“There will be no deep and beautiful breakthrough”: Zaluzhny admitted the error of calculations when preparing the counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces

The armed conflict in Ukraine has reached a dead end due to the high level of technological development, so a parallel can be drawn with the events of the First World War. The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, General Valery Zaluzhny, wrote about this in his article for The Economist.

Analyzing the situation, the Ukrainian military leader came to the conclusion that the calculations when preparing the counteroffensive were erroneous. Everything looks good based on NATO military textbooks and math. According to these calculations, the Ukrainian army really should have reached Crimea in four months. But the situation “on the ground” turned out to be different than in the headquarters offices.

As in the First World War, we have reached a level of technology that baffles us. Most likely, there will be no deep and beautiful breakthrough

- writes the commander in chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

According to Zaluzhny, at first he doubted some commanders and replaced them. Then he began to doubt the soldiers and transferred them to other brigades. However, the root of the problem was different.

The simple fact is that we see everything the enemy does, and they see everything we do. In order for us to get out of this impasse, we need something new, like the gunpowder that the Chinese invented

- Commander-in-Chief Zaluzhny came to the conclusion.

He further writes about the great risk of the consequences of trench warfare for the state as a whole. In fact, such a war could exhaust the Ukrainian state. In this case, Zaluzhny writes, Ukraine will sooner or later discover that it “simply does not have enough people to fight.”

Of course, the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not write that the cessation of financial and military assistance from the West would very quickly lead to the complete collapse of the Ukrainian army and the political regime in the country. But Western assistance is not some kind of absolute obligation, and it could easily stop if the political course of the United States or the European Union changes.

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[Viktor Sergeev]

There will be a systematic extermination of the Ukrainian male population.

[anclevalico]

Alas, even if you believe in the mantra 8 to 1, the population is on both sides. Moreover, in our country these are mostly the best, which is doubly offensive

[nobody75]

“It’s like taking money from children for ice cream.”
Sincerely

[common man]

The simple fact is that we see everything the enemy does, and they see everything we do.
Not certainly in that way. Rather, “we see what our masters, the Anglo-Saxons, show us.” Deprive Ukraine of the transfer of intelligence data from NATO members and the war will move forward.

[astronom1973n]

Quote: man in the street

The simple fact is that we see everything the enemy does, and they see everything we do.

Yes, exactly! If it weren’t for their owners, then the Ukrainians would only see the neighbor’s pigsty with a magnifying glass (and that’s made from Chinese material)! And their communication would be through drum signals.

[private person]

Deprive Ukraine of intelligence transmission from NATO members

How ? Declare war on the alliance? These assholes take advantage of the fact that Russia will not agree to confrontation with NATO.

[alexoff]

Not only do we see what they are doing, but six months in advance they begin to tell us about their grandiose plans in numerous interviews.

[rocket757]

“There will be no deep and beautiful breakthrough”: Zaluzhny admitted the error of calculations when preparing the counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces

. Did he save this rubbish for now or did the journalists just now find it?
However... the beginning of a counter r r of something there, they delayed it as best they could... someone understood from the very beginning how it would all end...
Who was this person who could look, listen, think and count in such a way that 2x2 turned out to be 4 and nothing else???

[Alex777]

Pan Ataman suggests surrendering?

[Poplar]

Ukraine will sooner or later discover that it “simply doesn’t have enough people to fight.”

In my opinion, here Zaluzhny indirectly acknowledges the large losses of dill.

[Msi]

Zaluzhny indirectly acknowledges the large losses of dill.

It doesn’t matter... This has long been repeated from all “irons”, both in Europe and in the rest of the world.

[Aken]

He directly admits the complete collapse of all plans.

[Aken]

like gunpowder that the Chinese invented

A very unfortunate parallel.
Even if the Chinese invented gunpowder, they failed to use it.
So if someone invents something, it won’t be from the outskirts.

[Msi]

So if someone invents something, it won’t be from the outskirts.

There hasn’t been such an independent country for a long time... What or who will invent something.
Even the phrase “Ukrainian scientist” is very hard on the ears...

[Aken]

Even the phrase “Ukrainian scientist” is very hard on the ears...

I'll tell you more. The words Ukrainian and Historian can only be placed side by side in a comedic way.
Otherwise the phrase will be nonsense. Or, as very educated people like to say - nonsense.

[Aviator_]

Even if the Chinese invented gunpowder, they failed to use it.

Well, why couldn't they? For internal showdowns where missiles were used, they were completely used. The horses in the cavalry of the local Basmachi even shied away from missiles, as during the conquest of Turkestan by the Republic of Ingushetia in the middle of the XNUMXth century. Another thing is that the Chinese did not come to the point of inventing a decent firearm.

[Aken]

In the XNUMXth century, the Chinese already knew firearms from the Europeans. But they didn’t think of it themselves, although, as they say, they invented gunpowder a thousand years ago.
In Europe, Berthold Schwartz invented gunpowder on Friday. And already on Monday, the military was firing with all its might at the training ground from a cannon modeled after his alchemical mortar.

