Porte-Avions 2 (PA2) New French Navy aircraft carrier

France plans to build a new aircraft carrier Porte-Avions 2 (PA2) in addition to the existing Charles de Gaulle. It was supposed to put it into service by 2015-th year, at the time of decommissioning of the aircraft carrier "Charles de Gaulle" from service for its scheduled repair of a deep modernization.

PA2 will be able to reach maximum speed in 28 nodes, and the cruising range will be 10000 miles at speed in 15 nodes. Its crew will be 1720 people, including 620 flight crews and 100 operational crews.

In January 2005, the French MO, through the Defense Procurement Agency (DGA), entered into a € 100 million contract for the development of PA2 with DCNS and Thales Naval France. It was originally planned to develop PA2 based on the design of future Royal Carriers (CVF) Royal fleet Great Britain. The corresponding memorandum of understanding on the Anglo-French future aircraft carrier was signed on March 6, 2006. However, in June 2008, French President Nicolas Sarkozy suspended cooperation with the United Kingdom on this project. The final decision on the construction of an aircraft carrier for the French Navy was to be taken between the 2011th and 2012th years. In February 2009, the French government ordered research into the new architecture and design of the aircraft carrier.

PA2 will be able to carry up to 40 aircraft, including 32 Rafale combat aircraft, three Hawkeye E-2C reconnaissance aircraft and five NH90 helicopters. Ninety-meter C13-2 steam catapults will be able to accelerate the aircraft to a speed of 150 knots. Catapults will be provided with auxiliary steam generating units. An aircraft carrier will be able to launch a plane every 30 seconds. For landing aircraft, the ship will be equipped with MK7 mod 4 aerofinisher. The area of ​​the flight deck will be 15700 m², hangars 4700 m². Capacity tanks с aviation fuel will be five million liters. It is planned to install active and passive pitching dampers, which will contribute to increasing the operational capabilities of the ship under sea conditions up to 5/6 points.

The initial project meant equipping the aircraft carrier with a conventional power plant, but the option with a nuclear power plant is also being considered. The refusal of a nuclear power plant is explained by its high cost and the presence of a natural limiter of autonomy caused by the need to replenish aviation fuel for aircraft. A conventional power plant was supposed to include an electric propulsion system based on two Rolls-Royce MT30 gas turbines and two electric rotary actuators. In September, the French Navy 2006 decided to change the propulsion system specification in order to increase the speed of PA2 from originally planned 26 nodes to 29 nodes. Aker Yards, DCN Propulsion and Alstom, together with General Electric, developed a new propulsion system based on four LM2500 + G4 gas turbines, a central propeller shaft and two electric rotary drives.

As an additional weapon, the aircraft carrier will be equipped with eight installations of vertical launch of Sylver Aster missiles, an anti-torpedo system SLAT and 20 and millimeter automatic guns. The contract for the integration of ASTER 15-SAAM was awarded to EADS and its subsidiary MBDA. PA2 will also be equipped with an integrated Combat Management System (CMS).

The aircraft carrier will be equipped with infrared and opto-electronic sensors, Héracles radar and medium-range radar.

The ship will be equipped with internal and external communications systems. Internal communication includes HF, UHF and VHF radio. External communication includes the tactical data transmission line L11, L16 and L22. These links will provide real-time, high-speed data exchange between PA2 systems, Hawkeye aircraft, as well as other combat aircraft and helicopters.

Despite the fact that the French military budget for 2008-th year was laid about three billion euros, the construction of the aircraft carrier has not yet been started.

Length: 283 m
Maximum width: 70 m
Waterline width: 39 m
Precipitation 11.5 m
Ship Crew: 1000
Flight crew: 620
Operational staff: 100

Comments

[Sakhalininsk]

I hope such news will finally push the leaders of our state towards a real revival of the Russian aircraft carrier fleet. It is high time for us to build real aircraft carriers capable of solving problematic issues anywhere in the world’s oceans.

