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"Aurora" headed for the maximum task

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The Ministry of Defense, in cooperation with the governor of St. Petersburg, is working on the issue of maintaining the first-class cruiser Aurora in the status of ship No. 1 of the Naval fleet. The maximum task is to put Aurora on the move, the minimum task is to overhaul the ship. According to Fontanka, the prospects of the legendary symbol were discussed with Minister Sergei Shoigu, who is in St. Petersburg today, with the mayor Georgy Poltavchenko.




As reported to Fontanka by the chairman of the St. Petersburg Submariners' Club, Igor Kurdin, today, on January 11, he spoke with the head of St. Petersburg Georgy Poltavchenko. According to him, in the near future an interdepartmental working group will be created in St. Petersburg, which will include representatives of the Ministry of Defense, the governor, the Northern Design Bureau, and the enterprises of the shipbuilding complex.

The working group will have to thoroughly study the technical condition of the oldest warship of Russia and work out proposals for its repair and further maintenance.

The developed proposals will form the basis of a comprehensive program to preserve the Aurora as a symbol of the heroic traditions of the Russian fleet for future generations of Russians.

One of the main issues put forward for discussion by the working group will be the study of the possibility of a full restoration of the technical condition of the ship, after which the cruiser Aurora will be able to independently sail.

In this case, Russia will become the second in the world owner of a running historical warship after the United States, which contain the 19th-century Constitution frigate in combat.

The same age as the Aurora and in the past its opponent in the Tsushima battle, the Japanese battleship Mikasa is today dug in the ground in the port of Yokosuka and is a maritime museum.

The Aurora is currently afloat, moored off Petrogradskaya Embankment of St. Petersburg, but needs major repairs, since more than 25 years have passed since the last ship overhaul, the cruiser has worn outboard fittings and auxiliary mechanisms.

During the overhaul of the ship, which took place at the end of 1980-ies at the plant. Zhdanov (now - Severnaya Verf LLC), the engine and boiler systems were dismantled from the cruiser, the auxiliary steam engines were replaced with diesel units. In addition, the underwater part of the ship hull was replaced, but the keel, frames and engine rooms were retained. Thus, the restoration of the Aurora to the state of a full ship is technically possible.

It should be noted that Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu was in Petersburg on a working visit, and the Aurora had been carefully prepared the night before, expecting the commander-in-chief to visit the cruiser. However, the schedule of the minister’s visit was so tight that he did not have the opportunity to call on Petrogradskaya Embankment. Nevertheless, according to the Fontanka, Shoigu discussed with the governor of St. Petersburg the prospects for the future fate of the ship.

Recall on the eve of "Fontanka" wrote about the past on Thursday, 10 in January, at the "Aurora" meeting of high-ranking officers from the central apparatus of the Ministry of Defense. The generals discussed the technical condition of the ship. According to experts, there are three possible options for the further fate of today's museum piece. The first is the return to the cruiser of a military crew and giving it the status it had until the 2010 of the year, that is, half of the warship - half of the branch of the Central Naval Museum.

The second way to keep the symbol of revolution afloat was once laid out by veterans of the fleet in a letter addressed to Governor Georgy Poltavchenko: to give the status of a naval auxiliary fleet vessel, commission the operation to a qualified civilian crew and select the naval company of honor guard to comply with naval rituals.

The third option is the most expensive, but, according to sources, "Fontanka", which has very real prospects. These include putting the ship into a repair dock, installing engines, propellers and navigation equipment, and returning the Aurora to the fleet as a training ship for Nakhimov and cadets of marine universities. According to experts, the current state of the cruiser allows you to put it on the course during 2 - 3 years by the forces of the United Shipbuilding Corporation.

Information:

Recall that the military crew left the cruiser 1-rank "Aurora" 1 December 2010 of the year. This decision was made after an illegal party of VIPs was held aboard the Aurora on the personal instructions of the commander-in-chief of the Navy, Vladimir Vysotsky. After the outbreak of scandal, the admiral reprimanded the officers who carried out his order, and the Aurora itself suffered the main punishment, which they decided to withdraw from the Navy. In October 2011, activists of the anaron movement went aboard the ship under the guise of tourists, climbed onto the mast and unrolled the Jolly Roger flag. The audit showed that with the departure of the military crew, in fact, the Aurora was left defenseless against vandals and hooligans. Then, a detachment of seconded sailors was formed from among the LenVBB servicemen, who began to carry out round-the-clock duty. In December 2010, the Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov signed a document, according to which the ship of military glory was transferred to the status of a full-fledged museum object, and the “crew” should be staffed from civilian personnel. The deadline for excluding the Aurora from the payroll of the Russian Navy was set before August 1 2012. October 16 2012, the cruiser left the last sailor.
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  1. Armata
    Armata 12 January 2013 07: 18 New
    -2
    Aurora is valuable as a museum. But why it is unclear to put it on the move. What money have nowhere else to go?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 January 2013 07: 20 New
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      Quote: Mechanic
      But why it is unclear to put it on the move

      We decided to replenish the fleet with a new military unit laughing
      1. cth; fyn
        cth; fyn 12 January 2013 07: 26 New
        12
        Why not? The Navy has a Sedov sailboat.
        1. Armata
          Armata 12 January 2013 07: 43 New
          +7
          Quote: cth; fyn
          The Navy has a Sedov sailboat.
          Well, there is also Kruzenshtern. Only here they are just practicing cadets. But what to do with Aurora on the go?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 January 2013 07: 49 New
            0
            Quote: Mechanic
            But what to do with Aurora on the go?

            We will send to Syria laughing
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 12 January 2013 08: 55 New
              15
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: Mechanic
              But what to do with Aurora on the go?

              We will send to Syria


              better in the states. How the capitol cracks and, as usual in history, the Baltic sailors will storm.
              1. Armata
                Armata 12 January 2013 09: 04 New
                0
                Quote: vorobey
                better in the states. How the capitol cracks and, as usual in history, the Baltic sailors will storm.
                Hey. You are angry Sanya. What do you want so there from the volley of the most powerful ship also 70 years of devastation reigned?
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 12 January 2013 09: 09 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  You are angry, Sanya

                  Not a word, by its own capitol from the cannon. Although he had stockpiled parquet there laughing
                2. vorobey
                  vorobey 12 January 2013 09: 09 New
                  +6
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  70 years of ruin reigned


                  we will build and direct socialism to them in a brighter future.
                  otherwise they lost their scent from their democracy.
                3. Nick
                  Nick 12 January 2013 10: 13 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  What do you want so there from the volley of the most powerful ship also 70 years of devastation reigned?

                  You are greatly mistaken regarding the period of devastation. By 1925, the industry and agriculture of Soviet Russia reached the pre-war level and exceeded it.
                4. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 12 January 2013 10: 54 New
                  0
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  What do you want so there from the volley of the most powerful ship also 70 years of devastation reigned?

                  Zhenya, you just look how the revolutionaries began to minus you. Do not like the Leninists such attacks in the holy laughing
                  1. Armata
                    Armata 12 January 2013 10: 59 New
                    0
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Zhenya, you just look how the revolutionaries began to minus you. Do not like the Leninists such attacks in the holy
                    Sanya to me on a drum. Kamaz has already been blown up, the meadow is covered. Soon I will leave you for a two-day binge. laughing
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 12 January 2013 11: 09 New
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                      Quote: Mechanic
                      Kamaz has already been blown up, the meadow is covered. Soon I will leave you for a two-day binge.

