"Ukroboronprom": Serial production of the Ukrainian analogue of "Shahedov" has begun

The state concern Ukroboronprom, which is engaged in the development and production of weapons, said that the country has begun mass production of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) similar to the Iranian Shaheds and even better.

From the very beginning of the conflict, Ukraine actively began to use UAVs of various types against Russia. Initially, a significant part of them were foreign-made. However, throughout the conflict it was reported that Ukrainians were actively developing their own drones with a range of 1000 kilometers. Earlier it was also reported that the country had already created its own analogues of Iranian drones-kamikaze Shahed-131 and Shahed-136.

Now, if you believe representatives of Ukroboronprom, the “Ukrainian” Shaheds have been put into mass production. In addition, according to the general director of the concern German Smetanin, they concentrated their efforts on the production of “more complex and expensive” UAVs than the Shaheds.

We have an analogue of the Shahed, but there are also more powerful models, because the Shaheds do not fly that far

- said Smetanin.

The head of the concern noted that there are many state and private manufacturers in Ukraine and added that the Ukrainian Armed Forces have already ordered new drones for use in combat operations. The concern does not report exactly how many of these UAVs were produced as part of “serial production” in Ukraine.

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[Aerodrome]

"Ukroboronprom": Serial production of the Ukrainian analogue of "Shahedov" has begun

studio address

[Researcher M]

Why go to the "studio"? In Iskander, immediately fill in the coordinates.

[Ilya-spb]

I dictate the address. City Kyiv, Bankovskaya street. Zelinsky's office. Send Iskanders to Zelensky on demand.

[Dimm588]

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s completely empty, just a couple of NATO officers and some kind of servants. Zelensky prefers to roam around Europe, he doesn’t like the country entrusted to him, they gave him money - Ukrainians back off.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Aerodrome

"Ukroboronprom": Serial production of the Ukrainian analogue of "Shahedov" has begun

studio address

The head of the concern noted that there are many state and private manufacturers in Ukraine

In my opinion, they made it clear that they would release it in different places.

[Rumata]

Quote: Aerodrome

studio address

Write to Naryshkin personally.

[Egeny]

no big deal, do you think anything will change?
... but it’s scary to leave it unattended, don’t you think?

[Peter1First]

So they will tell you what their address is... I’ve been telling everyone for a long time - we need to finish ukroenergetics at the root! Any more or less heated workshop and factory with fur. the workshop will be used by the enemy as a defense industry, so EVERYTHING must be de-energized and defrosted! /They are not shy - they hit all our energy facilities and infrastructure that they can reach!/ And this, by the way, will be humane, because without energy, Ukraine will inevitably capitulate and the massacre will stop!

[Evgeny_Sviridenko]

The address will not be given, of course, but this whole matter is monitored by purchases, transfer of funds, and other signs. Russia would like more reconnaissance satellites.

[Siberian 66]

In the mines of Soledar they showed an infinite number of brand new Maxims in original packaging. These machine guns can be mounted in pairs on pickup trucks, and their prices will not compete with such devices. To provide decent day and night sights, communications and target designation, and the lethal effect of a rifle bullet will be quite sufficient. It’s not like Junkers and Messer are going down. These things will be shot down. for a sweet soul. Well, of course, it’s very important to find the plant and erase it from the map.

[Michael]

Quote: Siberian 66

These things will be shot down. for a sweet soul.

It is enough to fly above 1000 meters and even the quad Maxim will be useless. But a cheap piston-powered anti-drone fighter will soon be in demand. Armed with a searchlight and three to four machine guns.

[faiver]

and even a quad Maxim will be useless

- well, I wouldn’t swear, the lethality of the 7.62x54 is quite decent if you hit it with tracers and with a good scope....

[Michael]

Quote: faiver

- well, I wouldn’t swear, the lethality of the 7.62x54 is quite decent if you hit it with tracers and with a good scope....

I took a special look. The maximum height reach is 1400 meters.

[faiver]

well, it’s already one and a half times higher, but who knows?

[bayard]

Quote: Michael

a cheap piston-powered anti-drone fighter will soon be in demand.

Yes, but for now it has been decided to use helicopters as such a fighter - they are simply available.

Quote: Michael

Armed with a searchlight and three to four machine guns.