[Vito]

SakhalininskHello FRIENDS!
I can add nothing more to your prophetic words.
Definitely a lot of pluses to you !!!
++++++++++++++++++++

[vyatom]

Quote: Sakhalininets

I hope such news will finally push the leaders of our state towards a real revival of the Russian aircraft carrier fleet. It is high time for us to build real aircraft carriers capable of solving problematic issues anywhere in the world’s oceans.

Unfortunately, it is necessary to calculate the economic side of the content of these colossus. It is awesome to have one each with a nuclear power plant on the SF and TOFE.

[Papakiko]

I do not agree with you.
Minimum 4 !!!

Almost a topic, but a joy!

URGENT-URGENT-URGENT
Look in "google maps"
Everett. PC. Washington. water area "Puget Sound" (Pusseshen Sound)
On a scale of 20 meters.
There is a half-submerged number 72 "Abraham Lincoln" at the Quay
No. 72 in August Very quickly "poured" from the Mediterranean after visiting Turkish Antalya. I crossed the Atlantic in a week. It turns out that the photo on Google is very relevant !!
lower species No. 72 from the Turkish coast.
http://nosikot.livejournal.com/693996.html
There's a December shot, Norfolk.
http://nosikot.livejournal.com/904164.html

[klimpopov]

It? 47.981901, -122.228359?
+ 47 ° 58 '54.84 ", -122 ° 13' 42.09 - for the gifted.

[Lee]

Unsuccessfully pasted pictures. With such a roll from the deck, everything would fall into the water, and in the picture the plane is calmly and other equipment. The gangway shows that there is no roll.

[klimpopov]

So I'm about the same! On these cards, sometimes on the floor of the car happens)))

[BruderV]

Are you ready to raise taxes? And because you love to swear - love to carry and sled. Of course, I understand that the average person wants everything and more, but. The Americans, one aircraft carrier somewhere in the $ 10 billion comes out, it’s without an air wing, maintenance over 10 years goes out about the same, provided that it all sailed and flew, and not decayed at the docks. From the presence of one aircraft carrier, nothing in the strategic plan changes at all; they need at least 6-8 pieces (of course, with cover ships), otherwise they are just big targets for enemy forces superior in numbers. The use of aircraft carriers is generally nonsense for the kindred conflicts like Georgia. He can’t turn around in the Black Sea, and the entire water area is already blocked by airfield aviation. Aircraft carriers are needed only if there are foreign military bases in the ocean, which we no longer have and will never have. So no one has yet forbidden to turn on the brain.

[in reserve]

The professor from where downloaded, give the link.

[patsantre]

Quote: BruderV

From the presence of one aircraft carrier, nothing in the strategic plan changes at all; they need at least 6-8 pieces (of course, with cover ships), otherwise they are just big targets for enemy forces superior in numbers.

Even one AUG is already a very serious force, more efficient and effective than the group in which instead of the aircraft carrier there will be a couple of cruisers.

[BruderV]

Then I will ask again where to apply it and against whom? Against the Americans in the Pacific, it’s pointless, simply because they have 11 strike groups and they stupidly crush them. We will build 11, they will rivet a couple of dozen more and Russia will not withstand this arms race. I’m not saying that for more than 70 years the Americans have honed the use of aircraft carriers and their experience in this matter is like no other. For the defense of the coastal zone, aerodrome aviation is sufficient with the range of the aircraft themselves. Aerodrome aviation always surpasses the characteristics of aircraft in the AUG. And there will be nowhere to sail for our single aircraft carriers. Well, at least one possible option for their application, outline in a nutshell. Just do not write nonsense in the spirit of Chinese propaganda about coastal defense aircraft carriers. They wrote about Syria, but that they do not have their own airplanes and airfields? Mi-24 was taken there somehow.

[in reserve]

So whose is this aircraft carrier? British or French or still joint?Found an article about a British aircraft carrier title:

Modern aircraft carriers Queen Elizabeth

But he already walks as sailors say.