                      I see several boxes are already missing. I think two days do not get off. Write two months, it will be more accurate laughing By the way there the cops arrived, sweep the tracks bully
                      1. Armata
                        Armata 12 January 2013 11: 23 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        By the way there the cops arrived, sweep the tracks
                        This is our guard. so it's fearless. laughing But after the first glass is already normal, the heat has become.
                5. ochakow703
                  ochakow703 12 January 2013 15: 48 New
                  +8
                  What to fool around. Normal warship with a beautiful history. When will we get rid of this sore, vulgarize everything that was before us. You might think the mountains themselves have turned so that the state and the fleet flourish.
              2. Atlon
                Atlon 12 January 2013 09: 27 New
                +8
                Quote: vorobey
                better in the states. How the capitol cracks and, as usual in history, the Baltic sailors will storm.

                Aurora, dear, is famous not only for a single shot in the winter ...

                The Aurora is a cruiser of the Baltic Fleet. "Aurora", ship No. 1 of the Soviet Navy, a monument to the October Revolution, a cruiser of the 1st rank of the Baltic Fleet, whose team actively participated in the October Revolution. Laid down in 1897 at the New Admiralty plant (the author of the project is engineer K. M. Tokarevsky), launched on April 28, 1900 (a memorial plaque is on the wall of the admiralty union boathouse). Named in honor of the frigate "Aurora", heroically defending Petropavlovsk-on-Kamchatka during the Crimean War of 1853-56. Aurora was commissioned in 1903. Displacement of 6731 tons (in 1917 - 7600 tons), length 126,8 m, width 16,8 m, draft 6,5 m, speed 20 knots (37,2 km / h), cruising range at full speed 1440 miles. Armament (1903): 8 152 mm guns, 24 - 75 mm guns, 2 landing guns, 3 torpedo tubes. Deck armor 38-64 mm (sides are not armored). Team 570 people. During the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-05, Aurora as part of the second Pacific squadron participated in the Tsushima battle (commander 1st-Class Captain E. R. Egoriev died), escaping death, broke through to the city of Manila (Philippine Islands), where she was interned by the American authorities until the end of the war. In 1906, the Aurora returned to Kronstadt, after repair, the training ship of the Naval Cadet Corps. In 1910, revolutionary circles (social democrats, Socialist-Revolutionaries, anarchists) arose on Aurora. In World War I, the Aurora carried out patrol service in the Baltic Sea and supported Russian troops with artillery fire. Since November 1, the Aurora was undergoing major repairs at the wall of the Admiralty, then the Franco-Russian factory. Armament (1916): 1917 14-mm guns (six-inch), 152 machine guns, 2 min (later the armament was changed several times).
                In October 1917, the Provisional Government tried to withdraw the Aurora from Petrograd. On October 22 (November 4), the Ship Committee, in agreement with the Central Balt, decided not to comply with the orders of the Provisional Government. On the afternoon of October 24 (November 6), Belyshev was appointed to the Aurora as the commissar of the PWRC, by order of which at 3 a.m. On the night of October 30 (November 25), Aurora approached the Nikolaevsky Bridge, which had been divorced by the junkers. Ship electricians, led by D.I. Vashchuk, closed parts of the bridge, ensuring the passage of Red Guard units from Vasilyevsky Island to the center of Petrograd (in memory of this event, a memorial stele was erected on Red Fleet embankment, 7, in front of house 1939). On the morning of October 44, the Aurora radio station transmitted the appeal of the air-defense missile system “To the citizens of Russia!” Written by V. I. Lenin. On the same day at 25 h. 21 min. according to a symbol from the Peter and Paul Fortress, the commander of the tank (bow) gun E.P. Ognev, with an idle shot, gave a signal to storm the Winter Palace, in which the landing from the Aurora (commander A. S. Nevolin) also took part.
                1. Atlon
                  Atlon 12 January 2013 09: 28 New
                  +6
                  Since 1918 "Aurora" in reserve and on conservation in the port of Petrograd, then in Kronstadt; guns "Aurora" were removed, they armed vessels of the Volga military flotilla. In 1922, the restoration of the Aurora began; 130-mm main-caliber guns were installed. On February 23, 1923, the Aurora was the training ship of the Baltic Fleet, the chief of the Aurora was the Central Executive Committee of the USSR. In 1924, the Aurora and the training ship Komsomolets were the first of the Soviet Navy to sail overseas around Scandinavia. In 1927, Aurora was awarded the Order of the Red Banner for revolutionary merit, the first to raise the Order of the Navy in the Soviet Navy. During the Soviet-Finnish war, guns "Aurora" armed gunboats (later guns returned to the "Aurora"). Since 1940, the Aurora has been the flagship of the submarine brigade in Oranienbaum, where it met the beginning of World War II and the entire period of Leningrad defense was located. In July 1941 9 guns of the main caliber (130 mm) were removed from the Aurora and installed at the Duderhof Heights (the so-called Aurora battery), 1 130 mm gun on the Baltiets armored train, small-caliber guns on the ships of the Peipsi military flotillas. September 30, 1941 "Aurora" received a hole below the waterline and was put on the ground (in the flooded state was 950 days). By the end of 1941, the Aurora crew had about 20 people, weapons: 2 guns and an anti-aircraft machine gun (commander - Senior Lieutenant P. S. Grishin). “Aurora” was subjected to systematic shelling and bombing (by January 1944 received more than 1500 holes), but continued to fight.
                  On June 20, 1944, the Aurora was lifted from the ground and towed to Leningrad for major repairs, during which the armament available on the ship was restored in 1917 (in Lomonosov near the mooring wall of the harbor - a monument with the inscription: “Here in 1941-1944 there was a legendary cruiser "Aurora""). On November 17, 1948, the cruiser was installed as a monument to the October Revolution near the Petrograd embankment of Bolshaya Nevka opposite the Nakhimov Naval School (in 1948-61 its training base, then museum). Since 1957, "Aurora" - a branch of the Central Naval Museum. In 1968, the cruiser was awarded the Order of the October Revolution. In 1976, a memorial sign “Eternal Parking” (architect V. A. Petrov) was installed on the embankment near Aurora. On August 18, 1984, the Aurora was put into the boathouse of a shipyard for restoration in order to return the ship to its historical and architectural appearance, which it had in 1917. While under repair, the Aurora remained a military unit of the Navy. Over 30 industrial enterprises and scientific organizations of Leningrad took part in the restoration of Aurora. The bottom of the river in the area of ​​the Aurora parking lot is deepened, a passenger embankment has been built. April 18, 1987 "Aurora" was launched for completion afloat. August 16, 1987 "Aurora" solemnly towed to the place of eternal parking. The new exposition of the ship's museum contains over 500 genuine documents, objects, photographs covering the history of the Great October Revolution, the participation of the Auroraites and the Aurora in three Russian revolutions and four wars. In particular, a radio station is presented that broadcast Lenin's appeal "To the citizens of Russia!" In 1987-90, about 2 million people visited the Aurora, including about 0,5 million foreign guests from more than 120 countries.
                  1. Yoshkin Kot
                    Yoshkin Kot 12 January 2013 09: 52 New
                    0
                    Ie from the historical "Aurora" there were horns and legs ????
                  2. Narkom
                    Narkom 12 January 2013 10: 29 New
                    +2
                    Most likely, a single volley is the same legend as the assault that we see in the film "Taking the Winter", 6 inches is not a joke ....
              3. Papakiko
                Papakiko 12 January 2013 12: 14 New
                0
                Almost a topic, but a joy!

                URGENT-URGENT-URGENT
                See Google Maps
                Everett. PC. Washington. water area "Puget Sound" (Poussen Sound)
                On a scale of 20 meters.
                At Berth there is a half-flooded No. 72 "Abraham Lincoln"

                ps / relevance is not known.

                There's a December shot, Norfolk.
                http://nosikot.livejournal.com/904164.html
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 12 January 2013 13: 40 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Papakiko

                  Almost a topic, but a joy!

