We lost lands without war: who are the people who are “selling out” our Motherland?

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We lost lands without war: who are the people who are “selling out” our Motherland?

When it comes to the sale of Russian lands, the first thing that usually comes to mind is Alaska, which Emperor Alexander II sold to the Americans in 1867.

Meanwhile, there were other lands. For example, Russia owned quite vast territories that today belong to California, these territories were called. Fort Ross. The official version of the reason for the sale of these lands is their unprofitability.



However, in this case, it is worth noting one fact that Ross was sold when the Russians achieved the greatest success in the economic development of land in California and received maximum yields.

In both cases, such actions were dictated by the desire to “make friends” with Western countries, which, as today, were not going to be friends with us.

However, little has changed today. It is worth recalling that for many decades there has been a dispute between Russia and Japan, which lays claim to the Southern Kuril Islands.

Typically, the only legal reason for Tokyo to raise this issue is the Joint Soviet-Japanese Statement of 1991, which recognizes the existence of a problem with the Kuril Islands. It is also important who signed it on the Russian side – Mikhail Gorbachev, whose policies led to the collapse of the USSR.

At the beginning of August of this year, the so-called forum of “free peoples of post-Russia” was held in Japan, in which delegates from among Russian emigrants and separatists participated.

So, these traitors to their Motherland signed another agreement on the development of a peace agreement, which has not been signed between Russia and Japan since 1945. Naturally, the main condition in it is the transfer of the Southern Kuril Islands to the jurisdiction of Tokyo.

Tellingly, one of the signatories of this legally useless paper is former State Duma deputy Ilya Ponomarev (recognized as a foreign agent, extremist and terrorist in Russia *), who openly opposed the annexation of Crimea, assistance to the residents of Donbass and generally criticized the policies of the Russian authorities, and then completely fled to the West. At the same time, he was deprived of his parliamentary mandate only in 2016. For absenteeism...



Moreover, if we consider the “pedigree” of this “successful businessman and politician,” then behind it stretches a stable trail of inextricable ties with Russian oligarchs, many of whom also fled Russia, knowingly preparing for themselves a warm place in the West.

His father was an adviser to Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov. After the start of our Northern Military District, he took the side of Ukraine and left Russia. Mother was actually a senator from Chukotka, and before that she worked for years as an assistant to the oligarch Abramovich. In 2022, she and her husband left for Warsaw.

In this case, it is noteworthy that all of the above-mentioned people were related to the Russian authorities in one way or another. And this is just one particular example.

How many more people who want to “trade the Motherland” in the name of friendship with the West remain in leadership positions? Probably many more.

At the same time, after the start of the Northern Military District in Ukraine, our country has a unique opportunity to get rid of traitors. After all, most of them have already revealed their faces. How many more will be revealed?

True, it is obvious that today more stringent and decisive measures are needed to cleanse Russia of pests. At a minimum, do not allow fugitive oligarchs into the country, who supposedly have the right to “sit out” here on the basis of their Russian citizenship (it is not known which one) and, naturally, nationalize their assets in favor of the state, which they have been plundering and selling off for years.
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  1. +14
    5 November 2023 13: 07
    The Kuril Islands were almost given away due to Yeltsin’s stupidity, God forbid.
    In Alaska, everything is more complicated - by the middle of the 1867th century, after the defeat of Russia in the Crimean War, the British Empire consolidated the Dominion of Canada (British North America Act of XNUMX), had significant forces and a fleet in Canada and the Pacific Ocean, and had the strength to resist it. Russia was not present in the American contingent.
    Therefore, the tsar decided to give Alaska to Britain’s opponent, the United States, which was poorly developed as it seemed then.
    Gold and oil had not yet been found in Alaska at that time.
    1. +11
      5 November 2023 13: 13
      It was even worse there.
      Fort Ross was handed over (or rather sold) to a businessman from California, practically at gunpoint from the English.
      Do we all remember about the heroic defense of Petropavlovka-Kamchatsky? Well, if you don’t remember, read it on the Internet. And what happened then you know? As a result of the peace treaty, the base in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky was razed. And Alaska turned into a “suitcase without a handle.” Let’s not forget that America is nearby, and the fact that they sold is already a diplomatic feat. Why buy something that will already be ours, these were the thoughts in America at that time.
      1. -3
        5 November 2023 14: 23
        During the 20 years they were in Alaska, the Russians killed 20 million seals. In those years, animal fat was a valuable industrial raw material; oil refining was not carried out then. Animal meat was simply thrown into the sea.
        Let's leave the moral and ethical moment aside and think about where this fat went? It was sold for next to nothing in the USA. It was impossible to take him to central Russia. Those. all the wealth of Alaska went to the prosperity of the United States, and the Russian Tsar spent annually on the security of these territories.
        Fort Ross was a town of smugglers who robbed the Russian state.
        The Russians would start mining gold in Alaska. Where would they buy the equipment? Where would the mined gold be taken? To Moscow? 2t. km across the ocean, then another 9 thousand km on sleighs and carts.
        Alaska was not sold, but exchanged for railroad property. This deal made it possible to instantly make peasant Russia a railway power. All Russian victories of the late 19th century in the Caucasus and Central Asia were associated with the construction of railways.
        1. +8
          5 November 2023 15: 48
          How many locals were killed by the colonists???? Wait, they call it Americans....
          1. -6
            7 November 2023 20: 21
            Quote: RVAPatriot
            How many locals were killed by the colonists???? Wait, they call it Americans....

            You can easily calculate using the example of the Caucasian War. And don’t forget about the resettlement of 300 thousand Circassians to Turkey
        2. +16
          5 November 2023 16: 43
          To cleanse Russia of pests today, more stringent and decisive measures are needed. At a minimum, do not allow fugitive oligarchs into the country, who supposedly have the right to “sit out” here on the basis of their Russian citizenship (it is not known which one) and, naturally, nationalize their assets in favor of the state, which they have been plundering and selling off for years.

