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News bulletin: the situation around the Senkaku Islands may escalate

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News bulletin: the situation around the Senkaku Islands may escalateBEIJING, January 7


Chinese patrol ships patrol the Diaoyu Islands / Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea. This is stated in the official statement of the State Oceanographic Department of the People's Republic of China, which is distributed today. In the area of ​​the islands are the ships "Haijian-51", "Haijian-26", "Haijian-66", "Haijian-137", according to a brief statement of the department.

The Chinese ships carry out "regular legal patrols" around the Diaoyu Islands, aimed "at protecting the country's sovereignty and rights to the sea," the statement says.

BEIJING, January 8

China refuses to accept the protest of Japan in connection with the regular entry of Chinese patrol ships into the zone near the disputed Diaoyu Islands / Senkaku / in the East China Sea. This is stated in a statement released today by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the PRC.

"The Diaoyu Islands and the islands adjacent to them are Chinese territory. Chinese ships operate in the waters near the islands within the law," the document says. "Japanese ships and aircraft repeatedly illegally entered the waters around the archipelago and found themselves in the airspace above the islands, and China has expressed its protest to the Japanese side, calling on it to stop illegal actions. "

On Tuesday, the Japanese Foreign Ministry spokesman summoned the Chinese Ambassador to Tokyo and expressed an official protest over the arrival on Monday of four Chinese patrol ships into the zone near the disputed islands.

TOKYO, January 11

The Japanese authorities decided to create a special permanent coast guard unit from 12 ships for the defense of the uninhabited Senkaku / Diaoyu Islands / in the East China Sea, which Beijing regards as its illegally occupied territories. As reported by the Tokyo media, the group will include about 400 fighters of the Maritime Security Directorate, which in Japan combines the functions of border and rescue services.
Already this fiscal year, it is planned to order six new patrol ships with a displacement of one thousand tons each. In the coming months, two existing large patrol vehicles will also be upgraded.

Senkaku / Diaoyu Islands / Japan included in its territory in 1895 year. Tokyo claims that they were uninhabited and did not belong to anyone. Beijing, for its part, declares that these territories were forcibly taken from him by Japan as a result of the war with China and should be returned. The conflict escalated sharply after 11 September 2012, when the Japanese government bought a number of these islands from their private owners, the citizens of Japan. Beijing believes that such a demarche is intended to reinforce Tokyo’s rights to these territories.

Since then, the Chinese patrol ships have already 21 once defiantly entered the area around Senkaku, which Japan considers its territorial waters. Beijing makes it clear that it will continue such mental attacks. Only on Thursday about ten Chinese aircraft, including military aircraft, also flew to the airspace of the islands. The Japanese F-15 fighters (Latin letter) were raised to intercept them. After that, the Chinese planes left the zone adjacent to Senkak, and no collision occurred. Tokyo reported that they did not fly into an area that Japan regards as its airspace.

TOKYO, January 11

Japan today was again forced to fly the fighters in response to the approach of the Chinese aircraft to the airspace over the Senkaku / Diaoyu Islands / in the East China Sea, which Tokyo considers its territory. This is reported by the Japanese media.

A patrol aircraft of the State Oceanographic Office of the People's Republic of China was spotted 100 kilometers southeast of Senkaku. Directly into the airspace above the archipelago, the Chinese turboprop aircraft model Harbin Y12 did not go. The Coast Guard of Japan also reports that there are currently four guard ships of the PRC near Senkaku.

For the second day in a row, the Japanese self-defense forces had to use fighters in connection with the approach of Chinese aircraft to the disputed islands. On the eve of the airspace Senkaku flew about ten Chinese aircraft, including the military. The Japanese F-15 fighters (Latin letter) were raised to intercept them. There were no clashes, since the Chinese aircraft then left the area adjacent to Senkaku. Tokyo reported that they did not fly into an area that Japan regards as its airspace. The Chinese Foreign Ministry said that military flights over the East China Sea are "routine", and called the Japanese reaction to it "baseless and leading to an escalation of tension in the region."
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 12 January 2013 07: 47 New
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    The Japanese have already pissed off the battle for the islands once, they want to see revenge. Yesterday about our islands, today about the Chinese. One I don’t understand that China can’t move 100 Chinese to these two islands. Let everyone plant rice there and do business.

    By the way, here's the news in Syria, ours will land in front of militants tongue

    The Russian fleet is preparing to conduct large-scale exercises off the coast of Syria, where a civil war continues between government forces and the opposition. A key part of the operation will be the development of an assault landing with military equipment, as well as the loading of personnel and equipment on ships from the Syrian coast. The expert believes that in this way two scenarios can be worked out at once - both the evacuation of Russian citizens from Syria, and the landing for the defense of the Russian embassy.

    Russian ships during joint maneuvers in the Eastern Mediterranean at the end of January will work out landing operations off the coast of Syria, a source at the General Staff told Interfax on Friday.

    Recall that in Syrian Tartus is the only foreign Russian naval base.

    “One of the key maneuvers of the group will be the drawing of tactical episodes on the landing of several naval infantry and airborne units, as well as military equipment from four landing ships of the Baltic and Black Sea fleets,” the agency’s interlocutor noted.
    1. bask
      bask 12 January 2013 07: 56 New
      15
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      once they had drunk the battle for the islands, they want to see revenge.

      Is the Chinese hold back ???? ... Their darkness !!!!! recourse .. Throwing fishing rods.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 12 January 2013 10: 15 New
        +2
        Quote: bask
        Is the Chinese hold back ???? ... Their darkness !!!!! recourse .. Throwing fishing rods.

