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Leonid Grach: Ukraine needs a new Pereyaslavskaya happy

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“Nobody gave the Ukrainian authorities any mandate to go to the European Union, because most of the country's population is in favor of joining the Customs Union,” Ukrainian politician Leonid Grach told the REGNUM correspondent in an interview with a REGNUM correspondent. Of Ukraine at the European Union, Konstantin Yeliseyev, that Ukraine’s entry into the Customs Union would give Ukraine only short-term dividends.

"Ambassador Konstantin Yeliseyev is a clerk of the nationalist regime. He does everything that the administration of the president of Ukraine wants, he works against the interests of Russia, to please Europe. In this sense, there is an absolutely clear political tendency that President Viktor Yanukovych fixes. This policy was a disaster for of the Ukrainian people. In the Ukrainian authorities, no one in Ukraine gave any mandate to go to the European Union. All public sentiments, including those studied by nationalist circles, talk about the choice of residents Of the Customs Union of Ukraine. Today Viktor Yanukovych is deaf and blind, if you consider who surrounds him, so today the president is not able to make independent decisions. Despite the fact that Yanukovych is a dictator, he is cowardly. For him, the opinion of his surroundings is more important than the opinion of the people and those real dividends that Ukraine can receive if it joins the Customs Union ", - said Grach.

According to the politician, Ukraine will receive much more political and economic benefits from joining the Customs Union. "In the event of Ukraine’s possible entry into the European Union, it will not receive anything more than a visa-free regime with some European countries. Such Eliseevs are a pack that barks and barks to slay two Slavic peoples - Ukrainian and Russian. If Ukraine joined the Customs union, it would immediately get an economic, political, and hence social result for 45 million Ukrainians. There is no independent Ukraine a long time ago. In Ukraine there are independent economic clans that fight each other, and the people are thrown out n social dustbin That's what today is Ukraine today to go to a new Pereyaslavskaya Rada, we need a new Bogdan Khmelnitsky, who will lead the Ukrainian people to the Customs Union is necessary to remember that Ukraine -... not Europe "- Rook said.

The politician noted that the choice of foreign policy of the Ukrainian authorities can only affect the active position of the population of Ukraine. “The course of Yanukovych, his family and the Party of Regions is on anti-Russian positions. I don’t understand why United Russia cooperates with the Party of Regions? Yanukovych surrendered and betrayed everything that is possible, which means that there’s an obvious aggravation of the Russian -Ukrainian relations. Russia is a great country, it must show wisdom, have patience and not go on provocation, which Yanukovych plays out. Russia needs to find leverage of public sentiment that would put pressure on Bankovaya and urge the authorities to go to the Customs Union ", - under rknul Rook.

Recall Eliseev sure that the entry of Ukraine into the Customs Union will give Ukraine only short-term dividends. “The few billions of dollars that Moscow is talking about is only a payment in exchange for the loss of Ukraine’s sovereignty in the context of implementing its own trade policy and abandoning the course towards integration with the EU,” the diplomat said. He added that Ukraine should seek a compromise between the European and Russian direction, but not "at the price of giving up the European choice." "The association with the EU should be. Just like the European integration of Ukraine. If Russia, as the leader of the Customs Union, is guided not only by its own interests, but also by its partners, then it will give Ukraine the opportunity to combine European integration on the one hand and partnership with the Customs Union on the other "- said the ambassador to the EU.
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  1. boris.radevitch
    boris.radevitch 12 January 2013 07: 02
    0
    It’s time for a new joy! love
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 January 2013 07: 21
      +5
      Quote: boris.radevitch
      It’s time for a new joy!

      Suggest again to choose the same?
      1. 11Goor11
        11Goor11 12 January 2013 18: 32
        +14
        The Russian media, who have the means, let them convey to the common people what life in Europe is like. The people and even the educated, people working for example in the Kiev city administration DO NOT KNOW how things really are in Europe, they still have childhood illusions of "democracy, the European standard of living" and other nonsense. You start to explain, they clap their eyes - they are surprised, the main excuse - "we would be so bad to live," you explain that after all the payments we have more money in our hands than the Europeans, either they do not understand or do not believe this.
        We need serious, purposeful work to convey the truth to people. - "Who lives well in Europe"
        1. smile
          smile 12 January 2013 20: 19
          +8
          11Goor11
          An extremely apt remark. But alas - since the times of Peter the Great ... (I will not say which) part of society that calls itself the intelligentsia, believes that we are here, damn it, all bast shoes, and in Europe - paradise on earth and everything for free ... For decades, this was also hammered into anti-Soviet propaganda - and here are the fruits .... we are reaping, .. I have most of the relatives I know in European countries, therefore I absolutely support you, but try to hammer this into our liberalist "protestants" some of whom are familiar with their realities only from their trips and professional smiles of sellers ... they have, as in that joke - no, a tomato!
  2. VadimSt
    VadimSt 12 January 2013 07: 07
    +20
    Many hoped that with the coming to power of the Party of Regions, integration issues and general interaction would acquire positive tendencies. Alas! In reality, the government did not fulfill a single pre-election promise. Ukraine, is fenced off from everyone, "a wall of clan interests" close to the President and the Party of Regions.
    The concepts of the Constitution and State power no longer fit into normal language - Ukraine is governed by a "thieves' meeting", the people for them are "muzhiks", whose only privilege is to "plow" for family clans.
    We do not need the Pereyaslav Rada — we need politicians whom people will believe and go after them. But such or not, or they are underground - political competition in Ukraine is actually banned. All this resembles political and economic slavery.
    I don’t remember from which song .... "even if hungry and homeless, but always free" Alas, freedom was also taken away, as evidenced by the chronicle of elections to the Verkhovna Rada.
    1. smel
      smel 12 January 2013 08: 32
      +8
      I am for Ukraine to become a very close Slavic neighbor of Russia. But Pereyaslovskaya alone is not happy for this. Nikon is also necessary, able to understand and accept this for the benefit of two peoples
      1. Mitek
        Mitek 12 January 2013 09: 38
        +13
        Ukraine needs a new Bogdan Khmelnitsky, not a thieving, near-minded Yanukovych, who came to power precisely thanks to the position of rapprochement, and then reunification with Russia. But when he came to power, he realized how much you can steal, it turns out ...
      2. Beltar
        Beltar 12 January 2013 21: 36
        +4
        There are no two peoples, there is one divided into 3 parts.
        1. Splin
          Splin 12 January 2013 21: 43
          -1
          Quote: Beltar