          The same should apply to Russian officials who are potentially corrupt to the West and to all those foreign migrants who accept Russian citizenship.
          This is exactly the same proven experience that it makes sense for Russia to adopt from the United States and other countries of the “Washington Regional Committee” in the matter of taking the oath of Russian citizenship by a foreigner. Namely.

          OATH OF CITIZENSHIP IN THE USA
          Text of the oath IN ENGLISH
          “I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”

          Text of the US oath in RUSSIAN
          “I here and now declare under oath that I absolutely and completely renounce and renounce any oath, allegiance or affiliation to any foreign prince, monarch, state or sovereignty to which or to which I previously belonged as a subject or citizen;
          that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic;
          that I will show sincere loyalty and devotion to these laws;
          what am I will undertake armed service in the interests of the United Stateswhen required by law;
          that I will perform non-military government service in the United States Army when required by law;
          that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by law;
          and that I accept this duty freely and without any mental reservations or purposes of avoiding it;
          That’s how God helps me.”


          And what kind of loyalty to SOVEREIGNTY and NATIONAL SECURITY of Russia and the Russian people can we talk about Russian officials and foreign migrants if they have foreign citizenship, adopted by them or retained by them for the country of their origin in Russia?!

          REFERENCE
          Permanent residence - Permanent residence, Residence permit — Temporary place of residence.

          Deputy Prime Ministers and Ministers in Russia
          Olga Golodey - Deputy Prime Minister of Russia Residence permit of Italy
          Dmitry Koza - Deputy Prime Minister of Russia Residence permit of Switzerland
          Denis Manturovk= Minister of Industry – Swiss Permanent Residence
          Maxim Topilin – Minister of Labor and Social Protection – Bulgarian residence permit

          Members of the Council of the Federation of Russia
          Andrey Klishas - Swiss permanent residence
          Andrey Turchak – French residence permit
          Boris Nevzorov – Cypriot citizenship
          Valery Ponamorev – British citizenship
          Sergey Lisovsky – French citizenship

          Deputy Ministers of the Russian Federation
          Azerbaijani Talibov – Deputy Minister of Economic Development – ​​French residence permit
          Nikolay Ovsienko Deputy Minister of Culture - Bulgarian residence permit
          Alexey Lavrov - Deputy Minister of Finance for permanent residence
          Murat Kerimov - Deputy Minister of Natural Resources - IRP of France and residence permit of Cyprus
          Andrey Rodenko - Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs - Austrian residence permit
          1. +3
            5 November 2023 16: 48
            Quote: Tatiana
            The same should apply to Russian officials who are potentially corrupt to the West and to all those foreign migrants who accept Russian citizenship.
            This is exactly the same proven experience that it makes sense for Russia to adopt from the United States and other countries of the “Washington Regional Committee” in the matter of taking the oath of Russian citizenship by a foreigner. Namely.

            Thank you Tatyana, our smart girl! love
            You write and think correctly hi
            I bow my head for your intelligence and analytics.. good
          2. +3
            5 November 2023 18: 26
            Residence permit - residence permit. The list, by the way, is far from complete. But you tried, apparently, and were in a great hurry.
          3. -6
            6 November 2023 11: 17
            Tatiana. If you write with errors, Russian is not your native language. What citizenship are you?
          4. +6
            6 November 2023 14: 31
            dual citizenship must be abolished. maximum with an allied country. otherwise he is a potential deserter or traitor
            1. 0
              9 November 2023 15: 21
              Capitalism, which gives rise to such things, must be abolished. Steel wall and everyone in line.
          5. -4
            7 November 2023 20: 29
            Quote: Tatiana
            To cleanse Russia of pests today, more stringent and decisive measures are needed. At a minimum, do not allow fugitive oligarchs into the country, who supposedly have the right to “sit out” here on the basis of their Russian citizenship (it is not known which one) and, naturally, nationalize their assets in favor of the state, which they have been plundering and selling off for years.

            The same should apply to Russian officials who are potentially corrupt to the West and to all those foreign migrants who accept Russian citizenship.
            This is exactly the same proven experience that it makes sense for Russia to adopt from the United States and other countries of the “Washington Regional Committee” in the matter of taking the oath of Russian citizenship by a foreigner. Namely.

            OATH OF CITIZENSHIP IN THE USA
            Text of the oath IN ENGLISH
            “I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”

            Text of the US oath in RUSSIAN
            “I here and now declare under oath that I absolutely and completely renounce and renounce any oath, allegiance or affiliation to any foreign prince, monarch, state or sovereignty to which or to which I previously belonged as a subject or citizen;
            that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic;
            that I will show sincere loyalty and devotion to these laws;
            what am I will undertake armed service in the interests of the United Stateswhen required by law;
            that I will perform non-military government service in the United States Army when required by law;
            that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by law;
            and that I accept this duty freely and without any mental reservations or purposes of avoiding it;
            That’s how God helps me.”


            And what kind of loyalty to SOVEREIGNTY and NATIONAL SECURITY of Russia and the Russian people can we talk about Russian officials and foreign migrants if they have foreign citizenship, adopted by them or retained by them for the country of their origin in Russia?!

            REFERENCE
            Permanent residence - Permanent residence, Residence permit — Temporary place of residence.