In the night sky on a piston fighter with a searchlight??
Maybe it would be better to have a helicopter with a night sight/thermal imaging sensor?
But seriously, it looks like we are in for a “fun winter” with the development of new skills in detecting and hitting low-altitude, stealth and low-speed targets. And taking into account that the front line and the border with the used ones are about 2000 km. - that’s another task.
We need to decide.
You can pick out a few more deeply buried bunkers with the curators of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the same “Daggers”. Or you can cause a lot of pain somewhere in another direction. And in a completely different location.

[Rumata]

Quote: bayard

You can pick out a few more deeply buried bunkers with the curators of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the same “Daggers”.

We need to decide radically. First, turn off the electricity. Total blackout.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Rumata

Quote: bayard

You can pick out a few more deeply buried bunkers with the curators of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the same “Daggers”.

We need to decide radically. First, turn off the electricity. Total blackout.

Total is possible only after disconnection from the nuclear power plant networks, but in this case, it is guaranteed to fly through our nuclear power plants.
So, a total blackout is not expected.

[bayard]

Quote: Rumata

We need to decide radically. First, turn off the electricity. Total blackout.

We already tried it a year ago, and put a lot of effort into it. Alas, nothing came of it. Too high a level of redundancy for the Ukrainian SSR energy system was established under the USSR. About the defeat of power plants then this is only possible in relation to thermal power plants. This is impossible against nuclear power plants and hydroelectric power plants - inevitable environmental disasters with millions of victims. And since used ones have only 20% of the necessary coal for the heating season, thermal power plants will remain mostly idle anyway. And the power supply will be fully supported by nuclear power plants and hydroelectric power stations, because today there are about 20 - 22 million people left in the country, and energy-intensive industries have not been operating for a long time.
It is necessary to radically change the balance of forces and capabilities on the battlefield. And realize this advantage to the fullest, as efficiently as possible and with minimal losses/costs.

[Zefr]

Install observation balloons with Dopplers. If something flies, they will make a noise. And there the air defense will already load

[bayard]

Quote: Zefr

Install observation balloons with Dopplers.

This requires several conditions:
- so that the country has the production of airships/aerostats of the required class.
- so that all-round radars with suitable characteristics are available, and in stock, and not in projects.
- and most importantly, will it be possible to solve the problem of multidirectional wind gusts and squalls for tethered balloons.
It was because of the last problem that both the USA and the Russian Federation abandoned this idea. Here in the early/mid 00s, in the USA at the end of the first half of the last decade.
The task is not easy. Moreover, even in the first half of the last decade, the problem of detecting low-speed, low-altitude and stealthy attack drones was not so acute. New challenges and threats require new solutions, methods and approaches.
Here, military-scientific meetings/conferences should be held.

[Saffron]

Besides, you can’t find a bolder and simpler goal than a balloon

[Zefr]

The balloon may consist of several spaced apart balloons. What are you going to use to knock him down?
You can install electronic warfare from the FVP drone - you don’t need a lot of power there, just to cover yourself. The missile will not capture only if it is anti-location. So she is very expensive to shoot balloons

[bayard]

Quote: Zefr

The balloon may consist of several spaced apart balloons. What are you going to use to knock him down?

Do you really think that if a high-explosive fragmentation ammunition hits a balloon, nothing will happen to it?
What about a gondola with radar and other equipment?

Quote: Zefr

What will you use to knock him down?

The most reliable remedy is PRLR.

Quote: Zefr

if anti-local. So she is very expensive to shoot balloons

Firstly - not by "balls". The balloon will need to be stabilized so that the wind does not twist it, so it will be shaped like an airship, like the barrage balloons over Moscow and Leningrad in WWII. And the cost of such a “ball” along with the radar and all the necessary equipment will be enough so as not to spare missiles for it.
I am not against the use of AWACS balloons/airships, but for this it is necessary to have everything necessary for this and solve the above problems.
I will also add that at one time several military-scientific conferences were devoted to this topic with a broad discussion of all the problems in this area and the search for solutions to them. And after long meetings and discussions, we came to the conclusion that... with AWACS aircraft everything is much simpler, more convenient, cheaper and more efficient.

[Rumata]

Quote: Michael

But a cheap piston-powered anti-drone fighter will soon be in demand. Armed with a searchlight and three to four machine guns.

