Military Review

UTS-15 Assault Rifle

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In 2011, the Turkish company UTAS presented its version of the "assault shotgun", the magazine capacity of which was 14 rounds 12/70 +1 in the barrel or 12 + 1 rounds 12/76. However, few people know that in fact this gun is not entirely Turkish, but developed by Smith & Wesson. So, a Turkish company was only supposed to be engaged in production, when all the development tasks weapons lay on the shoulders of the American armory company. Let's try to figure out how the American gun became Turkish, as well as get to know this interesting sample of weapons.

The idea of ​​creating a weapon that would have a large-capacity store was born in 2006. Actually the idea was not new, many manufacturers set before their designers the task of creating such weapons. The main problem with the design was the fact that almost all the weapons layouts, which make it possible to install a large-capacity store, were either too large in size or belonged to other weapon companies. Options for which you would not have to pay the money would disappear almost immediately, because it was decided to consider the already existing models of weapons in order to create their model on their basis, which, of course, should be better in all respects. After a brief search, the company's attention was drawn to the South African model of weapons, known as Neostead. This smooth-bore rifle had a layout in which food was supplied alternately from two tubular stores located above the barrel. Handle hold, and accordingly, the trigger mechanism was located in front of the chamber, to minimize the length of the weapon while maintaining the capacity of the tube-shops, because you can even say that the weapon was created in the bullpup layout. The total capacity of the two stores was 12 12 / 70 + 1 cartridges in the chamber. The weapon was reloaded manually with the help of a mobile forearm. Sights were mounted on the handle for carrying weapons in the form of front sights and dioptricheskogo pillar. The equipment of the stores was carried out while raising their back part above the trunk. Interestingly, the mechanism of weapons allowed food only from the left magazine or only from the right one or alternately from each store. In more detail, this sample will be analyzed somehow in another article, but for now let us return to the Turkish-American gun.

Having chosen the basis for its future weapons, the company decided not to put pressure on authority, but honestly acquired permits for the use of individual solutions in its weapons and several units of South African smoothbore guns. As a result of the study of the received samples of weapons, Smith & Wesson decided to preserve the layout of the weapon and its basic principle of operation. However, at the same time, they decided to completely redesign all the mechanisms of the gun, and also to reduce its weight as much as possible without losing strength, since 3,9 kilograms of the Neostead gun without cartridges seemed too heavy for modern weapons. From that moment on, Turkish designers "joined" in the development of weapons, offering their solutions on their own initiative with which it was not so easy to argue. The project was led by Ted Hatfield, it was his ideas to take the South African gun as a basis. Work on the Urban Tactical Shotgun project with a total capacity of two stores took almost 3 years. When the weapon was already ready for mass production, Smith & Wesson sold the rights to this weapon to a Turkish company, and from that moment the gun became Turkish.

The reasons why Smith & Wesson abandoned the idea of ​​selling this sample under their own name is not a big secret. In 2008, it was very difficult to find customers who could afford to buy these weapons in the amount that would suit the company. Given the financial crisis, many people became interested in this weapon and made offers to buy "on credit" under the most favorable conditions, but when the money was needed already yesterday, such offers were not even considered. The Turkish company offered money immediately, seeing the prospects of the new model, which was the reason for the sale of the rights to weapons.

Since in 2008, many people were interested in weapons, but few could pay, the Turks did quite cleverly. They simply hid this sample until better times, and so that no one pulled them, it was reported that the weapon needs some work. Unfortunately, it is not known whether this sample was actually refined or not, but only in 2011 was the old-new rifle presented to the public, just when the global economy was no longer actively shaking.