                  This is the tenth time you’ve laid out this comment, it’s half-flooded and to hell with it, let it drown. Or the crew of the ship asks for your help, well, it won’t.
              4. zanoza
                zanoza 12 January 2013 12: 35 New
                +1
                . How long for capitol... There will be nothing to groan because these types of ammunition are already "withered" у us together with warehouses .... what
              5. scrack
                scrack 12 January 2013 23: 50 New
                0
                Interestingly, in the basement of the capitol there is alcohol, as in the Winter in 17?
          2. cth; fyn
            cth; fyn 12 January 2013 11: 31 New
            +1
            Well, there is also Kruzenshtern. Only here they are just practicing cadets. But what to do with Aurora on the go?

            There is a hidden answer in your question:
            they just practice cadets
            1. Armata
              Armata 12 January 2013 11: 42 New
              +1
              Quote: cth; fyn
              There is a hidden answer in your question:
              Dialogue will sound classically.
              - Where did you go?
              -On Aurora.
              -And who on the staffing table?
              -Kochegar.
              Honestly, I would refuse such an honor.
              1. olegyurjewitch
                olegyurjewitch 12 January 2013 13: 42 New
                +7
                Quote: Mechanic
                -And who on the staffing table?
                -Kochegar.
                Honestly, I would refuse such an honor.

                And what's the matter? The Russian Navy has not only super modern ships, there are auxiliary vessels, such as waste collectors, and sailors serve on them, and not for any sins. Coastal boiler rooms, sailors also serve there , boiler engineers, in fact stokers. Being a fireman, not only throwing coal into a furnace with a shovel, it’s also knowledge of the heating system, pumps, evaporators, desalination plants, valves, repairs, etc., etc., etc., this is a warhead-5, without "stokers "any ship, useless trough.
                1. Armata
                  Armata 12 January 2013 16: 27 New
                  +1
                  Quote: olegyurjewitch
                  And what's the matter? The Russian Navy has not only super modern ships, there are auxiliary vessels, such as waste collectors, and sailors serve on them, and not for any sins. Coastal boiler rooms, sailors also serve there , boiler engineers, in fact stokers. Being a fireman, not only throwing coal into a furnace with a shovel, it’s also knowledge of the heating system, pumps, evaporators, desalination plants, valves, repairs, etc., etc., etc., this is a warhead-5, without "stokers "any ship, useless trough.
                  Are there a lot of them on coal?
                  1. sniper
                    sniper 12 January 2013 17: 50 New
                    0
                    Quote: Mechanic
                    Are there a lot of them on coal?

                    Good day ! To restore the ship in its historical form will have to sweat pretty
                    During the overhaul of the ship, which took place at the end of 1980-ies at the plant. Zhdanov (now - Severnaya Verf LLC), the engine and boiler systems were dismantled from the cruiser, the auxiliary steam engines were replaced with diesel units. In addition, the underwater part of the ship hull was replaced, but the keel, frames and engine rooms were retained. Thus, the restoration of the Aurora to the state of a full ship is technically possible.

                    When installing other machines, this will be an antique-styled remake, and even then, back in 70-80, the info slipped that it was not Aurora, but its sistership, even the fragments of the real Aurora were cited, if I remember correctly, the material was in the magazine of Kater and Yachts ... So, in my opinion, it’s better to build a new ship and call it Aurora, than put this exhibit on the move .... Like, the continuation of glorious traditions, but maintaining order is a sacred thing, this is our story .. .
              2. Misantrop
                Misantrop 12 January 2013 13: 45 New
                +6
                Quote: Mechanic
                Honestly, I would refuse such an honor.
                But not me. The practice took place in the hold-boiler group of the cruiser "Admiral Ushakov" pr 68B. I do not consider this time wasted, especially since then we got into real firing with all types of weapons (at the Chauda metro range). A cadet is by no means a sailor; during the course of practice, it wasn’t possible to visit the commander’s cabin, everything else was covered laughing
                1. Armata
                  Armata 12 January 2013 16: 31 New
                  0
                  3 of the year in the boiler group 088 "Ustinov" hydraulics. Only there, shovels did not have to throw coal into the furnaces. But if you restore "Aurora" in its original form, then there will have to 10-15 cadets send coal to be thrown into 3 shifts. And if you convert it to fuel oil then it is already her historical ship, and so purely a parody.
          3. olegyurjewitch
            olegyurjewitch 12 January 2013 11: 55 New
            +2
            Quote: Mechanic
            But what to do with Aurora on the go?

            Disturb future sailors. Simulators on the shore are one thing, and the real thing, albeit an old ship, is another thing, and the basics of naval practice will never become obsolete.
          4. Garrin
            Garrin 12 January 2013 15: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: Mechanic
            . But what to do with Aurora on the go?

            Well, put the same cadets to the fireboxes. Get to know the service.
            1. Armata
              Armata 12 January 2013 16: 33 New
              0
              Quote: Garrin
              Well, put the same cadets to the fireboxes. Get to know the service
              Yes, it will be so. Only it is more useful for them to study new equipment than to throw a coal with a shovel.
              1. Garrin
                Garrin 12 January 2013 16: 39 New
                +2
                Quote: Mechanic
                Yes, it will be so. Only it is more useful for them to study new equipment than to throw a coal with a shovel.

                Well, why so? In the first year they learn the principle of operation of steam engines, what is bad? Moreover, the school now does not clearly explain it.
              2. Misantrop
                Misantrop 12 January 2013 16: 46 New
                +6
                Quote: Mechanic
                Only it is more useful for them to study new equipment than to throw a coal with a shovel.

                And again I do not agree. It is more useful to find out if not everything from a future specialty, then at least as much as possible. Do not produce stupid monkeys using the US method, who can pull one pen when a single light comes on. It is cheaper and faster, but when two are caught, the monkey is already jammed. That was brilliantly demonstrated by the operators of the Fukushima nuclear power plant, who blew up 4 operating reactors of their nuclear power plant with an almost daily interval according to the SAME SCENARIO. This is no longer a rake, this is already a harvester ... wassat

                And we were given not only theory, but also practice up to underwater welding and blacksmithing at junior courses. And not one hundred times to graduates at sea, it subsequently saved their lives (and ships too)
                1. Armata
                  Armata 12 January 2013 16: 56 New
                  0
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  It is more useful to find out if not everything from a future specialty, then at least as much as possible. Do not produce stupid monkeys using the US method, who can pull one pen when a single light comes on. It is cheaper and faster, but when two are caught, the monkey is already jammed. That was brilliantly demonstrated by the operators of the Fukushima nuclear power plant, who blew up the 4 operating reactors of their nuclear power plant with an almost daily interval FOR THE SAME SCENARIO. It’s not a rake anymore, it’s already a harvester ..

                  I also studied and even defended a Ph.D. on high pressure hydraulics. I believe that this ship can only stand on a joke and be a museum and a symbol of Peter. No more. No need to spend our money on resuscitation of the museum, on restoration, yes, only for, but resuscitating it is a utopia (although I understand the idealists very well).
                  1. Misantrop
                    Misantrop 12 January 2013 17: 46 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Mechanic
                    I also studied and even defended a candidate

                    Well then, why should I tell you that any complex technical product has a lot of interesting technical solutions, most often discarded and forgotten during the transition to new models. And for future engineers, the opportunity to do something with their own hands to feel the engineering solutions of the past is not only not harmful, but extremely useful. To once again not "reinvent the wheel". What can a current student at a technical university say about a Stirling machine? Maximum - a couple of phrases. And when you try to design the mover of a modern submarine on its basis, you have to do everything completely "from scratch"
                    1. Garrin
                      Garrin 12 January 2013 17: 54 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      And for future engineers, the opportunity to do something with their own hands to feel the engineering solutions of the past is not only not harmful, but extremely useful.