So whose is he? Here is a link to the article http://tech-life.org/arms/163-aircraft-carriers-queen-elizabeth-class

[Akim]

In general, this is originally a British project. The French then smeared. Their aircraft carrier was supposed to be larger and at the beginning they wanted to make it atomic. That Prof. gave a reference. Pretty detailed. Only in English.

[in reserve]

Well, actually, the British are already planning to accept the first in 2014.
This is Queen Elizabeth



modified design of the aircraft carrier “HMS Prince of Wales”

The French refused to now build separately.

[in reserve]

See how the British built it, using the modular technology that we bought from the French and Mistrals.

[Professor]

See how the British built it, using the modular technology that we bought from the French and Mistrals.

And what's new in this technology? How do you think the Soviet aircraft carriers were built, and why did they especially buy two Finnish gantry cranes with 900 lifting capacity each on a zero slipway?

[YARY]

I hope such news will finally push the leaders of our state towards a real revival of the Russian aircraft carrier fleet.

It is doubtful with these!

[TermNachTer]

This news does not mean anything. Already 2020, and even the keel was not laid. We'll have to wait another 10 years, or even 20. So we can not rush.

[Hammer]

I agree, but somehow it doesn’t work out very well. There are more problems than opportunities.
As you can see from open sources, the problems begin from determining the appearance of the future aircraft carrier and, as a result, issuing TTZ for its design and to problems with the production capacities on which it will be built.
But as they say - the road will be overpowered by the walking one. God willing - we will have aircraft carriers and cover ships, and all in the right quantity. I really hope so ....

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

The French need it. Their "Charles de Gaulle" turned out to be a very unsuccessful aircraft carrier and is repaired more than goes around.

[Professor]

Unsuccessful? Argument pliz (I have completely different information).

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Excuse me, but what needs to be argued there? Look how much time "de Gaulle" spent in the fleet and how much - in all kinds of repairs / additions.
All this has already been discussed more than once, to be honest - it's just lazy to climb English sources (especially considering that I am not at all very good with English), so maybe we can do with a wiki?

28 September 2000 Propulsion ship was officially handed over to the French Navy
In October 2000, the ship made a long voyage to the US coast, to the Norfolk base (Virginia) during which, on November 9 2000 in the Caribbean, the end of the left screw blade broke off due to strong vibration. The ship at low speed was forced to return to Toulon. The investigation showed that both workers and spare screws have structural defects in the form of cavities at the base of the blades. The blame was placed on the manufacturer, Atlantic Industries, which had ceased to exist by then. The situation was aggravated by the fact that all documentation relating to the development and production of screws died in a fire. As a temporary solution, in April 2001, the ship was supplied with spare screws from the Fos and Clemenceau aircraft carriers that had been decommissioned by then. This limited the speed of the 24 nodes compared to the design 27 nodes. On March 5 2001, at sea trials, the ship developed a speed of 25,2 knots.
In July-October, “Charles de Gaulle” again went to the dock due to strong noises in the area of ​​the right propeller, which reached 100 dB and made the entire aft part of the ship practically unsuitable for the life and work of the crew.
At the beginning of 2001, it turned out that the engines of Rafale airplanes, intended for stationing on an aircraft carrier, require technical prophylaxis every 150 hours of flight, whereas in field conditions such prophylaxis could not be carried out more often than in 500 hours. As a result, the entire batch of Rafale aircraft was rejected.
Since May 18, 2001 he has been in active service. May 21 - June 1, 2001, he took part in the major naval exercise "Golden Trident" (Trident d'or) in the Mediterranean Sea. From July to October 12, 2001, the dock was being repaired.