          There are no two peoples, there is one divided into 3 parts.

          There are close peoples. but they are not one. So that they would not accuse me of Great Ukrainian chauvinism, I am generally Greek by nationality, and my wife is Russian.
          1. nagi
            nagi 13 January 2013 20: 35
            0
            There are close peoples. but they are not one

            The ancestors of Ukrainians were initially a bit of everyone, but it was still a place for runaway and freedom-loving. That is, we can safely say that a certain percentage of Ukrainians is exactly a single people.
    2. Goldkonstantin
      Goldkonstantin 13 January 2013 00: 18
      +1
      Apparently, Yanukovych said something was stuck, so he is now rushing between two fires, although, in my opinion, the benefits of joining the vehicle are on the surface.
  3. MG42
    MG42 12 January 2013 07: 09
    +17
    Ukraine will receive much more political and economic benefits from joining the Customs Union. "In the event of Ukraine's possible accession to the European Union, it will not receive anything other than a visa-free regime with some European countries.

    Yes, Ukraine will not be accepted into the EU; such a question does not even stand in the perspective of EU development. The maximum that shines is the association agreement and the free trade area. Why should Ukraine knock its forehead on a closed door? Definitely in the vehicle. Integrate simultaneously into both structures will fail.
    1. Dart weyder
      Dart weyder 12 January 2013 08: 26
      +18
      I support - because for the EU with the problems of Greece, Italy and Spain, Romania - Ukraine also did not have enough - it's like - what a wrecked ship - to take outboard water for ballast ..... just another divorce - Ukraine is kept on a short leash - to take to the EU - they do not take it, but as soon as the possibility of any rapprochement with Russia appears on the horizon, they immediately begin to whisper and beckon ... although recently they threatened with sanctions (about Tymoshenko) ..... Europe has repeatedly said that in the near future it will not accept anyone at all - and so there is a problem .... Some are already thinking of going out from there - and Yanukovych is going there !? - I don't think - it is beneficial for him with Akhmetov and the "Brigade" in the middle - and get the maximum benefit from everywhere, and there is no need to share - one side presses - they rush to the other, and vice versa ... ..
      1. Splin
        Splin 12 January 2013 11: 27
        +2
        Dart weyder,
        Do not confuse EU accession with a free trade area.
        1. Dart weyder
          Dart weyder 12 January 2013 12: 13
          +2
          and the difference is only in the "roots" - and so - this is a political-economic union "- you do not confuse yourself and others, here the point is not in kinship - but in benefit, as in the EAZL, but here is kinship
          1. Splin
            Splin 12 January 2013 12: 34
            +3
            The free trade zone that Ukraine is seeking from the EU is just mutual cancellation of duties and that’s it. Without any supranational authority. It will look like a FTA between the CIS countries, which does not work due to the fact that Putin pays more attention to the CU. While we argue. China, Japan and South Korea are about to sign an agreement on their FTZ. Can you imagine what a powerful economic fist it will be ?!
            1. Dart weyder
              Dart weyder 12 January 2013 12: 41
              +2
              well yes! Of course - and the orientation of production is so-so on a specific consumer in the form of an enterprise or factory !? when is it profitable to switch all the power to it !? and then how during the collapse of the USSR - there is nothing to do, no one to sell to !? belay
              1. Splin
                Splin 12 January 2013 12: 44
                0
                Now what is wrong? Or Zhiguli and Cossacks somewhere else in bulk buy.
            2. Ascetic
              Ascetic 12 January 2013 21: 18
              +6
              Quote: Splin
              It will look like a FTA between the CIS countries, which does not work due to the fact that Putin pays more attention to the CU.


              Because under the rules of the Customs Union (and the prospect of Evrazes), enterprises of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, aviation industry and metallurgy will be fully involved in the first place, oil and gas investments from Russia will go there. Now it is impossible according to a number of international laws and rules. The same Yuzhmash, Pavlograd, Nikolaev now impossible to use even in joint projects. And the EU does not need Ukrainian enterprises, why do they need competitors? And Russia is just right. For example, when in the mid-90s they were just going to lay new ships on slipways, it turned out that the Zaporizhzhya Steel Plant stopped supplying specific types of metal for submarines in Russia. I had to put into operation separate sections of unfinished and dismantled hulls of submarines of projects 971 Schuka-B (K-133 Lynx and K-137 Cougar) and 949A Antei (K-135 Volgograd and K-160 “Barnaul”), But there other sizes and standards were adapted according to the principle of invented cunning. The same Yuzhmash will be happy to take on the heavy liquid ICBM, which was already made in 1991 but poher.
              And what harm is Ukraine from the fact that many factories will earn and will not lie on their sides as they are now?
              1. Splin
                Splin 12 January 2013 21: 34
                -1
                Quote: Ascetic
                And what harm is Ukraine from the fact that many factories will earn and will not lie on their sides as they are now?