            Deputy Prime Ministers and Ministers in Russia
            Olga Golodey - Deputy Prime Minister of Russia Residence permit of Italy
            Dmitry Koza - Deputy Prime Minister of Russia Residence permit of Switzerland
            Denis Manturovk= Minister of Industry – Swiss Permanent Residence
            Maxim Topilin – Minister of Labor and Social Protection – Bulgarian residence permit

            Members of the Council of the Federation of Russia
            Andrey Klishas - Swiss permanent residence
            Andrey Turchak – French residence permit
            Boris Nevzorov – Cypriot citizenship
            Valery Ponamorev – British citizenship
            Sergey Lisovsky – French citizenship

            Deputy Ministers of the Russian Federation
            Azerbaijani Talibov – Deputy Minister of Economic Development – ​​French residence permit
            Nikolay Ovsienko Deputy Minister of Culture - Bulgarian residence permit
            Alexey Lavrov - Deputy Minister of Finance for permanent residence
            Murat Kerimov - Deputy Minister of Natural Resources - IRP of France and residence permit of Cyprus
            Andrey Rodenko - Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs - Austrian residence permit

            Let's be honest. Which of them lives abroad now? Having real estate abroad is not a reason to consider a person disloyal. In civilized countries. The President of Georgia, for example, was born and lived in France. Any Western politician has real estate abroad.
      2. -1
        5 November 2023 15: 32
        Quote: Not the fighter
        Let’s not forget that America is nearby, and the fact that they sold is already a diplomatic feat.

        And the fact that they didn’t receive the money, whose feat? No payment, no deal! So, no matter how you look at it, Alaska is Russian. hi
      3. -3
        5 November 2023 20: 29
        Quote: Not the fighter
        Do we all remember about the heroic defense of Petropavlovka-Kamchatsky?

        The Muscovites amaze me with their geographic cretinism. What is the connection between P-Kamchatsky and Russian America? Between P-Kamchatsky and Novo-Arkhangelsk there are more than 4000 km in a straight line, which is about the same as between France and the USA.
    2. +8
      5 November 2023 13: 15
      Therefore, the king decided to give Alaska
      There was not the slightest possibility of holding her - there was simply no one to do it, and there was no supply - far away.
      1. -2
        5 November 2023 15: 50
        There were opportunities, but pressure from all corners of the world.... This is the result!
        1. +9
          5 November 2023 19: 03
          If the Russian emperor would have sold Chukotka in addition, then the “justifiers” wrote something like this: “.. There was not the slightest possibility of holding Chukotka - there was simply no one to do it, and there was no supply - far away.”
          1. -2
            7 November 2023 20: 33
            Quote: Marine engineer
            If the Russian emperor would have sold Chukotka in addition, then the “justifiers” wrote something like this: “.. There was not the slightest possibility of holding Chukotka - there was simply no one to do it, and there was no supply - far away.”

            Why don’t you remember how many islands in the Far East were given to China? What water area was given to Norway? How many villages along with their inhabitants were transferred to Azerbaijan?
      2. 0
        5 November 2023 16: 51
        Quote: Bolt Cutter
        Therefore, the king decided to give Alaska
        There was not the slightest possibility of holding her - there was simply no one to do it, and there was no supply - far away.

        Alaska itself would have survived, but under Russia... They sold it in vain!
        She is essentially Russian..
        1. 0
          5 November 2023 21: 05
          Quote: Faktorist
          She is essentially Russian..

          I agree with you. But the site has a military theme, and there are many spies from the West. That's why they are downvoted. Even the historical fact that the money for Alaska did not reach St. Petersburg is not recognized! hi
        2. +2
          5 November 2023 23: 54
          In fact, relations with the local population in Alaska were not always peaceful. There were even wars. And Russian colonists and merchants, especially at first, often behaved like colonialists. By the time of the sale, there were just over a thousand Russian settlers left in Alaska. And, for your information, a symbolic peace between local Indian clans and Russia was concluded back in 2004. Although yes, the descendants of those settlers still live there.
    3. +5
      5 November 2023 13: 18
      How can I say “it wasn’t”...
      Not long before this, the Canadians themselves, quite brotherly, involved the Indians in armed resistance to American expansion. Moreover, in an amazing way, the French-speaking settlers rallied with the English-speaking ones. And the enemy did not pass.
      And even more so, in the subarctic conditions of Alaska, they could rely on the Orthodox (!) population of Aleuts and Eskimos and Chukchi, arm them, create supply bases, and some on-site production.
      But in St. Petersburg, someone cared about Alaska like Yeltsin and Crimea, not to mention the Kuril Islands.
      Moreover, they sold Alaska not even to Canada, which at least borders it, but to the States, which, to put it mildly, are not neighbors.
      1. 0
        6 November 2023 10: 28
        So how would this save us from a massive invasion by the British or Americans?
    4. KCA
      -5
      5 November 2023 13: 19
      Before Eltsin, another national hero wanted to give up the Kuril Islands - Khrushchev even signed a letter of intent for the sake of a peace treaty
      1. +8
        5 November 2023 13: 38
        Khrushchev only promised to give up two of the 4 southern islands after the conclusion of a peace treaty. But after Japan's military alliance with the United States in 1960, the USSR Foreign Ministry disavowed this 1956 declaration.
        By the way, according to the Constitution of the USSR of 1936 and the Constitution of the RSFSR of 1937, this declaration of Khrushchev is legally void, because the territory of the union republic (RSFSR) can only be changed with its consent, and the Supreme Council of the RSFSR never accepted any documents on the transfer of part of the Kuril Islands to the Sakhalin region to Japan.
        1. KCA
          +8
          5 November 2023 13: 43
          Tell us how so easily, bypassing the Constitution, Crimea became part of the outskirts? Ass?
          1. +2
            5 November 2023 13: 55
            With Crimea it is more complicated - on June 2, 1954, Khrushchev finally pushed through the Supreme Council of the RSFSR a law excluding the Crimean region from the RSFSR.
            1. KCA
              -1
              5 November 2023 14: 03
              Well, he pushed the Constitution between his buttocks, right?
              1. +7
                5 November 2023 14: 42
                In the case of the 1956 declaration, yes.
            2. +3
              5 November 2023 15: 34
              Quote: Girl with a broom
              With Crimea it is more complicated - on June 2, 1954, Khrushchev finally pushed through the Supreme Council of the RSFSR a law excluding the Crimean region from the RSFSR.