                      Definitely ++++++
                2. bistrov.
                  bistrov. 12 January 2013 23: 26 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  And we were given not only theory, but also practice up to underwater welding and blacksmithing at junior courses

                  I want to comment on your idea, for example, what I learned at school at labor lessons: handling carpentry tools, almost at a professional level, stools were made at the lessons, handling all kinds of metalwork tools, each made a compass gauge, riveting, blacksmithing, each made a scoop for ash, installation of the simplest electrical wiring, turning, I can carve out the simplest part, for example, a bolt and a nut, studying a tractor, a car, including driving skills. While in labor camps, and subsequently in construction teams, I studied the construction business quite well, from bricklaying to installing roofing and finishing work, etc. Therefore, I was always with you in any business and tool. What do modern schoolchildren teach in our schools? The poor, they are poor!
        2. Andrey58
          Andrey58 12 January 2013 12: 32 New
          +4
          Quote: cth; fyn
          Why not? The Navy has a Sedov sailboat.

          The Black Sea Fleet still serves as a rescue ship Komuna 1913 release. In the mid-2000s, she was rearmed with a new rescue robot. And so nothing walks. Well, they’re not building it now, it’s done honestly.

          To demolish an old house,
          Dynamite struck a thunder.
          The old house didn't explode
          Collapsed new around the corner!
          (Soviet ditty)
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 12 January 2013 13: 47 New
            +4
            This year she has an anniversary - 100 years in the fleet fellow
            1. Andrey58
              Andrey58 12 January 2013 17: 39 New
              +3
              With which we congratulate him drinks
          2. dmitreach
            dmitreach 12 January 2013 18: 08 New
            +4
            http://topwar.ru/21004-stareyshee-spasatelnoe-sudno-rossiyskogo-voenno-morskogo-
            flota-kommuna-otprazdnovalo-vekovoy-yubiley-so-dnya-zakladki.html
            Who cares about the article about the Commune.
        3. Havoc
          Havoc 13 January 2013 01: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: cth; fyn
          Why not? The Navy has a Sedov sailing ship

          Bark "Sedov" belongs to the Murmansk State Technical University, and do not confuse people with the Navy, but how many advantages they put and the infa is not correct.
          Sedov and Aurora are almost the same age.
        4. Havoc
          Havoc 13 January 2013 01: 45 New
          0
          Quote: cth; fyn
          Why not? The Navy has a Sedov sailboat

          Bark "Sedov" belongs to the Murmansk State Technical University, and not the Navy does not need to give incorrect information, Aurora and Sedov are almost the same age.
      2. bask
        bask 12 January 2013 07: 36 New
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        sewed to replenish the fleet with a new military unit

        ,, Aurora ,, should be with the Russian Navy .. And it should serve as a full-fledged crew ... As in the USSR. And the order to cancel the heart ...
      3. Starksa
        Starksa 12 January 2013 10: 54 New
        0
        To fight the pirates, it’s all right laughing
        1. donchepano
          donchepano 12 January 2013 12: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: StarkSA
          To fight the pirates, it’s all right



          Inside the Kremlin))
    2. Homo
      Homo 12 January 2013 07: 29 New
      +6
      Mechanic, to listen to you so to hammer all historical buildings in general with nails and let the boxes-dilapidate stand!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 January 2013 07: 42 New
        +1
        Quote: Homo

        Mechanic, to listen to you so generally hammer all historical buildings with nails and let the boxes-dilapidate!

        He didn’t say that, you suggest it.
      2. Armata
        Armata 12 January 2013 07: 45 New
        -2
        Quote: Homo
        Mechanic, to listen to you so generally hammer all historical buildings with nails and let the boxes-dilapidate!
        No, really, except for big words. How do you expect to apply Aurora? Why set it on the move?
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 12 January 2013 08: 58 New
          +3
          Quote: Mechanic
          No, really, except for big words


          she’s already a mechanic. The holds are filled with concrete. Riveted seams no longer hold anything. Much cheaper than the new Peter the Great to build than put her on the move.

          By the way, this aurora was not famous for anything other than the Tsushima battle, unlike the sailing colleague. But during the war years, it was necessary to give credit to the huge forces that pulled itself away from St. Petersburg as a combat unit. but mine was also the third Aurora - unfinished during the years of the defense of Leningrad. By that time, only the hull was ready to mine, but they did not have time to complete it. But her guns were also useful.
        2. SASCHAmIXEEW
          SASCHAmIXEEW 12 January 2013 10: 20 New
          +2
          Near the Nakhimov School, to teach young warlords to serve in the Navy!
    3. dmitrich
      dmitrich 12 January 2013 08: 16 New
      +5
      Of course it’s better to steal money.
      1. Armata
        Armata 12 January 2013 08: 23 New
        +4
        Quote: Dmitry
        Of course it’s better to steal money.
        What do you think, when restoring this ship, they will plunder less if desired?
        1. bask
          bask 12 January 2013 08: 34 New
          +6
          Quote: Mechanic
          Th. What do you think, when restoring this ship, they will plunder less if desired?

          They steal with a guarantee. But to do - to restore, Aurora, it is necessary ...
          1. Yoshkin Kot
            Yoshkin Kot 12 January 2013 09: 54 New
            +2
            if in historical form, then yes, and so, do not be high
    4. vorobey
      vorobey 12 January 2013 08: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Mechanic
      But why it is unclear to put it on the move


      If only she didn’t fly anymore.
    5. Atlon
      Atlon 12 January 2013 09: 08 New
      10
      Quote: Mechanic
      But why it is unclear to put it on the move.

      That's because we have got so many "dull", and the question is:
      What money have nowhere else to go?

      became the most important thing in our everyday life, that's why our children don’t know who won the Second World War, who Stalin is, and how Alexander Matrosov excelled ...
      Do not be ashamed of you for such statements?
      1. Armata
        Armata 12 January 2013 09: 22 New
        0
        Quote: Atlon
        Do not be ashamed of you for such statements?
        Not at all. We must read carefully the posts. I am for making a museum out of a cruiser. Nice museum. But here it is spent on the restoration of boilers, power plants, the installation of modern navigation (it will not go by compass), etc. A lot of money will go away. Right above Sparrow said that it’s cheaper to build a modern ship than to put this on the move.
        1. Atlon
          Atlon 12 January 2013 09: 37 New
          +9
          Quote: Mechanic
          Sparrow said that it’s cheaper to build a modern ship than to put this on the move.

          You know ... It’s cheaper to build a new high-rise building (and it’s more practical, and people have more “benefit”) than to restore old temples, restore architectural monuments, and indeed contain all these museums ... Are you talking about this?
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 12 January 2013 09: 48 New
            +1
            Quote: Atlon
            how to restore old temples, restore architectural monuments, and indeed contain all these museums ... Are you talking about this?


            Athlon, with all due respect to VM, does not need to offend the mechanic. There is practical meaning, but there are idealistic desires.

            It is like a monument to the leader of the world proletariat on Red Square.
            the communists do not give the body to bury, but the state pays for the maintenance (read you and me). And generally speaking. In novoros there is the same floating museum Cruiser Mikhail Kutuzov. He has both modern and newer weapons. Why not restore it?
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 12 January 2013 10: 53 New
              +4
              Quote: vorobey
              In novoros there is the same floating museum Cruiser Mikhail Kutuzov. He has both modern and newer weapons. Why not restore it?