        That's for sure! Do not hold on!
        1. Sergh
          Sergh 12 January 2013 10: 39 New
          10
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          both the evacuation of Russian citizens from Syria, and the landing for protection

          Hello everyone!
          What the hell is the evacuation, all the gangsters have already been put, although the pretext is clear. It's like amers, without a thread in the jo..powl, you have to adopt the tactics, right. That is, if during the landing, one shot is enough, then an armed attack "in execution", to bring down everyone from all the guns and give a lift, and who fired, where from ??? It doesn't matter anymore, well done.

          And with China and Japan, it’s good, we like it. Let them there, away from each other hari clean. Just great!
          1. Cavas
            Cavas 12 January 2013 10: 56 New
            +8
            Quote: Sergh
            What the hell evacuation

            How what?
            They will run across Syria and search and seek our citizens, from border to border!
            But if a "rebel" is caught, then you definitely interfere with the evacuation ...
            1. FREGATENKAPITAN
              FREGATENKAPITAN 12 January 2013 11: 47 New
              +8
              ........... France launched a military intervention in Mali, where last week the conflict between government forces and extremist rebels sharply escalated, NTV.Ru reports. The Republican Air Force has already launched the first airstrikes on militant positions, stopping their advance. The order to introduce troops on the eve was given by French President Francois Hollande.

              The conflict in a West African country, a former French colony, erupted in March 2012, when the military rebelled and overthrew the president for his inability to cope with the Tuareg uprising, the television company reported.

              ...... The reason for the "help" was the fact that there are about 6 thousand French citizens in Mali .......


              .. So everything is simple ................. in Syria, as far as I remember, there are several tens of thousands of Russians..........................Forward the Navy !!!!
              1. Splin
                Splin 12 January 2013 11: 54 New
                0
                FREGATENKAPITAN,
                Here I agree that the French need to be put in place. And then the appetite comes with eating!
              2. Anton
                Anton 12 January 2013 13: 19 New
                +3
                Well, actually, the French didn’t go there by themselves, and the Mali leadership asked for their help. And there, besides the French, there is an African contingent.
                1. Vladimirets
                  Vladimirets 12 January 2013 14: 19 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Anton
                  Well, actually, the French didn’t go there by themselves, and the Mali leadership asked for their help. And there, besides the French, there is an African contingent.

                  Well, actually, Assad can also ask for help from us. wink
                  1. Anton
                    Anton 12 January 2013 15: 38 New
                    +1
                    Maybe, but for now not asking)
                    But the UN Security Council may not approve of such an intervention, unlike this case) Although the West personally often did not care about the Security Council's opinion so that I think we could not give a damn)
                    1. Botanologist
                      Botanologist 12 January 2013 16: 53 New
                      0
                      But the UN Security Council may not approve such an intervention, unlike

                      And what does the UN Security Council have to do with it? We want to protect our base in Tartus, all business then. Well, the adjacent security zone of this base, kilometers wide in 300.
                      1. Anton
                        Anton 12 January 2013 19: 15 New
                        0
                        I would not really mind but whether we decide.
                    2. Vladimirets
                      Vladimirets 12 January 2013 19: 51 New
                      0
                      Quote: Anton
                      Maybe, but for now not asking)

                      How do you know?)))
                      1. Anton
                        Anton 12 January 2013 21: 15 New
                        0
                        Well, then I missed something in the news ... did not see information about the request for help
              3. GSH-18
                GSH-18 12 January 2013 17: 00 New
                0
                Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN
                So everything is simple ................. in Syria, as far as I remember, there are several tens of thousands of Russians .................... ...... Forward the Navy !!!!

                For one thing, the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet, the Guards Cruiser Moskva, will be able to show all those who doubt Kuz'kin's mother! am A real show of force is the most effective diplomatic argument.
            2. old rocket man
              old rocket man 12 January 2013 13: 27 New
              +1
              Cavas,
              And then. You can still "forget" the battalion of marines, Russian slovenliness recourse
          2. Papakiko
            Papakiko 12 January 2013 11: 25 New
            +1
            Almost a topic, but a joy!

            URGENT-URGENT-URGENT
            Look in "google maps"
            Everett. PC. Washington. water area "Puget Sound"
            On a scale of 20 meters.
            At the Quay there is a half-submerged number 72 "Abraham Lincoln
            "

            ps / relevance is not known. repeat

            There's a December shot, Norfolk.
            http://nosikot.livejournal.com/904164.html
      2. Zabvo
        Zabvo 12 January 2013 11: 42 New
        +2
        There is no doubt that there is darkness, but the older generations do not have combat experience, much less victorious. By the way, which is one of the limiting factors of China’s aggression against the Russian Federation.
        1. illarion
          illarion 12 January 2013 14: 08 New
          0
          That's why they need to participate in Syria. Where else can you safely train your special forces? But what experience will appear. Yes, and ours will learn them.
      3. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 12 January 2013 13: 07 New
        +1
        This is by the way the fleet of Taiwan, they supported China. By the way, earlier it was generally impossible. They were on the brink of war, but during the elections, the necessary parties and candidates were passed into power and Taiwan is already supporting China.
      4. old rocket man
        old rocket man 12 January 2013 13: 18 New
        +1
        bask,
        The trouble, however, is now all bamboo will be plagued laughing
      5. sergo0000
        sergo0000 12 January 2013 15: 20 New
        +3
        bask,
        If you need at least two Japanese watchdogs per one Chinese fishing boat to detain, then how can you keep it! laughing
      6. PN
        PN 13 January 2013 11: 40 New
        0
        Yes, mine everything around there and deal with the end.
    2. donchepano
      donchepano 12 January 2013 11: 54 New
      +1
      NEHA FIGHT
      WE ARE QUIET
    3. Wedmak
      Wedmak 12 January 2013 12: 43 New
      +2
      It is strange that the Syrian side does not comment on these teachings of our fleet at its shores. Not even a word about the flotilla with a bunch of BDK. Or am I missing something?
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 12 January 2013 13: 34 New
      +5
      Successful night battle in Daraya - 90 militants killed by two Saudis killed