[aszzz888]

“There will be no deep and beautiful breakthrough”: Zaluzhny admitted the error of calculations when preparing the counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces

But there will be no “breakthrough” at all. From the word NEVER!

[Boycott]

According to Zaluzhny, at first he doubted some commanders and replaced them. Then he began to doubt the soldiers and transferred them to other brigades. However, the root of the problem was different

Well, talk to the end, general! The root of the problem is that you have set your sights on Russia! Like in that song: “What does life teach us? But it teaches us nothing!”

[Gpn27]

Thus, the stories of the Ukrainian leadership that the counteroffensive was going according to plan and was necessary to exhaust our forces were lies. They really expected to break through to Crimea, and this was not the calculation of Zaluzhny, but of the American OKSh. In this case, our army is heroes, and our General Staff is the winner in the summer campaign of 2023

[carpenter]

Quote from Gpn27

They really expected to break through to Crimea, and this was not the calculation of Zaluzhny, but of the American OKSh.

This is how this war was planned by the Americans, for the sake of Crimea, they did not hide it.

[rotmistr60]

there will be no deep and beautiful breakthrough

The realization comes that the victory that was hoped for will not happen either.

we need something new, like the gunpowder that the Chinese invented

Surely he regrets that there are no nuclear weapons, otherwise then everything and everyone would certainly be in ruins.

[Aviator_]

“There will be no deep and beautiful breakthrough”

So it will be shallow and ugly? So is he there or is he not? Or have they not started yet?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

In order for us to get out of this impasse, we need something new, like the gunpowder that the Chinese invented

....so they gave you ultra-modern devices, and there were grandiose dances with tambourines around them... where did it all go!!!.. the mediocrity of the command under the control of drug addicts led to a dead end

[Msi]

mediocrity of command under the control of drug addicts

And the head exists not only to eat and drink into it... I'm talking about Zaluzhny...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

And the head exists not only to eat and drink into it...

...that's what I'm talking about...the mediocrity lies in the profanation of the position he holds...check out his trash

, if based on textbooks of the armies of NATO countries and mathematics.

..yes, I doubt that it even read these textbooks on military affairs.....if it had, then when preparing a plan for a counter-offensive, it would have started with intelligence data that the West provided in batches, and they are as accurate as possible. then I would have come to the conclusion that the counter-offensive would be an adventure and not a military operation... in short, mediocrity is mediocrity in Africa too

[carpenter]

As in the First World War, we have reached a level of technology that baffles us.

Well, Zaluzhny needed to remember the Russian-Turkish wars; he may have completed the ensign courses of WWII, and not the Soviet military school.

[Msi]

“There will be no deep and beautiful breakthrough”: Zaluzhny admitted

There will be no “bulge”... soon there will be a “bulge”...

[Arkadich]

Speaking about the shortage of this and that, Zaluzhny, by the way, did not say anything about ammunition. So there are no special problems.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

By the way, Zaluzhny didn’t say anything about ammunition.

...and he doesn’t need it...we read

In order for us to get out of this impasse, we need something new,

...that is, what kind of thread is a small death star...and the shells are like that

[Arkadich]

If you read his speech, he calls the absence or small number of air forces, electronic warfare, counter-battery systems, and mine clearance a disadvantage. Not a word about ammunition.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

well those are his words

. Most likely, there will be no deep and beautiful breakthrough

...therefore the breakthrough will be...but superficial and clumsy...and for this you don’t need a lot of ammunition...fat being this is a secondary topic, if not a third one

[BAI]

Everything looks good based on NATO military textbooks and math. According to these calculations, the Ukrainian army really should have reached Crimea in four months.

Well, if NATO textbooks believe that an attack on pre-prepared positions can be carried out without 4-fold superiority and air supremacy, then the flag is in their hands.
This is welcome

[anclevalico]

So, this phrase is valid for both sides, unfortunately.

[Andrey “andrewTSO” D]

doubted some commanders and replaced them. Then... he began to doubt the soldiers and transferred them to other brigades

Dude, the beds need to be rearranged!

[Amateur]

A war of mutual extermination of two branches of Orthodox Slavs plays into the hands of everyone except the Slavs themselves. Anglo-Saxon Catholics rub their sweaty hands and rejoice.

[Bayun]

If you look at it from a military amateurish perspective, everything is so. “Breakthrough” means a million soldiers, thousands of aircraft, tanks and other armored vehicles in the front-line breakthrough area. Let Mr. Zaluzhny not turn on the idiot! With battalions, a dozen planes and a dozen tanks, there can be no “breakthroughs”! This is absolutely clear to any corporal without any strategies or general staffs.

