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The Russian military spoke about the enemy’s tactics in Avdeevka with the division of the garrison into zones of responsibility

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The Russian military spoke about the enemy’s tactics in Avdeevka with the division of the garrison into zones of responsibility

Russian military personnel from the battlefield near Avdeevka report on what tactics the enemy is trying to use in this direction. Thus, the Ukrainian troops in Avdiivka itself were divided into at least three groups, each of which is trying to hold the defense in its own part of the city - in its area of ​​​​responsibility.


The southern part of the garrison, western and northeastern are distinguished. Moreover, the Western group has the largest number, and Russian troops are already engaging in contact combat with it after intensive artillery preparation and air strikes. It was this group that lost control over the heights in the form of dumps and waste heaps in the area of ​​the Avdeevsky coking plant. And first of all, it is this grouping that the command of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is trying to strengthen with reserves, which are sent to the city from Orlovka - along the only road controlled by the Ukrainian Armed Forces near Avdeevka.

The dividing line of control between the western and northeastern parts of the garrison of the Ukrainian armed forces in Avdiivka also runs along a railway line.

Approximate territorial division of the Ukrainian Armed Forces group in Avdievka:



In this situation, the enemy gave up significant mobility and maneuvering. The garrison switched, so to speak, to a stationary defense, clearly expecting that the Russian troops would go according to Artyomov’s “Wagner” scenario - a frontal assault. However, the RF Armed Forces continue their envelopment tactics, striking both at the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Avdeevka itself, including from a commanding height in the north-west of the city, and at those reserves that the command is trying to “throw” towards Avdeevka. Also, with the help of reserves trying to prevent the Avdeevsky cauldron from closing, attacks are being carried out in a southern direction. These attacks are part of a tactic to maintain the width of the neck of a hypothetical boiler sufficient for the defense of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Last night, as Military Review already reported, the Russian Armed Forces continued to strike the enemy garrison in the Avdeevsky direction, including knocking out reserves in the Orlovka area.
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  1. Argon
    Argon 25 October 2023 08: 06
    +7
    And the shelling of Donetsk has probably stopped?! When is it scary to hit your teeth? This is not for you to fire at civilians with impunity!
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 25 October 2023 08: 20
    +5
    divided into at least three groups, each of which is trying to hold the defense in its own part of the city - in its own area of ​​​​responsibility.
    Normal tactics for defense - everyone has their own area of ​​responsibility; if necessary, the neighbor on the right or left can support with fire.
    1. Orange Bigg
      Orange Bigg 25 October 2023 08: 22
      +4


      Battle for Avdievka: situation as of 13:00 October 24, 2023 from Telegram channel "Rybar".
      Fighting continues around the Avdeevsky fortified area. After clearing the waste heap, Russian soldiers went on the defensive and consolidated in the occupied areas, while the enemy, on the contrary, pulled in reinforcements for a counterattack. Due to heavy losses, at least one battalion of the 47th mechanized brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was transferred to Ocheretino and Novobakhmutovka from the Orekhovsky sector. Their forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine tried to strike positions near the waste heap, but to no avail. Similar enemy counterattacks were made from the coke plant in Avdeevka, as well as from Opytnoye and Pervomaisky. Ukrainian formations intended to occupy the gray zone, but they were driven back to their original positions by artillery strikes from the Russian Armed Forces. Russian aviation and artillery continue to work on enemy lines. The losses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are growing: according to sources, during a week of active fighting, the number of killed members of the Armed Forces of Ukraine alone exceeded 1 thousand people and 60 pieces of equipment.
      1. ilya63
        ilya63 25 October 2023 08: 49
        +3
        And Khokhlostan writes that they mow down 1300 of our people a day, the average person believes
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 25 October 2023 11: 33
          +2
          The average person has not believed for a long time, the average person is thinking about how to find a loophole to get into the EU
          1. Saburov_Alexander53
            Saburov_Alexander53 25 October 2023 13: 51
            +2
            Normal tactics for defense - everyone has their own area of ​​responsibility

            Again I feel like a teapot, among knowledgeable warriors. I immediately want to know how the defense was built before this? There, no one was assigned a specific area and each unit chose the street they wanted to defend? Or did companies and regiments run around the city wherever they wanted?
            I’ll go iron my shoelaces, I’m ashamed that I don’t understand anything about ground combat tactics. And how come I didn’t think of it while serving as a radio operator on a submarine, to abandon my communications room and go to the hydroacoustics, listen to the horizon? lol
    2. ivan2022
      ivan2022 25 October 2023 08: 26
      -1
      Do not judge strictly. For the author this turned out to be a revelation. So he hastened to share his discovery.