Those. in the first 2 years of operation, the ship went out to sea twice and participated in something resembling intensive study - both times after this, repairs were made at the dock. Isn't it cool?
But all this did not fix the problems with the aircraft carrier. Even in 2003 g, it was still not considered a full-fledged ship of the fleet http://www.military-today.com/navy/charles_de_gaulle_class.htm - there was still a permanent refinement of some mechanisms, then others. Plus junk reactor - during the operation there were problems with a nuclear reactor, as a result of which part of the team received fivefold permissible radiation doses.
In general, in 2007 g (after just 7 years after it was handed over!), The aircraft carrier again gets up on the 15 monthly global upgrade http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/cdg.htm
With all this, so much money has been thrown out for all these repairs and modernizations that de Gaulle is already approaching American supercarriers in cost.

[Professor]

Look how much time "de Gaulle" spent in the fleet and how much - in all kinds of repairs / additions.

Not a bad indicator, really considering that this is their first aircraft carrier with nuclear SU. The Americans ate this first pancake a long time ago and debugged the system as a clockwork. Nevertheless, the most important indicator of the IMHO ship is its ability to cope with the task at the right time. The aircraft carrier of the French Navy off the coast of Libya coped with this task flawlessly. Now Mali is bombing, too, I think from him.

Foreign Press: The aircraft carrier de Gaulle successfully completed his mission
The French nuclear aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle proved to be very effective during the lengthy combat air operations in Libya this year. From March to August of this year, France was one of the main participants in the operation, having made about 25 percent of air sorties and deployed many warships off the coast of Libya. French aircraft made about 4,500 departures, having spent a total of about 20,000 hours in the air. About 30 percent of total French sorties were flown from the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, and more than half of the air strikes were also flown from its side. The majority (62 percent) of the total number of sorties were made to perform combat missions (usually bombing). On average, during air operations from the board of "de Gaulle", 11.25 sorties were flown daily. In general, "de Gaulle" spent 120 days, providing flights over Libya, of which 63 of the day of combat operations. Aircraft operating from "de Gaulle", spent 3600 hours in the air and carried out 2380 takeoffs and landings on the deck of an aircraft carrier.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Professor

Not a bad indicator

Let me disagree with you.

Quote: Professor

given that this is their first aircraft carrier with nuclear SU. The Americans ate this first pancake a long time ago and debugged the system as a clockwork.

As far as I remember, there was nothing similar to their Enterprise.

Quote: Professor

Nevertheless, the most important indicator of the IMHO ship is its ability to cope with the task at the right time

That "Gaul" coped with its tasks in Libya - with this I agree. But the question is - what tasks did "Charles de Gaulle" NOT cope with while it was in repairs and upgrades? :)
And in Libya - well, it doesn’t seem like something serious! Gaul dangled there for about 6 months, during this time - a little more than 1500 flights or 8-10 flights per day ... And after that - again running for preventive repairs :)))

[Professor]

But the question is - what tasks did "Charles de Gaulle" NOT cope with while it was in repairs and upgrades? :)

And what was the war somewhere?

oll hung around there for 6 months, during this time - a little more than 1500 flights or 8-10 flights per day ... And after that - again running for preventive repairs :)))

Aircraft operating from de Gaulle spent 3600 hours in the air and made 2380 take-offs and landings on the deck of an aircraft carrier.
Few? Of course not Nimitz, but still.

The main thing was at the right time at the right place - It was for this that it was created. And then how much it is being repaired is a completely different story.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Professor

And what was the war somewhere? wink

But what, an aircraft carrier is needed only for war? :)))

Quote: Professor

The main thing is that he was at the right time in the right place - that’s why he was created. And then how much it is being repaired is a completely different story.

You have every right to your point of view ... to keep silence, to a lawyer, and everything you say will be used against you ... OH!

[Papakiko]

Undisputed +
The warriors practiced and lost the blabs!

[Papakiko]

And do you have data on our mega-TAKRs of the "KIEV" project, how much time did they spend at the docks?
"Kuzya" does this quite 2 times a year, he sees the sea.
Taking into account the "peaceful" colonial policy, this apparatus is working off the funds invested in it.
And about "junk reactor" - this is golimous PR.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

In general, in 2007 (only 7 years after the delivery!), The aircraft carrier again rises now for a 15-month global modernization

This means that these little people are not STUPID and try to keep up with the times. Therefore, they are "in a hurry" with the construction of 2o aircraft carrier.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Papakiko

And do you have data on our mega-TAKRs of the "KIEV" project, how much time did they spend at the docks?