UTS-15 Assault RifleThis model of weapon was a rather interesting externally model of an “assault” gun. Tube shops, like the barrel itself, were hidden under impact-resistant plastic. On the surface of the model there were several controls, allowing not only to switch the modes of operation of the weapon, then to control the ammunition without taking your eyes off the sighting devices. First of all, an interesting solution was to deduce the external sliders, which were connected to the feeders in the stores and acted on the surface of the weapon. With their help, it was not only possible to control the number of cartridges remaining in the stores, but also to fix the feeder spring in order to facilitate the ammunition equipment. To control the ammunition on the surface of the weapon there are figures corresponding to the number of remaining cartridges, however, they are designed for 12 / 70 cartridges, therefore when using 12 / 76 ammunition they will not correspond to reality. Also in the upper part of the weapon there is a switch that is located almost in front of the shooter’s face. The task of this switch is to provide the ability to switch the power supply of weapons from a particular store or to force a weapon to feed from two stores alternately. Recharging is carried out using a movable forearm gun, locking the barrel when turning the bolt on the 3 stop, which are not coupled to the projections of the receiver, but directly behind the barrel itself, which reduces the strength of the materials used, without loss of reliability of the gun. Above the pistol grip on the left is the switch fuse, in fact, it is the only convenient element of the weapon in this sample. The switch of stores, located in the face of the shooter, is inconvenient neither for switching, nor for control, if, of course, the shooter does not have a squint.

In the process of creating weapons completely ruined the ease of reloading, which was present in the South African gun. Now, instead of lifting the tubes over the barrel and inserting the cartridges one by one, we had to do the same, but through the window on each side of the weapon, the insertion process was not facilitated, and before charging it was necessary to pull the spring of the feeder forward and fix it in the compressed position, while still holding the charging window open. Partially, this procedure was facilitated when the weapon cover was removed, then the charging was carried out directly into the tubes and there were much less chances to deform the cartridges, but still it didn’t give that simplicity to the loading procedure of the weapon like a South African rifle. Plus, do not forget that the windows for charging, even if covered with lids, in fact, open doors for dust and water. Throwing out the spent cartridge case is carried out on the right side of the weapon, also through a covered window. Consider a significant drawback, the presence of multiple moves for dust and water into the weapon, according to the manufacturer, is not worth it, after all, the weapon is intended for urban combat, but personally it seems to me that the fighter will absolutely not care under what conditions his weapon will fail.

Sights for this sample can be very diverse. Even open pillars and front sight are installed on a long bar of the picatinny type and can be replaced with more convenient ones for the shooter. Of interest is the nozzle on the trunk, which comes standard in the kit, it allows you to safely knock out locks from the door. An interesting solution in the weapon was to equip it with a laser target designator, as well as two types of flashlights, one of which is very ordinary, the second shines in the infrared range, which can be useful when using active night vision devices. Naturally, the equipment may vary depending on the wishes of the customer, and even such a question as to chrome the barrel bore or not is also negotiated.

Opinions about this weapon were divided among experts. Some consider it too large and inconvenient for urban combat, noting separately that it is impossible to quickly equip stores with ammunition, against the general background of the risk of deformation of ammunition when charging, which, of course, can cause gun failures. Others consider such a model to be an ideal smooth-bore weapon in the city and in confined spaces, noting that 15 cartridges are enough. Of course, I’m far from foreign experts, but I have a definite opinion about this weapon. This is a really easy sample of a gun with medium dimensions, which will fit well into the conditions of the city and during combat in rooms, I would like less of course, but then the store capacity will suffer (we do not take into account the barrel length, since it is not really needed at short distances) . Two capacious stores are a definite plus for the UTS-15 rifles, however, in fact, the inability to replenish the number of cartridges is an undoubted minus, because no one knows how much the event can take. Separately, it should be noted the possibility of deformation of cartridges and failures associated with this. Of course, we can say that failures are easily eliminated when the top cover is removed, but if the normal possibility of replenishing stores with cartridges was organized in the weapon, then it would not have been necessary to eliminate anything. The possibility of firing only from the right or only from the left magazine is sufficiently demanded as you can switch between bullet and shotgun ammunition or any other two types of ammunition. And everything would be good in this switch if the switch were not located in front of the shooter’s face. In general, initially the idea of ​​such weapons was good, but they only realized it as if they had created a bunch of problems that they immediately had to solve. Why it was impossible to leave the possibility of raising stores up above the barrel for reloading, as in the South African Neosread gun to me is completely incomprehensible, because it would solve almost all the problems of weapons and it would have remained only to move the store switch to a convenient place.