                Ukraine wins 9,5 mrd. bucks a year, but loses due to lack of duties and from the western cordons 13,2 billion dollars. Where is the benefit?
                1. Lord of the Sith
                  Lord of the Sith 12 January 2013 22: 34
                  +2
                  For the money I agree, as well as jobs + deductions to the pension fund + taxes from enterprises and so on.
                2. wax
                  wax 13 January 2013 01: 21
                  +2
                  Do you really think that you will receive the benefit of 13,2 billion dollars by joining the EU? In order to get the benefit, you need to produce competitive products. EU countries occupy a fourth of the export of Ukraine (26%), with virtually nothing high-tech. Living on the same metallurgy will not be easy.
                  1. Prokop
                    Prokop 14 January 2013 00: 27
                    0
                    I completely agree with you, with the EU, Golovin sells only ingots. The bulk of exports are tied to Russia.
                3. Prokop
                  Prokop 14 January 2013 00: 30
                  +2
                  I completely disagree with you, with the EU URKAina sells only ingots. The bulk of exports are tied to Russia.
  4. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 12 January 2013 07: 10
    +13
    But it is precisely the aggravation that will untie the hands of Ukrainian politicians to join the EU. Now there is no need for aggravation, TV and all kinds of Saviks will attack Russia, again blaming all sins. The only thing that should be some kind of media advertisement for the benefits of the CU for Ukraine. Yesterday Kars brought statistics from Belarus, but he can’t give it in Kazakhstan, it simply doesn’t exist in Ukraine. Kazakhstani people have a good say on the site and have made their say. For the Ukrainian economy, the TS is the only way out, Europe simply doesn’t need Ukraine !!! Unless as a consumer.
    1. MG42
      MG42 12 January 2013 07: 32
      +8
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      and all sorts of Saviks will attack Russia

      You look what Yevgeny Kiselyov, the former with NTV, does it sing along with Ukrainian. Natsik in his program a song that incites ethnic hatred belay I do not specifically insert a video = >>>>
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk6OXp2cXY8
      1. MG42
        MG42 12 January 2013 15: 00
        +3
        And this is generally a complete finish = >>> Kiselyov definitely ate Svidomo hallucinogenic mushrooms that he released a song about Shukhevych's rum in his program >>> and the MPs of Ukraine listen to this smiling, and not from freedom, and there are leading political scientists there ???
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qlQTX8YEm4
    2. Splin
      Splin 12 January 2013 11: 26
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      For the Ukrainian economy, the TS is the only way

      You are talking about benefits. And what does Ukraine lose in money when joining the CU?
      1. Ustas
        Ustas 13 January 2013 09: 05
        +1
        Quote: Splin
        And what does Ukraine lose in money when joining the CU?

        The people of Ukraine can only win. The oligarchs and the "family" are losing.
  5. Maks111
    Maks111 12 January 2013 07: 12
    +6
    A little off topic, but still. I remember, once in Ukraine they chose the greatest Ukrainian (there was such a project on TV), the people voted. So the people who chose the greatest Ukrainian were not Stepan Bender, as some in Russia would like to pour more shit on Ukraine. And not Lenin, as the Communists would like. And who was chosen, what do you think? Yaroslav the Wise. That's it. And that says a lot.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 12 January 2013 10: 04
      +12
      Max, does Yaroslav the Wise know that he is Ukrainian?
      When Yaroslav the Wise lived, they didn’t even hear about Ukraine !!!
      It’s the same as the Roman Emperor Constantine, called the greatest Italian! )))
      Max you, what is the same in the head all the wires messed up?
      He says that this is only about the fact that a large part of the people of Ukraine was taken out of their brains and poured into silicone. (I wonder how the votes counted?)
      But nothing is aunt hunger, from hunger quickly grow wiser. In 20 years, Putin will be the greatest Ukrainian.
      ps And no one in Russia pours shit on Little Russia (Ukraine), it pours itself out of the mouth of iodo deficient maydaunas of independents.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 12 January 2013 10: 17
      +21
      Quote: Max111
      the people chose the greatest Ukrainian ....


      Yaroslav the Wise - From the Rurikovich clan. The son of Vladimir Svyatoslavich and Polotsk Princess Rogneda .... He was Prince of Novgorod, then after the death of his father he liberated Kiev from Svyatopolk the Accursed, who unjustly seized power .... By the way, do you remember that the last Grand Prince of Kiev was Alexander Nevsky? True, he could not sit here, it was necessary to restore order throughout Russia.
      This is what I am-well, all Ukrainians were straight !!!! Well, when will modern politicians already understand that we are part of the Russian land ?! And Russian people lived and live here !!!!!
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 12 January 2013 10: 22
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        Well, when will modern politicians already understand

        Yes, they will not understand anything, you live in the territory where the new Khazar Khaganate is being built, under the guise of independence, when the Little Russians (Ukrainians) will understand this, when they will expel uhrov uhrov, then two parts of one people will unite.
      2. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 12 January 2013 18: 04
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        that we are part of the Russian land ?!
        So shozh you do not tell them to them?

        Straight - ANYWHERE!


