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"The end of the game" in Syria. A “small victorious war” or a big fire in the Middle East?

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"The end of the game" in Syria. A “small victorious war” or a big fire in the Middle East?The situation around Syria, in the opinion of many, is nearing its climax. In the West and in Israel they openly started talking about the imminent "end of the game." Nobody even considers any peace initiatives by Bashar al-Assad, like the one he launched at the beginning of 2013, rejecting it from the threshold. All that is required of him is the resignation and transfer of power of the part of the opposition supported by the West. Signs of imminent foreign military intervention in the Syrian conflict are becoming increasingly visible.

According to Israeli media reports, major air force exercises from various countries of the world are being held in Israel. Over 100 combat aircraft participate in them. Practiced bombing and air combat techniques. The pilots and their cars arrived in Israel a few days ago. They will study all possible scenarios for the development of events in Syria, including actions against the Syrian chemical arsenal. The forces of rapid deployment are being brought to the border with Jordan, the Army Radio of Israel reports. "The reason is the civil war in Syria and its possible splash on neighboring Jordan." (1) Prior to this, Israeli Prime Minister B. Netanyahu and King Abdullah II of Jordan held a secret meeting, the Haaretz newspaper reported, at which they discussed possible joint measures against Syria.

With reference to Western intelligence sources, the Israeli analytical center DEBKA reported that “on the eve of the joint American-Israeli operation in Syria to protect (?) The Golan Heights,” IDF representatives (the Israeli army) and “Syrian rebel commanders” held secret talks in Jordan. (2) In fact, as the site close to the Israeli military circles reports, "night battles" are already unfolding in Syria between its troops, on the one hand, and opposition forces, as well as special forces of the United States, Israel and Jordan, on the other hand, "Observation posts" in the border sectors. From these points, marking of all significant military and civilian objects is carried out for the possible future conduct of large-scale hostilities.

According to the Pentagon, the region had previously had the necessary resources for a possible attack, including NATO bases in Turkey and other forces. Now reinforcements are tightened: the aircraft carrier Eisenhower has approached the shores of Syria, in the zone of increased attention plying up to 20 warships carrying aircraft, helicopters and about 10 thousand troops. On top of that, NATO Patriot batteries continue to arrive in Turkey. In Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, and the United Arab Emirates, there are also forces that can be connected to a military operation at any time. Not long ago, the US military estimated that in order to "take control of the Syrian chemical weapons”(Read: the overthrow of B. Assad) will require at least 75 thousand people. Now we are already talking about the possibility of a longer ground operation, the purpose of which will be “to ensure peace after the fall of the regime” (read: creating an administration loyal to Washington). (3)

The possible reasons for the intervention, besides the scenario that has already been played out for several months, of the need to prevent the Syrian authorities from using chemical and bacteriological weapons or falling into the hands of extremists, have recently been added to Iraq’s reasoning about the dangers of the proliferation of nuclear technologies and Al-Qaida’s rooting ".

So, American experts suddenly expressed concern about the safety of 50 tons of unenriched uranium, allegedly located in Syria. David Albright, a US expert on international security and nuclear weapons, said: "There are concerns about the fate of the particular uranium that Syria planned to use for the Al-Kibar reactor. And the longer the civil war goes on, the more fears this problem causes ". No special evidence in favor of the presence of this uranium, besides unenriched, is not given. This reactor, if built, then due to the Israeli bombardment of 2007, the year has never been completed. Meanwhile, David Albre Ayt referred to the fact that, judging by the photos, the Syrians built powerful fortifications around a secret facility in Marge Sultan near Damascus, from which "it can be concluded that there may be" something "that they are determined to hide from the rebels" Such “arguments” invariably resemble the well-known, never-confirmed, but cited as “deadly” argument in favor of aggression in Iraq by the top US leadership of a fake purchase by Saddam Hussein of about the same amount of uranium in Niger. After all, they don’t even strain themselves, although they themselves criticized Bush for “simplistic”. (4)

With regard to the presence of al-Qaeda in Syria, witness authority was granted to Israeli Prime Minister B. Netanyah, who announced at a meeting of the Israeli government 6 in January: “We know that the Syrian army left today on the other side of the border in Syria and The forces of global jihad have advanced. We coordinate our actions and share intelligence information with the Americans. In this area, we must be prepared for any scenario. ”One of the Al Qaeda strongholds, according to Israeli data, was, in particular, the ruins of Quneitra, located between the occupied Golan Heights and Damascus . and left in this form as a monument).

Although the Americans and their allies, on the one hand, by inertia reproduce the approaches used still in Iraq, on the other - they are still trying to learn from the negative experience gained there and bring tactical diversity into their actions. At the same time, at the moment they have set themselves a double task - not only to achieve the earliest elimination of B. Assad from power, but also not to allow the forces that are not satisfied with them from among tough nationalists and Islamic radicals to come to his place. Realizing that time does not work for them, because on the battlefield, as usual, extreme elements, rather than the liberal intelligentsia, sympathizing with the West, usually will not be delayed with the operation.

In addition, it appears that at the end of the past - at the beginning of the coming year, there was a definite consensus of the West and Sunni regimes hostile to Iran, such as Saudi Arabia and Qatar, that the “problem of Tehran” should be resolved in stages. According to this plan, the main task of the first stage would be to deprive Iran of its allies in the person of Syria and Hezbollah in Lebanon. According to plans, in this case, Tehran’s ability to influence the Middle East situation would be significantly weakened. And then the Iranians should have been exhausted by sanctions, which would have allowed to avoid a really big, with serious global complications of the war, which is inevitable in the case of a direct strike against Iran. All this would also seriously weaken the position of Iranian President Ahmadinejad on the eve of the elections to be held in Iran for the post in mid-June 2013. It is assumed that the reproaches addressed to Ahmadinejad in foreign policy failures, coupled with the effect of sanctions, can create favorable conditions for projecting accumulated experience. Arab Spring "on Iranian soil. Given the fact that before that it will be necessary to ensure the consolidation of power in Syria in the “right hands”, there is every reason to assume that a large-scale operation against it will begin no later than March.

This term is also supported by the fact that approximately the middle of March, since the autumn of last year, the largest history in the territory of Israel, joint US-Israeli military exercises (from the US side, up to 20 thousand troops would have to take part in them). An approximate picture of future operations is presented to experts as follows. The 20-thousandth American group under the pretext of controlling chemical and biological weapons, as well as the need to end al-Qaeda, can move in the direction of Damascus. A direct breakthrough from the Golan Heights to Syria is hardly possible, since there are vast minefields there. Therefore, most likely, the Americans from Israel will invade Syria through the territory of Jordan.

The main Israeli forces, which for political reasons are unlikely to openly enter Syria, will probably be assigned the task of neutralizing the Damascus ally, Hezbollah in Lebanon. At the same time, driven by the spirit of revenge for the failures of 2006, the IDF may try to completely destroy Hezbollah’s combat potential, which will inevitably lead to significant destruction and civilian casualties.

The experience of Libya, and now Syria, says that two components will be actively used: air-missile and special forces. At the same time, the latter will apparently be involved on a much larger scale than in Libya, where the British CAC mostly performed the solo. Now, in addition to him, as reported by DEBKA, there are both American “fur seals”, and elite “pseudo-Arabs” (“Mystaravim” - the best of Israeli special forces), and brave lads from Poland and the Czech Republic in the conflict zone ( Carries there?) The task of these units is under the pretext of protecting chemical and bacteriological weapons warehouses from falling into the hands of terrorists or their use by the Syrian authorities against the “population” to ensure corridors for the passage of friendly opposition forces. At the same time, Islamist detachments will be cut off and destroyed so that the Libyan option does not recur.

So roughly looks like the action plan of the “anti-Assad coalition”, if we summarize the many existing plans and statements. All that is missing is an assessment of the consequences of the upcoming adventure for the civilian population of Syria and regional stability. Meanwhile, there is every reason to assume that as a result, the chaos in the region will become even wider, and the disasters of people will be worse, a new long-term focus of ethnic and confessional tension will arise. And it is unlikely to be limited to the borders of Syria alone.

Therefore, the presence in the region is quite appropriate and sobering. flotilla Russian warships carrying on board including marines ... The Sunday Times, which writes about this, quotes a Russian diplomatic source: “Russia must be ready for any scenario.” The Lebanese pro-Syrian newspaper Ad-Diyar, apparently even having exaggerated, hastened to report that an armada of 71 Russian warships, on board of which there are 62 thousand military personnel, was reaching the Syrian coast.

Information agencies, quoting unnamed sources in the Russian Navy, note that the fleet leadership wants the ships to be close to Syria’s coast in case it is needed anyway. It is reported that the time of their stay in Syria will depend on the situation.

