Rostec published footage of tests of the Malva self-propelled joint stock company

The Russian corporation Rostec has published footage showing tests of the latest self-propelled artillery system (gun) Malva. The first batch of these 152-mm self-propelled guns has already been sent to the troops.

The Malva artillery system has high mobility and the ability to automatically fire all types of ammunition, as well as operate in the “simultaneous fire raid” mode, in which several fired ammunition simultaneously reach the intended target.

SAO 2S43 "Malva" is a 152-mm interspecific artillery system on the chassis of a BAZ-6610-027 "Voshchina" all-wheel drive vehicle with an 8*8 wheel arrangement. The development and creation of "Malva" was carried out by R&D "Nabrosok".

The combat weapon in this artillery complex is a 152 mm 2A64 rifled howitzer with a barrel length of 47 calibers, which is identical to the gun used by the 2S19 Msta-S self-propelled gun. However, thanks to the original design, which involves the abandonment of the turret and armoring of the gun installation site, the Malva has become significantly lighter, which makes it possible to transport it using a military transport vehicle. aviation, for example, IL-76.

The 2S43 Malva self-propelled gun is capable of hitting enemy tactical nuclear and conventional weapons, striking artillery batteries, columns of military equipment, air defense systems, command posts and concentrations of manpower.

"Malva" is the first wheeled self-propelled gun in stories Russia. Thanks to its wheelbase, it is more maneuverable than tracked artillery systems and is capable of quickly deploying to a position and then quickly leaving it. The gun's rate of fire exceeds seven rounds per minute. The shot range is more than 24 kilometers.

Comments

[megadeth]

"Malva" is the first wheeled self-propelled gun in the history of Russia

Only this gives optimism that the first “wheeled” one... A range of 24 km is of course nothing to talk about!? Our media seem to have reported that work is underway on the Malva, to increase the range to 70 km, and not in terms of ammunition, but in modernizing the gun...

[Silver99]

I don’t think that abandoning armor is a good solution, after all, the crew and crew must be protected, again, the wheelbase is quite large and vulnerable to drones, and the cross-country ability is lower than that of the tracked version, and the firing area must be perfectly flat. If you use this self-propelled gun, then only from closed positions from deep in the rear, but again, the range will not always allow this.

[Vladimir 290]

Dear Silver, I certainly agree with you, except for “If you use this self-propelled gun, then only from closed positions.” It is no longer expected to pull out 152 mm guns for direct fire for a long time, only for self-defense, and with a perfectly flat firing platform, you got carried away.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

I think out loud. Indeed, we initially criticized self-propelled wheeled artillery and especially enemy tanks. But the most likely enemy of these countries and the area of ​​​​use of wheeled vehicles were always missed. It seems that they did not mean a war with nuclear Russia on its territory and made themselves equipment exclusively for war in Africa, Asia, or at worst in Europe, where they would not leave the roads with an overwhelming advantage in the air and no trench warfare. And this suited them quite well, they just needed to increase the firing range if the roads ended, and no one was going to climb through the sands and swamps with artillery. So they began to add extra armor to their tanks, to the detriment of maneuverability, but increasing the survivability of the crew.
And we initially had the main and most likely enemy who would again trample on our territory, and not us, not him. And our road network is not as dense as in Europe. But times are changing, and even in Ukraine the road network makes it possible to successfully use wheeled artillery, and now it’s all about range.
Yesterday they showed the new Tosochka on wheels, although initially it was produced like the Soncepek on tracks. War makes adjustments...

[Alexey RA]

Quote from Silver99

I don’t think that abandoning armor is a good solution, after all, the crew and crew must be protected, again, the wheelbase is quite large and vulnerable to drones, and the cross-country ability is lower than that of the tracked version

So this is not a replacement for the 2S19, but a replacement for the towed 2A36. It is necessary to compare with them. There, both protection and cross-country ability are even worse.

[bayard]

Quote: Alexey RA

So this is not a replacement for the 2S19, but a replacement for the towed 2A36. It is necessary to compare with them. There, both protection and cross-country ability are even worse.

Everything is worse there, look how quickly and conveniently the Malva is loaded. I wanted to see everything and now I was honored.
The range is certainly not great, but with new shells, perhaps the performance will increase. And then it will appear (I hope, I strongly hope) that the Coalition’s gun will be mounted on this chassis. I would really like to live to see this. Moreover, a towed version of the “Coalition” was created (unspeakable stupidity) and was even offered for production. Here, instead of being towed, there is a light wheeled chassis. And so that the IL-76 can carry it wherever it is needed.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Alexey RA

towed 2A36

I was wrong - 2A65.

[credo]

By the way, the product is apparently installed on the base of a car from Bryansk manufacturers.
This means that BAZs are also being developed. This is good.

[faiver]

ahem, ahem - the article says this in Russian in plain English

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: megadeth

Only this gives optimism that the first “wheeled” one... A range of 24 km, of course, means nothing!

