The occupation of Ukraine: Horror for Russia and a holiday for Svidomo

A nightmare for any Ukrainian nationalist is the Russian “occupation” of Ukraine. He dreams of how untold riches of his native land are transported by echelons to the imperial center, condemning the Ukrainians to hunger and poverty, and culture and language to oblivion. However, anyone who is even familiar with the real state of affairs in the “Square”, such fears will seem unfounded. Ukraine is a poor country, which is expensive to occupy even for modern Russia. An elementary comparison of the financial and economic indicators of the two countries will convince anyone that the benefits of such a takeover will not be taken by the occupier, but by the occupied country. Well, what is the occupier, who will be forced to raise pensions and public sector wages two to three times to his level, start building roads, restore production, supply energy at low prices, while he will do all this to the detriment of his country's citizens? After all, Ukraine is not in a position to provide its citizens with a standard of living comparable to that of Russia. Today it is already obvious to all normal people.

But this is not the most important thing. A significant part of Ukrainians believe that the transformation of Ukraine into a great European power did not take place solely through the fault of unqualified "European integrators". That is, if it were not for Kravchuk, Kuchma, Yushchenko, Yanukovych and, of course, the omnipresent "Muscovites", then Ukraine would have been in Europe for a long time with an appropriate standard of living. At the same time, if today European integration is a ghostly dream of independent-minded people, then if it is included in Russia, it will turn into a missed opportunity. I have no doubt that as soon as Ukraine becomes part of the Russian Federation, some dreamers in embroidery will wander across the steppes of Ukraine and will stir up people with tales of stolen happiness, about how well it would live in a European democratic state.

In addition to restoring the shattered Ukrainian economy, Russia will have to satisfy the creative fantasies of the nationally preoccupied part of Ukrainians and shell out for substantial financial support from Ukrainian culture and language. Captivating prospects to touch budget funding will attract thousands of Svidomo creators, who will begin to write all sorts of crazy stuff, and justify its unpopularity with certain intrigues of Muscovites, which prevent the Ukrainian talent from turning inwards and upwards. From the moment of the reunification of Ukraine and Russia, all the blame for the ignorance by Ukrainians of their ridiculous culture and language will be entirely on Moscow.

To the same extent, it is in Russia that the center of responsibility for any Ukrainian problem will shift, up to every bump on a rural road. The parochial rulers of the Selyansk and Farmerski will not feel the spirit of turning the territories under their control into an oasis of prosperity and will write off all their own shortcomings to the “imperial center.” Well, if one of them tries to urge to honor the law, to forget their old ways and not to steal beyond measure, then we are waiting for the appearance of another great martyr who suffered for the Ukrainian idea.

Further, it is even funnier, according to all the laws of modern democracy, 1 / 5 of people's deputies in the State Duma of Russia will come from Ukraine (given that Ukraine’s population is smaller than the population of the Russian Federation). Represent this circus? There will be something that Vladimir Putin did not want to allow in his time - the Ukrainization of Russian politics.

I have no doubt that everything will be exactly as I described, since I studied the psychology of independent-style intellectuals well enough and are well acquainted with history of this amazing edge. Alas, the occupation of Ukraine is not threatened, and this is the biggest nuisance for the residents of the failed state.

I would not describe why the fears of Svidomo Ukrainians are unfounded if we did not have those who dream of the immediate reunification of Ukraine and Russia. At the same time, their number is growing in proportion to the growth of nationalist sentiments in Ukraine, the pressure of Ukrainization, and, most importantly, the drop in the living standards of the population. Pro-Russian citizens of Ukraine see in Russia that saving straw, for which you can grasp and get rid of the demoniac Ukrainian nationalists forever, as well as solve the country's financial and economic problems.

Russophiles do not want to understand that at this stage for the vast part of Ukrainian society, even allied relations with Russia are unacceptable. Is it really not clear that not only the former Austro-Hungarian province of Galicia is infected with nationalism and Russophobia, but the rest of Ukraine, albeit to a lesser degree? After twenty years of active anti-Russian, anti-Russian propaganda in Ukraine there are no regions not infected with Russophobia. Ukraine and Russia are not a divided German people of the GDR and the Federal Republic of Germany, but a people who have lost their kinship with each other. Before talking about reunification, it is necessary to at least return that “fraternal friendship of nations” that existed during the Soviet era.

Modern Ukraine is a territory of mass infection with svidomizm, the main symptom of which is Russophobia. Not Russia should treat this infection, but ourselves. We, Russians and Ukrainians, should return to the feeling of a single country, a common cause, which has been corroded from us for many decades. The problems of history and the Russian language are our internal problems, and we, the citizens of Ukraine, have to solve them. Any intervention by Russia will be viewed as an unfriendly act.

But why this conversation? The proposals of the Russian leadership to Ukraine have already been drawn up, they boil down to the creation of a Common Economic Space and the Customs Union, with the subsequent transformation into the Eurasian Union. Russia has no other plans for Ukraine, and probably will not, if the Ukrainian state maintains itself as a whole.

Comments

[Alexander Romanov]

No matter how the Natsiks blather, but Ukraine still enters the CU, there simply is no other choice. Dreams about the EU will remain, only dreams
Some articles about Ukraine are too much, maybe a hint to Yanukovych. That it’s time to tear your ass off the chair and start doing business.

[Papakiko]

Almost a topic, but a joy!

URGENT-URGENT-URGENT
Look in "google maps"
Everett. PC. Washington. water area "Puget Sound" (Pusseshen Sound)
On a scale of 20 meters.
There is a half-submerged number 72 "Abraham Lincoln" at the Quay

ps / relevance is not known.

There's a December shot, Norfolk.
http://nosikot.livejournal.com/904164.html

[Dmitry23RUS]

Papakiko,

Quote: Papakiko

Almost a topic, but a joy!

URGENT-URGENT-URGENT
Look in "google maps"
Everett. PC. Washington. water area "Puget Sound" (Pusseshen Sound)
On a scale of 20 meters.
There is a half-submerged number 72 "Abraham Lincoln" at the Quay

ps / relevance is not known.

There's a December shot, Norfolk.
http://nosikot.livejournal.com/904164.html

Nothing more he tilted his nose into the water Chtoli got a hole ??

[Misantrop]

Quote: Dmitry23RUS

Chtoli got a hole ??

The salary of the crew brought in cash

[dima1970]

I got this April Fools' humor of a single comrade. Inserts everywhere.

[revnagan]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Some articles about Ukraine are too much, maybe a hint to Yanukovych. That it’s time to tear your ass off the chair and start doing business.

But does Yanyk read Voennoye Obozreniye?

[Kars]

Quote: revnagan

But does Yanyk read Voennoye Obozreniye?

I read.

And probably soon I’ll catch fire. Every day of the article about Ukraine. Yesterday two, today three.

It’s breathtaking as for the simple people of the Russian Federation (there are few Ukrainians here, and those mostly still about SOVIET ones) create the preconditions to feel like an older brother, to sympathize with the poor poor unfortunate Ukrainians (oh there is no such nationality, there is a part of one people that the Galicians have rimmed.)
And some of us think that if they come to the Russian Federation they will receive free cheese and donations — all of them would give them to Chechnya later and the United States will sponsor through the Stabilization Fund. But then they will blame you for crawling, parasites, without you, and Our children are in the same barracks with the Dagestanis and other natives, and in the trenches of Syria or some other whim of the great-empire policy of the Russian Federation.

So these statues have clear objectives, but the most interesting thing is that I treat Russians very well, and I always tried to defend them on Ukrainian sites, I have been (and now, UNTIL) against NATO and close European integration, but as I read this stream of writing, I start more and more understand Svidomo (although clowns of freedom impose on me)

[Beltar]

And in what to understand?
Objectively, life is worse. Because in Svidomo tantrums about her you will not go far.
And where did you get the idea that all subsidies to Chechnya will be? And in general, an interesting approach, we ourselves cannot, so let us either the EU feeds, or Russia, but Russia "feeds the Caucasus." Anything just not to work. Actually, this is the main vector of the Ukrainian "elite", starting with the hetmans, maximum subsidies, and no responsibility. But why should we listen to these same hetmans, when the people said everything in the Pereyaslav Rada.

[Kars]

Quote: Beltar

Anyway, we can’t do an interesting approach ourselves, so let the EU or us feed us

You address this question to those who groan that Ukraine without the TC / Russia will disappear and want to unite.
I declare independence and the use of ALL the opportunity from COOPERATION with the EU and the Russian Federation.

Quote: Beltar

when the people said everything back in the Pereyaslav Rada.

It’s like in the issue of PTR, learn history.

Quote: Crest-MSC

Dear Kars

Reread my comments, there is no sense in repeating.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Kars

You address this question to those who groan that Ukraine without the TC / Russia will disappear and want to unite.

Under Kuchma, the president and Yanukovych, the premiere of Ukraine in development was in first place among the post-Soviet republics (1% like China at that time) and there was no kind of anti-Russian acute politics, but someone didn’t like it and Yushchenko appeared who didn’t slightly affect the economy, divided Ukraine into Western and Eastern. So who benefits from this, Ukrainians, Russians?
To kill education, industry, and then, like the Spanish konskistadors, to change trinkets for gold, this is what Western puppeteers need.
And I repeat again, we are fraternal peoples.

[Val_y]

I agree with you, my brotherly peoples and we will remain them. However, the principle of divide and conquer has not been canceled by anyone. And they put both Yushch and Saakashvili, for this, to divide. Now in Ukraine there is an exclusively corrupt government, army, police, etc. etc. Thank God that the theme of reunification began to sway (even in the context of this scraper). By the way, the monuments to Catherine were set no matter what in Odessa and Sevastopol

[Khokhol-MSC]

Dear Kars.
You would at least sort out this stream of consciousness. And then those sensible thoughts that slip among the myths and legends are lost in confusion.

[postman]

Sorry, I apologize for those obdos (probably of the same nationality and citizenship as me) who write such slurp in such keys
In principle, this comment says:
http://topwar.ru/22701-rossiya-kovarnyy-vrag-i-okkupant-a-my-samye-drevnie-chemu

-uchat-detey-v-shkolah-stran-sng.html # comment-id-820478

Although this is from Kazakhstan.

[Garrin]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

, maybe a hint to Yanukovych. that it’s time to tear your ass off the chair and start doing business.

IMHO: Yanyk his ass is not the master. Others use it.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Garrin

IMHO: Yanyk his ass is not the master. Others use it.

Isn't it a shame to write this to a man? I remembered the jackal Tabaki from the cartoon "Mowgli".

[Garrin]

Quote: gladiatorakz

Isn't it a shame to write this to a man? I remembered the jackal Tabaki from the cartoon "Mowgli".

I am ashamed to behave like the last ... And write? I am writing as it is. Shnyr Akhmetovsky.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Garrin

. And to write? I am writing as it is

And the words are not deeds?

[Dmitry23RUS]

I explain to everyone who thinks that the article is incorrect, when relatives from Ukraine come to me, they are shocked by the fact that our regular conductor (by our standards the poor man) earns as much as the manager at the bank.

[Garrin]

Quote: Dmitry23RUS

I explain to everyone who thinks that the article is incorrect, when relatives from Ukraine come to me, they are shocked by the fact that our regular conductor (by our standards the poor man) earns as much as the manager at the bank.

"I'd go to the conductors. Let them teach me." Where is it?

[Dmitry23RUS]

Garrin,

Quote: Garrin

"I'd go to the conductors. Let them teach me." Where is it?

Krasnodar

[Kosmodrom]

OTK controller salary in MotorSich 2000 Gr

[Kars]

Quote: Kosmodrom

OTK controller in MotorSich 2000 Gr

classmate with a turner on the motor works --- 3.5--4

[atalef]

Quote: Kosmodrom

OTK controller salary in MotorSich 2000 Gr

Mother-in-law, head of department in the clinic - 900 hryvnia. Tears and laughter for Kiev. if we don’t send 300 bucks a month, I don’t know how they would make ends meet.

[Garrin]

Quote: Dmitry23RUS

Krasnodar

Thank. Now far away, but closer to retirement, I think.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Dmitry23RUS

I explain to everyone who thinks that the article is incorrect, when relatives from Ukraine come to me, they are shocked by the fact that our regular conductor (by our standards the poor man) earns as much as the manager at the bank.

That is, if in the USA or the EU they earn more than in the Russian Federation, then they too can afford it? Vietnam is even poorer, but it’s not being traded.
(The first desire was to write Russia in a capital letter, but decided not to become like)

[Ascetic]

Quote: gladiatorakz

(The first desire was to write Russia in a capital letter, but decided not to become like)

The site is strictly prohibited:

b) .... derogatory mention of Russia and Russianness

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Ascetic

The site is strictly prohibited:

b) .... the mention of Russia and Russianness in a derogatory form

Yes, I never had a desire. Many friends. And he wrote, so that it might come to someone that disrespectful attitude cannot give birth to anything fraternal.

[Simon]

Yes, of course, you can live in the "occupation", but well-fed or have your own homeland, which no one takes away from you and live hungry. Your independent homeland does not care about its own people. And under the Union, Ukraine blossomed! Let the nationalists look at the Baltics, how they live "free" under the watchful eye of the European Union and America. There were the most prosperous in the Union, and now the poor, but proud and fled from the occupation.

[atalef]

Quote: Dmitry23RUS

that an ordinary conductor (by our standards, a poor man) earns as much as a manager in a bank.

Yes, relatives in Ukraine, it’s hard for them there.
Recently, a friend was in Simferopol, so there for some reason Turkish apples and potatoes are the same. Nick doesn’t really work, all collective farms are bankrupt. Maybe Ukraine is to blame for something, the people would have to work somehow. Of course, it’s not right to blame the people that he doesn’t work, after all he doesn’t draw jobs and a salary for himself, but they deserve the power they choose. Yanukovych (as relatives tell me) is one idle talk, but there’s no sense.
I don’t know what will fix the difficult situation in Ukraine, TS-? Or aliens can?
I wish them that this mess would soon end and fat would be cheaper than 40 hryvnia per kilo (5 bucks). better than Ukrainian fat, only Siberian dumplings

[Misantrop]

Quote: atalef

Recently, a friend was in Simferopol, so there for some reason Turkish apples and potatoes are the same. Nick doesn’t really work, all collective farms are bankrupt.

I wrote about this recently in one of the topics. Not everyone is bankrupt, but most barely survive. And food prices are such that it’s cheaper to bring from Turkey ...

[Nick]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Dreams of the EU will remain, only dreams

Only i-iots can now dream of the EU. Some EU countries are already dreaming of leaving, at least from the Euro zone.

[Ascetic]

Quote: Nick

Only i-iots can now dream of the EU. Some EU countries are already dreaming of leaving, at least from the Euro zone.

Basically, those who advocate for the EU dream of small petty bourgeois joys both here and in Ukraine. inexpensive fashion shops, cozy cafes, alpine ski resorts, French and Italian wines, Swiss watches, German cars, and Dutch cigarettes with grass. And these small philistine values ​​have become the meaning of life and the guiding star of so many of our people, having turned a great people and a great country into a ruin, in which the spirit of creativity, creation and freedom is still barely glowing. They argue that civilized Europe will simply come, give money in the form of loans, work high salaries according to the European standard .. And what can Russia give? Fi. Bydlyatnik..What has led and is leading us to the spread of Western laws, morals, fashion, traditions are clearly visible to everyone who benefits from them and who harms them .. It's just that many have illusions that by joining this fraudulent system they will certainly be more lucky than from the union with "unwashed" Russia.
All shit is coming to us from Europe for some reason. Well, for example
1.Serfdom from there. Acted on our lands from 1497 to 1861, and very much influenced the social confrontation. Before this, the Slavs had never known either slavery or serfdom.
2. Western credit and financial system, that existed before the Soviet government, and resumed its existence after the destruction of the USSR, also came from Europe, and is, in fact, not a means of economic accounting and exchange, but a tool of financial enslavement, and an unfair redistribution of resources, in favor of a minority owning or printing money.
3. Parliamentarism Our English-American model, except for a parody, does not turn into anything useful. The Duma and the Rada of the name are only primordial and the ESSENCE is a means of struggle for power, and lobbying the interests of certain small groups, As a result, discord and corruption instead of a conciliar Slavic self-government
4. Instead of the great historical cultural traditions, the western pop-ersatz Verok Serduchek, who thoroughly saturated our TV, Internet, press and advertising, (by the way, you will not find almost any Slavic person there)
Instead of original spiritual Slavic culture propaganda of violence, excesses, consumption, debauchery and cruelty.
And so on, what sphere do not take
So who wants to be a universal human being without roots and a homeland, welcome to the backyard of the EU (in the forefront of the trough everything is busy) for Eurobeds. As they say the last insignificance in a civilized city is probably better than equal among the first in a Slavic village.

[MG42]

Interesting article. Put +. The two countries will definitely benefit from the unification. But even if this does not happen, Ukraine will always be in the field of view of Russia. Count the pros and cons hmm. = here is an example of Germany and I had to spend money on unification, but in the end, the positive is obvious.

[Bykov.]

Quote: MG42

The two countries will definitely benefit from the unification.

And how do you think there are many Ukrainians among people who consider the same as you?
Suppose we hold a referendum tomorrow with the main question: - "Will they unite or not, with Russia into a single state, or union", what do you think the result can be?

[MG42]

I am not a sociologist. In the east and south they will support, in the north and west and in the center there is none.
Here was a poll, but can one be trusted? Sociology is paid and the sample may be the right people.
http://korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/1325211-opros-16-ukraincev-hoteli-by-o
bedineniya-ukrainy-i-rossii-v-edinoe-state
People are disappointed who chose Yanukovych, but Natsik is on the rise.

[Bykov.]

Thank you, something recently, a lot of attention is paid to the topic of unification, we will hope for a positive result.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Bulls.

Suppose - we hold a referendum tomorrow with the main question

The result will depend on who counts.

[MG42]

Medvedchuk rules this process. The law on the referendum in Ukraine is needed not by Yanukovych, but by the Customs Union.

Perhaps in this case it’s not too correct to use the phrase “the president wants to pass through the referendum the issue of joining the Customs Union”, because our president does not really want to. But he, apparently, should do this by virtue of certain agreements with the Russian leadership. And if the referendum does not take place or the issue does not receive the support of the majority of the population, then this will not be his fault. Rather, Viktor Yanukovych will even breathe a sigh of relief ...

http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_22389/

[11Goor11]

MG42
The two countries will definitely benefit from the unification.

+ + +
And after reading the article, two words "Russophobia" remained in my memory and, as a proposed remedy against it, "ukryanophobia"
Somehow I really want to shut my mouth with a dirty rag to all these "fobs".
Tear one people to pieces living with their far-fetched fears, tsuki.

[MG42]

11Goor11, 5 + >> succinctly said!
There is a pattern = Ukraine The EU actually ignored lately after EURO 2012, especially as a result of the landings of Tymoshenko and Lutsenko, even the summit was canceled, but as soon as progress began with the entry into the CU, Yanukovych became in demand = and they already deceived the summit with another carrot + they are still holding power there, they have stolen the money there, and in which case there will be a story like with Pasha Lazarenko = amers closed it for a long time, only now they released it. And naturally, the inspirer of this action of the USA is all sorts of Bzdezhinsky afraid of the restoration of the USSR in any form.

[LAO]

Compare Germany and Ukraine with Russia!
If two smarts come together, this is squared.
If you combine the two stupidities and thefts ... yourself figure out what will happen.
Our thieving morons with Russian moronic thieves ...
The people as vegetated so vegetate and will remain in poverty and lack of rights.
All associations on hand only to the propertied class - the oligarchs.

[11Goor11]

Yes, unite, and especially with Germany!
Sure, something stupid is hard to come up with
How do you say there if two smart ones unite? And in the second example, "two fools"? Where did the smart one from the first example (two smart ones) disappear right away in the second?
Your first phrase about Ukraine and Germany, in truth, will look like this: "a fool will unite with a greedy person - he will lose his own skin"
If a country is combined with the remnants of heavy industry owned by thieving oligarchs WITH GERMANY, Germany finds an approach to them, redeems this industry, cuts it into scrap metal, and gets rid of a competitor. It was already in Bulgaria that plants were cut, now they go to northern Europe to pick berries, although there is an alternative to wash Western Europeans' asses, but the trouble due to the crisis is paid less and less, competition is growing, soon as a bonus, so as not to get kicked out - lick have to. Good luck.

[Corsair5912]

You do not speak for Ukraine and for Russia, you speak for yourself.
Have you stolen a lot? Do your friends and relatives steal a lot? Probably all billionaires?
For 60 years, I personally have not taken a single penny from anyone, among my relatives and friends in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, there is not a single thief.
Therefore, for normal people, I see no obstacles to mutually beneficial cooperation between Ukraine, Belarus and Russia. And any nationalist Bandera-Shukhevych scum has long been time to rise or rise, soap, loop, crossbar.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Corsair5912

And any nationalist Bandera-Shukhevych scum has long been time to rise or rise, soap, loop, crossbar.

Corsair, with all due respect, you forgot the VERY important components - the resin. For these creatures in this ikebana too quickly lose their presentation. And they will have to be cleaned so as not to suffocate from the stench. Which will greatly contribute to their further heroization for the descendants of this scum

[Oleg Rosskiyy]

Quote: MG42

Germany’s example had to be spent on merging, but in the end, the positive is obvious.

It is, of course, that’s true, only Germany didn’t interfere with reunification, on the contrary, but Ukraine and Russia weren’t disconnected for this, you know.

[VadimSt]

For five years now, I have been keeping the Russian flag - my son brought it from Russia. There is something to meet - for whom there may be invaders, but for some liberators!

