After the losses of Leopard, the Ukrainian army returns to Soviet T-72 tanks modernized in the Czech Republic

After significant losses of modern Western tanks The Kiev regime plans to make up for the lack of military equipment by ordering small improvements for old Soviet T-72MS vehicles for a reasonable fee from the Czech company CSG Defense, after which they are renamed T-72EAS and sent to Kiev.

According to the American publication Forbes, in Ukraine, which once itself produced a significant number of T-72 tanks, there is practically no equipment of this type left. However, the Danish authorities promised to supply the Ukrainian Armed Forces with 15 of their T-72s, estimating this package of military support at more than half a billion dollars, while still adding several infantry fighting vehicles to the old Soviet tanks, as well as a small number drones and ammunition.

The American publication notes that the modernized T-72EAС are not inferior in their characteristics to Western vehicles, but have the advantage of being easy to use. In addition, Ukraine is experiencing an acute shortage of tanks, and there are still hundreds of T-72 units left in the warehouses of the former Warsaw Pact countries, each of which can be modernized.

Thus, the Soviet T-72, as well as their variants modernized in the Czech Republic, help compensate for the scarcity of supplies of German Leopard 2 tanks by NATO countries to Ukraine.

According to Western experts, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have already lost at least 11 Leopard 2 tanks, but 14 more are expected to be delivered as replacements over the next year. In addition, the Ukrainian army has a small number of British and American tanks, and also received about 200 units of weakly protected Leopard 1 tanks.

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[South Ukrainian]

In short, we tried to fight with Western tanks and realized that they were not suitable for this theater of operations.

[K._2]

It's sad, she's 72, they can fight better than on the vaunted foreign...

[alexoff]

Apparently the remote control is poorly welded to the foreign one. In general, judging by the wiki, weighing yourself down with DZ is our tradition; in the West it is rare

[Kuroneko]

Well, multilayer anti-cumulative armor, and even smooth-bore tank guns were also first introduced in the USSR, on the T-62.
And the first KAZ in the world was also Soviet (Soviet Jews who fled to Israel carried away our developments in their beaks, on the basis of which they made their Trophy).

[Escariot]

Quote: Kuroneko

Well, multilayer anti-cumulative armor, and even smooth-bore tank guns were also first introduced in the USSR, on the T-62.
And the first KAZ in the world was also Soviet (Soviet Jews who fled to Israel carried away our developments in their beaks, on the basis of which they made their Trophy).

Actually, it was not the KAZ that was taken to Israel, but the DZ. And in Israel, remote sensing systems were adopted earlier than in the USSR. Already based on the results of operation in Israel, the USSR decided to start promoting the topic of remote sensing. Until that time, Soviet military commanders were against the DZ because it interferes with the use of infantry and tanks in the same formation, and also interferes with tank landings.

[cat-begemot]

I wouldn’t worry too much about the supply of “modernized” tanks. In the first place is the issue of having trained and fired crews, as well as ammunition and fuel for them.

[blackGRAIL]

According to the American publication Forbes, in Ukraine, which once itself produced a significant number of T-72 tanks

Ukraine has never produced the T-72.

[Alexga]

Ukraine has never produced the T-72.

It didn’t produce, but the Kharkov TRZ and the Darnitsa TRZ carried out major repairs, and they had a lot of repair stock.

[Skobaristan]

Did Denmark have 72 ki? Or how

[blackGRAIL]

This is a crooked translation by the author of VO. Denmark (15 tanks), the Netherlands and the USA (90 tanks between them) have (already) allocated funds for the modernization of old T-72s and paid for the Czech CSG Defense to modernize them. Perhaps someone else will participate. The source of the old tanks was not indicated in the original article. 105 tanks have already been paid for, 15 are ready to ship. There are several hundred T-72s in European warehouses.

The American publication notes that the modernized T-72EAС are not inferior in their characteristics to Western vehicles, but have the advantage of being easy to use.

Lies and ad-libs of the author VO. The American publication, as usual, criticizes the shortcomings of the T-72 and writes that modernization will not eliminate them and will only improve the situation with the control system, protection (DZ) and engine.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/10/29/as-ukraine-loses-more-and-more-of-its-best-leopard-2-tanks-its-turning-back-to-old-t-72s/?sh=2bc3c1502576

[Dmitry Bolotsky]

I'll add. The original article separately states that Denmark makes its contribution of 500 thousand free of charge, thus paying for part of Western supplies.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Dmitry Bolotsky

that Denmark makes its contribution of 500 thousand free of charge

Well, if they sell 15 E72 for half a lard, then it’s fashionable to make a contribution of 500 thousand

[Arkadich]

Last week, when there was talk for the first time about the transfer of tanks by Denmark, information was heard that they were being transferred free of charge or simply for nothing.

[alexoff]

Quote from: blackGRAIL

There are several hundred T-72s in warehouses in Europe.

what hasn't been sent yet? Or did they send everything that was in use, and these were the ones that required repair? Last year it seemed like everything was scraped out, they even took it from Morocco for spare parts

[bayard]

Quote from: blackGRAIL

. The American publication, as usual, criticizes the shortcomings of the T-72 and writes that modernization will not eliminate them and will only improve the situation with the control system, protection (DZ) and engine.

