UN Secretary General says he is not trying to justify either Hamas or Israel

It is obvious that what is happening today in the Middle East between Israel and Palestine did not happen spontaneously, but is a consequence of a confrontation that has lasted for decades. All this might not have happened if UN resolutions had been implemented, and above all, the 1948 resolution on the creation of two states - Palestine and Israel.

However, when it comes to Israel, any resolutions of the main international organization cease to work for one reason or another.

Yesterday, during a meeting of the UN Security Council, the organization's Secretary General Antonio Guterres noted that the attack by Hamas militants had its own background and was a consequence of Israel's occupation of Palestinian lands. These words greatly angered Israel and its supporters. The Israeli Foreign Minister called on Guterres to resign. Thus, even the head of the UN is trying to shut his mouth. The whole world must justify absolutely any actions of Israel or remain silent, this is the logic of the current Israeli authorities.

Today Guterres tried to clarify the words he said earlier. On the social network X (formerly Twitter - blocked in the Russian Federation), the Secretary General wrote that he in no way wanted to justify the actions of Hamas, but he also condemns the massive Israeli strikes.

Palestinian grievances cannot justify Hamas's horrific attacks. However, these attacks cannot justify collective punishment of the Palestinian people

- Guterres wrote.

Comments

[Baskal]

I read the title. The policy of double standards is obvious. It doesn't happen that both are bad or both are good.

[Nexcom]

By and large, in every conflict there is a contribution from both sides, from some more, from others less... It does not happen that only one is completely 100% to blame.

[Baskal]

Dmitry, there is always a plus and a minus. There is always an Accused and a Victim. So it is here. There is no smoke without fire.

Quote: Nexcom

It doesn’t happen that only one person is 100% to blame.

Agree. Suppose someone throws a stone at my head, and in response I will shoot at his head. Of course, they will pull me out as the worst one, because there is a victim, but I would like the instigators to be punished too. Why don't the Palestinians destroy this Hamas? It is their fault that Palestine is burning. Didn’t they know that Israel would give a response 10 times greater? That's what I'm talking about.

[Anarchist]

This means we need to put pressure on Hamas without bombing Gaza neighborhoods. And they will drive the Israelis out of the territories they occupied in Palestine and beyond. Create a Palestinian state. And provide security guarantees to Palestine in the event of subsequent aggression by Israel.

[Baskal]

Quote: Anarchist

This means we need to put pressure on Hamas without bombing Gaza neighborhoods.

I agree. It is not right to kill civilians.
What to do if Hamas is hiding behind the backs of civilians? Or are they firing rockets at Israel from the top of the block?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Basqal

What to do if Hamas is hiding behind the backs of civilians?

Why did Hamas appear in 1987?
And he didn’t appear out of nowhere.

[Baskal]

Quote: Anarchist

And they will drive the Israelis out of the territories they occupied in Palestine and beyond.

Before I agree with you, I need answers to a couple of questions and based on your answers, we will come to a common opinion.
1. Tell me, which came first, the Israeli state or the Palestinian state?
2. In what years did the Palestinian state, their shahs or kings exist? As far as I know, in the last 5th century Palestine was in the hands of the Ottoman Empire and then under the protectorate of Britain. Hence, I want to understand when did an independent Palestinian state exist?
3. As far as I know, the unemployed in Palestine receive benefits from Israel. Work too. Including water and light. Well, we are persecuting Jews, but what about benefits and all that? Is a Palestinian state capable of existing independently? Why am I asking, I lived in Scandinavia for more than 15 years and there I lived for 15 years among these refugees from Palestine. What did I see? I saw how they began to increase the number of children in order to receive a good benefit. Then I met quite a few hucksters (selling weed) and they were Palestinians, Balkans and Maracanos. That is, it happened before my eyes. Workers were only in pizzerias.
4. Isn’t it better to live as part of Israel and let peacekeepers from 2 countries in there? 1 country is chosen by Israel and the other country by the Palestinians. Isn’t it better to have Palestinian autonomy with self-government but within Israel as Tatarstan? Only in Tatarstan there is industry, but these have nothing but rocks. Although tourism and agriculture can be boosted in Palestine. But again, they are some kind of wild people.

You see, this part of the earth has swallowed up so many victims from wars. Israel-Palestine. Before him, the protectorate of Britain. Before him, the Ottomans. Before the Ottomans, the Anglo-Saxons. Before the Anglo-Saxons, Salahaddin, who gathered an army from the entire Middle East, and before him the Franks and so on... This cannot continue. A different approach is needed HERE.

But as a country, Israel must exist. The people about whom it is written in all 3 holy books, it is not right if they do not have a country. Of course, Palestine should also exist, but in what form? Besides the Zionists, whom I myself don’t really like, there are other normal Jews, scientists, and how many people emigrated from the CIS countries. Our people live there. Ours are those who were once neighbors.

Quote: Anarchist

And provide security guarantees to Palestine in the event of subsequent aggression by Israel.

Peacekeepers. Russia and China from Palestine and the USA and Britain will be on the other side. Here's the solution. But I think that it would be beneficial for the residents of Palestine to live as part of Israel. This is a guaranteed job. light, water, bread. 2 million Israeli citizens are Arabs. Are they living poorly? Don't think.

It's the politicians who start the war, not the people.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Basqal

In what years did the Palestinian state, their shahs or kings exist? As far as I know, in the last 5th century Palestine was in the hands of the Ottoman Empire and then under the protectorate of Britain.