[Bykov.]

If the process of unification is supported by the majority of citizens, then meeting and not having anyone will happen by itself.
Passport issuance has already begun.

[marder]

So long ago already begun! No less than 15 years ago. Over these 15 years, just over 2000 thousand people have decided to obtain citizenship. I really hope that they feel good, wonderful and all that jazz. Just a mass exodus to the Promised Land

[Corsair5912]

Ukrainians are actively migrating to Russia and do not meet the slightest hostility and obstacles. Russians in Ukraine almost only go to visit relatives, and constantly encounter hostility. Even mentally normal, educated adult Ukrainians often squeal about some kind of Russian occupation of Ukraine and such stupid nonsense.
The level of zombies and ignorance of Ukrainians is incredibly high, Tymoshenko and Yushchenko did not spare budget money for this.

[marder]

A :-) And I have SCAR-L and Glock-17 civilian :-) Also there is something to meet. As they say, ur welcome!

[Garrin]

Quote: marder

A :-) And I have SCAR-L and Glock-17 civilian :-) Also there is something to meet. As they say, ur welcome!

ABOUT! Well, to such a nimble ... usually there was always an adequate answer.

[marder]

Dear, it’s you who are going to visit me uninvited, but I’m not soaping you, so I’ll repeat myself bon voyage, any friend

[Oleg Rosskiyy]

marder,

Quote: marder

so repeat at bon voyage, any friend

English as a part of Ukrainian language, or is it already your second native or even the first language?

[marder]

I have problems with English. “Bon voyage, Loving Friend” was a quote from VV's Spring album. Phrase have a nice trip - French, but not English. Once French was an obligatory language for the nobles of the Russian Empire, but for me it became the second most important due to certain life situations and was for some time more important than Russian and Ukrainian.

[MstislavHrabr]

I don’t go to Gamnyuk. I go to Ukraine to relatives and friends ... Home, to my roots ... And no looters are my decree in this ...

[marder]

Learn English, dear, my nickname is not an English word marauderbut German marder. Besides the fact that they have different spellings, they also have different meanings. I did not need to loot while serving in the army, but I did not serve in the Russian army :-)

And on a visit, a tourist, but to Ukraine - welcome! With great pleasure we will meet, tell, show, help :-) And do not take it as sarcasm. Kindly requested before Ukraine, good luck!

[cyberspace]

Quote: marder

And I have SCAR-L

They saw the fly.

we are able to deal with our problems ourselves.

Yes, understand who does not give you, only in 20 years of independence could something more be achieved than the installation of monuments to SS officers.

[marder]

What kind of monument are you talking about? About the one in the photo? So he was not an officer in the SS, he was just a drug addict.

[Garrin]

Quote: marder

So he was not an officer in the SS, he was just a drug addict.

And what's the difference SSman he was or a drug addict? The bottom line is that he was the ideologist and leader of those who collaborated with the Nazis, destroyed civilians and shot our grandfathers in the back.

[marder]

Well, in the picture is a monument to Admiral Kolchak. He also shot your grandfathers in the back and aided the American occupation forces in Vladivostok. Yes, and the civilian population destroyed - do not grieve mother! Or is it possible for him, but can’t be allowed to coronet-general Roman Shukhevych? Explain what is the difference? Moreover, note that the same Roman Shukhevych fought against the armed forces of a foreign state, and Mr. Kolchak fought against his own.

[Garrin]

Quote: marder

Well, in the picture is a monument to Admiral Kolchak

I thought it was Shukhevych. And if you want about Kolchak, let's in a separate branch.

[marder]

Dear, I do not want about Kolchak :-) This is your story and as for me - you, the peoples living in Russia, are able to decide who and what place to put. I have a desire for you to relate in the same way to my desire and the desire of my people to determine who and in what place should stand in my history. I do not think that even now in Grozny a monument to General Ermolov may appear. So why put monuments to Soviet soldiers in Western Ukraine? There is a place for the monument to Roman Shukhevych and Stepan Bandera. As well as it is not necessary to erect a monument to Mr. Shukhevych in Donetsk.

[Garrin]

Quote: marder

So why put monuments to Soviet soldiers in Western Ukraine? There is a place for the monument to Roman Shukhevych and Stepan Bandera. As well as it is not necessary to erect a monument to Mr. Shukhevych in Donetsk.

But then, that a Soviet soldier (including a Ukrainian) liberated this land from fascist filth.

[marder]

For the population of Galicia, soldiers of the Red Army were occupiers, occupying their homeland in 1939, the NKVD for 2 years very responsibly approached the class struggle in Western Ukraine and, with its attitude to the "liberated" "fraternal" Ukrainian people, brought love to a boiling point. In 1941, the Wehrmacht in Western Ukraine was met with flowers. When the Wehrmacht entered Paris, the Parisians cried, when the Wehrmacht entered Lviv, Western Ukrainians rejoiced. Do not you think that for the inhabitants of Western Ukraine the Red Army was an army conqueror? Moreover, the Wehrmacht flowers were met not only in Lviv, but also in Kiev, and Kharkov, and in Donetsk. By and large, by the time of the occupation of the Third Reich of the Ukrainian SSR by the troops, the Bolsheviks had so many got so many that anyone who was against them would be greeted with flowers. It turned out, however, that the Germans were much worse than the Bolsheviks ... But obviously not for the inhabitants of Galicia.

Do you really think that the same Shukhevych, Cook, Klyachkivsky could have fought against the authorities for a decade and a half after the end of the Second World War, if they had not been supported by the local population? The same thing is happening now in Chechnya. Do you really think that Mujahideen are sitting there only thanks to the support of the Arabs? And by the way, the same Hero of Russia, Mr. Kadyrov, committed much more nasty things against the Russians than Mr. Shukhevych. In any case, Shukhevych had no slaves, Shukhevych did not swear to reach Moscow, Shukhevych did not rape Russian women and men.

Dear sirs neighbors, the most earnest request - do not treat other nations requiring them to comply your expectations.

[Misantrop]

Judas meet anyone with flowers, if only he were against the existing government. In Crimea, the Tatars, too, were happy to welcome Germans. By the way, during the 1st defense of Sevastopol Crimean Tatars were not among the defenders of the city. But on the other hand, they served as guides of the invading forces. In the 2nd world - the same story. Before these wars, they tried to break away from the Horde, having arrived in the Crimea in their wagon train (for which their Kazan and Astrakhan Tatars can not stand). It would be strange if there were no such people among the population of Ukraine ...

Sucks another. In the entire history of modern civilization, the independent Ukrainian project has always had a very short and extremely sad history. And the chances that it will be successful at the current start are less and less ...

[marder]

Misantrop wrote:
Judas meet anyone with flowers, if only they were against the existing government

Hypothetical situation - power on the basis of owning a bicycle destroyed almost all cyclists. One of the cyclists is a person close to you, your bicycle was not noticed by luck and you managed to get rid of it. Another power comes that has nothing against bicycles and is not going to kill you despite the fact that you had a bicycle. Question - will you meet the new government with flowers?

Misantrop wrote:
Sucks another. In the entire history of modern civilization, the independent Ukrainian project has always had a very short and extremely sad history. And the chances that it will be successful at the current start are less and less ...

And here I completely agree with you. Unfortunately…

[Misantrop]

Quote: marder

Question - will you meet the new government with flowers?

No, I will not. Categorically. For the simple reason that I do not know how the authorities will react to these bicycles after the approval in the new territories. My closest relatives have already seen exactly how the "new German order" comes about. In 1941, near Yalta. Alas, they didn't come for bicycles. So my attitude to this is not at all theoretical ... My great-grandmother was shot on the denunciation of a Tatar neighbor, and my mother (at that time 5-year-old) miraculously survived, seeing all this with her own eyes. And the concentration camp, where the Crimean Tatars destroyed the Crimeans, is located just a couple of kilometers from my house. There are only 4 Germans for the whole concentration camp, is this normal?

[marder]

Misantrop wrote:
And the concentration camp where the Crimean Tatars destroyed the Crimeans is just a couple of kilometers from my house. For the entire concentration camp there are only 4 Germans, is this normal?

Do you think there are traitor nations? Or maybe there are nations that rebel against other nations? Both of my grandfathers fought on the side of the USSR. One war took place at the front from June 23, 1941 near Riga until April 25, 1945 near Elba, the second from September 1941 near Kiev, until 1957 in Tyachev. The USSR was their homeland for them and they fought for their homeland, despite the fact that my one great-grandfather died in 1921 during the Tambov uprising ... The history of any empire is a complicated one, but you must understand those who fought for independence from it. It’s not worth dancing on the graves of soldiers who fought for and against the empire.

The soldiers of the Red Army who fought against fascism and the UPA soldiers who fought against the USSR are worthy of respect. It’s not just that the Tatars in the Crimea took weapons into their own hands and fought against the USSR, they didn’t just took the UPA soldiers into the hands of the UPA.

[Misantrop]

Quote: marder

Do you think there are traitor nations?

During the German occupation of Crimea, 4 Crimean Tatars fought as part of partisan formations from beginning to end. Quite worthy parity to the thousands who fought on the German side, isn't it? There are no ABSOLUTE traitors, but how many absolute are there in our life? Even the Scandinavian Absolut vodka in stores is often counterfeit. But if the national mentality directly pushes the representatives of the national diaspora to betray the country of residence, then looking after such national enclaves is extremely tough. Let us recall the recent history of the Meskhetian Turks. The Americans very much felt sorry for this people, because of the peculiarities of their mentality, they were on the brink of destruction. They took it out, created conditions, equipped it .... And now they howl, not knowing what to do with this scum ... An illustrative story, isn't it?

Quote: marder

It’s not worth dancing on the graves of soldiers who fought for and against the empire.

Who's doing the dancing? I have enough friends among the Crimean Tatars, no one says that they are all scum, there are enough adequate and intelligent representatives among them. Especially in everyday life. But when a 5-year-old jerk declares to adults that: "Soon we will paint roofs with your blood ...", against their will I just want to take this minor ... by the legs, and head on the corner, until this scum has grown .. So I (as a direct eyewitness to the development of the situation) remain with the opinion that Stalin, with the help of the deportation of the Crimean Tatars, was SPAS. Even according to the Criminal Code of that time, the actions of the absolute majority of the men of this nation without any exaggeration deserved to be shot, and what would the relatives of the executed with their participation do to them ... This ethnic group would simply cease to exist ...

[uizik]

Stavte any monuments you want even to Hitler. But do not meddle with our southerners with your crazy ideas. And for all the people do not count. No one authorized! Do you want to the West -cloth track! The faster the better.

[smile]

marder
Oh, and you confused a little - roma shukhevych as part of the army of a foreign state - Nazi Germany - fought against his and the Russian people, mainly civilians. And dad Hitler, he took the oath of allegiance long before the Nazis attacked us ... and you, by the way, too, if you did not forget .... the guy was very responsible for his duty to the Nazis and was very diligent.
But Kolchak, I agree, is still a bastard, but we had a civil war ... and Kolchak did not destroy his nation for the sake of another, which decided to destroy it completely. Like the Roma, who implemented the plans of the Nazis, who decided that Ukrainians, like Russians should not be ... in general. So the comparison is incorrect.

[marder]

For Shukhevych and the inhabitants of Galicia, the councils were as much a foreign state as the Third Reich. So the comparison is very, very correct.

[Don]

Quote: marder

For Shukhevych and the inhabitants of Galicia, the councils were as much a foreign state as the Third Reich. So the comparison is very, very correct.

And who were their relatives? Poland? So why did the same Shukhevych shoot them in the back too?

[Misantrop]

Quote: Don

And who were their relatives? Poland? So why did the same Shukhevych shoot them in the back too?

This is a habit. It’s scary to look and shoot in the face. Can answer

[anip]

Well? He fought against one foreign state, selling himself to another and swearing allegiance to Hitler? Where is the logic? What such a fighter for Ukraine did not fight against Germany, the Germans did not promise independence of Ukraine?

[cyberspace]

Actually, I’m talking about this:
Kalush, Ivano-Frankivsk region; Monument to UPA Coronet-General Roman Shukhevych on the 105th anniversary of his birth, bronze sculpture on a high pedestal, opened June 30, 2012, sculptor Igor Semak.
Lviv, Belogorsch microdistrict (Zaliznychny district) - here at a relatively small distance from each other at different times three monuments were erected: a bronze bas-relief of Roman Shukhevych on a white stone memorial plate near the entrance to the museum; full-length bronze figure, established in 2006 (?); bronze bust on a high pedestal, opened March 5, 2009, sculptor Yaroslav Skakun.
the village of Volya Zaderevatskaya, Lviv region; a bronze bas-relief on one of the white stone steles on the alley of fighters for the independence of Ukraine.
Gorishni village, Lviv region, multi-figure bronze composition, consisting of figures of Stepan Bandera, Roman Shukhevych and Taras Shevchenko under the Protection of the Mother of God, was opened on August 25, 2011.
Currently, it is planned to install another monumental monument to Roman Shukhevych in Lviv [55].
the village of Zabolotivtsi, Ternopil region; opened March 1, 2009, sculptor Bogdan Dyachuk.
Knyaginichi village, Ivano-Frankivsk region; opened November 13, 2005.
Lvov - at the Lychakiv cemetery, a memorial with the inscription “ukr. Glorious memory of the head commander of the UPA Roman Shukhevych 1907-1950 "
Morshin (near the village of Volya Zaderevatskaya) of the Lviv region; opened October 14, 1997, sculptor V. Gurmak.
the village of Tishkovitsy, Ivano-Frankivsk region; opened in 2007.
Tyudiv village, Ivano-Frankivsk region; opened July 9, 2009.
At the site of the alleged burning of the remains of Roman Shukhevych, on the banks of the Zbruch river near the village. Gukiv of the Cheremovets district of the Khmelnitsky region on October 13, 2005, a monument was unveiled, which is a high granite cross, at the base of which a board with an inscription in Ukrainian is strengthened: “On this place on March 9, 1950 the knightly spirit of the UPA commander-in-chief, the faithful son of the Ukrainian people, ascended into the sky ", General Roman Shukhevych, who died March 5, 1950 near the city of Lviv in an unequal battle with the Moscow-Bolshevik Horde as a result of vile betrayal."

Quote: marder

Roman Shukhevych fought against the armed forces of a foreign state

Hauptmann, deputy commander of the Schutzmannschaft Battalion 201 Roman Shukhevych.

[smile]

marder
Wah !!! Well, everything, the terrible piece of iron got into the playful little hands of the great warrior, even two ... push ports, hang out at the bulb !!!! :))) We are clear, such and such, now we will leave our villainous plans to enslave you all, such independent ones .... in general, a nationalist who does not have enough words of his language to express his thoughts (you are probably in this way your involvement in emphasize to universal people) - a really terrible force .....
You yourself are not funny, huh? Do you really believe that someone is eager to conquer you?

[marder]

:-) I do not believe a bit :-) All this is just talking and charging for the mind. I do not like the trend that is traced in the comments of the neighbors. The leadership of the Russian Federation is not as insanely aggressive as some website aggressors

[uizik]

You won’t have time to shoot!

[marder]

uizik wrote
You won’t have time to shoot!

Dear, do not worry, I’m not even going to do it. Moreover, something to keep up. I have no desire to shoot at myself or at Russian soldiers ... As long as they are at least 37,4 km from my house.

As I understand it, are you a collaborator who vehemently hates attempts (at the moment very, very bad) to create a Ukrainian state? I in no way deny you the right to such behavior. Moreover, your Internet courage deserves all respect. Turning to a stranger at you is just heroism! You are a true role model!

[Don]

Quote: marder

I have no desire to shoot at myself or at Russian soldiers ... As long as they are at least 37,4 km from my house.

You would calm down the warrior, with statements to shoot someone.

[alexdol]

VadimSt UA "For five years now, I have been keeping the Russian flag - my son brought it from Russia. There is something to meet with - for whom there may be invaders, but for some liberators!"
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I fully agree with you! I think that there are quite enough people like you and me! I carefully read the article and many comments, and again I want to make such a remark, I have already made it many times in other places. Guys, what is this empty conversation about ?! Does Russia need "Ukraine" or not !? They say it will be unprofitable for Russia, she .... Just some kind of nonsense!
So, they imperceptibly constantly drive you into the BASKU that this is another COUNTRY ?!
Yes, it is different - this is the part of RUSSIA, which today is called "Ukraine"! And over time, under the Russian Power in RUSSIA itself, it will definitely be returned HOME! I have already cited examples, for example, did our enemies manage to split today's Russia into "independent" states? Some of these "independent" states will become poorer and will have the same miserable appearance as the current "Ukraine". And what, you will also say, why do we need this "impoverished" state, and at the same time forget that it was a part of RUSSIA! No, my dears, the question must be put differently - to collect again all our lands into one STATE !!!

[Corsair5912]

Split split, but so far nothing irreversible has happened.
The Russian language has withstood Ukrainization.

[Corsair5912]

And this is a map of the resettlement of residents of Ukraine who consider themselves Russian by origin.

[Don]

It seems to me that in Odessa and Dnepropetrovsk the results should be higher.

[Atlon]

But what is there to think ... To give Galicia to the Poles, to attach the rest on the rights of subjects of federations, by regions. (utopia, yes ...)
As for such an unbearable life in Ukraine, the author is disingenuous. People live and live normally. They do not starve, foreign cars are also bought, in general, everything is the same as ours. Well, maybe a little worse. At least, relatives and friends do not complain, and when they come to visit Russia they are not envious and are not surprised at something out there! Everything is as usual.

[Fox]

Quote: Atlon

People live and live normally

a friend went recently, told; everything is like ours, but something is wrong ... on the third day I realized: there are no blacks in the markets! just do not!

[Hyppopotut]

There are much fewer, but also enough! But Ukraine has neither the southern republics, nor the autonomous regions .....
Although during the presidency of the "Multicolored" president - came in large numbers of very good. many of his associates from his "godfather". And the residents of Wed. Asia is easier to get to Moscow ... And the Russian ruble, a more respected currency than the hryvnia ...

[Don]

Quote: Fox

I realized: there are no blacks in the markets! just do not!

I don’t know where he was, but we have just enough of them in the markets. Mostly Azerbaijanis and Armenians.

[the polar]

Atlon

For "Galicia" as you say, a lot of Russian and Little Russian blood has been shed.
So there is nothing to scatter lands from the "master's shoulder".
Who is "not in the suit" the unification of Russia and Ukraine can be blamed in Austria or Poland

[Mr. Truth]

Quote: Polar

Austria or Poland

If truthful, then the more likely to dump in Turkey or Romania. No offense svidomity, but from racology you can’t hide anywhere.

[marder]

I do not suit. My family and friends are not in the suit. And nobody is going to bring anywhere. I don’t know where you found the Little Russian blood, but a lot of Ukrainian was spilled. And for the Crimea, and for the Kuban and for Moscow, and for all that jazz. My ancestor with Bogdan went to Moscow with the Poles. As I read komenty, I remember.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: marder

My ancestor with Bogdan went to Moscow with the Poles. As I read komenty, I remember.

It’s you who confused Khmelnytsky with Sagaidachny. This Sagaidachny stormed Moscow, blowing up the gates.

[marder]

It is useful :-) Pan Bogdan pіd Smolensky having fought from Muscovites. And my ancestor will be with him, and not with Sagaidachny, more than one hundred hundreds of Cherkasy Cossack regiment, which will be crowned. And Sagaidachny buv a lock of Cossack. Flailing batkhard :-) I ask vibachennya

[Atlon]

Quote: marder

It is useful :-) Pan Bogdan pіd Smolensky having fought from Muscovites. And my ancestor will be with him, and not with Sagaidachny, more than one hundred hundreds of Cherkasy Cossack regiment, which will be crowned. And Sagaidachny buv a lock of Cossack. Flailing batkhard :-) I ask vibachennya

Be kind, save us from surzhik! On a Russian resource, write in Russian. All the more so as you "mollify" with terrible mistakes ...

[Don]

Quote: marder

Good

So maybe you even composed a fairy tale, otherwise it is somehow not clear. Remember the ancestor, but who didn’t go with?

[Atlon]

Quote: marder

I don’t know where you found the Little Russian blood, but a lot of Ukrainian was spilled. And for the Crimea, and for the Kuban and for Moscow, and for all that jazz.

I won’t comment, otherwise ho-chlosrach will begin. With great difficulty, but cope.

[Don]

Quote: marder

I don’t know where you found the Little Russian blood, but a lot of Ukrainian was spilled.

What are you? Directly the 1st and 2nd Ukrainian armies consisted of Ukrainians alone. In the Air Force that flew over Galicia, some Ukrainians were. Do not grind nonsense. All then bleeding the same way. And here it’s still difficult to say whether there were more Russians or Ukrainians in the armies liberating Ukraine.

Quote: marder

My ancestor with Bogdan went to Moscow with the Poles.

It is interesting with which Baghdan?

[evil]

these are such small buses do in Ukraine

[Don]

Quote: angry

these are such small buses do in Ukraine

[Corsair5912]

Ukraine, even after 90 years of Ukrainization, remains Russian in the native Russian regions. This is clearly visible on the maps.

[Val_y]

I agree that Odessa and Rostov are the same, though in addition to people of Caucasian ethnicity, we also have many other nationalities (Jews, for example )

[Bykov.]

The feeling of a single country, a common cause that has been etched from us for many decades, should come back to us, Russians and Ukrainians.

They tried to etch, but nothing happened.
Because it is very, very difficult to offer FOR REPLACEMENT, to people who lived in the USSR, something is equivalent to GREAT AND STRONG.
After the collapse, not one of the republics could not offer the people and the world that neither be in contrast to the Union.