      The victory of the Syrian army ended in nine days of fierce fighting with a large detachment of foreign fighters surrounded in the Islamic madrasah Daraya. Tonight, four soldiers led by a lieutenant managed to break into the ground floor of the building. Following them, eight soldiers under the command of the captain took the second floor. Then the surrounded fighters retreated to the basement. When the main forces entered the building, they fired from the narrow, five-centimeter slots on the feet of the soldiers, killing the wounded and fallen with shots to the head. The loss of 8 fighters determined the fate of more than 90 Front Al Nusra terrorists hiding in the basement, commanded by a Saudi and his adult son, an al-Qaeda militant. More than 90 corpses of terrorists who refused to give up on several flights today were taken out of the madrasah of the Syrian Emergencies Ministry brigade.
      The command of the group allowed us on the BMP of our favorite Abu Ali, under cover of two tanks, to get into the command center recaptured from the militants. Interview soldiers you can hear for yourself. See with what joy they burn the banners of Al Qaeda detachments - Al Nusra Front. I was pleased with the recoilless gun in positions, the high morale of the soldiers. Unfortunately, the next attack began and we were asked not to get under our feet, since the armored vehicles were supposed to cover not us, but the infantry. I had to obey and leave the front line. On the way, I, as always, joked, asking Victor not to spoil my military jacket, which, due to the cold weather, he threw over his armor. An infantry fighting vehicle fired on someone while filling the compartment with the sour smell of gunpowder. As it turned out, it was not in vain. According to the triplex of the car between me and Victor, a gang bullet of 12,7 mm caliber entered the armor, fortunately unsuccessfully, another struck the front end. Fresh traces of shelling were demonstrated to us by Abu Ali.
      Unfortunately, literally after 20-30 minutes he brought from the same place - the place of our landing in the madrasah, a seriously wounded soldier in the head. BMP Abu Ali there was twice fired from an RPG, the fragments of which hit the fighters who were ready to attack. Let's hope the fighter survives.
      ANNA-NEWS Agency, Marat Musin, Vasily Pavlov, Andrey Filatov, Andrey Euzminov, Dmitry Ershov, Victor Kuznetsov, Daraya.


      Source: http://anna-news.info/node/9516
      Full gunner interview (1,5 minutes longer)

      Syrian General Interview

      School Liberation in Daraya
      1. illarion
        illarion 12 January 2013 14: 29 New
        +4
        The general said in an interview that they are now trying to clear the catacombs of the militants. I would put the tank near the entrance, make a pipe from tarpaulin and send smoke from a running engine into the catacombs. We would not sit there for long. German know-how.))
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 12 January 2013 14: 41 New
          +1
          Well, judging by the text, they did something like that.
    5. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 12 January 2013 16: 41 New
      +1
      Strange thing, as soon as Beijing and Tokyo switched to national currencies in trade and abandoned the dollar, a dispute over the islands immediately appeared ... mmm
      1. mogus
        mogus 12 January 2013 16: 53 New
        0
        we are also working in national currency with China ...
    6. scrack
      scrack 12 January 2013 23: 42 New
      0
      Either the Japanese themselves want to fight, or someone is pushing them ... Either some kind of imperial ways are looming among the Chinese
  2. MG42
    MG42 12 January 2013 08: 22 New
    +7
    Let the fighters let off steam. Maybe the USA will harness for the Japs? angry
    1. dirty trick
      dirty trick 12 January 2013 08: 45 New
      +7
      Quote: MG42
      Let the fighters let off steam. Maybe the USA will harness for the Japs?
  3. KAZAKHSTAN
    KAZAKHSTAN 12 January 2013 08: 29 New
    +1
    China has a large territory where it will unfold and what the Japs ?! Isle! Che show off? Here is a fried Chinese duck pecking in w ... pu will know !!!
    1. Anton
      Anton 12 January 2013 09: 11 New
      +5
      Well, the Chinese have always had a large territory and population, but this did not stop the same Japanese from constantly hammering them. The Chinese, in my opinion, are not warriors. It would be different, for example, the Mongols with Genghis Khan would not have passed beyond the Chinese wall .. they would have remained. They had a huge superiority over the Mongols. There was no one China then, but nevertheless ... they turned over huge armies and that the Mongols did everything they knew.
      1. tanit
        tanit 12 January 2013 09: 28 New
        +3
        Not certainly in that way. Northern China was captured by the yuanchas, and it was them (and the Chinese, the same as without it) that Temuchin cut. By the way, South China (where ethnic Hani ruled) actively helped the Mongols, for which he later paid. And before the Mongol invasion, the yuanchi and the hani hung on the "sons of Yamato"
  4. bask
    bask 12 January 2013 08: 30 New
    +4
    Quote: MG42

    Let the fighters let off steam. Maybe the USA will harness for the Japs

    MG42 SUSHA sure to harness. The more tension and the Cold War between Tokyo and Beijing .. Russia is only in + from this .. They will not bother us with territorial claims.
    1. MG42
      MG42 12 January 2013 08: 40 New
      +8
      Let the Japs and the Chinas dispose of their obsolete ammunition = firing them at one another. Things will not reach nuclear weapons, but the military potential of the opponents will noticeably decrease. In the next decade, their neck will not turn towards Russia.
      1. bask
        bask 12 January 2013 08: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: MG42
        In the next decade, they will not turn their neck towards Russia