Please explain to the old sick man, what relation do our TAVKRs have to the French De Gaulle under discussion? What if it suddenly turns out that not everything is in order with our TAVKRs - will this make the French aircraft carrier better off?
The first-born of heavy TAVKostroeniya - Kiev - went into operation in the 1975 year. I got my first repair in 1982, i.e. after almost 7 years. AND?

Quote: Papakiko

"Kuzya" does this quite 2 times a year, he sees the sea.

If for de Gaulle’s operation, it would be issued as much as on Kuzyu in 90 — in Toulon, there would be a second Chernobyl

Quote: Papakiko

And about "junk reactor" - this is golimous PR.

Whose interesting to know? :))) French? :))))))))))

Quote: Papakiko

This means that these people are not stupid and try to keep up with the times.

In this particular case, this means that, even 7 years after the delivery of the fleet, the ship had unresolved problems.

[Papakiko]

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

If for de Gaulle’s operation, it would be issued as much as on Kuzyu in 90 — in Toulon, there would be a second Chernobyl

Why should the "Westerners" cut their military spending?
It was you and me who were presented to the "Western democracies" on a platter, and not vice versa.
There are nuclear submarines in France and in the world the French share 3-4 places in the nuclear power plants being built.

Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk

In this particular case, this means that, even 7 years after the delivery of the fleet, the ship had unresolved problems.

From your words, "frogs" are made with a finger, and they are eating bast soup (onion stew with croissants)!
And this is not even close at all.
Their Rafale is more than a serious car, as well as the Mirage.
And note that we buy high-speed trains from them, and not from us.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Papakiko

Why should the "Westerners" cut their military spending?

With nothing. But don’t have to compare soft with white, okay? Any weapon system requires some care, if there is care, it should not break. If there is no care, it will break. do not compare Kuzyu, for whom there was no care (and he was breaking) with Charles de Gaulle, for whom there was care, but he was also breaking

Quote: Papakiko

From your words, "frogs" are made with a finger, and they are eating bast soup (onion stew with croissants)!
And this is not even close at all.

Wean your mind by stereotyping. If the French did not work out an atomic aircraft carrier, this does not mean that the French slurp cabbage soup. This means only that they did not work out an atomic aircraft carrier :))))
in fact, the French wanted to squeeze too much into too small a size - a small displacement, an atom, and even the functions of a landing craft. We tried to save money. And it didn't work, of course, as one clever Englishman said - "if you put 8 on a ship capable of carrying 10 guns, then only six will shoot."

Quote: Papakiko

Their Rafale is more than a serious car, as well as the Mirage.

Serious. Darling is only strong.

[Papakiko]

I think that "charles" was written down in the "latrine ponds".
They also stuffed a lot into the "Kuzya" (except for the function of the landing craft) and not fish and not meat, the result.
I hope everyone knows, they remember why they built TAKRs and not Carriers at once.
Let me remind you: Turkey straits + international agreements on the deedved and types of ships.
What does not exploit does not break.
Look at No. 72 at the pier, autumn-winter half-sunk, which is also not proper maintenance.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Papakiko

And do you have data on our mega-TAKRs of the "KIEV" project, how much time did they spend at the docks?

There would be no betrayal of the party nomenclature of the USSR of its people then
ships of the series TAVKR "Kiev" may have been modernized at the moment and they were based on the finished Yak-141 and it would have been a serious enemy.

[Papakiko]

In this form, they also made a rustle, believe me.
At 51 plants (I can be mistaken) in Murmansk constantly grazes Kiev.