Resume production!

[faiver]

Remind you how many years they have been trying to make a replacement for the An-2?

[Dali]

Why are they trying... done.
And recently there was news on TK Zvezda that one of the modifications had been put into mass production.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRruRz5beQM

[Dali]

One bad thing is that without the president’s kick, nothing would have moved (they started making some other crap, a small seven-seater, and called it Baikal, although before they called TVS-2 Baika).

[Siberian 66]

It is enough to fly above 1000 meters and even the quad Maxim will be useless. But a cheap piston-powered anti-drone fighter will soon be in demand. Armed with a searchlight and three to four machine guns.
And I don’t recommend intercepting them on the route. A pickup truck with Maxims is an object-based air defense against such vehicles when they descend to attack. And against all sorts of drones like “Baba Yaga”, it is the twin that will help on pickups. And not like a piston fighter. And such a fighter is not a bad idea in principle. It's definitely cheaper than a helicopter. But where is he? Who will develop it? This is ten years in current realities. And the Maxims - here they are. In boxes.

[Vitaly Koisin]

Serial Yak-130. The flight hour is relatively cheap and can fly at a speed of 300-400 km/h. Two to four 23mm cannon containers, 250 rounds each. If desired, I think it can be easily replaced with cheaper (in terms of consumption) machine gun ones. It’s just that the radars haven’t been put into production production yet, it seems, although there have been developments. For the first time during the day, you can direct from the side, in principle.

[Zefr]

There is a Yak-152. And it seems like it’s even being released

[Michael]

Quote: Siberian 66

And the Maxims - here they are. In boxes.

I just calculated it on a calculator. If you install the quad Maximum within visibility, 150-250 meters from each other, then there will be approximately 4 installations per kilometer. MKAD - 100 km plus, we take 200 km of the front with all sorts of suburbs.
Accordingly, a thousand installations (five crew members) will be enough to cover Moscow. 4000 Maxim machine guns is not a question. The question is, where will you find so many people capable of defending their city in this way?
12 through 12 stand on the roofs, peering and listening to the sky. And shoot with barrage fire knowing that bombs are already falling on you. And don’t flinch, don’t let go of the trigger just because 10-12 year old pioneers are in the attic getting ready to extinguish or drop incendiary bombs from the roof. They have sand and shovels, and you have a machine gun and you are a Komsomol member, and you are already 15 years old.

[Pavel11111]

Shahed's flight altitude is up to 4 kilometers. Maxims hit a height of no more than 1,4 km... And besides Matskva there is also Kazan, Nizhny Novgorod and you never know within reach of Artyomovsk at ~ 1000 km...

[solovjoff]

Helicopters have already been invented for this)

[Pavel11111]

Dreamer - what will you do with the recoil of a machine gun?.. A salvo will destroy your miracle with recoil...

[Saburov_Alexander53]

Create a special regiment "Night Witches" on the AN-2 to combat drones. Equip with nets and fly swatters.

[Uncle_Misha]

They sent a video of shooting at a drone with quad AKs. In the background there is the same tripod, but either a DP or DT is installed. The result of the shooting is not visible, the video has ended. So the idea with Maxims is not so bad, if the Ukrainians really began not to produce, but to collect analogues of Shahids, it might be useful to us too.

[wlkw]

Why pickup trucks? It’s better on carts and horse-drawn ones, it will be so atmospheric and beautiful!

[Murmur 55]

In the near future we will see that this is a statement of fact or a fairy tale for Svidomo; the regime in Kyiv will not be bothered; they need at least some results after the failure of the offensive.

[kriten]

Even assembling one is a failure of our intelligence. Are the enterprises open, is there electricity and everything else? Why wasn't it destroyed? We feel sorry for the workers or are not in the know.

[sagitovich]

Now it will become unsafe in Samara too.

[Girl with a broom]

And in Chelyabinsk it will also be unsafe

[certero]

But for some reason the military doesn’t realize that there is no rear now.
Well, I would like to remember the reason for its beginning - to ensure the security of Russia. Maybe there is some other Russia in power?

[lis-ik]

Quote: certero

Maybe there is some other Russia in power?

Eat. Exactly the one from which you can endlessly pump resources and ruin the real economy.