              This means that the Duma of the Russian Federation and the Federation Council can repeal this Law. hi
            3. -4
              5 November 2023 18: 44
              You want to sort through this dregs. During the years of Soviet power, regions and republics changed their borders. You can get to the bottom of anything. For example, my city was in the Gorky region, and then without leaving the place it ended up in the Kirov region. My wife’s mother was born in the Smolensk region, and then, without moving anywhere, she ended up in Kaluga.
              All these references to Khrushchev. just a pathetic excuse for the Kremlin. They have nothing to do with everything.
              1. KCA
                +1
                6 November 2023 00: 22
                Has your city moved from the Gorky region to another republic or country? The Kirov region was also part of the RSFSR, I also live in a city in the Moscow region, which was created from three villages in the Kalinin region and then transferred to the Moscow region
          2. -1
            5 November 2023 13: 56
            With Crimea it is more complicated - on June 2, 1954, Khrushchev finally pushed through the Supreme Council of the RSFSR a law excluding the Crimean region from the RSFSR.
        2. +4
          6 November 2023 10: 24
          The Supreme Councils of the USSR and all republics simply raised their hands, expressing 100% “approval” of any decision of the Politburo.
          1. 0
            7 November 2023 18: 25
            The Supreme Councils of the USSR and all republics simply raised their hands, expressing 100% “approval” of any decision of the Politburo.


            Isn’t that the case in the current State Duma and Federation Council?
            All they have time to do is press buttons for themselves and 5-6 “comrades” in the party who were burgled to come to meetings
    5. +6
      5 November 2023 13: 20
      Quote: Girl with a broom
      In Alaska, everything is more complicated

      Yes, it seems like they even gave bribes to senators to buy it. If you believe what is written
    6. +3
      5 November 2023 13: 27
      Yes, Alaska was completely undeveloped. And the population there was only a few thousand. It seems that if the sale had not happened, this would have been the most depressed region for decades. Again, the clash with the British Empire, which was brewing there, was definitely not resolved in favor of Russia.
      So the sale of Alaska became
      natural and, at that time, justified. And interest in its sale arose only during the years of perestroika.
      But in newfangled matters....
      Somehow there is information about the almost completed transfer of land in the area of ​​Lake Khasan to China. Yeltsin literally held the pen to sign, but he was dissuaded. As a result, China would gain access to the Pacific Ocean, Russia would lose its border with the DPRK.
      1. -8
        5 November 2023 15: 52
        Don't lie.... The text of your comment is too short and, in the opinion of the site administration, does not contain useful information.
      2. -2
        5 November 2023 16: 00
        U-58 is a small German submarine....Who are you???
        1. -1
          5 November 2023 17: 51
          Lieutenant, for what purpose are you interested?
          1. -6
            5 November 2023 18: 21
            You are now showing yourself as a representative of the 3rd Reich, which gives you the right to contact some bodies... fascism.... glorification of Nazism, etc.
            1. 0
              5 November 2023 18: 31
              As a representative of the Reich?
              Well, you really promoted me very much. It took my breath away!...
              But they did not reveal their goal.
    7. +1
      5 November 2023 13: 44
      Regarding the Kuril Islands, there is a book by Korzhakov “From Dawn to Dusk”, where he describes all the details.
      And on the site there were materials on the issue of the Kuril Islands, a preliminary agreement dating back to 1959.
      Korzhakov also writes about this and there were publications on the website about 4 years ago
      1. +2
        5 November 2023 15: 31
        who are the people who are “selling out” our Motherland?
        Today, 13: 02
        mmmdaa..who are they? 12 years after the Second World War, our satellite went into space... since 1990, only degradation, many have bypassed us, I won’t list it, it’s already shown.
    8. 0
      13 November 2023 07: 12
      The article has no author, I wonder who wrote this opus? Apparently they were embarrassed to write their name under these nonsense.
      For example, Russia owned quite vast territories that today belong to California, these territories were called. Fort Ross. The official version of the reason for the sale of these lands is their unprofitability.

      This “possession” is a mere formality; in fact, it is a remote village of settlers. Possession is ensured by population and military strength, but there were no forces there.
      The British also founded the first settlement of Jamestown, then they found a profitable business in growing tobacco, and new settlers arrived to capture and develop new lands. In total, the British founded 13 colonies on the Atlantic coast, in which 1775 million people lived at the time of 2,4.
      The lands need to be developed and populated, and not sit in a fort.
  2. +9
    5 November 2023 13: 15
    Any politician who raises the issue of selling the lands of our ancestors must be thrown to the wall immediately.
    And those who raise the question of any transfer of the Kurillas or Kaliningrad, Karelia, Siberia and then to the Japanese, Germans, Finns, Americans... should be imprisoned for 25 years without any mercy.
    1. +15
      5 November 2023 13: 20
      Then part of the Duma and the Federation Council can now be put up against the wall.
  3. +11
    5 November 2023 13: 18
    If Alcoholic were still alive, then for the sake of incomprehensible “universal human values” and “democracy”, they would give everything beyond the Urals
  4. +27
    5 November 2023 13: 19
    why not remember Medvedev, who gave the Norwegians a huge piece of maritime waters in the Barents Sea??? voluntarily gave up to other states as much land and sea territories as Russia... our rulers are really crazy...
  5. -15
    5 November 2023 13: 20
    This is the so-called “Ponomarev” is a mere baby in the matter of squandering the country compared to:
    1st place - V.I.Ulyanov (Blank)
    2nd place - M.S.Gorbachev & B,N, Yeltsin
    3rd place - E.A. Shevardnadze
    4th place - D.A. Medvedev
    PS 5 "honorable" - not awarded to V.V. Putin, because he first gave the Chinese lands in the Far East, but then returned Crimea and part of Little Russia. We wish him success in returning the primordially Russian lands temporarily occupied by the "404" gang for exclusion from this list.
    Only the one who does nothing is not wrong
  6. +14
    5 November 2023 13: 21
    I would not like to look like a radical, but the situation is such that it is only possible to clean out the Augean stables of the oligarchy using the standards of Lavrentiy Beria. Whether we like it or not. The complexity of the situation, in my opinion, lies in the fact that a number of clans, whose place is in cesspools, have penetrated very deeply into power structures, sprouted there, and created their nests. Having stolen state property in the early 90s and fleeced the people, today they are hiding, biding their time, temporarily leaving the country, many fled to the USA or Israel, having citizenship of these countries.