(1) http://mignews.ru/news/politic/world
(2) http://www.debka.com
(3) http://www.zman.com/news/2012/12/10/140670.html
(4) http://mignews.ru/news/society/world/090113_93553_98126.html
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  1. esaul
    esaul 11 January 2013 07: 01
    +26
    The fact that a military-political boil is ripening in Syria, which sooner or later will be opened "surgically" - a fact that is becoming less and less doubtful. If you follow the entire palette of foreign news releases a little more closely, you are surprised to see that for Syria there is a little place left in them. And this is alarming. But, a quicker outcome is better than constant painful suppuration.
    Confirmation that something is being prepared is also the sending mentioned in the article the other day of our BDK with special forces on board. This is very similar to the info that in Syria over the past few weeks there have been nighttime clashes between the NATO special forces and the Syrian Army to capture key points for the preparation and further support of the invasion operation.
    So at this stage, already really our specialists come into confrontation with NATO.
    And this is another confirmation that Russia is not going to merge Syria. God forbid, our specialist in a good deed is to knock out the teeth to the natam. Amen.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 January 2013 07: 17
      +17
      As they did not try to convince me and those present that Israel was neutral in this matter, I, like all prudent visitors, did not believe it.
      I would like to listen to the Professor with Karish on this topic, can they now claim that Israel does not support those who arm the terrorists? Moreover, there is visible explicit support for terrorists and the provision of assistance to them.

      Assuming that US and NATO special forces clash in Syria with ours, there’s not much that will leak into the Western press. How many of them were killed in Georgia in 2008, the Pentagon didn’t cry too much. The US and Israel advised to think carefully about the consequences of the bombing, one bomb in Russian citizens and the consequences may be something like this hi
      1. sergo0000
        sergo0000 11 January 2013 07: 53
        +12
        Alexander Romanov,
        Greetings, Sasha! To people like Karish and Professor to believe, do not respect yourself!
        A thoroughly thought-out Israeli government will dig a hole in this confrontation. Fuck them and not Assad. Syria will stand, but I feel this victory will come to them very hard.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 January 2013 08: 20
          +5
          Quote: sergo0000
          ! To people like Karish and Professor-believe-do not respect yourself!

          Great Sergey! Yes, I just like their answers and the translation of arrows on other topics when they catch in words.
          1. rolik
            rolik 11 January 2013 10: 54
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            arrow translation

            Only a Jew answers the question to the question asked. hi laughing
            1. alexng
              alexng 11 January 2013 12: 48
              +4
              What is information warfare? This is just a rearrangement of letters.
              Do not believe me?
              Here's an example:
              Source text - "Happy New Year from the Snow Maiden".
              In the Western media it will look something like this -
              "GavHo With smoke from the fire"
              1. crazyrom
                crazyrom 12 January 2013 00: 26
                0
                What do you think, American mercenaries (who are constantly killing themselves) will go to war against the Syrian army, well trained in the last 2 years? Land operation? Ohhh, I doubt it. Then there is our C-300 dofig, not to mention the ships and the landing.
        2. alexng
          alexng 11 January 2013 08: 25
          +7
          I think that this adventure will mean the final loss of Western dominance in the World. There are direct interests of Russia here and this war will be equated as a war against Russia, and this is a different story and a different scenario has been made, not provided for by the USA and NATO ..
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 11 January 2013 13: 14
            -1
            Quote: alexneg
            another scenario, not provided for by the US and NATO, has been committed.

            Everything is according to the "master plan", followed by the need to take control over the uncontrolled arsenals of the Russian Federation.
            1. buga1979
              buga1979 12 January 2013 10: 41
              0
              well it's a navel
          2. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 11 January 2013 20: 19
            0
            Quote: alexneg
            I think that this adventure will mean the final loss of Western dominance in the World. There are direct interests of Russia here and this war will be equated as a war against Russia, and this is a different story and a different scenario has been made, not provided for by the USA and NATO ..

            No need to escalate. All the same, this is Syria, and not even Iran. All the same, the scale of the events does not go beyond the Middle East.
            1. alexng
              alexng 12 January 2013 12: 22
              0
              No, this is a red line for which it is no longer possible to cross. Uses are considering workarounds after they have been given an ultimatum about no-fly zones and ground operations, and their point is not iron.
        3. aksakal
          aksakal 11 January 2013 08: 56
          +7
          Quote: sergo0000
          Greetings, Sasha! To such people as Karish and Professor believe-do not respect yourself! Through a well-thought-out Israeli government digs a hole for itself in this confrontation. Fuck them and not Assad. Syria will stand, but I feel this victory will come to them very hard.

          - Greetings! Yesterday Ascetic, on a branch with Syria, already made a hit on the Professor in connection with his long and, alas, deceitful tongue. I supported Ascetic. The reason for the hit - The professor screamed a couple of months ago that Israel adheres to neutrality in relation to Assad and the Syrian conflict, yesterday we asked him about this topic, the professor accused us of spreading "rumors". This is about what was written in the HAARETZ newspaper. Today already With reference to Western intelligence sources, the Israeli analytical center DEBKA reported that “on the eve of the joint American-Israeli operation in Syria to protect (?) The Golan Heights,” IDF representatives (the Israeli army) and “Syrian rebel commanders” held secret talks in Jordan. (2) In fact, as the site close to the Israeli military circles reports, "night battles" are already unfolding in Syria between its troops, on the one hand, and opposition forces, as well as special forces of the United States, Israel and Jordan, on the other hand, "Observation posts" in the border sectors. From these points, marking of all significant military and civilian objects is carried out for the possible future conduct of large-scale hostilities. - now the Professor will also shout that DEBKA is spreading "rumors", and Israel's neutrality was as it was.
          Professor, you are generally on the verge of full RESET on this resource. In any case, I will perceive any of your opinions as extremely false and subject to immediate treading. But for now, I will refrain from this. Before the first attack of Israeli aircraft on Syria under any pretext. Any pretext in this case will be deliberately far-fetched - whether it be chemical weapons under reliable protection, by the way, or the mythical uranium in Dar-er-Zorre. The reason for such a ZERO threat is you yourself. Your tongue.
          1. OSTAP BENDER
            OSTAP BENDER 11 January 2013 14: 20
            0
            Quote: aksakal
            Professor, you are generally on the verge of full RESET on this resource. In any case, I will perceive any of your opinions as extremely false and subject to immediate treading. But for now, I will refrain from this. Before the first attack of Israeli aircraft on Syria under any pretext. Any pretext in this case will be deliberately far-fetched - whether it be chemical weapons under reliable protection, by the way, or the mythical uranium in Dar-er-Zorre. The reason for such a ZERO threat is you yourself. Your tongue.

            Support!
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 11 January 2013 15: 34
            +4
            aksakal,

            Former Israeli Minister spoke on Israeli foreign policy methods. Shulamit Aloni - former Minister of Education (1992-1993) and former Minister of Culture, Science and Communications (1993-1996) of Israel, reveals that Israel applies a worldwide policy of accusations of anti-Semitism for all who criticize government actions in any way Of Israel. Critics from Europe, the former minister says, are immediately accused of wanting to revive the Holocaust, and critics from the US and other non-European countries are labeled anti-Semitism. This policy of Israel, says Aloni, allows him pursue with impunity any policy at will, including its policy in Palestine.

        4. nycsson
          nycsson 11 January 2013 16: 20
          0
          Quote: sergo0000
          Syria will stand, but I feel this victory will come to them very hard.

          Difficult to predict! The situation is simply unpredictable!
          1. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 11 January 2013 20: 41
            +1
            Quote: nycsson
            Difficult to predict! The situation is simply unpredictable!

            Why is it difficult? It is necessary to rely on real events and on the dynamics of processes. Just the dynamics indicate that the situation is resolving, moreover in favor of Assad and Syria as a whole.
            Of course, we can assume that the aggressor countries will make a new attempt, but will they have the strength to do this? The most important thing is that they lost the information war and they will not be able to restore their image. Militarily, a complete defeat in general, maybe it will be possible to collect new hordes of geeks, but there will not be many professionals. And the mercenaries are no longer so eager to climb there, all the same, this is a meat grinder for them.
            The situation is the same in the ideological and political aspect. There are no more defectors and traitors, society itself has differentiated and most of it supports the president. The power itself is no longer torn by half measures, but acts in an organized and tough manner, not looking back at the heralds of "humanism", having understood what their words and promises are worth.
            The most difficult situation, as was already seen two months ago on the economic front. However, here the situation is normalizing. Iran waited a long time, but last month made its bet on Syria and Assad. Russia also did not stand aside. So Syria is not threatened with hunger and default. At the same time, Turkey itself already incurs huge expenses only for the maintenance of refugees.
            So the dynamics indicate that the situation will soon be resolved in favor of Assad, although I do not exclude the possibility that a second act will follow, but it’s not a fact that in Syria.
        5. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 11 January 2013 20: 14
          0
          Quote: sergo0000
          Greetings, Sasha! To such people as Karish and Professor believe-do not respect yourself! Through a well-thought-out Israeli government digs a hole for itself in this confrontation. Fuck them and not Assad. Syria will stand, but I feel this victory will come to them very hard.