        Quote: Egoza
        the last Grand Duke of Kiev was Alexander Nevsky


        For your life - we are afraid!
        1. hommer
          hommer 13 January 2013 22: 21
          +2
          Sorry that Kazakh is interfering in your discussion, but you are not strangers to us, that are Russians, that are Ukrainians.
          And this was sent by a friend from Ukraine, he laughed:


          In short, I got into the refrigerator, took a tomato, cucumber, greens, I wanted to make a salad. Well, of course, the salad must be made with mayonnaise, otherwise what a normal person it will be. I chopped everything and suddenly realized that I forgot the mayonnaise, bastard. I open the refrigerator, take mayonnaise and suddenly I realize that the lard is in front of me. And then suddenly I wanted fat, well, I think, if I wanted to, why not eat it. While I filled the salad, cut the lard, everything was as it should be, ate and then suddenly everything was overdone at the black-and-white color, the hum and the rocket, ... at the middle ... well, for nothing, it’s okay to get rid of Taras Shevchenko’s land from the land I seem to be fucking ... nude about Ів і morality, old pedal, h..lі yomu from the earth didn’t lie b ... d ?! Vіdteper okrimі ukrainskiy movi i nі..uya not rosumіyu. Curry fat bastard !!
          1. Dimon simfer
            Dimon simfer 14 January 2013 20: 08
            +1
            LIQUID - SECURE REMAINING BROWN PRODUCT !!! laughing +
  6. Homo
    Homo 12 January 2013 07: 35
    +4
    Ukraine has not yet left the stage "a la Yeltsin and K"! Therefore, it is worth waiting a little, they will not go anywhere from us.
    1. Rink
      Rink 12 January 2013 14: 04
      +9
      Quote: Homo
      Ukraine has not yet left the stage "a la Yeltsin and K"! Therefore, it is worth waiting a little, they will not go anywhere from us.

      Such a position comes only from a misunderstanding of the processes going on in Ukraine. And this is a losing position. If you don’t do anything, you’ll even get away. Modern methods of mass influence on consciousness are damn effective, while you wait, a certain new people (population) will live here, not just without awareness of the Slavic brotherhood, but aggressive-Russian anti-Russian. Like Poland and the Baltic states, if you need examples.

      Uniting economies, building alliances is possible at the readiness of countries. But it was necessary to start preparing these unions even not yesterday, but the day before yesterday! because even now a lot of things have been lost.
  7. Bykov.
    Bykov. 12 January 2013 07: 52
    +2
    "No one gave the Ukrainian authorities any mandate to join the European Union, because most of the country's population is in favor of joining the Customs Union,"

    It remains only to find a politician who, all these hopes and dreams of Ukrainians and us, will begin to realize.
    Help him, Lord.
    1. Dart weyder
      Dart weyder 12 January 2013 08: 33
      +9
      Yes, I didn’t see such politicians there unfortunately .... everything is tied up there - gnawing from time to time for power .... but some are already at the top - and they won’t give up their positions ... even the EU or the EEAS ... until the people speak .... and there, too, the brains of many are washed - how many quarrels over the elections were - this is a circus - some for the Blue, some for the Oranges .....
      but now a new competitor has appeared in the elections - and he is gaining votes !!! The people have just gotten the election and he just laughs!





      so - I will come to power - I will put things in order! wassat
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 12 January 2013 11: 20
        0
        Quote: Dart Weyder
        Yes, I didn’t see such politicians there unfortunately

        Among the current authorities in Ukraine, there are hardly any.
        And in general, the reasons for which the current Ukrainian elite does not want rapprochement with Russia are also understandable.
        But this does not mean that this will continue.
        1. Dart weyder
          Dart weyder 12 January 2013 12: 15
          +4
          so "elite", if you can call it that and will not go to the west, they will also be imprisoned there and will take everything away, because there is something for feel
      2. Dimon simfer
        Dimon simfer 13 January 2013 01: 06
        +3
        In the last elections to the Verkhovna Rada, the Uraines introduced changes in the bills: the line "I do not support any of the candidates" was removed. And where is democracy about which all politicians are yelling at the top of their lungs, where is the expression of will? It's time to bring our entire VR out to the square and boggles with lead, and then the Cabinet of Ministers. and oligarchs. Then the next ones will think about going to power or not and what to promise the people. And how in the circus on the arena are the same, the clowns are shorter. What kind of unions, under the current government, we can talk about.
        1. Dimon simfer
          Dimon simfer 13 January 2013 01: 25
          +1
          Here it is, our power laughing
        2. Dart weyder
          Dart weyder 13 January 2013 06: 13
          0
          yes - it's time to disperse this thief of Caudle a long time ago - but who will disperse them !?
    2. Igor Belov
      Igor Belov 12 January 2013 08: 35
      +8
      Quote: Bulls.
      It remains only to find a policy

      Good morning, Aleksey! To my great regret, such politicians simply do not exist in nature. today, the realities are such that politics and popular aspirations have diverged so far that they cannot see each other. We (ordinary people) want to live in peace and friendship, to love, to create families, to raise children, to work, providing our families with the necessary ... But politicians have completely different priorities, protect above all the world banking system, which turns a free person into a slave of consumption, chasing brands and discounts, not noticing the apparent material well-being of his dependent position. You just pay attention to the fact that the whole world is indebted to the banking system and in any crisis, they help it in the first place, assuring us that without it the economy will collapse. All wars and local conflicts are tied to banks, instability is beneficial to bankers ...
      All modern politics is a corrupt girl, whoever pays the most is paid attention to. What can you or I give? Is it in the face ?! hi
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 12 January 2013 11: 12
        +4
        Quote: Igor Belov
        To my great regret, such politicians simply do not exist in nature. today, the realities are such that politics and popular aspirations have diverged so far that they cannot see each other.