[Escariot]

Quote: certero

But for some reason the military doesn’t realize that there is no rear now.
Well, I would like to remember the reason for its beginning - to ensure the security of Russia. Maybe there is some other Russia in power?

Another “small victorious war.”

[Orange Bigg]

Quote: Girl with a broom

And in Chelyabinsk it will also be unsafe

I must say thanks for this to the supporters of the negotiations, Minsk.

[rotmistr60]

concentrated their efforts on production "more complex and expensive" UAVs than Shaheds.

Apparently money is not something that chickens peck at. I hope our intelligence is working in this direction? But for some reason the idea arises that they will be released in one of the NATO countries bordering Ukraine (if at all).

[carpenter]

Quote: rotmistr60

But for some reason the thought arises that they will release it in one of the NATO countries bordering Ukraine

I also had the same thought, it was assembled by a neighbor, and the stamp was “Crafted in Ukraine.”

[faiver]

those. if a neighbor's plant accidentally burns down or explodes, then there are no complaints against us

[Saffron]

For the West, this whole mess in Ukraine is brewed for this: they give Ukraine a loan, part of the money goes to buy everything that was supplied. The countries that supplied Ukraine with this far from new weapons are ordering new weapons from Western companies. Factories are busy, profits are dwindling, Ukraine is at war and its debt is accumulating...

[Uncle_Misha]

I didn’t come across a photo of the dismantled Shahid on the Internet, but I saw Orlan. There are component manufacturers from all over the world, I think a similar picture will be with Shahid. It’s easier for Ukrainians in this regard, there are no sanctions. Perhaps there will be a block assembly, perhaps they will be assembled in Poland and delivered to Ukraine as launchers, we’ll see. Not far away, something like the Ukrainian Shaheed plopped down, a funnel three meters deep and about five meters in diameter.. Not very dense, of course, but for stationary objects such as small ones bridges and substations, it is most noteworthy that no air alarms were announced.

[Escariot]

Quote: Uncle_Misha

I didn’t come across a photo of the dismantled Shahid on the Internet, but I saw Orlan. There are component manufacturers from all over the world, I think a similar picture will be with Shahid. It’s easier for Ukrainians in this regard, there are no sanctions. Perhaps there will be a block assembly, perhaps they will be assembled in Poland and delivered to Ukraine as launchers, we’ll see. Not far away, something like the Ukrainian Shaheed plopped down, a funnel three meters deep and about five meters in diameter.. Not very dense, of course, but for stationary objects such as small ones bridges and substations, it is most noteworthy that no air alarms were announced.

It’s the same with Geraniums: spark plugs are from China, bearings are from Japan, and for some reason the serial numbers on the connecting rods are erased with a grinder.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote from Escariot

and for some reason the serial numbers were erased with an angle grinder on the connecting rods.

Not funny. Personally, I rubbed out the numbers with a grinder and then covered them with putty.

[Fitter65]

Now, if you believe representatives of Ukroboronprom, the “Ukrainian” Shaheds were put into mass production.

Why "if"? "Neptune", which they said was released only in a few experimental samples, is really trying to fly, "Alder" as well as "Beaver" too... Therefore, with all the collapse and devastation, they are still releasing something... Germany is like they didn’t bomb, but she developed and produced weapons until the very end. And now those who bombed that Germany, on the contrary, are helping the Nazis in Ukraine...

[Max1984]

It seems to me that the very concept of such drones needs to be improved, tell me, why would this drone commit suicide when you can simply drop a bomb on the target and they will return, if it flew there, then it will somehow return back, the range will be reduced by 2 times, but not all the targets are at the maximum distance, and again the accuracy of the bombing will be high, since the device flies low and slowly the bomb will fall almost in the same place where it is dropped, these are high-altitude high-speed bombers that need a complex aiming system, since the bomb flies several kilometers after being dropped, here the flight altitude is 100 meters and the speed of the device is 200 km per hour, calculating the point of impact is not difficult even without complex sights, and I understand that the device is cheap and it doesn’t seem to be a pity, but excuse me, there are also production possibilities that are not limitless, especially in terms of electronic components, and it’s better for him to be hit by a rocket on the way back and take money from the enemy, than for him to crash and kill himself...