          Do you really think that Israel has ever been interested in the destruction of Syria, especially after the triumph of the Islamists in neighboring states? Even the same Hamas sold itself to Qatar and broke with Syria. It is clear that the Jew harbored a grudge against Hezbola, but this is a trifle considering what awaits Israel in the event of a fall in the relatively neutral Allawites in Syria.
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 11 January 2013 09: 42
        +9
        Alexander Romanov
        You know, sir, everything in this world can be and I will not undertake to renounce, but some moments in the article, as an Israeli, were cut with inconsistencies. Well, for example: "Mistaraavim" is a special police force and, in principle, unlike "Sayret MatKal" or "Shayetet 13", it does not know how to work, which is called behind enemy lines. International aerial exercises were planned a year ago, it has been written about it many times. One more thing. January 22 elections in Israel. After that, it will take up to a month to form a coalition, and then, well, 2-3 months to swing a government consisting of several, often extremely negatively related to each other, parties, so that Israel's intervention in the next six months is simply extremely unlikely. The fact that we have a bunch of economic problems, a very serious crisis with the Palestinians, I’m not talking for many, this is not an argument. This is my personal point of view on this article, as an ordinary Israeli.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 11 January 2013 10: 24
          +5
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          You know mr. Everything in this world can be
          - Your opinion is accepted. To some extent, interference
          really unlikely, and for the reasons you indicated, and to fight the Syrians, who have already become skilled in two years of fighting, and yesterday we saw a Syrian professional tanker, he was highly appreciated by local professionals, I believe them, the Jews will be out of hand, no matter how much they that did not swagger. Therefore, the Israelis will have to be very strongly motivated to intervene. Otherwise, Netanaiyahu will make a couple of harsh anti-Assad statements, then joke with the Jordanian king, after which he will tell Uncle Sam - “Yes, I tried here against Assad, but the Jordanians here do not let you fly! In general, it doesn’t happen!” In short, sabotage and excuses! Aaron, you cannot engage in sabotage and excuses! You or straight: "Sam, go on ....!" (this is a good option) or bomb at his request (this is a bad option). And so - well, it looks like something ... Does not command respect ...
          1. rolik
            rolik 11 January 2013 10: 59
            +1
            Quote: aksakal
            aksakal

            Corrected you rating. It’s not correct to minus (I don’t know who minus you slammed) for the person's statement of his position. Frank lies, disinformation, unreasonable and unreasonable hitting - yes, minus. Everything else is controversy.
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 11 January 2013 12: 19
              -1
              Quote: rolik
              Corrected you rating. It’s not correct to minus (I don’t know who minus you slammed) for the person's statement of his position. Frank lies, disinformation, unreasonable and unreasonable hitting - yes, minus. Everything else is controversy.

              - thank.
              Although I have here not so much my opinion as a statement of logical consequences. That is, the facts of harsh and unfair rhetoric regarding Assad by the Israeli authorities. There are publications from serious agencies about the facts of preparation for striking, but there are no strikes themselves, incl. and for reasons from Jordan. What follows logically? Either they are preparing, but have not yet prepared, or they are not going to beat, but they imitate intense activity, in other words, sabotage and excuses. Is it logical? Then Aaron gives another reason, after which there is only one logical conclusion - sabotage and excuses. Is it logical? This is what I posted, so this is not so much my opinion as a statement of the conclusions that logically flow from the current picture. Which, by the way, may be incomplete. According to the professor, I answered below to Aaron.
          2. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 11 January 2013 11: 44
            +7
            aksakal
            Israel is very dependent on the US vote in the UN Security Council. But if you look at the opinions of Israeli politicians and the majority of the media in relation to Syria, then, with the exception of local liberals, there will be a "plague on both your houses, so that our boys do not have to pay in blood for the internal Syrian showdown."
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 11 January 2013 12: 10
              +4
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Israel is very dependent on the US vote in the UN Security Council. But if you look at the opinions of Israeli politicians and the majority of the media in relation to Syria, then, with the exception of local liberals, there will be a "plague on both your houses, so that our boys do not have to pay in blood for the internal Syrian showdown."

              - A plus!!!!!! The opinion of her husband, but not a boy! As a matter of fact, even if you are mistaken in this opinion, I still respect it, because THIS IS YOUR PERSONAL OPINION. And you have the right to make a mistake.
              According to the professor, it was precisely because of this sharp reluctance - from the very beginning he positioned himself as "the herald of the Israeli official policy" and posted on the basis of this attitude, sometimes switching to an openly mentoring and instructive, and sometimes even categorical tone. From these positions, I did not recognize, for example, such a fact "
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              Israel very dependent on US vote in UN Security Council


              they say, we ourselves with a mustache and the States are no one to us. And stuff like that. Yesterday we (Ascetic and I) already pointed out the discrepancies between what he "disclosed" and the results of the "real politician" of the Israeli authorities. And he began to dodge pathetically. Instead of admitting that he actually published his opinion, he did not sign for Netanyahu's actions in the future, and this opinion turned out to be erroneous. Admitting a mistake turned out to be an overwhelming task for him. Everyone has mistakes. And mine. And in the near future I will pay for my mistakes with chocolates. There is nothing wrong with that. You may be wrong. But this is your opinion. Here's how I could tell you the difference, why there is still more respect for you than for the Professor.
        2. Botanologist
          Botanologist 11 January 2013 14: 56
          +1
          "Mistaraavim" is the special forces of the police and, in principle, unlike the "Sayret MatKal" or "Shayetet 13", it does not know how to work, which is called behind enemy lines.

          Yes, he does not need to work in the rear. It will cover the corridors - and all business.
          Excuse does not roll.

          it will take up to a month to form a coalition, and then about 2-3 to the buildup of a government consisting of several parties that are often extremely negatively related to each other

          If military plans are approved, the government can at least swing, even fall - the troops will go.
          On the contrary, war will spur everyone to unite.

          So I personally consider the pulling in of Israel tactically advantageous for the USA and probable.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 11 January 2013 15: 20
            0
            Quote: Botanologist
            So I personally consider the pulling in of Israel tactically advantageous for the USA and probable.

            once participated in the filming of a video - Timur Bekmambetov filmed for a Kazakh violinist "a la Vanessa May", there we pitched two handsome Alabaevs, black and white, according to the allegory of the forces of good and evil. And they did not want to play off for an hour. You sit vrhom on one alabai, your partner - on the second, so as not to go anywhere, put nose to nose and "bite it, bite it!" And they don't want to! They will snarl at each other, snap their fangs and again look in different directions. We suffered for an hour. But you know, it worked. And it would have turned out all the same - those Alabays had nowhere to simply go. Timur received good shots - Alabai, unlike pit bulls, fight beautifully, dynamically. Fangs strikes in a jump, in a turn, in a crank and so on. Not exactly pit bulls - they grab and chew their prey.
            Here I look and think - is this the situation here? And will not the same result be?
      3. rolik
        rolik 11 January 2013 10: 53
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        the consequences could be something like

        Such, I hope, will not be the consequences. But Jews will let Yushka be healthy. To fight with our landing, this is not to masturbate with the Arabs.
        1. Arkan
          Arkan 11 January 2013 12: 03
          +3
          Quote: rolik
          Such, I hope, will not be the consequences.

          And I hope that the consequences will be exactly the same. It will be extremely difficult for Russian troops to wage a protracted war (in cities and mountains it will be a protracted one) far from their territory, having “behind their backs” the not calm Caucasus, and unresolved problems with Azerbaijan will be extremely difficult for Russian troops. It is much easier (and cheaper in all respects) to donate several warheads to Iran ... And, of course, to deny such a surprise (following the example of Israel), they say, there was no lie, give a link ... laughing
          1. rolik
            rolik 11 January 2013 12: 19
            0
            Quote: Arkan
            And I hope that the consequences will be just that.

            Do you have children?
            1. Arkan
              Arkan 11 January 2013 12: 42
              +2
              Quote: rolik
              Do you have children?

              There is. If you are talking about "humanism" - war is war, and those who kindle it should think about the consequences. The West has long been using the UN in its own interests, Israel has always spit on this organization ... and set an example for its neighbors ..., but it was she who provided stability in the world for the last half century. Let them think about their children before bombing someone.
              1. rolik
                rolik 11 January 2013 13: 23
                0
                Quote: Arkan
                There is

                Nuclear weapons containment and last chance. In Syria will not reach nuclear strikes. Iran has no nuclear weapons yet, Israel will not decide to use it, only in the case of a full kirdyk.
                But I really do not want such a beautiful mushroom growing next to my child.
                1. Arkan
                  Arkan 11 January 2013 13: 52
                  +1
                  Quote: rolik
                  Nuclear weapons containment and last chance

                  Here let it restrain, on distant approaches.
                  Quote: rolik
                  Iran has no nuclear weapons yet

                  Well, sell it to them.
                  Quote: rolik
                  Israel will not decide to apply it, only in the case of a full kirdyk

                  Israel does not yet have submarines with nuclear weapons, therefore, Israel cannot retaliate "retaliation." Israel (with its territory and population) is very vulnerable to a first nuclear attack, and in the event of an Iranian attack, it will simply "go out of the game" forever Israel can use its nuclear weapons either first or never.
                  Quote: rolik
                  And I really do not want such a beautiful mushroom growing next to my child

                  I don’t want to either, but unfortunately, not all people in the world are so scrupulous in this matter.
                  1. rolik
                    rolik 11 January 2013 15: 17
                    0
                    Quote: Arkan
                    Well, sell it to them.