And what are the shortcomings of the T-72 in terms of security? In the frontal projection they are practically not inferior to the Leo-2, but in all other projections the security of the T-72 is much higher. Against him 80 mm. what do we see on the sides of the Abrams and Leo-2? At most 35 - 40 mm.
What is the thickness of the upper frontal part of the Abrams? 20 - 30 millimeters? Yes, at a very large angle... what if the blow comes from above? And now there are a lot of things flying from above. What is the thickness of the tower roof? Oops yes there is no more than 20 mm. !! And the T-72 has about 40 mm. Therefore, elements of dynamic protection are calmly installed on the roof of his tower... But at 15 - 20 mm. The “Abrams” is somehow even scary... it will break inadvertently... just as the sides of the 1/2 BMP of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were broken back in 2014 - 2015.
What else do we have there... cross-country ability?
Thrust-to-weight ratio? Well, it directly depends on the engine.
OMS? So they seem to change it during modernization.
So, as a base, the T-72 is much more profitable in a war in the European (and all other) theaters of operations.
And the author did not sin at all against the truth.
And it was the T-72, even Western sponsors, who were convinced of the advantages for the supply of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in practice. Much cheaper and more efficient in all respects.

[alexoff]

Here the leopards and their Swedish cousins ​​are burning again, apparently they don’t feel sorry for the Germans. And they saved the Abrams and Challengers for the new year.
By the way, the Slovenian T55s have disappeared somewhere, there should have been several dozen of them, do you feel sorry for them too?

[Mikhail Maslov]

There were occasional flashes near Rabotino, although I saw it once on video and once Banderlog called for the transfer of these tanks. But from where and where it is not clear.

[Tim666]

Quote: South Ukrainian

In short, we tried to fight with Western tanks and realized that they were not suitable for this theater of operations.

Well, yes, 80 Leo-2 sounds powerful, considering the length of the front, how much is it for 1 km?

[Kusja]

They won’t stretch it across the entire front. They will concentrate it in one place and conduct a demonstration breakthrough for the pump. They are no strangers to getting into the meat grinder. It’s another matter if one fist is followed by another, and it will be somewhere not where the tokmok is, but to the left or to the right. Across the frozen steppe...

[woodcutter]

You might think they disdained the T72 before this. They take what they give.

[LeutnantTom]

Now it is important for Russia to quickly end the conflict either militarily or through negotiations.
The German War/Defense Minister called on the German population that society in Germany must prepare for war. It should not be forgotten that last year the German Minister of Defense already shouted that the free world was at war with Russia.
This means that some Western military ministers are preparing for war with Russia.

To prevent further escalation of the conflict in eastern Ukraine, Russia must quickly force the Ukrainian military to surrender.

[Irokez]

Quote from LeutnantTom

either by military means or through negotiations.

No negotiations - complete capitulation.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote from LeutnantTom

Now it is important for Russia to quickly end the conflict either by military means, or through negotiations.

In Kyiv, there is no one to talk to, and there is nothing to talk about, and you won’t be able to talk with mattresses because... they don't know how to read. So there is only one option left - to beat the crap out of the Banderlogs by military means, until their curators see the loss of significant Ukrainian territories and the deprivation of access to the Black Sea.

[Vita vko]

Quote: Nyrobsky

curators will not see the loss of significant Ukrainian territories and the deprivation of it

Yes, from the big bell tower they don’t care about Ukrainian and European losses. As long as there is an opportunity to make money from the war, as long as this war keeps the American currency afloat, as long as the United States will fight all over the world. For them, the main thing is the process of extracting funds and supplies and green fanatics.

[Arkadich]

Russia must quickly force the Ukrainian armed forces to surrender.

Why is anyone against it, but how? Can you suggest some options?

[Dmitry Naezzhikh]

Let's start with the fact that Kyiv needs to be razed to the ground, everyone feels too at ease there, all sorts of people are coming.

[al3x]

What did one of the most ancient and historically valuable cities of Rus' do to you? It is not the cities that need to be destroyed, but the political system that is hostile to us needs to be reformatted. Since we got involved in this topic called SVO. Otherwise, all this will drag on for decades with varying degrees of intensity. Social engineering gurus have worked very meticulously on Ukrainian society. It is a pity that we do not have technologists of the same high rank, so that there would be victories not only at the front, but also victories in the struggle for the consciousness of people in the right parts of the globe. The fact that some people verbally support us is not the result of the work of social engineers, but simply because their opinions coincide on some issues.

[LeutnantTom]

Can you suggest any options?

Surrender by negotiation!
Foresight is the best strategy, especially if you save Russian soldiers from death.
But also in an economic sense, because Russia absolutely needs qualified personnel. All or most of the soldiers could return to civilian life.
To ensure the security of the new autonomous republics, a wall should be built between the GDR and the Federal Republic of Germany, as was the case then.
It is not necessary to destroy all of Ukraine, it is enough to remove Zelensky and his Nazi henchmen.