        See at the root. drinks drinks drinks
        1. Guun
          Guun 12 January 2013 09: 04 New
          0
          I’m talking about what you’re about, but the Japanese will be defeated in a short time. It’s a fact. The United States intends to end the game in the Middle East and whether it will be drawn into the conflict, it will cry to the media that the Japanese were cut out, they say, inhumane. , plus strategic bombers were there then, and now, let's say, they were cast and thrown.
          1. Gemar
            Gemar 12 January 2013 09: 54 New
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            Quote: Guun
            the Japanese will be defeated in a short time is a fact

            A very dubious fact, I will tell you!
            The fleet of the Japs will be stronger than the Chinese. And the USA will help them with submarines (the fruit of my sick imagination).
            It seems that the amers will help Japan with intelligence and information war. The United States will not enter the war, but they will not disdain to promote their system.
            I still think, in view of the recent statements about the interests of the United States in this region, they will drive a couple of AUGs and there will be no clash. China still has a thin gut to compete with amers. Plus, China is used to winning without drawing its sword from its scabbard, but only partially drawing it.
            The fact of aggressive behavior is explained by the internal problems of China (I have been in the PRC for more than eight years, believe the contradictions there are darkness). After the crisis in China, the darkness of the unemployed. And here is a reason to rally.
            In general, as a resident of the Far East, such a confrontation under my nose is extremely uninteresting ...
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 12 January 2013 10: 22 New
              +8
              Hyuuga-class destroyers
              DDH-181 Hyuga 18.03.2009/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DDH-16 "Ise" 16.03.2011/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              Helicopter destroyers - 2
              Shirane-class destroyers
              DDH-143 "Shirane" 17.03.1980/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DDH-144 Kurama 27.03.1981/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              Destroyers URO - 8
              Atago-class destroyers
              DDG-177 "Atago" 15.03.2007/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DDG-178 "Asigara" 13.03.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              Destroyers of the Congo type
              DDG-173 "Congo" 25.03.1993/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DDG-174 "Kirishima" 16.03.1995/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DDG-175 "Myoko" 14.03.1996/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DDG-176 "Youkai" 20.03.1998/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              Hatakaze-type destroyers
              DDG-171 "Hatakaze" 27.03.1986/XNUMX/XNUMX In the ranks
              DDG-172 "Shimakaze" 23.03.1988/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              Destroyers - 32
              Destroyer destroyers of the Akizuki type (2010)
              DD-115 "Akizuki" 14.03.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              Takanami-class destroyers
              DD-110 "Takanami" 12.03.2003/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-111 “Onami” 13.03.2003/XNUMX/XNUMX In the ranks
              DD-112 "Makinami" 18.03.2004/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-113 "Sadzanami" 16.02.2005 In the ranks
              DD-114 "Suzunami" 16.02.2006 In the ranks
              Destroyers of the Murasame type (1994)
              DD-101 "Murasame" 12.03.1996/XNUMX/XNUMX In the ranks
              DD-102 Harusame 24.03.1997/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-103 "Judith" 04.03.1999/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-104 "Kirisame" 18.03.1999/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-105 "Inazuma" 15.03.2000/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-106 "Samidare" 21.03.2000/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-107 Ikazuti 14.03.2001/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-108 "Akebono" 19.03.2002/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-109 "Ariake" 06.03.2002/XNUMX/XNUMX In the ranks
              Destroyers of the Asagiri type
              DD-151 "Asagiri" 17.03.1988/XNUMX/XNUMX In formation Converted to training.
              DD-152 "Yamagiri" 25.01.1989/XNUMX/XNUMX In formation Converted to training.
              DD-153 "Yugiri" 28.02.1989/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-154 Amagiri 17.03.1989/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-155 Hamagiri 31.01.1990/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-156 "Setogiri" 14.02.1990/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-157 Savagiri 16.03.1990/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-158 Yumigiri 12.03.1991/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              Hatsuyuki-class destroyers
              DD-123 "Shirajuki" 08.02.1982/XNUMX/XNUMX In the ranks
              DD-124 "Mineyuki" 26.01.1984/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-125 "Savayuki" 15.02.1984/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-127 "Isoyuki" 23.01.1985/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-128 "Haruyuki" 14.03.1985/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-129 "Yamayuki" 03.12.1985/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-130 "Matsuyuki" 19.03.1986/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-131 "Setoyuki" 11.12.1986/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DD-132 "Asayuki" 20.02.1987/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              Frigates - 6
              Abukum type frigates
              DE-229 "Abukuma" 12.12.1989 In service
              DE-230 "Dzintsu" 28.02.1990/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DE-231 "Oedo" 23.01.1991/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DE-232 Sendai 15.03.1991/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              DE-233 "Tikuma" 24.02.1993 In service
              DE-234 Tone 8.02.1993/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              Submarines - 18
              Soryu-class submarines
              SS-501 "Litter" 30.03.2009/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              SS-502 Unryu March 25.03.2010, XNUMX
              SS-503 "Hakuryu" 14.03.2011/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              SS-504 Kenryu March 16.03.2012, XNUMX In service
              Oyashio-class submarines
              SS-590 Oyashio 16.03.1998/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              SS-591 Mitisio 10.03.1999/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              SS-592 Uzusio 09.03.2000/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              SS-593 Makisio 29.03.2001/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              SS-594 Isosio 14.03.2002/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              SS-595 "Narusio" 03.03.2003 In service
              SS-596 Kuroshio 08.03.2004/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              SS-597 Takashio 09.03.2005/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              SS-598 Yaesio 09.03.2006/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              SS-599 Setosio 28.02.2007/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              SS-600 Motisio 06.03.2008/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              Harusio Submarines
              SS-587 Wakashio 01.03.1994/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              SS-588 Fuyusio 07.03.1995/XNUMX/XNUMX In service
              SS-589 "Asasio" 12.03.1997/XNUMX/XNUMX In the ranks Training
              1. Gemar
                Gemar 12 January 2013 11: 33 New
                +2
                Quote: nycsson
                In the ranks

