the weak who walk the streets with these flags. Strong work. So tomorrow I will be in the northern Russian city, where the power of the Russian fleet is being created. You know what a thrill to look at the hulls of ships, submarines - our ships, the guarantee of our freedom, into which I will bring (albeit microscopic) my part.

    Let me remind you, in the late 80s, they looked at those who walked with the "Vlasov" flag in the same way and that, where is this flag now, everything is correct over the Kremlin. Therefore, we are in vain (and the authorities are certainly in vain) do not react to this. What needs to be done now PR actions in the media, showing these persons and their moral "strangulation". Everything is too serious, staff members would have applied the "abandoned book warehouse" method to some oppositionists long ago.
  48. +3
    14 January 2013 23: 55
    Here in the report from the "March against the scoundrels" and the American starry flag, someone argued that it was not.
    At 8 minutes.

    1. MG42
      +3
      15 January 2013 03: 16
      Quote: NEMO
      someone argued that he was not

      If this is you for me = I commented on the video in the topic, there is 1 flag, on your video there is another picture >>> more complete +. And on the Maidan amersky flag was also. The Orange Revolution is like Yusch = a project of the US State Department, and Yushchenko's wife = Katherine Chumachenko worked there.
  49. +1
    15 January 2013 01: 36
    Roth Front, comrades.
    A few words about this law ...
    For a very long time I was furious about the fact that our children, our kids, had been rushing over a hill for a long time, excuse me, almost with trumpets. Many of the laws adopted in my beloved country, frankly, are often simply discouraged and stupid, but this law, no matter how political (or anti-political, as you like) he is, I, as a citizen of Russia, are satisfied in all aspects and that’s what I’m saying.



    P.S
    Short review of several videos in the comments about the procession liberalists liberals:
    I would feed these devils with star-striped flags, so that a cloth would climb from a famous place! There will be stars & stripes, c * ki. He is grateful .... fat bastard.
    Good luck everyone.
  50. +2
    15 January 2013 03: 19
    So what is so terrible written in the "law of Dima Yakovlev" and is it really an adequate answer to the "Magnitsky law"? Below are some articles of the law in abbreviation with comments. The current version of the law can be found here.

    Article 1 states that measures of influence on persons involved in the violation of the rights of citizens of the Russian Federation include:
    1. Prohibition of entry into the Russian Federation of US citizens:
    c) involved in the abduction and illegal deprivation of liberty of citizens of the Russian Federation;
    e) carrying out unjustified legal prosecution of citizens of the Russian Federation;
    2. the arrest in the territory of the Russian Federation of financial and other assets of US citizens who are prohibited from entering the Russian Federation, and the ban on any transactions with the property and investments of these citizens.

    “1 Article” is a mirror image of a set of measures to prosecute Russian citizens by US law. And judging by the fact that up to 80% of Russian offshore companies belong to US legal entities, there is something to worry about.

    Article 2
    2. For US citizens:
    1) a ban is placed on the disposal of property located on the territory of the Russian Federation;
    2) suspension of activities in the territory of the Russian Federation of legal entities under their control;
    3) powers (membership) in the boards of directors or other governing bodies of organizations registered in the Russian Federation are suspended.
    Article 3
    1. In accordance with this Federal Law, the activities of non-profit organizations that participate in political activities carried out on the territory of the Russian Federation and receive money and other property free of charge from citizens (organizations) of the United States of America or implement projects, programs or implement other activities that pose a threat to the interests of the Russian Federation are suspended by the federal executive body; yayuschim responsible for drafting and implementation of the state policy and normative legal regulation in the sphere of registration of non-profit organizations.

    2. A citizen of the Russian Federation holding the citizenship of the United States of America may not be a member or head of a nonprofit organization, its structural unit or structural unit of an international or foreign nonprofit organization (branch, branch or representative office) involved in political activities carried out in the territory of the Russian Federation.
    Article 4

    2. In connection with the prohibition of the transfer of children, who are citizens of the Russian Federation, established by part 1 of this article, for adoption by citizens of the United States of America, terminate on behalf of the Russian Federation the Agreement between the Russian Federation and the United States of America on cooperation in the field of adoption of children signed in the city of Washington on 13 July 2011 year.

    Thus, based on the above extracts from the law, it can be argued that the law is named after “Dima Yakovlev”, the draft of which was approved on December 21 of 2012 of the year on the 133 anniversary of the birthday of I.V. Stalin is a big step towards the acquisition of full sovereignty by Russia. And the statements of individuals and organizations in the government of the Russian Federation against the adoption of this law indicate the interests in whose interests these “persons” actually act.
    Already got this unfounded discussion of the law about which everyone knows, but no one has read. Here is a copy-paste of the law from the KPI website. Read, draw conclusions.
  51. Kadet_KRAK
    0
    16 January 2013 15: 44
    Captain 45 is great.
    Information taken from the site kpe.ru.
    I ADVISE EVERYONE TO VISIT THIS SITE FOR A COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE COUNTRY AND IN THE WORLD AT THE WORLD VIEW LEVEL.