[Akim]

Do you really seem to be an Israeli in Switzerland?
Here are the materials in French:
http://www.senat.fr/rap/r99-358/r99-3584.html
Professor,

[Professor]

I read, but I liked it here in more detail on three pages:

French Second Aircraft Carrier (CVF FR) Deuxième porte-avions français (PA2)

[Akim]

Professor,
While I ran my eyes. But I threw more fresh news about "Charles" that he often stands at the docks. And so far nothing new has been heard on the French forums about PA2

[Professor]

So it is, it is not being built yet, Depardieu has fled and now there is not enough money.
http://www.air-defense.net/forum/index.php?topic=5768.0

[Akim]

Quote: Professor

http://www.air-defense.net/forum/index.php?topic=5768.0

By the way, I learned from this forum that the French are building a 5th generation fighter.

[postman]

Quote: Professor

I read, but I liked it here in more detail on three pages:

The fifth (top) photo is not PA2:
1.Ramp
2.F-35
This is one of the options (Delta) CVF from Thales: October 2004 Euronaval

And here is one of the "Alpha"

[Volozhanin]

Tell Andrei, do you have detailed information about de Gaulle’s actions in operations against Libya? Share, people like your articles.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Unfortunately, it’s only an English-language source, I passed them through Prompt and ... well, in general, I don’t dare to spread it, even if I suddenly remembered where this link is

[Alx1miK]

Beautiful car damn it!

[755962]

And in fact they will build ... whatever one may say .... don’t go to the grandmother.

[Optimist]

I completely agree! It is respectable, the possibility of (Franz.) Defense industry rapid implementation of projects, for example, the same FREMM, Mistral, among other things, like the British with Tape 45. We would .....

[Optimist]

An interesting moment, in the case of the construction of the second aircraft carrier, who will be on guard?) Horizonta only two, the continuation of the construction of the series did not seem to be planned. Developing a new em. also vryatli! FREMM ER ???

[Vito]

Good day to all my FRIENDS!
The British are already building two aircraft carriers, and as they say, a fact!
But when the French uncover it is not yet known!
One thing is for sure, if they start, they’ll build it quickly. And I will say without melting, I personally will envy them!

[vyatom]

Envy is a sin

[patsantre]

This is white envy. But when a bunch of unfortunate patriots start telling with silly laughs how he could fall apart on nuts or how our Onyx would kiss him - this is already black envy, which is bad and disgusting.

[Hey]

And what a shame, our money for the Mistral will work in the construction of this ship.

[Lone gunman]

English-Frenchmen can be envied in terms of armament ... but our economy is not working well, and the Central Bank of the Russian Federation is not quite ours, it obeys "all international organizations" ... but if the ruble was a Russian currency, I think things would go with us uphill ... give time Putin has a plan ... who "knowing" will understand me.

[Leisure]

I would like the French to regain their colonies, rob them, teach life. The natives are already waiting for the beads to be brought to them, on the new aircraft carrier.
Apparently, many see a way out of the crisis in war and robberies.

[Mairos]

And crises have always been resolved through war ..

[Lee]

The fifth picture is clearly off topic.

[Professor]

In the subject, the French aircraft carrier was designed together with the British and has a lot in common with it.

[123dv]

The boys just hope to make money, such all in jackets with porcelain .....

[Lee]

Maybe something is common. But the British project, is not it, under VTOL?
Also:

Initially, it was planned to develop PA2 based on the design of future aircraft carriers (CVF) of the Royal Navy of Great Britain. The corresponding memorandum of understanding on the Anglo-French future aircraft carrier was signed on March 6, 2006. However, in June 2008, French President Nicolas Sarkozy suspended cooperation with the United Kingdom on this project.

Neither kind of general only "design".

[Professor]

But the British project, is not it, under VTOL?

Short takeoff and springboard.
Here is the collaboration between France and the UK:
Co-operation with the UK

At 75-80%, both ships will be identical.

[Dawd]

Good target for our RCC

[marmon]

Aircraft carrier may be a good one. Only when compared with the aircraft carrier Gerald Ford, the French are far behind.