                + + +
                Exactly! And that's not counting the guard! It would be strange if an island nation with such GDP as Japan would not have a powerful fleet.
                And the fifth generation plane they will accept will bring to mind not much later than the Chinese.
                1. AK-74-1
                  AK-74-1 12 January 2013 16: 40 New
                  +3
                  Hello, dear Sergey - Gamar! What are the reasons why a small hotel called Japan should have a stronger fleet than China. The presence of huge GDP per capita is absolutely not correlated with defense potential. The defense potential can be calculated in the amount of iron ore, per capita, the amount of produced powder, etc. What does printed Yen have to do with defense. Japan does not even have its own necessary space for tactical ground operations. From the point of view of strategy, in place of the Japanese, after the declaration of war, China, the entire population needs to flee sharply to the Russian embassy and seek political asylum somewhere between the Yenisei and Lena rivers. What does the Japanese agree to a very limited autonomy.
                  Blitzkrieg against China is simply not possible due to the enormous human resources.
                  All of the above, of course, is true only if the Japanese will not join the Amer, Indian and Saudi .... (optional list can be supplemented) defense potential.
                  1. Gemar
                    Gemar 12 January 2013 18: 18 New
                    +1
                    Quote: AK-74-1
                    Hello, dear Sergey - Gamar!

                    Hello, dear Andrey - "the world's best automatic machine"!
                    Quote: AK-74-1
                    What are the reasons why a small hotel called Japan should have a stronger fleet than China.

                    The reasons are trivial - China recently overtook Japan in terms of GDP. China has recently acquired its current technological level. China has absolutely no allies who will help it in difficult times (no one needs a strong PRC, with their worldview of "the middle of their state"). I don’t think that you have the slightest doubt that in the event of a conflict, amers' intelligence service will come to the aid of the Japanese !?
                    Quote: AK-74-1
                    Japan does not even have its own necessary space for tactical ground operations.

                    What are the ground operations between the zhraty Asians? Their "cream of society" live too well to allow "ground operations"! The maximum is playing with sea muscles. And here the comparison is clearly not in favor of the PRC. I have lived in Dalian for 3 years. My father worked in Dalian for six months. And I can judge the quality of the products of their shipyards.
                    Do you know anything about Chinese submarines? Only a few (built according to our project, I don’t remember which one) meet the noise requirements.
                    Quote: AK-74-1
                    Blitzkrieg against China is simply not possible

                    Nobody even "stuttered" about the blitzkrieg. This music will be eternal (or rather long).
                    Best regards, Sergei! hi
            2. Zabvo
              Zabvo 12 January 2013 12: 02 New
              +1
              Greetings fellow countryman. Totally agree with you. Especially about the domestic problems of China. drinks
              1. Gemar
                Gemar 12 January 2013 18: 23 New
                +1
                Quote: ZABVO
                Greetings fellow countryman

                fellow
                Always glad to fellow countrymen! +
                Happy holidays, Ivan! drinks
            3. GSH-18
              GSH-18 12 January 2013 17: 32 New
              0
              Quote: Gamar
              I still think, in view of the recent statements about the interests of the United States in this region, they will drive a couple of AUGs and there will be no clash. China still has a thin gut to compete with amers. Plus, China is used to winning without drawing its sword from its scabbard, but only partially drawing it.

              Japan will not be able to count on real military support from the states. No AUGs will not, do not expect! China holds the eggs tightly with the States with financial scissors is more serious than the AUGs! All this fuss with a demonstration of the time of fighter approaching the disputed islands of both sides is nothing more than toilet attempts to save face during farting! laughing
              1. Gemar
                Gemar 12 January 2013 20: 22 New
                +3
                Quote: GSH-18
                Japan will not be able to count on real military support from the states.

                Absolutely! +
                But, I think, no one considers such an alignment possible. Rather, the United States will earn extra money off the Japanese by supplying them with anti-ship and anti-radar missiles. Well, maybe they are upgrading a couple of dozen aircraft. And, most importantly, the United States will launch such an information war against the PRC that the entire "democratic" world will start screaming loudly about the aggression of the Asian communists. Only for this amers will not take money.
                1. MG42
                  MG42 13 January 2013 02: 10 New
                  +3
                  Japanese technology is much higher in quality than Chinese. And the United States has military bases in Japan. Last time AUG they sent hi

                  nycsson rights.
                  1. Zabvo
                    Zabvo 14 January 2013 16: 42 New
                    0
                    And this is how our Pacific Fleet needs to drive up. I really want to live to see the creation of a full-fledged carrier fleet in Russia, Russia simply does not have the right not to be a sea power. By the way, regarding the video, they were more afraid of the Russian lads in the nineties than the army.
              2. Zabvo
                Zabvo 14 January 2013 16: 32 New
                0
                States are harnessed in every way. No wonder they transfer their influence at a fast pace to the Pacific Ocean, etc ... This is very, very good for us.
          2. nycsson
            nycsson 12 January 2013 10: 18 New
            +5
            Quote: Guun
            I know what you mean, but the Japanese will be defeated in a short time. This is a fact.

