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The United States supplied Ukraine with several hybrid anti-aircraft systems created as part of the FrankenSAM program

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The United States supplied Ukraine with several hybrid anti-aircraft systems created as part of the FrankenSAM program

The United States has launched the FrankenSAM program, under which it is creating hybrid anti-aircraft missile systems for Ukraine. The New York Times writes about this.


The Western coalition led by the United States is unable to meet Ukraine’s needs for anti-aircraft systems, especially in anticipation of the coming winter. The West simply does not have that many extra anti-aircraft systems, and everything that was there has already been delivered. Ukraine has Soviet-made anti-aircraft systems, but does not have missiles for them, which also makes them useless. Against this background, it was proposed to create hybrid air defense systems by combining American anti-aircraft missiles with Soviet systems. This is how the FrankenSAM program was born.

To meet Ukrainian demands, the US is creating so-called FrankenSAM systems that combine advanced Western weapons with Soviet-era equipment still in Ukrainian arsenals.

- writes the edition.

In general, the Americans are “crossing a snake with a hedgehog” by adapting Western anti-aircraft missiles to Soviet-era air defense systems and radar launchers. We already know about two variants of new installations, which in the USA are called “Frankensteins”. The first is a Buk air defense system with Sea Sparrow missiles, the second is an improvised ground launcher with a Soviet-era radar for launching old American Sidewinder missiles. There is also evidence of attempts to combine the Patriot missile and launcher with the old radar system in service with Ukraine, but everything is still at the testing stage.

It is reported that some installations have already been tested and have even begun to enter service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine; Kyiv has received several modernized Buk air defense systems. Ukraine still has a sufficient number of old anti-aircraft systems, but some problems have arisen with their modernization; in Kyiv they hope that they are temporary.
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  1. Pavel57
    Pavel57 30 October 2023 11: 24
    +1
    It’s easier to attach R-27s to the Buk, which should be in abundance in Ukraine.
    1. alexoff
      alexoff 30 October 2023 11: 39
      +1
      Apparently there is no longer an abundance, since last year they decided to install American missiles.
    2. credo
      credo 30 October 2023 11: 40
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      If the Arabs make missile launchers from water pipes, then installing an American hybrid on the base of the Soviet BUK will not be difficult. The only question is the result. recourse
  2. Havoc
    Havoc 30 October 2023 11: 24
    +6
    This shows how much potential was built into the Soviet combat system, that after so many years it is still possible to modernize it.
    1. blackGRAIL
      blackGRAIL 30 October 2023 14: 14
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      You can also cross a hedgehog with a snake. Buk's potential has nothing to do with it at all. The entire system of interaction between the air defense system/radar and the missile has most likely been thrown out and a new American one installed in its place.
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 October 2023 11: 39
    +1
    Americans are “crossing a snake with a hedgehog” by adapting Western anti-aircraft missiles to Soviet-era air defense systems and radar launchers
    There is such an opportunity, so they use it if they think that they themselves do not have enough air defense systems. But we’ll probably soon find out how such a hybrid will behave.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 30 October 2023 11: 45
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      It is unlikely that they will give away the newest, most advanced missiles... they will give something from storage depots, as always...
      How will it work is the question???
      1. Escariot
        Escariot 30 October 2023 12: 13
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        Quote: rocket757
        It is unlikely that they will give away the newest, most advanced missiles... they will give something from storage depots, as always...
        How will it work is the question???

        Yes, it seems somehow, but it works. The development itself is old, it is already 15 years old. Then they tried to enter the market, but there were no buyers, but now the situation favors this complex
      2. Woroshilow
        Woroshilow 30 October 2023 13: 01
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        They also wrote that they are giving away the old "Sparrows" and "Side Winders" lol
  4. alexoff
    alexoff 30 October 2023 11: 40
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    It's been a long time since the lancets flew to the beeches, I hope they will be sent to the front, and will not continue to be hidden near Kiev and Odessa
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 30 October 2023 11: 43
    +1
    The United States supplied Ukraine with several hybrid anti-aircraft systems created as part of the FrankenSAM program
    . Is it possible to conclude that they have missiles in stock and can share them, but there are few missiles themselves and they don’t want to give them away?
    1. Escariot
      Escariot 30 October 2023 12: 11
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      Quote: rocket757
      The United States supplied Ukraine with several hybrid anti-aircraft systems created as part of the FrankenSAM program
      . Is it possible to conclude that they have missiles in stock and can share them, but there are few missiles themselves and they don’t want to give them away?