[smel]

Americans and Co. have invested a lot of money in raising hatred of Russia in the CIS countries. A lot has been invested in Ukraine, and it has been invested with real results. To correct the situation, we will have to fork out, not just click. It’s just that nothing will change for free in relations between our countries. Besides the people, real gestures of politicians in the direction of rapprochement of the countries will be needed. Yes, it would not hurt to lynch and Humpbacked so that others would not

[Dart weyder]

Well, about the construction of roads by Russia in Ukraine - that’s another joke - in Russia it’s also like not autobahns)))) and with corruption and other vices it’s not better - so it’s also written ..... and it’s not with the Caucasus sort it out - and this will be a cleaner problem than the Ukrainian ones ... it’s just that all the industry in Ukraine was sawn up and sold and plundered, because after the collapse of the USSR there were a huge number of industrial enterprises of different industries on such a small territory - and with the EXPLANATED leadership and not the gang, the country made she could have lived well, too, but not in this life ...... simply - Europe - this is not Ukrainian, not Slavic, not native - and Ukraine too - they helped to destroy industry at the beginning of the journey - and created a market for themselves, it’s enriched its countries, but Ukraine itself cannot be - it’s tightly sandwiched between west and east - it’s better for me with the east, only there, too, they will find a mote in the eyes of others - but they will not see logs in their own ....

[Don]

Quote: Dart Weyder

industry in Ukraine sawed and sold and plundered,

From heavy industry nothing sawed everything works.

[Val_y]

Oh well, Odessa Heavy Engineering Plant named after the January Uprising, cranes with a lifting capacity of 250 tons were produced and cho. Kapets ... (I know because I worked there in the beginning of the 90s) I drive by my heart and bleeds. The roofs collapsed, the windows were knocked out, not a single nut in the workshops. Why Europe and the world such a competitor 150-200 cranes per year.

[Don]

Quote: Val_Y

Oh well, Odessa Heavy Engineering Plant named after the January Uprising, cranes with a lifting capacity of 250 tons were produced

At one time, it was necessary to sell to good owners, and of course. We can say thanks to the deputies from the Fatherland and their raider attacks.
But in general. NKMZ, Azovmash, Motor Sich, Azovstal, Krivarozhstal and many others work.

Quote: Val_Y

Why Europe and the world such a competitor 150-200 cranes per year.

This should be said to Yatsynyuk and other dodgers who recently congratulated the people of Ukraine on the fact that Yanukovych did not go to Moscow to agree on a vehicle, and those who blocked the platform that week demanding the president to sign the EU accession document.

[Egoza]

"After all, Ukraine is not able to provide its citizens with a standard of living comparable to Russia at the expense of internal resources."

Here I disagree with the author. In principle, in a condition if the oligarchs did not capture the internal resources, who do not care about the people.

"Is not only the former Austro-Hungarian province of Galicia infected with nationalism and Russophobia, but, albeit to a lesser extent, the rest of Ukraine?"
And here a little thickened paint respected author. Even in villages it is not against unification. I'm not talking about the Crimea, Donbass, etc. Here in the center (Kiev) - there is such a thing. In any case, people are not so keen on unification that they can pump something out of Russia as much as they want to free themselves from forced Ukrainization.

[PAC3]

And here a little thickened paint respected author. Even in villages it is not against unification. I'm not talking about the Crimea, Donbass, etc. Here in the center (Kiev) - there is such a thing. In any case, people are not so keen on unification that they can pump something out of Russia as much as they want to free themselves from forced Ukrainization.

Poltava - how will the sample fit?

View to the district No. 145 (Kyiv district of the city of Poltavi, Kotelevsky, Poltava district):

becoming a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada for the sake of Yury Bublik (the party “Freedom”).

http://kolo.poltava.ua/2012/10/29/yak-golosuye-poltava-kaplin-i-bublik-deputati-
verxovnoi-radi /

[Dart weyder]

Well, I got the division of local levers - that's the result! there, business immediately ran away from the REGIONALS apparently - that’s the people to the extreme ... they - well, as in the 90s they started everything for themselves ...........

[marder]

Bravo, Poltava! Bravo PAC3 :-) It is a pity that in the Kharkiv region, Svoboda does not have such results. If I were in Kharkov during the voting, I would definitely vote for them. And then from Cape to Pretoria 1500 km, but flying only for voting in scrap was.

Do not spin freedom!

[Egoza]

Quote: marder

Do not spin freedom!

Already "spinned" the European Alliance of Nationalists of Europe EXCLUDED from its ranks the Ukrainian party Svoboda. (About what the Svoboda members are silent). Well, Europe doesn't need fascists and anti-Semites. so we will not get into the EU because of "Freedom" alone. And thank them very much for that.

[marder]

Well, glory to Planck and Einstein. European tolerance - road to nowhere.

[Don]

Quote: marder

It is a pity that in the Kharkiv region, Freedom has no such results.

Thank God and Kharkov are not such results. Not even in one majoritarian district did not receive votes. Ours have done your everywhere.

Quote: marder

Do not spin freedom!

Zupinemo, zupinomo.

[Don]

Quote: PAC3

Poltava - how will the sample fit?

How does it fit? This is a central area. And one majoritarian district is not an indicator. In the same Poltava District No. 149: Alexey Lelyuk (PR).

[Rink]

Modern Ukraine is a territory of mass infection with Svidomism, the main symptom of which is Russophobia. Not Russia should treat this infection, but we ourselves. The feeling of a single country, a common cause, which many dozens of us have etched, should return to us, Russians and Ukrainians.

I agree with the author.
For too long, the media and the school have been introducing anti-Russian sentiment in Ukraine. And after the cessation of broadcasting of Russian channels of counteraction to this propaganda, there was no, and the feeling of unity of space was lost. Previously, I always watched Russian channels, news, was in the know and there was a feeling that Russia was nearby. The Internet is good, but it's not TV.

The only thing I want to add to the author is that Russia has also lost the feeling of brotherhood, the feeling of a single common home. Russian commentators often have no less shocking statements and ideas than Ukrainian svidomites. And this attitude shows through not only to the "ukram" and Ukraine, but also to other "former" republics, among the population of which there is still a large percentage of "friendliness" and the idea of ​​reunification has not yet died.

And these, albeit rare, but odious nationalist statements from the Russian side, even on this positively-minded part, have a strong repulsive effect. A couple of such "harsh" statements, and the former supporter of unification wonders, "is it necessary?" If you get the feeling that you are not ready to be friends not only from this, but also from that side, then you should not think that the idea of ​​unification will gain popularity ...

I do not exclude the possibility that, in the light of the promises of the diarrhea head of the State Department (Clinton's wife) and their ideologist Brzezinski to prevent the unification and revival of the USSR, paid provocateurs will begin to publish articles and statements infected with Russian Nazism in forums and in the press more often. This is a very effective weapon.

[Oleg Rosskiyy]

Rink,
Without words, respect, shake my hand !!

[marder]

Bravo!!! I fully support every letter in your post! IMHO, such publications and statements about the need to pick up something from neighbors in no way add to the popularity of the possibility of a normal existence by a number of Russians and Ukrainians.

[Don]

Quote: Skating rink

And after the cessation of broadcasting of Russian channels of counteraction to this propaganda,

Well why. I have Channel One, NTV and RTR are coming. Though somewhere in the news, besides TRK Ukraine and Inter, you can listen.

[Corsair5912]

Not so bad as Taldychat Svidomo. I repeat the resettlement map of Ukrainians who consider themselves Russians by origin, even after 90 years of zombies.

[revnagan]

Quote: Egoza

Here I disagree with the author. In principle, in a condition if the oligarchs did not capture the internal resources, who do not care about the people.

100% true !!! And I really liked the way the author talks about the restoration of industrial enterprises and roads in Russia in case of reunification. Thank God, in Russia, autobahns and industrial giants of the Soviet era have come to life and earned full power! As they say = these used words, yes to God’s ears ...

[Misantrop]

Quote: Egoza

if the oligarchs didn’t capture the internal resources,

Then these resources would be captured ... by oligarchs, but with different surnames. Sawed just for this, how was it not to capture?

[marder]

What kind of Russophobia are you talking about ??? Ukrainians treat Russians much better than Russians treat Ukrainians.

Nevertheless, Ukrainians treat Russians better than Russians treat Ukrainians, said IEAS political analyst Vladimir Gorbach. In an interview with Deutsche Welle, he said that Ukrainians do not perceive Russia only in the context of political relations and did not rule out that Ukrainians may have pragmatic reasons for such sentiments: “Ukrainians associate Russia, first of all, with energy resources, which are critically necessary for the functioning of Ukrainian industry. , so it is quite true that Ukrainian citizens can consider this issue. "

On the other hand, most Russians, according to Gorbach, believe that Ukrainians should think the same way with them and share their political preferences. The peak of irritation over the demonstration of Ukraine "is not the reaction that was expected in Russia," the analyst called 2005-2009.

http://rialemon.com.ua/news/world/43461

Something I don’t even hear on this site, advice from Ukrainians to Russians on how and how to solve their problems, but advice from Russians, how to solve Ukraine their problems, how to share it, where to go to those who do not agree with the opinion of Russians, what Ukrainians do with their civil war is above the roof.

The biggest request is to solve your problems, and we will solve ours. And as the cat Leopold said, “Guys, let's live together!” :-)

[Setrac]

I already wrote about this to our brothers from Kazakhstan, but Ukraine is more concerned with this. You separated by lowering our overall defense potential, lowering our scientific potential, demographic, economic. Ukraine has reduced defense spending to a minimum, does not contain nuclear forces, and when the roasted cock pecks them in their Svidomo asses Russia will scream.

[marder]

What kind of defense potential are you talking about? Of course, what I think about this significantly goes beyond the discussion raised by this article, but the threat now does not come from either the United States or Russia. The real threat to the whole of European civilization comes from tolerance and from the fact that Europeans, and as part of Europeans, Ukrainians, Russians, Belarusians lose themselves. Lose under the mass arrival in European countries of immigrants from Asia and Africa. Nothing would happen if these people came to us and lived according to our rules, but they bring their rules to “our monasteries” and demand respect for their attitudes, ignoring ours. The only European country to say that there is no Muslimization in Europe is Switzerland, where it was forbidden to build Islamic churches in a European and Christian country in a referendum. "Xlohsrachch", constantly provoked on this site - as one of the attempts to quarrel neighbors. You should not be the subject of old imperial rule & divide policies. We had a piece of a common story, the attitude to this story is different for you and for us. We should not impose our views and everything will be fine

[Setrac]

This is all nonsense, the main threat comes from the United States, Japan, EU countries. The threat comes from countries that need cheap resources. And here you are scratching about blacks and Arabs, as you arrived and will leave.
I am talking about the defense potential of the USSR, about the laws of macroeconomics.
And the problem of blacks and Muslims is just as far-fetched as the problem of Chinese in the Russian Far East.

[Rink]

Quote: marder

.... The real threat to all European civilization is from tolerance and from the fact that Europeans, and as part of Europeans, Ukrainians, Russians, Belarusians lose themselves. Lose under the mass arrival in European countries of immigrants from Asia and Africa. ....

You do not understand, this is not a cause, but a consequence.
It's all the same as saying that the real threat comes from artillery shell explosions, and not from a battery of enemy howitzers on the other side of the river.

Who is planting and promoting this very ideology leading to the extinction of Europe? To whom is this united and strong Europe a competitor, and who benefits from "dropping" the competitor? Who owns the idea of ​​controlled chaos in Islamic countries, which should form a belt of instability on the borders of Russia and Europe? Who can the Third World War (God forbid, of course!) Allow not to pay off the fantastic external debt?

The fact that the Anglo-Saxons make innocent eyes can only deceive idiots.
Take a closer look under the flag of howitzers - and you will understand who provides these explosions in our territory.

One must always believe not in words, but in deeds.

[- = ALEX = -]

So far, of all the neighbors, only the Russians are raising the issue of some territorial claims. So, what to fight back if that we ourselves ..

[Setrac]

Apparently Russia is disputing the Snake Island in Ukraine?

[- = ALEX = -]

No one has ever disputed or has disputed the serpentine island. There was a dispute about the division of the shelf in the economic zone, which was decided within the borders that Romania proposed to the USSR, Ukraine really wanted more like Romania. Divided almost exactly at the suggestion of the USSR.

[Rink]

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No one has ever disputed or has disputed the serpentine island. There was a dispute about the division of the shelf in the economic zone, which was decided within the borders that Romania proposed to the USSR, Ukraine really wanted more like Romania. Divided almost exactly at the suggestion of the USSR.

It's just stupidly not true.
Romania claimed more for Snake, Ukraine actually lost with shame.
Now the Romanians claim control over the Danube Delta, artificially shoaling their part of the riverbed to the islands. The claims of Romania apply not only to Moldova (they generally deny the existence of the Moldavian language and Moldavians as a nation), but also distribute their passports to Ukrainians from border regions. Since dual citizenship is prohibited in Ukraine, virtually all Ukrainians who receive Romanian passports should be deprived of Ukrainian citizenship. But soon they will make up a very large percentage of the population of the regions bordering Romania. In this light, it is interesting that Ukraine almost completely withdrew the military units stationed there earlier.

Romania is a member of NATO, it fulfills the plan drawn up for it in Brussels. And in the event of any disputes, all claims in the courts will not be decided in favor of a powerless and weak-willed Ukraine, which generally does not have any foreign or domestic policy.

Ukraine is not touched yet only for one reason: all the "hawks" understand that Ukraine is in the sphere of Russia's geopolitical interests. And only one shadow of Russia standing behind her back saves us from the next the landing of the Anglo-French landing in Sevastopol, the Poles in Lviv and the Romanians in Bessarabia ....

[Kars]

Quote: Skating rink

And the shadow alone behind her

I precipitated if honestly.

I wonder where you come from?

[Rink]

Quote: Kars

I wonder where you come from?

Is this important to you?

He finished 10 classes in Zaporozhye, received higher education in Kharkov, spent some time in Sumy. Now precipitated in Kiev.
I think we can say that I am from Ukraine.

[Kars]

Quote: Skating rink

Is this important to you?

I thought maybe a business trip.

Quote: Skating rink

that I am from Ukraine

at least some percentage of the fifth columns is everywhere. In the Russian Federation, I understand such marshes.

[Rink]

Quote: Kars

... even though some percentage of the fifth columns is everywhere. In the Russian Federation, I understand such marshes.

Yes, we also have a fifth column, and also funded by the State Department ...
And their goal is the same - to prevent the reunification of a great country, which they respectfully call the Empire. Our fifth column hangs out mainly in Lviv and around.
Where are you from, where are your roots?

[Kars]

Quote: Skating rink

Where are you from, where are your roots?

my profile is at least a little bit full.

Quote: Skating rink

Our fifth column hangs out mainly in Lviv and around.

unfortunately, two-fifths of the columns are already --- preoccupied Svidomites and impaired.

[Rink]

Quote: Kars

unfortunately, two-fifths of the columns are already --- preoccupied Svidomites and impaired.

By the way you try to offend me, you can be ranked among the third "fifth" column (I will not cling offensive labels to it).

In general, unfortunately, the Ukrainians, despite all the efforts of the State Department and the Ministry of Education, still do not constitute a single people inspired by the idea of ​​state building. Thus, confirming my words: Ukraine is artificially divorced from Russia, part of it, which had no own aspirations for that, and therefore is not ready to live independently. Neither ideologically nor economically. (Galicians are an exception, Stalin’s mistake).

And there is nothing wrong with the word "empire". Think for a second: all those who are now teaching us how to live "according to Feng Shui", the main democratizers and moralizers - ALL those who say how bad it was that Russia was an empire, are themselves imperials in essence and spirit.

Germany - didn’t build an empire or what? And if not for our grandfathers, who had explained what was happening, they would still be an empire. And what - Austria-Hungary was an empire of a different, special type? France owned colonies all over the world, from Africa and Indochina to America ... There are still half-Canada in French sprinkles ... By the way, Syria has recently left the French imperial oppression, which is why the French are now on plans are being built. And the fact that the republic was listed as the USSR, you know, was not called an empire.
UK - do you need to say something? they are formally an empire even now ...
And the icon of all the non-occupiers of all countries of the world - the North American United States, the planet’s chief police officer, a democratizer with a big club, the only country that used atomic weapons (and in cities with civilians, not military facilities) - is the United States an empire with colonies all over the world?!

Lord!
"And these people forbid me to pick my nose? !!!"
How can one not see just the flagrant, obvious deceit and double morality of Western propaganda? !!!!


The fact that you do not have a sense of brotherhood with Russia only means that you are younger than me, just from a different generation. You are already a half-life product, sorry for the comparison, and your atomic mass is already smaller ...


I could still somehow respect the Ukrainian "statists", if such existed in nature, provided that they would really lead to the creation of an independent Ukraine. But in fact, all Ukrainian politicians think only about how to arrange their personal affairs. The only thing they fear is that after reunification it will no longer be possible to steal uncontrollably, a higher authority will appear. They are afraid of the rich Russian business, which will take (buy back) their weak enterprises from them. For a sense of personal safety, they need a "roof", "protection from Russia," and they lick the boots of the State Department for this with servile servility. And they bark when they are ordered from there.
Independence in Ukraine does not smell! it’s just that if earlier Ukraine (the younger brother) had to obey the older one (as in any normal family), now it has betrayed the older brother, and went into the service of an uncle with pedophile inclinations. Uncle promised that if you listen to him, there will be golden mountains, but for now he just has a naive fool who, on account of his promise to his older brother, is crap under the fence.
Do you think this is a normal situation?

I have no other associations with the "independent politics" of Ukraine. What happened in the days of Yushchenko's skins is generally a shame. But the Donetsk clan also disappointed me.

[Kars]

Quote: Skating rink

Isn't the US an empire with colonies all over the world ?!

Well done - you’ll catch up on the United States and you’ll have a chance at the State Department.

Quote: Skating rink

to create an independent Ukraine

she created herself.

Quote: Skating rink

all Ukrainian politicians think only about how to arrange their personal affairs.

do Russians think differently?

Quote: Skating rink

Independence in Ukraine and does not smell

bad sense of smell.

Quote: Skating rink

Ukraine (younger brother) should have obeyed the older one (as in any normal family)

up to 18 years old)))

Quote: Skating rink

and went into the service of an uncle with pedophile inclinations.

as it is suspicious that you were drawn to sex topics.

Quote: Skating rink

Do you think this is a normal situation?

This situation is only in your imagination.
And living as adult brothers in one room is somehow not really.

Quote: Skating rink

I have no other associations with the "independent politics" of Ukraine.

very sorry.

[Rink]

Quote: Kars

Well done - you’ll catch up on the United States and you’ll have a chance at the State Department.

Have I followed them somewhere? Reread thoughtfully, I do not think that I did not understand clearly. If you do not juggle on purpose, then in theory you should have understood correctly.

Quote: Kars

she created herself.

The education that you call "independent Ukraine" has not been independent even a day in its entire life.

In general, your position is clear.
Further, she is not interesting to me, thanks for the communication!

[Kars]

Quote: Skating rink

Where am I

I liked more that you bypassed

Quote: Skating rink

Quote: Skating rink
all Ukrainian politicians think only about how to arrange their personal affairs.
do Russians think differently?

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equaled them?

Quote: Skating rink

And there is nothing wrong with the word "empire"

Quote: Skating rink

that Russia was an empire

Quote: Skating rink

Isn't the US an empire with colonies all over the world?

I do not want to be a colony of the Empire.

Quote: Skating rink

"independent Ukraine" has not been independent even a day in its entire life

Then the Russian Federation is also not independent. As far as Chechnya scolded it, they have come to the payment of indemnities. And as you mean independence (even though I can hardly understand you) there is not even the USA

Quote: Skating rink

Further, she is not interesting to me, thanks for the communication!

always welcome. come again.

[Don]

Quote: Kars

I do not want to be a colony of the Empire.

It’s good that you don’t want to, but de facto we are a financially-economic colony.

Quote: Kars

and before payment of indemnities have come.

Do not grind nonsense. Chechnya is the same subsidized region as Mordovia.

[Kars]

Quote: Don

de facto we are a financially-economic colony

And who is not de facto? This is called globalization.))))))) Although you mentioned that you are not an economist.

Quote: Don

Do not grind nonsense

)))))))))))) sorry of course, but Chechnya cannot defeat Russia.

[Don]

Quote: Kars

And who is not de facto? This is called globalization.

Do not confuse globalization with a financial colony. There are those who play, and there are those who play. Globalization is globalization, and the financial system of China is clearly not comparable with the financial system of Ukraine.

Quote: Kars

It's a pity, of course, but Chechnya cannot be called victorious.

Not two states fought, Chechnya is part of the Russian Federation. It is not the same if you take over the country. Georgia has a very good infrastructure.

[Setrac]

Beautiful mosque, I don’t understand what is wrong with her? +

[Don]

Quote: Skating rink

The education that you call "independent Ukraine" has not been independent even a day in its entire life.

And will not be. We were given it by a number of countries, and then conditionally, they will want it back and take it away.