[orkibotu]

IT IS NECESSARY TO BUILD MORE APL "ASH" pr 855! these sea fish will destroy any potential enemy's AUG

[Professor]

This is in the case of the Third World War, and for today, aircraft carriers are not interchangeable.

[orkibotu]

I'm afraid she is not over the mountains

[M. Peter]

Quote: orkibotu

NEED TO BUILD FOR MORE

Do we have to use a nuclear warhead to hammer in some overbearing "Bangladesh"? Or to catch up with the fishermen at the pier by crossing?
AAL is a deterrent, an aircraft carrier is a factor forcing your point of view.

[Belo_ticketnik]

Quote: M.Pyotr

AAL is a deterrent, an aircraft carrier is a factor forcing your point of view.

More likely, Apple pr.885 (aka Ash) restraint factor

[Akim]

I have read French materials. After the balabol Sarkozy, when the project was suspended in 2009, there will be a report this spring. But even now they say that they want to "compress" it to the "Queen Elizabeth" project by 5 thousand tons less. At first, we wanted to unify a lot with “Charles”, but it doesn't work.

[123dv]

The boys just hope to make money, such all in jackets with porcelain .....

[Kars]

anti-torpedo system SLAT

Who knows the details?

[Akim]

How much I understood from the French SLAT (Systeme de Lutte Anti-Torpille) has a second name "Curtain". Thrown about a dozen traps that take the acoustic topeda away from the target. and the shockwave destroys it upon approach.

[nagi]

Professor,
Indispensable in what? They do not bring real actions in the interests of the country.
In Libya, the French and traitors just spent a bunch of dough and that’s all.
The profits received from the contracts, if any, will go into the pocket of specific bigwigs, but missiles for planes bought for millions of people's money have escaped from taxes. That is, there would be no AUG in France, there would be a country in anticipation of the collapse of the Eurozone more secure.

[Professor]

Well, you give ... the United States is not realistic, but is using its own make-believe carriers? Or does Russia suddenly want to help Syria, then planes will take off from the North Caucasus, and then saw unnoticed over the territory of Turkey to get to Syria to bomb?

[nagi]

To protect its borders AUG is not required. For a war on far borders, one must consider with whom to fight. The example you cited from the United States is not correct, because in the first place, amers simply print money and their profitability does not worry much, and secondly, they are on a separate continent.
In the example you cite, Russia should bomb with the AUG, what exactly? If the NATO Navy, isn’t it easier to bomb their cities right away? An attack on the NATO fleet will put us in a state of war with all the participants in this bloc, with most of which we are on the same mainland, and we do not need the AUG to bomb them.

[Kars]

The project is cut out in excellent .. Colonial Slider ..
In this regard, there are no shortcomings. In the USA, the type is AV .. World Gendarme / Cop ..

And the size and tonnage depends on the size of government debt

[Akim]

Here Prof. good stuff fitted. Today the paddling pool costs 4,5 billion. Basques, which is only one and a half billion cheaper than twice his "George Bush".

[Anthrax]

And since 2011, there has not been a single aircraft carrier in the great maritime power of Great Britain. For the first time in 96 years!
Of the 2 British aircraft carriers under construction (if they are finally completed), one will be sold immediately or welded to the pier for conservation.

[Professor]

They have a lot of experience fighting not standard

[BruderV]

Smiled. And what really was the matter? Isn't this the Falklands by the hour? But it’s not clear why the flag is French. And here the Perdyukovs did not guess how to build the Mistral. What is not an option? Another S-400 on deck to deploy as defensive weapons and a mini-aircraft carrier is ready.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Of course, the Falklands. And you don’t need to repeat this - this is the Atlantic conveyor, it drowned :))))

[Kavtorang]

Drowned - not drowned. Well, in any civil ship "Exocet" plant. Only supertankers allowed themselves such liberties in the "tanker" war. And so - the "Arapakho" concept (container-based carrier-based aircraft) has been tested and used in combat. What prevents her from reviving? Low carrier survivability is not an argument. You can send more carriers, or you can cover them with escort ships. But without carrier-based aircraft (although I do not like "Harrier-2"), it will not work to cover the expeditionary group of the fleet.