              By the way, there would definitely be nothing wrong with that. Any of the sluts Serdyukov cost the country MUCH more expensive. And this "museum", if necessary, will be able to provide fire cover for the landing operation at the Black Sea-Sredizenomorsky theater as the three new ones fail (and are several times cheaper at the same time). Project 68B artillery cruisers were by no means a useless toy, and a speed of 30 knots would make it possible to stay even in a modern warrant
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 12 January 2013 11: 15 New
                +2
                Quote: vorobey
                The cruiser Mikhail Kutuzov. He has both modern and newer weapons. Why not restore it?

                Quote: Misantrop
                By the way, there would definitely be nothing wrong with that


                I even uttered a word that is bad?

                As for the Aurora, I have a purely subjective opinion about the advisability of putting it on course if the holds are already filled with concrete since the riveted hull gives a leak and does not hold loads.
            2. Atlon
              Atlon 12 January 2013 10: 57 New
              +7
              Quote: vorobey
              Athlon, with all due respect to VM, does not need to offend the mechanic. There is practical meaning, but there are idealistic desires.

              Is he so touchy? Or are you his personal lawyer ?! And what is actually offensive then? belay
              Now about practical meaning (as well as ideology).
              Too all of us have captured the "practical meaning." Today, without practical meaning (and for our beloved ones), "... and the pimple will not jump!" (film "Ah vaudeville, vaudeville!"). The question is, what was the practical meaning of the actions: Matrosova? Gastello? Stakhanova?
              But about the ideology, it’s really bad ... As they say on the network: "complete ahtung!". There is no ideology ... Well, no! Totally! For 70 years they have turned away from faith, and now they have taken away ideology ... And where does it come from: Matrosov, Gastello da Stakhanov? Yes, no where ... This is the problem ...
              In my humble IMHO, one powerful ideological action, sometimes there are frames of modern ships! And do not try to convince me, it will not work. I was born in the USSR, and lived there. And who writes about 70 years of devastation (there are such here), so it’s in the head of their devastation! And all because there is no ideology ... I’m not even trying to enumerate the achievements of the USSR, who needs to know and remember.
              1. vorobey
                vorobey 12 January 2013 11: 22 New
                +3
                Quote: Atlon
                Is he so touchy? Or are you his personal lawyer ?!


                answered a little higher. at misanthrope. trying to restore the course, we can bury it completely.

                Quote: Atlon
                And where does it come from: Matrosov, Gastello da Stakhanov?


                I also thought badly about our children. and where then come from?

                In Novokuznetsk, the guys who saved 15 people were awarded.
                http://topwar.ru/22904-skromnym-geroyam-vruchili-zasluzhennye-nagrady.html

                or recent minibus in Chelyab?

                continue?


                The mechanic did not say a word against Aurora. It is needed as part of our history. but to put her on the move - to kill her by turning into a modernized dummy.
                1. vorobey
                  vorobey 12 January 2013 11: 40 New
                  +2
                  (EXCERPT FROM ARTICLE)
                  An article by Victor Aristov in the East Bank newspaper (Kingisepp, 1996)
                  http://regionavt.spb.ru/articles/ruchji.shtml

                  Even before the reconstruction of the base in Streams began, the tugboats dragged a large massive hull of the old ship here. As it turned out, it was the original building of the legendary Aurora bookmarks of 1897.
                  According to the decree of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, the famous cruiser, which for several decades was considered ship number 1 of the Soviet Navy, was put to major repairs in Leningrad in August 1984. To the 70th anniversary of the Great October Revolution, the repair was completed. As a result, a completely new Aurora appeared and its old building remained.
                  The remake took a traditional parking place in Bolshaya Nevka near the Nakhimov School. And the real historical ship, or rather, its main part - the hull - was dragged out of sight. This fact, of course, is amazing, if you recall with what deification and awe in the Soviet era belonged to the October Revolution, the symbol of which for us was the Aurora.
                  Having stood for a year on the stream banks, the "native" hull of the cruiser was flooded near the pier under construction. They decided to use it as a protective wall against waves, for which it had to be filled with concrete slabs. But this business was not brought to an end.
                  “When she was dragged, whoever didn’t come here,” the watchman guarding the frozen construction sites of Ruchey base tell. - There were various bosses on the black Volga. Even from the KGB, they also asked: “Where is the Aurora here?”
                  Then everything calmed down. Now nobody remembers her. Rising slightly above the water, the flooded hull of the legendary ship lies a few meters from the pier perpendicular to the shore. The guests of the Soikinsky coast who come to the pier necessarily stop in front of it and begin to wonder what it is. Then one of the watchmen on duty leaves the wooden house next to him and, with pride, a man who keeps only one secret known to him, says:
                  “You know, but this is Aurora ... And when the amazed guests begin to come to their senses, he adds, pointing to the remnants of the blasted moorings visible along the coast:
                  - And here was the “Second Kronstadt”! ..


                  Avot and from the forum of divers
                  http://diveforum.spb.ru/viewtopic.php?t=1633

                  and here are some more interesting facts. chopping on?

                  http://geo.1september.ru/view_article.php?id=200700510

                  If we are for the truth this is one thing, if for a symbol then this is another.
                  1. dmitreach
                    dmitreach 12 January 2013 18: 30 New
                    +1
                    vorobey
                    * There is no clear evidence for the story of the Aurora Corps in Kingisepp District. The possibility that this is a regional myth should not be ruled out.
                    The quote is taken at the end of the article, according to the link you translated http://geo.1september.ru/view_article.php?id=200700510
                    1. Foamas
                      Foamas 12 January 2013 19: 08 New
                      0
                      Quote: dmitreach
                      what is a regional myth

                      no, not a myth
                      the link is a lot of photos of the repair of 1984-87, it can be seen that the lower part of the body is new, completely welded without rivets.
                      http://navsource.narod.ru/photos/02/019/
                      1. dmitreach
                        dmitreach 12 January 2013 19: 22 New
                        +1
                        The fact that part of the case was cut off, I know, as well as the fact that part of the metal went for souvenirs. The myth is not that "cut off", but the myth of the intended the location of the remains.
                        That is how myths are born. Below is a post (Lelikas) with a photo, signed: "Real Aurora." This is harm. The real Aurora is the one that stands at Petrovskaya Embankment.
              2. dmitreach
                dmitreach 12 January 2013 18: 22 New
                +6
                Atlon, MisantropI categorically share your point of view. There is an age in which the world is known through the eyes and hands. It is at this age that those ideals are laid that a person will follow throughout his life.
                One can argue until blue in the face of whether it was necessary to return the cadets on May 9, to Red Square, or to put Aurora on the move, but that is how patriots who are not betrayed for the Jam Bank and Pechenek Basket are brought up.