[postman]

Quote: Kars
IPad + Megaphone, sorry, nothing is written and not copied. Also
It seems to me that you are wrong: a swamp is not a fifth column, until proven by a court, in any case.
Give me the REAL data INSPECTING the confidence that K. Sobchak acts against the Motherland, then yes. And this is just the opposition.
Without the opposition / opponent / antogonism / USSR, the world is dull and something is not right.
Threat. Sobchak cited simply as an example

[Kars]

Quote: Postman

Swamp is not the fifth column

Quote: Kars

.In the Russian Federation, I understand those in the swamp

I repent, I do not closely monitor the Russian Federation there is such a sin. In the headings of these articles, Bolotnaya = State Department,
As we stopped relaying Karaulov through our local channel. The moment of truth in general, except for our 8-hour news --- and there, to the surprise of many local experts on the Russian Federation, there are very few. (At least someone believes that all the news is one anti-Russian propaganda)

[postman]

Quote: Kars

In the headings of these articles, Bolotnaya = State Department,

Well, in the articles here and the S-200m they shoot down with a direct fire from the S-5, which has been bombing for 2 weeks and is equipped with a 100mm gun.

Quote: Kars

stopped relaying Karaulov

he jerked a lot.
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watch online
http://ovego.3dn.ru/publ/live_tv/novosti/rossija_24_vesti_onlajn_transljacija/5-
1-0-83

[Kars]

Quote: Postman

watch online
http://ovego.3dn.ru/publ/live_tv/novosti/rossija_24_vesti_onlajn_transljacija/5-

1-0-83

but I do not want))))))) enough.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Postman

Give me REAL confidence-inspiring evidence that K. Sobchak is acting against the Motherland

I’m afraid that Ksyusha this very concept, Motherland, does not know. Where is it already consciously acting against her ... She’s just PR, she’ll fuck the topic, if only she’s not to sag

[postman]

Quote: Misantrop

I’m afraid that Ksyusha this very concept, Motherland, does not know.

Not sure.
then she’s promoted here (and there she’s not to anyone in FIG and call her no matter how)
therefore, the Motherland in its understanding is (should be), although a peculiar

[Misantrop]

Quote: Postman

then she’s promoted here (and there she’s not to anyone in FIG and call her no matter how)
therefore, the Motherland in its understanding is (should be)

Any living creature does not go far from its feeder. This is instinct, not conscious patriotism.

[postman]

Quote: Misantrop

This is instinct, not conscious patriotism.

And "that's from" patriotism, give a definition?
“Patriotism is love for one’s country, and not hatred for someone else’s”

[postman]

Kars,
You're right (article) the article is ripe.

[Val_y]

Your untruth, look at the sea charts of the 90s edition and compare with the current ones, you will see the difference. The plum is full of all foreign trade efforts and the so-called sovereignty. Western court therefore ....

[Don]

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So far, of all the neighbors, only the Russians are raising the issue of some territorial claims.

Officially, none of the representatives of the Russian government raises this issue, unlike the President of Romania and the Hungarian nationalists. So if you have to fight with anyone, then with the Romanians.

[Alexander 1958]

For marder
Good afternoon!
Too many problems for our countries are common and it is better to solve them both better, cheaper, and faster. If we solve the same problem, each behind his fence. it may be that we will not solve anything at all ... Some will be very glad to see us floundering separately, thinking that we are solving the problem, but in fact we are interfering with each other.
Alexander 1958

[marder]

So I agree with this :-) It must be solved in a neighborly way. Canada and the USA are also neighbors who found a common language, but did not become one state. Together we are much stronger than individually. I am for both Ukrainians and Russians to be self-sufficient nations. Nations that respect others and are respected by others. At the moment, I do not see the slightest tendency to live in one state. We need to learn how to live by ourselves. Like children who grow up and leave the family. What will happen next - we will do a look. All empires are crumbling, this is the law. The question is how the parts of the empire will live with each other. Glory to Planck and Einstein that this does not depend on the community of this site :-)

[Alexander 1958]

For
marder

Quote: marder

We need to learn how to live by ourselves. Like children who grow up and leave the family

You can leave the family, but firstly whether it is necessary, and secondly, to go into the world does not mean to take root in it. About 20 years ago, such a bike would have skipped, and now all those who left the family (all of Eastern Europe, the CMEA countries, the Baltic states,) I personally do not see among them who won big or won a place in the sun - only losers. Re-read the tale about Kolobok and stop convincing yourself and us of that. that "Ukraine is strong, strong" is possible as a separate state. It is not a fact that this is possible in an alliance with Russia, but without it it is definitely impossible.
Alexander 1958

[marder]

Alexander 1958 wrote:
all those who left the family (all of Eastern Europe, the CMEA countries, the Baltic states,) I personally do not see among them major winners or those who have won a place in the sun - only losers.

Let me disagree. In Soviet times, they lived for some time in Poznan. Now I go there every 2-3 years - the changes are clearly for the better. Poland, by the way, is the only EU country that has not been affected by the crisis in practice. This is if we talk about CMEA and VD. Ukraine is possible as a strong and independent state. However, for certain reasons, Ukraine does not go towards strength and independence. Unfortunately. In alliance with the Russian Federation, this is impossible a priori. For the simple reason that the RF itself is neither strong nor independent. Unlike the UAE, the “strength” of the Russian Federation does not rest on three pillars, but only on one - high prices for hydrocarbons. Once the West has already managed to defeat the USSR by lowering hydrocarbon prices. The probability of using such tactics is currently very low, but nonetheless possible.

[Alexander 1958]

For marder
Good afternoon!
I wish your Poznan to live better in the future, but if this is the only place from my list of losers. then this exception confirms the rule. Your Poznan is a "caliph for an hour", when it is necessary, it is opened, when it is necessary, it will be closed. The example of Japan is a much more powerful power.

Quote: marder

For the simple reason that the RF itself is neither strong nor independent.

So yes, Russia is now neither strong. nor independent and since you are talking about Russia's dependence. like me, comparing it with the USSR, you acknowledge deep down that the USSR was the highest point of development in both Russia and Ukraine. And the only way for Ukraine is to have a maximum of independence and security, to return to the Red Project.
Alexander 1958

[Don]

Quote: marder

For the simple reason that the RF itself is neither strong nor independent.

The largest state in the economic and political sense is not strong and not independent? Do not grind nonsense.

Quote: marder

Unlike the UAE, the “strength” of the Russian Federation does not rest on three pillars, but only on one - high prices for hydrocarbons.

You are joking. Finish believing in fairy tales.

[Kars]

Quote: Don

You are joking. Finish believing in fairy tales

[Rink]

Quote: Alexander 1958

..... and stop convincing yourself and us that. that "Ukraine is strong, strong" is possible as a separate state.

+1000 !!! I fully support!

Moreover, I do not agree that the Ukrainians are a separate people, which in general should build this very own separate state.
Ukrainians are part of a single Russian superethnos. The fact that they have their own dialect and local customs does not yet allow us to say that they are a separate people.

With the same success, it is possible to declare the Vyatichi, Ryazanians or Smolyaks as a separate independent people - they also have their own dialectic dialect, their local customs. It can be stated that from ancient times they dreamed of their state (did they also have their own princes and principalities independent from Moscow? Moreover, they were formed before Moscow!).
Therefore, we now declare that the Vyatichi and Ryazan people are a separate nation languishing under the yoke of Moscow, and we are starting a campaign to support with money and in the media any fool from Vyatka and Ryazan who will agree to become President in exile of Free Ryazan and the Independent Vyatka Republic. A couple of paid "historians" will publish works on the statehood of Vyatka during the ice age, and two generations later, in full accordance with the statement of Dr. it can be managed like a herd! ", we will be able to grab two" independent "micro-states from Russia.

That is how Ukraine was artificially created.
Ukraine is a project of Poland and Austria-Hungary. For the first time, the very name "Ukraine" to designate it as a state, appears precisely on the Austro-Hungarian and Polish maps of the late 17th century.

PS Don't like Vyatka and Ryazan as examples? Substitute Tiraspol, Lviv or Donetsk instead of them .... This is not fundamental. Modern media and big money can do this trick anywhere where people don't frown at the word "democracy."

PPS Soon, obviously, they will talk about humiliated and destitute gypsies. Soros took up their rights, even admitted in an interview that he had been trained by a group of young Roma who could become their (Roma) leaders.
We are watching with interest what will happen next, two years later in theory, the preparatory work to create the structure will end and the active phase will begin ...

[Kars]

Quote: Skating rink

I do not agree that Ukrainians are a separate people, which in general should build this very own separate state

On this, in principle, discussions can be completed.

Quote: Skating rink

Russian superethnos

But what about Ukry? )))))))))))))

[Rink]

Quote: Kars

On this, in principle, discussions can be completed.

I think you can decide to continue or end discussions only for yourself.

Quote: Kars

But what about Ukry?

Do you want to tell something about them? I will listen with pleasure ...

[Misantrop]

Quote: Kars

But what about Ukry? )))))))))

No way. Since deportation from Venus due to extreme inanimity, this ethnic group has not gained true tolerance.

[Kars]

Quote: Misantrop

Since deportation from Venus

need ukry owned technology interplanetary displacement. Or is it their super-ethnos overpowered?

[Misantrop]

Quote: Kars

Ukry owned the technology of interplanetary displacement. Or is it their super ethnos overpowered

Their own sources are silent about this.

[Kars]

Quote: Misantrop

Their own sources are silent about this.

Well, I'm sure you have your sources that you used to write

Quote: Misantrop

moment of deportation from Venus

which gives me the right to assume the presence of space technology either in ukrov or in the Russian superethnos

[Oidsoldier]

Quote: Skating rink

Quote: Alexander 1958
..... and stop convincing yourself and us that. that "Ukraine is strong, strong" is possible as a separate state.
+1000 !!! I fully support!

Moreover, I do not agree that the Ukrainians are a separate people, which in general should build this very own separate state.
Ukrainians are part of a single Russian superethnos. The fact that they have their own dialect and local customs does not yet allow us to say that they are a separate people. And further in the text ...

For a long time and thoroughly understood the issue of the origin of the Ukrainians, Mova, autocracy. Weighing who was right in the dispute between the supporters of separating Ukrainians from the Russians, and as a consequence of the need to build their own state, Ukraine and their opponents came to the conclusion that it was ABSOLUTELY right and also, without any half-tones, that the UNITY supporters. I put + your comments, because everything is stated clearly and without blah blah blah.

[Don]

Quote: marder

Ukrainians treat Russians much better than Russians treat Ukrainians.

He visited Russia more than once, and something did not notice a bad attitude towards me.

Quote: marder

Something I don’t even hear on this site of advice from Ukrainians to Russians on how and how to solve their problems,

Read other articles.

[sergeybulkin]

I'm talking about the poverty of Ukraine. Not long ago, for the sake of entertainment, I looked at the satellite "google maps" of places in Ukraine where I often visited during the Soviet era and all of Ukraine for one. I was surprised that there, unlike the Russian territory, there is not a single piece of uncultivated land, all fields, fields, fields, 100%! I doubt the people are starving there!

[avt]

Quote: sergeybulkin

I'm talking about the poverty of Ukraine. Not long ago, for the sake of entertainment, I looked at the satellite "google maps" of places in Ukraine where I often visited during the Soviet era and all of Ukraine for one. I was surprised that there, unlike the Russian territory, there is not a single piece of uncultivated land, all fields, fields, fields, 100%! I doubt the people are starving there!

I won’t tell you about Google, but I have a neighbor in the country, so the bro came to him in the summer, he was from the west, he drove his car through the whole of Ukraine, so he was indignant at the abortion that there were a lot of weeds in the fields. That's how I believe him more than google.

[Egoza]

Quote: sergeybulkin

there is not a patch of uncultivated land

See less google maps! There are plenty. And what is cultivated, what is sown? Canola? A sunflower? So not wheat. from here and dance.
For PAS3 - And how many total Svobodovites in Poltava? Alone in your area? Congratulations!

[sergeybulkin]

Well, of course. From the satellite it is not visible what is growing there.

[sincman]

Quote: Egoza

And what is cultivated, what is sown? Canola? A sunflower?

Our leaders and in this matter pursue a destructive policy of scorched earth. The main part of crops is a sunflower! And so from year to year. Moreover, any person who is more or less knowledgeable in agriculture understands that this is death to black earth! They (the gang) that ... live one day. Today, good profits, and tomorrow, even though the grass does not grow! In the truest sense of the word. Oh bitterly in my soul ...

[- = ALEX = -]

And that rape and sunflower are not agricultural crops? there are sevosmen, but not all wheat is needed everywhere ..

[Alexander 1958]

For - = ALEX = -
Good afternoon!

Quote: - = ALEX = -

And that rape and sunflower are not agricultural crops? there are sevosmen, but not always need one wheat

So yes, crop rotation is needed, but rapeseed cultivation is 100% exported to biofuels and the same 100% land depletion. None of the farmers will seriously spend on fertilizers and reduce their profits
Alexander 1958

[Misantrop]

Quote: sergeybulkin

there is not a patch of uncultivated land, entirely fields, fields, fields,

Overgrown with either weeds or rapeseed (now fashionable culture). But he depletes the land so much that after a dozen or two years of such "farming", the former soil fertility will only be remembered ...

[Alexander 1958]

For sergeybulkin
Good afternoon!
You confuse grown food and consumed is not the same thing. If he was raised, but taken abroad because a particular plot belongs either to a non-Ukrainian citizen or Ukrainian, but which is more profitable to sell grain abroad. Then, indeed, the issue of hunger can become an issue on the agenda. Now we are not starving yet, but the consumption of basic food products is like in Russia. so in Ukraine is lower than in the USSR. Alexander 1958

[Setrac]

And with the help of the Google Map, you can look into the stomach?

[nickname 1 and 2]

Alas! But the author is in many ways right. Here take and revive B. Khmelnitsky. He will not be able to

[marder]

Dear, do not confuse the image of Mr. Khmelnitsky, created over several centuries, first by the Moscow, then the Russian, and later the Soviet state with the true motives of the tragedy of the Ukrainian people.

Mr. Bogdan Khmelnitsky was a very good tactician. Khmelnitsky’s motives that led him to rebellion were very simple:
- Guided much more by his hormonal background than by reason, Khmelnitsky cohabited with the young lady, not being in official relations with her. This young lady was stolen by a neighbor and was married to her legally. For Mr. Khmelnitsky this embarrassment was very disappointing and he went to court in order to appeal the marriage using legal methods and return the young lady he loved. The court recognized the supremacy of marriage over the hormonal background of Mr. Khmelnitsky, but Bogdan himself, apparently, was very much subjugated by the sexual capabilities of the woman. Well, he began to rob in order to return the young enchantress by illegal means.

For the Cossacks, who supported Mr. Khmelnitsky, this story could not be incentive, therefore Mr. Bogdan applied the old trick and, using the wishes of the Ukrainian Cossacks, put forward slightly different slogans. The basis was the desire of the Cossacks to be "crown Cossacks." Those. the official military of the Commonwealth.

Well, it’s perfectly understandable that the Commonwealth was not able to simultaneously accept all comers, therefore a war broke out between those who were officially in the armed forces of Poland and those who wanted to be officially in the armed forces of Poland. The war was fought with varying success, and when the situation of those who wanted it became catastrophic, one of the ways out from complete defeat was recognized as the transition from the wrestler of king Vladislav to the wrestler of king Alexei.

Initially, there was no nation-wide joy due to the transition to the Muscovy pakhanat.

After the Pereyaslavskaya Rada, representatives of the Russian Embassy visited 177 cities and villages of western Russia (the Zaporizhzhya Army) to take the oath of allegiance to the Tsar from the population.

Refused to swear the highest Orthodox clergy in Kiev. Some of the townspeople of Pereyaslav, Kiev and Chernobyl were forcibly sworn by the Cossacks. Speeches against the oath took place in separate settlements of the Bratslav, Umansky, Poltava and Kropyvnyansky regiments. It is not known whether the Zaporizhzhya Sich swore allegiance.

So do not talk about what was not. Bogdan should not ascribe the desire for unification, he was forced to do so. Needless to say, Ukrainians simply rejoiced in the forced transition from Magdeburg law to Moscow lawlessness.

So now, in fact, the situation in Ukraine is very, very favorable for the Russian Federation. Bogdan was weak to the front and was forced to lie under Muscovy. Yanukovych is weak on his head, and he can also be put under Russia. It will be harder of course to force the Ukrainians to rejoice, but otherwise - FIG what you, gentlemen, with the union will succeed

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: marder

The motives of Khmelnitsky, which led him to rebellion

I'll tell you differently. 1. The uprising was started and led by Maxim Kryvonos (my old ancestor, whom I am certainly proud of!), To the letter of the Polish king Khmelnytsky made excuses that "the Sabaka Krivonos muddies the water, and I am submissive to your will." (Polish correspondence letters are kept in Poland) 2. He arrived with a detachment of 300 Cossacks to Lvov, where Krivonos was with an army of 50 thousand (he took the smallest figure, in different sources). There was a conflict between Krivonos and Khmelnitsky, after which Krivonos was chained to a cannon (where he stood all night) 3. The mood in the army to raise Khmelnitsky to the peaks forced him to release Krivonos and allegedly lead the assault on the High Castle. (Which took Kryvonos) 4. An Englishman who was in troops (such as an ambassador or a journalist) described that after the battle the people of Khmelnitsky came to Krivonos and talked about something. Drank brother. Then he died. off. version: died of the plague. Who cares to look and see that there were no outbreaks of plague in those years. Krivonos strongly stepped on the eggs of the Polish king with his actions, Khmelnytsky could not give all the guilty ones because of the mood in the army. As a result, he was FORCED to gravitate towards the Tsar of Moscow. Which ended with the Pereyaslovskaya Rada and the unification.

[marder]

Well, so what I said does not contradict what you said in any way :-) The hop was not guided at all by the desire to push the buttocks in front of the king of Muscovy, but only by the desire to “find the truth” from Polish justice. And under the Moscow pahanat Bogdan went from despair. For otherwise, he would have been either pulled up by the Poles like a thief and a robber, or his own Kozachki tied to a cannon, as if they had not met their expectations

[Alexander 1958]

For
marder
[quote = marder] guided much more by their hormonal background than by reason [/ quote
] Tell me, was the war between Troy and Greece also for Elena or even so for control over the Mediterranean?
Somehow you get it primitively with Bohdan Khmelnitsky, but oh well, suppose you are right, but that those tens of thousands of peasants, and Cossacks, and foremen. who participated in the uprising are also weak "on the front"?
This "enchantress" somehow got lost in history, or maybe she didn't exist, but there was a reason for Khmelnytsky and other Ukrainians to rise up for their rights. Yes, maybe if Poland were more compliant for a while everything would have calmed down, but Poland as a state was on the downward line. And Russia was getting stronger.
Alexander 1958

[marder]

I wrote that the Kozaks and Hops had different motives. For the Kozaks, the motivation was the desire to be included in the crown list of the Ukrainian Cossacks. Naturally, Bogdan did not call for a fight for his hormones :-)

[Alexander 1958]

For
marder
The sergeant major fought for privileges, B. Khmelnitsky, "preoccupied with hormones", and what were several tens of thousands of peasants who fought in Khmelnitsky's troops, you did not answer .. They somehow did not fit into your theory
Alexander 1958

[Misantrop]

Quote: Alexander 1958

turn out to be Poland more compliant

Poland, by definition, could not be “more compliant”. In relation to whom, to your "talking cattle"? When a pig is slaughtered for a holiday, are they strongly interested in his opinion?

[Alexander 1958]

For misantrop
"+"

[Rink]

Quote: Alexander 1958

Tell me, was the war between Troy and Greece also for Elena or even so for control over the Mediterranean?
Somehow you get it primitively with Bohdan Khmelnitsky, but oh well, suppose you are right, but that those tens of thousands of peasants, and Cossacks, and foremen. who participated in the uprising are also weak "on the front"?
This "enchantress" somehow got lost in history, or maybe she didn't exist, but there was a reason for Khmelnytsky and other Ukrainians to rise up for their rights. Yes, maybe if Poland were more compliant for a while, everything would have calmed down, but Poland as a state was on the downward line. And Russia was getting stronger

Primitively - this is still mildly said.

In general, now there are so many invented versions around Ukrainian history, so recklessly impudent lies have been heaped up that you don't even know what to call it: "black humor", "crazy delirium" or "a well-thought-out action to discredit history."

Poland’s position of intransigence can only be called a stretch. It would be more correct to write "the Polish genocide on the national and religious basis of the indigenous population of the Right-Bank Ukraine" (they were simply not allowed on the left bank). Koyalovich, a 19th century historian, considered the Krevo Union of 1385 to be the beginning of the polonization of Western Russian lands. Then Lithuania itself was baptized into Catholicism, translated into the Latin alphabet. From that moment on, the Polish-Lithuanian onslaught began to form and head east from the Vatican. The Poles behaved with the Orthodox Rusyns (as the Ukrainians in Galicia called themselves then) no worse than the Catholic civilizers with the American Indians.
Poles considered the Orthodox Ruthenians people of the fourth grade (the first grade was the gentry, the second - Polish servants, the third - the Ruthenians converted to Catholicism). At the slightest attempt to express dissatisfaction, the Ruthenians brutally slaughtered entire villages. Complete lack of rights (even the transition to the Catholic faith did not make Rusyns more equal to the ethnic Pole, even to the peasant), without the hope of at least some justice and protection. The brutal, predatory policies of the Polish conquerors led to the fact that popular uprisings broke out regularly. People went to Cossacks, Hajduks, Hajdamaks or went to the left bank. Left-bank Cossacks - Cossacks, from time to time carried out punitive raids on the right bank in support of the Orthodox brothers. But they did not have the strength to completely clear the Right Bank of the Poles.

As a result of such a policy of real genocide, by the end of the 18th century Galicia was actually populated by a new people: ethnic Poles began to make up more than 70% of the population. This explains a completely different mentality of the Western regions of Ukraine - in fact, they are Ukrainians (with rare exceptions) just like Jews, Greeks or Koreans living in Ukraine.