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

Quote: Kavtorang

Drowned - not drowned

It’s strange that it doesn’t matter to you

Quote: Kavtorang

And so - the "Arapakho" concept (container-based carrier-based aircraft) has been tested and used in combat

Not justifying himself at all. The British at the Falklands barely won, mainly due to the peculiarities of the theater - the Argentine planes operated at the limit of radius. E, etc. In addition, Argentina had as many 6 Exosets, and so she had to fight NURS and free-falling bombs. But most importantly - the Argentine pilots for the most part were not equal to the British. When professionals took up the matter, the British brutally raked.

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What prevents her from reanimating?

Suppose that out of nowhere, Santa Claus appeared and with a magic wand - wow! And the Yak-141 stands in front of us in a new reincarnation - with updated engines, avionics and so on and so forth.
So, such an airplane will cost at the level of Mig-29K - Mig-35 - i.e. millionaires so xnumx. Dollars naturally. A dozen such aircraft - 45 million dollars. And to put them on such a trough that can go down to the bottom because someone is loud, sorry, ruined the air nearby - there is IMHO the deepest absurdity
No constructive protection. No defensive weapons (except to drive Tunguska to the deck). No take-off and landing equipment. There are no special ammunition storage facilities. There is no special fuel storage facility. Everything is in crates and barrels all over the deck. Beautiful, however!

Quote: Kavtorang

You can send more carriers

The quantity here will not go into quality

Quote: Kavtorang

and you can cover them with escort ships.

Atlantic Conveyor and was covered by escort ships. When the escort ships were attacked by the Exosets, they turned on electronic warfare and "threw the anti-ship missiles off the tail." The missiles were transferred to the Atlantic Conveyor ...
No thanks, no such escort is needed.

Quote: Kavtorang

But without carrier-based aircraft (although I do not like "Harrier-2"), it will not work to cover the expeditionary group of the fleet.

It just needs a normal aircraft carrier.

[Professor]

Drowned. However, even modern nuclear submarines are "sinking" and aircraft carriers are sinking.
And this "aircraft carrier", before drowning, managed to bring a lot of headaches to the Argentines. With him, 12 more crew members also drowned, only 12 crew members, and this was on an unprotected dry cargo ship after two anti-ship missiles hit it on May 25, 1982.

[postman]

Interestingly it will be Rafale M?

OR WHAT THE FRENCH WILL THINK A NEW ...
Night landing of RAFAL m ON THE CARRIER:

[BruderV]

The pilot does it with night vision goggles, but here it turns out as if blindly flew to the characteristic crunch.

[postman]

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and here it turns out as if blindly flew to a characteristic crunch.

according to the testimony of navigation and navigation systems landing (special radar, beacons) and using the lighting system landing aircraft carrier.
Radar Thales Model 1229
laser landing system Sagem Defense Sécurité DALAS
Remind
1.glissade - a word of French origin
2.French landing system "Lear" in the 60s provided landing of jet passenger "Caravel" in FULLY AUTOMATIC MODE.
3. Fresnel lenses (Fresnel (1788-1827)) the same "French origin"

[understudy]

I hope that temporarily, but for now I only envy ... damn it!

[Kavtorang]

I can’t correct the post, so I’ll continue.
For France, the presence of a second aircraft carrier is vital. For, as was rightly noted, the first one turned out to be not very much worth repairing, and already the recharge time of NPPs is right ..
I agree with A professor being in the right place at the right time is half the battle.
For "hurray-patriots" - our only TAVKR, to solve any problem requires six months of work of staff planners. This is not counting the air regiment and escort.
Also for information: the Americans drive their nuclear aircraft carriers to the crossings without escort. If there is an air wing on board, there will be one Hawkeye in the air, two pairs of Hornets on duty - on the deck.

[Akim]

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