[Andrey “andrewTSO” D]

Analyzing the situation, the Ukrainian military leader came to the conclusion that the calculations when preparing the counteroffensive were erroneous. Everything looks beautiful based on the textbooks of the armies of NATO countries

So why do you need to join NATO, you idiot?!))

[Bayun]

Offtopic bike. The U-Robbers really wanted to become Pirates. “You’ll be lost! Look, you don’t know how to SWIM!” - the robber brothers shouted to them. But they did not listen and... drowned...

[Andrey “andrewTSO” D]

Analyzing the situation, the Ukrainian military leader came to the conclusion that the calculations when preparing the counteroffensive were erroneous. Everything looks beautiful based on the textbooks of the armies of NATO countries

So why do you need to join NATO, you idiot?!))

[Crimean partisan 1974]

So why do you need to join NATO, you idiot?!))

...why?...they feed you well, they dress you well, you don’t have to fight a war, only by consent...the main thing is to fart louder in a puddle...and under the nuclear umbrella...in a word, the dream of every pig-nosed man...a freebie

[Andrey “andrewTSO” D]

Quote: Amateur

rubbing sweaty hands

If there are any Catholics in Pndoisatne, they are very few.

[Sergey Valov]

“due to the high level of technology development” - what does technology have to do with it??? The development of technology has once again outpaced the development of military theory. Some time will pass, most likely not much, and the military will adapt to the new realities. This happened many times - with the advent of breech-loading weapons, with the advent of machine guns, tanks, aviation... And as for technology, the military doesn’t care how the weapon is made.

[ZovSailor]

So, I was afraid to say that NATO tactics and strategy,
like the art of war
conducting a successful network-centric war while developing
modern species
weapons and technology, to be thrown into the trash
and a deep rethinking of source policy
the emergence of threats and wars in the world, national security
and the inability to build one’s own national security to the detriment of others
countries.
But in the RF Armed Forces the ability to fight and win is superior
all sorts of horror stories from the false West about the advantages of NATO.

[Ivanushka Ivanov]

Now they will separate us for their offensive. Including some “patriots”.
The fact is that, not having enough soldiers to crush in mass, we can advance by biting off and mastering (primarily counter-battery ... and air defense / missile defense) small areas.
Deep breakthroughs will be possible when the Ukrainian regime crumbles and control over all people is lost.
Returning to the main idea... Now in the West they will begin to promote the theme of “Uhropia”, inciting our General Staff to finish off the Uhropia. But this is a trap. We will be drained of blood just as much / as they are now /. And then, on terms acceptable to themselves, the “partners” will begin negotiations.
Our task was, and remains, to destroy the enemy’s energy. This is the fastest and most humane way to end the war.

[Huarabey]

They didn't take into account the main thing. You cannot defeat Russia on its territory. At least read history. And now, when there are nuclear weapons, even more so. Again they hoped for "Blitzkrieg" and again they screwed up.

[faterdom]

How is that?
Respected spectators paid for very expensive tickets, sat comfortably in the dimness of the hall, bought tons of fried corn, critics had already pressed enthusiastic articles into expensive magazines in advance...
The Academy has reserved all the Oscars to honor writers, directors and actors who have already been nominated as stars.
And then some aborigine comes out in a dirty T-shirt and with a fume: “There will be no kin!”
Is this...how, is this..."the entire civilized world - the bills that paid for the performance of the king and the duke from "The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn"?
Here they have only one desire: the failed movie can be replaced with lynching! This will be quite a sublimation.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Yes, I agree. There probably won’t be a beautiful and deep breakthrough. The Russian army will approach Kyiv through the difficult and gradual liberation of the territories occupied by the Nazi regime.

[Alexey G]

The simple fact is that we see everything the enemy does, and they see everything we do. In order for us to get out of this impasse, we need something new, like the gunpowder that the Chinese invented

No Zaluzhny! In chess, you can also see what your opponent is doing and he sees what you are doing, but you can still win. You need to place your pieces correctly and then, all other things being equal, you will be able to checkmate faster!
There is another way to realize a numerical or material advantage. And no gunpowder or other prodigy is needed. Stop reading Hitler!

Ukraine will sooner or later discover that it “simply doesn’t have enough people to fight.”

That is, you realized that you could still lose, which means you understand that you could have won, but that’s not the problem, there are fewer people in Ukraine than in Russia... Why didn’t you, so smart, immediately calculate the mob’s potential??? Did you study poorly?
And most importantly, you also placed your figures poorly. Your entire homeland is located in a semicircle of Russia and its ally Belarus, so every day, as our army strengthens, you will live like a snake in a frying pan, twisting and turning in all directions, but not avoiding the heat! So you will burn, traitor of the Slavic people!

[TermNachTer]

I’m not afraid of this word - STRATEGISTE))) even military school cadets are taught to carry out basic, approximate calculations of the necessary forces and means to carry out an operation. It was clear from the very beginning that neither one nor the other was enough. But it took six months of meat grinding for the giraffe to reach it.