[Lyokha79]

The issue of unification is extremely delicate, not simple and not fast. There is no simple solution, and you can’t act with clumsy methods. It's only easy to break, but hard to build. It is necessary to build strong, cultural and economic ties between us and on the basis of this to bring our countries closer.

[PAC3]

Is it not clear that nationalism and Russophobia infected not only the former Austro-Hungarian province of Galicia, but, although to a lesser extent, the rest of Ukraine?

Let's leave the term "russophobia" on the author's conscience. However, let me remind you that in Kiev and the Kiev region "Svoboda" won more in the last elections than the PR. And the people's deputies from Svoboda were elected in the Poltava region and in Sumy.

In general, a complete ass for the "Russian idea" in Ukraine has come since the Odessa "nirazunebandit" Markov, Vadik Koleso and Dima Tabachnik became its embodiment. More broadly, pedaling the PR - the "Russian question" has definitely hurt the idea itself.

[sincman]

Quote: PAC3

More broadly, pedaling the PR - the "Russian question" definitely went to the detriment of the idea itself

And this was obvious from the very beginning. Back in 2004, I understood that the PR, headed by a former prisoner, was discrediting the "Russian idea." Opposing Yushchenko with Yanukovych was the biggest mistake of Russian political technologists and the victory of the West! IMHO

[marder]

I wonder what could be the Russian question in Ukraine? :-) I am completely free to speak and communicate in Russian, by the way, which is much more literate than most Russians, the Russian language is the language I think, but I'm Ukrainian. I identify myself as a Ukrainian, and my children are Ukrainians. I know Ukrainian at about the same level as French and much better than English. My children are Ukrainians, they speak three languages ​​at 4 and 12 years old, but they think in the same Russian. Very reminiscent of the situation with Scotland. Only the Scots, despite the fact that they speak the same language with the English, are very negative towards the English. Thanks to reading comments on the tips “How can Russia equip Ukraine”, my personal attitude towards Russians is changing from “more positive” to “negative negative”. It’s good that there are normal Russians who are returning their attitude to their previous course. I repeat - I am for good neighborly relations with the Russian Federation and the peoples who inhabit it.

[Egoza]

Dear Marder! What language do you speak at home? This is the answer, who you really are by nationality. Do you want to consider yourself a Ukrainian - for God's sake! I know many Ukrainians who are worthy people, only now they speak Ukrainian at home. And T.G. Shevchenko, for example, considered himself a Little Russian! And knowledge of many languages ​​is always +. But do not forget that "According to the profound remark Galician journalist Andrei Kaminsky (1873–1957), the so-called “idea of ​​a catholic Ukraine is, as a result of all metamorphoses, great Poland in the Russian lands. Under the slogan: "back to the enemies while singing pathetic, deceptive hymns" *. We must not forget about Talerhof and Terezin - where they drove all those who did not want to be renamed Ukrainians. "Thalerhof (September 4, 1914 - May 10, 1917) - a concentration camp created by the authorities of the Austro-Hungarian Empire in the early days of World War I. One of the first concentration camps in the world history of the 1th century. The inhabitants of Galicia and Bukovina were deported here, sympathetic or contrived those who sympathize with Russia, expelled from Galicia on denunciations of Poles and Ukrainophiles. [2] [83] To this day, Rusyns in the memory are forced to call themselves Ukrainians, but they still resist! Finally, “In Ukraine, Russian is the native language for 92% of the population, Belarus - 2008%. In XNUMX, the American Institute for Public Opinion Research Gallup (Gallup) conducted a study in several republics of the former USSR of the question of which part of the population (peoples) of these republics had Russian as their mother tongue (in Gallup's terms, "maternal"). The result is presented in the chapter "Russian as the Mother Tongue" of the article "Russian Language Enjoying a Boost in Post-Soviet States" on the Gallup website. "And what about Russian schools and kindergartens for Russian children?
I don’t want to start a discussion now, but take an interest, WHEN the word "Ukrainian" appeared in terms of nationality! By the way, it will be interesting for all history lovers - http://usachi.narod.ru/i/kto-pridumal-ukraincev.htm

[marder]

Dear Fidget, I gave examples of one language and several peoples. I repeat again:

- Serbs, Croats, Montenegrins,
- British, Scots, Irish,
- very, very close languages ​​Afrikaans and Dutch.

Nevertheless, that’s all. different nations. A native of Ireland served with me, for whom English was my native language and he knew only a dozen words in Gaelic. Do not assume that only language determines nationality. Where does self-identification mean more? If we take the same Scots who consider themselves to be one nation and have a very negative attitude towards the British, then the difference between those who inhabit southern Scotland and England is much less than the Scots of the North and South, but nevertheless the Scots consider themselves to be Scots, although and speak english. By the way, a referendum on separation from the United Kingdom is scheduled for 2013 in Scotland and was initiated by the Scottish nationalist party that came to power. Yes, I am Russian-Ukrainian-French-speaking Ukrainian. And I’m asking you not to apply Marxist-Leninist theories to me :-)

[Beltar]

The British and Scots have been living together for centuries, but they have different languages ​​historically.

[marder]

So the Ukrainians and Russian languages ​​are different :-) Related, but different. I have absolutely nothing against Russians, the Russian language, I like Pushkin’s poetry, I like Mayakovsky, I like Lermontov. I respect the historical heritage of the Moscow kingdom, I respect the heritage of the Russian Empire, the USSR, but we have a different history, different understanding of the history and place of Ukraine in this history.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: marder

A native of Ireland served with me, for whom English was my native language and he knew only a dozen words in Gaelic. Do not assume that only language determines nationality.

And it happened to me in the Atlantic on a small little ship, where two Irish and two Englishmen were all, to watch the football match England - Ireland!
Nobody is in the wheelhouse, everything is on TV. The ocean was worried. For some reason, too. Managed! But I had to sit between them ..

[Egoza]

Quote: marder

And I’m asking you not to apply Marxist-Leninist theories to me :-)

And in what did you see the Marxist-Leninist theory? Or is it about the language you speak at home? Alas and ah! It was in the USA that a kind of "trick" was developed, which is applied to the throat of a "patient" and which can determine what language a person thinks. (When a person thinks, the vocal cords duplicate impulses.) No matter how well and fluently a person speaks any language, it is ALWAYS a TRANSLATION from his native language !!!! Let it be lightning fast, not noticeable even for a person, but TRANSLATION! and that is why it is possible to determine a person's nationality. (Therefore, it is not profitable to train a "spyena" to be presented by some foreigner, they will still open it. It is cheaper to buy on the spot of an aborigine)

[marder]

Dear Fidget, I spoke a little differently. It is not correct to determine the nationality of a person by language. More than one generation of blacks has grown in the USA. Not one generation speaks English and only English. But they, with all their desire, will not be either English, or Scots, or Irish.

[Havoc]

Quote: marder

Dear Fidget, I spoke a little differently. It is not correct to determine the nationality of a person by language. More than one generation of blacks has grown in the USA. Not one generation speaks English and only English. But they, with all their desire, will not be either English, or Scots, or Irish.

Of course, they are US citizens, and they think in American, although they speak English.
About ukrov you everlove great, I still heard that in Ukraine there is a globe
.

[Misantrop]

Quote: marder

But they, with all their desire, will not be either English, or Scots, or Irish.

Moreover, they will not become blacks, and even more so - those nations from where their ancestors came from. The benefit of the country of residence brings from them a negligible percentage of their total number. By and large, this is ballast and human garbage. What is dangerous and thoughtless and uncontrolled separation from its roots, it turns out to be a parasite tramp. He has no (and simply cannot be) other aspirations than selfish ones. And this is not only the trouble of the United States. Take a look at the same France ...

[Beltar]

Shevchenko essentially just brainwashed in exile Poles.

[- = ALEX = -]

In the Kazakh steppe?

[- = ALEX = -]

If the occupier instilled his own language, this does not mean that the people that he has made made his nation. For example, 95% of Norwegians spoke Swedish at the beginning of the last century, and when their first place was put in Norwegian, the Swedes laughed and called it mooing and snarling ... Now guess who by nationality lives in Norway and what language they speak. .

[anchonsha]

But what kind of a union of countries was Putin talking about? He offers only the economic union of countries to introduce uniform customs laws for all former post-Soviet countries. Only. Personally, I don’t want money from my country to settle down Ukraine, to build a new economy (the old economy of the USSR in Ukraine is the past), so that really Svidomo and Square people later accuse me of occupying Ukraine. Well, the Svidomo do not want, but it seems that they are becoming more and more, lose their sovereignty (it has long been lost), well, let yourself be amazed by dreams of European integration, well, what can you do. There is a good saying: do not do good to others when you are not asked about it and you will not be a fool.

[Beltar]

The headache from the "independent" also flies into a penny. The same golimy pipelines just to have nothing to do with the Svidomites. Therefore, the empire must be rebuilt, it will not work to fence itself off.

[dmitrijbyko]

I fully support. Those who talk about occupation (or a union of countries) read and hear only what they themselves want to hear.

[bistrov.]

So what? According to the author, it turns out to "donate" these beautiful lands (Ukraine), for which whole rivers of Russian blood have been shed, to the Germans, Poles, British and others who sleep and see how to nestle here, then they will drag Ukraine into NATO (they forgot Yushchenko, especially that neo-fascism is increasingly raising its head in Ukraine), and the US troops will find themselves 100 km from Bryansk, where strategic production is concentrated. Perhaps the author is more satisfied with this scenario? There can be no two opinions - Ukraine needs to be "fastened" to Russia by any means, and for this all methods are good, and one should not spare funds for this, otherwise Russia will lose a lot. The author is a minus!

[basal]

But let's not scare.

NATO lives in the Baltic states. Peter, probably, abruptly will Bryansk? I’m silent about Kaliningrad. There, NATO count right behind the fence grazes.

Nothing, we live somehow. The question is also who is afraid of whom

[bistrov.]

Quote: basal

NATO lives in the Baltic states.

Such are cold-blooded and profuca Baltic. Soon the Chukchi, the Tungus will separate, wait. They voted for the alcoholic, who ruined everything and everyone, and also applauded him. Universal (the moderator did not miss the word)

[smile]

basal
Yes, by the way, in our Kaliningrad region, the movement for turning the region into a Euro-Baltic republic has quietly stalled. The movement is a conglomerate of trends united only by ridiculous slogans - Pu - kaka, you give us European integration and we will be happy, and are supported by Poland and Lithuania (they have created special commissions at local parliaments, various supposedly friendship societies - in other words, propaganda, etc. ), the most prominent representative is Mr. Lopata (I’m not joking - this is his last name, ethnic Lithuanian). A year ago, the Germans came and a couple of swamps, I don’t remember the last name - the entichs of the most European integrators were praised very much ... it didn’t fail!
Nobody here is afraid of Natu, for to hell with them .... a basket so that his head does not swing, and not Kemsk volost. We don’t aspire to Europe, it’s obvious that neither the jelly banks, nor the milk rivers appeared among the neighbors, on the contrary, they didn’t keep what they had ....

[Serhi]

article plus!

[morpex]

Is it not clear that nationalism and Russophobia infected not only the former Austro-Hungarian province of Galicia, but, although to a lesser extent, the rest of Ukraine?
Wow! Strong! I didn’t know! And then where do I live?
Modern Ukraine is a territory of mass infection with Svidomism, the main symptom of which is Russophobia
Comrade, have you become sober since the New Year? Or are you from the moon to visit us?
Either the comrade author is a complete layman in matters of the real state of the mood of ordinary people, I mean "cattle", as the current government calls them, or the article is completely custom-made. Hold a referendum and you will see where our citizens see Ukraine tomorrow. Believe me, the result will shock you and will be completely contradict your "profound" conclusions.

[gladiatorakz]

Custom article. Well, or the author with the little head is not okay. There is definitely no order with education. "When they are already aware," etc. That is, he then understands the whole point, looks at the root, but in Ukraine (well, a herd of sheep) is not. And why wait for them? "Peacefully occupy" and that's it. For that we will raise the salary! Wow how generous I am !!!
The error is that everyone measures on their own. For the sausage will sell his homeland. I suspect this shit-making is similar to magazine magazines who write for sausage.
Or maybe at least one person here says: Yes, this article will help us understand each other, the cause of unification? The effect is the opposite! Ukrainians are trying to cause resentment, anger at Russia. The Russians neglect, swagger, arrogance towards Ukraine.
I hope Brothers that the bulk are wiser than such libels.

[Beltar]

Our homeland of the USSR. Your do not know.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Beltar

Our homeland of the USSR. Your do not know.

Then my homeland is Russia.

[morpex]

Comrade author! Stop carrying all nonsense! Go get a hangover. New Year has already arrived! Hare to celebrate.

["Delete"]

When Ukraine is left alone .. In my memory. there was not a single positive article about Ukraine, only gloomy predictions of collapse and horror from the authors-grandmothers of the Wang, despicable descriptions of various institutions of the country about how everything is bad there, etc. And then they wonder why less and less Ukrainians speak positively about Russia. You must be smarter and more polite, and not climb into someone else’s monastery with your charter and unnecessary advice. They will figure it out.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Sil

When Ukraine will be left alone.

That's for sure!! I don’t want to offend anyone, but hatchery has blossomed in Russia in many sectors. Patriotism - is obliged to be sober and raise YOUR OWN, and not to humiliate ANOTHER.
It would be better if we discussed how KhTZ could help in the "Armata" project, how best to build AN - 70, 158, what joint space projects could be mastered, etc. That is, what unites and brings us together. Fuck him with this gas. There are also mutually beneficial and mutually beneficial energy projects.

["Delete"]

That is why I write here extremely rarely, because the site is completely custom-made and brim with patriotism to the brim. I hardly read the opinion section. for already by name you can understand what a terrifying clinic is in this or that article. no, I understand that if Russia were a model, like the States, then maybe slipping opinions could be forgiven, they say. and let's get together, it will be profitable! But here, along with monstrous corruption. paranoid prezik, stupidity, bureaucratic nepotism, chocks and cop lawlessness to climb with their advice ... This is just the height of stupidity.

[pinachet]

you are wrong, the site is not custom!
just part of the population of the Russian Federation sincerely shares and understands the topics raised here! , and part about the western electorate sincerely do not understand it.!

["Delete"]

custom, not custom, but you can't treat all events so one-sidedly, they say, everything is fine with us, but in the States. but in Europe ... How was the Magnitsky list presented here? It would seem that it's just cool that, besides Putin's venal shobla, there are people who really don't want to accept thieves and scammers! But no! Hysterical screams about Russophobia, the Cold War, etc. just tore up this site! Orphans made extreme? Children were deprived of the opportunity to live in a FAMILY! Moreover, in Russia there are ten times more crimes against adopted children than in the States! And who is the "pro-Western electorate"? People who openly poke obvious corruption or stupidity of the current government? People who are aware that a kilometer of road cannot cost tens of millions of dollars, moreover, that it starts to fall apart in the second year of operation! People who see that now the government has degenerated into an openly anti-popular, corrupt structure, the purpose of which is not to serve the people, but to preserve the current vertical of power and luxury that surrounds them, by squeezing out civilized people and replacing them with a dull, black herd and churkestans! And what is wrong with such people?

[bootlegger]

I would like to ask why all of a sudden such bloom in stolen money suddenly bloomed in the USA? But Britain takes thieves from around the world in open arms? It would seem two countries with a similar mentality and principles. Global allies, is it more difficult to imagine such a different approach? Why?
Everything is simple. They have no principles, but have a simple and rational interest. England uses other people's money in international settlements and it is more profitable for them to concentrate it at home. Their own currency is for internal use. Britain itself positions itself as the second international financial center and concentrates capital in any way. Including it is doubtful. After all, the USA will not print a tranche for them specially?
The United States prints them for itself and as much as it wants. It is profitable to squeeze out the extra money from circulation. The ideal option is when they leave and never return to the United States. But if the capital returned, all the same, then it is certainly more profitable to exclude it from circulation under any legal It’s a pretext. It’s much more profitable to print. If there is already inflation in the United States, it’s only from under their printing press. Of course, the United States cannot neutralize all the funds that came back, if you go too far you can lose the ability to print world money. But all the same, answer for old money they are not interested.
This is how all sorts of methods of combating competing states are invented. The USSR pasted the guise of an evil empire, destroyed it. Russians are now trying to add the image of a corrupt state and achieve a similar result.

[pinachet]

no one argues that there are problems in the country, but Nemtsov and the authorities do not want to see Chirikov either. ... the roads are expensive? .., but are you sure that they will be built at all?
you want again .., "we will destroy the foundation, and then we will build our new world ...", yes, fuck ... change already .. I had enough of perestroika and 90xx. let me live more or less stable. yes corruption, lawlessness happens ... but you specifically what did you do .., did you put on a white ribbon?, but really tried to fight .., not to engage in verbiage, but to really complain about housing and communal services, write to the prosecutor's office on the traffic police (if infringed)

[pinachet]

so the fact of the matter is that in the current situation and in the uncertain situation in Ukraine, neither KhTZ, AN-70 and other projects will go together. It’s also because it is not clear what will happen to you next president, where you will turn .., but with full Euro integration, the military industry is generally neutered to you.

[MG42]

Quote: gladiatorakz

It would be better if we discussed how KhTZ could help in the "Armata" project,

Quote: pinachet

nor KhTZ, AN - 70 and other projects

I want to clarify = HTZ decrypts as Kharkiv tractor factory, he is to the factory to them. Malysheva HZTM which produces tanks has nothing to do with it, except that it is also located in Kharkov. KhTZ incidentally is owned by the Russians having bought a controlling stake.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: MG42

I want to clarify = KhTZ stands for Kharkov Tractor Plant, it’s to them. Malysheva HZTM which produces tanks has nothing to do with it, except that it is also located in Kharkov.

He wrote fast ... inaudible.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: pinachet

so the fact of the matter is that in the current situation and in the uncertain situation in Ukraine, neither KhTZ, AN-70 and other projects will go together. It’s also because it is not clear what will happen to you next president, where you will turn .., but with full Euro integration, the military industry is generally neutered to you.

Quote: bootlegger

It's simple. They have no principles, but have a simple and rational interest.

I will answer two. Very similar. So you know where Russia will turn? After the surrender of Libya? After the opening of the NATO base in Ulyanovsk? After the daily humiliation of the Russian people inside the country by Caucasians? After all, no one sends Serdyukov to you?
I understand you. I am for patriotism. Only without pink glasses and searches for flaws in neighbors, brothers, friends (of your choice)

[Beltar]

Shapkozakidatelstvo arises as a result of certain successes and when the next Su-35 flies to the Russian Federation, the rate of delivery of equipment is growing, and Yandia cannot even feed the army, the conclusions are obvious.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Beltar

Shapkozakidatelstvo arises as a result of certain successes and when the next Su-35 flies to the Russian Federation, the rate of delivery of equipment is growing, and Yandia cannot even feed the army, the conclusions are obvious.

This is a Jewish position. Benefit, fat, denyuzhka.
Last time I came to Moscow, Peter a couple of years ago. At stations, in shops, the subway it is already Baku and Beijing. And came to Kiev - everywhere Kiev! So the question of self-identification has not been canceled. This is our position.

[marder]

Thank you, dear :-) It's nice to have such neighbors :-) You absolutely correctly noted that we are able to deal with our problems ourselves.

[basal]

Quote: Atlon

Give Galicia to the Poles

Yes, what did the Poles do to you so bad?

[pinachet]

" if the Ukrainian state preserves itself as a whole."
and what are the prospects for separation ??

[tolan777]

Galicia is a cancerous tumor on the body of Ukraine. It could be tolerated by a mighty Union, but not Ukraine. neither Russia will pull it - the moods of the residents of the polished Galicia radically differ from the moods of the rest of Ukraine, Ukraine has no future together with Galicia.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: tolan777

Galicia is a cancerous tumor on the body of Ukraine. It could be tolerated by a mighty Union, but not Ukraine. neither Russia will pull it - the moods of the residents of the polished Galicia radically differ from the moods of the rest of Ukraine, Ukraine has no future together with Galicia.

Yes bullshit. No tales ...

[Rink]

Quote: gladiatorakz

Yes bullshit. No tales ...

No, this is not tales, but the harsh truth.
This is not seen only by one who does not want to see.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Skating rink

No, this is not tales, but the harsh truth.
This is not seen only by one who does not want to see.

Or maybe only he who wants to see this sees it?

[Kievan]

Ahahahah old song. If some people do not want to be under the rule of Moscow, then they are fascists and Russophobes. The logic of kindergarten.

[11Goor11]

Those about whom you speak are as "good" as those brainless ones who want to sell themselves into slavery in Europe.
Both "Russophobes" and "Ukrainophobes" are the same enemies, only they have adopted different regional names.
There is one Slavic people who are "ugly great" for Western ambitions, preventing them from gaining dominion over the whole world.

[marder]

:-) Amazing fabulous Russia is obtained. The tale of one people, consisting of three brothers - one smart and two others. Ukrainian and Belarus. We have not been one nation for a very long time. Yes, and they never were. From different tribes of Slavic origin we lead. Do not ask about different languages, for even one language does not make one of two different peoples. Examples are Serbs and Croats, British and Scots. Take a look at the applied aspects. The fact that advertising campaigns conducted by the same agencies for the same products differ in Ukraine and Russia. “Star” people are used for advertising in the Russian Federation, since Russians tend to have those they want to be like; for advertising in Ukraine, “stars” have the opposite reaction, since Ukrainians tend to use their personal opinions. No wonder it is said that "where there are two Ukrainians, there are three hetmans." In the days of the Soviet Union, the USSR Armed Forces had an amazing proverb: “A crest without a string, like ... without a plug”. The junior command staff in the USSR Armed Forces was 60% Ukrainian. So there are differences, and the differences are palpable. I will not tire of repeating - we are neighbors. And we need to build good neighborly relations, and not try again to drive our neighbors into the Russian pseudo-empire.