        hi
        But constantly it just cannot be so, sooner or later, the government will be forced to listen to the people, otherwise, the people will choose a new power for themselves, which will meet their interests.
        And therefore, in order to be in power, politicians will be forced to listen to the interest of the voter, and not just their own.
        1. Igor Belov
          Igor Belov 12 January 2013 11: 50
          +1
          quote = Bulls.] Sooner or later, the government will be forced to listen to the people, [/ quote]
          Rather late ... We (including myself) have just elected a president for 6 (!) Years, so be patient and wait for the next election in order to be heard! UNFORTUNATELY...
          1. Bykov.
            Bykov. 12 January 2013 12: 01
            0
            Quote: Igor Belov
            Rather late ... We (including myself) have just chosen a president for 6 (!) Years,

            Well, our president, all of 6 years, can not be doubted, and will be engaged in integration processes, as he actually did before.
            In fact, they, they were inspired, him to continue, and we help him, in this, as far as we can.
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 14 January 2013 01: 01
          +1
          Quote: Bulls.
          sooner or later, the government will be forced to listen to the people
          The authorities of IMHO will begin to listen to the people in the only case - if they suddenly discover that this people is quite capable of doing without it wink
          In the recent Ukrainian elections, one silly party, Ukrainian Choice, in pursuit of votes, gave birth to a real masterpiece: "YOU govern the country, not those you choose." People laughed and asked: "Why the hell, then, in general, all this is not a very cheap herd to keep?" laughing
    3. Beltar
      Beltar 12 January 2013 21: 39
      +1
      You will find it. Glad happened precisely because Bogdan had nowhere to go, and so he would least of all want to go to Russia, because in Russia they did not suffer from Polish liberties, why is Russia and the state itself, and ideally a superpower, and Poland is just a "state in Eastern Europe" ...
    4. Goldkonstantin
      Goldkonstantin 13 January 2013 00: 15
      0
      Perhaps there is such a thing, only time is needed.
  8. 123dv
    123dv 12 January 2013 08: 54
    +4
    Here it is necessary, they remembered that there is such a Leonid Grach in the Crimea!
    The man who spent all his strength over the past 20 years to strengthen cooperation with Russia. Only no one was interested in this either in Russia or in Ukraine.
  9. tm70-71
    tm70-71 12 January 2013 09: 51
    +10
    Russians and Ukrainians are one nation, this I tell you bydracocratic officials, enough to divide us.
    1. Splin
      Splin 12 January 2013 11: 31
      -5
      When the Kremlin starts to say "In" and not "On" again, there will be a rapprochement, as in 2004.
      1. Splin
        Splin 12 January 2013 14: 11
        -3
        Quote: Splin
        When the Kremlin starts to say "In" and not "On" again, there will be a rapprochement, as in 2004.

        I understand it is not pleasant to hear Russian respondents. but in this video, Putin says "In Ukraine" and clearly explains the reason for the negativity. which then in 3 years will be expressed by Medvedev. So "B" or "Na" is, unfortunately, political pretexts.
      2. smile
        smile 12 January 2013 20: 38
        +3
        Splin
        Sorry, but in the Russian language it has historically developed that in relation to the outlying Russian lands it was said - "in Ukraine" ... Who is to blame that by the end of the 19th, at the beginning of the 20th century, a Ukrainian nation will be formed? Do we now need to change our language to please some overly principled (if not to say PAINFULLY principled)? You're probably not talking about Washington or Scotland, are you? Or are you thereby expressing your negative attitude towards the Anglo-Saxons? :)))
        By the way, have you already changed your language in order to bring it into line with Russian primary sources? Maybe you’ll start by calling Kiev first, so called Russian almost a millennium before the appearance of the Ukrainian nation, Kiev, and not Kyive, huh? ... Well, maybe you’ll start with yourself?
        I’m joking, of course, but such a painful principledness indicates that someone has problems with self-esteem .... is it time to tie, huh?
        1. Splin
          Splin 12 January 2013 20: 56
          0
          smile,
          .................... it's not about self-esteem. Putin is right in saying that they considered and most likely are considered quasi-states. Historically, there was no such state "UKRAINE" ... But now it is. And about the alphabet. Abolished the same letter "yat" in the 18th. Nobody died from this.
          As for pronunciation, this is a linguistic amendment and not a political one, but as in the anode:
          1. smile
            smile 12 January 2013 23: 03
            +1
            Splin
            They answered well.
            I must admit that I was really hurt by this matter because in the nineties some overly active apologists of Bandera strongly pestered Meni about these pretexts (I had relatives in Fastov and the Poltava region, so I had to talk). For them it was a scary question of principle .... well, it's funny, huh?
            1. Splin
              Splin 12 January 2013 23: 09
              -1
              smile,
              I am not a Ukrainian, I am a citizen of Ukraine, so for me this is not a question of national identity like that of Bendera, but I live in a country and not in some territory.
        2. folds
          folds 12 January 2013 22: 16
          +3
          Once upon a time, one person wrote:
          Yak die, then cheer
          Mene at the grave,
          Sereda is wide,
          On Ukrainian Miles,
          in my opinion, everything is clear, "on" or "in" :)
          1. Splin
            Splin 12 January 2013 22: 25
            0
            folds,