[Uncle_Misha]

Geranium, in fact, is a homing or, if you want, a programmable projectile. A bomber made from it is so-so, dropping a bomb at a hundred meters is theoretically dangerous for the aircraft itself, and there is nothing to say about the penetrating ability of such ammunition.. Another thing is that there are few of them, catastrophically few, raid 40 ka Geraniums are considered massive.

[Max1984]

the bomber, as we imagine it, may be so-so, but what’s the point of destroying the airframe, engine, guidance and control system, when all this can be returned back, a 50 kg bomb does not pose any danger to Geranium, 100 m of height plus also fly there will be about 200 meters before the bomb falls, the distance is safe even from FAB 500, and even if in some cases there is a self-kill, now the device is destroyed in any case, but there will only be a possibility..

[Uncle_Misha]

You are probably right, the danger to the carrier is minimal. But the sight and release mechanism will complicate the design and possibly “eat up” a little of the payload, adding weight. Essentially, Geranium is cheap, for a technically developed country the production costs are cheap.. For example, they produce in China millions of engines, for mowers, mopeds, walk-behind tractors and ending with automobile, aircraft and marine engines. There are no problems with plastic either, my friends and I have fishing rods from China and even garbage bags are ordered from Ali I won’t even write about electronic components, everything is clear here. So it’s not a matter of cost, it’s a matter of the ability to mass-produce and cheaply

[Girl with a broom]

This is probably how they are preparing for peace negotiations with Russia.
Slutsky, Lavrov and Medinsky!
Catch greetings from Ukraine through the windows without preconditions!

[pettabyte]

It's a sign.
A sign that we need to flog those who are slowing down and finally begin to destroy the electrical substations there as a class.
Also depots and oil depots.
And then it will become very difficult for the Ukrainian to do anything there, because a lot of things will fall off without railways and energy/fuel.

[Shtirlic]

does anyone believe this?
There is only one prospect for this enterprise: we all know what happened with the drone exhibition.
It’s another matter if they come from some Baltic region.
But this will not save the “Ukraine” project.

[Fangaro]

This is a cheap and cheerful weapon.
Has the UOP really set up its production facilities in the depths of the Carpathian Mountains and the gnomes are working there without going to the surface? Is it really impossible to determine the place of production and smash it to smithereens?

[kakvastam]

From the very beginning it was clear that any advantage in technology was temporary.
But we haven't started yet...
But it’s time.

[Repellent]

Quote: kakvastam

But we haven't started yet...

Are you going to chew this phrase to death now?

And, yes - you forgot your galoshes

[Commissar77]

We remember demilitarization and denafification

[konst]

The people fundamentally do not want the oligarchs and the removal of external management, which exist according to Article 15.4. They are the power in Russia, what do you want from Putin. It was they who forced us to move away from Kiev and go to the Donbass and Putin to sign an agreement with Biden on the security of the United States from Russia .

[konst]

Watch the video with Putin where he talks about galoshes and you won’t write this nonsense. And if you know the truth and you write this, then you are on the side of the enemy

[Oleg Apushkin]

Perhaps Tomato Pasha will throw in a screwdriver and things will go well.

[mitlantecutli_zen]

Si realmente se producen en Ucrania cómo es posible explicarlo, cómo puede ser que Rusia no lo haya podido impedir con bombardeos certeros y demoledores. Creo que están dejando escapar muchas cosas. Prepárense para desagradables sorpresas si no acaban de ganar ya esa guerra.

[Chernyaev Roman]

Shouldn’t the building in which this “Ukropborovporm” meets be planted with geraniums?

[konst]

Compare how much money is in the budgets of Russia and the United States with the West, taking into account the export of money by “our” oligarchs from Russia to the United States in the amount of 300 billion dollars a year and sanctions. What kind of production is there in large quantities and qualities. It is stronger with conventional weapons - that’s a fact. Only Nuclear deterrence - how in the USSR it will prevent any threat to us. The enemy for us is the USA. When will we understand this?

[Blackflag88]

Well, they won’t launch this into any large series 100%, ours quite often shot down UAVs made in Ukraine, all sorts of leleks, furies or whatever they were, I don’t remember exactly. The quality of these crafts is so-so, but they fly and, in principle, do their job, and of course we’ll see.

[Starley66]

The Concern Was Good......
The evacuation of civilians is announced!!