      Times like these! Even our president believes that entire states and peoples could have been created a hundred years ago by the directive of the chairman of the Council of People's Commissars. Signature, stamp, and the job is done. laughing
      It’s only now that it’s a problem to take Avdeevka, but before everything was simple.....
      1. topol717
        topol717 25 October 2023 09: 09
        0
        what times! Even our president believes that entire states and peoples could have been created a hundred years ago by the directive of the chairman of the Council of People's Commissars. Signature, stamp, and the job is done. laughing
        It’s only now that it’s a problem to take Avdeevka, but before everything was simple.....

        Before being sarcastic, you should look at a map of the Russian Empire for example in 1914.
        And then they thought about who obeyed whom and what and how they managed to create with a simple directive.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 25 October 2023 10: 12
          +5
          Quote from: topol717
          Before being sarcastic, you should look at a map of the Russian Empire for example in 1914.

          And what does malice have to do with it? Ivan implies that the lack of clear positions, goals, and understandable ideology suggests that not every KGB lieutenant colonel can rule the country, and drawing red lines and announcing concepts according to adopted laws is not at all the same as organizing the receipt of gratuitous revenues to the regions of ALL RUSSIA in equal shares (at least!!!) in accordance with the population in these regions. Only then will development take place throughout the entire territory, and not like today: some are mad about fat, while others eat the last horseradish without salt.
          * * *
          By the way, in parallel news there was a message:
          Oil at $150 may not be profitable for Russia

          Isn't it strange? In a country where oil flows like a river, bringing billions to company owners and crumbs to the budget, where it, together with gas, is the main source of budget replenishment, rising prices on the foreign market, it turns out, are not beneficial for Russia...
          * * *
          And how can you govern a country where the price of fuel and lubricants at gas stations IS GROWING ALL THE TIME, regardless of the president’s messages or depending on quotes.
          Are you yourself firmly convinced that our president sends messages to those who need them, and is not sent to him? Do those who brought him to power with the help of EBN listen to him?
          1. skeptic
            skeptic 27 October 2023 20: 44
            0
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Do those who brought him to power with the help of EBN listen to him?

            CIA agents opened the door to EBN’s office with their left foot (at least that’s what they wrote in the Russian media), perhaps EBN was not “to blame” for the rise to power. That’s why everything is done in favor of the United States (with the exception of squabbles in the Amerz Kahal itself).
    3. fuel oil
      fuel oil 25 October 2023 08: 58
      +2
      For me, it would be better if our “fire support” for these formations was carried out in the form of shelling the Nazis with charges from TOS-1,1A, “Tosochka”. It is possible together and in groups of three.
      1. Escariot
        Escariot 25 October 2023 09: 06
        +2
        Quote: black oil
        For me, it would be better if our “fire support” for these formations was carried out in the form of shelling the Nazis with charges from TOS-1,1A, “Tosochka”. It is possible together and in groups of three.

        How many of these TOS does the Russian Army have now? According to the state, 36 pieces were assigned to the SVO (9 each in three RCBZ brigades, and 3 each in three separate battalions). On the Dutch portal there are photos of 9 lost TOCs + another one is not displayed (just recently lost near Avdeevka). And these are only visible losses. Plus natural wear and tear and damaged vehicles (there are photos of another one on the same portal), so the amount of MLRS data is extremely limited. And no one will gather them all into one place.
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 25 October 2023 11: 38
          0
          stop writing nonsense only tos1 is more than 72 and tos-2 is more than several dozen
          1. Escariot
            Escariot 25 October 2023 12: 45
            -2
            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            stop writing nonsense only tos1 is more than 72 and tos-2 is more than several dozen

            In which departments are these TOS located? Part numbers and names? Provide your evidence.
    4. ZovSailor
      ZovSailor 25 October 2023 09: 23
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      divided into at least three groups, each of which is trying to hold the defense in its own part of the city - in its own area of ​​​​responsibility.
      Normal tactics for defense - everyone has their own area of ​​responsibility; if necessary, the neighbor on the right or left can support with fire.

      Wow rotmistr60!
      I’m not a super strategist, but I think this tactic is good in large areas and open space,
      ours are also not bad at deceiving the enemy and staging a surprise attack
      several waves from different directions, then if the connection between the two is disrupted, will all these divisions destroy each other?
      They’ll start shooting at their own people, something like that.
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  4. Casey_Ryback
    Casey_Ryback 25 October 2023 08: 31
    +8
    The main thing is no extratraction for these stubborn people because there is so much blood on them. Let's keep our fingers crossed for our guys
  5. Igor1915
    Igor1915 25 October 2023 08: 39
    +3
    It’s strange, doesn’t Russia really have the ability to simply raze this village to the ground with an artillery strike?
    1. ivan2022
      ivan2022 25 October 2023 09: 00
      +2
      Quote: Igor1915
      It’s strange, doesn’t Russia really have the ability to simply raze this village to the ground with an artillery strike?