            Are you a boxer ?. We entered the clinch and the logic turned off. When Shevchenko lived THERE WAS NO such country "Ukraine" DID NOT HAVE!!!
            She was gone until 1992.
            1. smel
              smel 13 January 2013 07: 55
              +1
              But he, Shevchenko, did not fight in a nationalist frenzy !!!
      3. wax
        wax 13 January 2013 01: 36
        +5
        In Cuba and Japan, winds blow again. Apple trees bloomed in Ukraine and the Crimea. In Kiev and Moscow, syntax and spelling are edited again. In the Bryansk region, forests are still growing in which the Bryansk were partisaned in the Patriotic War. Here: I wanted to give it in the forehead, but it turned out on the forehead.
      4. Ustas
        Ustas 13 January 2013 09: 15
        +1
        Quote: Splin
        When will the Kremlin start to say "B" and not "On" again?

        Well, so it is customary in Russia to speak purely Russian "in Ukraine". You already call :)))
  10. Nechai
    Nechai 12 January 2013 10: 21
    +9
    Quote: MG42
    You look what Yevgeny Kiselyov, the former with NTV, does it sing along with Ukrainian. Natsik in his program a song that incites ethnic hatred

    EvKhgeniy continues to create what he can. That is what he was doing in Russia, having changed his Seksotov curators from GBES to sis and Tsereush. It is necessary for the lad to make money on some bread with caviar. So while it’s sho, then it’s shocking ... That's when he will suddenly be offered a bigger loot for promoting the UNITY of the Slavs and will be given absolute guarantees of the protection and safety of his priceless skin - O-O-O! You will hardly find a more frantic apologist! A true "intellectual" ...
    1. VadimSt
      VadimSt 12 January 2013 11: 44
      +4
      This crap, in Russophobia, outdid even Schuster. True, if you analyze his speech and delve into the questions asked, then there is doubt about his educational level - maybe a diploma (in Moscow) was issued in the next passage.
  11. Egoza
    Egoza 12 January 2013 10: 21
    +5
    Our elections showed how amicably both the PR and the orange and the Communist Party displace from the sphere of political influence those who REALLY can unite people and lead them. Those who at least really think about the people. They simply were not allowed to go to the deputies. And then all the agreements will break.
    1. Splin
      Splin 12 January 2013 11: 33
      +4
      Quote: Egoza
      Those who at least really think about the people.

      If not a secret, who are they? In my opinion, these forces are not in Ukraine.
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 12 January 2013 13: 51
        +1
        Quote: Splin
        If not a secret, who are they? In my opinion, these forces are not in Ukraine.

        There is, in any case, the people, the voter, a social order for them, there is a need for them, and therefore they themselves will soon appear.
        Without, of course, a long time, not one power can afford to ignore the interests of the voter, without being punished for itself.
        So, sooner or later, but these politicians will certainly appear.
        1. Splin
          Splin 12 January 2013 14: 05
          +3
          Bykov.,
          Politicians may be. But in Parliament as in an organism. Old blood always absorbs, for six months, a small amount of new. So in power. In order for recovery to occur at least temporarily, the body must not undergo transfusions and change not only the heart valve but also the heart itself.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza 12 January 2013 22: 23
        +2
        There are some representatives, at least the Communist Party of Ukraine (Tsar'kov, Aleksandrovskaya), and just majoritarian members, for example, Filipchuk. The scheme is very interesting here (for example, the latter). He, as a lawyer, stepped on land departments very hard, helped people to register land plots for free, as it should be by law. He was supported by 70% of the district. But before the elections, the district was divided into 3 electoral districts. Moreover, uneven. And it turned out that in the precinct where it was possible to vote for him, there were 10% of those who voted for him. The CPU simply "passed" the above, sending them to the majority vote, but at the same time, having agreed with the PR on the majority vote, the CPU gives its votes to the PR. Thus, Symonenko got rid of the most active and charismatic representatives, who have already begun to "step on his heels." I was an election observer, so I am responsible for what I wrote. Our elections .... as the Germans said: "They understood that they were showing up, but did not understand how."
        1. Splin
          Splin 12 January 2013 22: 34
          0
          Quote: Egoza
          at least the CPU (Tsar'kov,

          I personally know Tsarkov (studied together at the university). Believe me - it only got worse over the past 6 years.
  12. Nechai
    Nechai 12 January 2013 11: 21
    +3
    Quote: Egoza
    They simply were not allowed to go to the deputies.