    But on the other hand, I have to admit that there is an underestimation of the threat posed by these comrades - hidden and obvious enemies of the people, and they cannot be called anything else. I draw this conclusion based on the measures that are being taken against them today. After all, by and large, considering what they did at different times, how much they stole and what damage they caused, so far they have had nothing for it. I hope that measures of the most stringent nature will still be taken, because with such figures it is possible to speak exclusively in the language of the rack and the Spanish boot.

    We must proceed from the fact that they are traitors to the Motherland, who grew out of the most ordinary crime. The methods of working with such a contingent were clearly demonstrated in his time by Felix Edmundovich Dzerzhinsky.

    These traitor-thieves come in a variety of sizes: there are bigger fish, and there are smaller ones. There are those who flee to the Baltics, where they give interviews to local Russian-language publications, reminiscent of the Volkische Beobachter, only in Russian. These are petty oppositionists, liberals who hate everything Russian. Professional Vlasovites. And there are those who flee with huge amounts of money, stolen state property, they hold councils, congresses, and appoint governments in exile. And these actions should not be underestimated. The experience of the 20-30s of the twentieth century, accumulated by the security officers, says that the threat of such organizations cannot be underestimated. And here it is important to understand that for such: the court is not a right, but a privilege.
    1. +4
      5 November 2023 14: 01
      Absolutely correct comment
    2. -1
      5 November 2023 15: 42
      Quote: Vladlous
      I would not like to look like a radical, but the situation is such that it is only possible to clean out the Augean stables of the oligarchy using the standards of Lavrentiy Beria.

      Let me humbly remind you that using the methods of Lavrenty Pavlovich oligarchs you can only amnesty.
      And what you meant was carried out using methods Yagoda and Yezhova...
      1. -1
        5 November 2023 18: 30
        I'll humbly add - Augean stables. And citizens Yagoda and Yezhov were cleaned by gr. Beria and co. And then they were cleaned. As a result, again Augean, ....
  7. fiv
    +15
    5 November 2023 13: 29
    D. Medvedev sent Norway 80 ka. km. shelf of the Norwegian Sea. There's not a word in the article. Although this is not land.
    1. +4
      5 November 2023 14: 50
      Quote: fiv
      D. Medvedev sent Norway 80 ka. km. shelf of the Norwegian Sea. There's not a word in the article. Although this is not land.