                    Actually, you are going to sell nuclear weapons. This is very surprising, because Ukraine is not a nuclear power. That is, you advise to sell it to us - Russia ??? Or maybe we will somehow manage without help of outside helpers and decide for ourselves. what to sell to us and what not to sell to us.
                    And Israel has other nuclear weapons delivery vehicles, such as aviation.
          2. OSTAP BENDER
            OSTAP BENDER 11 January 2013 14: 30
            +1
            Quote: Arkan
            It is much easier (and cheaper in all respects) to give Iran several warheads .... Well, of course, to deny such a surprise (following the example of the same Israel), they say - there was no lie, give a link

            ++++++++++++++ good
      4. Che
        Che 11 January 2013 12: 37
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Therefore, the presence in the region of a flotilla of Russian warships, on board of which there are marines, are quite appropriate and sobering.


        If the general people do not change their minds, Russia will have to get into this meat grinder. But smart how to do it. Punish proamers a holy cause. Carry out a lightning operation so as not to get bogged down in the swamp prepared for us by amers.
        1. Arkan
          Arkan 11 January 2013 12: 57
          +3
          Quote: Che
          To carry out lightning operation

          After the "reform" it will be problematic for the Russian Army.
          Quote: Che
          But smart how to do it

          So I say: give Iran a dozen warheads, and there will be no Qatar, there will be no Saudi Arabia (and take off problems in the Caucasus together), there will be no Israel (there will be less lies in the world, and there will be no competitors in the arms market). Prices they will take off for oil, and without Middle Eastern oil the West will not be able to wage a serious war (well, perhaps only in alliance with Russia or Venezuela laughing ), Russia will receive both time and money for rearmament ... good drinks Anyway, Russia will no longer have another chance to solve the problem with the wrong hands; after Syria and Iran, we or our children will have to fight.
          1. rolik
            rolik 11 January 2013 13: 26
            +1
            Quote: Arkan
            After the "reform" it will be problematic for the Russian Army.

            But it seems to me that such an operation is quite possible. Since in the compartments of the BDK there are paratroopers, and not just infantry. And for what are paratroopers needed ???
            1. Arkan
              Arkan 11 January 2013 13: 41
              +1
              Quote: rolik
              And for what are paratroopers needed ???

              As a former paratrooper, I can say - they are needed in order to "plug holes" laughing . But seriously, it’s one thing to help Syria in the fight against mercenaries, another is a direct clash with Israel and NATO on foreign territory (there will definitely not be enough forces of the Airborne Forces and special forces smile ), and I don’t think that the Russian leadership will send all the most combat-ready troops there without leaving anything in reserve (and there are other problems).
              1. rolik
                rolik 11 January 2013 15: 18
                0
                Quote: Arkan
                direct clash with Israel and NATO on foreign territory

                But for NATO and Israel, the territory of Syria and Iran is its own. Arrived called.
      5. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 11 January 2013 12: 39
        +5
        After two days of hostilities in the area of ​​the Taftanaz airfield in the Syrian province of Idleb, government troops on January 10 threw the Jabhat al-Nusra Islamist gangs back to the city of Taftanaz. The remnants of the bandit groups fled towards the city of Taftanaz, the troops pursued them up to the city blocks.

        The failure of another attempt by the militants to seize a strategically important military facility was indirectly confirmed by opposition sources. Unlike previous days, when their reports certainly indicated the success of the "rebels" in the area of ​​the airbase, on January 10 this area was completely ignored. Neither the Local Coordinating Committees (LCC), the Syrian Free Army (FSA), or opposition social media accounts have data on it.

        The Syrian agency SANA, citing the army command, reported that "the servicemen guarding the Taftanaz airfield in Idleb province fought back the terrorist group ... A large number of attackers were killed and wounded."

        Islamist militants once again attacked the Taftanaz airfield on January 2, 2013, but were driven back two days later. The second attempt took place on January 8th. The next day, according to the opposition, gangs broke into the location of the airbase and seized several buildings. Opposition "activists" predicted the "release" of the facility on the 10th, but on that day a powerful blow was dealt to the militants. With heavy losses, they were forced to retreat.
      6. Yarbay
        Yarbay 11 January 2013 14: 39
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        As they did not try to convince me and those present that Israel was neutral in this matter, I, like all prudent visitors, did not believe it.

        Hi Sanya!
        I also believe that Israel does not intervene in the conflict at this stage!
        It would be ridiculous if Israel would arm its sworn enemies!
        It is easier and much more logical for them to help Assad than bandits !!
        It's just that another question is stopping this from saying that Assad is an ally of Iran !!
        Take help from Israel Assad, then Iran will turn away and everything will collapse !!
        Plus, if it turns out that Israel is helping someone, then the country's leaders can forever forget about their political ambitions !!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 January 2013 14: 47
          +3
          Quote: Yarbay
          ape!
          It would be ridiculous if Israel would arm its sworn enemies!

          Hi, I already wrote to you in another topic about the capture of the base.
          Israel does not arm, but politically, as it is not strange supports.
          Quote: Yarbay
          It's just that another question is stopping this from saying that Assad is an ally of Iran !!

          Tochnyak, Syria is an obstacle to attack Iran. So they are trying to remove it at all costs.
          Quote: Yarbay
          Take help from Israel Assad,

          They are in a state of war with Israel, so there will be no Assad’s help from Israel. It strikes me differently, they will replace Assad with scumbags who do not hide that Israel’s next target.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 11 January 2013 15: 04
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Israel does not arm, but politically, as it is not strange supports.

            But how can one be a friend?
            Become an ally of Russia and China in this matter and lose powerful allies ??
            Honestly, I don’t feel political support when reading the media and the statement of Israeli politicians!
            I read about the database, thank you!
            Quote: Alexander Romanov

            Tochnyak, Syria is an obstacle to attack Iran. So they are trying to remove it at all costs
            Even if you don’t remove it, then bind your hands with an internal conflict !!
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Another thing strikes me, they will replace Assad with scumbags who do not hide that Israel’s next target

            I think there are two possible options and what will be preferred in Israel, that will be !!
            1. Lebanonization of the conflict, when everyone will be at war with everyone for many years!
            2. Separation of the country and the creation of buffer autonomy for example the Kurds, so that they deal with all kinds of trash !!
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 11 January 2013 15: 18
              +4
              Quote: Yarbay

              Honestly, I don’t feel political support when reading the media and the statement of Israeli politicians!

              I caught on with Karish and the professor a couple of days ago on this subject, and at the end I laid out the text of the UN representative’s speech to the UN. I thought at first that Obama was speaking. The same thing, Assad is a tyrant and a murderer of children and not a word condemning terrorism.
              Quote: Yarbay
              1. Lebanonization of the conflict, when everyone will be at war with everyone for many years!
              2. Separation of the country and the creation of buffer autonomy for example the Kurds, so that they deal with all kinds of trash !!

              Alibek, the trick is that in both the first and second cases of peace and predictability will not be there. If you could talk with Assad, then there are none.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 11 January 2013 16: 00
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I caught on with Karish and the professor a couple of days ago on this subject, and at the end I laid out the text of the UN representative’s speech to the UN. I thought at first that Obama was speaking. The same thing, Assad is a tyrant and a murderer of children and not a word condemning terrorism.

                For me, this is news !!!!!
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Alibek, the trick is that in both the first and second cases of peace and predictability will not be there. If you could talk with Assad, then there are none.

                That's for sure, but in both cases this gang of trash will be occupied by another, gaining and maintaining power !!
                For them, power is primary, not religion !!
                Well, Hamas came to power in Gaza, what did Israel do ???
                Where is their attack on Israel?
                cowardly sheep, rocking themselves, as Israel sets in motion its war machine, they ask * the world community * to stop the aggression, they have neither faith nor courage !!
                On the contrary, Israel has become calmer !!
      7. nycsson
        nycsson 11 January 2013 16: 17
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        As they did not try to convince me and those present that Israel was neutral in this matter, I, like all prudent visitors, did not believe it.

        All the troubles on our planet from them!
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        , one bomb in Russian citizens and the consequences could be something like

        If there is a confrontation between ours and NATO, then it will be held on the principle of Vietnam and Afghanistan, without direct confrontation! hi
    2. aktanir
      aktanir 11 January 2013 08: 24
      +8
      It’s only a pity that this is happening right now. There would be a delay of three or four years, when the Russian Armed Forces were better armed and provided with all necessary equipment. With new Kalash, communications, interaction, new ships, equipment, they would look much more convincing.
      Look at the special forces of Israel, the United States and their Arabian puppets. Their soldier is crammed with everything that is possible in order to be more effective. Ours, I think, will again have to take the enemy with an invincible spirit, dexterity and competent tactical actions. Naturally, if the mess still begins.
      1. NSG42
        NSG42 11 January 2013 09: 33
        +3
        aktanir,
        Nothing, our specialists will develop them, strip them and take away all the electronics.
      2. rolik
        rolik 11 January 2013 11: 02
        +1
        Quote: aktanir
        Their soldier is crammed with everything

        Well, we guys are also done on the finger. And then, no one canceled Suvorov’s words:
        - they fight not by numbers, but by skill.
        In Georgia, too, a lot of things were hung on their soldiers, but running in the direction of the house was a hindrance.
    3. Deniska999
      Deniska999 11 January 2013 10: 30
      +1
      Syria cannot be missed now, especially since there is our only Mediterranean base that cannot be missed.
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 11 January 2013 12: 30
      +5
      Interview with the Syrian BMP driver Vasily Pavlova


      Interview with Syrian gunner BMP Marat Musin
    5. Ascetic
      Ascetic 11 January 2013 15: 23
      +4
      Quote: esaul
      So at this stage, already really our specialists come into confrontation with NATO.
      And this is another confirmation that Russia is not going to merge Syria. God forbid, our specialist in a good deed is to knock out the teeth to the natam. Amen.