      How to even it out? Let's assume that the crater from an artillery strike has an area of ​​about 10 sq. m. Then for 1 sq. km you need 100 thousand artillery strikes..... Avdeevka-30 square km.. If you decide to “level it”....

      Here we need thousands of large-caliber guns (for example, during the Second World War, the density reached several hundred per km of front), and we also need protection from enemy attacks.

      And in our country, for example, calibers larger than 200 mm have not been produced at all since 1991. They were basically stolen and sold over the course of 30 years....
      1. bk316
        bk316 27 October 2023 14: 07
        0

        And in our country, for example, calibers larger than 200 mm have not been produced at all since 1991. They were basically stolen and sold over the course of 30 years....

        Well, who did we sell calibers larger than 200 mm to after the collapse of the USSR?
    2. igorbrsv
      igorbrsv 25 October 2023 09: 09
      0
      How do we know request
      I haven’t even seen faba from afar, or tosa, so most won’t be able to answer you whether we can or not. You can ask everyone about this request
      But there are probably no entire buildings there either.
    3. Escariot
      Escariot 25 October 2023 09: 20
      +3
      Quote: Igor1915
      It’s strange, doesn’t Russia really have the ability to simply raze this village to the ground with an artillery strike?

      Of course you can. However, before you begin, you need to read the instructions on artillery. According to Soviet standards, before storming a platoon stronghold with bunkers, it is necessary to dump 120 pieces of 152mm shells per hectare of area at a time. Now for some fun arithmetic. The size of the Avdeevsky ledge is approximately 10x10 kilometers, which gives an area of ​​100 km^2. Each square kilometer has 100 hectares. Those. The area of ​​the SD is 10000 hectares. 10000x120=1.2 million shells. And this is precisely for storming a strong point, and not for destroying a missile defense.
      1. Simple
        Simple 25 October 2023 09: 49
        -1
        Quote from Escariot
        Those. The area of ​​the SD is 10000 hectares. 10000x120=1.2 million shells. And this is precisely for storming a strong point, and not for destroying a missile defense.


        I do not agree.

        The elements of warfare have increased.
        What prevents you from putting your “eyes in the air” and methodically revealing the hidden locations of both equipment and personnel and also methodically but precisely multiplying the enemy by zero, where with artillery, and where with kamikaze drones?
        1. Escariot
          Escariot 25 October 2023 12: 50
          +1
          Quote: Simple
          Quote from Escariot
          Those. The area of ​​the SD is 10000 hectares. 10000x120=1.2 million shells. And this is precisely for storming a strong point, and not for destroying a missile defense.


          I do not agree.

          The elements of warfare have increased.
          What prevents you from putting your “eyes in the air” and methodically revealing the hidden locations of both equipment and personnel and also methodically but precisely multiplying the enemy by zero, where with artillery, and where with kamikaze drones?

          Methodically - this means spending time so that the enemy will restore combat effectiveness.
          Pointed - that means you need to use a guided weapon. The price of one Krasnopol is $35k.
          Eyes in the air - so the enemy also has eyes in the air and with their help he finds our artillery positions and hits them, as recently happened with another TOS south of Avdeevka.
      2. Igor1915
        Igor1915 25 October 2023 12: 36
        0
        So no, I don’t know art capabilities that well, during the Second World War the Red Army took fortified cities many times larger in area and I don’t believe that this happened with a mass of soldiers. And here 80 have passed!!!!! Years and a country with 6-7 GDP cannot quickly take a small town without losses.
        1. Escariot
          Escariot 25 October 2023 12: 56
          +1
          Quote: Igor1915
          So no, I don’t know art capabilities that well, during the Second World War the Red Army took fortified cities many times larger in area and I don’t believe that this happened with a mass of soldiers. And here 80 have passed!!!!! Years and a country with 6-7 GDP cannot quickly take a small town without losses.

          After 1941, the Red Army had a numerical advantage over the Axis forces on the eastern front in terms of manpower. The further the more. Moreover, by the method of concentration it was possible to achieve a multiple advantage in forces at the sites of the most active assaults. For example, in Berlin, Soviet troops had a 4 to 1 advantage over the Wehrmacht and the forces of Todd and Volkssturm attached to it. That’s why the assault took place in just 7 days.
    4. ZovSailor
      ZovSailor 25 October 2023 09: 37
      +1
      Quote: Igor1915
      It’s strange, doesn’t Russia really have the ability to simply raze this village to the ground with an artillery strike?