            I do not agree! Japan has long had full-fledged aircraft! Including a powerful fleet!
            1. Guun
              Guun 12 January 2013 10: 41 New
              0
              Time will tell, and I bet that the Japanese will lose the island and the United States will not come to the rescue.
            2. Gemar
              Gemar 12 January 2013 12: 09 New
              +1
              For nycsson:
              You somehow sadly declared about "Gorshkov", they say, we would leave it to ourselves and tra-la-la ... hi
              Here, indeed, in the Far East, this "immigrant ship" would be useful. And then somehow it is necessary to cover the future helicopter carriers "Vladivostok" and "Sevastopol". Yes, they also have a couple of multipurpose submarines, the cruiser Peter the Great, and a couple of destroyers ... AAAA-A-AA! I already have got up the mood has risen! We would conduct exercises near the South Kuril Islands under the auspices of the fight against piracy at sea ... wassat And they would say, they say, no aggression against Japan request , all just for the sake of "Peace - Peace"! BUT ... LATE ALREADY! It is more expensive to remodel, an international treaty has been signed, the ship is "spoiled" with foreign (Chinese) bricks ... everything is awful ... crying

              In general, it seems to me that the Senkaku Islands appeared from under the water on the instructions of the CIA in order to bring instability to this region (JOKE!). wassat
              1. illarion
                illarion 12 January 2013 14: 34 New
                0
                the Chinese would fit the crowd for a while, tear the islands off and there is no problem)))
            3. GSH-18
              GSH-18 12 January 2013 17: 43 New
              -1
              Quote: nycsson
              I do not agree! Japan has long had full-fledged aircraft! Including a powerful fleet!

              laughing Do not make me laugh. Even if the Chinese leave all their ships in ports. Then even the Chinese army swims them by hand! SIZE MATTERS!
              1. Gemar
                Gemar 12 January 2013 20: 31 New
                +1
                Quote: GSH-18
                Then even the Chinese army swims them by hand!

                laughing
                While working in the city of Suifenhe, he observed the teachings of the Chinese border guards:
                They, in a slender group (incidentally, without weapons), unfastened their socks, put them in large bags, puffed these bags ... and, holding onto them, sailed across the lake!
                The picture was still the same ... As it turned out, no one was able to swim (my dog ​​has less spray laughing ) ...
                My friends and I joked - they say, you can just shoot packets good , then they will go to the bottom doomed.
                So swim the Chinese are not scared! laughing
                And, joking aside, cut off the "fuel" and both - and there is no war!
          3. 11 black
            11 black 12 January 2013 12: 08 New
            +3
            Quote: Guun
            I know what you mean, but they’ll break the Japanese in a short time.

            Don’t tell me - Japan has one of the most powerful fleets in the world (several times more powerful than the Chinese) - how the Chinese will attack the islands if they lose the battle over the ocean THIS FACT !!!
            1. Guun
              Guun 12 January 2013 16: 15 New
              0
              Infa 2005, six multipurpose nuclear and 68 diesel submarines (plus up to 30 in reserve), 26 missile destroyers and 47 missile frigates, 116 small anti-submarine ships, 85 missile and nine torpedo boats, 117 patrol (artillery) boats (excluding river and small patrol boats), a mine-layer, 69 sea and base minesweepers (28 in reserve), four radio-controlled raid minesweepers, 68 large and medium tank landing ships, a significant number of small landing ships and landing boats, 10 air-cushion landing boats, four landing troop transport, more than 900 aircraft and helicopters. 8 years have passed and you think the Chinese are standing still? Chinese are building anti-ship missiles using technologies received from the USSR and possibly from Russia.
            2. Onotollah
              Onotollah 12 January 2013 19: 02 New
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              But China has a better location, the islands are almost at hand, near the mainland. And Japan has a series of islands, supply problems may happen in the event of large-scale actions. And the Japanese economy is not on the rise, by any means. They can win a local conflict, but not a major war. Fuel and lubricants, again, there are no deposits of their own, everything is imported. How many reserves are there - will the fleet drive to the islands in one direction?
              In general, there is such an opinion.
            3. 13 January 2013 00: 16 New
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              Quote: 11 black
              Don’t tell me - Japan has one of the most powerful fleets in the world (several times more powerful than the Chinese) - how the Chinese will attack the islands if they lose the battle over the ocean THIS FACT !!!

              I agree.
              The United States will definitely help with intelligence, ammunition, etc. In my opinion, it’s too early for China to be so greyhound as if there were no false start ...
      2. Backbone
        Backbone 12 January 2013 15: 11 New
        0
        February 7 is the day of the northern territories, let's see, again the howl will continue for our Kuril Islands.
    2. sergo0000
      sergo0000 12 January 2013 16: 33 New
      0
      bask,
      Well no. They will pester. Both to China and to Russia !!
      They have such a mentality, unlike the Chinese. The lack of living space, initially predetermined their aggressive and aggressive features of their character. Simply an aggressor nation. They will always be slaughtered, and they will border on everyone with whom they will, until you arrange a second Hiroshima for them!
      And then for a while it is only possible to cool by this method, their samurai heads.
      Well and more. Do not forget about politicians who seek and earn political points on questions about territories.
      1. Gemar
        Gemar 12 January 2013 20: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: sergo0000
        They have such a mentality, unlike the Chinese.

        Their mentality is absolutely identical - both of them absolutely seriously dream of "World domination".
        Quote: sergo0000
        They will always be beaten and to all with whom they border

        This is also exactly about the PRC. Forgot where their Great Wall ends.
        1. sergo0000
          sergo0000 12 January 2013 21: 02 New
          -1
          Gemar,
          Quote: Gamar
          Their mentality is absolutely identical - both of them absolutely seriously dream of "World domination"

          I think you are wrong! Neither one nor the other nation, the question of world domination simply does not even exist! In the world in general, I think there is no country that now poses this question at this time!] Would survive in the alleged third world winked
          Quote: Gamar
          This is also exactly about the PRC. Forgot where their great wall ends

          Well, if you look at the Great Wall of China, you will see that the loopholes are looking just in the direction of China and therefore it is assumed that it was built by the northern peoples! That is, our Slav ancestors!
          1. Gemar
            Gemar 13 January 2013 03: 26 New
            0
            Quote: sergo0000
            I think you're wrong! Neither one nor the other nation, the question of world domination simply does not even stand!