      Interview with a Russian instructor of the Syrian special forces
      I graduated from the Novosibirsk General Command Military School. Specialization - special intelligence. After graduation - Afghanistan, he wrote a report. Then Tajikistan, Abkhazia, two Chechnya. I have the highest state awards.

      After entering the reserve, he settled in one of the MIC structures. I went here as a representative. Then they offered the work of an instructor of special units. Agreed Moved family.

      - What is the combat potential of the Syrian army?

      - Laxity is strong. In reality, only specialists are fighting. Combat units consist of Alawites and Christians. Last a lot. These guys are learning, easy to navigate the terrain, working with the most modern intelligence complexes. You can only dream of some in the Russian army.

      - You say trained, but why so long can not clear Aleppo?

      - I personally sent to the top of the cipher about the concentration of militants in the city two years ago. No reaction followed. During this time, the militants managed to equip a good fortified area. The whole city is shrouded in a network of tunnels. From one house you can go to another to the next street. The same situation was in Grozny in 1995 year. And I decided to prepare special units for work in the city. The decision was approved by President Assad himself. Three months of training in the suburbs of Damascus. In late September, began to work. The situation has changed in our direction.

      ... The shelling of fortified fire points fell away, these points suppressed our specialists. Civilians remained there, and firing on squares was prohibited. It was possible to raze the city to the ground, but on the advice of the commanders it was decided to work precisely. Because of this, the speed of attacking orders decreases.

      - You are faced with mercenaries ...
      - Education of the rebels to work in the city are pro. Just the other day we suppressed a position in one of the areas of Aleppo. There, militants were killed at the headquarters, including those of European appearance. And in the safe - documents of citizens of Russia, Ukraine and Central Asia. Across Russia - passports issued in the Nozhai-Yurt district of Chechnya, in Malgobek of Ingushetia, even in Vladikavkaz and Tskhinvali. All copies are sent to our consulate.

      - Opposition can win?

      - Purely by military means - no. Now, including with the help of our instructors, the Syrian army is gaining experience. And the supply of Russian air defense systems will help close the country's skies.

      - Met in a battle with former colleagues?

      - When there was a special operation in Damascus, we covered the gang. They took the house, found the documents of those killed. Lots of Turkish passports. Also an ID card officer. The murdered fighter was a colonel in the Ukrainian army. I remember him, he served in my platoon in school. Also, the captain was born from Tatarstan. His military specialty is a sniper.
      My webpage
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 11 January 2013 15: 23
        +5
        Russia has dispatched an elite special forces unit (Spetsnaz) to Syria to conduct counter-terrorist operations against al-Qaeda and other Islamic terrorists, including against Libyans, who, in violation of international law, have been funded, armed, and secretly trained by the United States and NATO to infiltrate Syria and destabilize the regime (see article: US helping to train and arm Islamic mercenaries to fight in Syria - US helps arm and train Islamic mercenaries to fight in Syria).
        My webpage
        Iran recognized sending special forces to Syria
        My webpage

        For example, Kommersant learned that the events in Syria forced Russia to accelerate the creation of a round-the-clock situation-crisis center of the Foreign Ministry, one of the key tasks of which will be to help Russians abroad. At the same time, the Russian law enforcement agencies do not rule out that in the event of exacerbation of diplomats will have to be evacuated with the help of special forces.
        As soon as the order is received, we will immediately send a GRU special forces detachment to Syria, "a source in the General Staff told the newspaper. According to the newspaper, about a hundred soldiers of the Zaslon detachment of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service may be involved in the operation.

        My webpage
    6. nycsson
      nycsson 11 January 2013 16: 14
      0
      Quote: esaul
      So at this stage, already really our specialists come into confrontation with NATO.

      I would not say that! Wait and see!
    7. Gluxar_
      Gluxar_ 11 January 2013 20: 12
      +1
      The article is a minus, since this is a collection from the most "sedimentation tanks". A futile attempt to revive the theme of Syria. The key battle for Syria was the operations that began in August 2012. The battle for Syria ended in November, when all attempts by terrorists to conquer at least something failed, and the militants themselves suffered heavy losses.
      All the recent rearrangements in the US administration, as well as the withdrawal of the Syrian topic from the front pages of the European media just confirm that the information aggression against Syria is abating. Public opinion in both the USA and the EU rejects the idea of ​​their countries intervening in this conflict, especially on the side of the bloodthirsty geeks who launched terrorist attacks in Europe and the United States several years ago. The media attempt to reverse such sentiment failed.
      This is understood both in the West, so in Russia and in Syria itself. That is why Assad paused for two months after a key battle, before taking action. The recent statement by the President of Syria is a key point in ending the war. A tough stance of the country's leadership regarding aggressors, both internal and external, was announced. I think now it’s the turn of the West and judging by the fact that no aggressive actions and statements have been made, most likely the West is adopting new rules of the game in the Middle East.
      Of course, there are forces that do not agree with this, but their capabilities are clearly not enough for any decisive action. Moreover, they need to prepare for retaliatory action from Syria-Iran.
      As for Israel, it was between two fires and simply forced to react, including to Iran’s teachings. Such preparations are not related to Syria.
  2. Magadan
    Magadan 11 January 2013 07: 10
    +26
    Quote: esaul
    God forbid, our specialist in a good deed is to knock out teeth to the natam. Amen.

    God grant that we have enough political courage to use our specialists against NATO. Of course, there will be no guarantees of our victory, but at least we will do it with dignity.
    I foresee the cries of some - they say ride and die yourself. I will answer: everyone works for the good of the country at his post. And I would go if they would, if I would be a good judge. We have people who are specialists, and whom nobody will forcefully drive there. And their honor and praise and great respect from those who do not know how to fight like them, but at least in their souls and in prayers will be with them.
    1. esaul
      esaul 11 January 2013 07: 14
      +10
      GreetingsMagadan, hi
      Quote: Magadan
      Of course, there will be no guarantees of our victory, but at least we will do it with dignity.

      I agree - you need to look at the situation realistically and do not sprinkle ash on your head prematurely.
      But, something tells me that Russia will help Syria transfer the situation in its favor.
      1. Bubo
        Bubo 11 January 2013 08: 00
        +8
        God grant ...
        I’m only afraid that the next Korea and Vietnam wouldn’t work out ...

        PS: I have a grandfather a pilot, bombed amers in Korea, only this is a secret, such a big secret wink
        1. valokordin
          valokordin 11 January 2013 10: 50
          0
          In Korea, the Amers were not bombed, pilots were even forbidden to cross the demarcation line, only on their own territory and no further. Comrade Stalin, the kingdom of heaven to him, did not forgive self-will.
          Quote: Bubo
          PS: I have a grandfather, a pilot, bombed amers in Korea, it's just a secret, such a big secret wink
          1. Sandov
            Sandov 12 January 2013 18: 24
            0
            valokordin,
            During the air battle, the demarcation line was sometimes violated. Amers ass kicked then. No wonder they, as it were, mistakenly bombed our airfield.
    2. Vanek
      Vanek 11 January 2013 07: 45
      +2
      Quote: Magadan
      And I would go if I took


      I would go to astronauts - let them teach me.

      It seems that we are still ahead. I really don’t know why, but I think so.
      1. volcano
        volcano 11 January 2013 08: 01
        +6
        Quote: Vanek
        I think we are still ahead


        But this Colleague, to my deep regret, is absolutely true.
        We are still ahead. Unfortunately, the time will come. And enough for us.
        Someone younger in the ranks, some older in the partisans. The world is moving towards this.
        And perhaps Syria is precisely that point of no return, after which either Peace or the Great War.
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 11 January 2013 08: 04
          +7
          Quote: volkan
          Someone younger in the ranks, some older in the partisans.


          But the question is, today I have D.R. 29, where am I ?, in the ali system in the partisans?

          It's me, just, just knowing what to prepare for.

          Andrey, good afternoon.
          1. volcano
            volcano 11 January 2013 08: 15
            +2
            Quote: Vanek
            But the question is, today I have D.R. 29, where am I ?, in the ali system in the partisans?

            It's me, just, just knowing what to prepare for.