The weight of a shotgun without cartridges is only 2,8 kilograms. Its total length is equal to 720 millimeters with a barrel length of 470 millimeters. The chamber chamber is designed for sleeves with a length of 76 millimeters, which does not interfere with the use of cartridges with a sleeve length of 70 millimeters.

The production of UTS-15 rifles is organized both in Turkey and in the United States to ensure this really large sales market. Weapons are offered in a wide variety of external coatings, from “radical black” to camouflage coating, depending on the area where the weapon will be used. There is no information on whether there is a civilian version of such a weapon, but I think that many hunters would be happy to have two versions of ammunition at hand, between which you can switch, that's just the appearance of the gun is not at all hunting.

Summing up the article, I would like to note that the UTS-15 rifle is definitely a beautiful model. In the best traditions of Hollywood, the very idea of ​​a weapon is beautiful and, under normal implementation, would quickly destroy all competitors who are also trying to position their guns as fighting ones ... Once implementation and pumped up. Probably, weapons for people who are comfortable to use, have forgotten how to do it completely, and all forces are directed to ensure that it is “like a movie.”
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  1. borisst64
    borisst64 14 January 2013 10: 01
    0
    The gun can be either a hunting one, or a photo, military weapons have other names. IMHO.
    1. scrabler
      14 January 2013 11: 54
      +3
      I hate just the word "shotgun" smile You can shoot a bullet with a gun, so the name "shotgun" is inaccurate. Just an opinion to justify why I don't like this word smile
      1. Sanches
        Sanches 14 January 2013 15: 47
        +4
        shotgun - literal translation - "shotgun". The gun is a gun in Africa fellow
        1. Kir
          Kir 14 January 2013 20: 07
          +1
          I don’t know where you found such a translation, in mine (the one that I have), the combination is translated as a hunting rifle and written as shot-gun, as I guess the translation is based on the addition of two words Shot-shot, Gun- in one of the values-shotgun.
          1. Sanches
            Sanches 15 January 2013 00: 34
            +1
            Sanches Yesterday, 15: 47
            shotgun - literal translation - "shotgun"

            Kir Yesterday, 20: 07
            I don’t know where you found such a translation ... ... the translation is based on the addition of two words Shot-shot, Gun- in one of the values-shotgun.
            and the difference in what ??
            1. Kir
              Kir 15 January 2013 01: 50
              0
              I just didn’t exactly put it, it meant how you got such a translation of the phrase, but in the dictionary it’s just a hunting rifle and that’s all.
              1. Sanches
                Sanches 15 January 2013 02: 05
                +1
                Yes, it means differently - and a hunting rifle, and a sawed-off shotgun, and a shotgun, although in fact they are all the same. Why another form - "shotgun", has become entrenched in Russian, when it is more correct to say a gun - honestly, I don't know. Something like a riddle "dozhzha" (in general Ushakov liked to make such riddles)
                1. Kir
                  Kir 15 January 2013 02: 10
                  +2
                  Most likely, just a translation from a translation, or a translator with whose easy hand went off topic, blunders are all the time, as translators often translate and not technicians with knowledge of the language, and English with its poverty also helps.
    2. sniper
      sniper 14 January 2013 14: 55
      +3
      Quote: borisst64
      The gun can be either a hunting one, or a photo,

      And what in this case to be with anti-tank guns ???? Actually, with a smoothbore a lot of things are not clear, both in the names and in combat use ... For some recent time, I have not found information about promising ammunition that was tested in NATO ...
      In particular, shells have been developed which, after leaving the trunk, reveal a metal stabilizing plumage. Such, for example, ammunition FRAG-12, designed for automatic smooth-bore gun AA-12. They are available in three versions: FRAG-12 HE (high-explosive), FRAG-12 HE-FA (high-explosive fragmentation) and FRAG-12 HE-AP (high-explosive armor-piercing). This development is considered one of the most promising today and is designed specifically for army units.
      Bullets with a length of 19 mm have a folding plumage and are presented in the following versions: high-explosive, high-explosive fragmentation, cumulative. The effective firing range of such cartridges is 200 m.