            You shouldn't think so ... I lived in the PRC for a bunch of years. I know what I'm talking about. The Chinese in any newsstand sell magazines on the topic - "Why the US and the Russian Federation are extremely afraid of us", "Why arrogant Russians say that we have copied their technologies", "When we return our Siberian lands", etc. Ask anyone (even an educated Chinese) which country is the largest by area? 90% will say China. Do you know how the Chinese imagine the structure of the World? China is the center of the universe, and around the brazen barbarians. They even have five cardinal points, not four - north, south, west, east and ... middle. So, they call themselves the "Middle State", Zhongguo! The city in which I grew up (Vladivostok) they call in their own way - Haishenvai (Trepangov Bay).
            Quote: sergo0000
            we will see that the loopholes are looking just in the direction of China

            And then loopholes? And if they look in the direction of China, then this speaks of their peacefulness ??? No.
            Quote: sergo0000
            That is, our ancestors-Slavs!

            This is just the assumption of some scientists, which you perceived as the truth in the first instance!

            Believe the person versed in the Chinese, China is a country of cheers of patriots (in their case, jiayou patriots wink ), dreaming to take over the world.
  5. Tom230
    Tom230 12 January 2013 08: 31 New
    +5
    Yes, when they’ll already fight, we’ve already started to ponte. Ssykuny and those and others.
  6. Anton
    Anton 12 January 2013 09: 21 New
    +6
    I don’t even know which one of them is worrying about at the moment) On the one hand, give the Japanese plenty and it will start .. they are very eager for someone else. On the other hand, I do not consider China as a military threat to Russia ... they will not surpass us in military relations, despite the enormous human resources. Another thing is dangerous .. they’re not peaceful but peaceful expansion .. why fight if you can peacefully populate your favorite territories and then just attach them to yourself)
    So, neither of them likes something for me.
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 12 January 2013 11: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Anton
      So, neither of them likes something for me.


      Right.
      And so let them find out the relationship as long as possible, and with each other's noses breaking
  7. Byordovvv1
    Byordovvv1 12 January 2013 10: 11 New
    +1
    The United States does not need a strong China and it is obliged to push Japan with China. And as soon as Japan is weakened, as a result of military operations, the United States will take the side of Japan, its satellite, with the hands of NATO.
  8. taseka
    taseka 12 January 2013 10: 43 New
    0
    So, because of a piece of cocoa, world wars begin! NATO will rise, and the PRC will ask for the Russian Federation.
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 12 January 2013 11: 04 New
      0
      Quote: taseka
      NATO will rise, and China will ask for the Russian Federation

      NATa last time all the bullets ran out, the Angles on their boat on loan for fuel from Yapov, probably can come up. You don’t need to call these for a long time, just give a little money.
    2. Akim
      Akim 12 January 2013 11: 48 New
      +5
      taseka,
      One paddling pool also told me.
      What did you want blood for? Arrange to work in a slaughterhouse. The hunt will quickly interrupt.
  9. Nechai
    Nechai 12 January 2013 11: 13 New
    +9
    Quote: Guun
    the Japanese will be defeated in a short time is a fact

    The Yankees have practically fulfilled their plan - to rekindle the arc of instability, from the Atlantic coast of Africa to the Pacific Ocean. Now they are going to "curtail peacekeeping operations and the formation of democracy" and from the outside, looking with interest, they will throw up "poles of firewood" so that the fire does not even think to die out! And let everyone blurt out each other, and good Uncle Sam will help them all with pleasure and, naturally, with huge benefits ...
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 12 January 2013 11: 39 New
      0
      Quote: Nechai
      And let everyone play each other, and the good uncle Sam will help them all with pleasure and naturally of enormous benefit ...

      Valery, you’re right. Especially about not free aid, one directly, the other through someone, as an option through Russia, maybe even this.
    2. lechatormosis
      lechatormosis 12 January 2013 11: 45 New
      0
      For this, world wars are being fired - the BILDERBEG CLUB really hopes that the peoples of the WORLD WILL BEGIN TO DESTROY OTHER FRIENDS.
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 12 January 2013 17: 55 New
      0
      Quote: Nechai
      The Yankees have practically fulfilled their plan - to rekindle the arc of instability, from the Atlantic coast of Africa to the Pacific Ocean. Now they are going to "curtail peacekeeping operations and the formation of democracy" and from the outside, looking with interest, they will throw up "poles of firewood" so that the fire does not even think to die out! And let everyone blurt out each other, and good Uncle Sam will help them all with pleasure and, naturally, with huge benefits ...

      This is a normal practice of American foreign policy. While the two are fighting, Uncle Sam is chopping loot. Nothing personal, just business am ... In the second world, they did not rise sickly!
  10. Volozhanin
    Volozhanin 12 January 2013 13: 14 New
    0
    I think that the Japs are piling on the Chinasians as always. AND EVEN WITHOUT HELP Amers! I’m definitely for them, the maximum that they can hit us on the islands is against us, and then the gut is thin. But China has long bothered me very much, we have them in Ekb before .... I imagine what is going on in the Far East? Those who advocate for the Chinese in the forum, think ... It’s scary to imagine what will happen if they the crowd will trample on us. Let’s hold, if for garlic, without nuclear weapons?
    1. Akim
      Akim 12 January 2013 13: 58 New
      +1
      If there is, God forbid, a border conflict, then there is a controversial question of who piles on whom. The Japanese have a more powerful fleet. they have a large number of Osuma-class UDCs (like the Mistral) and Hyuga-class attack helicopter carriers. But the Chinese have stronger aviation and their marines are better trained.
      PS Although I think it is subjective, because I do not understand Japanese.
      1. MstislavHrabr
        MstislavHrabr 12 January 2013 18: 52 New
        0
        The islands are close enough to Taiwan. In the event of a border conflict, coastal forces may also participate ... Perhaps this will also be the reason for the reunification of the two states ... Who will benefit from this ?!
        1. Akim
          Akim 12 January 2013 21: 05 New
          0
          Quote: MstislavHrabr
          The islands are close enough to Taiwan.