      UV igor 1915
      We all remember the battles for the liberation of Mariupol with Azovstal and thousands of Nazis,
      they don’t talk about our losses, but thousands of patriots died in the battle for Artyomovsk - eternal memory to them, and Avdeevka, with a smaller area with fortifications and buried bunkers
      with underground tunnels is no less difficult to storm.
      And artillery, FABs and other throwing were, in my opinion, necessary before our fighters reached us from the north and south, when they hit civilians every day in Donetsk, and now there is a danger
      defeats by artillery and FABAs of their own, which, due to the uneven line of coverage of Avdievka, are close to Natsiko in and can fall under
      throwing, something like that.
      1. Igor1915
        Igor1915 25 October 2023 12: 38
        0
        Thanks for the answer, it’s not entirely clear how they are going to take at least Slavyansk or Kramatorsk, which are much more complex and larger, not to mention larger cities.
        1. Escariot
          Escariot 25 October 2023 18: 38
          0
          Quote: Igor1915
          Thanks for the answer, it’s not entirely clear how they are going to take at least Slavyansk or Kramatorsk, which are much more complex and larger, not to mention larger cities.

          No way anymore. They haven't gotten together for a long time. While Izyum was in our hands, there was a chance to cut off communications from the north and move on to maneuver warfare, but after this, apart from frontal assaults on the fortifications, we saw nothing.
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 25 October 2023 08: 57
    0
    What can be expected?
    Encirclement and liquidation.
    When, how and how long this will last... we'll see.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 25 October 2023 10: 20
      -2
      Quote: rocket757
      What can be expected?
      Encirclement and liquidation.

      But only?
      One can expect “encircling” and “lekvedatsyi”...
  7. Petr_Koldunov
    Petr_Koldunov 25 October 2023 09: 59
    -1
    In this situation, the enemy gave up significant mobility and maneuvering. The garrison switched, so to speak, to a stationary defense,

    That's right. They abandoned the chaotic NATO tactics, which only work in battles with Zulus armed with bows and spears.
    And what we have now is straight from a Soviet textbook on tactics, the section “Motorized rifle unit in defense”... front, rear, flanks, neighbors, zone of responsibility, etc.
    To really punch this one in the forehead is a rotten business. No need to. Why kill the boys in senseless frontal assaults? Fortunately, the Russian army has the ability to take Avdeevka both in envelopment and encirclement, and then clear it out.
    1. French messenger
      French messenger 25 October 2023 12: 36
      +2
      are you sure about the possibility? This requires quite a few people.
  8. 501 Legion
    501 Legion 25 October 2023 13: 28
    -3
    It would have been nice to drop chemical weapons there, then it would all be over faster. But we, humane people, can’t do that.
    1. Fitter65
      Fitter65 25 October 2023 16: 20
      0
      Quote: 501Legion
      It would have been nice to drop chemical weapons there, then it would all be over faster.

      Does the Russian Federation have chemical weapons? Unlike the USA, we don’t have it!!!! If only you buy it from Israel... But they, like nuclear weapons, don’t have them either...
  9. Fitter65
    Fitter65 25 October 2023 16: 18
    0
    The garrison switched, so to speak, to a stationary defense, clearly expecting that the Russian troops would go according to Artyomov’s “Wagner” scenario - a frontal assault. However, the RF Armed Forces continue their coverage tactics,
    Coverage, surroundings are such nonsense. It’s just a matter of going head-on, pecking away at the old cedar like a woodpecker, Bandera’s defenses. But Barmaley also said in the film “Aibolit-66” that “normal heroes always take a detour!” good
    1. Escariot
      Escariot 25 October 2023 19: 00
      -1
      Quote: Fitter65
      The garrison switched, so to speak, to a stationary defense, clearly expecting that the Russian troops would go according to Artyomov’s “Wagner” scenario - a frontal assault. However, the RF Armed Forces continue their coverage tactics,
      Coverage, surroundings are such nonsense. It’s just a matter of going head-on, pecking away at the old cedar like a woodpecker, Bandera’s defenses. But Barmaley also said in the film “Aibolit-66” that “normal heroes always take a detour!” good

      Since WWI, no one has used linear construction tactics. Nowadays, the tactics of “shaverpoints” are in honor - powerful fortified areas, the distance between which is fired by artillery. And wherever you look, there are such shaver points everywhere. Ugledar, Marinka, Avdeevka - all these are fortified areas and trying to pass between them means sitting in a bare field under fire from these shaver points.
      Well, at least that's how the situation looks from my couch.
  10. Alexander Shumeiko
    Alexander Shumeiko 25 October 2023 20: 04
    -1
    Interesting distribution. Where to hit with what. Where to pour how much? Who gets his balls twisted first and who gets screwed later. In general, I don’t really believe in such openness. What to do when all three zones are in one boiler?