      • Armor-piercing cumulative bullet, according to the developers, pierces the armor plate with a thickness of about 10 mm. The use of cartridges with FRAG-12 bullets can significantly expand the capabilities of smoothbore combat weapons. They are currently being tested in the US and UK armies.
      1. scrabler
        14 January 2013 19: 05
        +2
        The idea is interesting, I met with a glimpse of information about them, did not even focus on them. For some reason, it seemed that the ammunition was "stillborn". We will follow the broadcast, maybe they will organize something worthwhile smile Although I'm wondering how the barrel will react to these spring-loaded "wings", although it depends on what metal they will make, of which, of course, no one will tell us until this whole thing goes into production.
      2. Mikhado
        Mikhado 14 January 2013 19: 12
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        10mm armor penetration is either a typo or nonsense. Even the most imperfect cumulatives "took" no less than their caliber, but here approx. 20mm. If it is true, then it is not necessary to fence the garden, sub-caliber ones will be cheaper and more efficient.
        1. scrabler
          14 January 2013 19: 45
          +2
          It would be interesting to combine this with this:

          And about the armor-piercing, do not forget about the use of the Blondo bullets by the French (this is actually their development) to defeat car engines. A little not that sure, but nonetheless.
          1. sniper
            sniper 14 January 2013 20: 22
            +2
            It is difficult to say that it will come out of all this, but grenade ammunition with a caliber of 20-25 mm is rolled in by both Koreans and Italians, and Barrett sins this .... Sooner or later, the smoothbore will reappear ....
          2. LAO
            LAO 15 January 2013 21: 00
            0
            Respected! What is it and where to read about it?
            1. scrabler
              15 January 2013 22: 00
              0
              Here is a branch on the Hansa about these bullets http://forum.guns.ru/forum/1/626.html
              This is from Trofimov http://faq.guns.ru/blondo.html
              Bullets Rubeykina http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/11/74991.html
              Bullets of Yakan, Rubeykin, Brenneke, Sovesta http://bestoxotnik.ru/pylya-brenneke-sovestra-rubeykina/
              Well and so on) Smoothbore has a very big potential, you just need to reveal it smile
    3. Navigator Basov
      Navigator Basov 11 October 2018 21: 54
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      A shotgun is the only true term for such weapons. This is a gun.
      Quote: GOST 28653-90 Small arms. Terms and Definitions
      32. Rifle - rifled small arms, structurally designed to hold and control when shooting with two hands with the emphasis of the butt in the shoulder.
      33. Shotgun - a smoothbore or combined small arms, structurally designed to hold and control when shooting with two hands with the emphasis of the butt in the shoulder.

      For hunting, both rifles and rifles (usually carbines) are used, because there are hunting rifles and hunting rifles (carbines). Hunting pistols also exist (TP-82, Remington R1, Remington X-100), this is no reason not to call guns non-hunting pistols. Well, right, this is some kind of nonsense.
  2. bazilio
    bazilio 14 January 2013 11: 02
    +4
    Structurally, the idea looks original, but ... It seems to me that for a shotgun, especially an assault, it is preferable to have food with detachable box magazines. Maybe the box magazine loses 2 tubular in the number of cartridges that can be accommodated, but it definitely exceeds the reload speed. in the end, as it seems to me, the practical rate of fire with a shotgun with a crusted magazine will be higher than that of a two-tube magazine. A significant drawback of a box magazine can be the fact that it is not possible to quickly select the type of cartridge, as is possible in UTS 15. although the presence of several stores with different types of cartridges, taking into account the quick change of the magazine, is the solution to this problem
    1. Mikhado
      Mikhado 14 January 2013 13: 50
      +1
      The funny thing is that TUBULAR shops can be made removable, with the same scheme with two tubes.
      Only confuses me with an unjustified increase in the size of the gun down from the barrel? Why the heck was such a hippo to do?
      More questions on this trunk.
      I "love" the Turks, so I congratulate them from the bottom of my heart.
      1. bazilio
        bazilio 14 January 2013 14: 50
        +1
        Quote: Mikhado
        The funny thing is that TUBULAR shops can be made removable, with the same scheme with two tubes.