The only optimism is that the crew does not ride on a bench, open to all winds, rains, shrapnel and bullets, as in the same Grad MLRS.
It’s called: with no fish, you’ll get overwhelmed...With a pistol versus a machine gun...

The Russian corporation Rostec published footage in which you can see the tests the latest self-propelled artillery complex (guns) "Malva".

To organize such production, Chemezov’s salary must be cut to 24 rubles per month.

[Argon]

I didn't like this either. The feeling that they copied the wrong thing from someone.

[Argon]

I didn't like this either. The feeling that they copied the wrong thing from someone.

[IVZ]

Only this gives optimism that the first "wheeled"

It somehow doesn't work out with optimism. The sample was molded from what was there and the result was something inferior, at best not superior, in almost all, even individual parameters, to foreign analogues. Although analogues have been a dime a dozen for some time now and trophies could be studied. Apparently there are no normal components, and this is a pronounced technological and personnel gap in the most important industries.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

This is a lightweight and air transportable version originally intended for the Airborne Forces. In the current conditions, it is also cheaper compared to a tracked base.
And problems with the quality of steel due to the closure of open-hearth furnaces and with the serial production of ammunition for the Coalition are well known.

[Rumata]

The most important thing was not written.((((
How are things going with Krasnopoli production for her????

[Reindeer]

SAO 2S43 "Malva" is capable of hitting enemy tactical nuclear and conventional weapons

This is something new in military science... -_-

[RusGr]

We have already discussed the pros and cons of this technology, but it’s better than towing stationary guns with crews in trucks.

[UAT]

tow stationary guns

- for this you need a very powerful tugboat!

[Germanboy]

They forgot to mention the A-222 Bereg. It's also artillery. He was the first.

[faiver]

This is already an artifact of a highly developed civilization...

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

There are problems with hitting high-speed air targets and unitary naval ammunition. Although, in general, it is a good car, but a large series did not work out.

[Soldatov V.]

This may be controversial, but it seems to me (if possible) it can be upgraded to full automation. That is, the target is calculated, how many shells are needed to destroy it, the required number of shells is loaded, the self-propelled gun moves into position, support arms automatically extend, electronic aiming, fire, everything collapses and the self-propelled gun quickly leaves the position avoiding return fire. The crew does not leave the cabin.

[VicktorVR]

It is high time. And self-propelled guns and self-propelled mortars.

Apparently the top (generals) don’t want to, but the bottom (manufacturers) can’t.

They are asking for an automatic loader, at least 5 rounds, and charges from the Coalition.

[Xenofont]

I still don’t understand how long automation will last? Is there automatic or semi-automatic loading or only data preparation for firing?

[Soldatov V.]

Automatic charging. For example, 10 or more shells are placed in an automatic loader, and they are fired without the participation of loaders. The self-propelled gun changes position. I don’t know how many shells it carries, maybe from 40 to 60 pieces. But if you shoot not in the direction of the vehicle, but against it, then you can come up with an automatic loader like in tanks, which allows you to shoot continuously with all the ammunition.

[Xenofont]

Yes, I figured it out! There is no automatic loading: with handles into a mechanical rammer and a projectile and a cartridge case. And how to manually carry out a fire raid? Rostec... it is such Rostec.

[1 z1]

The crew does not leave the cabin

And who will charge?

[ivan2022]

"Can hit tactical nuclear and conventional....."??

Is it more difficult to get into “tactical nuclear” or, on the contrary, easier to get into? But strategic nuclear ones are no longer possible, or is it just scary to get there?

[kakvastam]

SAO 2S43 "Malva" is capable of hitting enemy tactical nuclear and conventional weapons

Are you sure this is not an illiterate translation from English?
We are not talking about the possibility of using special ammunition?

[KVU-NSVD]

Self-propelled guns on a wheeled chassis are needed. But we must either lay the groundwork for modernization to at least 52 calibers, or immediately develop it for a weapon from the Coalition. The weapon from Msta is excellent and mastered, but no longer meets modern requirements. So I hope that Malva with a gun with a barrel length of 47 calibers is a transitional option. But the very appearance of self-propelled guns on a wheeled chassis is a good trend. They are more mobile and noticeably cheaper in terms of service cycle. It’s true that classic self-propelled guns cannot be sent to the pen. They have their own niche

[sgrabik]

I agree, a firing range of 24 km is already extremely short and absolutely not enough, given that all the main similar artillery installations of our opponents fire with conventional ammunition at a distance of 30 to 50 km, it is necessary to increase the barrel length and introduce new, more effective ammunition, Otherwise, we will continue to lose in artillery duels, as it is not at all reasonable to ignore this.

[km-21]

Why not place the barrel above the cabin in the transport position? The height and center of gravity would rise only slightly. But the length and weight of the vehicle would be significantly reduced, and the geometric cross-country ability would also improve.

[UAT]

This is probably the basis for modernization - the ability to use a longer barrel on the same chassis.