      And who allowed him to do this while Putin was alive? Why didn’t they give away everything that was due under the rules of the IML (International Law of the Sea), which Russia ratified long before Medvedev? Maybe, on the contrary, he should be erected a monument for not giving up the entire water area along the median line between the land territories of Norway and the Russian Federation? Someone can say from what hangover in the USSR the polar boundaries were drawn from the junction and along the meridians to the North. pole? Has anyone seen similar dotted lines on maps of other circumpolar countries? And why are we not drawing such borders in the Arctic now?
      Oh, how many questions? Maybe it’s worth delving into the very essence of the issue with the division of water areas, incl. in the Bering Sea. How did the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee allow Shevardnadze to “trade around the Motherland”? After all, this did not happen in the 90s, but under the USSR, and it was the USSR that, since 1975, persuaded the United States to draw a border there in mutual interests, where we agreed to give up huge water areas rich in fish. Oh, you didn’t know about this? The Internet and official documents can help you. request
      1. 0
        5 November 2023 15: 45
        Quote: Saburov_Alexander53
        Oh, how many questions?
        - you spat in the soul “#everything is lost power is draining”...
      2. fiv
        +4
        5 November 2023 17: 19
        In your comment on my post there are already nine question marks for twelve sentences... If you want to defend some position, use meaningful affirmative sentences, and not demagogic oratorical techniques, we have here not a square, but a club. I'm hearing you.
        1. 0
          6 November 2023 09: 35
          fiv (Igor), by inserting question marks into my text, I tried to encourage you to think independently and search for answers to such elementary questions. But you prefer that everything be told and explained to you from the outside. Are you ready to believe everything that others tell you, or is it better to dig in yourself and understand the reason for certain decisions regarding water areas in the Bering and Barents Seas. And I gave you a framework for understanding these issues - the IMP, which Russia joined and ratified. And if so, it pledged to follow its provisions on the delimitation of sea areas, where the basis is the “median line” between the coasts of the two countries. And if strictly according to the ISL, then the border in the Barents Sea should be cut off even more in favor of Norway, which Norway has insisted on for many years. Another thing is that there are countries that did not ratify the IMP or did so with reservations, according to the principle - the Law is what the drawbar is...wherever you pull, it goes there. And we could have delayed resolving this issue as long as we wanted and the Norwegians would not have done anything to us. They would have jostled with elbows and trawlers in this area, arrested them and taken them under escort to their ports, as happened more than once... But in the end they decided to come to an agreement for good, as it seemed to us then with Medvedev and Putin behind him. “We wanted the best...” and then you know from V.S. Chernomyrdin...
          Even funnier is the story of the Bering Sea. I have already described it in my own words on this site. It was the USSR in 1975 that was puzzled by the complexity of control over the maritime border and the KGB, represented by the border troops, convinced of the advisability of maximum straightening, in order to easily capture violators. There were no GPS and Glonass back then, and there were constant disputes over the accuracy of recording border violations by fishermen, etc. However, the USSR Ministry of Fisheries was categorically against it, pointing out the loss of rich water areas for fishing if the border was drawn as proposed by the KGB. Of course, the all-powerful KGB won, defending its version of preserving the straightness and inviolability of the same direct border already in the Chukchi (!!!) Sea, where if strictly according to the ISR and the “median line” we would have to cede waters to the United States. But the United States did not ratify the IMP at all and did not press this issue. The whole initiative was from the USSR!!!! The government and the Politburo instructed the USSR Academy of Sciences to prepare a draft treaty, and it took a long time to negotiate with the United States, which brushed us off like an annoying fly - they were already happy with everything! But we put the finishing touches on them and sent Shevardnadze to sign our version of the treaty! On behalf of the party and the Government, as has always been the case in the USSR.
          Well... will you continue to blame all the dogs on Shevardnadze alone?
          1. fiv
            0
            6 November 2023 12: 10
            Dear Alexander! What you have stated is a simplified view of the problem. Omitting the rich background to the conclusion of the agreement, I note that without the goodwill of the Russian Federation, which stands for good neighborliness, and hopes for some preferences in northern affairs, the agreement would not have been signed. It wasn't necessary. I think that in the coming years it will be denounced by Russia.
            1. +1
              7 November 2023 10: 02
              Dear, fiv (Igor), you and I have come to a complete understanding, because I’m talking about the same thing, we wanted the best.... And indeed, in the agreement on the delimitation of the Bering Sea, we included the immutability of the border in Chukotka, which was always drawn in the USSR straight along the meridian to the pole. Yes, now on our maps they have stopped drawing the boundaries of property in the Arctic, right up to the North Pole. And we remember the scandal, how everyone attacked when our Mirs placed the Russian flag on the ocean floor exactly at the pole. and we had to justify ourselves that this did not mean territorial claims at all, but just a pennant, the same as it was left on the Moon. But now, having signed the IMP, we have all the legal grounds to claim the shelf and not only 200 miles from the coast, but to prove that the reserve. Lomonosov is a continuation of the continental shelf and is our economic zone.
              But the economic zone only limits fishing and the extraction of other resources by other countries without Russia’s consent. But with freedom of navigation everything is much more complicated. The ISR directly proclaims freedom of navigation outside territorial waters 12 miles from the coast, and it turns out that everyone who does not enter this zone, but can independently navigate the NSR far from territorial waters, has every right to do so. And even more than that, they want to pin us down with the IRM fad about freedom of navigation in the straits, which are located in our territorial waters!!! And according to this point, everyone can freely navigate through Gibraltar, the Strait of Malacca, all the Sounds and the Skagerrak through Denmark from the Baltic... For us and absolutely everyone, there is freedom of navigation through the Tsugaru (Sangara) Strait between the island. Honshu and Hokkaido across Japan. Nobody forbids us to walk along the Northern Passage around Canada if the need arises, but formally this is no different from our NSR. It’s just that there is no point in transporting anything around Canada yet and they are making do with the Panama Canal or land routes.
              And so we have to look for our arguments bypassing the MSR, calling them the maintenance of the NSR infrastructure, environmental protection, and so on. And here whoever is stronger is right! If only we had enough strength to defend our rights to the Northern Sea Route.
  8. +3
    5 November 2023 13: 38
    “they weren’t going to be friends with us” author, take the trouble to remember: what kind of vehicles did Russia have at that time? The “Crimean War” was just underway. The English and French fleets could easily intercept Russian ships, and for Russia every ship counted.
    P
    S
    The American and English press were sure that Russia sold these lands for a bribe.
    Unfortunately, I don’t remember the amount of “kickback” that, in their opinion, Russia received.
    There were extensive materials about this in the magazines: "Neva", Around the World (pre-revolutionary), "Motherland" in the 90s.
  9. +3
    5 November 2023 13: 57
    who are the people who are “selling out” our Motherland?

    The rules about swearing do not allow answering this question.
  10. VLR
    +10
    5 November 2023 14: 24
    after the start of the Northern Military District in Ukraine, our country has a unique opportunity to get rid of traitors.

    Smart rulers would have gotten rid of the traitors before the start of the Northern Military District. And they wouldn’t give a reason to write here that at least now we should finally get rid of it. from traitors.
    1. -7
      5 November 2023 15: 47
      Quote: VlR
      Smart rulers would have gotten rid of the traitors before the start of the Northern Military District.

      Pfff....and how smart the rulers were - that in 1941 alone it was formed 600 000 Hivi traitors?
      1. -2
        6 November 2023 09: 45
        Three minusers dropped....The Criminal Code of the RSFSR of 1926 considered the "Hiwis" to be unambiguous traitors, and the people thought the same...
      2. -2
        7 November 2023 22: 51
        Quote: your1970
        Pfft....and how smart were the rulers - that in 1941 alone, 600 “Hiwi” traitors were formed?