        can be done, but how practical. if in such a magazine fits 7 12/70 rounds of ammunition per tube, therefore 70 mm * 7 = 490 mm, that is 49 cm without taking into account the space under the spring and other junk. How convenient and most important is where and how to carry shops half a meter long with you? in this case, do not forget that the assault shotgun, that is, for the assault, therefore, the assault fighter must be as mobile as possible. Ergonomically this is the wrong approach. In addition, as I believe, an assault shotgun, especially with such ammunition, should be at least semi-automatic.
        1. scrabler
          14 January 2013 15: 19
          +3
          They refused a semiautomatic device for the sake of the possibility of switching between ammunition, as it seems to me.
          1. bazilio
            bazilio 14 January 2013 18: 10
            +2
            Perhaps you are right, but again the question arises, what is more important for an assault shotgun - rate of fire or the choice of ammunition. It seems to me that an assault weapon must first be watered with fire, that is, a kind of trench broom (= buildings and structures). here just self-loading or automatic systems look more promising. In my opinion, AA12 or the Russian Vepr is the most suitable weapon for assault (naturally from shotguns)))
          2. Mikhado
            Mikhado 14 January 2013 19: 20
            +1
            scrabler,
            I think that rather, for reasons of reliability and weight, the design is already bulky, selectivity is not a hindrance to automation.
            1. scrabler
              14 January 2013 19: 33
              +1
              Just the same tangible hindrance. If one type of ammunition is charged in one tube, and it is from it that power is supplied, then after a shot from the same tube a cartridge will be inserted into the chamber, that is, do not switch, and the ammunition will be used the same and only the next shot will be taken desired type.
              1. Mikhado
                Mikhado 14 January 2013 23: 40
                +1
                I parry. Is the principle of shooting with an open shutter familiar? Not only will a rolling shutter reduce recoil, it will allow you to choose ammunition BEFORE a shot. The minus in the form of reducing the accuracy of the shot for the shotgun is not so significant.
                In short, it is possible to hypothetically combine selectivity and automation.
                1. scrabler
                  15 January 2013 00: 00
                  +3
                  I didn’t think about such an option, it is really possible to implement smile But with pipe shops you have to pervert. Still, the extraction of ammunition from the tube will occur when the shutter moves backward, but, in principle, is completely solvable.
                  1. Mikhado
                    Mikhado 15 January 2013 00: 26
                    +1
                    I understand you - indeed, it will not be easy with the presentation. There is still a little thought that came to mind about manual reloading. Here’s a fight, yes, we’re fooling around with buckshot, we pull the pump - reflexes, shot, charged. Suddenly you need a bullet - and in the trunk a buckshot !! How to be We switch the selector, sacrifice the shotgun to the ground, the bullet into the barrel - bingo !! So here the manual only has simplicity and weight.
                    Well, you can apply for copyright wink
                    1. scrabler
                      15 January 2013 00: 58
                      +2
                      And I would probably implement an apparatus in which it is necessary to have two types of ammunition at hand, as follows. Semi-automatic with food from a box store. And besides this, the tube-magazine from which the cartridges are fed manually, that is, when the forend of the same moves. We get the following, we go and extinguish the adversary with the main ammunition without thinking about reloading, it took some kind of cartridge with a sly bullet, moving the forearm and already in line is what we need. No movement, then the weapon is powered from a box store. That is, when manually reloading the shutter in the rear position, it was and remains, but just a new ammunition is removed from the tube store. All this with an open shutter and we have the THING) And most importantly we do not scatter ammo. And yet it’s all possible to organize Henry’s bracket)
                      Not either give a medal or graze laughing
                      1. scrabler
                        15 January 2013 01: 11
                        +1
                        The store there is still two-row with the rebuilding in the 1 row ... with the ammunition capacity of 15 ... + 7 in the handset ... let them wipe their 14 cartridges)
                      2. Mikhado
                        Mikhado 15 January 2013 01: 31
                        +1
                        Oga, and to entoy device Sokolov’s machine from Maxim laughing Get a thicker hippo from the article !!
                        No, well, seriously - the idea is complete. Generally. for a smooth-bore combat barrel at a modern level, it is already possible to use shellless ammunition such as VOGA, and the capacity of stores will increase by 2 times. The pressure is small, there will be a shutter in the shutter instead of a sleeve.
                        I feel right now people will be interested in where we, living even in different countries, take such grass wink
                      3. scrabler
                        15 January 2013 01: 47
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                        Not if with a machine, so it is already necessary to organize automatic fire with tape power))) By the way, that's about automatic fire, with the shutter open. Logically, it is more feasible to make a return more comfortable. Plus a butt pad on the butt and there will be a song. This is not even a trench broom, but a trench vacuum cleaner will be ... washing, I’ll clean everything smile And not such a thick store will turn out to be a centimeter 4 wide, quite acceptable for such an apparatus smile Here the weight is yes, here you can take care.
                      4. Mikhado
                        Mikhado 15 January 2013 02: 12
                        +1
                        About the machine - a joke, of course.
                        About recoil, the simplest thing is a long barrel stroke, an open shutter and a back plate, yes.
                        Limit the queue to a series of 3, to reduce the toss, the compensator on the trunk, but not one window up, but two right-left upwards - so that it does not blind at night with the exhaust.
                        About shops - if it’s box-shaped with a sleeveless design, as I wrote above, then with a hypothetical ammunition length of 50 mm, the tandem design is one after the other, you can also implement selectivity, for example, in the front canister, in the rear bullet, and shift the tudes-syuds.
                        All this magnificence under bullpup, of course.
                      5. scrabler
                        15 January 2013 02: 22
                        +1
                        I already want to hold such a beast in my hands smile And they say a firearm has come to a standstill. Yeah, now! Only not in RuNet laughing
                      6. Mikhado
                        Mikhado 15 January 2013 02: 33
                        +1
                        Cho we should build a shotgun - draw and shmalny good
                  2. bazilio
                    bazilio 15 January 2013 09: 21
                    0
                    Dear Mikhado and scrabler.
                    An open-bolt shotgun is interesting, but it seems to me that the design will turn out to be complicated. The main problem in such a scheme is to remove the cartridge from the magazine and bring it to the delivery line.
                    1. scrabler
                      15 January 2013 12: 01
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                      Yes, this is a serious nuance. You can try something like what Shevchenko suggested. Something like that:

                      The only question is how to adapt it all to 12 / 70, plus to make it possible to take ammunition from both the handset and the store. In general, we gave the idea, let the gunsmiths implement it now))) smile
        2. Mikhado
          Mikhado 14 January 2013 19: 18
          +1
          Quote: bazilio
          How convenient and most important is where and how to carry shops half a meter long with you?

          For example, behind the back. Again, removable ones can be shorter - there are many options. It is inconvenient to carry removable ones - load them on the "trunk" who is in the way.
          But the presence of an alternative is better than its absence, modularity is a real plus.
          1. bazilio
            bazilio 14 January 2013 19: 51
            +2
            Quote: Mikhado
            It is inconvenient to carry removable ones - load them on the "trunk" who is in the way.

            that's what's stopping
            "Now, instead of lifting the tubes above the barrel and sequentially inserting cartridges, one had to do the same thing one by one, but through the window on each of the side surfaces of the weapon, the insertion process was not facilitated by anything, and before charging it was necessary to take the feed spring forward and fix it in a compressed position, while also holding the charging window open."

            Now compare the above manipulation with the usual change of the horn. which is faster and more convenient?
            1. Mikhado
              Mikhado 14 January 2013 23: 36
              +1
              I was referring, in principle, to a more successful construction with tubular selective magazines that MAY be removable.
              The subject device is generally a mockery, it's not about him.
      2. Sanches
        Sanches 14 January 2013 15: 52
        +1
        they had to do the barrel lower, such a high-rise building is difficult to control
        1. tun1313
          tun1313 14 January 2013 16: 04
          +1
          Quote: Sanches
          they had to do the barrel lower, such a high-rise building is difficult to control