[Beltar]

What are you saying? But s and Bulbashs themselves no later than at the beginning of the 20th century considered themselves Russian.
Ukraine will be part of Russia, those who disagree will go to Poland, and there they know what to do with the Ukrainians. Centuries of experience are available.

[Kars]

Quote: Beltar

the composition of Russia, dissent will go to Poland

But what is so modest? Poland was also under the Russian Empire - do not be shy. And better start with the return of Alaska))))))))))

[marder]

And from Finland too :-)

[Rink]

marder, Kars - Everything has its time, why rush?

[Alexander 1958]

For Kievite
Good afternoon! I do not share your Russophobia, but you still don’t have to carry any rubbish .. The USSR was led by Ukrainians for 30 years (1953-1981) and we still need to figure out who was under power ..
Alexander 1958

[Kievan]

Quote: Alexander 1958

For Kievite
Good afternoon! I don’t share your Russophobia, but you still don’t have to carry nonsense ..

Well here I am about this very thing. Since he does not want to be under Moscow’s rule, it means Russophobe.
You yourself don’t understand how your logic looks from the outside?
(This is a rhetorical question, if someone on this site understands this, then he does not write comments.)

Quote: Alexander 1958

The USSR for 30 years (1953-1981) was led by Ukrainians and we still need to figure out who was under power ..

Barack Obama is a Negro, but that does not mean that the United States is controlled by blacks.

[stranik72]

I go to Ukraine for work, it doesn't hurt there for the unification, among those with whom we discussed this topic. Propaganda works very well there, "Russia will not let Us live, it cannot bring order to itself, everything has been left to the oligarchs and Caucasians." This is one of the postulates and it works. And so in Ukraine, life is more or less settled and it is calmer and more comfortable for an ordinary person than in Russia, so I don’t think that if we now hold a referendum on unification there will be more than 50% of those willing. My opinion.

[marder]

In the course of propaganda works just in the opposite direction. Or rather, it does not work in any way :-) In Ukraine, there is no state-building policy at the state level. A state is impossible without the self-awareness of the people inhabiting the territory. The policy of "seizing power" is somewhat different - Narzariuvav, that on. Unfortunately

[Beltar]

Who would doubt when the whole national idea is reduced to "Ukraine is not Russia."

[tank64rus]

The accession of Ukraine to Russia is a nightmare of the US Department of State. Not for this, they are feeding Svidomo to allow this. Even if Yanukovych really wants to, they will not let him do it. This will mean the beginning of the revival of the Empire that the United States will never allow. China is already missing, and here is another player on the world stage. Until power is in the hands of real patriots, that in Ukraine, that in Russia this will not happen.

[Kievan]

Quote: stranik72

Propaganda works very well there, "Russia will not let Us live, it cannot bring order to itself, everything has been left to the oligarchs and Caucasians."

So it's true. And that is why the supporters of Ukraine’s entry into the CU are mostly older people who very rarely left Ukraine and do not own the Internet.

[AK-74-1]

I read the article and did not understand anything. First, what is the term "Russian occupation of Ukraine". The term "Western occupation of Ukraine" is clear. How can a Russian person occupy the primordially Russian land on which the Russian people live? In this case, I constantly occupy my dacha for the summer. Project "Ukraine" is absolutely alien and thoroughly Western in its spirit and content. This was done in order to have a reason for conflict. As now the question about the so-called Ruthenia or Rusinia - Transcarpathian Rus' is constantly being raised. What is the article about. It seems that the author is consciously and absolutely firmly involved in theories of the "advanced west". How can one generally reason from the standpoint of the international legal personality of the territories "Ukraine", "Lithuania" or "Uzbekistan". These territories have never been independent and did not carry statehood with the exception of individual signs such as a flag, coat of arms, anthem, etc. Such reasoning is absolutely inconsistent with the world state of affairs and affairs. There is such a concept, which was repeatedly expressed by both Putin and Patriarch Kirill, this is the concept of Russia as a historical civilization, which includes, among other things, the territory of modern Finland and Poland.
I also want to note that the territory called "Ukraine" is food (a huge source of gold reserves), ports, recreational areas, and these are just square kilometers.

[GOLUBENKO]

Put article plus sign.
At the present stage of history, the entry of Ukraine into Russia is certainly unrealistic. And the reasons, in principle, are listed by the author. It is not necessary to put the cart before the horse, that is, to begin the unification of Russia with a political association. It is possible and this should first of all be done by the leaders of Ukraine, to start with the economy. Indeed, to become a member of the Eurasian Economic Community, the Customs Union, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, the Collective Security Treaty Organization and so on is hindered only by the political will of the Ukrainian leadership, which, like all the republics of the former USSR, with the exception of Belarus, Armenia and Kazakhstan, is controlled from the US State Department through its deputy ambassadors.
The western way for Ukraine is the way to nowhere, and no one will accept it. Ukraine as Georgia and the Baltic republics have the role of stimulus for Russia. And most importantly, before the life of the simple worker-peasant people of Ukraine in the US State Department, in the EU, and the Ukrainian government itself, no one cares. Therefore, everything is in the hands and minds of the Ukrainian people. And it’s hard to say how it ends, but it’s for sure that it’s nothing good.

The entry of Ukraine into Russia is unrealistic now, and it is not necessary, first of all, to Russia. Everything must be accomplished in an evolutionary way, and for this Ukraine needs to turn to Russia and the CIS countries face, and not fillet as it is now. Join the Eurasian Economic Community, the Customs Union, the SCO, the Collective Security Treaty Organization and so on and begin to really engage in the country's economy. But this requires the political will of the leadership of Ukraine. In the meantime, Ukraine is governed by the US Deputy Governor through Yanukovych, who received a label for the presidency (the surname is not important here), then a bright future will never come for Ukraine. And the West’s promise to accept Ukraine into the EU and NATO is such a carrot ahead of the donkey on a string, and the US State Department holds the rod. She seems like she can be bitten, but it doesn’t work out and so until the donkey dies of fatigue and hunger.

[marder]

:-) Something I did not notice that the extreme president of Ukraine at least somehow listened to what the US ambassador to Ukraine said. The ambassador quite often speaks out about the absolutely categorical necessity of releasing Ms. Tymoshenko from prison, and she was still sitting there.

It is not necessary to pass off someone’s private opinion as reality. It is much different from the "Surkovian propaganda".

[Nevsky]

It's better a lot

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: GOLUBENKO

And most importantly, before the life of the simple worker-peasant people of Ukraine in the US State Department, in the EU, and the Ukrainian government itself, no one cares.

You are not writing from Switzerland? Or did I miss something and in the government of the Russian Federation began to think about the life of the simple workers and peasants of Russia? When you put things in order, give us advice, strategist.

[Zomanus]

Can it make sense to buy Crimea from Ukraine for debts? For they are brothers to us, or not. And so at least we will gather all the brothers in one place.

[marder]

Or maybe not? For “redeeming” something from Georgia is one option, “redeeming” something from Ukraine is somewhat more difficult. I think that for all the positive aspects that are taking place in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, however, the Russian army is not able to buy something from Ukraine.

For your information:

It should be noted that the experience of conducting UPA guerrilla operations has been actively studied and is being studied abroad. In the USA, UPA experience is studied by cadets of a military academy. Ernesto Che Guevara in an interview said that he had studied guerrilla warfare on the example of Ukrainian rebels. In Ukraine, this experience is mostly ignored. Rebels are still considered bandits, according to official terminology. But meanwhile, which army can boast that for another ten years after the end of World War II, it could conduct military operations without external support? The Chetniks of Mikhailovich in Yugoslavia laid down their arms a year after Tito came to power. The “green brothers” in the Baltic states held on for two years. AK and VIN in Poland are also two years old. UPA was the most persistent. And even the death on March 5, 1950 of the UPA Commander-in-Chief, General Roman Shukhevych, did not lead to the complete destruction of the UPA - by that time it was already operating in separate groups. The last battle of the UPA with the Soviet police was recorded in 1961! According to various estimates, the number of UPA fighters ranged from 30 to 100 thousand people. Most of them died in battles or became victims of Stalinist repressions, having received from 15 to 25 years in camps.

[Garrin]

Quote: marder

But meanwhile, which army can boast that for another ten years after the end of World War II, it could conduct military operations without external support?

And what about "fighting"? Having slept off during the day on the farm, at night in the back to someone to shoot? Well, well, warriors, damn it!

[marder]

You know, my grandfather in the Smersh SECR, a non-profit organization of the USSR, has fought since its foundation in 1943, and has been at the front since September 1941. It met 1944 in Western Ukraine. He fought against the UPA, first as part of the Smersh, then as part of the MGB, then as part of the KGB until 1957. He, unlike you and your kind, knows how they fought and how they fought UPA fighters. So, grandfather said that it was a war. And with him I somehow did not notice a similar rejection of a point of view different from his views. He did not hang out a red-black flag in the courtyard of the house, but from time to time he went to visit friends who he fought against. Yes, and they visited him. So I repeat once again and I will not tire of repeating, dear neighbors, do not try to crawl with your opinions in a stranger monastery. Do not tell us what to do and we will not tell you where to go. This is our story, this is our pain, this is our pride.

[Garrin]

Plus to you for your grandfather. Try not to dishonor him.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: marder

You know, my grandfather in the Smersh SECR NCO of the USSR has fought since its founding in 1943, and has been at the front since September 1941. It met 1944 in Western Ukraine. He fought against the UPA, first as part of the Smersh, then as part of the MGB, then as part of the KGB until 1957.

Very similar to mine. Colonel SMERSH-MGB. I always remembered him with a wand. Spinal injury. He didn’t tell me anything. This is Dad when I grew up I already said that I fought in the West to the last.
In my youth I had a rank in chess. I could never win against my grandfather.

[marder]

Well, it means our grandfathers may have fought together :-)

[MG42]

Yes, this is empty talk in favor of the poor. What the fuck is UPA now = well, a couple of idiots will run across the Smears of the Carpathians and hide behind caches, but to sense. In those regions, many in the role of zarobitchans in Europe, they have no time to tear themselves away from the repair of Polish plumbing

[marder]

Oh, don’t say, don’t say :-) I really want it to never be possible to refute or confirm your point of view. But the enemy is much better to overestimate than to underestimate. In my service, I can only say that both Russians and Ukrainians are very good soldiers when they are placed in conditions under which they have to study military affairs in this way. Much better than the same Americans, Dutch, Africans. I am very respectful to the Gurkhas as soldiers, to Afrikaners, white immigrants from Zimbabwe. You should not just transfer your expectations from life to those who "can not tear themselves away from Polish plumbing."

[- = ALEX = -]

From the Ukrainian side, no one wants, but as they say ...

[- = ALEX = -]

The population of Ukraine is 3 times less than the population of Russia, i.e. the liberated Ukrainian army will be about 3 times smaller than the Russian. Since Ukraine is not going to attack anyone, it will conduct defensive actions, for a successful offensive operation a 3-fold superior is needed, which in theory Russia can achieve by exposing all its territories by removing troops from everywhere, and even due to the stretch of communications in this case, she will not be able to achieve what she wants. But even if it takes some territory, it will receive what the Americans got in Iraq. What Russia is without Chechnya perfectly demonstrated. Militarily Ukraine Ukraine is too tough, but the porridge will be bloody.

[MG42]

Quote: - = ALEX = -

Militarily Ukraine Ukraine is too tough, but the porridge will be bloody.

I do not even want to comment on this = >>> I think that a war between Ukraine and Russia is not possible because no one will follow a criminal order even if he does >>> shoot brother at brother. For example, my relatives live in Russia. : Which Chechnya, some regions of the East and Crimea in particular, can themselves join Russia without a single shot in the event of such events? Many people did not accept Ukrainian at all. oath, and the USSR, the Afghans that they will fight with the brothers?

[- = ALEX = -]

Yes, there are only a lot of commentators calling on the Ukrainian issue to resolve the Ukrainian issue by force ... But the reality is that they can expose forces equal to Ukrainian or with a small quantitative advantage otherwise they will be defenseless on other theater of war (than immediately less peaceful than the Ukrainians will take advantage of the peoples ), I'm not talking about any Caucasian aromas that flare up immediately. Without nuclear weapons, Russia cannot do anything with Ukraine. And Ukraine’s all nearby, it’s easier to defend themselves, and no one has canceled the secret protocol on in-depth cooperation with NATO, military-technical assistance from NATO will simply pour in Ukraine. Any large-scale war with Ukraine is the end of Russia. Because let them be brave on the Internet.

[Misantrop]

Quote: - = ALEX = -

NATO’s military technical assistance will simply pour into Ukraine.

Lech, the main thing here is not to drown in this stream of help. Well, in hungry saliva from her expectation. Georgia almost got washed away by the flow of aid from NATO

And all the screams about the power option come from "keyboard strategists" who have never heard the whistle of a bullet over their heads. Simply because the force option will immediately turn into a civil war. Pure Russians, Ukrainians, etc. now it is SO little. I, for example, living in Crimea, according to the documents - Russian. And my brother in the Moscow region is Ukrainian. And such - the majority on both sides of this artificial border, beneficial only to a bunch of freaks

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Misantrop

And all the screams about the power option come from "keyboard strategists" who have never heard the whistle of a bullet overhead.

1000% of the Internet gives them strength, and courage is directly proportional to the distance to the opponent!

[marder]

It’s a pity you can’t put +100500 :-)

[Beltar]

Just in case the issue is resolved by force, a civil war is almost ruled out, because the bandits will be crushed, but the collapse of the yandium to pieces will lead to the war easily.

[marder]

Beltar wrote:
because the bandits are crushed ...

Something I have not heard about the successful operations to "crush the bandits." In a Russian region with a population of 1,300,000 people, bandits will not be crushed in any way in 12 years, preferring to pay reparations to the “defeated”. In your humble opinion, the Russian Federation will be able to crush the "bandits" in the region with a population of 45,000,000 people? Rave. Dear, stop playing computer shooters and go to the normal army.

[Misantrop]

Quote: marder

In a Russian region with a population of 1,300,000, they will not crush bandits in 12 years, preferring pay reparations "Conquered." In your humble opinion, the Russian Federation will be able to crush the "bandits" in the region with a population of 45,000,000 people? Rave.

Not nonsense, but FREEBIE giant sizes. And you are not the first in line to join? I'm bastard with you ...

[Alexander 1958]

For = ALEX = -
The war between Ukraine and Russia is the blue dream of all our neighbors! They will help us fight until the last Ukrainian.
Aleksandr1958

[Misantrop]

Quote: Alexander 1958

fight to the last Ukrainian.

The funniest thing was in the early 90s. When the high command of the RF Armed Forces suddenly discovered that almost 80% of the special forces officers have ... Ukrainian roots, or even come from the Ukrainian SSR. It was a terrible shock. True, then a little "let it go". Especially when it turned out that only a few of them were carried away by the ideas of "independence" ... I remember the incident of those years. We had one "damned crest" in Gadzhievo, precisely from the Westerners (to the west - only border guards ). Bukhtel about independence, was going to strengthen the national defense, etc. His relatives from Poland had driven a foreign car not too old to him, so he was already at the stage of packing his bags. And here the crew has another vacation. He left. Honestly, they did not expect him back ... He comes from vacation, is silent, not going anywhere. But everyone is interested, they began to fiddle with him ... He still could not resist and once said: "Guys, I considered myself a nationalist. BUT with these idiots I'm not on my way, I'd rather sit out in the North ..."

[Beltar]

For a successful offensive operation on a global scale, approximately one and a half times superiority is needed; a Clausewitz tactical local estimate of 3-4 times in this case is easily achieved. You are so incompetent that it is not clear what you are doing on a military site. Army of 70 thousand people. which Ukraine is going to have no resistance, and it will not receive new weapons, even if it wants, it will not be able to give battle. The Russian Air Force will simply crush everything that moves, as Iraq and Serbia were crushed.

[Kars]

Quote: Beltar

The Russian Air Force will simply crush everything that moves, as Iraq and Serbia were crushed

always thought that the US Air Force and NATO did it

And if I am unmistakable in Georgia, this did not work.

For reference, I don’t believe in war. But so to neigh with you.

Quote: Beltar

Army of 70 thousand people. which Ukraine is going to have no resistance,

To begin with, you as a specialist who knows Clausewitz (I hope not personally?) Should have heard about mobilization.

Quote: Beltar

that it’s not clear what you are doing at the military site

What are you doing here, I understand, but with such banality still comments to write?

Quote: Beltar

and she’s not getting new weapons,

Strange, your rearmament is not much ahead. You can remember that it fought in Georgia. Ukraine has no reason to invest huge funds (and there are none like yours) in the Army, we have no geopolitical ..competitors .. and territorial disputes like YOU .

[Misantrop]

Quote: Kars

should have heard about mobilization

And imagine what you will hear when you try to carry out this mobilization. Especially among migrant workers (they still need to be found) or creative managers ...

[Kars]

Quote: Misantrop

You will hear when you try to carry out this mobilization

My H \ in 6 km in a straight line I will go visit my Genocide

Quote: Misantrop

Especially among migrant workers

Oh yes there are so many of them, and in the Russian Federation Tajiks will be recruited))))))

Quote: Misantrop

creative managers ...

what are they not people? a military ID if there is. yes and voluntary --- it’s not for nothing that Airsoft and paintball are on the rise. But if they take it in, it will be difficult to dump it — it may discourage the game in the future.

[Uncle Serozha]

Quote: Beltar

You are so incompetent that it is not clear what you are doing on the military site

I have the impression of your incompetence. This is greatly facilitated by:
- Unreasonable categorical statements, which can only be explained by youthful maximalism.
- Emotional outbursts instead of rational argumentation
- Transition to the opponent’s personality with accusations of incompetence. At the same time, the competence of your own statements delivers pretty much. Especially - kitchen planning for a “successful offensive operation in globally"(For less, obviously, you are not exchanged).

[MG42]

Here is a "fresh" point of view of the ruling party of regions on joining the CU, they will try to sit on two chairs.

[morpex]

Look how the cockerel crowed! Six months ago, I drove on my ass and shouted at the mouth with saliva that either a vehicle or a lid for us. The wind of change however .....

[MG42]

morpex, you sent your message about <crowing cockerel> to Kolesnichenko on the video from the Party of Regions = leave your comments more correctly.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: MG42

Here is a "fresh" point of view of the ruling party of regions on joining the Customs Union, they will try to sit on 2 chairs

I see everyone liked the analogy with two chairs. Or maybe it's two legs? on which it is more convenient to stand than on one.
If the Russian Federation communicates with the US and the EU, can they be reproached for trying to sit on two chairs?
I mean, there is no need to mindlessly repeat other people's "cunning" words.

[MG42]

gladiatorakz,
Let's do well without cunning words = >>>> an attempt to sit on 2 chairs at once for Yanukovych will end with his ass falling between 2 chairs and ending up on the floor. 1001 hints from 2 sides and the EU and the TS or there or there = >>> Well said the hero Mavrodi = proudly standing on the top of the pyramid, legs spread apart and the tip can stick into the backside!

[Beltar]

In fact, there is nothing to stand on ceremony with Yandiya, if a stupid cattle believes that everything here is at the mercy of the oligarchs and Caucasians, then it can believe as much as necessary, but the cattle are not asked. Their ancestors in the 17th century were apparently much smarter. I consider even a forceful solution to the issue admissible. After which all svidomye can blame Poland and Austria. There should not be any subsidies for "mov" and embroidery. The very word “Ukrainian” should become obscene, because there are no Ukrainians, there are Russian-Little Russians, but Ukraine is simply one of the forms of Nazism.

However, there is a simpler option, to tinker for another 20 years when you will, on a par with the Moldovans, go to Moscow to earn money. There will be no modern Poland, which on a global scale no one can call her to occupy this territory. At the same time, educational work about what Ukraine is and the "Ukrainians" about which even Gogol's Taras Bulba did not know should be deployed to the maximum.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Beltar

but the cattle are not asked

Are you sorry?

Quote: Beltar

I consider even a forceful solution to the issue acceptable.

The options are:
1. "Well-wisher" of the Ukrainian-Russian friendship works out silver coins or shoulder straps (of a third country)
2. The dystrophic Rambo with a beer belly played Counter-Strike and matured. Krovushki wanted a hangover.

Quote: Beltar

There should be no subsidies for "mov" and embroidered shirts

What a fierce !!!

[Magadan]

Do not pay attention to him. Most offended to read this from visitors with the Russian flag. Shame, damn it.
And score on the author of the article. It’s simple that someone’s life has turned out badly and such a person, feeling like a loser, begins to search, and suddenly someone is even worse than him.

[Val_y]

The most paradoxical thing is that when found, the pose of a successful, wise mєtra is taken, who immediately begins to teach. And it pisses me off, "it's garnished if the food is rotten." Moreover, even among their neighbors on the floor or street

[- = ALEX = -]

Quote: Beltar

I consider even a forceful solution to the issue admissible. After which all svidomye can blame Poland and Austria. There should be no subsidies for "mov" and embroidered shirts. The very word “Ukrainian” should become obscene, because there are no Ukrainians, there are Russian-Little Russians, but Ukraine is simply one of the forms of Nazism.

You are tortured to accept corpses .. Russia is far from a militarily strong nation without nuclear weapons ..

[Garrin]

Quote: - = ALEX = -

Tortured corpses take ..

You are wonderful .... We have already taken the corpses from you. Do not think that Chechnya and Georgia will get away with it this way. I remember everything.