        There are visible traitors, and there are hidden ones. By 1941, there were plenty of descendants of whites, kulaks and citizens of annexed territories who had tasted Western values. In addition, among them were those who simply did not want to die in the camps.
  11. 0
    5 November 2023 14: 40
    the thirty-seventh year does not hurt to repeat am
    1. +2
      5 November 2023 20: 20
      As I understand it, you see yourself as an executioner, not a victim. Well, well, a standard misconception.
  12. +5
    5 November 2023 14: 46
    They remembered the Kuril Islands... Yes, they are ours! While ours...
    What about the Territory given to Norway?
    In 2010, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg (now NATO Secretary General) signed an agreement on the delimitation of maritime spaces in the Barents Sea and the Arctic Ocean. The state’s 175 thousand square kilometers of disputed waters were divided in half.
    The USSR unilaterally declared this water area as its own in 1926. Norway made claims to the sea much later, in 1976, and also unilaterally.
    The states could not agree for 40 years. The USSR's attempt to start oil and gas production in the 80s was blocked by Norway. The area was open only for fishing, and in the last few years before the agreement was signed, the kingdom's authorities detained Russian trawlers several times.

    China.
    The Soviet Union took over parts of the Far East during a period when China was divided by civil wars and much of it was occupied by Japan. The PRC was not happy with this situation. The first attempt to agree on the border occurred in 1964: the project had already been prepared, but at that moment Leonid Brezhnev removed Nikita Khrushchev. The new leader was not satisfied with the border proposals.
    In 1969, several border conflicts provoked by China almost led to a full-scale war between the two socialist states. Hundreds of people died in the battle on Damansky Island, and dozens on Lake Zhalanashkol (now the territory of Kazakhstan).
    In 1991, USSR President Mikhail Gorbachev signed an agreement under which part of the border between the countries ran along the Amur fairway. But, as Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov later said, the parties did not determine the status of the islands on the river.
    In October 2004, Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed to transfer to China three plots of land with a total area of ​​337 square kilometers: half of Bolshoi on the Argun River, the whole of Tarabarov and about a third of Bolshoi Ussuriysky on the Amur.
    The Communist Party of the Russian Federation protested against the transfer of the islands to China. The communists said that on the disputed islands there were dachas of residents of nearby Khabarovsk. Two members of the then-banned National Bolshevik Party received 10 months in prison for the “Islands Are Ours” protest.

    Azerbaijan.
    In 2010, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev transferred two Dagestan villages to Azerbaijan - Khrakh-Uba and Uryan-Uba. Azerbaijan received about 148 hectares of land.
    These villages were formed on the site of temporary shepherd camps at the beginning of the XNUMXth century. Lezgins lived there compactly. After the collapse of the USSR, both villages found themselves inside Azerbaijan without access to the border - that is, they became Russian exclaves.
    After the transfer of the villages, their residents asked to go to Russia. According to the Lezgin Information Portal, 410 residents of Khrakh-Uba and 13 from Uryan-Uba decided to move to Dagestan.
    “For five years now we have been scattered around the country, without our own homes. Many residents are in rented apartments. Every year our authorities promise to help us, but nothing is actually done,” the leader of the displaced complained at a meeting with a representative of the head of Dagestan.

    USA.
    In July 1990, a year and a half before the collapse of the USSR, Foreign Minister Eduard Shevarnadze (later the President of Georgia) and US Department of State Head James Baker signed an agreement on the division of the Bering Strait. The USSR Parliament did not have time to ratify it. In the Russian State Duma, the agreement was discussed, but received negative assessments.
    Despite the lack of ratification by Russia, the agreement de facto operates on the basis of an exchange of notes between the USSR Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the US State Department.
    According to the terms of the agreement in the Bering Sea, the United States withdrew:
    - part of the exclusive economic zone of the USSR with an area of ​​23,7 thousand square kilometers, actually transferred by the Soviet Union to the United States in 1977;
    - part of the exclusive economic zone of the USSR with an area of ​​7,7 thousand square kilometers;
    - a continental shelf area of ​​46,3 thousand square kilometers in the open central part of the Bering Sea, located beyond 200 nautical miles from the baseline.
    At the same time, Russia received 4,6 thousand square kilometers of continental shelf.

    A total of approximately 250000 km² was given away. This is almost the same amount as the Leningrad, Novgorod, Tver and Moscow regions taken together!
    Now the question arises about the Kuril “stones”... And they will go to the narrow-eyed ones along with the water territories!
    Another "minus"!
    Question: what area should we “equate” here?
    Novosibirsk?
    For those especially interested... The territory of Crimea is “only” 27 thousand km²
  13. +1
    5 November 2023 14: 56

    In both cases, such actions were dictated by the desire to “make friends” with Western countries, which, as today, were not going to be friends with us.

    In any case, it would not have been possible to develop the Far East and Alaska AND California at the same time - the logistics would be too long. 50 million people now live in California, and in the Far East, God willing, 10 million. Taking into account the road from central Russia to California, it would not be possible to get the number of people necessary for its development and would have to hire Mexicans/Europeans. The result would be a “Texas revolution” in Russian California. So we were very lucky that we managed to sell it
    1. +4
      5 November 2023 16: 06
      Quote from Escariot
      logistics are too long.

      What kind of logistics do Britain and Australia have with Zealand? Closer? However, both Australia and New Zealand have a monarchy, and the monarch is the English king. How do razors cope! ))) This is who we should take as an example!
      1. -2
        6 November 2023 10: 31
        Don't compare their fleet with our fleet. And besides Britain, the United States was nearby and would have taken it even easier...
      2. -1
        7 November 2023 20: 45
        Quote: Fast_mutant
        What kind of logistics do Britain and Australia have with Zealand?

        What kind of logistics the Crimean War showed when they landed 100 thousand troops
  14. +5
    5 November 2023 15: 05
    At the same time, after the start of the Northern Military District in Ukraine, our country has a unique opportunity to get rid of traitors. After all, most of them have already revealed their faces.