          The attack on Formosa will lead to a third world war ...
    2. Onotollah
      Onotollah 12 January 2013 19: 11 New
      0
      I am slightly east of you, but in our city there are many times more Tajiks, Kyrgyz, than Chinese.
      Purely IMHO - China is easier to capture, for example, Mongolia than Russia. Is there a total population of about 4 million, what are they against 1.3 billion Chinese?
      1. wax
        wax 13 January 2013 00: 57 New
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        By the way, Mongolia should join the Customs Union.
  11. dimon-media
    dimon-media 12 January 2013 13: 38 New
    +1
    The Yaps have the same manic desire to take possession of all the islands in the nearby seas. Soon they will take off in the Arctic, declare their sovereignty on the islands of Svalbard and Novaya Zemlya. So the case and to the Caribbean archipelago will reach Cuba. Straight nationwide psychosis with these islands. As my boss said, is Ho-Ho not Ho-Ho? It’s time to calm down these unbalanced kamikaze. You’ve completely lost the scent ... island maniacs .. Iturup and Sikaku with Jeroshima and Antarctica with Nagasaka will be for you. Frozen.
    1. nokki
      nokki 12 January 2013 15: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: dimon-media
      and Ho-Ho is not Ho-Ho?


      My boss said a little differently: "Huhu is not Hoho?" And what about the "island complex" - you noticed it right!
  12. Cartoon
    12 January 2013 14: 13 New
    +2
    Whatever it is, we will not benefit from it. Russia is too big a player - any world rivalry is not high for her, especially when she is not yet ready for them. The reform of the military-industrial complex and the army is in full swing, the economy is still on the raw material needle, and so far it has not been possible to get off it.
    1. Sergh
      Sergh 12 January 2013 15: 10 New
      0
      Quote: Cartoon
      there will be no benefit to us from this.

      From a foreign war, to a third party is just the very good! You remember America in the Second World War, she fattened in the war, helping for denyushki and this and that. It will give you money for a long time, then technology, and the third front will wait until the parties take themselves to the extreme.
      Due to the alien war, they make crazy money. Read about it at your leisure.
  13. slava.iwasenko
    slava.iwasenko 12 January 2013 14: 47 New
    -1
    Something the samurai began to raise their heads, not to remind them of 1945.
    1. dimon-media
      dimon-media 12 January 2013 14: 59 New
      -1
      Well, yes, and then we will share Okinawa, Honshu, Hokkaido and Kyu-Shu equally with China .. what other islands do they have there? Then relocate them to some sort of islands in the Ross Sea)))
  14. Anton
    Anton 12 January 2013 15: 55 New
    +1
    India and Pakistan strengthen military presence in Kashmir
    NEW DELHI, Jan 12 - RIA Novosti, Alexander Nevara. India and Pakistan are actively increasing their military presence on the control line in Jammu and Kashmir after a series of incidents, the Pakistani army canceled all vacations of the soldiers stationed there, the Indian television channel Zee News reported on Saturday, citing unnamed sources.
    The Indian military, in particular, is actively using drones in the confrontation area. According to the sources of the channel, on Friday the Pakistani military opened fire on eight Indian posts on the control line. Pakistan also stopped all border trade in the conflict zone. On January XNUMX, an attack was made on an Indian checkpoint in the Mendhar sector in Jammu and Kashmir, and two killed Indian soldiers were cut off.

    Both countries possess nuclear weapons. by the way. Well, here I am entirely on the side of India. Moreover, the Hindus are a good counterweight to China. The population is exactly equivalent)
    1. Guun
      Guun 12 January 2013 16: 26 New
      0
      Hmm, there is a war in Mali, Pakistan and India can start it, China and Japan are struggling, almost recently they started.
  15. GSH-18
    GSH-18 12 January 2013 16: 28 New
    0
    Quote: "China refuses to accept Japan's protest in connection with the next call of PRC patrol ships into the zone of disputed islands Diaoyu / Senkaku / in the East China Sea. This is stated in a statement released today by the Chinese Foreign Ministry. "

    The Japanese will get away with all the neighbors so soon. They see their islands everywhere! wassat
  16. suharev-52
    suharev-52 12 January 2013 16: 52 New
    +4
    No, with this "what" business will not end in peace. Let's stay neutral. We need to clean up our own affairs, and eliminate the fifth column. And let them argue, that's their business. Sincerely.
  17. sergo0000
    sergo0000 12 January 2013 18: 34 New
    0
    To defend the disputed Senkaku Islands, the Japanese authorities decided to create a special naval unit, which will be part of the regular army. It is planned to introduce 12 ships and 400 fighters into the grouping for the defense of the islands. In addition, already this year Japan plans to buy six more patrol ships with a displacement of one thousand tons each, and two existing large guard patrols are also being modernized. Recall that the Senkaku Islands were included in Japanese territory as far back as 1895, but China does not agree with this and claims that the islands were taken by force during the war between China and Japan and therefore must be returned.
  18. Akim
    Akim 14 January 2013 10: 43 New
    0
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