            I heartily congratulate you drinks

            And so ... of course in operation ... necessarily and without fail
            1. Vanek
              Vanek 11 January 2013 08: 41
              +1
              Quote: volkan
              I heartily congratulate you


              Thank you from the bottom of my heart drinks

              Quote: volkan
              And so ... of course in operation ... necessarily and without fail


              At least now I know where.
              1. Botanologist
                Botanologist 11 January 2013 15: 03
                +1
                Vaniek, happy birthday! drinks
          2. Alvin
            Alvin 11 January 2013 09: 01
            +5
            Congratulations drinks ! I also have a day today, only a little more came wink .
            1. Vanek
              Vanek 11 January 2013 09: 04
              +1
              [quote = Alvin] Congratulations to drinks!

              Mutually drinks
              1. bask
                bask 12 January 2013 01: 14
                +2
                Quote: Vanek




                Late to join. With happy Ivan. This is a gift from me. drinks
          3. maxbrov74
            maxbrov74 11 January 2013 12: 53
            0
            Patients and directors - in the penal battalion.
          4. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 11 January 2013 15: 07
            +3
            Quote: Vanek
            But the question is, today I have D.R. 29, where am I going ?,

            I did not notice koment, here is a jamb.
            Happy Birthday Ivan drinks All the best, but considering that you do not drink as a gift to you, THIS wink
            1. Vanek
              Vanek 11 January 2013 19: 39
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              IT


              Alexander, even in this there is alcohol. 1,2% if not mistaken. Nevertheless, this will not cancel my:

              - Thank!
          5. aksakal
            aksakal 11 January 2013 15: 37
            +1
            Quote: Vanek
            But the question is, today I have D.R. 29, where am I ?, in the ali system in the partisans?

            - while you drink champagne or something similar. You will have time there and there. laughing You won’t get anywhere. Happy Birthday
            1. Vanek
              Vanek 11 January 2013 19: 37
              +1
              Quote: aksakal
              while drink champagne or something similar thread


              I don’t drink alcohol at all. GENERALLY.

              Thank you all for congratulations. yes
        2. rolik
          rolik 11 January 2013 11: 05
          0
          Quote: volkan
          who are older in partisans.

          I think it will not reach the partisans. soldier
        3. Papakiko
          Papakiko 11 January 2013 14: 10
          0
          In this situation, it is extremely unclear why the state defense order is a measly 10% of GDP. It's time to "tail and mane" to drive! soldier
    3. aktanir
      aktanir 11 January 2013 08: 33
      +5
      Magadan, you are a big fat plus! If only there was enough political courage.
      I suggest one more scenario. While there is a war in Syria, agree with Assad to change the status of our port in Tartus. From the point of logistics to make it a full-fledged military base of the RF Armed Forces. Moreover, give it some local airport for the location of the Russian air forces on it. I am sure that Assad will willingly agree to this at the moment. And we, in this way, will provide a clearer presence there. You won’t have to hang around for several months at sea in the BDK. It’s better to let them be in the field barracks and normally prepare for possible extraordinary events.
      1. shoroh
        shoroh 12 January 2013 20: 25
        0
        it's time to do it. A full-fledged base in this region is the strategic interest of Russia.
    4. Retx
      Retx 11 January 2013 09: 47
      +3
      Spetsnaz was sent to Saratov, diplomats are already talking not about evacuation, but about the defense of Syria. That's it, the pink oblomingo bird has arrived.
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 11 January 2013 18: 00
        +1
        Quote: RETX
        Spetsnaz was sent to "Saratov", diplomats are already talking not about evacuation, but about the defense of Syria.

        As a military-diplomatic source told Interfax, the Saratov large landing craft on Monday took on board several units of military equipment and special forces, and on Wednesday crossed the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits, after which it entered the operational space in the Aegean Sea. On Friday, the ship is to meet with a detachment of warships of the Black Sea Fleet, performing combat missions in the Mediterranean Sea, and next week will call in Tartus.
        Another BDK went to Syria this week.
        http://warsonline.info/siriya/rossiya-otpravila-v-siriyskiy-tartus-esche-odin-de
        santniy-korabl-so-spetsnazom.html
    5. Vasily79
      Vasily79 11 January 2013 10: 41
      -5
      I do not agree for the words of the special forces our boys with their mothers fathers, etc. and neh .. they’re laying their heads there Assad himself ran into enough that we were already intercede at one time, he threw us off the defensive orders and licked the ass of geyneurope now, and now he’s washing himself with tears of his country. But from a geopolitical point of view, I don’t think that they want to get bogged down there, at least someone isn’t abreks in Afghanistan, you can rake the water there without our help.
      1. rolik
        rolik 11 January 2013 11: 08
        0
        Quote: Vasily79
        Assad himself ran into

        But now I clearly understood hu is hu.
      2. Syrdon
        Syrdon 11 January 2013 11: 32
        +5
        Unfortunately, we have to pay for the disgrace that Gorbi and Co. committed. It was they who began to pass all, in the 90s it continued. Now you have to gnaw back with a blood, I don’t want to, but I have to. although it’s Syria, but behind Moscow! That's how it is! Let’s surrender Assad today, tomorrow we will meet foster feeding at our borders.
    6. KamikadZzzE1959
      KamikadZzzE1959 11 January 2013 13: 43
      +4
      Magadan,
      There is still a good option. It is necessary for Putin to take off his shoes, one to run in .... (we will not point fingers), the second to demonstrate ISRAEL. and present the shoelaces to TURKEY AND WITH A. Well, bring to the attention of everyone and everything that KUZKIN'S MOTHER is better not to touch.
      Joking with jokes, but somehow it’s not good at heart
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 11 January 2013 18: 09
        +2
        Quote: KamikadZzzE1959
        Putin take off his shoes, one run in .... (

        Socks ... give socks to the French to smell ...
  3. bombowoz
    bombowoz 11 January 2013 07: 23
    +4
    All the same, they dragged us into the war,
    Quote: esaul
    God forbid, our specialist in a good deed is to knock out teeth to the natam. Amen.
  4. Bort radist
    Bort radist 11 January 2013 07: 30
    +3
    Quote: esaul
    Russia will help Syria transfer the situation in its favor.

    I join this opinion. Ours are significantly silent. The West from this pause is very nervous.
  5. fenix57
    fenix57 11 January 2013 07: 33
    +7
    .Magadan,
    Hello to you all. In any case, Russia will not leave Syria, and our specialists are the best in this moonlit world. hi
  6. gansik
    gansik 11 January 2013 07: 34
    -13
    Another Libyan scenario, Russia will help only by chatter, as always
    1. Vanek
      Vanek 11 January 2013 07: 38
      +3
      "HANSIK" is a little HANS, forgive me, how old are you ??
      1. Bubo
        Bubo 11 January 2013 08: 03
        +2
        Vanya, don’t judge Hansik, wait and see, although most likely we are already getting involved in the Syrian issue. And accordingly, Hansik is wrong, and yet only time will finally judge everyone ...
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 11 January 2013 15: 40
          +1
          Quote: Bubo
          Vanya, don’t judge Hansik, wait and see, although most likely we are already getting involved in the Syrian issue. And accordingly, Hansik is wrong, and yet only time will finally judge everyone ...

          - Vanek and Hansik somehow argued. laughing Vanka himself D.R. today. And only 29! Vanek, he is somewhere your peer.
          1. Vanek
            Vanek 11 January 2013 19: 44
            +2
            Quote: aksakal
            And only 29!


            The bottom line is:

            - How old are you?
            “Yeah, I'm only 18. And you?”
            - "JUST" belay belay No! YOU ARE ALREADY 18, but I AM TOTAL 60.

            Something like that. drinks
      2. gansik
        gansik 7 March 2013 12: 59
        0
        41st young yet!
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 January 2013 08: 22
      +4
      Quote: Hansik
      Another Libyan scenario, Russia will help only by chatter, as always

      And for two years now, for one we have been supplying anti-aircraft defense systems and anti-ship systems. Such a hello to NATO.
  7. zevs379
    zevs379 11 January 2013 07: 44
    +3
    We need to create a hotbed of tension somewhere in the zone of Europe - Kosovo is a good option. Or something else. Let them know that we are ready not only to defend ourselves but also attack if that. That is, we are adequately stockpiled.
    We must again float our submarine near New York.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 January 2013 07: 49
      +8
      Quote: zevs379
      It is necessary to create a source of tension somewhere in the zone of Europe - Kosovo is a good option

      Kosovo will hit primarily the Serbs. The best hearth is Paris and London, and this is where the people who want to die in the name of Allah are not measured.
      1. zevs379
        zevs379 11 January 2013 07: 56
        +2
        Sasha in Kosovo Serbs did not stay.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 January 2013 08: 07
          +3
          Quote: zevs379
          Sasha in Kosovo Serbs did not stay.

          Why isn’t it left? A year ago they applied for Russian citizenship in droves. Yes, and the main enemies of the Kosovo Albanians are Serbs. So Paris and London, the two main villains of modern Europe. hi
    2. rolik
      rolik 11 January 2013 11: 12
      +1
      Quote: zevs379
      Kosovo is a good option.