    Unfortunately, the bulk of the so-called "management" belongs to those of them who are not going to show their faces.
    So there is no possibility and is not expected.
  15. +4
    5 November 2023 15: 11
    There are many questions for today's government. I’m not even talking about non-supporters, but why not deprive people of citizenship and confiscate all property from those who finance the hostile side, regardless of who they are, ordinary people or “respected” businessmen especially close to the top?
  16. -1
    5 November 2023 15: 32
    Giving up any piece of land for which a soldier’s blood was once shed is betrayal or criminal stupidity. We have had such persons in history, take, for example, Peter 3, the All-Russian Emperor. He loved the Germans so much that he gave them Prussia, which ours legally conquered. As a result, he was overthrown and killed. Historical justice still took its toll centuries later with the return of the Kaliningrad region.
  17. Eug
    0
    5 November 2023 15: 36
    Based on the composition of the Russian delegation at the potential negotiations, 90 percent of the results can be predicted. So far, I see it as very disappointing for Russia, even if the provisions of the agreement are fulfilled (which I strongly doubt) by the “partners.”
    1. +1
      5 November 2023 16: 23
      Plus to the author for the article. Anything that cannot be written about directly will be added in the comments, connecting the past with the present.
  18. +3
    5 November 2023 16: 12
    All these are switchers to distract attention..
    I remember that in recent years Russia has “straightened its territories” three times, reducing its territory. Next to China, next to Sweden-Norway, and Japan...
    We managed without any Ponomarevs. It’s clear why the last one “in 2016. For absenteeism...” only. Mine
  19. 0
    5 November 2023 17: 03
    So, these traitors to their Motherland signed another agreement on the development of a peace agreement, which has not been signed between Russia and Japan since 1945. Naturally, the main condition in it is the transfer of the Southern Kuril Islands to the jurisdiction of Tokyo.

    These “actors” signed an agreement, so what? It is not worth the paper it is written on. In Ukraine, the “government” of Crimea “works” quite well and receives a salary (and, I think, not a small one). And what? Does anyone in Crimea care about what they approve and decide there?
  20. 0
    5 November 2023 20: 55
    The worst thing is that they didn’t “sell” - getting something essential for themselves - but simply squandered it - for thanks
  21. 0
    6 November 2023 10: 27
    Well, if they didn’t sell Alaska and California, they would take them away for free. There was simply no way to hold them back by force. Do you think Napoleon is a stupid person because he sold Louisitania?
  22. -2
    6 November 2023 11: 43
    the vector itself towards the West was determined by Peter the Great, whom everyone considers great, and in my opinion there has not been a more harmful politician in the entire history of Russia, the country had previously developed the lands of the Far East, after “cutting a window to Europe” it sharply turned to the west and never got out from within European intrigues, the population was finally enslaved, essentially turning into slaves, and we received from Europe not technology but luxury goods to satisfy the wants of the aristocracy, and then relations with the Ukrainians began to deteriorate, who had previously voluntarily entered the Russian state away from the Poles, and Catherine2 (the Great One) issued a decree on the enslavement of Ukrainians, they went to Russia so as not to be slaves to the Poles, and in the end they became slaves to French-speaking Russians.....
  23. +3
    6 November 2023 13: 00
    Ponomarev, thank God, was swept out of Russia and now he is actually forgiven. Serves the topic for new owners. But the lobby used to be good - after all, they didn’t put me in jail, they gave me the opportunity to sell and withdraw my assets, and only after leaving for absenteeism they deprived me of my mandate. I wonder if those who covered him like that are still in office?
  24. 0
    6 November 2023 13: 34
    Great respect to the author. The beginning of the article is delight.
  25. +1
    6 November 2023 19: 07
    They still don’t write who paid Ponomarev many thousands of dollars for a bad lecture in Skolkovo. The story itself about this family is simply a random demonstration of sheer Moscow rot.
    They are typical there.
  26. +1
    7 November 2023 23: 06
    Russia is not a state! This is the UNION of states, “civilization” and the “Russian world”. It doesn’t matter whether it’s called Horde, Tartaria, Empire, Soviet or Federation. External growth and decline of lands, as well as their settlement and depopulation inside - INHALE-EXHALE of Living Rus'.

    Science and philosophy stubbornly drag the “Cow” of Russian everyday meaning to their ideological-scientific “hayloft.” At the same time, the shoving of the poor animal for centuries takes place amid highly intelligent debates about what the “ideal Russian hayloft” is? Answer: any kind, if you leave the “hay” down. And the Cow herself will figure out what to eat.

    PS: With the right approach, Rus' is completely understandable... with love. Next comes knowledge. Foreign ideas are dispelled by Russian Meaning, like darkness by light, not because of someone’s invention, but by the nature of life.
  27. -1
    8 November 2023 08: 27
    All those who do not agree with the current policy of our state and speak openly about this are traitors and foreign agents.
  28. 0
    12 November 2023 08: 01
    Can anyone of those present say when Alaska became part of the Russian borders, who was the first governor of Alaska, when the census of peoples and lands was carried out, the cartography of the territory was compiled, how the border service was organized and who performed police functions...
    I don't think anyone can say. Alaska never officially belonged to Russia. There were trading companies and voluntary settlers there. Naturally, they occupied territories and defended them from attacks by local tribes. In fact, these companies and real estate were sold by Alexander’s government. At this time, intensive development of the Far East was underway and Russia could not afford two such territories. Something had to be sacrificed. In this case, the Far East was preferable to the desert territory of Alaska. And then, when gold was found and all the scum of the West poured in, Russia would not have been able to hold it.
    So the phrase *Bring back our Alaska* is more of a common meme to amuse the public. It would be better to think about how to return the Baltic lands, which rightfully belong to Russia.
  29. 0
    13 November 2023 20: 48
    It’s clear about these. Would you like to know the names of those who bought up the lands of the Motherland? Or is this a great secret?

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