[Beltar]

Please announce the list of receipts of military equipment in the Armed Forces, and what is their total number. And then there is the likelihood that the Five-Day War will be more bloody than the Russian-Svidomo conflict.

s, it’s true, it’s a pity, but after all, they die from the action of their own authorities. Characteristically, population growth is now only in Russia, but not in Ukraine, where the demographic structure of the population is the same as in European Russia.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Beltar

population growth is only in Russia now

Because 25 year old Azer is born immediately and immediately on the market. Azerorosyanin.

[bremest]

I remember Kiev in 1984, and 2,5 years ago I was again in Kiev 10 days. I was in shock. Sorry, but the comparison is not in the best direction ....... Sorry for the people.

There are many territories in Russia - Altai Krai, Perm, Krasnodar and Krasnoyarsk, Primorsky Krai. But not everyone knows that there is still the U-region, the so-called Ukraine, which once upon a time, in the time of I. Grozny was called - Outskirts ....... Is it possible to be a nation if you live on the edge of the country? Then, logically arguing in the Far East of Russia, Dalkraintsy live, and in Primorye Primorye ... But this is completely absurd ..... All these intrigues and absurdities are the result of a policy to dismember Russia. And those who live in the territory of modern U-Krajina are simply Ivanes who do not know their kinship. Russia began from Kiev and not at what U-region then it didn’t smell ...
Consider another thing. At one time, Otto von Bismarck in 1896 said the following phrase: "The power of Russia can be undermined only by the separation of Ukraine from it ... it is necessary not only to tear away, but also to oppose Ukraine to Russia. To do this, you only need to find and raise traitors among the elite and with help to change the self-consciousness of one part of the great people to such an extent that they will hate everything Russian, hate their own kind, without realizing it. Everything else is a matter of time. "
Here is the answer to all the questions and processes that occur on the U-edge ......

[Magadan]

I minus the article. Especially about how Russia "will start building roads in Ukraine." He just laughed. The author has a stormy fantasy.
The nominal salary doesn’t mean a damn. In America, this value is breathtaking, but in real life you will calculate how much remains after paying all debts (insurance, taxes, payments for a house, studies, kindergarten / nanny), so the hunt will cry.
It's the same in Ukraine. Here on the site, our friend from Ukraine wrote that the average salary there is about $ 300. I minus the communal apartment, and then I began to divide the remaining money by the cost of food. The result was a standard of living as in Magadan at 45000 rubles. And in Magadan 45 thousand rubles, this is more than in California 3500 dollars, if from their "dirty" 3500 dollars minus all the debts I mentioned.
So don’t dizzy. I myself have not been to Ukraine for a long time, but ALL of my friends who returned from there did not notice any poverty.
And once again I remind us, very proud. This is what we can beat in front of the west, because we have the resources and due to the resources we live better and better. And before the Ukrainians, what right do we have to show off? Or did their grandfathers not, along with our grandfathers, master these riches of Russia?
And anyway, what figs are "their grandfathers and our grandfathers." We have common grandfathers.

[marder]

How few really reasonable comments there are and how much desire there is to “revive the empire”, that from each comment under the Russian tricolor you expect a lot of negativity towards Ukraine. You convince me that not everything is so bad in the Russian state. Shyro dyakoy. In literal translation, this is “sincerely thank you.” thank

Yes, the average salary is already $ 400, according to the State Statistics Committee. Of course, living with this money is difficult ... :-( I have not tried it myself, but I guess

[Beltar]

And suggest an alternative? Raska is now a more or less decent state for one simple reason, it is large, and it has resources. Ukraine has no resources. Ukraine is economically tied to the enterprises of the USSR; no one else needs its products. This is a medical fact. It cannot exist separately from Russia, like a hand from a body. If Ukraine does not enter into economic cooperation, then Russia has no choice but to learn how to do without it. Gas bypassing its own engines, steel and so completely in the world smelted. What will Ukraine do? Due to what development? There are certain minimum market volumes at which high-tech industries can be developed; these are 200 million people now. Russia has 140 million of its own, some more at the expense of the CIS and some at the expense of the foreign market, in principle, it can afford to send anyone away and realize any production at home, which it does.
What will the same Motor Sich do when the Russian Federation stops purchasing its motors? To supply them to China? China is still taking it, but actively filing its own. To Europe? There are enough of their producers. And so on in all industries. All over the world they are getting bigger. Whoever cannot cooperate becomes North Korea.

And yet, if the modern Ukrainian regime exists only to spoil Russia, and it can only exist, otherwise what the hell was it to separate, then why should Russia tolerate a hostile state next to it?

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Beltar

Raska is now a more or less decent state for one simple reason, it is large, and it has resources.

Does this patriot call his country so?

[Misantrop]

Quote: Magadan

And before the Ukrainians, what right do we have to show off?

Yes, direct right. For these resources - and them too. That's just they at one time they refused, considering it unnecessary garbage. And now the toad is crushing ...

[Magadan]

"THEY" who is this? Belovezhskaya gang?
Okay, split up, then split up. I’m just saying that we don’t have a reason to beat Ponte in front of the Ukrainians. We do not make money with our own hands, but for now we are eating away what our common ancestors have obtained.
And this is a harsh truth. And then some of us reproach Ukrainians with lower incomes ?! Get lost, however. For me, this is a clean firewood, and then also a show off before someone tossed

[Misantrop]

Quote: Magadan

Get lost, however. For me, this is a clean firewood, and then also a show off before someone tossed

Yah? To begin with, most of today's exports come from new wells. By the way, those Ukrainians (and there were a lot of them there) who did not leave, but stayed, continue to work and receive their share of the profit. Are they also "scammers"? But it's not even about resources. Let's take the factories of the former military industrial complex. The same "Fiolent" of Simferopol at one time was a monopoly of the USSR in selsyns, contactless sensors of nuclear power systems, VVD, hydraulics, etc. This is not to mention the much more complex systems that were also released on it. Their price is VERY high. I know a lot of people who, working at this plant during the Soviet era and not being either production managers or engineers, earned 70-80 rubles in the 1000-1200s. In Crimea, without any northern allowances. Demand has not gone anywhere, nuclear submarines continue to be in service. Suppliers from the Northern Fleet and the Pacific Fleet have repeatedly come to Simferopol, but ... alas. The range of products now only has nasty quality jigsaws, milling cutters, etc. And who is their doctor? With the collapse of the USSR, they joyfully began to rob the plant and sell it in pieces. AT THIS is the Russian Federation also to blame? And what about the 13th shipyard in Sevastopol? The only factories in the city that remained under Russian leadership. For all these years, he also did not bathe in money, but at the same time he remained the ONLY ship repair in the city (where there were enough of them under the USSR), capable of now providing high-quality repair of the ship stock. It is no coincidence that the unfortunate submarine "Zaporozhye" was eventually sent to be repaired there. When they almost ditched completely, shoving all over Ukraine from one plant to another. And similar examples - at every step

[Kars]

Quote: Misantrop

Demand has not gone anywhere, nuclear submarines continue to be in service

right? and how much was under the USSR and now the RF has? how many submarines are built per year? how often do they go to sea?

Quote: Misantrop

With the collapse of the USSR, they joyfully began to rob the factory and sell it in pieces.

Nevertheless, the factories of the military-industrial complex had to be reformed - that they had already stolen the mentality --- they had always stolen --- from the Primorye, the factories were completely exported to China for scrap metal.

Or, for example, a Kharkov tank of 30 people and 000 tanks a year, what to do with it?

Quote: Misantrop

And similar examples - at every turn

Ek only in Ukraine.
An interesting tablet here
The underscores are not mine.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Kars

Nevertheless, the factories of the military-industrial complex had to be reformed

Fucking reform happened, the computer scientists call this "downgrade". Position sensors are needed not only on nuclear submarines, they are required EVERYWHERE on complex automated equipment. Let not in the pre-perestroika volume, but it would be enough to feed. Moreover, almost a third of them were titanium. Nobody on the planet wants titanium products with the highest quality workmanship? Yes, the nuclear submarine has become smaller (but not on such a catastrophic scale as you imagine). The bulk of those nuclear submarines were included in the sludge divisions at that time and were not replenished with spare parts. And the number of nuclear power plants has not gone anywhere. And what about the Sea plant in Feodosia? What, after all, no one on the planet needs hovercraft, the market is overstocked with them? During her premiership alone, Tymoshenko twice tore down an almost signed contract.

And "everyone ran and I ran ..." is not an argument, but an excuse ...

[Kars]

Quote: Misantrop

The fucking reform came out

I agree. But here you must understand that not only this happened in Ukraine.

Quote: Misantrop

If not in the pre-perestroika volume, but it would be enough to feed

I don’t know what kind of sensors these are, so I don’t know where they can still be dimmed.

Quote: Misantrop

Does anyone on the planet need titanium products with the highest quality workmanship?

For example, in the USA?

Quote: Misantrop

The bulk of those nuclear submarines were then in the sludge divisions and were not replenished with spare parts

How strange, but I’m a little aware of this.

Quote: Misantrop

And what about the More plant in Feodosia? What, after all, no one on the planet needs hovercraft, the market is overstocked with them?

Well, I don’t know, but they are building a network for China (and the Russians themselves are pecking at this for this)))))

Quote: Misantrop

And "everyone ran and I ran ..." is not an argument, but an excuse ...

You locked yourself in the submarine cabin, threatening to launch missiles, demanded the preservation of the USSR?

Quote: Misantrop

And the number of nuclear power plants has not gone away

And now where are they getting from?

It’s closer to me about tanks ---- as we see the Pakistan contract (against which Russia did everything possible to disrupt), at least somehow it saved Morozov’s design bureau.

[Misantrop]

Well, yes, not only with us, which is a shame. But there were all chances to keep at least part of the production, demand did not stop, my colleagues went

Quote: Kars

For example, in the USA?

Not only. Even now, demand really exceeds supply

Quote: Kars

Well I don’t know, but they build a network for China

This is because Julia is sitting. She really wanted, bankrupt the plant, to redeem it for a penny

Quote: Kars

You locked yourself in the submarine cabin, threatening to launch missiles, demanded the preservation of the USSR?

I then was in the autonomous region, so I learned this news only after returning. But during the GKChP 3 days on alert sat, there was no one to command ...

Quote: Kars

And now where are they getting from?

From other production facilities that had to be urgently created when Fiolent closed production

[Kars]

Quote: Misantrop

demand did not stop, my colleagues traveled

Then it's the fault of the factory management.

Quote: Misantrop

there was no one to command ...

Well then, what about the rest? All claims to the leadership.

Quote: Misantrop

From other industries

like a video someone has occupied a niche, a market.

[Setrac]

To extract oil and gas, especially in the Far North, is much more technologically advanced than producing consumer goods (clothing, household furniture, appliances, electronics) and even more so than assembling it from Chinese components.

[Goldkonstantin]

These nationalists are complete senile sufferers of paranoia. The occupation of Ukraine, say? Well, well, didn’t Ukraine feel at ease under these invaders? And in general, the bastard Lenin, who turned one nation into three countries, Apparently, nationalists see Europe as a kind of pink paradise, where only ponies live, which eat the rainbow and poop butterflies. Rave. If a miracle happens and Square will be accepted into the EU, then there it will be a puppet, if not a raw-material pantry.

[Misantrop]

Quote: GoldKonstantin

there she will be a puppet, if not a commodity pantry

Neither one nor the other. She ALREADY becomes a sump for illiquid assets. And with deepening integration with the EU, this process will only accelerate

[MG42]

It is not in vain that the EU allocates money to Ukraine to strengthen borders and build centers for illegal migrants on its territory. The EU sees Ukraine as a buffer zone between Russia and just a geographical neighbor.

A few years ago, the Readmission Agreement with the EU was adopted, which actually creates a situation where the EU countries, solving their problems, can use the territory of Ukraine as a specific camp for illegal migrants. In particular, to send here illegal immigrants who came to Europe allegedly from the territory of Ukraine. This refers to those who used Ukraine as a transit territory.

[Kars]

Quote: MG42

No wonder the EU allocates money to Ukraine

Prefer to do this at your own expense? Or to strengthen the border with the Russian Federation? What would illegal immigrants not let in our territory?
Vryatli they come to us from Poland.

[MG42]

Well, if the EU simultaneously strengthens its external border, customs.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel does not see the possibility of signing the Association Agreement between the European Union and Ukraine currently. She stated this at a press conference on the results of German-Polish intergovernmental consultations in Berlin.
Merkel noted that the EU expects certain steps from Kiev.
At the same time, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk expressed hope that the Association Agreement between Ukraine and the EU would be signed in November 2013, during the Eastern Partnership Summit in Vilnius. It is in the second half of 2013 that Lithuania will chair the EU.

Tusk emphasized that he has a realistic view of observing democratic standards in Ukraine, but added: he and the German chancellor agree that patience and understanding of Ukraine’s geopolitical situation should be shown in relations with Kiev. Also, the Polish prime minister noted that Warsaw will support the European path of Ukraine.

But to compare the specific gravity of Germany in the person of Merkel and Poland in the person of Tusk. Comments are redundant. If this did not happen during the Polish presidency = it means it became much more problematic, and EURO 2012, as an integration factor, did not particularly meet the expectations of Kiev.

[MG42]

Let's continue. So what is Germany's complaint about? "Political prisoners" Tymoshenko and Lutsenko? Only an naive person will believe in this official version = in fact, Germany has influence both the USA and Russia through the friends of Schroeder and Gazprom. Free these two will find another reason to waste time. Remember the story of Ukraine-NATO and MAP. It is not in vain that Foreign Minister Drishchenko was removed, although he was experienced = but Yanyk has recently been losing diplomacy. And the agreement on the association is far from membership in the EU.

[Kars]

Quote: MG42

compare the specific gravity of Germany represented by Merkel and Poland represented by Tusk

they won’t sign it, and they won’t sign it. I’m also upset.

Quote: MG42

the story of Ukraine-NATO and PD

the same thing it was a general erosion.

Quote: MG42

And the agreement on the association is far from membership in the EU.

did not know.

as for the EU, this is a good feeding trough - from the last tricks of a couple of millions of euros for vaccinating wild animals in the border line from rabies.
One thing I don’t understand is why for Europeans there are no paid visas ---- such that they give out to the airport or customs - 30-50 euros they will not be ruined.

Quote: MG42

Germany has influence both the USA and Russia through the friends of Schroeder and Gazprom

this is an even bigger question of Zadumats about the background of the TS what is it that Ukraine should put wheels in the wheel.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Kars

One thing I don’t understand is why for Europeans there are no paid visas ---- such that they give out to the airport or customs - 30-50 euros they will not be ruined.

It is economically more profitable to let them go without visas. More rides, more spend.
But for DEPARTURE it would be possible to appoint 500 euros.

[Kars]

Quote: gladiatorakz

More rides, more spend

Well, what for they are rednecks still)))))) They lived in tents))) Well, let them give a discount something to football fans. Not a paid visa is needed, and certificates from the vendespaner.

[MG42]

Quote: Kars

did not know.

Yes, I already posted 2 a list of countries that have an association agreement, but there will never be a chance to enter the EU purely for geographical reasons.

Quote: Kars

this is an even bigger question of Zadumats about the background of the vehicle

it just proves that Ukraine is stupid to resist, both countries are losing economically, but Ukraine is more = Russia will never let it out of its zone of influence. But Ukraine will not join NATO even because there is a Black Sea Fleet base in Sevastopol, but the population is against it.

Quote: Kars

one thing I don’t understand is why there are no paid visas for Europeans

here I agree this is the deflection of Yushchenko in front of the West = Amer six. Fans of sex tourism, cheap alcohol go to Ukraine, nobody checks pedophiles. Look at the English links to travel to Ukraine Immediately drops a bunch of sites with sex services.

[Kars]

Quote: MG42

yes i already

)))))))))))

Quote: MG42

it just proves that Ukraine is stupid to resist, both countries are losing economically

It just proves the opposite.

Quote: MG42

Russia will never release it from its zone of influence.

I never liked when someone DOES NOT RELEASE.

Quote: MG42

But Ukraine will not join NATO even because there is a Black Sea Fleet base in Sevastopol, but the population is against it.

Just the base of the Russian Federation in Sevastopol gives a precedent for the deployment of other military bases (in any way violates the constitution), but the failure of NATO does not need a base in Ukraine.

Quote: MG42

Immediately drops a bunch of sites with sex services.

By the way, I am for the legalization of prostitution. To deprive cops and brokers feeders.

[MG42]

Quote: Kars

Deprive cops and brother feeders.

I agree with that.
The rest is too lazy to comment today = >>>>> I will continue tomorrow

[solidol]

I often visit Crimea, Kharkov, Poltava .... I can relax and work .... I know the mood of completely different people ... I believe that the unification of Russia and Ukraine is impossible at the present time, yes, from my point of view, it is not necessary . If this happens, then after some serious global military-political cataclysm ...

[Magadan]

Nobody speaks about the full unification! But there are basic things where it is necessary to unite, we have already discussed which and everyone agrees.
The main thing is our unity of souls and minds. And the fact that Ukraine is a separate state of the same people is a plus in the international arena!
For example, you can breed your enemies like that, well, there, playing a good and evil investigator, for example. Together with Old Man, the game is generally normal. For example - Old Man begins to spread rot in his spirit, Poland, for example. Ukraine stands up for Poland (verbally, of course) Russia looks gloomily at this "dispute" and is about to decide, depending on who in this "dispute" will overpower, support one side or the other. Poland is starting to rush around here and there, and we all three of us breed it.
Of course, this is still an illusion, in view of Poland’s strong EU roof, but who knows how it will develop further
I note - my personal negative is only to the Poles from all the Slavs. Look, you’ve done the jambs back in 1612, but they remember some Katyn there!

[Uncle Serozha]

Reading some comments on this site I sometimes feel ashamed of my country. I simply could not imagine such a narrow-minded chauvinism, scornful, boorish and arrogant attitude towards other nations. And both to the peoples of Russia itself (Caucasians, Jews), and ... to their Slavic tribesmen - Ukrainians, Belarusians, Poles, Bulgarians, Czechs,

Comrades "Russian patriots" (intentional quotation marks), tell me, are you really surprised that half of them are in NATO, and the other half are looking there? For all the arrogance of the Anglo-Saxons, they still have enough sense to keep their shit to themselves.

I do not want to consider the possibility of hostilities between Ukraine and Russia even hypothetically. I don’t want it at all. Absolutely.

[- = ALEX = -]

Thanks to you, I see that there are still adequate people in Russia. If there would be a majority in Russia, we would be glad to be Ukrainians allies and partners ..

[Nomad]

Quote: Uncle Seryozha

I simply could not imagine such a narrow-minded chauvinism, scornful, boorish and arrogant attitude towards other nations. And both to the peoples of Russia itself (Caucasians, Jews), and ... to their Slavic tribesmen

Uncle Seryozha, +100500 !!!

[MG42]

that's the topic = >>>>>

[Kars]

The only thing I agree with is that there is no fighting spirit, there is no real image of an external enemy.

and so Ukraine still has the USSR’s most powerful air defense group in the USSR. At some modernization costs, it will make the blood of any aggressor, only it must be made clear that Yanyk is personally threatened with death by landing on a stake.))))))))

And if you talk like Poland, Romania, Belarus and so on, the SAO will not be able to resist the US Air Force (there’s no need to remember the current about NATO, we will assume that Kaczynski became a dictator)))))))
the Russian Federation has the same systems as ours + a certain amount (for its huge territory S-400) and so purely for the sake of interest

[postman]

Quote: Kars

With some modernization costs, it will make

About the costs I brought above, count at your leisure, not a cheap pleasure

Quote: Kars

just need to make it clear that Yanyku is personally

he defended himself:

About the F-117 laughed about "special plasma screens"

[Kars]

Quote: Postman

not cheap pleasure

Safety is not a cheap pleasure. For the sake of air defense, I even agree in tanks and armored vehicles.

Quote: Postman

About the F-117 laughed about "special plasma screens

me too. there is more about electromagnetic tanks by 2010

[Val_y]

You are mistaken, my friend, there was a grouping, but almost all the radars were stolen, they do not function, they sold mobile Kolchuga type, they removed them from combat duty and sent off the godfather, together with the crews (they wrote in the net), so what about the current situation in my opinion kapets.

[- = ALEX = -]

Captain evidence, so no air defense of the world can withstand the shelling of thousands of cruise missiles ..

[postman]

Quote: MG42

that's the topic = >>>>>

Well, this is definitely not the topic.
I don’t know how you are with patriotism and whether some will go to fight for the country when others go to Benley, but
1. There is no such number of the Kyrgyz Republic that it reports (only in the USA, TOTAL about 5000)
2.Ukraine threats are possible from Romania, Turkey and Russia.
The last two countries (and especially Russia) are unlikely at all, and Romania has only 22 RGM-84 anti-ship missiles, XNUMX have no other carriers, the Air Force even more so.
3.Air defense of Ukraine
C-200

And all
Air Defense Divisions

S-300PM / PT / PS - 30
S-300V - 4
S-200M - 12
"Buk M1" - 18

RTBR received upgraded radars P-18MA and P-18MU, P-19MA. 4 new FAR 79K6 "Pelican" radars have been adopted. Also, 35D6 mobile radars have been adopted, which will allow S-300 divisions to conduct reconnaissance independently from the command post.
Money, day and only money
Here is a certificate of value, THOSE YEARS, you can easily calculate the Java Mach equipment today, and the contents

[Setrac]

Quote: marder

Unlike the UAE, the “strength” of the Russian Federation does not rest on three pillars, but only on one - high prices for hydrocarbons.