      Why Kosovo, let the Serbs rest. There are many other more interesting places. For example, the Basques in Spain, Ireland, in France - Corsica. There is where to apply the principle of divide and conquer.
  8. fenix57
    fenix57 11 January 2013 08: 07
    +2
    zevs379,
    An interesting thought: "A submarine near New York to emerge," eh, to bring it to life.
  9. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 11 January 2013 08: 11
    +2
    The Syrians, who have taken refuge in the Atmah camp in Idlib, complain that it is very difficult for them to find everything they need to winter. Now 12 of thousands of people live in the camp, who are hiding here from the horrors of the civil war that continues in the country. Refugees have to live without electricity, and they also have no running water. But the most pressing need now is to provide heat
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 January 2013 08: 27
      +2
      Quote: ayyildiz

      The Syrians, who have taken refuge in the Atmah camp in Idlib, complain that it is very difficult for them to find everything they need to winter. Now 12 of thousands of people live in the camp, who are hiding here from the horrors of the civil war that continues in the country. Refugees have to live without electricity, and they also have no running water. But the most pressing need now is to provide heat

      Why don’t you write to your Erdogan that you would stop supporting the terrorists and close the border for arms supplies to Syria? That he showed concern for the refugees, well, well.
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 11 January 2013 08: 43
        -8
        The number of Syrian citizens who fled to Turkey is growing every day. Currently, approximately 150 thousand Syrians have taken refuge in Turkey. There was a need to create additional places of residence for new flows of refugees due to the lack of space in existing tent and container camps. New camps are being created in the border zone.

        Within this framework, a new tent camp will be created in Adana, in which 13 of thousands of people can live.
        Syrian refugees in Turkey will be able to study for free at universities in the country and receive a scholarship, reports UN Radio. The Turkish government decided to provide refugees with the opportunity to study at seven universities in the country. Applicants who have passed the entrance exams will be able to start their studies in March.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 January 2013 12: 09
          +3
          Quote: ayyildiz
          The number of Syrian citizens who fled to Turkey is growing every day

          Due to the fact that Erdogan is arming terrorists and in droves helps them move to Syria. Therefore, do not la.
    2. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 11 January 2013 14: 27
      +1
      Quote: ayyildiz
      Refugees have to live without electricity, and they also have no running water. But the most pressing need now is to provide heat

      But as for the rest (weapons, ammunition, the latest means of communication)) --- the full order.
  10. evgenm55
    evgenm55 11 January 2013 08: 18
    0
    The special forces, even if they intervene, the result will be zero, are not too equal in strength. Let's put the guys. Another thing is to provide an unmanned zone over Syria with China and India - this will be an effect, but our rulers will not go for it. These are not iPhones and gyms advertise ...
    1. Syrdon
      Syrdon 11 January 2013 11: 38
      +2
      Our specialists have a wealth of experience working with just such "rebels" in urban conditions and in mountain-wooded areas. Of course it won't be easy, but SAS or Kitties are unlikely to be able to work at zero.
  11. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 11 January 2013 08: 30
    -8
    According to Turkish intelligence, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is holding his deputy Farouk al-Shar under house arrest. According to 1news.az with reference to the Hürriyet newspaper, during 2012, Ankara considered the current vice president of Syria Faruk al-Shar as a potential leader of this country in the event of the overthrow of the Assad regime. Despite the fact that formally Farouk al-Shara retains the status of vice-president of Syria, he is forbidden to leave his house. The December 2012 statement played a decisive role in the conclusion of the Syrian vice president. Farouk al-Shara stated in one of the reports for the international media: “Today, the opposition and the current government do not represent the Syrian people
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 January 2013 08: 38
      +5
      Quote: ayyildiz
      Ankara considered the current Syrian vice president Farouk al-Shar as a potential leader of this country in the event of the overthrow of the Assad regime.

      The Turkish regime asked the people of Syria whether he wants such a leader? Can we consider a suitable candidate for Turkey and return Constantinople to its rightful owner of Greece?
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 11 January 2013 08: 49
        -5
        Please explain how this will happen. hi

        And another question, with whom do you trade more with Greece or with Turkey?
        Do you really think that Russia doesn’t care about Turkey?
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 11 January 2013 10: 23
          +6
          ayyildiz "And another question with whom do you trade more with Greece or with Turkey?"
          There is such a concept "mysterious Russian soul" - no matter how funny it sounds. When you put the question this way, it means that you do not know and do not understand Russians at all. Understand - not everything is measured in money. Trading with you may not influence decision-making at all. Even a corrupt Russian official at the last moment can get emotional and change his mind. As Bismarck used to say, or as the phrase is attributed to him - "to all your tricks, Russia can respond with its unpredictable stupidity!" Here's what you need to think about.
        2. rolik
          rolik 11 January 2013 11: 20
          +1
          Quote: ayyildiz
          who do you trade with Greece or Turkey with

          Let's say the question is posed incorrectly. This is Turkey trading with us. With a willful decision, trade and tourism will be completely stopped. The first swallows are already there. I don’t remember, but the Moscow travel agency has already stopped selling permits to Turkey in solidarity with Syria. Yes, and the prices you have on vacation are something that has hurt so much, devices on our tourists. Now there are a lot of people, my friends, went to Tai to rest. it’s cheaper there and the people aren’t upset. I'm going to Sri Lanka in the spring. My wanted to entice me to Turkey, looked at the prices of permits to Turkey and immediately changed their minds about going. Yes, I didn’t really have a rest in this country before.
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 11 January 2013 12: 14
            +1
            “At present, there is mutual dependence in Turkish-Russian relations, although it may weaken in the coming decades,” said Professor William Hale, historian of Turkish foreign policy. “In the field of natural gas, Turkey depends on Russia, but for Russians it is also an extremely valuable buyer that cannot be abandoned.”

            Read more: http://www.inosmi.ru/asia/20121204/202959076.html#ixzz2HeWvflWb
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        3. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 January 2013 14: 50
          +1
          Quote: ayyildiz

          And another question, with whom do you trade more with Greece or with Turkey?

          The Greeks are with us of the same faith, but we do not sell faith !!!
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 11 January 2013 22: 18
            0
            Not all Russians share the same faith with the Greeks hi
      2. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 11 January 2013 22: 21
        +1
        If you are so confident in yourself, come and take it, the Turks will meet you with flags in their hands wink
    2. Che
      Che 11 January 2013 12: 46
      +2
      ayyildiz,
      Throwing information is not correct. Crap.
  12. fenix57
    fenix57 11 January 2013 08: 31
    +5
    .. ".. After two days of hostilities in the area of ​​the Taftanaz airfield in the Syrian province of Idleb, government troops drove the Jabhat al-Nusra Islamic group to the city of Taftanaz on January 10. The remnants of the bandit groups fled towards the city of Taftanaz, the troops pursued them all the way to city blocks. " warfiles.ru
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 11 January 2013 09: 15
      0
      Quote: fenix57
      troops pursued them down to city blocks

      And in the city that they didn’t come to avoid the victims, or are there only bandits in the city and the army cannot enter there? Can you explain?
      1. Retx
        Retx 11 January 2013 09: 41
        +3
        Everything needs to be planned, intelligence sent, etc. many Syrian guys have already died of such mistakes, in a hurry, now carefully.
  13. CCA
    CCA 11 January 2013 09: 20
    +4
    Quote: esaul
    But, a quicker outcome is better than constant painful suppuration.
    But this is just not right ... The task of Russia now is not to defeat the West’s confrontation with Syria, but to preserve the possibility of today's status quo as long as possible and show the West that the scenario for the further development of events that was painted without taking into account Russia's interests is no longer suitable and a radical review is required ...
    Quote: aktanir
    There would be a delay of three or four years, when the Russian Armed Forces were better armed and provided with all necessary equipment. With new Kalash, communications, interaction, new ships, equipment, they would look much more convincing.
    Well ... no one will give us such a delay ... And so we are holding back the situation in Syria for more than 22 months. But what is happening now, just determines the time that we have to solve the above-described task of rearmament of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ...

    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    The Turkish regime asked the people of Syria whether he wants such a leader? Can we consider a suitable candidate for Turkey and return Constantinople to its rightful owner of Greece?
    Judging by the course of events, in the near future it will be so ...
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 11 January 2013 09: 50
      +3
      Quote: KKA
      Judging by the course of events, in the near future it will be so ...

      - It will be as soon as Turkey, despite the fact that Putin is now talking very softly and very politely with Erdogan, will review the provisions of the Convent Mentre, and Amer ships with Aegis and aircraft carriers will be free to sail into the Black Sea. This state of affairs is unlikely to suit Russia, and it will end exactly the way you write. Moreover, not only Greece will get Constantinople, Kurdistan will also break off something. Georgians, if they give up Ossetia and NATO and other plans, can receive something from Turkey as compensation for the loss of Ossetian territories. The Armenians have plenty to pay for genocide in the past. In short, no sugar is waiting for Turkey.
      Turkey, think !!!!!! Think !!!! Think Ten Times !!!!
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 11 January 2013 10: 25
        -5
        aksakal, As I understand it, your personal hatred of the Turks, someone offended you from the Turks?
        If it comes to that, God forbid! Believe me, Kazakhstani soldiers will fight on the side of the Turks!
        1. Guun
          Guun 11 January 2013 10: 41
          +7
          Nazarbayev is not a suicide. Moreover, the National Security Committee of the Republic of Kazakhstan is connected with Moscow on bail, special weapons, even clothes Moscow donates to the National Security Committee of the Republic of Kazakhstan for free. I work in the National Security Committee.
        2. valokordin
          valokordin 11 January 2013 11: 00
          +7
          Quote: ayyildiz
          aksakal, As I understand it, you have a personal hatred of the Turks, someone offended you from the Turks?
          If it comes to that, God forbid! Believe me, Kazakhstani soldiers will fight on the side of the Turks!