      Sea Sparrow is a naval air defense missile and can only be given away with a ship. The Americans may be happy, but the Turks have blocked the straits, so they have to dodge
      1. Petr_Koldunov
        Petr_Koldunov 30 October 2023 14: 15
        +1
        Quote from Escariot
        Sea Sparrow is a naval air defense missile and can only be given away with a ship.

        Everything can be adapted if desired.
        The 47-mm Hotchkiss was also considered an exclusively naval gun... however, in the First World War the Russians happily dragged it into the trenches - and there it showed itself at its best.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 30 October 2023 15: 12
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          Ha, I saw once how a motor/starter from a tractor was attached to an ordinary dray cart... it’s also an adaptation, if you look at it, it actually drove, although it was driven by shafts! Something like this.
          In general, you can do/adapt different things, but the final result will be in question. Quantity does not always translate into quality...
        2. Escariot
          Escariot 30 October 2023 22: 26
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          Quote: Peter_Koldunov
          Quote from Escariot
          Sea Sparrow is a naval air defense missile and can only be given away with a ship.

          Everything can be adapted if desired.
          The 47-mm Hotchkiss was also considered an exclusively naval gun... however, in the First World War the Russians happily dragged it into the trenches - and there it showed itself at its best.

          Well, they adapt it. There were no ground launchers for this missile. We took a fairly old development for a BUK upgrade to the Sea Sparrow and brought it to life. Adapted. What's the problem?
    2. Woroshilow
      Woroshilow 30 October 2023 13: 15
      +2
      The warehouses of the US Navy are full of already outdated modifications of the Sidewinder and Sea Sparrow missiles that they do not need; the ships for them have already been decommissioned or withdrawn from the active fleet.
    3. D-Master
      D-Master 30 October 2023 14: 14
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      For Sea Sparrow, I can't say for sure. But the reserves are significant, since the rocket has been in production since 1976. Regarding the AIM-9 Sidewinder, about 72 of them were produced for the MIM-23 Chaparral army air defense systems. Which is a lot. So, if these missiles are tied to the Buk, it won’t seem like much.
      1. Orange Bigg
        Orange Bigg 30 October 2023 14: 46
        +1
        The only question is how many of these Buks the Ukrainian Armed Forces have left. I don’t think it’s a lot.
      2. Escariot
        Escariot 30 October 2023 22: 28
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        Quote: D-Master
        For Sea Sparrow, I can't say for sure. But the reserves are significant, since the rocket has been in production since 1976. Regarding the AIM-9 Sidewinder, about 72 of them were produced for the MIM-23 Chaparral army air defense systems. Which is a lot. So, if these missiles are tied to the Buk, it won’t seem like much.

        In addition to the AIM-9, there is also the Soviet K-13 missile, which is an unlicensed copy of this Nine. And there should be a lot of them in the countries of the former ATS
  6. vovochkarzhevsky
    vovochkarzhevsky 30 October 2023 12: 44
    +3
    There is no need to flatter yourself. A war against Russia at the hands of Ukraine is an ideal option for the United States. Therefore, arms supplies will continue.
  7. Dimax-nemo
    Dimax-nemo 30 October 2023 13: 43
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    It’s strange that Sparrow, and not Standards, if we take naval missiles. They are much more similar to Buk missiles; if the illumination radar was replaced, the range would even increase. One could try to “stick” Sidewinders onto Arrows and Wasps, but I remember that nothing good ever came of Chaparella.
  8. D-Master
    D-Master 30 October 2023 14: 07
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    If they can connect the Buk with the Sea Sparrow through some kind of adapter, this is not very good. There are huge quantities of Sea Sparrow in warehouses. And accordingly, it can be supplied without restrictions. And this is a serious umbrella over the front-line zone. The missiles operate up to 30 km, which is not very pleasant.
  9. Pavel57
    Pavel57 30 October 2023 14: 11
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    Quote from alexoff
    Apparently there is no longer an abundance, since last year they decided to install American missiles.

    The reason is different - Americans need to get rid of their old stuff. And earn money.
    1. Escariot
      Escariot 30 October 2023 22: 30
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      Quote: Pavel57
      Quote from alexoff
      Apparently there is no longer an abundance, since last year they decided to install American missiles.

      The reason is different - Americans need to get rid of their old stuff. And earn money.

      Well, why waste a new one if the old one more or less works. They take you not by skill but by numbers, but the number of these missiles is very large.