                It is necessary that cadets undergo practical training on such Ships. At their age, "see once" is better than reading 100 articles on the site.
            3. wolk71
              wolk71 12 January 2013 10: 57 New
              +5
              This is a monument to the history of the Great Russian State and let it be on the move, which will rot slowly. It is not a matter of money, but of the memory of the people about their history. And who and how interprets it (history) is on his conscience.
          2. Armata
            Armata 12 January 2013 10: 47 New
            +1
            Quote: Atlon
            You know ... It’s cheaper to build a new high-rise building (and it’s more practical, and people have more “benefit”) than to restore old temples, restore architectural monuments, and indeed contain all these museums ... Are you talking about this?
            I am not talking about that. . A little distracted from Aurora. What do you know about captain 1 of rank Shchastny Alexei Mikhailovich? Do you know what he did, on whose orders and for what he was shot, and where is his grave?
            I am for organizing a museum on Aurora that would be dedicated to people who truly deserve it. By and large, this Ship did not do anything historical except a shot, but its predecessors (the sailing frigate Aurora and the predecessor participating in the Tsushima battle) are worthy of memory. This is what we must remember. But I think that launching this ship and putting it on the move is obscene. Yes, and by and large, no one needs, by and large, except those who want to satisfy their ambitions and drive money there.
            1. dmitreach
              dmitreach 12 January 2013 18: 41 New
              +4
              The ship did nothing historical
              Mechanic, do not become like the communists, who, only in the fateful hour for their homeland, began to "reanimate" the historical characters of the era of "tsarism" (Nakhimov, John IV Vasilievich). This Ship of 70 years was an important part of the history of the country. Russia successor of the USSR. No matter how you and I relate to that controversial era.
        2. alex86
          alex86 12 January 2013 09: 55 New
          10
          Quote: Mechanic
          make a museum out of a cruiser. Good museum
          And I am for it. But a good museum from a cruiser is a museum where there are original (preferably) ship mechanisms (it would be better to restore boilers and steam engines), where you can see how it all works, where, in the end, you can go down to the screws and see how they rotate (it is clear that not on the move). I would give a lot (well, or expensive) for the opportunity to see a similar part of our history - which, no matter, say, military-technical. Nobody is stopping to go on combat duty, but the word "patriotism" is so often spoken on this site, accusing all those who disagree about its absence - and so, patriotism lies in the restoration and existence of Aurora. And at the same time, a very effective element of education, sorry for the bureaucratic term, youth. I would, in general, announce a fundraising for restoration, and it does not matter that we collect the “three pennies,” the fact is important.
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 12 January 2013 10: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: alex86
            where you can see how it all works, where, in the end, you can go down to the screws and see how they rotate (it is clear that not on the go).


            Here is an honest word - I would not advise doing this. all Peter will be in the original coal child. Hotel St. Petersburg will incur losses.
            And so in the morning - this was a joke from life.
            They started drinking from Pulkovo, festivals all day and midnight. They checked into the hotel after 0 hours, but in the morning he was beginning to see from the future, you open the window, and you get to the flag raising. Involuntarily, by virtue of habit, you sober up and accept a combat station.
          2. lelikas
            lelikas 12 January 2013 14: 20 New
            +1
            I'm afraid the sight of the rotating screws will be the last memory in my life.

            The ship itself must certainly be restored and preserved as a monument-a ship-museum.
            You can put it on the move and introduce it into the fleet - but this is the same as introducing the Tsar Cannon into the artillery unit and rolling it out for training.
            Just over the years of development and construction, we have lost almost everything that is possible from equipment, ships, aircraft, which should be preserved.
            Although very little remains of the original there - the main memory.

            Real Aurora.
            1. Armata
              Armata 12 January 2013 17: 36 New
              0
              Quote: lelikas
              You can put it on the move and introduce it into the fleet - but this is the same as introducing the Tsar Cannon into the artillery unit and rolling it out for training.
              Absolutely. Which I’m trying to prove to all of them.
            2. Garrin
              Garrin 12 January 2013 18: 08 New
              +3
              Quote: lelikas
              Real Aurora.

              Most likely, part of the case of the Real Aurora.
              1. lelikas
                lelikas 15 January 2013 01: 42 New
                0
                Namely part - everything else was stolen to metal.
        3. Misantrop
          Misantrop 12 January 2013 10: 46 New
          +5
          Quote: Mechanic
          But here it is spent on the restoration of boilers, power plants, the installation of modern navigation (it will not go by compass), etc. A lot of money will go away.
          Well, yes, a lot of money will go. But WHERE? Not at whores and presentations, but at a shipyard. Or is he now so "chocolate" that he does not need these crumbs? Let them restore technology, train specialists, train young people. IMHO, it’s better to let him practice on it than on those who tomorrow’s replenish the main combat structure. And those technologies, by the way, are worth it to restore them. Take a look, it’s almost the same age, and at the same time it’s not a museum at all. And at the same time, the condition is not as good as that of much younger ships from the Black Sea Fleet. "Volkhov" (now the "Commune") http://road-crimea.narod.ru/2009/oldship.htm
          But the Black Sea is saltier than the Neva water, and the temperature is higher. The corrosion rate should increase. However, the metal of those years is in good condition, and the riveted seams are kept.

          And they will steal anyway, even if nothing is restored. And just at this facility you won’t steal a lot, too close look
          1. alex86
            alex86 12 January 2013 16: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: Misantrop
            But WHERE? Not at whores and presentations, but at a shipyard
            This is very important.
          2. Vanya Ivanov
            Vanya Ivanov 12 January 2013 16: 42 New
            +2
            in Kronstadt, the monitor case .. either the "Latnik" or the "Sagittarius" is afloat. there will be aged "Volkhov" with "Aurora".
            I agree with the judgments of Misanthrope.
      2. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 12 January 2013 10: 25 New
        +2
        I agree with you 100%, ghouls from the people make "Ivanov’s relatives who don’t remember"
    6. Mitek
      Mitek 12 January 2013 09: 51 New
      +3
      Against the backdrop of major recovery measures, putting it on track is not so expensive. Of course, if the dismantling of the machines was not carried out. Yes, and there are enthusiasts of the sea. Sure cadets will be interesting. Itself would be happy to tinker. And in my opinion, it is definitely necessary to restore. A people who do not remember and honor their history is doomed. And Aurora is a legendary ship. He remembers the Russian-Japanese, and the 1st World War, and the Great Patriotic War. There is no need to even talk about the winter volley. No matter how we relate to the Revolution of 1917, it must be remembered. Not everything in our world is measured in money.
      PS men, it’s ridiculous to compare the historical value of Aurora and Mikhail Kutuzov. But I would also restore the second one and make a museum, if it is not already. (Forgive me, I’m not talking about Kutuzov.)
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 12 January 2013 10: 01 New
        +5
        What people are arguing about, because Aurora’s withdrawal from the fleet is the result of scandal !! When parties began to take place on the ship for oligarchs, with all the attendant attributes. And then it was issued in the Moscow Region .................... it’s good that they still didn’t dope to cut into metal!
        1. wax
          wax 12 January 2013 11: 47 New
          +1
          Correctly! There is Serdyukovism from the army and from the comments. Aurora be! Well done Shoigu. Russia stands on solid historical piles, and will stand until these piles undermine bugs (emphasis in the last word of choice).
      2. Armata
        Armata 12 January 2013 10: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: Mitek
        Against the backdrop of major recovery measures, putting it on track is not so expensive. Of course, if the dismantling of the machines was not carried out. Yes, and there are enthusiasts of the sea. Sure cadets will be interesting. Itself would be happy to tinker. And in my opinion, it is definitely necessary to restore.
        To do this, you must first drive it into a dry dock, check the integrity of the hull, bulkheads. Imagine for a moment that after the restoration of the machines they were started up and the body swam from vibration (it is riveted after all). So to make a museum of the history of the Russian Navy with real, unique instruments is the thing, but I would not want to breed pairs purely from a safety point of view.
      3. lelikas
        lelikas 12 January 2013 14: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: Mitek

        Against the backdrop of major recovery measures, putting it on track is not so expensive