          Kazakh soldiers will not fight for the Turks, but you will definitely. What did Assad annoy you with? nothing, the whole mess is that fighting against Assad you are fighting against Russia, definitely. And we must directly say who is against Assad, that is against Russia, which means that we must mobilize, drive compradors to the neck and recover.
          1. Guun
            Guun 11 January 2013 11: 04
            +2
            Quote: valokordin
            who is against Assad, is against Russia

            Iran must also be added if Iran is pulled in by plyusuyuschaya China.
        3. Waroc
          Waroc 11 January 2013 11: 35
          0
          Glyup, huh?
        4. aksakal
          aksakal 11 January 2013 12: 34
          +3
          Quote: ayyildiz
          aksakal, As I understand it, you have personal hatred of the Turks, who offended you from the Turks? If it comes to this, God forbid! Believe me, Kazakhstani soldiers will fight on the side of the Turks!
          - stupidity. In the ranks of the Turks there may be a maximum of individuals who go there of their own free will and in violation of Kazakhstan laws. Just mercenaries and fools at the call of the soul.
          The Turks do not side with me in any way. According to personal impressions, the Turks are ethnically closer, mentally - alas ... Infinitely far away. The years of the USSR were not in vain for us. He worked with the Turks. We don't like to knock on the sly. They just love it! Turks consider themselves superior to us. Is this not the reason for the bloody skirmishes in the past on the same Zhanaozen with Turkish employers? The recalcitrant Zhanaozen did not appear last year, he was lit up back in the 90s. There were Turkish subcontractors who set up a wild order. For local Kazakhs - 12 hour working day. And lunch in 40 minutes. For visiting Turkish workers - 8 hours with a half hour lunch. At the same time, salaries for the same job, well, for the work of the same pombour, varied significantly, of course, in favor of the Turks. Is this a manifestation of ethnic affinity? Guess three times, how did it all end? Considering that the Adayites live in Zhanaozen, historically - the fighting wing of the Kazakh people in the past (the so-called younger zhuz).
          With all this, a bunch of Russians live with us, and live well. And Lukoil is participating in our fields, something of the kind is not observed there. Do you feel the difference?
          And finally. What I posted is just a statement of political facts. The sharp movements from Russia towards Turkey are restrained by the Montreux Convention, that’s all. There will be no this Convention - everything will be different. This is just a statement. What does hatred for Turkey have to do with it? Moreover, I urge her to think and pursue a more competent policy out of purely friendly motives, because she is not the strongest player in this party, if not a pawn at all.
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 11 January 2013 22: 23
            +1
            The same Montreux convention helped Russia in 08.08.08,
  14. armorboy1
    armorboy1 11 January 2013 10: 36
    +4
    Comrade Warrant Officer, may it be a bang?
    Be sure to bang, the whole world in ruin .... but then ....
  15. engineer74
    engineer74 11 January 2013 11: 09
    +4
    It is urgent to agree with the Chinese to send a platoon of military advisers (~ 1,5mln.) smile
    If the info in the article is delivery-ready, then Putin will soon meet with the Chinese. Otherwise, the end of the UN, international law, etc. The 21st century will be the last century of civilization. what
  16. Stiletto
    Stiletto 11 January 2013 11: 29
    +5
    Quote: "David Albright referred to the fact that, judging by the photographs, the Syrians have built powerful fortifications around the secret facility in Marj Sultan near Damascus, from which" it can be concluded that there may be "something" that they are full of determination hide from the rebels. "

    - Calm down, NATO idiots, there is no oil there ... For you, at least.
    1. Retx
      Retx 11 January 2013 11: 36
      +1
      Just remembered
      1. tolan777
        tolan777 11 January 2013 12: 37
        +5
        Oil was found in Antarctica. Not long bloody penguin regime left to torment their people! wassat
  17. Byordovvv1
    Byordovvv1 11 January 2013 12: 05
    +7
    We urgently need to form a 5th column in the USA, England and France. Organize the Red Rose Revolution and establish our DEMOCRACY! To recognize the dollar as a bankrupt currency and introduce an international language of communication RUSSIAN!
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 11 January 2013 15: 14
      +2
      Quote: Byordovvv1
      Dollar recognize bankrupt currency

      Byordovvv1,this is my dream.
  18. tolan777
    tolan777 11 January 2013 12: 35
    +3
    It seems that the scenario of the capture of Syria is failing - without a direct invasion of NATO, Syria will stand and win.
    Israel’s position on the issue is interesting - its support for the terrorists is obvious. But it’s also obvious that
    1. He supports the Syrian terrorists with reluctance, as little as possible.
    2. It is evident that he was forced to this by his roof from the embittered countries of the Middle East - America.
    3. It can be seen that this support is carried out in such a way that Israel cannot be accused of direct assistance to terrorists, this is a serious argument that allows Israel to justify itself before the United States why they do not openly support Syrian terrorists, which is why there is no convincing material evidence of Israel's direct support for Syria , all evidence is circumstantial. And thanks for that - it's scary to think that the Jews would start directly supporting the SSA. However, not all Jews are as stupid as some of their representatives, and understand that if something happens, it will flare up in Syria. and it will spread to them - it seems, yesterday. in Tel Aviv, the car jerked off - it was written off as a "gang showdown". I personally pretended to believe smile
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 11 January 2013 14: 31
      +1
      Quote: tolan777
      1. He supports the Syrian terrorists with reluctance, as little as possible. It is evident that he was forced to this by his roof from the countries of the Middle East embittered by him - America. 2. It can be seen that this support is carried out in such a way that Israel cannot be accused of direct assistance to terrorists, this is a serious argument that allows Israel to make excuses to the United States,

      - The same conclusions were reached on this branch above. And Aaron spoke well on this subject. It is unlikely that Israel will support the aggression, although it is highly dependent on the States. Aaron admitted this, and there there is dependence not only through the UN, but economic dependence also takes place.
      Therefore, there will be sharp rhetoric, in fact - sabotage and beautiful excuses. I don’t know how much this will turn out for the Jews. But they are Jews, right? Therefore, it should work out. Therefore, Syria has a chance, even if Turkey fits in. Although Turkey is not eager.
      I think that just now an intensive analytical work is underway, how to quickly assassinate Assad, and that would not blaze, and Russia and Iran would not have time to intervene. Lightning fast, shorter. There will be no results of such work, they will not find a good version of the lightning fast assassination attack for Assad - the militants will very quickly disappear from Syria, and the Syrian army will finish off the rest.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 11 January 2013 16: 30
        0
        Quote: aksakal
        There will be no results of such work, they will not find a good version of the lightning fast assassination attack for Assad - very quickly the militants will disappear from Syria, and the rest will be finished off by the Syrian army.

        Militants will be in Syria as much as the West considers fit! The dough is not measured, as well as those who want to earn extra money with weapons in their hands!
        They are not made with a finger in the West! They have more than enough analysts! One thing I’m sure for all 100! Syria will finish, sooner or later! You can talk about the methods that they will use!
  19. djon3volta
    djon3volta 11 January 2013 14: 14
    +2
    In Syria can find the "Russian mercenaries"

    Military reported impending anti-Russian provocation
    Special services of states supporting the Syrian opposition are preparing a provocation in Syria with the participation of the Slavs in order to discredit Moscow. According to the plan, the "mercenaries" will be filmed a video where they will testify about involvement in the activities of Russian intelligence. This was reported to news agencies by representatives of the Russian military and diplomatic circles.
    "At present, representatives of structures interested in overthrowing the current Syrian regime are recruiting people of Slavic appearance - citizens of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, who will play the role of Russian" mercenaries "who allegedly fought on the side of Assad and are captured by fighters of the so-called Syrian Free Army." - the military-diplomatic source of the Interfax-AVN agency said. According to him, “men of Slavic appearance, aged 25 to 45, who have an idea of ​​military service, preferably familiar with air defense systems and know how to handle weapons, are in the greatest demand in the search for candidates.” "Agents of the Russian special services" will have to tell the cameras about their "recruitment and dispatch from Russia to Syria on warships."

    “The relevant stories are planned to be shot in Turkey or Jordan, where large-scale decorations of supposedly destroyed Syrian cities have long been built and are actively used for misinformation,” the source said. The purpose of the Western intelligence services, in his opinion, is "to accuse Russia of being directly involved in the conflict and depriving it of its role as mediator in the negotiation process, which will allow the interested countries of the West and the Middle East to create the necessary conditions for the overthrow of Bashar Assad."
    A source of Interfax also calls a recent Western media report that ships of the Russian fleet with weapons for the Syrian government on board, as well as with a group of Russian experts on the operation and maintenance of Russian-made air defense systems and GRU special forces, were sent to Syria. This was announced in late December by the British newspaper The Guardian.

    http://www.kommersant.ru/doc-rm/2102755