What nonsense did you write? three whales of the Russian power is a nuclear triad

[Genrichra]

The collapse of the USSR is a tragedy for all the peoples of the union, and those countries that exist on the territory of the former USSR are a project of the US State Department. Which they manipulate in their interests and will hinder any integration in the post-Soviet space. The main core of rapprochement in any alliance is Russia and the main blow of the West will be on it, then the rest will be crushed. Our strength is in unity.

[postman]

Ukrainians, let me give advice DON'T LISTEN TO ANYONE TIPS (especially ours)
1. All adult uncles, the country is independent, independent: you want to join NATO, the EEC, ASEAN, the Customs Union, as part of Austria or Poland, and so on. GO STEP, if so decide, if so better.
Your right.
2. The debate about who is primary and who is secondary: crest or b = stupid.
Although we are close (the most), we are different (due to purely chemistry: food, water, the sun, minerals, the surrounding species, nature), but the crest has the same right as to decide the fate of his country.
And look for who is right and who is to blame for the fact that it was also stupid.
3. There will be trouble with Ukraine, I am 100% sure that the first ones to come to the rescue will be, I am a Nazi muzzle, s, i.e. we. Moreover, those who "spread rot" on this site in this article or in others, are likely to be in the ranks of assistants, NOT IN THE LAST ROWS.

But in your (Ukrainian garden) cobblestone:
If (theoretically) we assume a conflict between Ukraine and Romania (Poland, Hungary, Turkey), but I am 100% sure (still 99,99%), DON'T DETECT YOUR OPPOSITION IN THE RUSSIAN MILITARY SIDE, RUSSIAN OFFICERS WILL NOT KILL YOUR AIRCRAFT, TURNING TANKS, SHOWING SHIPS WHICH THEY WERE NOT THE CHauvinists / NAZBOLS.
But on 08.08.08 we observed the opposite: now think about who doesn’t love whom anymore and why.
To crack and indicate where to go, with whom to be friends and what to do is one thing, but to fight against is another.

PS but in the Crimea, I (personally) would do this:
The free economic zone of Ukraine-Russia, with benefits, the circulation of the hryvnia and the ruble parallel, well, etc.

And the question would be closed to the greatest pleasure of all.
And if you do not leave for NATO, the EEC there is a lot of work: that in Nikolaev, that in Dnepropetrovsk, on a common cause.

[Kars]

You're speaking nice.

Quote: Postman

DO NOT DISCOVER YOU IN THE RANGE OF THE OPPONSIDENT OF THE RUSSIAN MILITARY, THE RUSSIAN OFFICERS WILL NOT KILL YOUR AIRPLANES, LITTLE TANKS, SEE THE SHIPS WHAT WOULD THE CHauvinists / NAZBALS THEY WERE

I am sure of this, since I find it difficult to come up with a scheme of how they can find themselves there, even if desired.

For Georgia, I will not say anything, I don’t know.
So for fun, a couple of messages from the PM.

Listen, comrade, you’re fooling because of one Ukrainian tank, you are inflating an elephant, but you lose sight of your worthless economy, which occupies the 37 place in the world, and our economy takes the 6 place in the world, we have a lot more resources, and even Russia takes the 2 place in the world in all arms exports second only to the United States, and I must remind you that at any moment Russia can wipe out Ukraine from the face of the earth. At the present time, tanks will not help, because we have nuclear weapons that you don’t have, well, besides this, there’s a lot of other things, we’ll bomb our whole Ukraine if necessary, so be afraid, Ukraine is already on its knees in front of Russia and remove the hammer and sickle from your avatars, do not disgrace comrade Stalin erysipelas Bandera. The economy decides everything, cut it on your nose, we have you as we want, Yanukovych is our puppet, we put it to you, we control all your land and it will always be like that, and very soon we will punish you so be afraid, forget chtoli like ours Peter the first of all your Cossacks exterminated, and this despite the fact that the Swedes and Tatars helped you, but the Russians nevertheless beat you to ashes, and at that time there was still no nuclear weapon, like a tusik heating pad p .... whether your Zaporozhye cockerels didn’t forget this, or you will regret it, you have few problems? who are you running into ?? to a nuclear power? to a country that is friends with China? And China loves us very much and buys our weapons, and this is a country that stands at 2 place in the economy.

Nothing, soon Russia will drop a bomb on Ukraine, as it used to be the USA and Japan, and then it won’t care, I made sure that Ukrainians are good at fighting on the Internet.

Why the hell to dump? Putin will easily press a button and you will not see Ukraine on your map anymore, without any effort, just a touch and a rocket will fly to visit you and then Ukraine will turn into a radioactive zone, you're lucky that I’m not the president of Russia, otherwise I would have pressed the button oh how lucky !!!!!!!

[postman]

[quote = Kars] You speak beautifully. [/ quote]
I'll tell you a secret, I think so. I wanted to write yesterday, but was a little fun, I didn’t dare, otherwise I would freeze a thread.
[quote = Kars] I am sure of this, since I find it difficult to come up with a scheme of how they can be there, even if desired. [/ quote]
Well, it’s just like in Yugoslavia, for example, Abkhazia, Nagorno, PMR, Spain 30x for example. Technically, it’s not difficult, BUT WHO WILL GO? I don’t know such people, even when we meet with friends of Ukrainians, before the breakup of relations.

[quote = Kars] For Georgia, I will not say anything, I don’t know. [/ quote]

http://litrus.net/book/read/2009?p=1
http://www.sledcom.ru/
"criminal case on the facts of genocide and massacres of citizens of the Russian Federation on the territory of South Ossetia" Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation
"The servicemen of the regular military units of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, as well as at least 200 members of the UNA-UNSO, including by the names Shapoval, Kucherenko, Shevchenko, Matvsyuk, Zheltokon, took part."
field uniforms, personal belongings, photographs and other documents of "fighters of the Ukrainian nationalist organization, as well as military orders of the enclave's Interior Ministry leadership on assigning vehicles to representatives of UNA-UNSO" were found.
were captured anti-aircraft missile systems "BUK-M" and "Osa-Oka" Ukrainian labeling [/I]

According to the first PM: I wrote "our local fool" / I call such fools.
For economics, show him:

PPP GDP per capita $ 7800 (2012) - Ukraine
PPP GDP per capita $ 17687 (2012) - Russia.
Here is Ana Ystina shouting a duremar .... However:
According to this indicator, Russia is located higher than such countrieslike Antigua and Barbuda, but lower Croatia
And also:
Estonia ($ 22991), Lithuania ($ 20088) and Latvia ($ 18140)
+ scoreboard below
like that. [quote = Kars-erysipelas YOU are Bandera. / quote]
Regarding "bombs, China and Putin with a button, the vyunosh just doesn't know:
1. Ukraine of its own free will refused from the third in power nuclear capacity.
2. 1991 1991 Almaty Declaration
3. 1992 Lisbon Protocol (Belarus Kazakhstan, Ukraine, USA)
4. 1994 Budapest Summit: OSCE Russia, USA, Great Britain signed a Memorandum security guarantees Kazakhstan, Belarus and Ukraine in connection with their accession to the NPT
September 5.2010, XNUMX: China reaffirmed guarantees of non-use of nuclear weapons against Ukraine.
6. I WILL NOT BE SURPRISED that CHINA will soon give Ukraine guarantees of its territorial security.
And the more and more lovers of leeches will write to you (or Yanuka) in a personal such, THIS IT WILL BE REAL.
There is one more blogger here:
[media = http: //blog.da-medvedev.ru/post/30]
[quote = Duremar] you are lucky that I am not the president of Russia, otherwise I would have pressed a button a long time ago, oh, how lucky !!!!!!! [/ quote]
I, too, oh, how lucky that the durimar is not the president.
=====================
And this is WONDERFUL:
Translation into Ukrainian of higher education military training - all the most sophisticated air defense equipment was created and described in Russian.

[Kars]

Quote: Postman

Well it’s simple, as in Yugoslavia, for example, Abkhazia, Nagorno, PMR, Spain 30x for example

All the same, Romania, for example, is a country of NATO. But in the form of an obsessional attack on Ukraine, Belarus?

Quote: Postman

anti-aircraft missile systems "BUK-M" and "Osa-Oka" with Ukrainian markings [/ i

So why there were no claims filed in court and dt --- the fact that Medved / Putin will not let us down like that. I didn’t agree in Chechnya in the 90s, I even knew some personally. But it’s unlikely about Georgia and the regulars. Yes, the Russian Federation also sold weapons at the time. There was no embargo on Georgia.

Quote: Postman

For economics, show him:

all I answered was that when I pressed the button I wouldn’t forget about the direction of the wind.

Quote: Postman

Translation into Ukrainian of higher education military training - all the most sophisticated air defense equipment was created and described in Russian.

here I won’t say anything - I’m a supporter of two state languages ​​and not for political / national reasons, but because I’m weak with languages. I didn’t even learn to write normally in Russian --- even though everyone spoke more, if you read more grammatically, it didn’t help.

[postman]

Quote: Kars

Romania, for example, is a country of NATO.

read the charter of NATO. Ukraine attacks Romania (absurdity). Waiting for NATO.
Romania to Ukraine, without NATO.
July 20, 1974 Landing of the thirty thousandth Turkish corps in Kyrenia. Operation Attila

(note Turkey in NATO since February 18, 1952)

Quote: Kars

But in the form of an obscure attack on Ukraine Belarus?

That’s a good question (and they don’t know a peasant). I didn’t even think about this in view of its complete absurdity: CANADA attacked the USA.
I would prefer: Armed neutrality and blue helmets on the Russian troops and the Russian Armed Forces on the separation line.
If someone goes, it will most likely be 50/50.
But probably in this option no one will go.

Quote: Kars

So why there were no claims filed in court

WHAT? Name it!

Quote: Kars

There was no embargo on Georgia.

yeah
Table of OFFICIAL deliveries of Ukrainian weapons and military equipment to Georgia

Here's how you look if the Russian Federation doesn’t start to supply weapons-grade uranium to Romania (boring inserts, Siyaz), but WOULD NOT REMOVE in 2003, 13,5 kg of weapons-grade uranium from the Institute for Nuclear Research in the city of Pitesti, west of Bucharest?

Quote: Kars

when I pressed the button, I did not forget about the direction of the wind.

But this is not ethical.

Quote: Kars

I am a supporter of two state languages ​​and not polit / national

I'm not talking about supporters. It’s just stupid and costly, without any justification.

[Kars]

Quote: Postman

WHAT? Name it!

Well, I’m not an expert. But even according to Ukrainian laws, there are mercenaries (and if someone was there, he’s a mercenary, there was no order to order, and the Unions are a priori)
so at least to our prosecutor’s office.

Quote: Postman

Here's how you look if the Russian Federation doesn’t start delivering weapons-grade uranium to Romania (boring inserts, Siyaz), but would not have removed 2003 kg of weapons-grade uranium from the Institute of Nuclear Research in the city of Pitesti, west of Bucharest, in 13,5?

I think that if Romania expresses a desire to buy weapons from the Russian Federation, then they will sell it. The Russian Federation sells weapons even in the USA. And if that would be nice, it’s a huge incentive for us to start their chats. And not to rearm.


As for deliveries to Georgia, I have only one, but a big claim --- Where is the money? Although probably a few Buk and shells for Peony are stupid to sell, we don’t.

[postman]

Quote: Kars

Where's the money?

SO THIS IS LIKELY AS WITH US: WRITTEN RF SELLS WEAPONS IN VENEZUELA (cheers), FORGET TO WRITE ON MONEY PROVIDED BY RUSSIA VENEZUELA AS A LOAN (COMMODITY)

[Kars]

Quote: Postman

FORGET TO WRITE FOR MONEY PROVIDED BY RUSSIA VENEZUELA AS A LOAN (COMMODITY)

I would even be glad. Venezuela is likely to return.
At our place, I think (and some deputies before the presidential elections) that Yushchenko rendered services to Mishiko’s godmother at our expense. And the rest was purely drank.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Kars

So for fun, a couple of messages from the PM.

Quote: Kars

Listen comrade

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I thought that in mental hospitals the Internet is closed to patients. Or is it the head doctor?

[postman]

Quote: gladiatorakz

Or is it the head doctor?

This lack of fear of getting into a melon, a turnip.

Blogger crazy

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Postman

This lack of fear of getting into a melon, a turnip.

Blogger crazy

It is also an option.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Postman

There will be trouble with Ukraine, I am 100% sure that the first who will come to the rescue will be, I am a Nazi muzzle, s, i.e. we Moreover, those who "spread rot" on this site in this article or in others, are likely to be in the ranks of assistants, NOT IN THE LAST ROWS.

I am sure that if problems arise with the Chinese in the Far East, there will be many volunteers from Ukraine to help Russia. There were many Slavs in Serbia. (He himself was not, but there were many of my colleagues. One died.)

Quote: Postman

But in your (Ukrainian garden) cobblestone:
If (theoretically) we assume a conflict between Ukraine and Romania (Poland, Hungary, Turkey), but I am 100% sure (still 99,99%), DON'T DETECT YOUR OPPOSITION IN THE RUSSIAN MILITARY SIDE, RUSSIAN OFFICERS WILL NOT KILL YOUR AIRCRAFT, TURNING TANKS, SHOWING SHIPS WHICH THEY WERE NOT THE CHauvinists / NAZBOLS.

Obviously no one wants to remember, but there were Russians in Chechnya on the other hand.

Quote: Postman

And if you do not leave for NATO, the EEC there is a lot of work: that in Nikolaev, that in Dnepropetrovsk, on a common cause.

1000% there will be no nat and ec. All these negotiations are part of the global game. Russia has a lever - gas, we have negotiations. There is a bargain. Everyone defends their interests. And this is normal.
The thing is that without fraternal, friendly Ukraine, Russia is far from having such rosy positions as ORT shows. I don’t want to hurt someone’s sense of superiority, inspired by the media, but unification with Ukraine will give Russia at least double its position.
And about teamwork, I’m sure the time will come.

[postman]

Quote: gladiatorakz

but there were Russians in Chechnya on the other hand.

THIS is not the same thing.
Now, if the Crimean Tatars are buchoing in Crimea and you see Russians there on the side of the Crimean Tatars, then yes.

Quote: gladiatorakz

1000% there will be no nat and ec

I just don’t understand what to do to the countries of the former USSR in the EEC.
For NATO, former ATS countries tried to join NATO. A little expensive.
It’s the same as to alter the gauge of the railway roads to the European one.

Quote: gladiatorakz

without fraternal, friendly Ukraine, Russia is far from having such rosy positions as ORT shows.

And in what?

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Postman

Now, if the Crimean Tatars are buchoing in Crimea and you see Russians there on the side of the Crimean Tatars, then yes

If Chechen Russia won in 1 in two weeks, as they were going, then I think in less than a year we would have seen Russian troops in Crimea. It would be a "peacekeeping operation" to return "ours." I think partly because of this there was support (not state, but the same OUN gave the opportunity). The Airborne Forces repeatedly sat in an elevated b.g. in a two-hour readiness to depart for the Crimea. (The FSB acted insolently there. They lit the light.) In addition, there were many Russian troops that had not yet been withdrawn in Crimea. My brother's company (marines) captured the Russian tank regiment and kept it under arrest for three days, until Kuchma and Yeltsin agreed on something. There were a lot of things. In Russia, they began to especially drive to Ukraine after the 1st PM, but the activity on the buildup of the Crimea was reduced.

Quote: Postman

I just don’t understand what to do to the countries of the former USSR in the EEC.
For NATO, former ATS countries tried to join NATO. A little expensive.
It’s the same as to alter the gauge of the railway roads to the European one.

Yes, no one understands. We pretend we want in the EU. And the EU is pretending to seriously think when to accept Ukraine. The game is like that.

Quote: Postman

And in what?

Yes, a lot. 1. Rearmament is good! As they say: The military is preparing for the wars that have already taken place. (note the frequent mention of 08.08.08) Although the ethnic expansion in the Far East is in full swing. And this is also a military operation. Migration of Chinese, Caucasians, Asians. 2. Soldering, drug addiction of the Russian population. One of the military actions against Russia. 3. Demokrisis. After all, if you look closely, no one is fighting with him. The media are weapons of mass destruction for the Russian population. See what extremes from "everything is lost" to "throwing earflaps" 4. Now the beginning of the war for the Arctic. And in 5-5 years everything can already be decided. This means that theaters are increasing. And far from weak countries and associations participate in the race. You can also throw in 10 ...
Well, something like this.

[postman]

Quote: gladiatorakz

then I think in less than a year we would see Russian troops in the Crimea.

I hardly believe that the Russians would go by force to take Crimea from the Ukrainians, from the TURK, yes.

Quote: gladiatorakz

My brother's company (marines) captured the Russian tank regiment and kept him in custody for my three days

Something I have not heard.
Where is there in the Crimea a tank regiment?

Yes, and I doubt that the company (even the 2nd, reinforced with a grenade platoon) will do something with the tank regiment. There will not be enough resources, and even 3 days, the guys will fall asleep, tearing themselves.
About the 1st MP VMSU in "Exercise Northern Light 03" (September 2003 Scotland)

Quote: gladiatorakz

The FSB acted brazenly there. They kindled a light.

They had enough work at home, above the roof (I know personally), and the resources are not the same, to the buildup and the coal, in my opinion these are stories.

Quote: gladiatorakz

Yes, a lot of things.

2,3,4,5 Russia itself will cope
1.Yes. Of the 20 strategic missiles, 13 were manufactured in Ukraine (if I am not mistaken)

[postman]

Quote: gladiatorakz

then I think in less than a year we would see Russian troops in the Crimea.

I hardly believe that the Russians would go by force to take Crimea from the Ukrainians, from the TURK, yes.

Quote: gladiatorakz

My brother's company (marines) captured the Russian tank regiment and kept him in custody for my three days

Something I have not heard.
Where is there in the Crimea a tank regiment?



Yes, and I doubt that the company (even the 2nd, reinforced with a grenade platoon) will do something with the tank regiment. There will not be enough resources, and even 3 days, the guys will fall asleep, tearing themselves.
About the 1st MP VMSU in "Exercise Northern Light 03" (September 2003 Scotland)

Quote: gladiatorakz

The FSB acted brazenly there. They kindled a light.

They had enough work at home, above the roof (I know personally), and the resources are not the same, to the buildup and the coal, in my opinion these are stories.

Quote: gladiatorakz

Yes, a lot of things.

2,3,4,5 Russia itself will cope
1.Yes. Of the 20 strategic missiles, 13 were manufactured in Ukraine (if I am not mistaken)

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: Postman

2,3,4,5 Russia itself will cope

I will only be glad if Russia will be a role model in all. Then, too, the changes will go better for the better. But for now, Belarus is rather among the Slavs a role model.

Quote: Postman

Something I have not heard.

There were many events. Both inside the country and outside.

Quote: Postman

They had enough work at home, above the roof (I know personally), and the resources are not the same, to the buildup and the coal, in my opinion these are stories.

Think it yourself? No. Nothing happens on its own in this world. Yes, and I do not convince.

[nnz226]

The maximum that Russia can "take away" from the Square is Crimea! (This will solve the problem of the Black Sea Fleet, the Kerch Strait, ports on the Black Sea coast, etc.) Given by a bald corn-grower in 1954 "in honor of the 300th anniversary of the reunification of Ukraine with Russia", and if it is disconnected, the gift must be returned. Then you can forget about this territory. Further, the "fate" of Poland will most likely begin, the territory that becomes a buffer between Russia and the West is almost always divided between them. (The history from the 18th to the 20th century confirms this) Galicia is good to return to the Poles, so that they do not blather about the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact, and at the same time look at Svidomo, how their gentlemen will return to the state of "bangs and cattle".

[smoliackow]

After reading all the messages, it seemed that in general, Ukrainians understand that something needs to be done, something like going to meet Russia, but as you can see from the outside, inside Ukraine, in fact, the separation, and the separation has roots not religious but national, and of course enemies do not sleep, they use all means to prevent Russia from becoming an Empire again, and unfortunately many in Ukraine are reluctant to notice this.

[Corsair5912]

Russia ceased to be an empire in the 1917 year.
The USSR was not an empire; there was no metropolis or colonies.
Russia with 50% of the population of the USSR gave 80% of industrial and agricultural production and had the lowest standard of living of the population. That is, in fact, the only colony in the USSR was Russia, which fed the entire shobla of the Union republics. Now it is seen more clearly than ever.

[Setrac]

Well, duck on this, the CMEA countries and the countries of the former USSR were offended by Russia that they stopped paying, that’s where the elite’s hatred came from.

[smoliackow]

Yes, it’s true, but not quite, yet the USSR was an ideological empire, spreading communism all over the world, holding its socialist countries all over the world, and surpassing the Russian empire in terms of its influence on the whole world, but this ideology rested more on fear, and planting their puppets, and people were not always asked whether they like communism or not, that the USSR fell apart, from the inside, and with help from outside. Now, after 20 years of half-life, Russia wants it or doesn’t even want it, it is posed by God like that to be an empire, and of course everyone dislikes this very much.

[evil]

"Ukraine and Russia are not the divided German people of the GDR and the FRG, but the people who have lost their kinship with each other. Before talking about reunification, it is necessary at least to return the" fraternal friendship of peoples "that existed during the Soviet era."
No, this is one people, this bitch Yeltsin struck out Ukrainians from Russian

[washi]

Gogol considered himself a RUSSIAN writer. Shevchenko officially did not leave a desire for anyone to consider him, but given that he was forced to serve ... And he served. Then the name of the city was Shevchenko. He was offended by the Russians and then in his letters showed them as wild uneducated people.
Such "offended" immeasurably now