They said it correctly, but I have a question for you: “Did Israel exist in these territories at all these times?”
I know in advance that you won’t answer.

[crownn90]

Your post does not adequately reflect the facts about the British protectorate over Palestine and the creation of the State of Israel in the XNUMXth century. Draw the story to the end, do not hold back the facts. The history of Palestine is too complex to say anything definitively.

[igorbrsv]

If one passer-by throws a stone at you, will you shoot the other person?
Or will you still shoot the offender? Well, what if they don’t throw a stone at you in the head, but kick you in the ass - will you shoot?
It's all about an adequate reaction. Guterres tells Israel about its inadequate response to the actions of the terrorist organization Hamas. Although it is not recognized as terrorist in all countries, their actions confirm this. As well as the response actions of the army

[crownn90]

If you shoot someone who threw a stone at you, then this is an excess of permissible self-defense, murder. You are subject to legal liability for this. And it doesn’t matter whether he threw a stone at you or not - you killed a man.
But if you, instead of killing the person who threw the stone at you, neutralized him and brought him to the police, proving that it was he who threw the stone at you, then he would be subject to liability for hooliganism. That would be fair.

At the global level, in the sphere of international law, this, unfortunately, does not work. And there is no international law anymore - it was destroyed. Therefore, Israel acts this way, because it understands that nothing will happen to it for this - Ukraine is an example.

"Do you even understand what you've done?" - very relevant

[carpenter]

Quote: Nexcom

By and large, in every conflict there is a contribution from both sides, some more, some less...

It is true that both sides are guilty, but who is to blame for the emergence of Hezbollah and Hamas. If they lived peacefully, then they would not have appeared.

[knn54]

How dare the UN Secretary General compare “God’s chosen ones” with (as Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant said) “humanoid animals”.

[alystan]

How would you comment on this statement by an Israeli politician?

Former Prime Minister of Israel and Minister of Foreign Affairs of Israel, now one of the leaders of the opposition, Yair Lapid addressed foreign journalists:

If the international media is objective, they serve Hamas. If they show both sides, they serve Hamas.

My argument: The media cannot simply claim to cover both sides of the story. If you do this, you are only covering one side - Hamas. It's cowardly and lazy. This is an insult to victims, including Palestinians. It is also an insult to the core idea of ​​what journalism is about.

Trust me, I know, I've been a journalist for 31 years.

This is the same ignoramus whose parents are the famous journalist and politician Yosef Lapid and the writer Shulamit Lapid, who took the post of prime minister even without a certificate of secondary education.

Mayor Klitschko is in panic, a serious competitor has appeared...

[sifgame]

The UN Secretary General is a pathetic little dog, they barked at him, and he whined

[alystan]

But Israel's Permanent Representative to the UN, Gilad Erdan, is a real lion, who said that his country will continue to refuse to issue visas to UN representatives after the statements of Secretary General Antonio Guterres.

In connection with his statements, we will refuse to issue visas to UN representatives.

We have already denied a visa to Under-Secretary General for Humanitarian Affairs Martin Griffiths. It's time to teach them a lesson.

We saw how UN representatives in Tel Aviv indulged in pleasures during official hours, right in their official cars. You give visas to such people, but they need to be driven out like pissing rags not only from Israel, but also from the UN.

[Design Engineer]

The UN Secretary General said...

!.. Gutarishch said... - it works well. And the UN is a bad organization, bad - the essence of the problem is in the root of the word that determines the state of affairs, after the letter "p".

[carpenter]

However, when it comes to Israel, any resolutions of the main international organization cease to work for one reason or another.

Therefore, impunity gives rise to lawlessness.

[Sergei Viktorovich Korolev]

Good Evil and Evil Good!

[rotmistr60]

The Secretary General wrote that he in no way wanted to justify the actions of Hamas...

Guterres makes excuses. And if it was not the Israeli Foreign Minister who came at him rudely, but someone from another country, he probably would not make excuses, but condemned such a speech and called for order and compliance with the regulations. To be honest, it’s funny to watch how a Jew insults the entire Secretary General of the entire UN, and he is subsequently forced to justify himself. This is how one definition of the Holocaust, once accepted, gives broad rights to some and pins others down.

[faterdom]

UN Secretary General says he is not trying to justify either Hamas or Israel

Wrong title. We need to do it differently.
“The UN Secretary General makes excuses that he did not want to say anything about either Hamas or Israel; he was only given instructions about Ukraine.”

[ZovSailor]

Wow, friends and not friends!
In my opinion, it sounds unconvincing and it is not appropriate to make statements about every sneeze of political gnomes.
Let us remember the ill-fated grain deal, which was promoted every day for a year and a half on a tip from interested financial tycoons of the deep state of America with the same
roots from the promised land, only the topic was presented by intermediaries, leaving them in the shadows
and now they are hiding, looking for new solutions for grain corridors.
The UN Secretary General spoke almost every day in tandem with the NATO Secretary General ne nato!
Double - triple - numerous standards of the False West threaten earthly life
civilization, the more people understand the baseness of this fascism with Nazism,
the faster it will be possible to build a world on universal humanity and many polarities without
looking around for all sorts of he-he-mons.

[Cypa]

"Palestinian grievances cannot justify the horrific attacks by Hamas. However, these attacks cannot justify the collective punishment of the Palestinian people."
Guterres is a liquid threshing floor. Wants to be pleasant to both ours and yours