[Arkadich]

Surrender by negotiation

Not a working option. Don’t you know that Zelensky banned negotiations with Putin and even enshrined this in law?
More options? For

Russia must quickly force the Ukrainian armed forces to surrender.

[LeutnantTom]

This has been known for a long time, but Zelensky is up to his neck in water.
- The United States began transporting 155-mm shells intended for Ukraine to Israel.
- Zelensky’s apartment has been sold
- Zelensky’s soldiers are going on strike more and more often.
- Slovakia, Greece and Hungary boycott EU financial support for Zelensky
- On November 3, Polish airlines plan to strike on the border with Ukraine. If previously they were limited to one checkpoint, now they plan to block all existing entrances from Ukraine. The strike is expected to last for two months.
- etc. etc.

Zelensky will have no choice but to negotiate with Putin. Or Zelensky will go into exile, he has enough villas, one in Italy, one in Saudi Arabia.

[Huarabey]

Yes, they are not preparing for war, but they are whipping up hysteria and stirring up the fact that it is Russia that is still the “World Evil.” It is necessary to somehow distract the public from the atrocities that the Yankees and Israelis are committing in Palestine. So they are trying.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Danish authorities promised to supply the Ukrainian Armed Forces with 15 of their T-72s, while estimating this package of military support at more than half a billion dollars

The brain refuses to understand these Gay Europeans! That is, they supply Leopold tanks as “indestructible help”... and old Soviet tanks for money?

[Victor19]

So Ukraine will not give them anything, no money. They, like Ostap, will write a receipt that they received the chairs and that’s it, voila.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Victor19

They, like Ostap, will write a receipt that they received the chairs and that’s it, voila.

it’s not with Gazprom, it won’t work there, they’ll squeeze out every last penny, though only if the trousers are whitened

[Escariot]

Quote: Peter_Koldunov

Danish authorities promised to supply the Ukrainian Armed Forces with 15 of their T-72s, while estimating this package of military support at more than half a billion dollars

The brain refuses to understand these Gay Europeans! That is, they supply Leopold tanks as “indestructible help”... and old Soviet tanks for money?

It's more likely a problem with your brain. The Ukrainian Armed Forces are very VERY short of material and they take almost everything they can get. If they are given M-60s, they will not refuse them. In the end, the Ukrainian army has grown 3-4 times over the last year and a half, which means that they need 3-4 times more tanks than before the Northern Military District.

[garik77]

Quote: K._2

It's sad, she's 72, they can fight better than on the vaunted foreign...

It's not clear at all. It seems that Leopards and other Challengers went because Soviet tanks ran out. They write here about some newly discovered reserves. Some kind of crap turns out.

[Revolver]

Quote: garik77

They write here about some newly discovered reserves. Some kind of crap turns out.

Well, why the crap? The former fraternal armies of the Department of Internal Affairs had a number of unusable T-72s. Now they have scraped together some money to give to the Czechs for modernization, which will return them to a relatively good condition. But they did not agree to modernize for free or under Zelensky’s promise to pay with reparations that he dreams of getting from Russia.

[Carlos Hall]

Looks like the German tanks didn't last long.

[voyaka uh]

They are at the front.
Of the 72, approximately 60 are fighting.

[coinsam]

shooting from closed positions?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Danish authorities promised to supply the Ukrainian Armed Forces with 15 of their T-72s, while estimating this package of military support at more than half a billion dollars

good shavarny have money

[Pavel57]

Did the Moroccan T-72s reach Europe?

[opposite28]

Thus, the Soviet T-72, as well as their variants modernized in the Czech Republic, help compensate for the scarcity of supplies of German Leopard 2 tanks by NATO countries to Ukraine.

Soon the tank plant will start operating in the west of Ukraine, and then the Ukrainian tank fagots (units) will begin to live like a master, until the first arrival of a large-caliber flower pot. And on the Soviet Leopard 1 they will install Kontakt-1 instead of the Trophy protection system vaunted on the Internet, there is no need to indulge in frills. Based on the experience of the latest Israeli-Palestinian confrontation, the Trophy system installed on Merkava tanks, by the way, is not very functional, but there was a notable advertisement on the VO website as well...

[voyaka uh]

“Based on the experience of the latest Israeli-Palestinian confrontation, the Trophy system installed on Merkava tanks, by the way, is not very functional,” ///
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Trophy eliminates lateral threats from all directions.
But she has a dead zone above the tower when attacking from above.

[Oleg Apushkin]

We have ammunition and it burns, the main thing is to destroy the crews so that there is no experience.

[Alexey Lamonov]

Are there Soviet tanks lying around Europe on every corner?

[Escariot]

Quote: Alexey Lamonov

Are there Soviet tanks lying around Europe on every corner?

Well, yes. The T-72 was the main export tank of the USSR, plus it was produced under license in Czechoslovakia, Poland and Yugoslavia in a total quantity of about 2000 units.

[Victor Gubankov]

The Soviet military industry takes pride.

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

Again news from the category “not the Volga, but a hundred rubles.” The modernization of the T-72 was ordered to the Czechs even before the first Western tanks entered the Armed Forces of Ukraine.