          Well, probably for working distances and buckshot it does not matter. Especially for 12/70.
  3. Kir
    Kir 14 January 2013 20: 27
    +2
    Unfortunately, I don’t remember Izh’s model, since the infe is at least 15 years old, but they made a selection there, some are placed under the barrel, others are in a rented store, and this looks just from a science fiction movie.
    1. sniper
      sniper 14 January 2013 22: 15
      +1
      It's a shame, as this machine passed by me, although it seems like I always tried to follow the news .... So IL, I’ll try to try Khukhlya, maybe it’ll bring in a beak ....
      1. Kir
        Kir 14 January 2013 22: 27
        +2
        If I’m not mistaken, the model number started off somehow with 5 not TOS 4, but in general it seems like they printed in the appendix to the technique of youth, but I’ve been saying for a long time!
      2. Kir
        Kir 15 January 2013 02: 05
        +3
        If you suffer for a long time, let something happen, please kindly, albeit a small image, but which without much difficulty found. Here he is the handsome Izh-131K (I didn’t miss 1997 even with a year!) By the way, it’s good in terms of ammunition capacity!
        1. scrabler
          15 January 2013 02: 08
          +1
          Something similar we come up with above here) It turns out that not only we with Mikhado have good grass laughing
          1. Kir
            Kir 15 January 2013 02: 17
            +1
            So he and his fathers were with a detachable magazine, but I only found it by selection, IZH-81 / 81Km cartridges including magnum, to the maximum underbarrel + box 12! By the way, I didn’t overlook yet another selector Mr-133K, by the way, there are also more detachable shops.
            1. scrabler
              15 January 2013 02: 18
              +1
              Of course it looks wildly such a beast, but opportunities smile
              1. Kir
                Kir 15 January 2013 02: 22
                +2
                There is also a pistol grip, there is also a folding stock, as they say, choose the taste !!! And in appearance for me it is so more sympathetic than a "fantasy" Turkish-American!
                1. scrabler
                  15 January 2013 02: 28
                  +2
                  No, these newfangled toys are already boring. Earlier it was still possible to impress our brother by looking "like in a movie". Now people are already looking at it to be convenient, reliable and effective, and beauty, so who needs it. Although, what is interesting is that what is convenient, reliable, effective has its own beauty, which can not be replaced by any plastic "body kit" smile Tomorrow another copy will be "from Star Wars", already fresher, 2012.
                  1. Kir
                    Kir 15 January 2013 02: 33
                    +2
                    By the way, some, if I remember correctly, the biologist said that beauty is primarily expediency, and with regards to the fantastic and cinematic appearance, it’s true that it was written in conjunction with edged weapons that these toys are often traumatic for their owners, not to mention impracticality of most of them.
        2. sniper
          sniper 15 January 2013 15: 09
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          Thank ! A very interesting monster .... Well, now it remains to remember that the first silencers appeared specifically for the smoothbore, limit the ammunition only to the one loaded in the container, drill radial holes in the front of the barrel, and put an integrated silencer on the barrel ... But what? The subsonic charge means the sound can be extinguished and must .....
          1. Kir
            Kir 15 January 2013 15: 49
            0
            By the way, it seems like for some models devices are provided in the form of extenders and silencers. By the way, the search was carried out in Yandex on the following issues
            Pump guns Izh
            Selectively Powered Pump Shotguns
  4. DuraLexSedLex.
    DuraLexSedLex. 15 January 2013 23: 18
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    QUESTION TO THE AUTHOR!
    Is this definitely not a ketai?))))))))) Check the misspelled word with the dictionary: not tactiKal, but tactiCal. Nope it looks like nokla or abbibas))))))
    1. scrabler
      16 January 2013 01: 43
      0
      No, Turkey smile My jamb corrected, thank you hi
  5. georg737577
    georg737577 16 January 2013 18: 06
    -1
    The problem of "multiply charged smoothbore" is solved by using the so-called. "drum-type tubular magazine", that is, several tubular magazines are made in the form of a removable drum installed under the barrel. Typically, such a magazine holds (depending on the length and number of tubes in the drum - different firms have different) from 18 to 54 cartridges of 12 gauge.
    1. savarineko
      savarineko 17 January 2013 01: 27
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      such a design clearly loses weight to box stores, and the design complexity is clearly higher