[Vladimir_Borisovich]

This engineering marvel needs an automatic loader and a range of 70 km. But if it's cheaper than a gun and a towing truck...

[Plate]

Is it possible to achieve a range of as much as 70 km with a conventional, rather than active-reactive, projectile?

[Ghost1]

Let's see how all this shows itself on the battlefield. Often there, after a couple of shots, you need to quickly leave the place,

[hhurik]

And then why, the loading projectile must be loaded to a height higher than a person’s height at large elevation angles, bouncing on the roller? What a shame.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: hhurik

And then why, the loading projectile must be loaded to a height higher than a person’s height at large elevation angles, bouncing on the roller? What a shame.

Have you watched the video at the end of the article?
Before firing, the gun is set to the loading angle. One of the loaders, who stands on the right platform, takes a shell from the first-stage ammunition stowage (12 shells), turns 90 degrees to the left and places the shell in the tray. At the same time, a cartridge case with charges is fed into the tray from above. Both the projectile and the cartridge case with charges are sent into the gun by feeders.

[hhurik]

That’s exactly what I saw in the video, how a man from the ground tried to throw a shell casing above his head, rested his foot on the step and jumped, he didn’t succeed very well until they helped (from 0.44)
It’s interesting how much she weighs, and the man will last for a long time. Far from such bullets, but it seems like the 21st century on the planet, Elon’s luminous ships roam the open spaces - it’s impossible to somehow automate this process completely?[

https://youtube.com/shorts/331D1aqcNbk?si=x1qL0SNW13U1kGyB

[Bad_gr]

Quote: hhurik

That’s exactly what I saw in the video, how a man from the ground tried to throw a shell casing above his head, rested his foot on the step and jumped, he didn’t succeed very well until they helped (from 0.44)

What video are you watching? The one in the article, from the 19th second the loader approaches with a cartridge case, and with outstretched arms calmly places it in the upper tray.
The loader with the cartridge case approached the gun

He stretches out his hands with the cartridge case and puts it in the tray.
Please note that his elbows are bent, even when the cartridge case is already in the tray

[hhurik]

He jumps restlessly with this crap, I see in the video for the text (because there are no others) objective reality - and I rely on it. How much does it weigh in centners - tell me? Purely out of curiosity.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: hhurik

He jumps restlessly with this crap, I see in the video for the text (because there are no others) objective reality - I rely on it

Your vision is strange. Take a look at the bottom photo if you haven't looked before. To the left and right of the platform gun, there are only two steps leading to each platform, with the bottom step standing on the ground. That is, the sites are located at a height of less than a meter. Now mentally place a person next to the gun - the platforms will be at maximum waist level, and the tray for loading cartridges with charges will be at the level of the loader’s chest.
But if you still see the loader jumping up with the cartridge case to load the gun, then for God’s sake, continue to think that way.

[hhurik]

Those. the weight of the cartridge case with its contents, which must be raised above human height - don’t you know? Clearly.

[Byurer]

It would be interesting to compare the dimensions with foreign analogues, although it looks huge, but I think it’s unlikely to be larger than the 52-caliber also 4-axle Dan, Susan and other Caesars

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

One question - why is the Malva barrel length 47 calibers, and not 52 or more?

Why do NATO and Chinese howitzers for the most part have a length of 52 calibers (or more) and fire at 40 km with conventional ammunition, while our howitzers have a maximum of 47 calibers and only hit at 30?!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

One question - why is the Malva barrel length 47 calibers, and not 52 or more?

Because they took the barrel from 2S19. Apparently, so far there are only enough new guns for the Coalition.

[1 z1]

One question - why is the Malva barrel 47 calibers long?

Because such trunks are available. And from Location B and most likely in storage

[Alexey RA]

Quote: 1z1

And from Location B and most likely in storage

Nope, the Malva has a barrel from the self-propelled 2S19. Take a close look at the photo of the self-propelled gun - in the middle of the barrel you can see the thickening of the ejector.
The 2A65 has a straight barrel.

[1 z1]

Yes you are right.
Normal comment

[Vitaly Koisin]

It seems to me that it would be quite possible to place armored shields on the sides of the platform on which the gunner and loader stand.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

For that matter, any self-propelled military equipment must also have a machine gun controlled from the cockpit.

[Alexey Koshkarov]

It is necessary to provide Malva with long-range projectiles, up to 80 kilometers range

[Vincent price]

In '23, rolling out a gun with a range like FPV's is a circus. I propose not to stop there and start producing tanks with Christie suspension and a 45 mm gun caliber, as well as launching serial production of fighters with a wooden fuselage and chassis.

[pettabyte]

The combat weapon in this artillery complex is a 152 mm 2A64 rifled howitzer with a barrel length of 47 calibers, which is identical to the gun used by the 2S19 Msta-S self-propelled gun.

Msta-B can’t be screwed onto the roof of the MTLB?
It would seem that there are self-propelled guns in large numbers.