    INDEPENDENT PERSONS, and even with enormous charisma in politics ?! after all, the whole tsya of the current shobla ne tilki will remain without bablosikov, but it will also acquire a compulsion to work for a long time, and part of it will also be a VMN ... So sho "do not let go !!!" is literally their struggle for their very existence ...
  13. Magadan
    Magadan 12 January 2013 11: 37
    +1
    The main thing is that the peoples understand what they themselves want. But politicians break it sooner or later!
    I don’t understand why membership in the TS is a loss of sovereignty? Nobody will put our officials in Ukraine? Trade must be shared. The army must be united. Large enterprises to configure the production of general products (aircraft for example). But what does sovereignty have to do with it?
    Maybe someone will explain?
    1. Splin
      Splin 12 January 2013 11: 42
      0
      Magadan,
      The only thing I support you with is the third point. Enough of the western second hand!
  14. anchonsha
    anchonsha 12 January 2013 14: 23
    +5
    It is strange how it turns out, we Russians convince Ukrainians to enter the Customs Union and indicate their benefits from this economic union. But they rest against and see in this their absorption. To Ukrainianize, then here we must try so-so-and-so-and-so Yes, let them do what they want. Time will put everything in its place. Only then will no one need Ukraine at all, since it will not have an economy as such. The Baltic countries are an example of what will happen to Ukraine even if all wishes are fulfilled and Ukraine ends up in the EU. The sovereignty of today's Ukraine is ridiculous: it is partly in China, partly in the EU, partly in the USA. You want to say that gas from Russia is not a fig, pay and use it, no politics, only economic benefits. Julia taught us that no matter how many times you give it, you will not give it to ordinary people, but plunder it.
  15. revnagan
    revnagan 12 January 2013 15: 03
    +10
    But what kind of EU, you laugh, or something. Even insane people in a madhouse do not believe that Ukraine will be admitted to the EU. Why did ordinary Ukrainians want to join the EU so much? Yes, because of the standard of living, they wanted to live like a human being. Is our industry will be able to provide such a level? So it turns out that the Ukrainians want to come to the EU, as in the joke, a Jew goes to visit, comes with a cousin and leaves with a piece of cake for Aunt Pesya. The zealous Europeans will not agree to this. bucks "for old services to the" European civilizers "and for loud curses towards Russia, but the Balts are a dot on the map, Ukraine is much more. And if here the natsyuki think that the West will pay them, like the Balts, only for the" Baltic "behavior, they They are deeply mistaken. And our leadership already lives like in Europe, or maybe even better. Why should they join the EU? They do not need financial scandals with their names, openness in court, so the stories about EU accession for most Ukrainians are this is a fairy tale in which Only infantile personalities and brainless idealists lose. There is no alternative to TS.
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 12 January 2013 18: 30
      -1
      Quote: revnagan
      There is no alternative to the vehicle.


      caresses the ear. Who invented? GDP and this is encouraging.
    2. wax
      wax 13 January 2013 01: 47
      +2
      Yes, the Balts survived, mainly due to Russia (black and white transit). And the West loaned. Ports will reorient Russia and Belarus - and what's next. West does not like Nakhlebnikov. We'll have to give the territory for radars, missiles, front-line airfields - somehow pay off. And he will substitute himself for destruction in the event of a military conflict.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 13 January 2013 01: 55
        +1
        Quote: Wax
        And he will substitute himself for destruction in the event of a military conflict.
        And without a military conflict. As the bases for the local population grow, there simply will not be space left wink
  16. radar75
    radar75 12 January 2013 18: 28
    -3
    The problem of Ukrainian-Russian relations lies in the fact that the authorities have different kinds of rooks. They live in the past and see relations between countries in the context of domination of one over the other or in the context of coercive policies (economic, coercive). This is unpromising in Ukraine. The one who thinks pro-Ukrainian will win here. This confirms the success of the Freedom elections. Dreaming of a revival of the USSR are becoming marginalized.
    1. plotnikov561956
      plotnikov561956 12 January 2013 20: 10
      +3
      Quote: radar75
      The one who thinks pro-Ukrainian will win here.


      Each comment matchmaking through a few refusal .... The forum is understandable
      ... as in real life ... who thought ... Personally for me ..to Ukraine there is nothing to do with its freedom ... it's a suitcase without a handle ... what a single army .. what a joint economy ... a train of these plans departed from the platform for about 10 years already ...
      The anti-Russian generation has grown not only in Galicia, but also in the East ..
      For a simple Russian man to Ukraine absolutely on the drum ..
      Earlier it was said about the natural resources of Ukraine, which are not in Russia (titanium, manganese, uranium ... which supposedly lost) ... well, absolutely clinically
      I compare Russia and Ukraine .. who goes where ... what is done in Ukraine .. what is built .. what is put into operation .. enlighten the Ukrainian comrades ..
      You go however to the collapse of statehood or civil war ..
      and maybe another revolution .. now it’s already purple ..
      What is the economic benefit of Russia in the unification ... it is not for Russia .. TS agrees yes .. Unification of the Slavic peoples, yes .. but I can’t imagine ... we ourselves have not finished the fifth column yet .. yes yours will increase .. Maybe there will be a tough hand on Russian soil .. otherwise
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 13 January 2013 01: 59
      +3
      Quote: radar75
      The one who thinks pro-Ukrainian will win here.
      Those. will not think at all. Simply because for more than 20 years this style of thinking has not yet been formed, and everything that stands out for it sounds something like this: "Bargain longer and fool a little more. There are buyers, we will live on the difference in quotations."
  17. revnagan
    revnagan 12 January 2013 18: 54
    +3
    Quote: radar75
    This confirms the success of the Freedom elections. Dreaming of a revival of the USSR are becoming marginalized.