        -it’s not so expensive - it’s insanely expensive - it’s about how to put a car on a caterpillar track - it’s like there is a case, but everything needs to be redone.
        The new case is not suitable for this, there is a completely different set and it will not withstand the installation of normal machines and shafts with screws - then you will have to make the third case and a fraction of a percent will remain from the original.
    7. FREGATENKAPITAN
      FREGATENKAPITAN 12 January 2013 10: 24 New
      +6
      This big money is equal to the cost of a couple of kilometers of the Moscow Ring Road .......
      .......... Imagine the arrival of Aurora on a visit to the *** anniversary of the Navy, for example, England or France ........
    8. starshina78
      starshina78 12 January 2013 16: 00 New
      +3
      And I believe that the Aurora should be put on the move. Attract sponsorship funds, apply to fleet veterans. Sponsors, our oligarchs, let them be thrown off, think you won’t buy another football, basketball or other team, all those who served in the Navy will not be shameful to chip in. You look and collect together with the state for the repair of the Aurora. But what a ship it will be! "Aurora" participated in the battle of Tsushima, is a ship from which a shot rang out to the whole world - the October Revolution, and the image of our state will rise. Not one Americans have a running historical ship.
      1. Armata
        Armata 12 January 2013 16: 42 New
        -1
        Quote: starshina78
        Sponsors, our oligarchs, let them be thrown off, think you won’t buy another football, basketball or other team, all those who served in the fleet will not be shameful to chip in.
        Well, if you take the same UMMC, the chanterelles are the best in Europe (the women's basketball team, they built a sports complex for them. By the way, children also play for free there), they built a palace for children where they develop table tennis, contain a motocross team, one of the best in Russia , contain a museum of military glory in V. Pyshma. What else and a ship that purely for the sake of your ambitions to put on the move ?. Maybe it’s better if they use this money to open another sports school for youth?
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 12 January 2013 18: 57 New
          +2
          And why then keep Kruzenshtern and Sedov? They are generally Sailboats! On the run...
  2. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 12 January 2013 07: 19 New
    +3
    modernize and introduce into the Navy laughing it’s a joke, but young officers go on a hike on a sailboat, and why not make Aurora a “floating academy” like Sedov? well, or at least simply that it would be nice to go through Petersburg during the parades.
    1. Armata
      Armata 12 January 2013 07: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: cth; fyn
      well, or at least just that, during parades, he would walk around St. Petersburg, it would be beautiful
      It is certainly beautiful. Just imagine how her boilers will be smoked. And this beauty will come out a little expensive.
      1. Fox
        Fox 12 January 2013 08: 49 New
        +5
        Quote: Mechanic
        And this beauty will come out a little expensive.

        and it’s cheap to transport snow from Siberia to Moscow ... for free, damn it.
      2. Foamas
        Foamas 12 January 2013 19: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: Mechanic
        Just imagine how her boilers will smoke

        boilers will not smoke smile
        speech in the article about the possibility set off and this is real, without mega costs
        new energy, new building - can withstand insertion of a compartment with a new small-sized single-shaft power unit, recalculate stability / add ballast if necessary, seaworthiness will certainly not be super, but for weekly trips to the Baltic with the practice of Nakhimovites in the summer it is quite.
        on the photo of the Aurora PEZH 2011
    2. Narkom
      Narkom 12 January 2013 07: 50 New
      +1
      So there is little left of the armor-deck cruiser of the 1st rank like "Diana" "Aurora" ... in general, what it costs is a ship assembled based on Russian cruisers.
      1. AK-47
        AK-47 12 January 2013 11: 23 New
        10
        Quote: Narkom
        .in general, what it costs is a ship assembled based on Russian cruisers.

        I read, I don’t understand, then we stand for the honor and glory of the Russian fleet, or we are ready to destroy one of the few remaining relics of the heroic past.
        Aurora is not a symbol of revolution, as it was represented by the propaganda of the communist past.
        Aurora is the only surviving monument to the heroic Russian Navy, Russian sailors who gave their lives glorifying their homeland.
        Restore the Aurora in full, include it in the Navy, protect and preserve, as the greatest historical shrine.
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 12 January 2013 16: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: AK-47
          Restore the Aurora in full, include it in the Navy, protect and preserve, as the greatest historical shrine.

          Here with the "greatest historical shrine" you most likely got excited. And about "restore, protect and preserve" - ​​I completely agree.
        2. sniper
          sniper 13 January 2013 01: 34 New
          0
          Quote: AK-47
          I read, I don’t understand, then we stand for the honor and glory of the Russian fleet, or we are ready to destroy one of the few remaining relics of the heroic past.

          Why destroy ??? This is part of our history and should be preserved, even if Nakhimov’s officers, under the guidance of naval officers, cherish it and cherish it, it will be a much better lesson than anything else, but I don’t see any sense in putting it on the move ... Yes, it’s a monument, yes it’s museum, yes this is our story, no matter how we relate to it, and our duty is to preserve it for posterity ... Now, if it was a question of the Varangian, then probably my opinion would have changed, there really heroism and the power of the Russian flag
          !!! And Aurora .... need to be stored, no doubt ...
    3. bask
      bask 12 January 2013 08: 25 New
      +4
      Quote: cth; fyn
      lodged officers go on a campaign, and why not make Aurora a “floating academy” like Sedov? well, or at least simply that it would be nice to go through Petersburg during the parades.

      It’s not really necessary to do something like this .. There are practically no historical monuments in the Navy in Russia .. Some models ... A beautiful ship !!!
  3. boris.radevitch
    boris.radevitch 12 January 2013 07: 25 New
    -4
    Our history! tongue
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 12 January 2013 20: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: boris.radevitch
      Our history!

      Imagine this is our story. And under Khrushchev, they launched not only agriculture, but also humans into space. And if Vaszhiva’s parents and even better grandmother and grandfather, ask them how they are in a single rush -Okopriyams! hi
  4. predator.3
    predator.3 12 January 2013 07: 48 New
    14
    It was necessary that by the seventeenth year it was as good as new ... suddenly it will come in handy again!
    1. Dart weyder
      Dart weyder 12 January 2013 08: 15 New
      +8
      laughing yes - by 2017)))))) but seriously - restoring the body - it would be necessary not to forget the soul, to write off more easily - and so there will be care, and the condition is proper, and about the cadets and Nakhimov’s - they don’t 100 people who fall on Aurora too - I think there will be impressions, it’s better than rusting at the pier!
    2. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 12 January 2013 10: 07 New
      -4
      here’s where it "comes in handy" and I don’t want tens of millions of Russian people to be killed am
      1. Dart weyder
        Dart weyder 12 January 2013 12: 30 New
        +3
        I understand your indignation - but right beneath me - I already thought that I was naughty to someone - and they dare me in return belay and let it be useful to a young cadet - and revolutions and other "surprises" - in Russia, and so it was plenty - enough already ...........
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 12 January 2013 10: 47 New
      +5
      That's right, Traitor! Something all the anecdote forgot ...
      “Khrushchev wakes up, calls his assistant and says:“ Fill the Moskva River. ”“ What are you doing ?! ”“ I had a dream - Lenin is sailing in a boat, he measures the sixth Moscow River and says: “Aurora will pass, Aurora will pass.” ....
      So by 2017 - wait, sir! In full combat readiness!
    4. lelikas
      lelikas 12 January 2013 14: 27 New
      +2
      predator.3- and drive the river closer to the Kremlin towards Moscow - otherwise shoot far from St. Petersburg. (that's why she needs a move)
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 13 January 2013 19: 42 New
        0
        Quote: lelikas
        and drive the river closer to the Kremlin towards Moscow - or shoot far from Peter. (that's why she needs a move)