    Freedom was brought to parliament by slogans and a program "pioneered" by the KPU. The situation predicted by you will last exactly until the first screw up of "Freedom", which will undoubtedly happen very soon, because. this pocket dog of the PR can not fulfill anything of the promised. The rating of "Freedom" is a rating received in the elections in advance, and will be with him the same as with the rating of their owners from the PR.
  18. LAO
    LAO 12 January 2013 19: 10
    -4
    Which union did Japan, South Korea, Singapore join? ..
    To build an efficient economy, one must not join, but work. So that the "upper classes" do not steal (they do not export money abroad, kick taxes ...), and the "lower classes" do not drink (becoming cynical, apathetic - I will hide my hut and all go nafig).
    How many centuries have we been together, and the result?
    Microscopic JAPAN overtook the USSR in all respects despite the fact that it has no minerals.
    How many countries are ahead of us and still ahead of us, even if we have mineral resources and some industrial base.
    Neither the EU nor the CU will give us anything until we ourselves change.
    Better with a smart to lose than with a fool to find. It’s better not to go to the EU in the EU. You can’t hope that someone will put things in order in your house - you need to bring it yourself.
    This is all the same as making children: - you must do it yourself even if you have a healthy team.
    And rooks croaking towards Donbass is better to fly away!
    1. wax
      wax 13 January 2013 01: 54
      +2
      LAO: "Microscopic JAPAN has overtaken the USSR in all respects ..."
      And already in 1961 she launched a man into space.
      1. LAO
        LAO 13 January 2013 23: 35
        -2
        Question to Vax:
        When is your turn to fly into space?
    2. xan
      xan 13 January 2013 13: 45
      +1
      LAO,
      exactly logical. just to become a state with such an economy, one needs to sacrifice the life of one or two generations of Ukrainians, as they sacrificed generations of Japanese and Yu. Koreans, you do not have gas with oil. And something able and active ukry want to live now, and will live in Russia or the EU.
      To talk about Japan, South Korea and Singapore, you need to know what their economic miracle is based on - closing the borders for emigration, refusing to import consumer goods, working almost to eat, etc.
      Will you go for it?
      1. LAO
        LAO 13 January 2013 23: 53
        0
        hap - our generation has long been lost - at the beginning in the days of developed socialism when the borders were closed, and then during the collapse when we were also robbed.
        Lost all the post-war generations who worked almost for food.
        At the expense of emigration you are lying! Emigration from these countries was, is and will be.
        Read more about Japan, Singapore.
        1. xan
          xan 14 January 2013 12: 20
          0
          LAO,
          when there they plowed for food - there was no emigration, you are lying
          and there were as many bans as there were approximately in the USSR under Stalin
          you run away all
  19. NEMO
    NEMO 12 January 2013 19: 16
    +7
    If Russia, as the leader of the Customs Union, is guided by the interests of not only its own, but also its partners, then it will give Ukraine the opportunity to combine European integration on the one hand and partnership with the Customs Union on the other "- emphasized the ambassador to the EU.


    Ukraine is unlikely to be able to implement the idea of ​​simultaneous "sitting on two chairs", if it is still possible to agree somehow with the CU countries, then in Europe any document must be ratified in the parliament of each country (27), in time it is a couple of years, and so every arrangement ...... what
    1. plotnikov561956
      plotnikov561956 13 January 2013 13: 29
      +1
      The transit of Russian gas through the territory of Ukraine since the beginning of 2012 as of October 23 amounted to 64,8 billion cubic meters, decreasing by 25% compared to last year's volumes, or by 16,2 billion cubic meters (from 81 billion cubic meters).
  20. kamis51
    kamis51 12 January 2013 20: 21
    +1
    Change the names and the names of countries, and get the name of the common misfortune ...
  21. stranik72
    stranik72 12 January 2013 22: 23
    0
    Quote: Ascetic
    Because under the rules of the Customs Union (and the prospect of Eurases), enterprises of the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, aviation industry and metallurgy will be fully involved in the first place, oil and gas investments from Russia will go there, now this is not possible under a number of international laws and rules

    In Russia, we cannot load our enterprises, in particular the aviation industry, with what we will load Ukrainian ones, according to the WTO rules, we cannot oppose the supply of foreign civil aircraft. And the military, another state, according to our laws, everything connected with the military-industrial complex should be done here. Yes, there are exceptions for some samples, such as, for example, engines on the Yak-130 or helicopters, the same Yuzhmash extends our-theirs "Satan", but this is an exception. And the example of Belarus, we have invested a lot of money there in industry and the military-industrial complex, no, because "uncles from across the hill" said without, So our dreams and actions of our authorities are in different dimensions.
  22. Goldkonstantin
    Goldkonstantin 13 January 2013 00: 14
    +3
    Ukraine was not given a mandate to join the European Union, and the local politicians stubbornly climb there anyway. Europe is bursting at the seams, it would be able to resist, but the CU is a real benefit. We need to be in a single bundle. This is the only way to repulse the reptiles who separated us!
    1. Splin
      Splin 13 January 2013 00: 34
      0
      Goldkonstantin,
      You all like a spell repeat about TS. I think and FTA would be enough, God forbid, that it worked.
  23. Vespasian
    Vespasian 13 January 2013 07: 18
    +3
    It's a pity, but the Union is no longer there. And the situation in the present is such that the power structures are trying to bargain "more shockingly" for the conditions of cooperation and the words about the "brotherhood of Slavic peoples" are the background for the conditions to be even sweeter.
    In fact, purely geographically, we are not going anywhere from each other, and this is the "main thing", and the critical mass for changing the situation is being gathered, and even in our forum it can be seen, just Russia must be even stronger and it depends on many of us. soldier
  24. taseka
    taseka 13 January 2013 08: 46
    +1
    "In Ukraine, there are independent economic clans that are fighting among themselves, and the people are thrown into a social dump." - As they say, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye!
  25. sprut
    sprut 13 January 2013 12: 03
    +5
    Yes, we may not need all of Ukraine ... Well, why do we need these underdeveloped zapadentsy, one hemorrhoids with them. Let them climb into Europe, and the consequences everyone knows what they will be. According to the tonsils, we need Eastern, Southern, Crimea and Central Ukraine, i.e. Little Russia.