        M. Weller has a novel on this subject, if memory serves, it is called the "Cavalry March"
  5. gmajor
    gmajor 12 January 2013 09: 06 New
    0
    Before vandals, hooligans' AND VIP PERSONS !!!
  6. glagol58
    glagol58 12 January 2013 09: 45 New
    +6
    First of all, the Aurora ship is history, but history must be kept! And in general, if a hundred or thousands of boys visit this beauty and want to become sailors, and not officials or traffic cops, Aurora will pay for its content.
  7. valokordin
    valokordin 12 January 2013 10: 00 New
    +2
    It’s true that the ship’s history must be preserved in the form in which it was built and rebuilt. Diesels should be replaced by steam engines, if they stayed and so damn ......... other parties VIP were not there UUUUUUUUUUUUUU
  8. SmacXnumx
    SmacXnumx 12 January 2013 10: 00 New
    +1
    Repair Aurora is necessary as well as the outfits of sailors and the command of naval officers over it
  9. dominion
    dominion 12 January 2013 10: 07 New
    +1
    It is imperative to restore, equip, accept the fleet as a combat unit, and let them shoot at the adversaries, otherwise the Yapis will again raise their heads.
  10. Byordovvv1
    Byordovvv1 12 January 2013 10: 17 New
    +4
    It is necessary to restore the historical symbol of the Russian fleet!
  11. Sleptsoff
    Sleptsoff 12 January 2013 10: 32 New
    -3
    As in the Hollywood movie "Sea Battle" we will fight on it with aliens from outer space.
  12. patriot2
    12 January 2013 10: 48 New
    +8
    The main thing is that they do not make a floating brothel from “Aurora” for the gentlemen of the prokhorovy and other oligarchs, who are accustomed to “drag themselves out” in historical places and who imagine themselves to be masters of Russia!
    Well, you can erase everything you want from the history of the country - it has already been done. But it’s just immoral to be Ivan, not remembering kinship. Apparently this was the reason for the 1917 revolution.
    I personally for the third option - overhaul in the dock and the status of a training vessel for cadets-Nakhimov and junior courses of the Navy College.
    I have no doubt that the people will throw themselves back on the restoration of the Aurora - this will be a good sign for the whole of Russian society, and there will also be enthusiasts shipbuilders!
  13. Dawd
    Dawd 12 January 2013 11: 01 New
    0
    equip RCC to the Atlantic
  14. andrei332809
    andrei332809 12 January 2013 11: 17 New
    +1
    "what do you dream of, cruiser Aurora?
    1. wax
      wax 12 January 2013 12: 09 New
      +3
      The waves are steep, the storms are gray -
      Share such a ship.
      Their fates are also somewhat similar,
      Something similar to the fate of people.
  15. Spstas1
    Spstas1 12 January 2013 12: 02 New
    +5
    "Aurora" - a monument not only representing the contradictory, but heroic history of our homeland. This is a monument to the technology of human civilization. The same as, for example, the dreadnought "Texas". And “Constitution” and “Mikasa”, and “Missouri” and all other preserved technical monuments embody those development steps that Earth Civilization has passed on its way. It would be nice, for example, if the Goeben, the only battlecruiser of the First World War surviving to the 60s, were preserved at the time. And not as a "destroyer of empires", which some historians like to fumble about, but as a monument to the High Seas Fleet ...
    1. bunta
      bunta 12 January 2013 20: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Spstas1
      "Aurora" - a monument not only representing the contradictory, but heroic history of our homeland. This is a monument to the technology of human civilization. T

      Not only. He is also amazingly beautiful!
  16. wax
    wax 12 January 2013 12: 19 New
    +3
    http://ti-poet.ru/stih.php?b=210942
    Slaves of the current elite
    Ready to remove guns from the Aurora.
    Must be "crooks and thieves"
    Afraid of Aurora shots!
    4th of October 2012
    Author: Gubar Yuri
  17. Andrey58
    Andrey58 12 January 2013 12: 44 New
    +2
    Owning a ship like Aurora on the go is the prestige of the state, an indicator of attitude to its history. The article correctly noted that we will be the second owner of a historic naval warship in the world. That is, there are fewer countries that have old ships in good condition than those that fly into space or possess nuclear weapons.
    Although in 1917, Aurora specifically stained itself, with the help of the Bolsheviks and the betrayal of the crew. But this is the fault of the people, not the ship.
    I would like specialists in the field of the history of the Navy to be allowed to restore, so that everything was done historically accurately. And not like in the late 80s, when the repairmen simply cut off the entire lower part of the bottom. The original lower part of the hull still lies in the Gulf of Finland. It would be great to attach it back.
  18. Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 12 January 2013 13: 45 New
    +4
    The third option is the most expensive, but, according to Fontanka sources, which has very real prospects. These are staging the ship in the repair dock, installing engines, propellers and navigation equipment and returning the Aurora to the fleet as a training ship for Nakhimov’s students and cadets of maritime universities.

    That would be just great. Recently, when they tried to turn the legendary cruiser into an elite brothel, many, including myself, have experienced bitterness and pain from such treatment of our history. With both hands for such a decision. wink
  19. Oleg14774
    Oleg14774 12 January 2013 14: 16 New
    +1
    Most of this site has grown and been brought up under the Soviet Union and honors itself as patriots. Therefore, I will answer briefly about Syria (to send it there) and about why this is necessary. Restoring the ship and putting it into operation means great ideological and political value. Aurora is a symbol of the USSR, and this is part of the history of our state.
    Do you prefer to sing in unison with the liberals that the USSR is so syak ?! So what are you on .... x patriots ?! Uneducated, illiterate, short-sighted puppets sprinkling saliva here about the "culture" and "understanding" of the world order. I feel sorry for you and explain a lot to you about this just wasting time.
  20. slava.iwasenko
    slava.iwasenko 12 January 2013 14: 51 New
    -1
    How to save a museum, but putting it on the move is already unnecessary and costly, and there’s nothing
  21. suharev-52
    suharev-52 12 January 2013 15: 13 New
    +1
    Save is necessary. Descendants will not forgive us. Whatever attitude to Aurora, this is our story. Good or bad, but ours. Sincerely.
  22. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 12 January 2013 15: 30 New
    +1
    As I understand it, if they take Aurora to the dock for restoration, we will never see her again. It seems like a reason, not a reason. Too many Soviet symbols are now an eyesore.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 12 January 2013 15: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Was Mammoth
      As I understand it, if they take Aurora to the dock for restoration, we will never see her again. It seems like a reason, not a reason. Too many Soviet symbols are now an eyesore.

      In Moscow, the “Worker with a Peasant Woman” was taken for restoration. Nothing, with difficulty, but returned.
    2. Andrey58
      Andrey58 12 January 2013 17: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Was Mammoth
      Too many Soviet symbols are now an eyesore.

      Correctly. Most of these characters are extremely ugly, and ideology. which they glorify is extremely cannibalistic. Not to mention the fact that the bulk of these symbols are nothing more than tin stars / sickles crookedly stuck to real architectural monuments of the period of the Russian Empire.
      The Soviet era is generally characterized by the fact that truly valuable monuments were destroyed. and in their place a dull monumental propaganda city was erected.
  23. ochakow703
    ochakow703 12 January 2013 15: 43 New
    0
    better in the states. How craving for the capitol and as usual in history, the Baltic sailors will go on the assault. [/ Quote] Enough foolishness. Normal warship, with a beautiful history. Save and restore completely. When did we get rid of this sore - all that was vulgarizing. I would suggest that all the evil-spoken people look in the mirror, you are what you are worth ?!
  24. zemlyak
    zemlyak 12 January 2013 15: 48 New
    +3
    On the go or not, Aurora must be left behind. Aurora is a monument of an entire era, the 20th century, with all its contradictions and wars. It is impossible to imagine Peter without Aurora.
  25. andrei332809
    andrei332809 12 January 2013 16: 47 New
    0
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  26. zmey
    zmey 12 January 2013 17: 48 New
    +2
    A museum or a full-fledged military training unit is not important - the main thing is that AURORA be there and you can touch it, walk around it, in general, touch the huge layer of OUR history.
    Perhaps someone will get carried away with this and become a sailor or a historian, but most importantly he will never forget that he was on the legendary AURORA - "who did something there and shot something"! The memory and education of youth is the main thing!